Jaws: The Revenge (1987)

Hey it's your old pal slim and this is 70 millimeter a podcast for film lovers just like you every Monday i chat about recently watched movies with my close friend and artist Danny Haas. And our close friend and movie insider prolexus what you that's a great point about him nearly killing and you know what these private. Planes there's a ton of them that crash every every year i'm not gonna give anyone the numbers you look up yourself but it happens a lot. And this is why also joining us this week dale are producer at large and host of the baton spider podcast to say that taboo is the only. Exrated video hiding behind my bookshelf right now would be a lie the theme that will guide our episodes this month is made the fourth we can only choose the fourth movie. In a franchise to talk about later in this episode that means we're talking about jaws the revenge can a woman and shark be psychically linked. Let's find out together. The. The. The. The. The. the. the. the. the. the. the. The. It's been a year. It's been a whole year. I haven't checked the numbers, but I have a feeling it's been a year since we did a Jaws episode. It's tradition on this podcast since we started. Every summer we go by the beach, we kick off our shoes, we open up our Pina coladas and we sit around a fire. We talk about a Jaws movie, the four of us, the fourth horseman of this podcast. Doing the four horseman of the camera. Just for those at home, we are doing the horseman hang to each other. The producer of this show, he's been here since week three. Always at our side. He's in the booth. He's crunching the numbers. He's moving dials up and down. Dale, producer at large, Emeritus. Welcome back. Tim Slim, pro, Danny. Thank you for having me back. It's a pleasure to be on this side of the glass once more. You guys should come in the room every once in a while. We got one of those new boards where if I move one slider, like six other sliders move at the same time. I don't know what it's called, but my guy told me is the best. Thanks for having me back. I love the idea of like, Dale having an audio engineer rep that comes in once a month. It's like when I go to my barber, there's always like some kind of razor rep that pops in every so often. Renting razors. You never seen this? Yeah. Every sometimes I go in there that he comes in. He's like, yeah, I need a X, Y, and Z and he like gets new blades or something. Just can't be real. This is real. No, it's not a brick. Yeah, it's like instead of owning a Frito-Lay route, it's like you have a route of like lasers that you rent to barbers and stuff. Yeah, it's a big thing. I don't go there all the time because it's kind of expensive. Going to these fancy places. Can we ask? Is it a safe space to ask how much people pay for the haircut? Dale's eyes just shot across the room. What do you think the going rate is, proto, for a cut, a trim? Well, there's tears for this thing, right? There's bottom of the rung. If you want to get your hair chopped, you can probably get your hair chopped for 10, 15 bucks. Yeah, you can great clips yourself. $12. I don't know. It sports clips like an equivalent as well. I don't know. But there's a few of them out there, right? Kids cuts. But then I think for any grown adult, it seems like at this point, it's like 30, 40 bucks. Yeah. Right? That's what I'm occasionally putting down. Or sometimes I pay 20 bucks, 10 to the cut, 10 tip. My boy's son down the street. You got it, and I get what I get with that cut is what I'm saying. Could be good. Maybe I cut everything off when I get home because I don't like how it looks in the morning. Not that that's happened in the last month. I think I'm around 50, 50 to 60. 50 to 60. Is that a beer drink, though? You getting cleaned up? Yeah. I got straight edged. I get that's I get cleaned up, shaped or slathered. You know that you know that scene in Peter Pan when Captain Hook gets the hot towel on his face. Yeah. Yeah. I get that little back massage. But Danny's beard post shape up, please name something hotter on this realm and needs it a little bit right now. It's coming out of it. Michael Kane, Hoggi in Jaws the Revenge. That's that could be at the same level as Danny. Did he have a beard? When I get back, remind me for time. I'm right. She's a ball, bro. Uh, enough haircut talk. Just a reminder, Jaws the Revenge is our main course tonight. We're going back to end this once and for all with Dale. We have a tradition. You can go back to our previous episodes. We've covered them all. Most recent one, Danny produced 3D art confirmed to be the only one in the business, the podcast business to produce 3D art. We did it. But Dale, you know, we were talking to Dale. We're having fun here on the podcast. Dale is also not just our producer. He's not also cutting deals with the local audio engineer. He also does his own podcast, Bat and Spider with a close personal friend of ours, Chuck Forsman, Bat and Spider firing on all cylinders right now as we know. You cover the filth. You cover the low budget. Grime. You cover some John Waters. Yeah. Just had your hundred one hundred and fiftieth episode. Well, I mean, guys, for you to be our biggest cheerleaders, it's, it's a humbling and flattering. Can I just say, in all seriousness, you know, I like to yuck it up every once in a while, but to have you guys constantly rooting for us and supporting us, it's amazing. And the community that we've sort of like glommed on to, you know, and maybe siphon some off some of some of some of our people here in chat. I want to thank everybody. It feels good. Sometimes I feel like, you know, we're not filthy enough. Sometimes we're just like stumbling, stubbing our toes into like just movies, you know, and it's like, what are we doing to differentiate ourselves? I just had like an image of like 70 millimeter being like a fish tank. And then bat and spider is like that. You ever clean a fish tank with like, you create like a siphon and then you like pull up the gravel and it just like pulls all the gunk and all the slime out of there. You guys siphon off that part. Yeah. We're going to start getting aquarium cleaning videos in our album. Now you also do like some supporter only episodes on a coffee. Has there only ever been one adult film covered on bat and spider in the history of the show? Has there ever been more? When's the next one happening? Oh, for the folks. I mean, for the folks, let's put it out there. Okay. This is a safe space. I watch the movie taboo where a mother and son intertwined. Very, very taboo. It was sexier than you imagine if I make, but you want to? I mean, you I don't know. I don't know when I'm going to do another one. It's been a while. And you know what? Look, the pandemic hit everybody differently. Okay. But to say that taboo is the only X rated video hiding behind my bookshelf right now would be a lie. But I blame these boutique companies. Yeah, get them. You know, criterion. These companies, criterion at all. You know, you put a nice cover on it and you charge me $35 and I'm probably going to buy it because I'm a sucker. Texas chainsaw getting re-released every 60 minutes by these blue, right? It just makes me sick. They're just passing around the rights. These things. So the way they, you know, they butter up and they talk about these classic pornos, you know, instant buy by your old pal Dale. I listened to a couple guys talk about how like how they remastered it and they got us some commentary by K Parker. Yeah, I'm giving me where do I sign up for the $39.99. A dish is pretty cheap considering some of the prices of these places. 35 bucks. Yeah. Well, you know, it's like the halfway to Halloween halfway to Black Friday sale coming up on vinegar syndrome. So it's we got a couple big weekends coming up. Yeah, vinegar syndrome is app allowing in-app purchases on iOS. That was a big mistake for me. Seeing, you know, Apple pay. I can buy some $40.00. Brett Hart wrestling with shadows Blu-ray with a click of a button. It's like free money. Yeah. Do they have the sting wrestling with Robocop episode capital punishment? No, you can watch that on YouTube though. And I don't want to watch it on YouTube. He's the price of a haircut for. You can watch Robocop and Sting walk to the ring together. All right. So that's just a taste of what's happening at bat and spider. By all means subscribe and listen. But we have to say hello to let's see. Where's my notes at with say hello to Jean who joined our Patreon this week got access to the VHS Village discord discounts on Danny's prints. And we just had our fish called Wanda episode pushed out to supporters that reminds me I got to socialize that artwork on our Instagram. So you can join as well. Prado. Prado, what movies did you watch this week? What's the top of your list you want to talk about? Well, you know, I went on a kind of a run this week because I've been meaning to do this for a bit. Every time I look at my letterbox page, they will show you I think there's like six different lists. And it will show you your completion percentage. Oh, God. You know, so that's like the letterbox 200 250 top narrative movies as the AFI list, the best Oscar best picture winners. And it'll tell you how many you've watched. So I always look at that page and I see that I've never I haven't completed any of them. So I feel like at this point in my life, you know, I've become kind of like a movie watching the generate. So, you know, where it's like I'm looking at a list and it's like, you know what, why don't I just finish one of these lists just so I could say I could. So, you know, I'm I am up looking at percentages, counting movies. And the one that seemed most reasonable was the AFI list. I had like, I think it's 100 movies had like 48 to go. I was like 48. Wow. Hey, that's the same. This ain't too bad. Yeah. So I it made it kind of easy in terms of what I was going to watch. So I for this journey, I watched the searchers, starring John Wayne, John from 1956. I watched the Charlie Chaplin, City Lights. I watched Sydney Lumet's network. People will shut up about this movie. Right. I only watched it, put it to rest. I watched the graduate Dustin Hoffman. My goodness. Yeah. So I got those I got four out of the way. And it was just so easy because, you know, I don't have to even really think too much about it. Looking at my watch list. What am I going to watch? It's like, I got a job to do network sounds like a movie that age would bust in like the Kool Aid man. Honestly, when I said the word network, his his face like flash in my mind. But yeah, of these movies that I've watched so far, that is my favorite. You know, I've heard people talk about this forever. And it's just one of those. It's a set, you know, 1976, just amazing script, great dialogue from actors just giving it incredible performances. And I wasn't expecting the story where it went. So that's that's my pick of the week. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. I'm at 64% for the AFI list. Just looked my own stats on letterboxed. AFI. I'm at 39%. She's Oh, God. Work to do. Maris. Well, you were doing some work. You just watched this thing. Listen, I went on a rabbit hole when we when I watched Jaws 4, I was looking at just people on lists. And I realized I had not seen, I mean, obviously Robert Shaw is not in jobs for, but I realized I hadn't seen anything else that Robert Shaw was in. Quint. And then the sting popped up and it's been a movie I'd wanted to see because it's Robert Redford, it's Paul Newman, both of them looking incredible in this film. And it's about just cons and heists and these con men's and it's a great story. It's really fun. It's a long movie. I think I think I'd probably give it five stars if it wasn't so long. It's a little bit long, but it's one of those movies that it's in the 70s that I'm feeling like proto is probably onto something about loving the 70s. Technicolor, Paul Newman's eyes look incredible in this film. There's a train scene, there's poker, there's horse betting, it's just cons all around. And it's a lot of fun. It's a really fun movie. And Robert Redford and Paul Newman are kind of at the top of their game with it. But I haven't seen a lot of Paul Newman either. So I think he's I'm going to travel down that road for a bit. His redemption since what was that movie? Watch you did color of money. I still can't get over your reaction. Paul Newman. I am so boring. Like whatever. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You brought it up. I feel sick just thinking about it. Cut all this out. Yeah. What do you think about Danny's reaction to color of money? Yeah. Yeah. I was jarring. It was jarring, but everybody loves what they love. You know, it's nice because you're looking right at me. Let it out. Might have been the pre pre show. It's just our private conversation, but I said I had a bombshell to drop about Dale. I just I just remembered it. I forgot. I forgot. Yeah, you were about that. I forgot. But you know, love what you love. Dale hasn't logged a movie on Letterbox since March. Oh my since March, March. I know you're watching though. I need to get. Yeah. I want to get inside your psyche. You know, you're a busy guy. It's going to be like a Thursday and 15 logs drop in from Dale. Just drop in all the logs at a time. Feet falling asleep. I got so many. Let's hear it. What's happening over there at the old Dale house? You know, it's a it's a slippery slope because, you know, I watch these movies and then, you know, I got to I feel like I got to do my review justice. And then I put it off and I put it off. You know, I got some I got some ones in in the queue and in the old up here queue. He's pointing to his head. You know, John Wick for Dungeons and Dragons movie. I got all my bat and spider movies. I need to log. Nice. Like what am I doing? I but now it's like how do I overcome? How do I how do I get back in? That's kind of where I'm at that stage now where I don't how do I break back in? It's just hard for me to do that. You know, so is it like the pressure to write a review? I try to just sometimes I just rate movies. People attack me. I get attacked. If I just log a movie without a like a review. Yeah, well name names. Deservely. Tech. So there you go. I, you know, I feel bad not doing that, but now I'm just like one liner. Oh, yeah, this is good. Yeah. Like stars. Sometimes that's just enough. That's just enough sometimes. Maybe we need a letterbox assistant. Yeah. Do we need to get you a secretary to like that? You can just you can just, you know, they can transcribe your thoughts to review. What's our friend art who proposed this month's theme? Yeah. Can he can he help at all? Because I just kind of text art like a blurb. Yeah. Audio mamos. People, that's what people are doing now. They send audio memos as texts. Maybe they send down an audio memo or art an audio memo. I noticed that I have a couple old friends, you know, like I'll, I'll react to their Instagram story and then they'll send me like a voice memo and I want to crawl into a hole. What is going on? Someone, I know sent me a three minute of voice text the other day. What's the first time usually a Texas person, but then they said they were driving. So I'm just going to send you this voice memo and I was like, Oh, this is it. I'm officially now getting voice memos. I'm part of the zeitgeist. You're in of 2023. Welcome to the resistance. Welcome to getting your voice to be heard, but not on a phone call. To be honest, if it's not a phone call, I'm still pretty happy with a voice memo. You know, you're not calling me, you know, and I can just listen to this at my leisure, like a text. I'm fine with it. I mean, a three minute, a three minute voice memo though. Right. It's a lot to remember, it's longer than a voice mail in the show. Yeah. So that's true. That's something to think about. You can barely sit through those. Fancy. Let's see. Anything else you want to talk about? I saw this is this is. Trevigo. Here we go. We're all friends here. Okay. Family. We are family, say it. Brothers in arms locked in. I saw fast acts Monday. Did you hear the story that there? It's not actually not going to be fast. Eleven's not the last one. There's there. The company's talking them into doing a trilogy. Why fast acts trilogy? I just fast. That's part two, fast acts, part three. But I saw this. I went to a, it was like one of those radio screenings. Again, I talked about ice. How is it? Karaoke. What movie did I see that? Karaoke. Oh, Guardians. Now there was no karaoke. I got there. Casey Boyer. Casey Boy at WMR. There was no karaoke, but I got there early. Get some good seats in the press section. Lucky enough to get a screening invite. But I started to get bad vibes right off, right at the onset. Because the people behind me, we're talking about their podcast. They're talking about how they can now stream live to Twitter and LinkedIn. And they're like excited about this. And I'm like, Oh, God, get me out of here. Why don't you want to hear this? And it's some, you know, it's some kind of nerdery pod. You know, nerds, some nerds in the title. They're out there. I'm a nerd. We're all nerds. I wonder nerd asterisk. It's probably like nerd city nerds. Nerds in the city. That's actually not bad. Nerd a Delphia. That's actually yeah. So, but the thing is like, fast X is not for me. It's fine. I'm glad people enjoy it. It's two and a half star movie. Fast 10. But the like, it's like this communal thing now where like that row and the row next to me were laughing at the top of their lungs, you know, doing one line or is it after the kind of wild scenes and coming up with like a line that would make the row laugh or like anyone who's in your shot. Think like, Oh, that was pretty good. Like, Oh, that's a pretty cool line. Like, but that was the whole frickin movie. It's two and a half hours. I'd like, I don't want to hear the zany-ness. I'm not in your living room. Like we're not friends. Like, it's just enough. Is it like the you think it's the privileges of the press? Do you think they possess this? I don't know. I mean, they had they had to hold road of themselves sick. Like, I guess they're all I don't know if they have 12 people on this podcast for God's sake, but where they just invited the friends. But it was it was brutal. I would have rated the movie higher head and not just have such a terrible experience. Oh, you hate to see it. So that's that's my fast X review. Jason Imo, having the time of his life in this movie, I'll say that much. He's amazing. Good. He's a, he's a, he's just played this character for the next several. Maybe from the trailer. It looks like it's every character is ever played. It's like, yeah, it's like a mixture of like the Joker slash low bow slash Aquaman slash any personal Drogo. Yeah, pretty much the role he was born for himself. All right. So we got to get into our movie here. Jaws the revenge. 1987 for the fourth movie in this franchise, the theme, the monthly theme is almost over. We're only doing movies the fourth one in the franchise next week is our last one. And this is the last one for Jaws. This is it. This is it. Right. There's no five. They didn't continue. But I'm aware of. 20, there's a spiritual Jaws five spiritually. Okay. So next, next summer is booked that spiritual cross the plane, the spiritual plane to Jaws five spiritual. Seize them down. Yeah. I think you guys would get a kick out of it. It's bad. That's actually pretty good idea. Spiritual sequel month. Pertile. What is Jaws the revenge? It's Christmas on Amity Island and Ellen and Sean Brody are preparing for a wonderful holiday together. But out there in the water, there is a shark with one thing on its mind. Revenge. When Sean Brody has to perform a routine log removal from a buoy in the bay, vengeance strikes dismembering Sean Brody before finally finishing him off. Grieving, Ellen is convinced to spend time in the Bahamas with her son Michael and his family. But the shark's not done. Its revenge is not yet satisfied and it follows Ellen through their force connection. Only one of them will get out of this gauntlet alive. Jaws the revenge. That was my brother. Dale, where were you the first time you saw Jaws the revenge? Man, I was definitely under 10. I saw it on TV. I didn't go to the movies or anything. See this movie. But I remember being petrified seeing this movie. But this might have been the first Jaws movie I'd ever seen. And I watched this repeated times before I'd ever seen another Jaws movie. Oh my gosh. Because it was probably right after the release. So it was probably all over cable at the time. I was probably at my dad's because he had the cool channels. We were paying for the paid channels at my house. Dad's house. Yeah. So yeah, I remember being terrified and a little boy, a little man eight or nine. When this come out, 87. I kind of plots when I was like, wow, 87. I can't believe we were just still into the 80s. Because I remember being like cognizant of this movie being on TV. And I was just like, wow, that's way too long ago for me to cope. Can't cope with that. Now, I don't think I have to ask Danny or Prado anything about like, maybe you were aware of this because we had did listen back to our previous episodes on Jaws today, which was a lot of fun. But Danny, I would presume that you had never seen this before. No, no, no, no, never seen this. And I don't think until I realized there was a three that I knew there was a four that never got around to it because I don't know. It didn't look interesting, I guess. Just didn't care enough. I don't know. It wasn't for me. All I knew was that there was a Jaws movie that took place in the Bahamas. But I didn't know which one it was. And I had never seen it. Yeah, I'm I think in our Jaws 2 episode, we had talked about like the wiki said that like an abandoned plot was that she would be the lead in the second one, I think. Or and then I think we kind of like all remarks that would have been a good idea. So like when I saw the poster of this one, like this is so, this is rated so low on Letterboxed, but it's like Alan as the lead. So I remember I was like, in treatment, I was like, can it be that bad? Because you kind of like almost want there to be a Jaws movie where she's the lead, where like her family has just like been torn apart by sharks. She's trying to like make amends. Absolutely. Make amends with the shark. I mean, just like, you know, settle, just settle it, get together in the water and settle it, hash it out and come back home. So we'll go around the room. We'll talk about three things or if we exhaust everything, we'll just skip to our album mentions in our round table format, which I'm sure we will. But we'll start with our guest. Dale, what's the first thing you want to bring up on this viewing of Jaws the revenge? It's a lot of pressure, by the way. I mean, I'm sure you guys handle it well, but like by the time somebody comes around and scoops up one of your points, like, I'm in complete disarray. You guys handle it well. I think with Rocky 4, you guys did amazing with it. Actually, yes, speaking of Rocky 4, what do you think of proto's thoughts on the soundtrack of Rocky 4? Him taking just a steamer on the soundtrack entirely. I can't. If I took a steamer on it, I was just calling your love and devotion for the soundtrack. I was calling that out a little bit. So you were taking a steamer on me, not the music? That's more like it. My apologies. I mean, yeah, because there's pop songs. I mean, there's pop songs of rock songs. Yeah, all day. It was in my head. As soon as I listened to the episode, I was listening to the singles. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Let's get down to it. Please. We know, you know, overall, not a good movie, but to open this movie in a New England coastal island town at Christmas time, name a better city. Name a better town at better time of year. Thank you. This shark attack while the Christmas carol is going simultaneously, like that's like the framework for an excellent movie. Like it's crazy. Steven Spielberg was kicking himself. I'm so sorry. I don't even know what I would think of Christmas in in Amity or any town like that. Like I don't even have a concept of what that would be like. Does it get cold? I don't know. There's still on the ground. Oh, it's freezing there. It's really. I don't really. Oh my God. What are you? I mean, what do you do in the winter in Amity? Don't these people like isn't there an association of people leave town? Yeah, they go elsewhere. Snowbirds. How do you support yourself in anime in the winter? You just save up for the first part of the year and then you run your VHS store. Okay. Yeah, we do. We're watching movies as they're held up. That's why you know, that's why you can't have shark attack in the summer time. So you're so you can save up in the summer. When times are lean in the winter and then you paint and decorate lobster traps for Christmas. Right. I think it was I can't remember who said him. I don't know. It was throw bridge or J whale, but in there in someone's review, they said like, do I even want to start the discussion that Jaws the Revenge is a Christmas movie? Is that is that is the world ready for that question? As Sean's Sean did not die for this to not be a Christmas movie. Right. Sean Brady did not sacrifice his life. This point his death in this movie. This is like one of my main points so we can just move around. But I feel like the deaths in this movie are the most brutal in the entire franchise. Like Sean's death and the girl getting eaten on the little sea hot dog, whatever the hell they were riding. Yeah. Like if I were a little Dale watching this at eight or nine, I would have been warped not touching the water. I mean, I barely even want to touch the water now, but even then like I would never go near an anamity seeing this movie as a kid. And as an adult now, I was frightened by the murders by the shark in this movie. The banana boat scene has stuck with me. Yeah. Brody getting his arm ripped off. This is the first shark attack. He is completely dismembered by the shark. How's the shark even pull off this move? I want to know too. A lot of like, I needed better footage of these attacks. First of all, it's like there's like a splash and then his arm is gone. And I wanted to see what happens in between. But that was so brutal. Him just bleeding out there in the boat. It looked like while they were filming, the shark hit the camera and they just kept it. The camera was just falling all over the place in the boat. There's like, we'll keep that shot. Speaking of like the horror aspect of it, I felt like the soundtrack reminded me of Nightmare on Elm Street too. Like the soundtrack felt weird for the movie. I don't know. Maybe I'll drop it in here, but I just added to like the horror aspect of it. I don't know. I thought that that was pretty frightening. It's a really great score. It's actually a lot of people love the score. And even if they hate the movie, like the guy, I forget the guy who did it, but he did a great job with the score of this Goblin. It was the Fabio Fabrizio version of Goblin. Michael Small. Did Marathon Man. That's all I know from his movies. Danny, what's the first thing you want to talk about? I would like to talk about Michael Kane. And I would like to talk about the fact that the Brody's just lost Sean. And they've already lost Roy, the father, Sheriff Brody. Michael Kane knows dives the plane with the entire Brody family. And almost wipes out the entire Brody lineage in one fell. Oh my God. I'm just baffled by the. The fact that they're escaping the death of a one and they're going to kill them all. He's going to kill them all flying a plane like that. But also Michael Kane in this movie, I was just shocked that he was even in it. And he's just telling stories like I feel like I saw him tell a story in one of the Batman movies about the people with the stones or something. I don't know. It was wild to see him in this. And then I'm reading, he missed winning an Oscar for filming this film. He missed accepting the Oscar award for filming, John's four. Oh my God. I'm just baffled by him in this film. His drip though. That's my own look. That'd be my. That white linen suit. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. I would, I would attend a junk canoe festival in that outfit. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Well, yeah. I mean, that's a great point about him nearly killing. And you know what? These private planes, there's a ton of them that crash every, every year. I'm not going to give anyone the numbers. You can look them up yourself. But it happens a lot. And this is why these guys doing stuff like this, the Joker's. But I will say, my first point is, I mean, old Hogue, live in the friggin dream. Yes. Imagine being a private jet pilot based in the Bahamas. We had another episode where someone was a helicopter pilot. And I was like, that's the best job in the world. But maybe this is, maybe Hogue has it figured out in this movie. Yeah. How is he not getting his license revoked for landing a plane on the ocean though? My God, the way he landed that at the end. Emergency. Emergency. Emergency landing protocols. He was, that's in the training. Space one. Say it as possible, girlfriend. I mean, he screws that landing up. They're dead. One false move, wing getting torn asunder coming into the cockpit, decapitating everybody. But he nails it because he's Hogue. Michael Kane, Hogue. And then he juice the crap out of the shark. How did he get out of there? I don't know. Can we get an explanation? His reaction was top training moment when he said, Oh, shit. With the shark. Oh, my God. I suggest you're all the same. Yeah, I liked Michael Kane in this. I liked almost everybody with the exception of maybe Mary of Ann Peoples and the Brody son. Where the hell is his name was? Bierdo. Last star fighter himself. Was it? Yeah. That's. Oh, wow. Lance guest. You didn't like him. I thought he was okay. Maybe I had an issue with his character. Like this was one of my honor mentions, but your mother comes to town to live with you because she's been just destroyed by a shark shark attacks rather than tired adult life. And she wants him to stop working on water. Just please get another job. And he's always arguing with her. I'll wear him. I'll be like, just, I just listened to it and not react like, yeah, whatever. Okay. You want me to stop my job working water? The shark comes to the Caribbean. He tells nobody. Yeah. This is this is the most important moment in the history of your life. Now, after everything has gone on, you're going to keep a secret and you're going to study the shark. Like his wife's reaction. Yeah. When she finds out like, you know, you didn't tell us that shark was here. They're divorced. It's over for them. Why would you ever marry it? Like stay with this goober and keep this secret. Idiot. Yeah. I see. How does he keep his marine biology license without saying there's a 25 foot shark in the Caribbean? Great wife. Someone needed to make a citizen's arrest at that moment. Yeah. I mean, I think he owes it to the marine law. Yeah. So report that. So, you know, we could have top men like researching this. This top man slim, you brought it up that the reaction from his wife is the like so real. I mean, even when they're like swimming back to shore and they're all bedraggled, he's still getting a divorce. Like his, he's ruined. Like he survived the shark attack, but to what end like he's gone for. Yeah. Yes. Right. Like this is the biggest moment in the in Caribbean marine law history that a great wake, that great white is living there and attacking people. Like this will be in the newspapers for decades. And then he lets it slip in front of his wife and daughter. I didn't think he would be a, I didn't think he would try to attack anybody. You knew it's a one in a trillion chance that the shark is there and he didn't think they would able to attack. It made it from upstate New York to the Bahamas in less than 24 hours. That's the newsworthy on its own. Listen, Lance guest, he's now 60 years old, 63 years old. Is he coming on the show? I mean, I'm thinking, what if we jaws five, he after draws four immediately divorced. Oh, all this time later, you know, he gets back in the water and who's waiting for him. Oh, no, wait, what if he's trying to reconcile with his wife after 40 years? They get together maybe in Amity or the Caribbean, but then you see the shark appear like after 40 years and it's happening again and they're trying to reconcile. Oh my God. What an amazing idea. Oh, man. Universal, who owns the rights? Do we need to set up a meeting with universal on Zoom or something to call us get this rolling? Please. Dale, number two, number two, let's see. Let's check my notes here. Do you, the, all my notes are like side notes. They're just like just pointless, you know, take any side. When I was, when I was a young, younger man, when I was I thought that the lovemaking scene in the, in that shed was a lot more hot and heavy than what it was, but I was like, wow, they, what are they doing in there going? Not people, but people right outside the window and her little art hut, they have a one, even close the door. They have a one bedroom house and they can't wait for mom to go back to Amity Island. Yeah. Come on. One gust of wind and those 10 walls are falling down. I'm surprised that heard of goats behind them. Didn't just like start like, amble into the shed while they were doing their thing, like an eating sawdust or whatever the goats are going to do. Yeah. That was a funny scene. Like she's work, also, just that she has that like, art place where she's doing her own art and that like the thing is going to be debuting, like just the idea that like her art is going to sit on the beach. Does that ever happen in the history of beaches? We're just like an art installation is going to be installed on the beach. It does so bizarre. That thing looked dangerous. I did pick up something with that art installation. The first time I picked up on it was this viewing was when Michael Brody stands behind the, the art installation and there's like a piece that looks like jaw. The show was a shark and Ellen Brody sees it. Yeah. She freaked out. And you could see on her face. That was, that was pretty startling to me. I was like, Oh my God. Another thing that like nobody thought that this looks like a shark's jawline. Or should we hide this for a few weeks while my mom is staying with us? It might rattle her a little bit. Yeah. Maybe that's the undercurrent of that like Carla and Ellen don't really get along. Yes, that's true. Could be another supply. Interesting. My number two, let's, let's get into the dyad connection between Ellen and the shark. It's so wild that like this shark, I mean, the shark is out for revenge, but didn't all the sharks die. So like, what is this shark to Ellen? Right. Am I misremembering the previous movies? Like what is the revenge aspect of the shark? Like this is a different shark. It's not like he's reading the journal of George and he's like, I'm gonna finish this. Every shark is born with revenge in their heart. It doesn't matter who. But I will say that I like to this angle of the movie where like the shark has some vendetta with the family and it will not stop because they kind of leaned into it where Ellen, there was an amazing scene. This is a five star scene in my opinion where the shark is annihilating the girl on the hot dog float. Yes. And it's the camera is behind Ellen and she just looks left like to where her son is and she instantly knows that like this is happening. Yeah. That was an amazing scene. That was like almost as good as the dolly zoom of Brody in the first movie. All right, calm down. Almost 100%. Yeah. Thank you. I agree. It's amazing when everybody thinks she's crazy and she's starting to believe herself that maybe it's some sick coincidence and there's no shark. Everything is justified in that moment and she knows and she knew all along. I'm getting chills in my face because of that scene. Yeah. So I think it's in my first review. I left for this movie in Letterbox because it's like everything is confirmed at this moment and she knows man. She effing knows it's fantastic. Yeah. I would have loved a scene of her going to like some kind of medium or something where she's like, I have this connection with a shark. Oh my gosh. I don't know. They're just kind of like getting more of that angle because it is. It's only kind of, they hint at it obviously with like just seeing her, but they don't really go directly at it. But I find it really fun and fascinating. Yeah. Like just them even just having a vaguely potentially supernatural aspect that there's no other explanation really besides that. And I love that she just immediately bolts and takes a boat and goes after the shark with zero plan. Like what are you doing, Ellen? Are you going to arm wrestle this shark in the middle of the ocean? What's your plan? She doesn't even think she has a gun on the boat. How about right before I think Hogi shows up with the plane? She's like a deer in the headlights. The shark is coming for her full bore. Like he's not slowing down. She's going to what sacrifice herself? I think she was. Guess what? Her son and her granddaughter is going to get eaten after she's again. Like what is to what end? So she can be done with the pain. I mean, he almost like can envision a cooler ending where she just like dives headfirst into the shark. Like eat me and then straight into the mouth straight in the mouth, but she has like a knife and she's like cutting herself out of the shark as it's like lifting out of the water and she comes out like covered in blood and chum or something like that would have been sick as hell. God, we need to make a Jaws movie is what I'm gathering from this conversation. We owe it. We owe it. I think we can do it. Yeah. A couple more patrons we could be right on this. Right. Daddy, what's next on your list? Can we talk about? I'm sorry. Totally shot. Tim's taboo for photoshop. I'm already a merchant. Can we talk about the fact that there's two different endings to this film? The one that we don't see is the better ending? Yes. What? What? What? Slim. You didn't watch? Not much. I know everyone was dropping like 30 links and ideas. So there's the ending we see from our voodoo rental, our Amazon prime rentals, where the shark explodes. Yeah, terminal ending. Why? Yeah, nitroglycerin filled. Then there's the ending and it was considered the theatrical cut TV version. And when she spears it, she spears it and it hangs off the front of the boat dead. And then it breaks the front of the boat off and sinks to the bottom. And it looks amazing. That shot when that shark is sinking. Right? Yeah. It was. I don't understand who made the decision to make the shark explode. It's the dumbest idea I've ever seen. And not only that, to use stock footage of the first movie of the shark of the after Brody shoots the shark blowing up. I can't believe they used movie from the film from the first movie. I was dumbfounded. Oh, yeah. Unreal. Yeah, I was shocked to well, watching this, that ending, you know, the finale of the shark getting killed was so bad and so disappointing. The fact that like here it is, the shot, it's coming up, the shark is coming at the boat, they're going to spear it and you don't even see it. It just like cuts away, you see water splashing, you see hoegy and Ellen falling off the boat. And you don't even see the action and it was so anti-climactic. And then it was infuriating because like you said, watching the other ending is clearly so much better. Superior. My God, I'm taking a screenshot of this shark. Almost won't attack it. Yeah. I mean, this looks badass. This looks like it took a lot of work with Adam and Tronix to get the shark up that high to spear it. I actually think that was a miniature. Some other was. Because like as you said, I like how I spoiler tagged the thumbnail, but the YouTube thumbnail, I'm now that I spoiler tagged. What? Yeah, the version in the, in the ending, the version we watched is awful. It's cut awful. Like I have no idea what's even happening and then the shark explodes. I'm like, wait, what did it spear it? Like it's terrible. It's a terrible ending in this movie. Yeah. Also. It's awful. Speaking of Ellen's psychotic connection to this shark, she's having flashbacks of stuff she never saw. She's having flashbacks of Brody shooting the shark. She's having flashbacks of her son dying at the beginning of the movie. No one saw that happen, but us. How is she seeing this more supernatural? These are hereditary memories passed down between the sharks that then because of their connection. I like that. I like that. Okay. Maybe this is where James Cameron got the whale connection to the Navi from Jaws the Revenge. No one has an original thought these days. I mean, speaking of the ending, Dale had alluded to the fact that like you had seen at a young age, the backdrop that they used on set. I did watch one video, to be fair, of them like instructing the big tank, the outdoor tank to shoot the finale in. And they made this big wall and they painted a wall to match the Caribbean sky. Which by the way, I thought looked terrible at the end of this movie. Like it is obviously a wall. It's like their overcast. It's like Mario van Pivol's pops up alive out of nowhere. And I think I could see like it just looks bad. I don't know if that looked great in the 80s, but I didn't think it looked that great now. Yeah, I was fooled for years. And as soon as I stopped being fooled, I can only hone in on the wave slapping up against the wall, the tank. And it's just ruined. It's probably maybe like on the four by three CRT TV. Maybe that sky is fine. But it just looks like an overcast piece of crap now. And those painters probably worked hard. They called in the painters to paint this wall, the cloudy wall to match the Caribbean sky. And that behind the scenes vignette, it's like 22 minutes long. Yeah. There's like four minutes of behind the scenes footage. The rest is just trumping up shark attacks and the great white and general. Oh my. Show me more of the movie. How about not once do we see the Caribbean with the sky, with the cloud in the sky, but the finale that they had to paint? All they did is paint a blue wall. Every it was perfect conditions the entire movie until the finale. If anything, the painters made it worse. They probably could have not hired painters and just use that wall, the plain wall and it will look better. Pronto, I think it's your number two. Yeah, I guess my number two kind of goes off of that of just even watching that behind the scenes and obviously they had money for this movie. Like they said they constructed it was I think a three million gallon tank. Yeah. And the sunken ship they put in that tank. Crazy. They constructed so much for this movie. I mean, it was like a big production, a lot of work. And just knowing that and like all the man hours and work that went into it. And then the movie just like all that work, but then some of these action scenes are just so bad. That must have been like so deflating to be like a part of like making a movie like this. And people are working really hard and doing amazing things, but then like the final, you know, the finished product at the end just like doesn't live up to it. Like you imagine like, yeah, I worked on Jaws 4. And that might be like an amazing story, but people are like, oh, that movie sucked. Yeah, right. Yeah. That's your legacy. Yeah. So I was thinking the same thing. They really went in and I was thinking myself like, was Jaws 3D a success for them to do this? And like Michael Caine to be excitedly like, yeah, I'll do Jaws 4. Not that I have any idea what Michael Caine's career is like, but Jaws 2, pulling up on Wikipedia here. Budget of $20 million made $208 million. Jaws 3D cost $18 million made $88. So still bringing in the cash and then Jaws the revenge cost more is $23 million. Oh, and only pulled in 51. So still made money, but yeah, I guess they realize that like these Jaws movies can still make some money. So let's get a shot. Yeah, like MCA was in bad shape at the time. So Sid Schienberg was like, let's make some fast money. And Jaws, let's go back to the Jaws franchise so we can, you know, it's basically like guaranteed money of some kind. Sure, they thought it was going to be more, but like he fast tracked like this movie was like made in nine months. They started, they started pre-production in September and it was out in like July, the following year, something's crazy. Wow. Crazy. Yeah. And they built that tank and everything like the amount of like simultaneous parallel things happening to all that for all that to line up. Crazy. Yeah, the big set pieces really would do work against it. I will say that the shark, I thought looked fantastic when it's peaking out of the water and doing its thing with its big body and mouth. Like I thought it looked pretty cool. I thought that was cool. Yeah, I guess when you're coming from Jaws 3D, anything will look amazing. And it's just weird that, you know, the body count is like two. Sean Brody and the little girl in the banana boat. Yeah. And that it's like, you know, it's weird. And maybe because they wanted more room for the human element and the human conflict amongst each other and stuff, but like. Yeah. And Mario Van Peebles making it out alive somehow after getting drugged down by the shark. How? Yeah, really. That was gruesome. It was like a gruesome. Yeah. That was gruesome. And then he made it out alive somehow. I was like, oh man, that death looks pretty ghastly. And he just like pops up. Who's blood was he covered in? Was that the sharks? Is that what we're supposed to believe? He's not covered in his own blood bleeding out in the ocean. Yeah. For 20 minutes. So much blood loss. He pops up out of the water too. Like, oh, here, I was just bleeding to death at the bottom and I decided to pop up. Yeah. Like I didn't know the backstory of them building their tank when I watched it. So when I saw like the fake wall, I was like, what are these reshoots? They go back and save Mario in like reshoots or something because it didn't test well. But yeah, not part of that is true. That's like, that's why Michael Kane missed the Academy Awards because the movie was complete, but they had to go back to the Bahamas for reshoots to make the ending better, better. So like he technically could have the movie was done, but he had to go back. Crazy. Quote better. Danny number three. Number three. Oh, God. It's a lot of questions at this point. How does a shark roar? I've always wanted to make love to an angry welder. I've dreamed of nothing else since I was a small boy. Very strange, joke. If only. I could use that line. I feel like I've run out of things to talk about. Oh, the sunken ship scene. I love it. Oh, yeah. Him running through the song. I don't know how Jaws fit in that. Oh, yeah. That's so insane. I don't understand that, but I don't care actually. Him swimming away really fast underwater from Jaws. Making it to the sunken ship. Yes. And then using his tank as like a, you know, ejected, ejecto seat to blast him to the surface. That was a, oh, he's going to get like, what's it called? Yeah. The Benz. Yeah. I was wondering if that was good after that. But I love that scene. I thought it looked incredible. Yeah. Yeah, that was a great scene. I thought. That was probably the most tense scene, I think, maybe. And for those listening at home, you know, wondering, you know, if a shark goes into a sunken ship, how can it survive? Well, it's canon from Jaws 3D that sharks can go and reverse. That's right. Oh, so if he got stuck, he could, he can go and reverse these movies. It's fine. Never forget the Jaws canon. There's probably a Jaws wiki that people can catch up on in all the various tricks of the trade that he has. Part of the third point. I kind of had a visceral reaction to the scene. I think Dale, you just mentioned it where Carla going out to grab her kid on the dock from jumping in. And I never, I didn't get around to tell you guys this, but I went from Mother's Day. We thought it would be a good idea to go to the Ocean City Boardwalk. Oh, no. Oh boy. Do some rides. Hot pants. Have some Manko and Manko pizza. There we go. Get some ice cream. Gillians. The amount of times that I was standing in the boardwalk holding a screaming child. Oh gosh. Slapping me across the face with 50 onlookers watching me. Oh man. I could count it on one hand, but it was more than one time. Nightmare. Oh man. How did you even agree to that plan? You probably knew as soon as Mother's Day. You're like, this is not going to be a great trip. That's what the channel wanted. Let's just do it. No, I mean, it was fun, but it was also, yeah, it was crazy. But yeah, our friends invited us to go. They only have one kid. Makes a difference. But yeah, so just seeing that, you know, Carla, you know, dragging her kid off the dock, it reminded me of that moment. Hmm. Dale honorable mentions any last notes and rating for Jaws the Revenge. Let's see. I got a note here. Idi Effing Jake making a joke on the New Year's Eve about. They got a hell of a big fish. Mon like a rating in front of Ellen Brody. Michael's like, Idi. His accent. How about his accent too and this whole thing? Oh my gosh. And that vignette, he's just talking. He's just talking as Mario Van People's. The mayor doing the induction ceremony. That's a baton spider hall of famer Melvin Van People's Mario's dad. Oh, yeah. Sweet, sweet back himself. I think that's it. I think we did a really great job of touching everything I had. I'm kind of like, I kind of regret my number two point being them making love in a shed. That's like honorable mention, not number two point, but after all is said and done, I think we did a good job of really making this movie way better. And I love it more talking about it now, but it's a two star movie. Because of the everything after the banana boat just completely wrecks the movie. As soon as Lorraine boards a ship and they all go out to this adventure and Hoegy piles everybody in and lands the plane in the water, it just completely wrecks everything. And you're a Jaws historian. This is coming from a place of growing up on these movies, having just a very close connection to the Jaws franchise. Yeah. So we get that. I did have honorable mentions. I do apologize. I didn't write it down, but I read about the novelization of this book. Did you guys read that? The novelization goes way deep into insane levels of you guys were talking about the supernatural and the dyad shared. There is a voodoo aspect in the novelization where a bad guy named Papa Jacques has a vendetta against the Brody family and is controlling the shark. Through you. I was actually going to ask if there was any kind of cut out voodoo aspect to this, just based on an allocation. Big, good low. Sharp as a cot. Sun being a cop to just like Brody. How about that photo of Brody, which is like almost obviously a photo still or photo marketing still from the first movie on the wall, the cop station. Let's see. I think this is Michael Caine's say thermos at one point. Felt it thermos. There's coffee in the thermos. That's exactly like him. So yes. She feels a shark presence. I wrote that down too. Love it. Oh, yeah. Mario van people's tries to shoot the shark with his techno stuff, whatever he was trying to inject the shark tracker, whatever. And Brody's like, you've done this before, right? He's like, yeah, he's supported by like three ropes. He's hanging off the boat. Like it's a wonder how the shark didn't just eat him right there. And where him fall into the water. That was the craziest thing that I was hoping for. Yeah. Get him out of the way. It's annoying accent. Yeah, we didn't talk about that device. So they get the device in the shark and then they're sending some kind of like electromagnetic pulses that are confusing the shark. That are so powerful that it's like that. That was supposed to blow up. I think so. No, I don't think so. What else was it hit with? I think it just just hit the boat and explosion. Yeah, I think. It was good. It was gassy. Hang on to your socks, lads. I wrote that line down. Mario gets eaten. Listen, I actually had a lot of fun watching this. I love the dyad homage to Tros and The Last Jedi. I love Ellen having that weird connection with the shark. I love the nightmare and Elm Street music. So I'm at three stars for Charles the Revenge. I like it. My heart. Danny. Oh, let's see. I had a couple more things I wanted to say. Roy was asked to be in this film. He said no, but his scene would have been the first son dying. He was going to get killed off in the beginning of this movie either way. But that was supposed to be his scene. Dale have did you catch Miss Kitener in this? From the first movie? Yes, I did. She hugs Michael when he comes back to visit his mom. Like she still fits with the Brody's. I don't even know that. Yeah. Her son's the one that gets eaten in the first movie. She slaps Roy in the face. She's in this. Her and Miss Taft are both sitting on that couch. I was like, oh, what a great cameo. Tragedy brought them close. Yeah. Slim, I'm with you. Thank you. I had fun watching this film. I thought it was enjoyable. I'm also at three stars. This was a good time. Wow. Pardo? It was down to Pardo. Happy for you. You know, Dale, don't feel bad because my second note was actually the ongoing sex, sex, Capades of Michael and Carla. Sweet. That was my second point as well. There was a lot of like. In the subliminal, inuendo, hanky, panky about to happen. I mean, it's 1987 after all. But I guess they keep it family friendly. They didn't want to go too hard. But I was fully expecting something. They were doing at the drop of a hat. They like the two of them. Nightly. Yeah. The dailies. When they were watching the. Yeah. All right. I actually thought this the shark kind of sucked in this movie. Anytime you see it, it looks like cardboard, basically. And there were so many parts of it. Like you could just see the inner pieces of like the plywood that were like holding it together. They were alleged. Alleged plywood. You can never see under its belly. Also, the shark swimming at like two miles per hour whenever you see it in the water. But I mean, we all made it through Jaws 3D. So there's an 80 ton sunken barge underneath of it. Pull yanking in one. One knot. Oh, old hoe got the craps table. Oh, man. Darrylick. Anybody was doing. Another another beautiful cut off sweater that Michael is wearing at one point. Reminded me of when Harry meant Sally that scene. I really need to get I need to invest in short sleeve cut off sweater. Revival. Shark hungers for the Brody blood. I just yeah, I just want to know more about this connection between the Brody's and what really was the revenge aspect. When I think about what I thought of this movie, I almost feel nothing. Like, I don't think it was terrible either. I guess I enjoyed it. I was I feel just like more indifferent. So with that, I'm going to I'm going to trust Dale's judgment and stay at two stars. Wow. Okay. Tie game. Yeah. According to the numbers. If you want to go to the overtime, we have to watch it again. I guess gets the advantage. So we went fire it back up. Weighted my reviews more weighted. All right. So we have a voicemail to get to before we wrap up this week. Can leave us a voice memo at 70 mm pot of gmail.com. And let's get to it right now. Hey 70 mm. This is Zana. I'm on the discord otherwise known as Andy on letterbox. I figured with it being Jaws the revenge and all. There's no other place I could call you from than from the beach. Wow. Oh, I hear crackling in the background. He nailed up. I'm just going to kick my shoes off here as any self-respecting movie goer does. No, there's not much you can say about this film without probably doing an entire podcast episode about it. So I'll keep it brief. Thank you. Jaws the shark. Looks like a beanie baby. He looked like an oven mitt. Jaws looked like a pair of jeans. Have a great rest of your week. Take care. I'm doing a minute. What a vision. The fire is still crackling for the rest of this VM there. Oh, bump until a minute. Sorry, I'm talking over it. Love it. Jaws the shark did. His surface looked like industrial steps like it was like paint covered pebbles. You would fall and scrape your knees on. Thought I looked great. I liked it. Thought you looked great. It's awesome. Tie game. Just remember tie game. Yeah, we're all tied up. Next week we're closing out May the 4th. It's time to settle the score on a hotly debated film. I can't believe we're doing it. I mentioned it several weeks ago. And what do you know? It's no longer streaming on HBO Max. Are you serious? Beasting. They heard us. They know. So this is going to be a rental. I'm afraid. Sorry, everybody. But we're finally getting one of the masters of cinema on, well, not physically on the show. We're covering one of his movies, Mick G. Mick G is back. From 2009, Terminator Salvation. The fourth movie in the franchise. Some would say the second best film in the Terminator franchise. Some people on the podcast. Some people have said that maybe in a letterbox for a few years ago. Do you have any memories of Terminator Salvation? No, I didn't see Terminator Salvation. Oh, it's time. Christian Bale. Is it time? Did you watch it? Your probably main connection to this movie deal is Howard playing the Christian Bale freak out. Oh, my God. Yes. All the time. God. Okay. It was the line, what don't you understand? That one would play it in a loop. What don't you understand? Yeah. Is he yelling at that? Oh, dah, dah, dah. Mocking the guy. My God. We'll get into it next. Just play the clip. I'm trying to lose it. How was it? We're going to do it next week. But just to set the stage, this movie was derailed before it even came out. There was an audio recording of Christian Bale freaking the F out on someone on set. And that audio clip, I mean, that might have created TMZ. I don't even know if TMZ was anything before this clip came out. We'll talk about it. We'll get into it. Yeah. Bryce Dallas Howard. Wow. Sam Worthington. Helen of Bottom Carter. Broder's a 2009. How is this a great movie? Wilson, we'll find out. It's time. Second greatest time for the rewatch. We're going to rank all the terminated movies next week. Oh my God. Oh my God. Okay. Okay. Can we lead the show off with that? Have I seen? No, three. Three. I remember like, three. Do you need to see three when it had come out? I've seen it. But upon a rewatch, I didn't like it as much. Three is the one I've seen the most because for a while, that was my dad's favorite movie. I've already watched that all the time. Yeah. Can we have him on the show? Drop as a VM under a minute. Possible. Adding beach, septiceye. Alexis. Potentially. Oh, pop. Dale, what's on the horizon for baton spider that you can share with us? Anything major happening? Well, I am going to be slim. I'm going to be reaching out to you directly. Interesting. Maybe a little Kofi episode happening. Oh. Yeah. Yeah, that's going down. And we are lining up our next summer. Oh. Event. Promotion event. And I think everybody's going to be into it. It's going to be fun. I mean, hot ape summer was successful. Let's just say it. It was a successful summer. Thank you. Hot ape summer hasn't ended yet. The channel is still active. Yeah, it's crazy. It's a mindset now. Was it hot ape summer last summer? I don't think I think it was last summer was hot tape summer. That's right. That's right. But. Now, there's a lot of ape movies outside the plan of the ape movies. Oh, wait a minute. That's all I'm going to say. That's all I'm saying. My God. That's it. That's all I'm saying live right now. Excuse me. That would be nuts. Chuck is beat this right now. Chuck, there is an ape movie that I started watching this week. That. I think we have to do an audio commentary for. Oh. Do you want to say it? No, I don't think I can say it. I don't think I can say this. You almost said it. I saw you almost say it. You wanted to say it. That's good. Maybe out of respect for. You know, the upcoming summer event. Maybe he did. That's true. Step on it. Yeah. Save it out of respect. I didn't. Yeah. I didn't want to cross the streams. Yeah. It's not safe to cross the streams. All right. That's it for this week. Dale, thank you so much for coming on. Yes. Thank you, Dale. Always a pleasure. Gentlemen, I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. Everyone, check out Batten Spider. Most recent episode. Virtual combat. One of my favorites. If I may be so bold, one of my favorite recurring themes on the show is Dale coming to grips that he's stuck in a loop of doing a weekly podcast, potentially forever. Wondering how he can get out of it at some point. So thank you for that. Yeah. In and from. Bird, are any closing thoughts? Uh, closing thoughts. One of the movies I watched, I didn't get to mention is I finally did a rewatch of the Studio Ghibli movie Ponyo, which I haven't seen since the theater. I saw it in 2008 in the theater and I remember thinking like, what is this children's movie? Why am I watching this? Being very disappointed. But watching it now, it's a gorgeous, another gorgeous animated movie from the master, Miyazaki. 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