Rocky IV (1985)

Hey, it's your old pal Slim and this is 70 millimeter of podcast for film lovers just like you. Every Monday, I chat about recently watched movies with my close friend and artist, Danny Haas, Dolph Lundgren's body. It's worth the price of ambition for this movie. And our close friend and movie insider, proto-lexus. Am I going to see the Dune trailer? Part two? Do I get to see it too? So that I can feel feelings in my nethers. The theme that will guide our discussion this month is May the 4th. We can only choose movies that are the fourth movie in the franchise this month. Later in this episode, that means we're talking about Rocky IV, the movie that single-handedly ended the Cold War and saved Russia from itself. Enjoy! ♪♪♪ We got to get into this Dune to trailer. Do? We have to get into it. Okay? This is the biggest sequel in the history of Denny Villeneuve. Has Denny ever done a sequel before? This is first sequel. He did Blade Runner. Well, he didn't, you know, you know what I know, which is known for his part two's. He's known for his large number two's. Excuse me. So the trailer dropped. This is a big moment. People losing their minds on the internet. Proto is our movie Insider. Yes. We look to you for the pulse of a nation since this trailer has dropped. What did you think? What are you hearing? Check the pulse. What am I hearing about the Dune II trailer? I'm seeing people lose their minds. I'm seeing people calling their movie theater to say, if I go to see Guardians of the Galaxy's volume seven or whatever the hell movie is in the theater now, am I going to see the Dune trailer part two? Do I get to see it too so that I can feel some feelings in my nether's? Did you watch it? Are you excited? What do you, what's happening? I did. I mean, it looked cool. There's a lot of cool stuff in there, right? I don't love the one thing I don't love about the whole this whole- It's Timmy. It's Timmy, isn't it? Well, I mean, we've already talked about Timmy. Yeah. One of the worst castings in the last decade. We all can agree on that. But the fact that it's like every single role is a big actor. Now we have Florence Pugh and we have Elvis Presley in here as well. It's like, I don't know. It's just a lot of big names for me. Now I'm feeling a little overwhelmed. Was Florence talking on speakerphone on her iPhone? Did I flip? They didn't mix down the audio. It's a trailer. They're a little fix that upon real release. Yeah. I mean, there's a big cast. The poster that they released is like 30 names on it. Sure. Probably is a little bit distracting, but I mean, I'll probably get people in theaters to see it. All the super fans of those people. Powder, ass looking M. Effort, Austin Butler in that trailer. His forehead. I mean, I'm kind of bummed that it's not like the sexualized nude sting. You know, we got Austin Butler. Oh, that's who he's playing? Yeah. He's playing Sting. He's playing Sting. That's his plane sting. Interesting. I don't know. I guess maybe it makes more literal sense to go with the books, and that's what he looks like in the books. But yeah, Curtis is just words in the books. Give us very horny Sting, very sweaty Sting. But people are excited. We'll be talking about this movie. You know, maybe for new listeners that might not have gone through our catalog. We covered Denny's Dune in episode 91. It's a big moment. It's a miracle we made it out alive from our discussion that episode, Denny. I mean, we weren't going to kill each other, but we were about to be in the streets. There was like flaming torches coming at us when we were leaving our homes. Because of our... Oh, liking the movie Dune. Yeah, we did. But we didn't like it enough. I will say I liked this trailer. I enjoyed it. I was excited. Yeah, it's more action-packed. Yeah, it felt like it was on the first movie. Proto as a Dune noologist. Is there a third after this? How's it go? Is this Dune 2, the other ending? It's the other ending. Of the first book, and then we go into another book? So this Dune Part 2, this will be the second half of the first book. There was six books written originally. So it kind of has a nice trilogy though. The second book is my favorite book. I would love if the second book, which is called Dune Messiah, was made into a movie. I would love if Denny continues to at least get that Part 3. Well, will it be Part 3? Will they just call it Messiah then? We'll get into it. We have plenty of time to get into this. The movie comes out in a few months. We'll be the first in line to settle the score. Dune Part 2. I got my tickets. Let's say hello to some new patrons that joined this week, Justin, Anthony, Mark, Austin, John, Mauricio, and Marco all joined our Patreon this week at access to support our only episodes. There was a Twilight watch along again in our Discord. I don't know how many there can be. I feel like there's one every couple days in our Discord. I think this was it. This is the end. There's no more Twilight after this last one. They did it. What a run. Congratulations to everyone. I'm proud of them, actually. And also, Denny debuted a new logo for our supporter-only feed on podcasts app. Yeah. It's gorgeous. Yes. Thank you. Speaking of feet to flames, I had to was forced into this making this logo. Yeah, you were more torching was happening outside your door, asking for a new logo. It's been a while. It has been a while. It's time for an update. I looked at your letterbox log, your diary this week. So I watched the aviator. I was stunned. What made you want to watch that? I've never seen that. For whatever reason, I was looking at Scorsese's letterboxed. And I was just sorting it, looking at top movies. I thought about, oh, I thought about Goodfellas and how that would make a fun app for us at some point. Just reminded of you typing Goodfellas. Stop. Listen, it was a log day, and I don't want to talk about it. Okay, sorry. I'll cut that from the right. I'll cut it out. I'll cut it out. I'll cut it out. Denny's DMing us the word Goodfellas twice this week, thinking it was the letterbox search box. I have box. Two computers. There's keyboards everywhere. There's desk. I can't figure out where I was typing. Anyway, and I was just kind of scrolling, Scorsese's list. And I remembered Aviator as being an option for movies about movies at some point when we were doing. So I decided to watch it. I had never seen it. The only Howard Hughes bits I know are what was in the rocketeer. So I had no idea about his life and his story. And it's insane. His story is absolutely bonkers. But Leo's incredible in it. But also, Cape Landchat is incredible as well in this movie. And Scorsese does a really cool thing where, because it kind of travels a lot of years of Howard's life and it starts in Technicolor, like this real vintage kind of movie looking. And as it gets more later in his life, the movie becomes a very more modern looking as film. I guess as cinema changes with the movie, it changes the look of the movie. I thought I was pretty impressive. I liked it. And I had a great time watching this film. It was really good. All I remember of that movie is Leo Newt peeing in a jar. Yeah, he does that. It was like 50 jars. So he's been doing it for a minute. Not to bring up the Simpsons again for the 100s. Okay. But the first time I heard about Howard Hughes. Howard Hughes was Mr. Burns, oomaging. What do you do? How Hughes. He had long fingernails. Oh yeah. He had P jars. I think he told Flanders to get into the spruce goose. Frisk goose. I think he might have called it the spruce goose. Oh, yes. I'm not sure. Might have been Goose. Who can say? It's a long time ago. Who can say? Any other movies you want to chat about? Continued my bond journey. Watch Spectre. And I had a great time watching it. I'm not saying it's a good movie. It's still one of the bottom of Craig's. And I think the story suffers a bit. But I think it looks great. And I really enjoyed Batista's car chase scene in that film. He looked comedic in his giant body in that tiny, like Jaguar. Yeah, I had a good time watching it. It's got a lot of flaws though. I think I gave it three and a half stars. A lot of flaws. I am impressed by Craig's run of bonds though. It's pretty solid. Just waiting till awesome butler takes over. You're right. It could happen. Just wait. Anything else? Peter Pan and Wendy was good. Had a good time with that. I watched Dungeons and Dragons since it went streaming. I gave that three and a half stars. A lot of fun. Big frickin' week for you. Yeah. And then I've kind of watched Tetris as well. And Tetris was an insane story. I had no idea what that story was. And I found myself really captivated by it. It's even if it's super dramatic, sized for the movie. Even if it's partly true, it's still an insane story. I think I said that in my review, but it's wild. Yeah, that was my takeaway from it too. It's like, this can't all be true. And maybe 10% of it is true. But it was a fun ride for what it was. Yeah. It's crazy. And then Saturday I got to see Casey and I went to theaters and we saw the re-released 40th anniversary of Return of the Jedi. That was just magical. There's just nothing like seeing Star Wars in a theater. Any of them, good and bad. I had a great time watching it. They're laughing at the bits that we've been laughing at for decades. Clapping at the end like... The E-Walk dance number. Yup, nub. Just dancing. That's what I look like when I dance. Like an E-Walk. Incredible time. Watch that out of Disney. A product you watched Return of the Jedi two weeks ago or last week. I forgot to bring up that you immediately went into that trilogy journey after you finished a new hope. Yeah, I did. I couldn't help myself. It was just time. You know, I mean, it's May the 4th. You got to revisit. National holiday. Got to pay my respect to George. Day Jesus came out of the grave and fired up the original VHS's. Bless you. Love Star Wars. Bless you, my child. But, Prudha, you watched Peter Pan and Wendy as well, I think. Is that true? Kind of. It was on in the house. I sat down to watch it, but then I got pulled in different directions in the house, doing different things. So I only caught a few bits and pieces of it. So I put it on my letterbox just to say, to record the event. You know, I diary. Yeah. I caught some scenes. I thought Jude Law looked fantastic. He looked like he was having fun. His hook was incredible. Yeah. Very gnarly. It looks different than a regular hook. It's like a candy man hook. Candy man hook. Like if you were really a pirate and you needed to have a hook, that you wanted to use as a weapon, possibly, to like, because you were children, this is what you would do. This is what you would have. Yeah. Child's skewering hook. Was the reason why you were busy around the house? Because you were developing an app on tidbit. Folks heard about this tidbit device. You can get this like little speaker size looking thing that displays like information, the weather, game scores, and people can make apps. That's what I'm talking about. You made an app, a letterbox app for this thing. Yeah. It's a little pixelated display you put on your desk, and it just has a bunch of different apps that you can run on it. There's new apps added like every week to it. And a lot of it is built by just anybody who wants to contribute. So I saw this thing, and I think I had an IG ad, of course. And I needed to pull the trigger. So I got mine back in February. And as soon as I saw it, I thought, I got to make a letterbox app for this. So once I got mine, I put some time in. So I've been working on it for a little bit in the evenings and on the weekends. And I was able to finally get it made. And it officially went live today where anybody can use it. And it's really the dream. Like when I saw this thing, this is what I wanted it to do, is to display my letterbox feed. So it'll show the three most recent reviews from friends on the tidbit. So I can just be sitting at my desk. And when the app comes up, I get to see what the star ratings were. So I'm looking at it right now. And I'm seeing our boy, Grook Rux Dave. He's given Rocky 4 3.5 stars. Incredible. Oh, oh. On a rewatch. This is what it's telling me. Yeah, look great. I saw the video on our IG. It was like a product release video. Were you born to do these videos? That's the question I think people are asking after this and the cage match. I'm trying to get there. We're trying to be professional here. I'm doing the best that I can. So I hope people appreciate the work that, what we're putting in over here. Yeah, very much appreciative. I was watching our IG. This was it, was it last weekend where the cage match, cage game show happened with proto on IG live. And we picked our next supporter episode as voted or as I guess suggested by our interns, which is going to be a fish called Wanda. Great video. A lot of giftable moments of you doing this live show. I'm just trying to be myself out there. You know, all you can do is you put your suit on, put your bow tie on, brush your hair, and turn the camera on. That's what I do. I believe it. God bless. I had to call out Eric and chat is back. Eric's. What is the pro? Eric posts these images, these stills of movies in chat, and they're all warped. They're horrifying. I can't remember the process. I didn't, maybe I don't even know what the process want to know what the process is to make these images. Deep fried. Deep fried. Deep fried AI mid journey images. Eric was doing mid journey before mid journey was a thing. Every week we give out a free year of Letterbox Pro. Someone tagged their review 70 MPOD. 70 MM pod. So this will get their ads gone and access to year-end stats. G-man 00 left review for Rocky 4. Mr. Drogo. Tear down this wall. So well done. You get a free year of Letterbox Pro. What else do we want to talk about? I want to hear about this virtual combat viewing that Proto had. Oh my god. So our friends at Battenspider are covering virtual combat. If you're curious what Battenspider is, that title should tell you everything you need to know about that podcast. The memes are serious. Full disclosure is my favorite podcast. But you watch this week, Proto. You give it five stars. Five stars to virtual combat. I've been biting my time. I choose, I listen to Battenspider, but I don't watch other movies because it's dangerous to watch everything they pay. They really is. But you use your stats. Yeah, you got to choose wisely. They're covering virtual combat. And this looks like, hey, this looks pretty good for what it's doing here. Okay. You got officers Dave and John amuse themselves off duty by honing their kickboxing skills via virtual reality combat. My god. What more do you need? This movie was an absolute riot. It's a B movie. But I was fully engaged the whole time. It had pretty good, I thought it had pretty good production for what it was. But still, it's still a B movie, but it had interesting sets. Just like some really bizarre set. Like the virtual reality rigs that they were hooking themselves into is just like hilarious. And then it's from the 90s. So like all their references to like technology and virtual reality were hilarious. And then just the acting. You know, I said in my review is like when you watch a B movie, you hope for like one like off the wall performance, somebody who takes it to 11. And I felt that every performance of this movie, they took it to 11. Which I was really appreciative. So I just had a fantastic time. You know, it's not. Yeah, this movie is not winning any awards, but for if when you go into a movie that like this, you're looking for a certain kind of experience. And this gave it all to me. It gave it all. It's winning hearts. It is winning hearts. One my heart once I saw that review pipe in. You got to talk about something. Guardians. Can we get a guardian? Oh my god. Can we get an update on guardians? I watched guardians of the galaxy last night, Warrington PA, the back, you know, the back skirts of Willow Grove. The ones. These are cities that I'm. What's a back skirt? The maybe the outskirts is better. Okay. Back skirts out skirts. Don't go. You be the judge. Nobody Google back skirts or anything related to that word. So I got a screening pass to see that. I took James with me. We snuck in some chicken sandwiches under my hoodie. I snuck in chicken sandwiches that I ate. I ate two chicken sandwiches while watching the movie. My god. And it was like one of those radio station screenings. Like my super local screenings that I get to are kind of like, you know, ones that MMR puts on, you know, local. MMR. WMMR. Local Philadelphia radio station. So they usually do like they're doing bits, you know, before the movie plays or doing giveaways or doing trivia. There was karaoke contest before the movie. Excuse me. For the movie. It was something else. I would have walked out. I was like, you know, like melting out of my seat as it was happening. I wanted to be dead when it was going on. But we got our we got good seats. It was in iMacs. I will say though that the iMac screen at Warrington Regal is it's not good. Like when there's nothing but white on the screen, even James noticed it. He said, it's like, oh, this is the same screen I saw super my brother's in. It's this greasy screen. When it's like white, you can see it's almost like someone's like greasy, like glasses. Probably it's almost like pixelated a little bit. It's very strange. They need to clean it. I don't know if they just like got a cheap fabric or something. I don't know how that stuff works. Anywho, I liked it. I gave it three and a half stars. It's a little bit long. It's a nice send off for the characters. I'm gathering that they're all pretty much done. They all died. I mean, everyone has kind of like an exit plot in the movie pretty much. Like if they don't make another Guardians movie, you could kind of see. Okay, that makes sense. Where's some of them can come back? I don't know. This there were some great action scenes. There's a hallway scene that was pretty cool. It's very rocket raccoon focused. So for all those rocket raccoon fans out there, your tissue's ready. They're going to be crying into their, what's a chocolate candy that I like? Is it a bunch of crunch? I'm crying into their bunch of crunch. No one's ever heard about it. Hot orange combos. You never had a bunch of crunch? I don't know what you're talking about. What's a bunch of crunch? In the back skirts of the candy aisle. Art says junior mince. Kurt's likes ice caps. Paul says rollers. I love rollers. Rollers are the best. You put a melted rollo on a little mini pretzel. That's interesting. That's innovation. Put them in the oven. All of it. Put them in the oven. Let the rollo melt onto the little mini pretzel. Does oven mean microwave up there in the north? I would not put that in the microwave. Austin, just Google rollo pretzel recipe. And someone on YouTube will walk you through it. Rollo recipes. Yeah. James gave it four stars. I don't think he was that excited about it. He literally doesn't remember or know anything about the Marvel universe. So he was also similar to me. Like I thought Thor was still with the Guardians. And that happened in Endgame. That's how far back I am. The Endgame is- Thor was in the Guardians in Endgame? Yeah, remember when Endgame ended? Thor was in either spaceship. He's like, oh, I'm full. I'm full. Was that a lot of fun? But was that not the last time the Guardians were in a movie? That's what I thought. So I thought that that storyline was still the same. And then I was like, wait, where's Thor? And then I remembered like, oh, there was a Thor movie that came out. Oh, thunder. Like forgotten about all that stuff. So we'll see. I'm not really like enthused for the Marvel Cinematic Universe without my favorites. Like Chris Pratt. I love Chris Pratt. I don't care what it says. Oh, interesting. I don't really know what the feature of this movie- Your big Pratt has this late looks. I think Pratt gets a lot of flack. For being a good looking charismatic, great hare-having guy. You know? Okay. Got it. All right, enough. Enough. I'm talking so much. I hate when I talk so much. I like it. I will. Thank you. We need to get into something that saved a nation. And that's Rocky 4. That's our feature. Stop. You have to edit this. I can't even look at Discord. Why is this even? You have to look away. You have to look away. This is why I have it on the other screen. It's not even a good Photoshop, but I still- And crack it up. Anyway, it's saved a nation. Rocky 4, it's made the fourth. We're only doing movies that are the fourth in a franchise, as you obviously remembered from last week's Star Wars, the fourth movie in that franchise. Now we're doing it for real Z's, with Rocky 4 directed by Sylvester Stallone. Pardon, what's this movie about? Rocky Balboa, 10-time heavyweight champion, has beat Apollo Creed, clubber Lang, watched his coach die in the locker room, and now has seen his nemesis turn beach jogging friend Apollo. Murdered, live on television by a communist. Drogo is an evil communist lab experiment perfected to kill American boxers and capitalism, with over 2,000 pounds of pressure per square. Rocky doesn't want to fight, but after seeing his bosom buddy sent a great square in the sky, Rocky declares, flying to Russia to train in Siberia, pulling wagons and running in a leather jacket, Rocky trains to end Drogo, end communism, and tear down that wall. Rocky 4. Rocky 4. The quest for peace. Sylvester Stallone directed this thing. Did you have any idea that Sylvester had directed after one Rocky, but many Rocky's, Danny? Wait, many? Many. At least he did these three, and then he directed Balboa, right? Did he direct Balboa? Am I making that up? He did the first one. Did he do the first one? No, he didn't do the first one. Oh, he did two, three, and four, and then Balboa. Yep. Our modern-day George Lucas. You want Swaroff of Rocky. I think he said I will never watch another Rocky movie that might have been from your original Rocky review. Was it? Oh. Um, yeah, I don't like it. I didn't like the first one, and I don't remember the second one very much. I just saw the third one. I didn't care anymore, but I don't like boxing. It's not a sport I enjoy. It's a disgusting sport. It should be outlawed. I'm not a boxing guy. I'm not an MMA guy. I just, this stuff doesn't interest me. I don't enjoy it. Human violence. I don't enjoy this kind of. I like violence when they're wearing pads and can almost die, but not like this. Just only a little bit closer to death. Just concussions. Broken spine. Spines, yes. So yeah, this is where I'm at. This is, I've seen one, two, and four now. Part of the, did you grow up wrapped around an American flag and a VHS box set of the Rocky movies? Yes, I'm pretty sure I saw most of these on cable. I watched the, I'm pretty sure when I first saw Rocky for it, it was the four hour cable cut that I saw. Cause I felt like when this was on TV, it took all day to watch. And that's my main memory of watching Rocky for. I can't remember the last time I watched any of the original Rockies. It's a point where like when this one started, I was like, or when we even talked about doing it, I was like, wait, Drogo wasn't until four. I thought Drogo was like two. The first one? Maybe even the first one. Cause like that, like the cultural zeitgeist of Rocky for me is Drogo. It's the Drogo, like scenes. And I don't barely remember anything. So I even thought that like the Apollo beach scene was in this one also. So for all I knew there was just only like two Rocky movies in existence. I mean, technically all three movies are in this. Yes. True. Thank God. That's how you do it. Maybe Marvel should take the picture. Actually. Do those little montages in the beginning of a movie. So, let's see. We'll go around the room, maybe talk about our top three things that we jotted down in this viewing, and then we'll end with our letterbox rating. Let's start with proto. Thank you. You know, I had a, for a long time in my life, I've had an aversion to the 80s. And I think I, you know, I spoke about this when we first started the show of not liking the 80s, really anything about it. But as I've watched movies from the 80s, it's grown on me more. You know, I've always liked the music. But then just like different aspects rubbed me the wrong way. But watching this, I feel like, I feel like I triggered something, a core memory in me that the reason I didn't like the 80s was possibly from this movie and the character, Paulie. Is Paulie the worst like character ever? Open question for the group. I just like, I hate everything about this character. He's, he's a, he's a bum. He's like a slime ball. He's a mood dirty. He's dirty. He's lazy. And this, this relationship he has with this robot is disgusting. It's a sex robot. Yeah. Didn't he redeem himself though at the end? What he, he talked to Rock in the hallway before the final fight. And he did his little speech. Which one's Rock? Rocky. He did not pay attention to this movie. Which one's Rock? Did he call him Rock? I always, you call him Rock. Lipped in iced tea commercial or whatever. You're from Philly. You can do that. Right. I thought he saved himself a little bit with that little speech at the end, personally. I know you're kind of busy just now, but I want to tell you some things I never told you. I know sometimes I act stupid and I save super things. But you kept me around and other people would have said drop that bum. You give me respect. You know, it's hard for me to say these kind of things because that ain't my way. But if I could just unzip myself and step out and be somewhere else, I want to be you. You're real hot, Rock. That's cool. That blessed this guy's teeth out. That's right. I like when you got mad at the conference table. Maybe like grab the mic to yell at the commies. Sit down, Paulie. Yeah, sit down, Paulie. I mean, at the very least, wash the undershirt that you're going to lounge around in Rocky's house in doing absolutely nothing. And why are you bringing him to Russia with you? Like, what is he doing? Like, they land and he's like, where's the TV, Rock? Where's my lazy boy? We're trying to defeat communism here and he's looking for a couch. Let's be sick. I feel like a lot of boxers have that kind of training on Teraj. I feel like I've seen that in other movies. I don't know if it's real or not, but there's always just like some guy that is maybe responsible for the amount of punches you throw while training. I don't know. I guess they all have a role to play, so to speak. My number one, maybe the greatest soundtrack ever put to film. Oh my God. Are you serious with this? Living in America, James Brown, that entire scene, five star scene. I mean, I don't understand how Carl Weathers had any oxygen left to fight an actual boxing match. That's why he was dancing. That's why he ran out of steam. Hearts on Fire John Cafferty. Let me read some lyrics here. I took some notes down. Sudden darkness creeps into your soul. Envy moves the light of self-control. The cave that holds you captive has no doors. Burning with determination to even up the score. Hearts on Fire. Strong desire rages deep within. Hearts on Fire. Fever's rise and high the moment of truth draws near proto. I got the chills. My God. Absolute banger. Hearts on Fire. Strong desire rages deep within. How about burning heart by Survivor? Oh my gosh. Are you kidding me? I wanted to sign up for the US Army after hearing this montage. Two worlds collide. Rival nations. It's a primitive clash venting years of frustration. Bravely we hope against all hope. There's so much at stake. Seems our freedom's up. Danny, what'd you think of soundtrack? It's an absolute banger. Thank you. I was like every time a song came on, my head was bobbing. Yeah. Like this was it. This is why we love the 80s proto. It's perfect music. We're not in destructive boooooo. I mean these montages are so good. No easy way out. Robert. Singing it. When I'm in the spectrum boooooo. Baby, better get that street. I mean every song is incredible this movie. The montages are legit. So feelings never die. I was thinking of another movie that parodied this, which was Team America World Police. Remember that movie? Team America. That was a moment in pop culture. Oh my god. Can you imagine us covering Team America? No. Police. I don't think anyone's allowed to cover them. We might get thrown in jail for covering that. But yeah, the music is amazing. The montage scenes are so 80s. They're off the charts for me. Like I love the winter training scene. He's running in a leather jacket in the cabbie cap. I don't know what boots he was wearing. He's wearing jeans. He's running in like sub-zero temperatures, but he's getting better with this montage. Listen, since this was part of my number one, so I'm going to have something else. But because we're talking about the montages, listen to this fact that I read about the montages. It has been calculated that Rocky IV is 31.9% montages. Nearly a third of the film. And during the second half of the film, or the last 50 minutes, it is 50% montage. Oh my god. Facts. And how much of it isn't new footage, but just reuse from previous movies. That's what I mean. I needed a refresher, so I was happy. I loved it. I loved it. I loved every montage. I loved seeing Drogo using this like space age training equipment. Oh my gosh. He somehow has 2,000 pounds per square inch. Force. I don't know what the hell they're even saying. They're jacking him up with steroids. He doesn't even have a body that looks like that has been influenced by steroids at all. No. Like I think, I mean, ironically, Sylvester Slender in real life was caught with like HGH. I think in an airport while filming The Expendables. What's he was looking at? That's a steroid. He was jacking himself up. Self-jacking. Yeah. Paulie knows all about that. Danny, what's your number one? Dolph Lundgren's body is a sight to behold. If anything, it's worth the price of ambition for this movie. I couldn't believe the size of this man and the zero negative body fat he has on this body. Like it's insane. The of him fighting Apollo, him fighting Rocky, I couldn't get over this man's body. Also, how tall is he? Nine feet. He's got to be nine feet. Minimum. I would be afraid to see this man in public. Because he'd do convention rounds. Also, it also looks great too when they like size him and rocks perfect to each other. Like the height difference in some of those shots is so cool. I mean, it makes you believe that like this guy has no chance to beat Drogo. Because like Carl and Sylvester also jacked. They're just ripped. Yeah. But Dolph makes them look like they are hanging out of planet fitness. For these bods. Dolph is incredible. I couldn't get over this guy's body. I think this was his first American film maybe. Or maybe first mainstream American film. He went on to have an illustrious career as we all know. But also, how about Brigitte Nielsen? His Olympic swimmer wife in this movie. Fantastic pairing. She used to be her and Sly were married for a time. Were they? Oh, wow. I didn't know that. They meet at this movie? They might have gotten engaged while filming this or Cobra. I think she's also in Cobra. Yeah. So another reason to watch that movie. Some folks were asking us which cut we were going to watch of Rocky for. Because there is like a director's cut or it's like Rocky versus Drogo, Sly Slin cut or something. I read it about it. It didn't seem like anything that was really needed necessarily. But I did read that some of Brigitte's scenes are caught out and there were theories that he just didn't want his ex-wife in the movie. I don't know. But nothing. It's not like Star Wars having different cuts. It just felt very odd. So I watched some of the directors cut to see what was cut. The intro is very different. He's a lot more with Carl in it. Oh, actually they start off in three with him fighting Mr. T for a bit. And then they go in and one of the changes that I saw, well, first of all, they cut out the sex robot completely from the director's cut. Thanks, God. It's not in there at all, which means there's less Pauli scenes in the director's cut. There you go, bro. But he adds a bit of fighting with Apollo and Drogo to make it look like Drogo's not so invincible. There's a lot of... Apollo wins a bit more of the fight than what... And I don't like that, actually. I like the invincibility of Drogo, especially coming into the fight with him in Rocky. I feel like it feels more... I don't know. It feels way more off balance that way. Right. I thought it was cool. Like there's... I had to rewind it a few times because after Apollo dies and Rocky wants to fight him, there's another quick... I guess he could call it a montage, but it's like the passage of montage with the newspaper stuff. I had to read it because it just glosses over the fact that it's an unsanctioned match. He has to forfeit his belts entirely and essentially has to leave the country to fight Drogo, which was pretty cool. It could have been done a little bit cleaner, I guess, in the montage. Why you gotta go, Rock? Wait, there's a line in here where he was talking to Carl. Where is it? You think it's you against you? And Carl is just not having it. So he's insinuating to him that it's like maybe you're fighting yourself a little bit, and Carl freaks out. I thought it was funny. How about Sly Sloane's pajamas? Did you catch those? His pajamas? Yeah, when he brings a cake or something. Oh, the black pajamas. Yeah, those things were nuts. God, I needed a fair. His fashion was kind of wild in this movie. Pardo, what's your number two? Well, how about the fight with Drogo? Yes, we'll just talk about it. The Rocky fights in general. I do enjoy them because they're more cartoony than realistic. Half the fight is still taking a punch and just quickly turning his head to the side. Ooh, I got hit. It's clearly a whiff. It doesn't even look close. For a lot of those punches. But the amount of sweat that is supposedly dripping off of these guys is incredible. When you're making this picture, how do you do that? That can't be really sweat, right? Is that some kind of gel? Are they all covering these guys? Like olive oil or something that looks so greasy. It was nuts, especially the Apollo match. One false movie, you're sliding out of that ring into the front row on your back. I did read though that during that fight, they apparently were hitting each other. Like, Stolen wanted a real fight. Like, excuse me. Real punches to the point where he had to be hospitalized. What? After filming, I don't know, like maybe a long day filming the boxing match. Like he was taking a beating. Someone in check and confirmed that. I'm pretty sure that's true. I let Dolph hit me. It looked real to me. Yes, there were that cartoony like throwing your head back. But it did look like they were really pounding each other. Excuse me. Art confirms he was mentioned in that doc on Amazon Prime. Our resident sweat expert, Paul's Chime Den, you can create fake sweat by mixing glycerin and water in a spray bottle. That sounds flammable. Sounds like death. It's how Apollo died. That's what that Bush song was about. Amazing album, by the way. I actually really liked that last fight. Because I thought it would be like we'd get like a round in, Sylvester would get his ass beat. And then like he'd take one swing and knock out Drago. I thought that was going to be like this big moment. But it was like how many rounds does a boxing go? 17 rounds? 15 rounds. They went the whole 15. I was impressed with that. I was like, oh, this is a real knockdown drag out fight. Even though it looks like the worst boxing I've ever seen in my life, they're really like this. I was impressed that it went that long. I really thought I was going to get one good swing on them and knock them out and be it. Yeah, I wanted to call out too that it looked great because they had real extras in a pretty well lit arena. Because I had just recently gone back to, well, not gone back, but watch the Creed movies for the first time. And I loved the first Creed. It was so good. I highly recommend anyone watch it who hasn't yet. But in like two and three, it's pretty obvious that they're using green screen. Like sub dome technology. Oh, really? And it kind of takes me out of it. Like just seeing them walk around with them trying to properly angle the green screen. It doesn't look that great. And also, I mean, the parallels or the things that keep up in the Creed movies are pretty cool. Like, Drago returns in one of the movies. He's training his son. To be a boxer. Not so. So, so, so, so, Vrester Stallone is in the first two. He's trained. He trains Creed's son. Oh, these are the creeds too. Yeah. And then Drago is training. He's back and Brigitte is in it as well. Oh, I can't. But I don't want to spoil about. Please don't. I want to watch this in that movie. So they're very good. The first one is amazing. I highly recommend it. My number two. I guess that was pretty much it. The old school filming style. I also have Sly's voice as one of my top threes for some reason. Yeah. So you were talking in the pre-show or the uncut about how like, Sly doesn't really sound like this today. He sounds like, you know, clear. There's a couple scenes in this where it's like he is putting on some kind of voice. Right. It's almost like, I don't know if it's like his Philadelphia attempt. Like, you know, blue collar fighter. Some of it was like, I was like, man, he sounds really weird. He turned on subtitles, I think. But man, he looks amazing in this movie. You talked about Drago's body. Sly, I love seeing his like, we talked about Montage again, sorry. But like when he's training in Russia and he goes to like that town, I wrote that it looked like he's in like, you know, 1970s South Philly, but Russia, like just like dirty ass houses in these trees. But it was cool. I love seeing that stuff. I love the old school training. I loved all that stuff. I love Sylvester Stallone. Yeah. There's another podcast on this tape deck network that really said some hurtful things about Sylvester Stallone, the man, the actor, the filmmaker. And we needed to do right by him by covering Rocky for. I agree. Before we heard Prunals writing anyway. Thank you. Danny, what's your number two? How about planning an entire trip, not only a trip to give up your belt, to go to another country and fight for no money and not tell your wife until she finds out by the paparazzi? Oh, yeah. I mean, Adrian should have murdered him. I couldn't believe that. She doesn't know that this is happening. He's having a whole press conference with Drogo about this fight. And he doesn't tell his wife that he's doing this. I can barely hide at a $5 charge on my PayPal from my wife, let alone a whole trip to Russia. Yeah. Insanity. It is insane. That comes up in the creed movies too about like why you need to take this fight. Like what is it about? Yeah. Being a boxer and needing to put your life on the line. And in creed, it's like the same thing. Like he starts out with no money and he becomes a millionaire over the course of these movies. And his wife is like, what the f is your problem? What is it? You don't need the money. So what is it? So I think that's like a pretty interesting question. I don't think they really even get into it in this movie like at all. Like there's no attempt to answer that question in a realistic way. That was like one of my biggest gripes with this is that they have that scene with him an Adrien where she's like, rock, like why? Like why had to do this fight? And he literally like has no answer. He's just like, I got to do it. I got to do it. Like that's his answer is like, I got to do it. It's funny because he answers the question with his responses to why Apollo is a fighting Drogo. Please ask him those questions too. Like why are you doing this? He's like, are you fighting yourself or something like that? Yeah, it's what I said earlier. He's the you against you against you. Yeah. It's I feel like the season he's answered is he already answered his own question. Why am I doing this? I will say it was amazing when she appeared at his training. Hutt. And he's got like that shot is behind him and he's doing that ass lean. I'm not sure if my Paul maybe screenshot that was amazing. Ass lean? He's doing it like his ass is in the foreground and he's leaning on his right side. So he's got like this little lean and she's in the backdrop. And she's like, I'm with you no matter what. Loved it. Loved it. My God. What about that movie? He's laying on his back and he lifts like half his body up. Oh, yeah. They're all watching him. I was watching him. More to have mercy. I don't know if body could do that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It can do that and more than. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Pertile, what's your number three for Rocky for? Uh, final point. Final point. I love it's not very many lines, but I love Drago's lines in this. How like the whole character, he doesn't say anything until he's in the ring. And the first thing, you know, Carl Weathers is like dancing around completely winded from doing a workout with James Brown for 10 minutes. James Brown before going into the fight of his life. That's a dropping decision. But Drago just like comes up to me and says, you will lose. You know, he only has like maybe four or five lines in this whole movie, but they're all just amazing. That one. And then also at the final fight where he says, I must break you. Also, his entrance was awesome. It was like the ring coming up from the middle of the ground and him being in the ring. Holy crap. That looked so sick. It's funny because I feel like I've said, if he dies, he dies forever. And I had no idea it was from this movie. There's so there's so much in modern media that is in homage to this movie or is taken like legit. I wanted to double back. Art says that he watched a doc that's on Amazon Prime about this movie and Sly says that it was like a childhood injury to his tongue. He said that is why he talks that way in previous movies. So interesting. That's just some background info. We got to watch that doc. Adrian. My third point. We haven't talked about the Apollo match too much, but I also love how dated this is. What are they wearing? Hugo Boss hoodies. No, don't shoot. They'll shoot. They'll shoot. Go boss matching hoodies were amazing. Those are probably like $10,000. Vintages. Jumpsuits. But like because Rock is in the corner of Apollo, Apollo thinks he'll win. He's just getting murdered in the corner and Rock wouldn't throw the talent. I love the cuts between like the action and Rocky. Is he going to throw in the towel or not? I also think that that's like something that would be more investigated in a movie if it were made today, but like a macho tough guy in the 80s, you know, potentially being responsible for not saving his friend's life in the ring. That's like a whole 45 minute hour movie investigation. I mean, not his death. This is much Rocky's fault as his dragos fault. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's Rock's fault. He should have threw his towel. He should have stopped him from getting that ring. Who cares what Apollo says? It's not it's not Drogo. You'd even want him in the ring to begin with, Rock. This is like a hot day. You let him die. You tube from the 1999. Yeah. You know, Drogo isn't the bad guy. It's Rocky. Yeah. Valboa. Million views. Daniels was really nonsense. Danny, final point. Um, my final point was the Apollo Creed fight. He had a nickname, the account of Montefisto, which I thought was incredible. I might change my Xbox username to that. I don't think they would allow that last word on Xbox anymore. Oh, I don't care. Yes. Casey just shared the Adidas hoodie that I wanted badly. That rock was waxing his Lamborghini. Yeah. What if we put that on the VHS Village storefront and that's a 70mm logo in the middle? I need that badly. Other than that, the sex robot was insane to me. That is a gift in the 80s. I just couldn't get over that, the robot. But yeah, I don't have much more to say. Honorable mentions final rating. You can do that now. James Brown, body oil budget. Um, you know, as much as I dislike the first two Rockies and refused to watch the third, I had a great time watching this film. It's really a lot of fun. I think at a 90 minute runtime with 39% percent montage, this is like a giant music video and it's insane amount of fun. Drogo, I feel like is like top tier movie villain. I really loved his, I loved, I loved Dolphin this. He has, for very few words, he really was a fun, villain. I'm at three and a half stars. I had a great time watching this movie. It was a lot of fun. Three and a half banger. There you go. There you have it. Proto of honorable mentions of rating. Rocky. Honorable mentions. Carl Weathers in that pool with the three dogs. Yes. The TV. Watching the TV get pissed off at what he's seen on the TV. Carl Weather, he's such a dork at the press conference, just like hamming it up. Trying to make a big deal out of everything. Yeah, the montages were insane. No easy way out montage, my god. I haven't noticed the tree falling as the guy in the ring falls. Oh, I think that was that montage. Yes. Yes. Man. Sylvester, you've done it again. Yeah. I know you guys are raving about the soundtrack, ironically. Of course. This is real love. Real life. This is love. It is something. You know, and I think this movie, it does have a, I have some kind of nostalgia for it. Because I remember watching it on TV and kind of be captivated by it. I think it's also because, I think I watch it young enough that it might have been like my first introduction to the whole like Cold War and even like Russia and communism and not even really fully understanding what this was about and that like this person from this other country who's like a villain is coming here to fight an American and just being fascinated by all of that. So I had a pretty good time. So I'm a three stars for this. Oh, baby. Okay. It's more than I thought we're going to get. Yeah. We hadn't really talked about the Cold War aspects and how, you know, Rocky literally ended the Cold War and solved Russia just in one fight in this movie. It was almost like, I think I wrote my notes. It was like the Brett Hart, Stone Cold Steve Lawson double turn at WrestleMania, you know, Hart went in there as the bit as the good guy and came out the bad guy and vice versa. It was amazing. I guess what I'm trying to say is if I can change, you can change everybody can change. That was my last note. Oh, I'm sorry. No, no, no, it was a great. It was a great scene. Great. Cut me out. I guess. I could change. Yeah. You could change. So greasy. I, the tiger, the kid in the technology is the main thing I remember. I remember Silbessier, Slan, son, getting a bad rap in these later movies. The kid actor? Yeah. If I remember correctly, or maybe it was in the Rocky Balboa because what's his face? The kid from Heroes plays his son. And they, I think maybe Milo, Vibilow, yeah, without a war to fight, the warrior might as well be dead. My God. That was Carl Weather's line. Carl. I needed to take the fight. Okay. I'm taking my, my comments back about how they didn't go deep enough. Wow. That's pretty deep. That's taking my opinion. I'm getting that tattooed. There's no easy way out. The soundtrack rips, I said, in my next line. We're not in the strip to boo. It's a pleasure to sing that I carry Okey in front of the Guardians. Oh, God. No way, Jose. I'm retired. Us of the flashbacks of the first movie just felt like so strange because it was kind of like a totally different movie, but also them being poor. It was cool to see how much has changed with his success and boxing. It just felt like a different universe seeing those scenes. Also, I was reading, because I was trying to piece together the plots of the previous ones. And I think I read that Rocky III ends with that fight scene of him and Apollo in the ring, with the freeze frame of them punching each other. But this movie like starts with it, which is kind of funny. I guess it's like this idea that it's just like a continuation to a direction showing them both in each movie. And I still want to tell you who wins. That's the big thing, right? People don't know who won. That secret fight. They knocked each other out at the same time. One part. Interesting. Next on my list, he's training in the South Philly of Russia, with you no matter what, hearts on fire, poly kisses him on the cheek. This looks great. Real crowd. Yeah, so good. So I'm at four stars for Rocky IV. I had a lot of fun. Hell yes. 90 minute movie. Right. Half of it's montages and banger 80s music. I mean, just look up. You want to have a great time. Look up the music videos of these songs. And you want to feel alive. That's what you need to do. How about his license plate? South ball. That's right. Salt ball. SOT. So he says it. Okay. So we have, I think a VM to get to. Let me just refresh our Gmail, make sure to miss anything. You can send us one at 70mmapot.gmail.com. Voice memo or email if you so choose. This one comes from Eric, our resident deep fry. Mamammar in chat. New artist. His file is called Rocky IV Full In Depth Review. Oh my god. I haven't listened to this. I'm wondering if I should have. We'll see. Hey, a team. It's Eric. Long time listener. Second time caller. And full time friend. On the grand occasion of discussing Rocky IV, I think I have an important and related story to tell. In my younger days, I was a carpenter who traveled the country, helping artists build large-scale site-specific installations. On one of these projects, I had a few extra days, so I stuck around for the art-pazzle opening preview in South Beach, Miami. I was walking back from the graciously open bar, double-fisting, free-mixed drinks at an event that I could in no way have gotten into if it wasn't for my exhibitor badge. And I stopped beside someone who was standing, looking at our booth. He looked at my badge and asked me if I had worked on this, then proceeded to speak very eloquently and knowledgeably about my friend Julie Shankelberg's work, which we had on display, and evidently he collected. The entire time I was talking to him, I was thinking to myself, I know this guy from somewhere. Oh gosh. Where do I know him from? Have I seen him at one of our other events? Is he a donor to our group? Then I finally realized. Oh fuck, that's Rocky. He just planted. It took me about five minutes into talking with him to realize this. It took me so long to recognize him, because neither at that time nor now have I ever seen one of the Rocky movies. I feel myself about to be lifted to the cross just saying that, but I'm not gonna fix this anytime soon, because it's playoff hockey season, which means that's all I have time to watch. The moral of this story is, Sylvester Stallone, who is more about modern American art than you'd think. And when you're talking to Sylvester Stallone about art, you'll always regret not getting a picture with him. Go back this story. Yeah. I don't believe the story. I don't believe the story at all. It's hard to believe. You don't think Eric might not have seen Sylvester Stallone in any other movie? Period. You imagine talking to him and not realizing until he talks different. How did he know it was him? Then. That's a good question. Iconic look, iconic voice. Then he's saying, then he does, what does he recognize? Cobra. Cobra. Ready. This is, I mean, it's an incredible story, almost too incredible. Eric, it just says, I am aware of the person. I also love maybe saying that in conversation with Stallone. I am aware of you. Are you Sylvester Stallone? It's a very art basil thing to say. I'm aware of you. Okay. Okay. That's this week in the books and weekly listeners know that we have already announced our next movie. We've announced all the movies this month in advance. Very rare for us. We'll probably never do it again. But next on our list, streaming on HBO Max. The Max. Actually, it's about to be rebranded in about three or four weeks. Oh my gosh. I don't have this as letterbox logged. Have you seen it? I feel like I have seen it. I don't know if this is the one with Richard Pryor. No, he's not in the credits for this. This is, I think this is where he fights like nuclear man. Nuclear power in the best hands. It is dangerous in the hands of Lex Luthor. It is pure evil. This is Superman's greatest battle and it is for all of us. What's the real time? 1.6 on Letterboxed. 1.6. It's shorter than Rocky. It's 90 minutes. It's a minute shorter. Hell yeah. It's 40% montage. Maybe it is just a montage of the previous three movies. All I know is it better have John Williams score, not some knockoff. Let's see. I'm looking up the crew. If it has a knockoff. Oh, God. Let's talk about it next week. Oh, no, I'm pissed. I'm pissed. I'm pissed. I'm I'm pissed. I don't eat it. Can we pivot? It's too late to pivot. We said we're going to do this. We got to do it. I'm excited for more Superman. Danny art. That's what I'm excited about. Yeah. Don't think about that. It's still over lining. Yeah, there is a silver lining every week and it's the art. No matter what movie. Is this one have the famous image of Reeves as Superman drinking with a scruffy beard? Yeah, I think he like goes evil in this one. Oh, OK. OK. I'm looking up the backdrops. Am I misremembering? Does anybody know if this this one evil Reeves? Oh, God. Look at this image. Sure. Just paces the chat. That's like Stallone's nightgown. It's like it's like his PJ. That's his PJs. Uh, all right. Partly closing thoughts. May the fourth. We're rounding third right now. May the fourth. Yeah, you know, we're watching fourth movies, which might not be, um, you know, we might not have any masterpieces in here, but I didn't get to talk about a movie I did watch earlier. Uh, I watched it earlier in the week, which is a masterpiece. I watched the life and death of Colonel Blimp. From 1943. And when I say this might be a top 10 all time movie, all time, I'm not, I'm not even kidding. OK, gosh, this is the Pressburger Powell magic. Red shoes. No. Remember, remember the red shoes? Oh, my. Yes. What? They made this movie five years before the red shoes. And it's just as incredible. Um, I was blown away by this movie. If you, you know, if you love old movies, but you also love color, technical, if you love humor, but also love British humor. Um, if you love Deborah Kerr, this movie is for you. If you, if you're tired of the garbage, biopics that keep coming out from Hollywood, I've got a biopic for you. And it's, it's about sugar candy. And his story in the British army. I can't recommend this movie enough. I say, I said we have to do it at some point, because it's just that good. Prote a month. You pick all them like. Oh, my God. I'm ready, baby. I am ready. You heard about this movie, Paul? Oh, Colonel Blimp. Paul. Sounds like a Beatles album name. Actually, I'm released Beatles records, a life and death of Colonel Blimp. We'll see everybody next week for not the life and death of Colonel Blimp, the five star movie. We're watching Superman for the quest for peace. ♪♪♪ 70 millimeter is a tape deck production featuring original artwork provided by Danny Haas. Spiritual guidance and feature the robot who loves movies provided by Pertilexis, producer at large Dale Underscore. Transcripts provided by Sophie Shin and music composed by Cinematric. 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