Interstellar (2014)

Hey, it's your old past slim and this is 70 millimeter a podcast for film lovers just like you. Every Monday, I chat about recently watched movies with my close friend and artist, Danny Haas. Is the space talking scene the greatest scene in sci-fi history? And our close friend and movie insider, Protelexus. I feel like I ascended in the theater as I'm watching this. It's like, no, and you did it. You know, like he gave us what no one else could. This week, we also have a very special guest, our former producer back on the show, Ian. Imagine your parents flying over your childhood bedroom through space and time. Would you allow this to happen? Yes or no? Every month, we have a new theme that guides our feature discussion for that episode. And this month, it's the last temptation of 70 mm films focused on the spiritual, the religious and the beyond. So my pick this week was Interstellar. Does this movie still live up to the hype after all these years? Or does it get bogged down with real science? All this and more now. ♪♪♪ Episode 165, three years in the making, three and a half years. I don't know one knows the exact length of time we've been doing the show, but some have said it's all been leading to Interstellar. All these episodes, 200 plus really, if you count our supporter only episodes, Danny, do you think it's all been leading to this Interstellar? Yes, I believe so. But I'm still not sure if I'm ready for tonight. Really? Yeah. Mental. Why? Why? Emotionally. It's just I know our history with Interstellar and I am I'm happy Ian's with us for this journey. Right. You think he's going to counterbalance whatever I have to say? It's true. The amount of times Danny and I have de-m'd about this episode is a lot. It's so when- What's happening in those DMs? You want to share anything about what these conversations are? It's a lot of photoshopping your face over Matt Damon's. You're the Matt Damon after- You're more mid-journeying privately with my face. I want to see the end result. You can't just keep that to yourself. That's confidential information. You're hearing a voice that you haven't heard since our Stranger Things bonus episodes, season four, big hit. Tremendous episode, big. But that voice was also a former producer of this show. The run wasn't very long. I think looking back it was maybe two or three episodes. Ian, but welcome back to the show. Thank you. You're also forgetting the iconic arrival episode. Oh my gosh. Speaking of pre-show, that was another technical difficulty episode if I remember correctly. When you're audio. I think your computer- My computer will be fine. And it overheated during recording. Your audio is useless. I got to keep your guys on your toes. I hear you guys every week reading off five star reviews, retweeting compliments. I see the village worshiping at your letter box reviews. Someone has to keep you guys in check and that's me. Thank you. What a run. Arrival. Stranger Things season four and now Interstellar. I just wanted to real quick give a taste of who this former producer is. We do this with our guests. We go to their top four on letter box, just giving an indication. Maybe your new listener, your curious, who's this Ian fellow all about? I'm going to rattle off your top four. Just choose one of them just to give us an indication whites in there. I see Phantom Thread enter the dragon, Wayne's world, and the new Suspiria. Which of those is Ian and why? My favorite film of all those. And the number one actually on there. I think it's the most interesting one to talk about is Phantom Thread. PTA the king. We all love him here. We do. I know everyone on the show has a long track record of loving everything PTA has ever done. Mostly because when I watched that movie, I really liked it. And then within a year, I realized inadvertently I had watched it like eight times because I was traveling a lot for work at the time and it was on like whatever Delta's TVs. And I just kept putting it on. And every time it just got better and better. And I'm like, man, this movie is perfect on a tiny screen with the guy next to me snoring. What else is there not to love about this movie? My wife hates it whenever she hears that piano intro whenever I put it on at home. And I have admittedly stopped logging it on on letter box. I actually have it on all the time. It's a good background movie. I just have it on and put it on. Why wouldn't even just like log it without a review? You can keep track how many times of year you see it. Go excuse stats too much. It's like I don't blog Harry Potter's anymore. Because I don't want everything to be Harry Potter. All my stats be Harry Potter. The movie that ended Daniel Day Lewis's career. Harry Potter? Fans actually read Matthew at Matthew if you're listening. Good feature. If you could you could like turn off remove certain movie genres or movie series from your year end playlist or year end stats. Your stats. TMTM TM. There's a feature page you can manually file a request for that. Like a regular user actually. Well, not a regular user. I'm disgraced. I'm just messing on my patient. Well, I think over the course of the show, we'll get into it later. But we had always talked about you asking to be on this episode. When and if it had happened. Not that that ever really works. If someone asked to be on an episode historically, that means that I'll ignore any request. But I thought it might be a good conversation given how I have a rating on Letterbox right now. Historically, that have caused consternation among the hosts. But the real story behind this, you're twisting the narrative a little bit slim. Oh damn. And I have spoken several times of me coming in support of Danny. Yes. Slim DME. He's like, hey, can you come on next Thursday? I was like, yeah, I was like, what are you choosing? He was like, I don't know. I need to feel it out. So when I saw that it was interstellar, I was like, man, slim, that is a top 10 rug pull. Yeah. Wait, you invited him on without telling him what movie it was going to be. Because I wasn't sure at that moment, I was like, Ian, are you available Thursday? I'm thinking about a pick. But I'm not sure yet. Yes. He said not even on one. Yes. He was 100% all in even not knowing what the movie was. Wonderful. That's how much I love you guys. What a friend. This is just it's a yes to a matter of what. We're going to get into it. Just around the corner, use the chapters. If you want to get right to the interstellar talk, it's going to be a big conversation. It's going to be a big episode. It'll be our longest episode in history. Four hosts. Trampir seller. 12 points. But let's get into what we watched this week. I want to hear from Prout. I'm keeping an eye on Prout's diary. We have to. Got to have my Prout. Someone's got to keep an eye on him. Someone better. I want to hear about Willow. You watched Willow, the OG Willow movie this week. OG Willow. Yes. I was not sure if I had seen this before, but I put it on and it all came back to me. It all came back to me with my dear Warwick Davis, who plays just a delightful Willow. But not only Warwick, you got Val Kilmer, who maybe his best role ever. He has so much charisma in this picture. As I was watching this, he should have had an Indiana Jones franchise. He's one of those actors who I think he could fill that role. He's that good. Have you seen the same? Look at the shot. The same? No, I have not. That was like their work. That was their attempts. franchise. Great movie. Yeah, but I had so much fun with this. Written by George Lucas, the king. I mean, where does he get these ideas? He's got Star Wars. He's got Indiana Jones. And then he pops out this fantasy story. Microdosing. And it's that 80s fantasy with all these practical effects. These amazing sets. Like, I don't even know. Like all these sets. I can't believe they even would build all these things. Because you know, they build all of them. And it's just incredible. So I gave this movie four stars. And I think it's my favorite of these fantasies from the 80s. Oh, my. Wow. Danny, what's your rating on Willow? O.G. O.G. It's got to be four, four and a half. So much fun. It's really a fun movie. We're talking about that salesman movie at all, Berto. Well, yeah, I think I put this on my list. I think a friend of the show art in Discord. I think he might have recommended this movie. Or it's a documentary last week or two weeks ago. If it wasn't him and was someone else, I apologize. But this is wild. This is from 1969. And it's a documentary following four or five Bible salesmen in Florida. They are from different parts of the country. And they go down to kind of have like a meetup to kind of get like pumped up by their manager to go out and sell these Bibles. So then there's a camera crew following them around, going into people's homes and doing their sales pitch for these Bibles. And it was really fascinating, especially because I did in home sales for a while. And everything that these guys went through was exactly what I went through. Of just the whole sales process. Again, I actually said it gave me PTSD because I have like a tough time like remembering those times. Even when I in New Jersey, when I drive on the turnpike, and I go up north to like north Jersey, I get flashbacks of driving that road like every single day, four hours a day at the minimum. So, but it was fascinating just to see these guys kind of deal with the same things that I dealt with. Yeah. So I guess it's just like universal, the whole sales experience. So it's pretty cool. I didn't give it stars, but I'd probably give it three stars. How much was the Bible? They had to go to door to door to sell them. Yeah. I saw in a, I think it has in a review, someone said that like if you converted it, it would be $380 today. What? What? What? Yeah. It's like this really. It's a hardbound big one. Oh, it's like leather bound. It had like illustrations inside. Just like it was, I mean, it was a beautiful Bible. Honestly, I got one of those for my confirmation. I have like one of those, like you could kill somebody if you hit them on the head with a guy. Oh, gosh. What a way to go. How dare you? How dare you say that? In holy month. Killed by the Lord. We covered the left behind. We could do anything. Oh my God. That's a great, great reminder. We did release a special bonus left behind episode. By the time this post, it would have been Friday, the week before. What a conversation we had talking about Kirk Cameron. Living legend. Is he the best Kirk actor in history? Douglas. Would you take Cameron over Douglas? Let me know. Who wouldn't take Cameron over Douglas? What if he just picked your Kirk Douglas? Maybe Kirk Douglas should have been left behind. What about Kirk Cameron and Spartacus? So much. So I went, I continued the journey. I continued the left behind trilogy, fired that up on YouTube. God bless. I didn't mean to play literally, but they're available on YouTube. So part two and three are out there. I watched them. They're not good. They're not. They're not good. But little tonight, so everyone was asking about the Nicholas Cage reboot. But there is a sequel to that and Kevin Sorbo plays the Nicholas Cage character in the sequel. Really? Kevin Sorbo, who went a little wacky modern day. Diddy. Yes. Anything you want to talk about? You want to talk to? Casey and I got to the movies Saturday night. We got to see a sneak peek of Air. The Ben Affleck directed Matt Damon movie about Nike courting the Jordans. To get him to sign his shoe deal with them. And at this point, we can probably crown Matt Damon as king of dad movies. This movie fits that bill with Ford versus Ferrari. It's just, it's really well done. Ben's a great director. We know this. Everyone knows that. For me growing up, Jordan was kind of everything. I loved his shoes. I loved him as a player and just kind of growing up in that era, the 90s. So I was very excited about this film. And for me, this pays off quite a bit. I love the story. And Ben and Matt are both excellent in this film. I mean, Matt is just great. Really funny bits. Really well done. Chris Tucker is funny. Jason Bateman's hilarious. I mean, it's just, it's just a really, honestly, it's a good time, but also it's a wild story. To even consider that Nike at the time was third place in basketball. Not even on a radar for people. People were wearing Adidas and Converse at the time. And for Nike to bet it all on Jordan and we know where that went. It's great to watch Viola Davis as amazing as Jordan's mother. She's her poise and her power in this film is incredible. I just had a great time. It's an easy movie to watch. It's just well made. It's a great story. So yeah, I would check it out. You're a foot nut. I am a foot nut. Shoot nut. Yeah. How many Nike's do you think you've owned? Up until? Yeah, up ever. Many pairs. Casey, can you mute? Casey knows. Casey knows the closet set. She knows what it looks like a lot. And you know, I wasn't in, I mean, I was into it as a kid, but it wasn't until adult when I had adult money that I could buy the Jordan's for myself finally. And so it came back around. Pardo, how many Jordan's have you owned over the course of your life? No Jordan's for me. I'm sorry, the courage is supposed to have photoshopped. I love you as a Bible snare. Yeah, I see it. I see it. Not pleased without the emojis are going hot right now for that photoshopped. Let me tell you. Ugh, crips. We're going to get an Instagram live about this later. I'll tell you that much. Have mercy. This is so stupid. The Billy Crystal Bean. Oh my God, I did. Enough Tom Fuluri. We have to give out a free year of Letterbox Pro, which we forgot to do. Well, we meeting me, get rid of ads, get access to year end stats. And there was one review tagged 70 mm. Pause. I'm going to call out. Danny's favorite franchise. John Wick. Oh, chapter four. That's the tag. Quote, imagine Sergio Leone die hard, warrants of Arabia, if man, and John Wick all had a baby. And this baby knew Kung Fu and took steroids. Oh, that's John Wick, chapter four, five stars from Nick. A free year of Letterbox Pro. Use it wisely, Nick, please. Ian, where do you stand on John Wick and chapter four? I haven't seen it yet. I like John Wick, though. I'm a fan, but I've never rushed to the theater to watch them. It's kind of fun. What's the last thing you've rushed to the theater for, though? I need to know. Yeah, it's fast. Fast. Tax. I mean, I guess I will. We did see Batman together. We saw Batman together. I rushed to the theater for Top Gun Maverick. Oh, thank you. I rushed for a knock at the cabin. M night stand up. Rise up. Yeah. Rise up. Rise up, please. Maybe it's time. Maybe it's time to get into it. It's interstellar. What is time? We'll answer the question in the next 40ish minutes. Episode 165, this is the main course. This was my pick for the last temptation of 70mm a month. Or whatever you prefer to call it a month. Christopher Nolan, Matthew McConaughey, Timothy Chalamet. Part of what's this movie about? A wormhole has appeared near Saturn that connects our solar system to another in a different galaxy. No one knows how it appeared, but it has become the chance for humanity to survive as Earth's atmosphere is failing, leaving no choice but to find a new home. In a final attempt at a new start, one last ship is sent into the wormhole with a mission to establish a new colony for humanity on one of the worlds. Cooper is the pilot, leaving behind his kids but promising to return. But the entire crew is going to encounter forces beyond their understanding that Ben's light folds space distorts time and lets messages pass through the past to save the future. Interstellar. Hans cranking it right now. Shocking again right now. Oh my god. You've been following the organ, sweating his ae off. Oh my god. These tunes. Please. God bless you Hans. This was a big one. You know, when the trailer dropped everyone frothing at this trailer. Seeing Matthew crying in the truck. You know Christopher Nolan doing 2001 a space, honestly. This is going to be the biggest movie of all time. Were you feeling the same way when the trailer dropped Annie? Yeah, I mean, I said it last week, but I remember seeing, I still vividly remember seeing the trailer in theaters and having, I mean, a reaction to what I was seeing on the screen. And then at the time, I think where we finally, I think Ian, we finally ended up watching it on that theater we saw Batman and we saw the giant iMacs here in Orlando and it was an experience. This was right after the Batman trilogy. So the Dark Knight Rises was before this an inception before that. Or run Dark Knight, obviously before that. Pronto, were you feeling, what were you feeling when you saw the trailer? What was I feeling? What was before this was inception before this? Dark Knight Rises, he just said, please listen. Literally what I said 10 seconds ago, but it's dark. Sorry, I wasn't listening. This inception was before Rises. Okay. What was I feeling? Yeah, I mean, this I mean, the trailer was amazing. I remember when I saw it in the theater, I remember not knowing how to feel coming out of the theater. I saw it with some dear friends. I saw it with my friend, Ad Custom and then the host of podcasts that's no longer active, Echo Riffs. Shout out to Mike and Don. We met up and then afterwards we went to TGI Fridays. Got some wings and talked about space time. Potato skins? No, potato skins. I think I had a Sam Adams. Unlimited apps. What a memorable night as we just, you know, tried to delve the depths of this film that we just experienced together. If you don't eat the mozzarella sticks within five minutes of them being delivered to your table, those things are inedible. They've got string cheese. They're string cheese. They are solid string cheese at that point. Paul Ask in chat is this episode sponsored by TGI Fridays. Listen, we're open if TGI wants to chat, hell yeah. You ever been to the TGI Fridays in Times Square? You want to have your life changed? Welcome to Flavor Country, my friend. The center of culture in the United States. Oh my God. Ian, what about you when seeing this in theaters, the trailer before it too? I don't remember the trailer before it. I do remember seeing it in theaters though for the first time. You want me to jump right to that? Yeah. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. IMAX, Metrion Theater, downtown San Francisco. I'm with my then girlfriend now, wife, mother of my daughter, Tara. Our two roommates at the time had eaten. Oh gosh. A delicious brownie beforehand. When we were in it, I was absorbed into the movie. There's a part of the film, and I'm sure we'll talk about it later. So I'll swabish part in which my mouth was a gape. And I was just throwing popcorn into my mouth. I can't see this happening. And Tara had to grab the popcorn out of my hand and tell me to stop eating. Because the whole theater was completely immersed with the exception of me. And it was incredible. I remember leaving that theater being like, this is what it was like to see 2001 in 1964. This is what it was like. I've always been drunk to what it was like. That was it. It was incredible. Wow. All right. So we'll go around the room. We got some notes down during our viewing. We'll go round table to get the main things we want to discuss. And we'll go from there. We'll give our ratings after that discussion. So it's my pick. Technically, I'll go first. Is this the greatest sci-fi soundtrack of all time? Someone answer. Can someone confirm for me? Is it true? Someone answer. It's up there. It's up there. Not willing to confirm. Has anyone ever used an organ in a musical score for a film before? I will say this is at least top two. What's the other one? I don't know. I feel like they're maybe another one and I'm going to be. Okay, fine. I will say. Man of steel. Man of steel. Well, Man of Steel is a fantastic soundtrack. I will say I feel the marriage of this music with this movie is perfection. So for what this soundtrack does, it is perfect. And it is one of the greatest soundtracks of all time. If I'm going to pick some notes, we're talking a soundtrack or score. Because of its sound. You know what? No, no, no. Legit answer. Because if it's soundtrack, it's 2001. Easily. The best soundtrack. Yes. For that? Yes. Guru Groxen's chat. John Williams just found dead from disrespect. I mean, no more disrespectful than his Obi Wan score. If we can be frank from that television series horrific. Let's move on. Hold on. Hold on. Ian, while we're on it, what is the difference? It's score and soundtrack. And a score is original music composed for the film. A soundtrack is selected pieces of music for the film. So. So does this 2001 even have a score? I think 2001 has a score. Technically. There probably is at some point, but I could use the blue dandoo, but uses legetti. It uses. You know, also sprock. Zalstra. Oh my gosh. Oh, we can't say that. This isn't Dunepot. You don't need to flex on me with the dancers. Yeah. So. Yeah, I love it. Because it matches the emotional weight or it elevates the emotion in the movie so well. It feels like Danny said. It feels like a perfect marriage. I also love. There's like a few pieces that get blended together. Most notably, probably with the docking sequence, where it's like the one piece and then it like transitions to the other. And it's just. It's just masterful. And like what what they were able to convey by blending these different pieces together. It's. It's the circular motion of the organ to. It like it it sucks you into the movie and it makes like it just matches what you're seeing visually like there's so much spinning and you know time is a flat circle or whatever all that type stuff like it just it just fits just just it's hard to explain how. Well, it's just because I'm not even a huge Hans Zimmer guy. Just my my truth. Oh, God. I think it's weird. Safe space. He over uses like electric stuff a lot like his use of electric guitar kind of bothers me in a lot of his movies, but interstellar is just perfect the way he does it. Unreal. Danny, what's the top of your list you want to talk about? God, where do you begin with this movie? I would say. For me, one of my favorite parts of this film is the visuals and not just like as a broad. I guess I guess kind of as a broad stroke, but there are just so many moments in this film where I'm just kind of in awe of what I'm seeing the black hole itself, Gantuan, the visualization of a black hole and the approach to it is kind of just it just hurts my brain, not just like trying to figure out a black hole, but just just taking in the like design of it, the beauty of it, everything about how it looks on the screen. And then you have the planets, the places they visit, the ice planet is incredible. The thought of a planet that is just a giant wave going around. And then we get to the model making and you have model making of these ships. It's just utilizing what we know so well and what we've seen from, I mean, we'll say we're going to bring up 2001 a lot because it really touches on it. But the model making in 2001 is almost mirrored in the model making that they do for this with the ships. And there's just visually, this movie is very pleasing to me. And it just there's just so much about it that I love. I've made a notable complaint about a certain sci-fi film that came out a year or so ago with an infamous episode here that I wouldn't buy it on disk until it had the iMacs framing on it. So the 4K of Interstellar has the iMacs framing for a good, like I'm assuming every scene was iMacs in theater and it fucking rocks and it looks so good. Like everything about it is amazing. Like the water planet scene, like everything just feels so big. And I've seen this movie a whole bunch of times, but the scene that made me like remember, like, God, this movie looks amazing is the ice planet, Dr. Mans Planet. One like you think it's clouds and then it clips one and it's like ice, like, come on. Just like it's very well thought out. I read on the wiki that the team that no one worked with on writing the movie, because it wasn't like his original idea. Like I think there was two that had written the original idea and then he combined it with a script of his, but their like requirements for the story was like this has to be based in science. Like everything that you say in this pretty much with like the black hole, it like has to be rooted in real science. It can't just be like made up, whatever. And I think like they said, like the one thing that they sort of took issue with was the like the frozen clouds. Like that one was like, they're like, yeah, whatever. Okay, you can do that. But I thought that was, I never read that before. And after this feeling, I thought that was pretty fascinating that everything was still pretty realistic. Yeah, they have a they worked with a physicist, Kip Thorne, who like, went over all the ideas they had and also like contributed to, you know, make to give them different ideas. Because I think I think I read at one point, like Christopher Nolan, he wanted to have them like traveling at the speed of light through faster than, but Kip Thorne was able to move him away from that because it's saying like it's just it's just not possible. So he convinced Nolan away from that. I actually read the book. So there's a book called the science. I think it's called the science of interstellar. And it was written by Kip Thorne. And he goes over every all the science in the movie, which is really fascinating. If you're in, you know, like want to learn more, it's all there. I can't remember probably a single thing from it. And I mean, anytime I try to like, wrap my head around these concepts, I've probably watched YouTube videos 50 like literally 50 times on like space time and, you know, light and all these concepts, but it's so hard to grasp them and like hold them in your head that you have to like kind of go back and relearn them all over again every time. Does the book go over how long it would take for someone to write out a mathematical equation to solve space and time with Morse code or interesting. Oh, interesting. I love it. I love it. In on the top turn buckle. Kip, can I go faster than the speed of light? Please, Kip. Mmm. Pardo, what's the first thing you want to talk about? So I watched some of the bonus behind the scenes on the 4K set, which really gave me like, you know, renewed my appreciation for Nolan and everything that he does, you know, puts into his movies. And one of the things that he was that was important to him, and I hadn't really like considered this. So I watched these these bonus stuff before I watched the movie. And one of them was his the role of machines in Interstellar and just how he wanted to have machines be a big part of it. And he was like adamant about like he was like, they're not robots. They're articulating machines because robot implies that it's like human like where he wanted the machines to kind of be like more separated, you know, they're not human. And that's why like the design of TARS is so different and unique. But as I was watching it, I, with that, with that like information in my head, I was just like really struck by how there is so much of that in this about almost like the role of machines. And as they are like gaining intelligence, even like the stuff in the beginning with the drone, you know, where they like they find the drone and they pull it down. And then Murph is like, you know, why couldn't you just let it be? You know, it wasn't harming anyone. And then the the machines on the farm all gathering to the farmhouse because of the magnetism there. And then of course, TARS and case and their relationships to their humans. I think there's just like it's such a like a fascinating layer about, you know, as this movie is exploring the ideas of, you know, emotions and connection and feelings. There's also these machines that are kind of gaining these abilities. So it's like it's I feel like it's a very subtle kind of layer that I hadn't really noticed as much on previous of youings that I found like really fascinating this time around. Yeah, I love the machines in this. I love like some things that I caught this feeling was kind of coops reaction to seeing the machine in the NASA base, you know, like the decommissioned, whatever he called it. I wrote it down, but I took a ton of your marine ex military security, which I thought was a funny phrase. Plus like just the I don't know. It's so different than other mainstream sci-fi movies. I feel like had considered to portray that type of character and like their and they're funny too. You know, they're not like C3PO funny. They're a different kind of I think it feels different. And this is one of my points later is because like most sci-fi movies that heavily involve robots or machines and this being a very direct comparison to 2001 is that the machines are usually the bad guys. Yeah. Or there is some sort of like evil air about the machines. Obviously the matrix very obvious answer there. And this they don't even like tease you with that in any way. Like the drones are kind of there, but you don't really like there's not like they're bombing people and he wants to collect it for himself. You know, and Tars is obviously like he is the comedic relief essentially for the whole movie. So I think that's why it feels different. It doesn't like the machines aren't for boating. They don't have this like dark cloud over them the whole time, which is fairly rare in most sci-fi movies, especially things that are like veering on post apocalyptic type stuff like interstellar is. Yeah, the post apocalyptic stuff in this, I'm not sure if anyone has this in their top threes, but it's like pretty like it's quiet in like the they're talking about like the almost like famine and how the food is not usable. But I remember like in my last review, my three and a half star rating. This the they live in like a post truth world. Did they call it that in the movie? I can't remember. I wrote that down, but it's not it's 2067 and they don't believe they landed on the moon according to the approved federal textbook that we replaced or like we've replaced it with federal textbooks with the corrected versions. What a strange addition to the movie. Like I'd love to hear what you guys think about that because it's almost like it's just that subtle thing that's added in. It's not like a real structural concept that's brought up again. I don't know. Part of what did you think of that? Do they get into that in the special features at all? Not that I watch, but it's an incredibly low it's like a double barrel shotgun line, like just giving you that. So yeah, it's fascinating. Every time I hear it, it's just like like why almost like why is this here? But it's interesting how it gives you so much by saying so little, I think. I'm pretty sure it's because like they want to keep people from thinking they can get off the dying planet, right? Like they've tried and they've failed a whole bunch of times. What I always thought it was was because he brings up, he talks about his taxes and how his taxes should be paying for his kids college or whatever. And for me, it all goes back to the lie of NASA. The big lie that Michael Caine has, it's government dumping so much money into NASA secretively that they are forcing the lie onto everyone else that space travel didn't ever happen. So keep people from thinking that it's possible to leave the earth. So I think that's like the government propaganda that's being forced down everyone's throat now, that the government's still dumping all their money into NASA, but they don't want anybody to know that when they could be, I don't know, solving some sort of hunger issues instead. But the government never lies to the people. Interesting. That's a more on science fiction. In my review, I was so like taken aback that it's such a stupid thing. I read this review three years ago. And I remember being so naive to think that a post truth world could actually exist. Like we're like our kids are Coop's age. We're John Lithgow in this movie. So like imagine that where the moon landing is like so hazy. We're talking like 40 years from now. It's not outside of the realm of possibility where we are today as we record this, which is like the most unsettling thing that I really want to watch. Should we get into that? Should we just like completely talk? No, tomorrow we can just still be random with majority for six hours to prevent us from thinking about real life problems. Ian, what do you want to talk about? First point. I struggled ordering my top three. So I'd like to break the rules a little bit disclaimed that my top three are in or they could be tossed around. So my number one is equally my favorite part of the movie while also the reason I have a lot of issues with Christopher Nolan. But it is so goddamn perfect in Interstellar that I just like love it every time. And that is just the entire everything about Dr. Mann. Everything, everything, everything. Damon. So I really think Chris Nolan is amazing visually, but his the writing in all his movies are complete garbo, I think for the most part. And what I talked about with like the robots not being the enemy. You know, like Dr. Mann, you know, man is man's greatest enemy. Like he's dressed up as a monk on like the Lazarus missions. Like it's all so corny. But I like cannot like it, but it's just so perfect at the same time. And then all like the sequencing after that, like insane decision to stunt cast Matt Damon as a guy named Dr. Mann. And like the slow reveal of that stunt casting for that cameo is so good. And he's not really a stuntcaster. Nolan. So it's even like more surprising that it happens. There are lines where he goes like to see your children. It's okay. They're right here with you when he's walking away from Coop. And he's just talking to no one like God, Damon just absolutely kills it. And then it all leads into like to the docking sequence like that those like from that moment on like the whole movie just like you can't take a breath. And it all starts with Dr. Mann. And again, like the ice planet just like everything about it. Again, equally what I love so much about this movie and what I cannot stand about Nolan. But it's just, I mean, it I get excited every time it happens because I know we're about to like we're we're going to 10. You know what that kind of reminds me of of of watching signs because I remember watching that and thinking like the dialogue and this kind of sucks. But walking Phoenix and Mel Gibson save it by their performances. And I think there's like some of that in this as well where yeah, I think yeah, I think like if it maybe if it wasn't Damon, like it just wouldn't have worked. And then I mean, the other scene that I think I struggle with is like the Anne Hathaway scene after the water planet where she's kind of like getting philosophical, right? That comes off like kind of rough. But it could have been much worse if it wasn't Anne Hathaway. You mean the scene where she's talking about love or the scene where she's like on her knees regretting that they just wasted two decades of time? You know, where she's talking about love. Three years. What the Lord? It does. So do I. Great. Okay, we'll get into it. Matt wrote it down too. The scene with Damon, you know, it's hard to remember, but like, yeah, it was kind of like a shock when he comes out of the thing and it's Matt Damon because they talk about his character earlier in the movie and like this guy is a legend, a living legend. They like point to the photos of the astronauts and but you can't see who they're pointing to when they're talking about man. And I try to remember what I thought of him in the first two times. I saw this, but you know, I think I came around more to his character on this viewing of like someone who's really in like high esteem of so many people. That doesn't mean that they're incapable of just making horrific decisions and like really breaking down their emotional state. Like he wants to get that f out of there. Like, I don't know, at any cost. So his his story lines is fantastic. Yeah. Sure. I also love, I love that line where he says that he resisted the urge to put the beacon on for years. Yeah, which really, yeah, if you're there and he's like, all right, my planet wasn't the one. And then what are you going to do? Like, you're, he's literally, you know, marooned on this planet, but you have this beacon sitting here and you're looking at it every day for 1000 days. That's a very human thing to do. I mean, also like they, they reference the astronauts who go into the black hole. It's a high percentage that you're going to maroon yourself. Like you're looking for a planet. If it's not habitable, you're there. Like chances are you're not coming back. And that's just the way it's going to be. I think that's crazy to even think about in that respect. My next one, I think. Mm. I'm just going to get it out of the open. You know, let's just cut, cut, cut, just do it, cut the BS baseball scene. Let's talk about it. Yes. I had a religious experience watching this movie today. Absolutely. I was not expecting how, how I felt about watching this movie today. I don't, I'm probably going to cry talking about this fucking movie. Okay. Let's, let's go. So like, welcome. Everything just sort of worked for me this time. And it, I, we talk, I talk about this on the show of like, I could watch a movie years later and have a completely different experience, whatever. That absolutely happened this time. I remember being like kind of hating certain aspects of it. The big one I hated is Murph and Coops. Goodbye. Yes. Like I could not have been more irritated that McConaughey didn't go back upstairs. One more chance. Like you're going probably forever. Like there's a 1% chance you're going to see your daughter again. And he doesn't, he doesn't like allow that kind of like second chance to see Murph. And that just destroyed me. I think I was just like angry for the rest of the movie. On this feeling, I did see him kind of like maybe hope that she was in the truck on his get, his exit. Remember how she hated the truck the first time he didn't see her? So that like, so I actually connected with Murph, a ton in this viewing. But I, I think I'm back to Romo. The ending of Roma, remember me talking about the ending of Roma? Yeah. When you get to, I'm skipping ahead, I just have to get to these scenes. But like when he's in the Terrace Act and he's doing all that stuff, I'm a complete, I was a complete mess this viewing. I don't know what the hell I was doing last time, but this time I was like fully engaged. And when he sees her, I wrote about this the last time I saw it when he sees Murph years later, incredible scene. But I sobbed when he's like asking what, where do I go? Like, what do I do from here? She says, Brant. Right. I tell, this is a safe space. I was sobbing so loud. I was stunned by how loud I was crying. You don't even let you cry. And you're like, I don't know how to describe it. Like you're crying so loud that you're like, almost like, it's a sob. I'm a mere never. A mere. No. No parents should have to watch their own child die. My kids here for me now. You go. Where? Brant. She's out there. Setting up camp. I'm. Alone. In a strange galaxy. Where I was then when I watched this movie is different than where I am now. I just, I completely adored those scenes. It was, it was crazy. Crazy. It's almost as if living through a pandemic changes a person. Come on now. So those hang ups with Murph, I'm not sure if anyone else had those hang ups with the goodbye and the kind of the relationship at all. I had a very, I had a similar experience. I famously did not have a child until two years ago. And watching this, and I'm also very much not a movie crier. I didn't cry in this movie, but I like, Tara is always like, you have no emotion watching like these. About time I cried, thanks to the 70 millimeter shot. Great episode, great movie. But yeah, so watching this now as a father of a daughter, I was like shook to at so many parts. Like every time she ages, it's like goddamn. Like, you know, for me, the most brutal one is when the delayed, you know, they go in the 23 years and she thinks he's just not responding. And he gets all the messages and they all come in quickly, quickly, quickly. It's like it was chills. And I have a lot of thoughts on the Tesseract, but I'll save them for later also. But yeah, definitely, I had a much different like emotional like before it was very like, I love this movie on a very like, oh, like the technical prowess and like film Twitter and blah, blah. But like this time I had a much more emotional like feeling towards like the whole the whole thing. It was, yeah, it's great. Yeah, that scene where he leaves leaves Murph at the beginning. I've always liked that. And I can see why you why someone might not like it. But for me, as someone who like doesn't know how to say goodbye or often like doesn't know how to say like, I love you to people or like be affectionate, the way he does Cooper acts in that scene felt very like real to me. Like if I feel like if I was in that moment, like I like would shut down emotionally and all I could do was kind of like leave. I don't know how to really explain it, but I've like being in situations like that, I can I can remember where I just like, I like freeze up. And all I can do is kind of like get out of there. So even though it's like, dude, this is more than likely the last time you'll ever see your daughter, how are you doing this? It still felt like really real to me as like a response. That would be me 100%. I mean, I'll say it. Like I would have I have a hard time with that sort of stuff all the time. I mean, you know, when I have family in the Philippines, like whenever I leave them, obviously it's going to be like extended periods of time. I always like have a weird, you know, way of handling. I don't know Irish goodbye before you. Yeah, I just I just hop on a plane. But I'm the same way. I understand where you're coming from, Proto. It felt it doesn't feel ridiculous to me. I mean, it is, but it also doesn't in the same way. Danny, you're up. Well, I want to I definitely want to talk about the Tesserax scene. I know I know Ian wanted to bring it up. I that scene is incredible. And I I like the idea of because at this point in the movie, I feel like our mind has been effed with so much scientifically to to keep up with what's going on that like things have happened. The times on one planets changing 23 years, jump, we're figuring out how to, you know, go from planet to planet. When they jump when he jumps into the Tesseract, it is like your brain has to shut off and you have to live in this like fantasy world again. Like there's something about it that I love because everything feels so real up until this moment that this feels fantastical and it looks incredible and it's performed so well. And the all of that said, even the realization that he's the ghost at this point, he's the one behind the bookshelf causing the books of fall or the dust to settle. And this scene, this scene kind of solidifies for me that this is for me, the greatest sci-fi film of all time. Oh, and when he's realizing he's the ghost, the best part of that for me is that it takes him a while to get to that point. When he's doing it, he's still saying, oh, they were choosing me, they were choosing her. It takes him even a couple more times to realize that he was choosing her. Like just it's chills. I love that. The Tesseract scene to me is maybe one of the greatest payoffs in a movie because you know, science fiction movies often, they try to hook you with some kind of promise of something like this fantastical idea. And so many of them, I think, like fall flat in different ways because maybe they just promise too much and then they like take a left turn at the end or the thing that they said they were going to deliver, they just visually can't do it or they, you know, they they cop out in some way. I think maybe the only other movie that recently gave such like an amazing payoff was we did it on the show. What was the movie you picked, Slim, with Natalie Portman in the, what's that called? Annihilation. Annihilation, which has an amazing payoff. But this, like I remember seeing this for the first time, you know, you're seeing this gargantuan black hole and you're thinking like, is he going to go in there at the end of this movie? And you're like, no, there's no way because it won't make it like, what's going to be in there? There's no way you could have a good payoff. But then he gives you the Tesseract. And to me, it's just like, I feel like I ascended in the theater as I'm watching this. It's like, Nolan, you did it. You know, like he gave us what no one else could. And the, uh, behind the scenes, something, watch, did you see the set they built for the Tesseract? No, I didn't. I, I, it is, it is absolutely incredible that they have that built and him hanging there suspended. The book, I mean, it's, it's such, it's such a feat to, to see something like that, that has been built for a film that doesn't feel like it's not possible. Yeah, I loved that Tars, like every, I think this might, I mean, I'm willing to agree that this might be the best sci-fi payoff in history. Like the, the way that this scene works, but then like the follow up and how everything transpires after that, like you get the most satisfying epilogue, you know, movie that I can just think of. Just the idea of you being able to see like various points of his past and trying to change those moments is just so crazy. Tars coming in, like making contact at the right moment and them having that conversation about like, how can we use gravity, you know, to, to share this information with her at the right time. The Morse code in the watch, like everything coming full circle. At that moment, like, I think Ian mentioned earlier, like, how do you share the quantum science that is necessary to solve the equation in Morse code at that point, like quick, relatively quickly. Maybe it was just like one parentheses equation. He just needed to share like, you know, e equals the one M C squared parentheses and parentheses. But like all that stuff. And it's also bonkers too, because like, she is at the house for what feels like 90 minutes before that. Yeah. And then like, you almost forget that like, Oh, that's right. She's still at the house trying to figure this out. And it's like the craziest shift in time. But I loved it. Let's move to Prado. Prado, what's next on your list? Okay, next on my list. So I want to talk about just like, I think how like we kind of mentioned this, how good this movie looks watching this on 4k. Oh my god. This movie looks insane. It looks just so friggin good. The 4k disk. And then watching like the bonus features about how they built everything that the whole farmhouse thing, they built that entire farmhouse. They planted the corn for that. Yeah, and it's because it's they planted it in Calgary, Canada, where it's like not a good environment for corn. And they didn't even know if it was in like grow tall enough, because if it didn't like warm up enough, the corn wouldn't grow. So they kind of like they found the location that they wanted. And they just kind of, they just bet that the corn would grow there. But I wanted to bring up, I was talking to a friend, friend of the show, Throwbridge, this week about the movie. And he said that he read a review. And I thought this was really interesting. So I looked it up. It was a it's a role, it's a review on rogerdewerk.com. It's not by Ebert, but it's by a writer there. And one of the things he said about just the composition and like the cinematography of the movie, he says, the camera rarely tells the story in Nolan's movies. More often it illustrates the screenplay. And there are points in this where one, where in this one where I felt as if I was watching the most expensive NBC pilot ever made, which is pretty, he goes on to like praise the movie. But I had that in my mind as I was watching this, and I could actually like really, really see it when I heard that because it does every scene, Nolan doesn't really take many chances with how the film is shot. He doesn't really try to influence things too much with the camera. He's very, I would say, neutral in that way. And it just kind of stood out to me after reading that line and just watching it this time. It almost felt like if I was reading the screenplay, it would almost be like a literal interpretation of the screenplay that's like being shot on the movie. But I think it really works. I mean, even if it is like that, I think it like works so well. Just almost that the camera isn't as like, I don't know, opinionated about like how the movie shot or it's not saying as much. It's really just more blank in terms of just like presenting what's in the scene because I think that really works with like the space shots, right? There's like so many, well, there's not a ton, but there's a lot of shots in space that are just really like just showing the massive scale of things and showing you things that you've never seen before. I mean, the shots of them going into the wormhole. The black hole stuff is insane. It's mind-blowing. It's insane. Yeah, I think this is my favorite like anything in space movie, like all the shots of them, you know, the docking scene is bonkers. It's very a moment. There was, I wrote on my notes, when he, when he docks, Andrew Matt Damon fouls things up. What did I write in here? I wrote like, well, first of all, she asked Cooper, what are you doing? Docking. Organs hit. You talk about ascending. I was doing all sorts of things in that chair at that moment, but I wrote in my notes like, is Koop the greatest hero in the history of space and time in that moment. He docks this ship onto that spinning thing. Without that, there's no civilization. And like, there's no anything after that. He does so many things in this where he's like almost like the most unsung hero out of this hole, saving the planet type thing. But yeah, all that stuff is gorgeous. It's mind-blowing in 4K. Absolutely. I always loved the fact that we've had this secret NASA government dumping billions into this ship being launched. And let's just throw farm boy Koop in the pilot seat within like 20 hours of seeing him again for the first time and launch him into space. Like, that's just the level of trust into Koop I found fascinating in this because it's like, how one's the last time he's flown a ship, let alone been airborne on anything. Can he pass a physical? I mean, is there a physical for him to take? Koop's just got that dog in him, you know, and they know that dog. He's got that dog. He's got to do some like horns thing. Matthew McHanna had a ball game, college football game. He's doing his little learns thing, right? University of Tennessee, wherever he's at. Texas. Wow. H, don't listen. I'm sorry. UT. The black hole, all that sort of stuff. You just get a sequence of not only incredible cinematography, but you get a sequence of incredible internet culture in that 30 minutes or so. Like almost every line within that sequence has become some sort of like memeable GIF or quote among like, you know, the internet, like this little maneuver is going to, you know, save us however many years and 51. Yeah, 51 years, all the sort of stuff. It's and it's a delicate line to bring those things up and not have it be a complete joke. But it is hilarious when you see it out of context, but in context, you're not taken out of like, oh, this is like, we're that funny, like, gift of him crying comes from, you know, it was 2014, like the apex of giftable meme movies. Like this is one of the most gift movies I think I've ever seen. Like it's when the gift was invented in 2014. Yeah, Billy gift, invented it. He did it. You went to UT University of Tennessee with Matthew McConaughey, going to win the bull horns. We're going to hook you in Tennessee. These are all post truth. Who's either proto or Ian's turn, I think. My number two is also like a sort of bigger thing. I think a lot of movies try and be too smart and too clever and too trick or like make the audience think too much. I think Westworld suffers from that, that TV show, but obviously suffered from that very badly. Tenet, I think inception in some ways. But like this movie keeps you perfectly confused, but you're still actively trying to figure it out because I don't think people, at least I didn't get to the point where I'm like, I'm never going to get it. Like, I feel like they bring up enough around enough times to where you can like piece enough together to where it's fun, a fun confusion and a fun like questioning of like, how does this work versus like a frustrating to where you just want to stop paying attention to it a little bit? Or stop trying to find that second layer of how this all exists in this world. And yeah, fun fusion, as I said. I think the emotional component helps that almost as much as the kind of like based in realistic science to the point where they'll try to explain it to you in 30 seconds and you can, I don't like sorta get it. Because I think the love stuff towards the end were connected by love. I bought into that this time around and I was pretty anti-brand in my first two viewings. Like, I remember being really annoyed with her screwing up and like killing the decades of time on like my previous viewings. And I guess this time around, I was still kind of annoyed because like, if you're, how did you not know that like in theory, what's the space would have landed on the water planet minutes ago? You know, would you really get that much data by finding the like the black box if you had just thought for a few seconds? Like, yeah, there's gonna be 30 seconds of data on here. Let's just not bother with it. But you know, later when she explains about how the like tangent, the intangibility of love and emotion, when she's talking about how she does love the astronaut that has landed on the other planet that she wants to go visit, I thought that was an amazing speech. So listen to me, when I say that love isn't something we invented, it's observable, powerful. It has to mean something. Love has meaning. Yes, social utility, social bonding, child rearing. We love people who have died. Where's the social utility in that? None. Maybe it means something more, something we can't yet understand. Maybe it's some evidence, some artifact of a higher dimension that we can't consciously perceive. I'm drawn across the universe to someone I haven't seen in a decade who I know is probably dead. Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends dimensions of time and space. Maybe we should trust that even if we can't understand it yet. I was absolutely doing prayer hands during that moment because it's so fascinating to see a scientist get to that point. We're like, maybe this is something we need to pursue based on the fact that we can't explain it. Maybe it's time for us to start seeking out what we feel in this way. I love that speech. I think it probably helped me connect with her on this viewing to the point where when Murph says, Go see Brant, she's on that planet, she's alone. She's setting up camp. She's about to take the long nap when they show her take the helmet off. She's alone. I'm fist pumping for Matthew McConaughey to get in that friggin jet, get over there and be with her. I love that stuff. It was incredible. I like there's a moment also. I don't know if it's before or after her love speech, but it's more of the weight of the decisions they make between the planets I go to. When Coop kind of throws it in her face that she's wanting to go to the planet because the person she loves is there. She has this moment where she throws it back into his face and says, it's like the choices they have to make now, it's like, let's see how willing you're going to do things when your family's lives are at stake now or something. It's just really well. I actually really like the script and this. I think it's dumb enough for people to talk about this high brow science stuff. I just think that that's a great bit of the conversation that they have. That goes into their motivations for doing things, is love for the people that they're fighting for and the people that they want to see. There's no one that's not going to be emotional. That's why the original 12 astronauts were chosen. They had no one they were connected to besides their pets. Yeah, I love how in that scene, McConaughey is trying to act like he's making the logical, most sensible choice. But really, his decision is under a guise and he wants to get back to his kids. He's motivated by love as well, even though he might be tricking himself to believe that he's just trying to make the right choice for the mission. Another thing I love about that scene and how it all comes together. It's so understated as well as that. I think at the end of that scene, Brant says that maybe we should make this decision based on love or something like that. Maybe that is a guiding for it. Maybe it's nonsensical, but maybe we should trust that instead. The planet that had the one that she loves was the right planet to go to. That was the only planet. It's such a beautiful way to put a bow on that whole story. But it's so understated. There's so many things in this movie where no one doesn't throw it in your face like that. I feel like each time I watch it, it's a movie where I pull something new out of it. Even when he does throw it in your face, you let it go because the performances are great. Daniel and Chet, I was going to say this quote. We're like, screenplay or whatever. I don't know. The way it's put together and he's floating through literally her life and he starts to understand it all. It's just, what's last on your list? Last on my list. Is the space talking scene the greatest scene in sci-fi history? The marriage, last sentence before, the marriage of the visuals in this film, the model making, the performances and the music all come together in that moment. There is an intensity to that scene. It's performed so well. Visually, I feel like I've preached this through our entire podcast history. Model making and prop building is forever. This just proves it. This scene looks so good. It's just blowing up miniatures and it's miniature spaceships being made. It's incredible music. This scene, I just feel like it's one of my favorite scenes of all time in cinema. I could watch this scene every day and never get tired of it. It is an amazing feat in filmmaking. Put it in the Library of Congress. Please. I know the Library of Congress listens weekly. If we can make this happen and we can be there in attendance, maybe to cut a ribbon of some kind, we'd love to do that. Ooh. Yes, please. Oh, ribbon cutting for Interstellar. We will do it. Would you have pictured it? 70mm at a ribbon cutting for an interstellar induction to the Library of Congress. What did it have ever done? Who's Chris Nolan's tiny scarf? I just want to thank my boys at Southern DMM for being here with me. We couldn't have done it without you. Frodo, final point? My final point has to be my, I don't know if I would call it my favorite scene, but the scene at the end where he walks in to see Murph. Oh, a gospel, but I'm going to start to cry. There's like that, there's no other scene in cinema that like hits me the way that scene does. I'm not even sure I understand what it is. I think it, you know, of course, there's like him just getting back to his daughter after promising her, of course. You know, it being a lifetime for her and for him, you know, a much shorter amount of time. But then I think there's something about just like the way this is wrapped around the very like fabric of our universe. Like that, that a man could now, a father could now be younger than his daughter. And just here on a step, I don't know what it is. But it just like, it destroys me every time I see it. A father should never watch his child die. Oh, unbelievable. Yeah. I mean, like her, like that she'll be there in a few weeks, like, but they don't eat people her age don't usually travel, you know, whatever they call it across X, Y, or Z. But like, also, when he gets there, she's surrounded by her family. Like you're getting, you're starting to tremble as soon as that door opens when he goes in there. I also loved how like that wasn't, I don't think that was, did the family leave during that scene? That wasn't a private moment between the two. It looked like it was by the way they all stood around. They were there. Yeah. It was just kind of focused on the two of them. And she even references like, you know, my families, my kids are here. You leave. Brand. You know what I think helps that scene, at least for me, the weight of it is how well Murph's story arc is in the entire film when we see her as a kid, Jessica Chastain's performance as her to go from being mattered or father as a kid, being mattered or father as an adult, but also dealing with her brother and what's going on with that family. And then her coming to realize her father was lied to that he, I mean, he did leave her, but he was also under the false pretenses of why they're going and her just coming around, solving it, being able to get him to come back. And I feel like her grace for him at the end and her love for him really kind of shines through. And it almost feels like the first time we kind of see it from her. And it just, it's, it's amazing. Yeah, the one of the things I just absolutely connected with is like the, it's like corny, I'm, but you can say the whole thing is just as corny, but like the journey of one's life over the course of decades, it's like never the end. Like who knows what will feel five years from now, 10 years from now, 30 years from now, it's just like it's markers to see on the screen, but always something to keep in the back of your mind. In final thought, if you don't have another major point, we could also just go to honorable mentions if you want. So my final thought is the way the movies pacing works is a master class, I think. They don't, you know, they're, they do have like little intros with the, you know, Dust Bowl, whatever interviewees, so you kind of get a hint of like what's going on, but the way the interns, yeah, the Ken Burns pieces, the way they introduce like this earth is like really uninhabitable in like the first act is so, so great. Like the baseball sequence, when like, you know, the way the dust is coming in and they all just kind of like pack up and like, well, time to go. Like they all get in their car and then it reveals a little bit more about the farming and how that's been an issue. You know, they set it up to like be incredibly dramatic and again, going back to it feeling very real. It just like adds to the, to the gravity, no pun intended of like the whole situation. You know, there's been plenty of praise about how, you know, this is the best sci-fi movie ever and all that. And I think little pieces like that, you did say that. And I think things like that are why it earns that title on so many people's lists. Like it's a, you know, it's a hard thing to nail. And like I said, Nolan, I don't, like to me, no one doesn't get it right most of the time. But this, the setup of the world into, you know, what happens in NASA into like the space sequences, like I guess there is like a little bit of a quick jump from when he's like assigned to like getting on the ship. And I think that's like actually like a literal like cut is like him in the ship all of a sudden. Yeah, from the truck to the ship. Yeah. But, and that works. Like the jump cut works, you know, he's leaving like what the life he hasn't been wanting to be, you know, he wanted to be a pilot astronaut. And like it's transitioning from that one, you know, he's going back to the other phase of his life, the pacing, the way the story unfolds. You know, everyone talks with the visuals, obviously, and like the score and acting. But I think the pacing just ties the whole thing together, just with the awesome really perfectly. I mean, they spent 45 minutes on earth before they get into space, which is pretty crazy. I remember watching this in theater and being like, what's going on here? I thought this was called Interstellar. But one thing that I love is when they, when they go to the NASA Center at first, and then they're in that boardroom and chatting, and then suddenly the doors open and they're like in the hangar for the rocket. I was like, this is such a Nolan scene. Like even that has like a transition. It was almost like they like they repurposed like a James Bond villain, like layer or something, you know, like, why is there a boardroom and then the doors open and you're in this hangar? But it was awesome. Could you imagine Nolan doing a bod? I don't want to talk about that. There was the scene to where I think it was Michael Kane explaining how like NASA was shut down because they wouldn't drop bombs on the starving cities. So then was that a lie? Like did they really get shut down? So he like, why lie to McConaughey? That's right. Because he didn't want to. It's all a lie. Okay. Honorable mentions and final writing from me. I forgot Timothy Chalamet was even in this when he appeared on screen. The interviews with the real people is pretty jarring even on this rewatch. I don't know if it's like, I don't know if it fits. I don't know. It's just very strange. That solar powered drone flying for a decade. That's pretty cool. What do you call it? He said it's an Indian drone. Yeah, Indian man. The quotes about like, we don't need engineers. Like we need farmers. It's just so crazy to think about how like all these explorers, like they can't do anything that they like live their life to do and they have to like kind of, I guess quote unquote, settle for farm life. But even that's relatable, right? How many people feel like they are destined to do something in a hypothetical or even a reality where you have a job, you have a career of something and then something unexpected happens and you have to be taken out of whatever you feel like you were put on this earth to do? Cooper's watch. Can we get into the watch? We haven't. We held off. We stunners. They're gorgeous watches. You know, they're gorgeous watches. I know at least one person on this call was potentially looking at sizing. I don't know if it'll happen one day. I hope it does. One day. It's on a day. It's all I can say. How about I'm carrying two different watches? Yeah, Power booth. Big time Power booth. Big time flex. Big time. I wonder if that was his wife's watch. Did they ever say where that watch came from? I wonder if it was his wife's. Interesting. I wondered if he had the pilot watch and then he had almost like a leisure watch. If he was doing work, he wore one. I'm not a troll. Pilot was his watch from flying. Right. Pilot. We're not meant to save the world. We're meant to leave it our final expedition. That was a great line. The one thing you could say is wrapped up by everything in this movie had to happen the way it did for it to happen. Just believe me. But how did they not reach out to Coop sooner? If he's literally the best pilot for the job, don't you think they would have sent some feelers out? What's Coop up to? Do you want to do this thing? There's a bit of dialogue that Coop says up until 20 minutes ago you thought I was dead or something. I'm not sure why they would have thought that about him. That's the explanation. They had no idea he was still alive apparently. He also does have those flashes in the beginning of some kind of crash that he was in. He doesn't look much far off of the age from that crash either. Who knows the timeline of that? I had some comments about how I hate the strong word. I didn't like the I love you forever stuff. But Prado's comments have warmed me to those blinds. Just the time it takes. I don't know. I wouldn't go out into space for this mission. I don't think I could do it. If I was a great pilot, leaving your kids for, at the very least, he's going to leave her for 20 plus years. I don't know. Even if the project is successful, you're leaving for 20 plus years. It's not the silence. Joe Biden called you right now and said you had the podcast to save the world, but you're gone for 20 years. I will not be commenting on it. I will not be commenting further on that question. The silence in space like hell yes. No noise. No special audio. That's really to do it. So jarring to that scene where he gives him the earphones with the rain playing over. Yeah. And then you just see the shipping space. How did that guy not lose his mind being alone in that space? He did. Yeah, you're right. I mean, he was kind of weird before that, but he turned into a camera at the frog. I avoided years. I was like the very first line. He's like, I've waited years. And he just like looks oddly. He's probably been saying that to himself for 23 years. I'm waiting for himself for decade. He keeps on this. He probably waking up every couple of years. Okay. This is the other thing. He was like, practicing line in front of a mirror. Is that them? No, no, no, no. Yeah. Trainer points out they came back, quote, I'm here. He does sound like. Man's planet just, I mean, how do you not start getting bad vibes as soon as you land on man's planet? Like it is essentially a nice castle. Like it. And that's the tell with the clouds. Like it looks serene. And then the immediate head fake is that you're flying into this beautiful cloud, cloud city, as one would say. And then it's more of like a hoth as the same person, potentially could say. And I remember being hung up on the fact that like, how did they not do any kind of readings, well, even in the atmosphere? But there's often a kind of crutch, maybe not a crutch, but like an explanation for that where like the data that's being sent is just not getting to them. And I guess that is an agreeable explanation where like you're in a different galaxy who the F knows how all this stuff is going to work in these atmosphere. They're too close to the black hole. Yeah. When he says when the right before the test rack closes, and he like does everything he needs to do, he's like, what happens now? And there's like that quick cut. That is that's a great line and scene. The crescendo of the organs. Oh, the organ's all melting away on a doggo walk today with my headphones, praying I wouldn't get hit by a car because I had noise cancellation running a six minute mile report dogs. So five stars for me. Oh, I'm viewing. Here we go. Here we go. We did it. Five stars. Yeah. I mean, here we go. I've harped on this show for many years. People change. People grow. They experience different things. It's five stars. Danny Europe. Yeah, I don't I don't have much more honorable mentions to say this is a five star movie for me. I think day one joining letter box. This is on my top four. It's still there. If you look, if you take my front page and you fold it and poke a hole through it on the other side of that, my letter box has a top four with an interstellar in it. It's it's it's it's one of my favorite movies all time. One of my favorite theater experiences of all time. I like to think of like there's some movies that just also you just do need a theater for them. And this was definitely one of them. And it's I mean, fitting into religious month. This is a religious experience all around for me. I love this film. Brodo. Some honorable mentions. I always I also always weep at the scene where they come out of the water planet and he's watching the videos. Of course, the recordings seeing the transition of his son, like, you know, over the course of just a few videos of him. Hey, met this girl. I think she's the one he's married. Here's the grandson. Then we see a video of like the grandson has died. And then Casey Affleck, which is like such a small role, but I love he has a line. He says, you're not listening to this. All these messages are just drifting out there in the darkness. And I but I think that there's like such a like even like that that whole thing about like love, like transcending time and space and gravity and that like even though you know, like they're sending these messages through this black hole and we know like when you send a message through space, I mean, it takes it takes light eight minutes from the sun to get to earth. So just like imagine, you know, you know, a wormhole at Saturn and then how far it has to go through there to get back to them. But the idea that like, you know, love, you can be connected at all times regardless of where you are in space. You know, there is no traveling that it needs to do. It's just it's permanent. There was another line they say near the end in order for a human to get anywhere. They must leave something behind. And then this time, I didn't notice it last time or I hadn't noticed it before. But just how when Cooper at the beginning says that he's going to go and follow the coordinates to find out what's there. And he's telling Murph that like, no, you can't come. It's too dangerous. And then of course, she sneaks with him. But how like that whole thing mirrors, you know, him eventually going, leaving her leaving her on the planet. So like the first time, he goes on this, you know, quote unquote dangerous mission because he doesn't know what he's going to find. She stinks in the truck with him and goes. But I like the idea that like in the, you know, when he goes in the space, he like carries her in his heart, you know, like making this promise that he's, you know, he's going to come back to her. So I thought like that's, you know, that's just really beautiful storytelling. The fact that I can, every time I watch this, I feel like I see something I hadn't seen before is amazing. Yeah, this is a five star movie from me of course. I say, you know, the Matrix is the movie that made me fall in love with movies, but Interstellar is like, I feel like it's the movie that's like changed me the most. Like this is my favorite movie of all time. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. I'm not sure that before. Okay. This is, yeah, I can, this is number one. If like I could only watch one movie for the rest of my life, this would be it. This is like my desert. 23 years alone. I mean, is this kind of, are you going to adjust your four phase? Because right now long goodbyes number one on your four phase. I've had this, well, like Danny, like I've had this in my four phase, you know, before and I mean the four faves at this point, you know, we're veterans on letterbox, you know, we're just trying to have fun over there, you know, we know we're done. Our top four is in our heart. Yeah, always in our love. Honorable mentions are and ratings for yes. A couple of honorable mentions that I just have to call out. It's not possible. No, it's necessary during the docking sequence. I don't know. I don't remember we call that might not specifically, but that is an all-timer right there delivery moment everything. That's one of them. Number two honorable mention and I just got to say this. Tofre grace pulling the crowbar out of the Jeep to threaten KV. Affleck. Oh, yeah. Insane. Sorry, so you're not winning that. Insane decision across the board. The fury in Casey Acla afflux case for the whole 10 minutes leading to that. Do we be asked Tofre grace walking out there with a crowbar like he's going to do something that's that's the biggest science fiction movie or this part of this whole movie. And then they cap off Tofre Grace's performance when Murph solves the equation does her Eureka and then kisses Tofre and it's like key. I was like, is that her husband? Like I like looking in because he looked confused as to why any of that should be exciting. So yeah, lots of Tofre grace honorable mentions because I think you can't do a you can't do this podcast without talking about Tofre Grace and everything about it. Okay. Yeah, those those are my honorable mentions you guys covered or we covered I think everything. Oh, sorry last one. Imagine your parents flying over your childhood bedroom through space and time. Would you allow this to happen? Yes or no? I think it's a good question. It's a good question. I would say no. Five stars, obviously. Yes. This this movie is a masterpiece. It is hands down Christopher Nolan's best movie over Dark Knight over somehow over tenant. I'm not really sure. But it is a perfect, perfect movie. Five stars big night. Twenty bang tonight for Interstellar. Did the art drop? Oh, there it is. Oh, can we talk about this art for a second? The art has dropped. God. What? Oh, my God. Goodness. I'm freaking real. Danny, walk us through this. Sure. Have you had this idea in your mind for a while or like how did this come to be? You know, one of two, two, two things that I love about science fiction, one, spacesuits. I'm a big fan of a good space suit. I think there's a great space suit in this movie. So highlighting Cooper's helmet. I love the look. But also this movie, every time I see the black hole, it sends me. I needed to focus on the black hole, Cooper, the ship. Oh, the ship in the years. I didn't even notice that you should have the ships there. If you look close, the Tesseract lines are dropping into the house. It's just there's this movie. Just I just love it. And I just needed to go a little bit harder this time. Yeah, you were for us. So yeah, this this and different style, one with an old Riso graph type of poster style. Had a great time working on it. Amazing. Absolutely amazing. Oh, boy. I'm glad everyone kind of likes it. Kind of like, did you see the fire emojis hitting that art at warp speed in the artwork channel? Amazing job. Thank you. And Casey, Danny, Danny told me I'd get one shipped out for free. So if you can. Sorry, your Wi-Fi is breaking up again. And we didn't hear what you said there. All right. So before we get to Danny's pick, we have some VMs and some letters to get to. You can drop those at 70 mm pod.com. There's links to our Gmail and V if you want to drop an actual old school VM, you can do that too. Let me pull up our let's see what we got here. All right. So let's see who's first. I think Dan, Dan left a VM. I think he also kind of warned me that Dan might have gotten emotional in this VM. So let's hear. Okay. Let me know in chat and everyone else if you don't hear something starting now. Hello. This is Kirby Dan from as I'm known as in the Discord server. I'm not quite sure how Interstellar is a, you know, fit into the religious theme, but maybe instinctually or maybe, you know, maybe kind of deep down. I know why it is because it fits for me this week because I am leaving my parents house. I've been sitting with them for the past few months. It's kind of silly to get emotional, but it's very tough, very tough leaving your family and there's that there's a scene in the movie that's hard not to think of where he's leaving him. Let it out, Dan. This was me watching the video for you. I might have asked you guys not to use this. I'm asking you to use this. No way. Totally. Just like the rest of us. Do it, Dan. And leave a family member and there's that very emotional scene that comes to mind in the movie. And, you know, it can be kind of embarrassing to get emotional, but I guess this one just goes at Susie and David. We love very much and who are very good parents. And, you know, maybe for everybody, listen up there. Just go call your parents this week or if you're in your near room, say hello. And, you know, I don't feel like I get emotional, but it just it really reminded me of the movie and how well the emotions are so well captured in that scene where Matt McConaughey has to leave home. And it's silly, but I just wanted to share. So, shout out to everybody listening and shout out to all the parents and to all the kids up there. So, yeah, excited for the episode this week. Shout out to Dan and Dan's parents. Dan, it's never silly. I mean, if you listen to this podcast, the amount of times I've cried on this show. Join me. Join us. Let it out. It's a safe space. We're here for you. We're all humans. Emotional beings, baby. I love transcends. Absolutely does. Let's see. Who else is on our list? I think we have someone. Let's see. Brad. 70 millimeter pod. Brad from New Jersey. All the months again. See, you're doing interstellar. Gotta say, all the Nolan films he has, I put this as number four behind Dunkirk, Rock Knight, and Fristi, but more importantly, this film works so much because it hinges on that performative scene of Matthew McConaughey crying when his kids are growing up looking at that video screen. As a dad, that scene alone makes this entire movie work. That and obviously, the phenomenal performance by Mr. Michael Kane. That being said, I have one last thing to say to you. Of this, mankind was born on earth. It was never meant to die here. Go gentle, that good night, gentlemen. Go gentle. Come on. God. Preach. Brad, how'd you feel with your boy, Michael Kane, in this scene delivering so many vital speeches, emotional ones? I mean, Michael Kane, he always delivered, actually, Tom's, I have Michael here with me now. Oh, he's here. Michael. Yeah. So, yeah, he's, I was going to let him share the final words, so we'll save it for the end, but holy moly. Save it, Michael. Wish you would have told us we were going to have Michael Kane on the show tonight. It's kind of a big get. I wanted to be a surprise. Okay. Wow. I would wear a tweed jacket. Do you own a tweed jacket? I would have. I didn't know. Rucking fought and sold tweed jackets. Prote You want to do one? A chicken parm. All right. Let's see. Brad. Wait. Now we heard from Brad. Andy, Andy's up next. So you're doing it. Stop talking Brad. Brad, Brad, please. Right down over there. Where do you heard? You had your chance. Let's hear from Andy. Hey, what's up? It's Andy calling from Orlando. Just wanted to share my thoughts on this week's movie. You guys are talking about Interstellar and I just absolutely love this movie. I gave it a five star banger. Five bang. It's just, it's just so good. The score, the performances, the visuals, I mean, so gorgeous, holy cow. So, so, so good. And I got to say, this is the first time watching this movie since becoming a father and it just hits differently. It absolutely just hits differently for some reason. And so I was actually watching it with my oldest Olivia leaning up against me and me holding baby girls, Rose of my other daughter on my lap. Yeah. And it was just, it was just, I was an emotional rag. So I love the movie. And I know a lot of people, you know, their struggles with it maybe is the science or the logic behind it. Listen, just let it go. Just let it go. You don't understand it. I don't understand it. It's love, man. It's love. That's all you need. It's love. Love you guys. Bye. If anyone in this chat or on Twitter ever said they want to come at us, do it. I will ban you from Twitter. I have verified. I have a blue check. I haven't even delved into the fact that Ian is a paying member of Twitter blue lining the pockets of Elon Musk. I don't need to say anything more than that. Sometimes you got to do what you got to do. Okay. I'll leave it at that. Okay. Each understand. Speaking of Twitter blue, I was a guest on DunePod. By this, I think this is dropping the same day. A guest on DunePod to talk about roller ball with Jason and our, both dear friends of ours and H. And I don't know if it's going to stay in the final show, but I put H's feet to the fire for his support of Twitter blue. Oh, yeah. Finally. So listen to that. You want to hear his? Someone has to hold these Twitter blue subscribers to some sort of fire and I'm glad you're doing it. Slope. Thank you. Thank you. There are other verification services out there that don't have that kind of scarlet letter that Twitter blue has. I'm not sure if anyone else saw the Instagram launched verification. Oh, nothing wrong with us. I mean, you're not supporting the kind of hateful rhetoric that one CEO ascribes you. I won't mention any names. So you know, use that how you will. I'm so not sure which one you're talking about. Have you ever seen Zuckerberg speak? He might be the robot from Interstellar. God, he is not human. We have some letters to get to. Let's hear from Andrew. Subject line, Interstellar DeGaud month. Oh, Andrew writes, when I first saw Interstellar, I was near the front row of an IMAX theater. Oh my God. Sounds terrible. While this made for an overwhelming experience, it overwhelmed me in a good way. There's something about the buildup to the black hole from where I was sitting. It felt like I was about to be pulled into that black hole with them. You've got to give no one flowers for knowing how to evoke sensations of this scale and for his ability to get us to believe what is in front of our eyes. But every time I come back to this movie, it's the first quieter act on earth that I'm drawn further into. There's something bittersweet about the natural lighting here, the kitchen, the dust, the fields. Watching a small community endure in an environment that's falling apart, this film only gains relevance with each watch. Nearly nine years later, Interstellar feels less about what awaits us in the future and more about what we still have in the present. And that comes from Andy Zannem in the discord. Great letter. Fantastic. I can't imagine sitting in the front row of an IMAX theater. I might head to Fandango for a refund after that. You know, drama man. Your plug would be to read me. Would you ever sit in the front row of an IMAX theater for a $15 to $30 movie? I'd probably have to drive right to my chiropractor after. A final letter this week. Subject line in exists. Howdy. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm going to read the letter. Hello. You're recording right now and I just had a thought. Is the reason the Tomorrow War is a banger because of Interstellar. Thank you for being open, honest, and vulnerable. It's all we could ask for for Holy Month. Exo Ev. Thank you. The Tomorrow War, I can confirm. That's a banger of a movie with Chris Pratt. You hear that four stars? Yeah. What did I get that? I died four bang. I don't know if I started. We really do. We're going to be in the movie. Listen, Chris Pratt, you know, he's much maligned these days. I don't have anything to add to that. I'm just a statement that I'm going to let clip. No other comments to add to that. Whoa. Hold on a second. I'm seeing the Tomorrow War II. Oh my God. This is half the day after Tomorrow War. He's had a big deal with Amazon. I feel like he's had three movies drop on Amazon that no one has heard of or watched. He might even have a series on Amazon. He just had a movie drop today, the Mario movie. Have you guys covered Jurassic World? Oh, God. Some of us don't want to look back on that era of episodes when we watched all the dark time for us. Those Trevor Rose. All right. It's time. I mean, we're at one hour 52. What's the record? It's like 157 or something. I think it might be doing it. I don't know. We dropped down on the planet. Someone's treasured. It's turned the longest episode ever. But it's time for Danny's pick. I told you last week that my pick kind of hinged on what you picked, Slim. And it really did because there's no way we could have done the movie I wanted back to back with Interstellar. And it's funny because I wrote you in DMs that I said, I might need to take up this next pick with legal. And we have legal here with us this week. And he was the one I was going to have to DM because 2001 space odyssey is in the hopper for synonauts. There's no way we can do Interstellar 2001 back to back. That's not a thing. We can't do that here. Even though 2001 is more religious than Interstellar. But let's listen to him. Our both opens with you. That starts. You don't know what's happening right now. Let me take off my Kermit podcast guest hat and put on my legal astronaut, Sin About Hat. I'll approve this. I don't know. It's like he's already moved on from that. It's not happening. We'll find a better time in place for 2001. Because my second pick was your pick, Slim. The last temptation of Christ. Oh, yes. So we are going 1988 Martin Square Saezy, the last temptation. Our namesake for the month. And this was I mean, the thing is I've wanted to do this as long as you have for the show, Slim. And I thought you were picking it. And I was going to do 2001. But you did sci-fi. So I'm bringing Jesus into the picture. For our holy month. Jesus is back on 78th. William's body in this whole movie. The final hour Jesus is coming. Yes, finally. Sorry, I got to workshop that. Yeah. So I'm really excited to do this movie. Criterion streaming, etc. Wow. It's on prime video right next to probably crazy. That's filmography on Amazon. Is this the first watch for you, Danny? It's a first watch. Yeah. Oh, this is funny. I've known of the title and I assumed it was just some religious movie that I wanted to avoid for whatever reason, my baggage. But when it was brought up early on in the podcast, I was like, Oh, maybe this is something I could get into. So this is the right time for this film. I didn't want to miss it because we can we'll find another time for 2000. Yeah, there's believe me. Episode 200 right around the corner. God, unless we do a Dafoe month, then we're a free you'll do you'll do 2001 during Dafoe month. Famously, how's 9,000? What a pick. He's the bone that they throw in the air. What a friggin pick. Peter Gabriel on the soundtrack. Hold on. Track score. Who knows? Whatever. It's actually like, I was like, Oh, go go go. Kitell's Bear ass and Harvey Kitell's body in this movie. I mean, every dude's body. This dude there. They're eating potatoes from us. David Bowie in this movie. Urban version. God, am I buying the criterion right now? Have the blue ray. This is a great pick. I'm so excited. Harry Dean stands and back in our sites for this podcast. Can you the artwork for this is going to be put up in the bloody. It's going to be bloody. Oh my God. Just it's just it's just be Dafoe's abs zoomed in with blood trickling down from his head. All right. I also made an announcement. Nothing to add to that other. I did announce, believe it or not, I announced our final guest for the month. We had teas that we were going to be getting a big get for the final week of this month. This is a five week month, four week month, whatever. One of those things. It's not Jesus, but we got the next best thing. Did you imagine? I wanted to have this guest on for Avatar. I thought that would have been an amazing conversation. Jason from Dune pod will be our guest for the final week of this month. And Jason has the pick. Jason gets to pick the final movie. He has showed us some suggestions. He has not chosen yet, but we're finally going back to the Dune pod to get the other half. We haven't had the second half. Miller's crossing for those who haven't gone back far enough. I wouldn't blame them for not going back to listen to that episode. Movie is overrated in my opinion at the time. Maybe my opinion has changed. That's true. For the years, you never know. You are a father now. What if Jason picks Dune again? I swear to God, if he get you a badge, I will cancel Twitter blue, Jason. If you pick Dune, this is my promise to you. I will join you in the revolution. So dumb. All right. This is a great episode with Ian and thanks for coming back on. We all miss the podcast, the synonauts you've journeyed through the criterion to gather on that podcast and a little bit of a break. I think the people are ready. Ketchup and I and boom. Boom is currently out of the country that is not K-Fabe. She is literally out of the country for a little bit. I've been busy, new job. Kid is getting older and more of excuses. A lot of stuff. We are actively conversing. We're not canceling. We've had this conversation. I think it's actively looking to sell. We might know Dune Pod might be looking to actively acquire any potential assets from a podcast that is going into hiatus. But thanks for that huge update on the synonauts actively conversing. That's exciting. The conversing aspect of a podcast offline. Very exciting. But that is this week, Prado. Do you have any closing thoughts as we get ready for the last temptation of Christ next week? Yeah. I was able to reach out to Michael and ask him to come into the studio. Michael, sorry for having you wait this whole time. But would you mind coming over? Yeah. Just come up to the mic and do the thing. Yeah. I asked him some great lines in this. I figured that he could do one of the lines. I feel like it was the most appropriate way to end the show. Here's Michael. Michael Kane. Welcome to the show. Do not go gentle. It's that good guy. Old rage should burn and rage is that close of time. Rage. Rage against the eye of the light. That is Michael. Michael Kane. Thank you so much for coming to New Jersey to deliver that outro. We'll see everybody next week. Streaming on Amazon Prime, the last temptation of Christ by Martin Scorsese. 70 millimeter is a tape deck production featuring original artwork provided by Danny Haas. Spiritual guidance and feature the robot who loves movies provided by Pertilexis, producer at large Dale Underscore. Transcripts provided by Sophie Shin and music composed by Cinemmatric. Prince and other merch are available on 70mmpod.com. This episode was mixed, edited, and produced by me, slim. 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