Hook (1991)

Hey, it's your old pal Slim and this is 70 millimeter of podcasts for film fans just like you with me as always is my close friend and artist Danny Haas hello and our close friend and movie insider Proto-lexus That was really good Video of Jim Cameron accepting the I know is your whole house Was the insane So I knew every episode is connected to a theme for that month and this time it's Foggest movies were the fog of nostalgia of my cloud our memories And now we want to see if that movie still holds up. So Danny's pick this week is hook from 1991 and you can use the chapters in your podcast after skip right to that discussion Right now there's a civil war in our discord as to whether or not this movie is any good Proto wrote in his review love spotlight and a little proud of you. Oh gosh, quote another foggest pick Another week of attempted child murder and quote just to reiterate again from our Zodiac episode we're against murder. Yeah, we're on that next Oh The hook episode is finally happening the arts already out Danny dropped the art early in our discord this week Had to gorgeous go off get it off my plate. Yeah, you had a busy week to cover Should we do a hook book? hashtag hook book cook hook book Not sure how that would sell necessarily I was gonna yet I was gonna say you were busy this week Did you watch anything this week? Nothing you watch nothing this week not one movie your letter box is like a tumble weed Yeah flying through I kind of felt Sometimes you just need a break take a week off. It's true recharge. Did you even watch like anything on YouTube or anything? TV yeah I I talked in the pre show I watched the very first episode of the wonderful world of Disney October 1954 what and You I just you know I have a thing for theme parks and I just wanted to watch a couple of these old episodes and And it's it was it was it's the Disneyland episode where they're announcing Disneyland waltz walking through his offices and Yeah, and you know the maps and this is what we're building and Talks about each thematic land and I was joking because He goes through like a frontier land and talks about like Davy Crockett and they show a clip from like the old Disney Davy Crockett episodes and Talks about tomorrow land. They talk about fantasy land. He's like fantasy land is It's a great storytellers like Uncle Remus and I watched like 15 minutes of song of the South and I was beside myself watching this I had never in my life seen this much song of the South because it's a it's a band movie and I wanted to throw up You know, they don't even have that on like Disney plus do they like those old episode not the movie but like that. Oh Episode that's you know, I don't I'm surprised they don't I mean yeah, I don't know because it goes from Walt to Eisner Eisner did the hosting for a wonderful world for a while after that I would enjoy it if they did but it's the thing is a lot of that programming was the movies so there's like 20,000 leagues would have been shown during the wonderful one Disney and stuff like that so it's a it's all over it that the stuff might already be on Disney plus as a movie form, but I wish they would just put up the stuff of like Walt having conversations about building the parks and There's some episodes like hosted by Donnie Osmond where they do like the you know behind the scenes of the haunted mansion and stuff like that So that kind of stuff I wish they'd put on Disney plus that's really more interesting date nights at Disneyland and Holidays at Disneyland from like the 60s. I would like to love to see that kind of stuff. Yeah Imagine like all the the like high-deaf footage they have they're just sitting on in archives That would be amazing just to like put out in some way shape or form. Yeah, I'm watching a 280p Black and white image Video that I've found. I Remember I think I've seen some of those clips. I just remember loving How Walt's office looked. I don't know. We're like those big big rooms that they like are reviewing Prince and stuff like that office looks awesome. Yeah, what imaginary those those rooms look amazing But his office is like preserved You can if you're lucky enough you can get a tour of it at Disney at some not the Disney But their offices in Burbank part of when are you going to Disney for the first time? I know. Have we settled this yet? God You know you doing the Crow the rooster In front entrance of Epcot or something me in the wax sculpture of Robin Williams as Peter banning I Was gonna ask because I knew that you didn't watch anything that was a trick question I looked at your letterbox I was gonna ask if we're if either three of us are excited for a soka to drop because I think it comes out what Tuesday Is it this week already Tuesday two episodes are dropping It's big big. I'm excited I'm gonna you know give it the the chance that it doesn't ours, right? Open arms. My rebels are in that open minds So we'll see I shudder every time I see a thumbnail This TV show that I'll have that I'll be forced to watch just for for new listeners. We're we're staunch rebels Clone Wars fans mega fans, you know mega super fans But I mean personally I would have loved another rebel season To continue this story, but I guess I just have to take what I can get. Yeah, you know, where's Ezra? Everyone's asking if anyone gets that joke that's listening you can get a free year of letterbox I Corrumbus. So what did you watch part of this week? Did you complete is the AFI journey you're on complete? Is it come but finally? No, no, no, I did watch a movie from that list I was you know, I wish this is a low movie watching week for me as well, but one of the reasons was Uh Jenna and I we got back on the righteous gemstones. Oh wow train my letter. Um, have you there of you watch season three? What was the is this or is this now season three? Yeah, it's season two. I know. I watch season two Season two was like kind of a dud in a man and I Were we passively checked out of that show after a season two? Yeah. Yeah, I agree I thought season two was a duck. I think I watched the whole thing and I I was disappointed From it. So when season three came out, I was like, I'm I'm not gonna watch it So Jenna as she started watching it. I think she watched the first Two or three episodes and then she asked me if I wanted to jump on so I said yeah, I sure I'll watch one with you And I Kind of was like really into it and then I watched the rest of the season. I watched like the final five episodes or whatever My god, yeah, we watched it this week and I had a great time. I thought it was kind of back to formula of season one So I'm back on the gemstone's train I can't believe I'm hearing it had some it had they you know They keep adding to the cast of the show Steve's on is in this this season does he get naked? Um, not yet Does he show his twig and biscuits like he didn't let us oh, man The the state of his biscuits Even just hang out I'm just saying I could see it in my mind's eyes But um, I think if I was up Can't breathe Perfect timing Yeah, but yeah, so I enjoyed jump the final season or the last season of gemstones They they got something cooking Once again, but I did watch one movie at least did I watch oh from the air five journey. I watched the wild bunch Which is a western From 1969 and this is a movie that I've you know, I've heard about a while for a while If you know, it's a I think it's of it as a classic western people you know, they talk about um hadn't seen it It's my first movie from the director Sam peckin pa oh, excuse me I didn't say that It stars William Holden and Ernest Borg9 And uh, I didn't really love it. Okay, and I'm I'm starting to reevaluate Maybe my relationship with westerns. Oh, you know, is it is it me if this is a classic western and I give it two stars Is it me is there something wrong have I have I you know how we all go through journeys in our what we like about movies and we can change our star ratings Has the western fallen out of grace with me in some way and I don't watch a ton of western so I feel like I'm not really sure Is it just this movie or is it westerns in general so I'm doing some soul searching after this this movie because I mean it has a 4.1 on letterbox people tend to like it But I just didn't really care for the directing the The story was just weird. There's a lot of like odd Plot points in this in terms of like the mode like the decisions the characters make it just struck me as pretty weird And it's long it's um it's almost two and a half hours long. So You know, it's a lot of cowboys Is this a take from Proto on westerns also going to be shared on a Twitter account Hashtag bad movie takes did you talk about that? Oh my god, we haven't talked about this on Twitter Folks are still using Twitter. There was a Twitter account. Frankie land August 13 hashtag bad movie takes Tom barringer is not Marlon Brando and the conflict between the soldiers was not working for me The sound editing was noticeably uneven and often broke the most pivotal moments And that's from Proto Lexus. So Proto getting called out from hashtag bad movie takes on Twitter That's for my platoon review. Yeah, my platoon review people didn't like it. I got called an effing bozo I love I think idea of you IDD's that word we're off to the great word bozo But it is great Well, you know, I thanked him for you know recognizing my my takes You know, it's it's it's not really if you have a good take or a bad take it's Well, it's important to have a good take or a bad take each one of them will be recognized in some way and you got to take the good with the bad Uh Yeah, so what a moment haha But of of the rest of your afi jerdy is there a movie that you're looking forward to Still, oh, yeah, well, I'm saving a few Okay, there's one that I'm saving for the end. Oh Yeah, I think my last one I'll watch is raging bull Which I might have to wait until we just do it on the show because we've talked about doing it on the show Maybe hide the rating at the very least Watch it or maybe I'll say to some movies for us Maybe I just won't watch it until we do it. I'll just I mean they have that they have that 4k They just released too on criteria. Oh, I've never seen region bully there. So I've been wanting to hopefully find a time for the pod as well Wow I will say one last thing about this twitter account call out Please hashtag bozo Spritz screenshot of your Halloween review as potential hashtag bad movie take so maybe that'll get spotlighted in the future on that twitter account Oh, you know, it was so funny about that is after after I was like looking up platoon again And I saw that platoon won an Oscar for sound editing and I was beside myself I was sure of like how terrible the editing is in this So I'm not sure what's going on over at the Oscars because it's definitely not me Speaking of Vietnam I started listening to based on Dale's recommendation on the the big picture pod Yes, they're doing like a narrative mini series called do we get to win this time? And it's about Hollywood and the Vietnam War and how they grappled with it and started making movies about it How actors responded to it. It's a great little mini series So highly recommended folks Give it a listen. It's the same producer that did the Cisco and Ebert Limited narrative series from last year that I really liked I probably mentioned it on the show, but it's pretty good so far There's a lot of movies. I meant to look to see if anyone made a letterbox list Of all the movies that he mentions because some of them I've added to my watch list believe it or not just based on his Descriptions of them they sound pretty interesting What about these Star Wars visions you were watching Proto you're going back to the well the Star Wars visions well Oh, yeah Yeah, I threw these on I think it was like a Saturday morning Sometime just you know visions. I finished season two when it came out Uh, and I really loved some of these episodes. So I watched Uh, did I watch three of them? It might have been just oh no, I watched three of them Yeah, three of my favorites, which was journey to the dark head screechers reach and in the stars. I really love those um And they're yeah, they're great to go back to I just Every time I watch those I just think of like some Disney just give one of these studios money to make a full-length picture like I would love Of you know a full story from Some some of the stuff they're cooking up in these because I just think they're so creative Um, they're they just expand the world of Star Wars or just think of it from a totally different perspective That is so cool and engaging and and I and I love it. Just eat it up What if Was screechers reached the cartoon saloon one With the young Paddle on Now this Screacher's reaches where it's like the group of kids like on that mining world who go into the cave. Yeah, okay Yeah, that's like that. I think that was my favorite one What an ending oh yeah ending eesh Uh, let's say a lot of some new patrons who joined this week Kyle yearwood Dan and Anthony all joined this past week got access to the VHS village Discord discounts on Danny's beautiful prints um What house as they've been any watch-alongs recently, but they might be quiet on the watch-along front I'm not sure what's happening here people need to wake up What's the next one also I was gonna call out there's gonna be a the Philadelphia mini meet-up happening Excuse me just just some filly locals getting together soon Not an official like big-time everybody meet-up, but We might be going to see a movie maybe get some dinner I'll be there dinner in a movie. Yeah, there's one of mercy Savvy just seven in chat showing off that new 70 mm Barbie hat Looks good seven I need a new hat Don't tell my wife that I said that Uh every week we also give out a free year of letterbox patron gets rid of ads get a nice little backdrop stats on your page Uh, I gotta read this review here. Someone dear friend of ours watched hook three stars The production design is obviously great the cast is fun Especially the moment when you're like hang on is that David Crosby? And it's whimsical and fun without sacrificing on its more serious themes in that spielberg way But it feels overstuffed and a little too on the nose thematically Um, Danny may or may not agree with that review, but it's from throwbridge So throwbridge has got a year of letterbox patron Tag your reviews 70 mm pot if you want to be honored to win Gradulations. I don't want to agree with any review less than five stars Principal oh boy. Oh boy. Oh boy. Um, I watched the Pope's exorcist Oh, I just saw that was streaming. Did you like it? Yeah, it's streaming on Netflix and 4k Give it three stars and a juicy heart Oh Russell Crowe plays literally the Pope's exorcist Um Does the Pope get a mort does the Pope kid? No, no, it's not literally like he doesn't exercise the Pope But that would be a pretty cool plot. I actually thought that wasn't plot the movie Um, but he plays the chief exorcist of the Vatican and he rides a little Vespa around. He's like an expert And he comes upon this one family who has a exorcism needs It's okay, but like I had a lot of I had fun watching it. I just want more like I want there's like a cool part where they're You know almost like Indiana Jones style excavating parts underneath the house With like old exorcist history from like hundreds of years ago and they're like, you know Reading old ass books with dust on them to try to like figure out More information about this demon So I want more of these movies and I think they're making a sequel Um, give me more Russell Crowe vest being around fighting demons Well, what do you want in the movie? You know I thought that picture of Russell on the Vespa was like a photo shot I know that was actually not heavy. I saw it circulating. Let me see if I can find the original because I think there is a version of Or I think or there's a photo of Orson Wells riding a Vespa And it's like in black and white or maybe it's in color, but they look like identical It looks just like what's a crow is a priest riding a Vespa So if you want some goofy fun far up the Pope's exorcists and believe Are you saying they should remake a citizen cane with Russell Crowe maybe some people are saying that This is I want to attach my name to it necessarily, but some are saying Uh, all right, let's get into hook Steven Spielberg Foggest This is Danny's pick We're going into our past one more time To see if this actually is one of Spielberg's best Where if letterbox is right and it's one of his maybe top 50 movies As rated by letterbox members Part of what's this movie about Peter Banny Is obsessed with the lawyering for giant big jumbo evil court So much so that his kids and wife have begun to resent him While visiting grandma Wendy in England Peter hopes to reconnect with his family But when Peter returns from a charity dinner he discovers that his children have been kidnapped by the pirate James hook You see Peter Banny is Peter Pan all grown up He left Neverland and forgot who he was and where he came from But in order to save his kids from his former arch nemesis Must alert what he has learned And become Peter Pan once more But does Peter still have it? Can he remember? Can he fly? Will his children accept him once again? Oh Always love that little scene where he's crawled around his little hut Get ready for that For the long sleep Uh god miss you you know love you Part of what is your memories of hook are they visceral like Danny's I would say so I don't know Um when I first saw it But this was definitely a clamshell VHS In the house That I saw many times Uh, I just have fond memories of watching this With my my siblings growing up um And it's you know one of those movies that's kind of like just I feel like burned into my brain of just these these different scenes And as I'm watching it it just You know like every scene recognizing every moment of this movie So it's definitely one of those for me Yeah Yeah I remember the first 35 minutes or so of this movie I remember seeing that's at a young age Like I remember like being scary You know it's got the amblin stuff going on And all that like I remember I remember the toys too Like the toy marketing I think is maybe lost on a lot of people today But for people our age I mean there's a big toy campaign For hook big big I had rufio sword Or I guess it's pan the pan sword uh-huh I swung that thing around Like what is the I'm trying to think like what is the parallel now for movies like this Is it still toys or is it something else like for for younger people? I don't even know there's a lot of toys when I when I go in the Every time we go in a target we're going to the toy aisle um So I mean like Jurassic World had a ton of toys Ton of toys yeah They're still there But our kids gonna say oh remember the Jurassic World toys Remember those toys I hope not Mikey Pee says it's Fortnite skins and actually that could be true Like the Fortnite skins are the modern day toys that we grew up with It's true Robux interesting. Yeah This is a frightening thought that we all just can't We can cut the title show We don't need this thought out the world we might need to delete this episode Danny what about you? I mean yeah this This movie hit me hard as a kid I don't I I want to I want to have a memory that we saw in theaters, but I can't I can't pull it. I really wish we didn't I I know we were at least around at the time buying the toys Um and watching the VHS so much Um, I mean it was around the time I was probably the same age as jackson And I was playing so much little leaks. I just connected really hard with this film um But yeah, this was this was something we watched Often I know there were times when my sister and I would We would just finish it and then rewind it in the like Rewinder that you have to like put in it's not the part of the VHS. It's like it's like shape like a Chevy Bel Air And we rewind it and play it again. We'd watch it again So yeah, this was just this was one of those movies. I mean for for half of our audience you had to Actually rewind your tapes. Yeah, you were done watching them. Yeah, there's a there wasn't a real Inside the movie watch again Star over we always had it on the floor too, so we could just pop it in and use our foot to close the wider Yeah, we had like a black Chevy, but I think my mom still has it actually and you push the license plate And it would pop open and you put the tape on my god When I used to work at West Coast video nobody ever rewind the tapes be kind pissed me off We had to have like three rewinders go and just like constantly. Oh my gosh Burn it up. There's like smoke coming out of those things Tristety bill. I still can't get over anytime. I bring up a video sir People got charged late fees people for return in some movie late So like these these nerdy wells coming in weekends thinking they're gonna rent, you know, soprano season two Disfor excuse me. You have a $50 late fee on your account. Sorry. You can't rent that until you pay that Let And you imagine no actually maybe you can give some insight because I feel like whenever there was a new release I never could get like a new release When would people like calm as soon as the store would open to get whatever movie just had just coming up Yeah, we put them out. I think we put them out at a certain I guess I think it was Tuesday's everything came out on Tuesday's And then we put them everything out and if people like came They would be pissed off because we wouldn't have it you guys don't have any uh So and so behind the counter. Can you can you just check again for me? Can you check to see if you have that? We'd be like fishing through discs and like now. Sorry. I have it But But different time So uh don't we talk about these movies. We'll jot some things down. We'll go round table style to discuss our viewing experience So Danny you pick this one. What's what's on the top of your mind for this feeling? The top of my mind. Well, I would love to start talking about Robin Williams and I think for me this was probably my very first um You know introduction to Robin as an actor actor uh, and I I love him so much in this film and I think he carries the entire movie on his back Because I don't I don't know that I like every storyline from other other characters as much as I like Peter Bannings um And I one thing I love about Peter or about Robin as I got older in life. I always remembered him as like a funny man But he's not very funny in this everything kind of his comedic Happening towards him and his reactions are funny and how he responds to things are funny But he's not trying to be funny and he doesn't come off as like um Trying too hard and everything feels so natural for him and I In this reviewing I was just You know, I miss him so much and then watching him and this interacting with the kids interacting with his wife with with with Maggie as well as Wendy There's just he was just a magical actor and he's definitely Something that I feel like we don't have like a replica of him anymore There's there's not someone that I can pinpoint that is like this is like The next kind of Robin Williams. I feel like he has left like a void in movies Timothy Shalame. Okay. Cut the strings. I'm sorry. I just said this No, I agree in this movie He's not like the in-your-face Robin Williams jokester. There's like a couple lines like when he throws his phone at the end of the movie. Yeah, and when he's riffing with Ruffio like those are the only like two or three scenes where he's like Funny man Robin Williams and I love that like I love that that's not the majority of the movie He plays it like pretty straight Because he is kind of like that nerd Nerdlinger for the majority of the movie. So yeah, this is probably one of my favorite Robin Williams performances for that reason And I know that like later in life he did have a lot more of those like dramatic roles And I haven't rewatched them probably since I worked at that video store, but Yeah, it might be time to go back to the well and and watch some of those again Yeah, I love the scenes at the beginning of the movie of him being a dad because I think they find they're just so believable Uh, and now you know being a dad of just relating to them and being like oh, yeah, that's me like when him sitting down at the airplane Next to Jack and Jack is banging the ball against the roof and like just the way he shows like he's like immediately peved off by him Is just like so perfect. It's so believable. Like I don't even doubt it for a second um So that I think those movies when he freaks out at the family when he's on his phone and then mora mora throws the phone out the window Who's great as well? All those those scenes work for me Yeah, I think yeah, he's like he's brilliant in this. I love him the pieces that scene where Uh Where he's on the phone, you know the billion dollar deal of his life. Why didn't somebody just shoot me in the head But I'm sorry and leave me alone for one moment more get him out of here. Well, yeah, I'm on the phone call in my life And he snaps at Jack I it's funny because I viscerally remember that as a kid thinking My dad has done this to me like this is this is how my dad responded to something I was doing at some point And then watching it now. I'm like, oh, I've responded like this before To my own kids like it's reversed like I I saw it as my father and then I saw myself as the father watching at this time It was just kind of interesting I would have loved his wife to throw some support his way when he was on the phone call in that bedroom You know, maybe maybe maybe right between the lines could be the other room I know she hated the deal. She wanted a tank or at least robin maybe take that phone call in the bathroom Maybe another room maybe start meandering into a private closet that you can close the door on A lot of things went wrong in that moment. A lot of things Uh, boy, I think this viewing the first thing that like I that jumped to my mind was the plot itself Like this feels like a pretty bonkers plot like Peter Pan Grows up and forgets Who he was and just like almost cuts off the entirety of Neverland Like that feels crazy To for this to be kind of like what year is this 1991 like a major motion picture with a ton of money behind it With from Steven Spielberg Like I just so blows my mind that this movie exists in any way shape or form in 1991 Like that he has to like go back and and see the lost boys again Um, fight hook and just all that stuff like it does feel like A genius idea For like this entire cast and production to work on. I don't know part of what you think rewatching this Yeah, I thought the same thing and I wonder if this movie has influenced The pan movies that have come after it because from you know So I'm just came out It feels like there's been a I don't know like 10 different Peter Pan movies in the last year They've done movies. I feel like And it seems like every one does something with this story to kind of try to set itself apart Even the one the one with chewed law that came out a few years ago I won't spoil it, but it it has like a An element to the story that kind of was different than anything out I was like oh, this is kind of an interesting angle So it seems like the pan stories Maybe always try to do this unless there's some kind of like a lot of lore on Peter Pan that I don't know I've never read like the original story, but um, yeah, I love I think it's it's so it's so brilliant that Peter Pan leaves Neverland grows up is a man forgets about it then has to come back as a man and like Become the child that he was again The whole set and with his own kids It's such a great setup and then how it interacts with with hook too. It was brilliant one of the I think one of the most wildest stories is that this this the original story of hook That it was written by Nick Castle, which is you know from Halloween the guy that plays Michael Myers in the mask He he wrote this screenplay originally and He was actually was set to direct it before Spielberg And I don't remember why but eventually Spielberg came and it took over Uh, but I'm still he's still he's still credited as one of the writers of this film and it just like The the fact that the guy from Halloween had this idea to tell Practically a sequel to the to the Peter Pan story what if Peter grew up Uh, I thought was insane And then even Spielberg's idea to that like he originally wanted this To be a musical and there's actually I think him and John Williams. I think John wrote like six musical pieces To pitch for hook to be a musical and before even doing Uh, this as a as a regular movie Um, oh, I was gonna say that Peter Pan banning he kind of looks like Spielberg at one point this we were wearing that hat Uh, the whole movie he looks like Spielberg what is happening here with the glasses. Yeah blowing my mind Yeah, on a percent very strange Well, Spielberg loved the Peter Pan story and there's I think it goes back to him reading the book and I Man, I can't remember if he did a play of it as well Um, so I feel like he's always kind of wanted to Either do a Peter Pan story be Peter Pan so I think maybe even having Him look like Spielberg was a probably a part of it as well. Mm-hmm Uh, Perna, what about you? What was the top of your mind when you were watching this Well Having not watched in a while so everyone and I'm raising my hand now raise your hand if you didn't know Hook was played by Dustin Hoffman. I cannot believe this I really You know, I just haven't seen it in so long and I mean he's got a wig on. He's got a hat on. He's got a hook on and I just if you asked me before I would rewatch this who plays hook I would have no idea. Who would you guess though That's what's amazing to me. I was thinking. Oh, I did say Pacino Um There was somebody who I thought it would have been I forget I said it in discord earlier this week But I can't remember who it was but um God he's so good in this. Oh, yeah, he is captain hook He's so funny too like he's not just like menacing um But he he's just got so much charisma as hook in the way he deals with the with the pirates He just he's I was loving I just love every second that he's on the screen Um, I kind of wish they played a little bit more into like the The crocodile or alligator relationship because I've always loved that side of hook, but um Oh, yeah, there it is. I thought I thought I would have guessed Gary Oldman um Um, but yeah, I just I I love him in this Is it you? My great and worthy opponent But he's calm there Not this pitiful spine this pasty bloated calm fish. I see you form there You're not even a shadow of beat man How about the scene where they're at the baseball game and he's he has the little glove on his hand Oh my gosh, and he's like high five and people with the glove I I love Dustin in this and I think he's amazing I find the hook storyline or the captain of storyline to be a bit thin or Uh It kind of loses us like self tonally for me. I don't enjoy like the it just kind of dips when they have to like Uh trick the kids to like him and it's only jack that like some I get kind of a board of that storyline Uh, and I don't know why I maybe maybe I know I didn't as a kid, but now I did I was just kind of like this is I don't know. This is a bit of a boring, but I don't I don't even Maybe it's when they get to Neverlands who it's just kind of tonally kind of takes a shift for me, but Uh, I it's so weird because Dustin's incredible, but also I don't really like the story his storyline I mean there when he they get to Neverland. It's like 35 minutes in and there's still like I paused it I was like there's almost two hours left from when they get to Neverland It's like a whole other movie. It's it's pretty crazy Um, and I think that's what like I saw in some villager reviews that it just felt like so long Um, et cetera, et cetera But yeah, Dustin Hoffman is insane in this movie like absolutely insane his little feet He's walking down those steps because I have the smallest feet out of any actor we've covered on the show I've never seen anything like it The bit where he always has to where he gets Smeets he forgets to put the carpet down and he taps the steps. I don't know why that always makes me laugh. It's so funny The part where he's threatened he's threatening to kill himself Then he's telling Smeet to stop him Smeet Oh, he's he's been there before He's not even getting up. Also, I mean just as delivery like pita Like the all of that is just crazy stuff crazy. Yeah, the the moment when when uh Peter reveals himself on the boat And him and Smeet are going over the documents and he's got those little glasses on And he's like looking at Peter that whole interaction is incredible like it all three of them are Bob Hoskins is So funny as Smeet, but him and Dustin and Robin together. It was really something else It's it this I can I always bring it up, but like the ambulance stuff But totally you mentioned it pro like it's fun and it's like they're doing goofy stuff But then like Rufio like gets killed you know like in one scene later with like he stabs Rufio to death in one scene So it's like this weird I don't know that that it goes dark like really fast and then still tries to maintain some of that like fun aspect of it I don't know if it like worked 100% Um, and I'd be interested to hear like I know that Spielberg has said that he does not love this movie And one interview it sounded like he said he didn't love it because he would have done the special effects differently like all computers No, please Um Which I don't like like I don't understand why that's his main takeaway like you could probably fix a hundred out of the different things But it might pinion like the special effects and like the sets are some of my favorite things Like the ship where they first show Captain Hook and his cronies Like that feels like the most obvious practical set in a movie I've ever seen Um, I can't remember I think I watched the 4k of this yeah, and it's like obviously a set like there's missed behind the ship That could be just a gray wall for all I there's nothing there's nothing behind the ship But a gray wall and they don't even pretend to make it look like anything else And I always felt like found that endearing in a way Mm-hmm all those sets. What did you think? Oh? I got the I got both feelings it was funny because When you get to Neverland and you you you you see you see the literally the wall of this studio. I was wondering is like Did we really need a 4k of this because? I think I would never have in a million you like I know their sets But I wouldn't have looked at the the sky and not been like this is a wall like this is the this is the this is the studio wall But um one of the interviews I watched was with Uh, they were talking about the making of and that The building out of the whole Pirate ship and in and the pirate town And they said it was so expansive and how big it was that like celebrities were asking for day passes To be able to walk on the set to see it. That's how incredible it was and how big it was the Neverland tree With all the like all of that is just there and building it and it was just crazy Uh, people were just dying just to see this set. Mm-hmm Yeah, the the the tree is awesome The the docks. I really love the docks the the amount of like detail that is there It's just so cool. It's just it's just amazing um Everything that went there. Yeah, and there's there's like shots at the end where they have the brawl um Where it just feels so obvious Of course that that it's a set or whatever, but yeah, I'm the same way it it was endearing to me more than Like oh look we're on a set like I didn't care Um, and maybe because it's just it's whimsical and it has like that yeah kind of almost like that amblin Feel to it that it it it gives me like a warm and fuzzy feeling more than like feeling that it is fake I'd love to see some like designer do a background in those scenes like here's my my portfolio piece for background design production design and they like put in a 3d backdrop behind the ship or something to make it look less like a great wall or whatever I mean what actually looked bad was tinkerbell. I could So many of her scene her wig is a Talking about the wig. I'm just talking about her being green screened into the movie I couldn't get over how bad that still looked and that had to have been because of 4k I don't think I would have I mean maybe VHS looks amazing. VHS looks amazing. Yeah, yeah, like 4k I was you know, I was watching when she shakes the hook when after I mean the image It's like her arm. It's like trying to match up the hand with the hook. I couldn't get over it I'm like this is incredibly bad. This is insane. I will say the the lighting on her first like appearance with Peter I like the lot. Yeah, that seems incredible that I wanted to see a making of just how they lit that room with The light of tinkerbell, you know running around and stuff. I mean them building out that entire barbie house was incredible too Like it's incredible stuff. Yeah To me that felt kind of of the story the tinkerbell stuff felt kind of half-baked to me Yeah, because it it just feels like it's kind of like thrown in there Where she's kind of like the bad guy in this, right? She doesn't come out great for the majority of it Someone I can't remember if it was a villager review or somewhere else someone theorized that like tinkerbell is the one that alerted Or tinkerbell is the one that set off everything into motion about the kids being kidnapped Yes, she says at the beginning that he has assigned affidavit from tinkerbell That of like where the children are some or something like that right? So it's alluding to the idea that she gave it to hook to get him Peter back pretty harsh now. She's something firefly from hell Yeah Yeah, she was extremely jealous. I remember the one of my memories of this movie is like Her you know she gets all dressed up and makes her big pitch to Peter when she's wearing that gown and it doesn't work out for Everybody raise your hand if you would have thought that tinkerbell was played by Sandra Pollock No way are you serious? I was like why does she look like Julia Roberts? This is some serious fall. Oh my god Yeah, I'll say it again the wig work in Been for her. I thought it was just terrible. I thought it was one of the worst wigs ever On Sandra or Julia for that matter Danny what else is on your list? I mean should we get um Some of the uh vgo kicking the helmet stuff out of the way now. Yes, Glenn closest in this film. She she gets tossed in the boo box um Phil Collins is a is a is the police inspector um Why is Phil Collins in this movie like did was he vacationing with Spielberg or something at this point like it's so bizarre I feel always saw himself as Peter Pan so he had to be in this movie uh, what else is There was a falling out with Julia in Spielberg uh She had like a bad breakup with keeper Sutherland at the time And she apparently dipped off of set to go with a friend somewhere and they were trying to recast her with Michelle Fyfer all of these rumors So there's just so much going around about right Yeah, I remember reading Someone had asked Spielberg about that and Spielberg just kind of like Didn't have a very positive quote about like defending her and it like heard her feelings over the years. Yeah Come on Steven Wake up Let's see what else is on my list Come through my honorable mentions here Imagine answering your cell phone at your child's play Like you go right go right to jail. Yeah straight to jail. Honestly Yeah, she's answering a cell phone call anywhere Seriously If you're calling me, I anticipate someone dying or it has died. Yeah, that is if I answer the phone That's what I'm expecting to hear and if it's not that then you should not have called me Ha The women at the office loving their little cell phone Standoff as like faux guns. They were eating it up. Mm-hmm. Oh my god Oh, what's that line? They all say to oh the flapping your wings or whatever is up. They say to them Oh, what if what if it's the pilot's time to go Geez um, oh, I think we had talked about this Maybe this was in apex, but one of my fit. What I remember vine we could film vine The last time one of the times I had watched this was during the time of vine and I remember the scene where Peter Visits Wendy over the years, but he's like doing it so long that she's aged And the camera is like you know behind her from Peter's perspective and she turns she's she's like oh Peter I'm so old And she turns her head and Peter's hand like shakes in fear is one of the silliest things I've ever seen I made a vine of that and it was just like that scene and me chuckling for the last half second There's a lot of like weird scenes like that in this movie I also One line of my notes Quote the wife orgasming in the house when his wife visits Wendy's house and she's so excited in the house She's like losing her mind About how excited she is in that house She goes sit down for a bit lord of mercy. How about the how about the wench who orgasms when she takes off hooks hook She's like Time stamp please The amount of orgasms in this all ages hook movie It's off the charts Uh boy, how about the heating bill in that house keeping that door open that like Then attic door whatever window that thing is Christ winter Paying out the ass Um part of what else you got Uh, I do have to say that there were two occasions where I started welling up in this movie and I was not Let's get into it for that. Let's get into it. So I think one is the combination of the score Um, um, I love the score in this yeah, it's there's some moments in the score that are just Incredible and felt iconic when I when I heard I was like oh my god that you know, this is the score um So and it has to do with like Peter trying to remember so that scene when the kids are stolen and they come back and tutel says to him like You have to fly you have to grow and will like when he says that like I was like yeah Like it just like it hit me um, and I don't know if that's because if it's like nostalgia or it's just like Brilliant directing and combination with it with the score and how it all just blows up Uh, yeah the editing and then um Rufio where he says Cheer it up Listen a scene that makes me well up is I mean is the scene The there you are Peter scene when he's looking at his face. I mean Spielberg is so good at shooting those scenes and there's so much there's so many moments this movie where I'm like I forget at Spielberg because I don't really think it looks like him There are the moments where I'm like this is Spielberg at his like best and that scene is It has to be top tier Spielberg scenes for me like one of the best scenes Robin just You know sitting with this child and he's looking at his face trying to find Peter again Because banning has lost his way and though John Williams score in that moment The kid finding Peter in in in Robin's face. It's just an incredible moment. It's an incredible moment in cinema About hooks office or that like bedroom whatever he had I think it was awesome. I want to visit that set like all of this set would be so cool To visit that was the same as Walt's office and the one before the oh my god Well kicked his desk and the bed came down Oh, let's see what else I got here Peter verbally assaulting a child Ruffio. I mean, we've got to talk about Dante Dante Basko as Ruffio I mean, I know I wanted to be him so bad growing up Ruffio was like it when he he's introduced Writing the skateboard sail down the the track Uh It just as so many moments with Ruffio the the I mean the food fight scene is incredible Them going back and forth with their insults insults that are even funny until you're kind of older that Robin saying the near-sighted gynecologist is so funny to me um But Dante is so good in this film. I just I love him as Ruffio uh It just In his death scene This time around I thought I didn't like like and I think it's because I think there's a better story To be told when If if they joined together To defeat hook that Peter was always going to leave With his kids A moment of him passing him actually passing the sword back to Ruffio to lead the lost boys again In Neverland I thought would have been a like a all-time moment And maybe would have been a better ending because I don't like I don't know that I really like Ruffio's death As much anymore as I did as a kid like as a kid is shocking to watch someone that you love so much die But now I'm like man. I think there was a probably a better story to tell mate Yeah such an odd choice to have him die Mm-hmm hook standing there for like a full-minute while Peter mourns him Mm-hmm But that whole scene I was like what is hook doing in this entire moment and he's just standing there doing nothing How about Peter's blown out hair when he becomes Peter panning in You can't credible. Which I had that hair I didn't know that little kid's name was thud but thud but What did I actually don't think any of them had names until they got to set And then one of the kids names is don't ask And I don't know why he was given that name. It was literally called don't ask though I love when the sparks fly when their swords hit. That's pretty cool special effect came out really well Sparks flying every time hook put his hook on Yeah, that didn't make any sense The hook that comes off, but he still slept with it with a cork on I love that Why was me at the end of the movie like in the real world? That's a good question I didn't know was it all real was it off? I know that's what I was thinking like wait Are they still at playing that angle or something else happening? I don't quite get that Um part of anything else um Well, I can give some honorable mention to it. Let's see Um I will always be shocked when I see Robin Williams's hairy hands Okay, oh wait Okay, so he has a super hairy hands, right? And then the scene where he launches on the slingshot they've shaved his whole upper body Did you notice that I noticed at this time because I know how hairy robin's arms are Uh-huh, and then when he was shirtless They completely shaved his whole upper body his arms are shaved his chest is shaved There's nothing. There's no hair on him anywhere Probably because he would would have looked too horrified because he has a hairy body I just could it was just like shocked me this time. I'm like I would never have noticed this I also didn't catch on this feeling that he was wearing kind of like a sort of fat suit For the majority. Yeah, like he's wearing like baggy He's hey this lady has little mini pillows under his white dress shirt for what looks like the majority of the movie until he starts his training Yeah, I also was wondering if they like stretched the ratio of his scenes to make him look Quote out of shape Because they played that up a lot, but then after three days of training he was like ready to go Yeah, look at those scenes again when he's wearing like a white Dress shirt. It's like weirdly baggy to make it look kind of like out of shape Watch it again watch it again Uh, how it's me Using his earwax to twirl holes my gosh. Oh gross their relationship. I need a documentary um The I thought like maybe the I thought like the brawl at the end of the movie is maybe like one of the weaker parts of the movie Um, I just didn't love the action in in that scene um But whatever um Them shooting the bass runner and killing him Oh The kid becoming a bowling ball down the stairs is maybe like one of the craziest things Uh, and that was thud but is that thud but I think that's thud but I want I want that prop of him being a ball just don't exist somewhere. I want to see it in real life It's probably like degraded like the old Ninja Turtles costume. It's like falling apart in a horrified wriggle robot has to refurb it Uh Yeah, I had fun coming back to this um Yeah, it is long um But I still Think it's fun. Uh, I had a good time watching it Uh, my kids watch the majority of it. I watched the whole thing So I'm at three stars for hook. Oh Okay, okay Three star pita pita That's your emperor voice The same captain hook of the emperor um I thought the reveal at the end where the kids were like in their beds was super corny Like we'll just show up for your mom. You don't have to pretend like you're asleep in bed We almost killed in Neverland. Let's pretend That would almost felt like they were trying to be like too fairy-taleish Like if you're reading that as a book, maybe that would make sense, you know like in the OG book We haven't even talked about the Disney ride isn't the Peter Pan ride like your favorite ride ever I mean Yeah, well yes Peter Pan the Disney ride is my favorite but also it's because Peter Pan the cartoon was my favorite growing up So I think that's another big reason why I connected this movie as well I mean, I'm a huge Peter Pan and I've seen every version of whatever Um So yes, the ride is incredible hmm There was one scene I tried to I forgot to make a giffy of But it was the there's a lot of like wirework with Peter Flying there was one like one that I just Couldn't with It was I think it was when like he flies up to his son And I can't run it down. Oh, you know what it was. Oh, yeah, he's tells his son his happy moment He's like, you know what it was It was you and he's like and he turns awkwardly like while being wirehung and he Can't quite see on the podcast, but just know that I turned awkwardly away from the camera um I'm torn between my rating because I the fog is still like covering me So I'm between like three and a half stars and four stars. I'm not sure which Which I'm at right now if I had to choose I'd probably say four um Because there are a lot of fun moments in this movie. I have a lot of great memories rewatching this Um, but today there it does drag. It's long like I would cut out so much of this movie To make it zip a little bit more um But again the practical sets and stuff it's all amazing like this kind of a movie like rewatching it I think a lot of it why we love it is just because they don't Make them like this anymore and I know that's like a hack needs to think to say but They're not making practical sets like this anymore. No, definitely not Everything's domed So I think that like that converts to like the enjoyment factor of this like oh my god. This is like a real set like a holy crap. So Um, that's my overall thoughts on this hook rewatch Um, let me see How about this movie ruining my perspective on how old Maggie Smith is ever Yeah, what she like 56 in this movie god the makeup on her She was like 60 something when she started as McGonagall in the potter. She should be I just couldn't get over it. I assumed I assumed my entire life that Maggie Smith has always been like 98 years old But she has incredible makeup work in this I think she looks old Maggie lets young Peter kiss her sleeping granddaughter She should have been incarcerated Interesting thought When it's pal trolls first big roll um The imaginary food Turning into a food fight is probably my favorite scene in the movie I think outside of there you are Peter. I love that entire um Idea of them imagining the food Peter not being able to see it But the the cut where he flicks nothing, but you see it hit rupios face is always magical to me like it's always magical The look of that food you couldn't eat that food that food would kill you in a day So cool lip. It's all yeah, the food coloring of that would kill you vegan um I'm a five stars oh I'm sorry the fog is always gonna be there I just have so much fun watching this film. I really do I I miss I don't think I don't think George Has seen it he's seven Um, maybe I'll wait a little bit longer to show him I want him to love it So it kind of scares me. I don't know Oh But uh, yeah, I can't help it. I just love this film. I love Robin so much He just he's magical in this film every scene. He's in he's just incredible and John William score is So underrated in this it's just it's it's insane and I wish I wish that I mean if people loved this more I feel like it would get like more like behind the scenes release stuff and I would love this to know What he wrote as the sixth kind of musical numbers for this film. I would love to have seen or hear what he did for that because I think the only two Songs that made it were Whatever the little girl sings as a what a Maggie sings as the Lullaby which was nominated for an Oscar Oddly enough, which is is insane to me, but and there's a different one, but yeah Anyway five stars. This was I really wondered if it was gonna dip for me But it did not no dipping here Strike me down now, Peter That's the emperor All right, we have some voice mails to get to you can leave us something at 70 mm pod at gmail Dot com everyone's under 90 seconds. Congratulations to everyone involved well played This first one comes from Mikey P Believe it or not, you know, they just covered terms of endearment on movie mixtape podcast. Did you like that movie? I love that movie. I gave it four and a half stars and then as I'm like ready to fire up the movie mixtape podcasts I start seeing some reviews come in from Dirk feel good you fired off I was like, maybe I just mark as played at this point after seeing what Dirk thought about that mode interesting Felt sick another L for Dirk Oh Mikey crossing streams. I think a little bit between tape deck related podcasts. He sent this to the wrong podcast Uh, let's see. I was about to get a hook voice mail That would be hilarious Next one comes from yo ev Hello, this is Evelyn and um, I just wanted to call And say thank you so much for creating such a beautiful community um Yeah, everyone's just so darling and sweet and supportive and You know they're strangers But I I love them so much and I love them so much and I Like it's really beautiful what you've created and I just wanted to say thank you and um also thank you. Do you hear from Josh? Um Like just to remind me to send in my phone August is awesome. My kids and I have been having a blast watching all this movies And uh stuff is a good work and yeah, like seriously. I think you So much my heart is like overflowing the community is so wonderful and I love them all And yeah, thank you so so much. Okay. Love you. Bye. How do I hang up? See no one makes phone calls anymore That's true. No one knows that I hang up a phone. No one knows that they should pick it up Thank you. I have a beautiful voice mail It's only as the community is only as good as the people that make up that community. So thank you one more VM Our roll our old pal or landy we haven't heard from or landy in a long time Andy 70 millimeter. It's Andy calling just wanted to drop in and Share my thoughts super quick on tonight's episode, which is hook Uh, I really really liked it uh this time around uh this was the second time I've seen this movie The first time I thought it was fine this time I actually gave it I bumped it up But I like enjoyed it more. So I gave it a four this time um Yeah, really fun charming movie. I definitely enjoyed it Uh, but I also wanted to thank you um for in uh for inspiring me. I Came about to go on a journey uh between the proto between uh you slim and you're uh your podcast interview with a podcast vampire Um, what about me? I I've decided to go through the entire Theography of Jim Carrey. I love Jim Carrey. I love love love. Absolutely loves Uh, dumb and dumber and lyre liar and the math Lord have mercy. So um, yeah, I just I love him. Yeah, so I'm going to go on a journey and watch all of his movies from earliest to the latest ones and so yeah, wish me luck But I love you guys and I can't wait to hear the episode Goodness gracious. How do you feel kicking off Inspiration for that Jim Carrey journey? This is it's a beautiful thing when someone said it sets off in a journey now We all understand Andy Not all journeys are meant to be completed so If you know you hop off the train at one point and you just decide to stay there, that's fine too. Um, I'm curious, you know How's he going to watch all these is he going to be buying some physical media or you know, what's his plan here? Maybe he's got someone at the library Manor woman on the inside. Yeah, you know everyone should have a disc dealer does Florida have libraries Excuse me What has dishonest done Half the shelves have been banned Uh, before we talk about next week's movie Uh, big news regarding the cage picks remember the cage picks we have interns that put forward their Movies that they want to hear covered just for supporters Um, and Proto selects those movies and then that's how we decide what supporter only episodes to do We will be doing cage picks live next week on this show We have decided to up the Annie. We're not doing just one cage pick either next one my gosh It's gonna be a whole thing double happen live on the show We're gonna get on these supporter only episodes Probably you're you're excited about this evolution, right? I am I am My um See my basement my the studio is under reconstruction So unable to do it at the studio at the moment. So we're just gonna do it live on the air To do it live do it freaking live Next week we have a bonus week to close out foggest And we talked about it a couple weeks ago. We thought it wouldn't it be fun You know, yeah, I think it was an almost pick too, right? One of us almost picked this all three of us almost picked it Yeah, 2.2 average on letterbox right now Yes Doesn't get much better. What could go wrong Uh, we will be doing from 1998 Roland Emorick Rollinsback Godzilla Mm-hmm quote size does matter This is the American version this was gonna set off everything This was like the big blockbuster Movie this is the Godzilla that started it all this is the Godzilla that started it all We're ended it all really in America for many years Matthew Broderick Jean Reno back on the show For the first time since Leon the professional cat when was that episode? That was like 10 years ago And I think we saw that our Josh Josh in our community is is also covering this on podzilla Um, so by the time this episode is out give uh, I'll have a link in the episode now to listen to Josh's podcast there are Godzilla focus pod We're not the experts. So go to the experts to hear them talk about Godzilla 1998 You get us dollars talking about Godzilla. Oh, so We need to use that word a whole lot more folks um, I Man, I'm excited to rewatch this. I've only ever seen it once. I'm very excited This was like the biggest thing ever remember puff daddy's music. Oh my god. How could you forget remember that Bruno Dude this movie is huge. This is all time favorite for my dad. Oh my gosh. I've seen this What I can't wait. Yeah, another all time Oh my gosh I remember had a friend who got like a new surround sound or something And this is the first time I saw it. He had to like he had to show me his surround sound by showing me Godzilla Can't get over it. So this is going to be a rental If you are have a 4k capable TV. I'm pretty sure you can probably just go to Best Buy and get the disc for like 10 bucks at this point For god's don't give it to you. I think they might hand them out if you just show up at Best Buy Um, so that's next week to close out fogus. I'm excited Long time coming You know, yeah, let us know if you show up the Best Buy Just take a selfie with your the millimeter essentially with your Best Buy employee with your favorite Best Buy employee Squad I used to work at Best Buy. I never get yelled at for not wearing a belt That was like part of the uniform. I was wearing khakis, but I didn't have a belt my boss would like yell at me Sureness. Yeah, retail. All right Uh party closing thoughts this week Yeah, you know, this movie you hook it had me reflecting on you know, what it means to be a dad Uh, you know, what it what it means to be you know a good father and what your kids will remember about you and Today, I also I went to a funeral today um For dear friend or dear friend Janet her father passed and it was a beautiful service where her and her two siblings Each got up and talked about their dad and all the memories they had about him and The great guy that he was and just you know, what they with the things that they they had to say about him and his character Um, and you know that had me reflecting on you know, what will my kids say some day? But it's it's cool that something like that You know where people are standing up and talking about their dad Can you can have that same effect from a movie as well? And you know kind of like a silly movie like this You know hook, you know about Peter Pan, but it has it had me you know giving me the same thoughts and the same reflections um Just you know about my own kids and You know, I was once the kid you know and like Danny was saying earlier how You know, you see yourself as a kid, but now you see yourself as the father watching this and um, I love movies for that reason Um, that's it also We'll see it right next week for godzilla 1998 Get the ten dollar disc for free at best bye next week You Seventy millimeter is a tape deck production featuring original artwork provided by Danny Hoss spiritual guidance and vizier the robot who loves movies provided by portal exus producer at large Dale underscore a transcripts provided by sophie shin and music composed by cinema trick Prince and other merch are available on 70 mm pod dot com this episode was mixed edited and produced by me slim Support our patreon for access to our vhs village discord to talk movies with new friends Access to our exclusive episodes in the 70 millimeter vault discounts on merch uncut episodes and a physical membership card mailed to you to check out other tape deck podcasts Find the link in the episode notes and If you'd like to support our friends at letterbox and upgrade to pro or patron status You can do so with a 20% off discount using the links on 70 mm pod dot com