Tomboy (2011)

Hey, it's your old pal Slim and this is 70 mm. A podcast for film fans just like you with me is always is my close friend and art is Danny Hoss. Hello. And our close friend and spiritual advisor, Pertilexus. Oh, birds. Did you see the video circulating online already tonight of the drunk Eagles fan just saying that to some like middle age like his woman or any who every episode is connected to a theme of that month. And this time, it's femtember, final name still in progress. We're only covering movies directed by women. My pick is up Celine Siamma's Tom Boy from 2011. And you can use the chapters in your podcast app to skip to wherever you want in this episode. You don't have to stick with our BS to start the show. Kelly watched Tom Boy left her view. Oh, my heart. Celine Siamma, I will follow you anywhere. Is she right? We'll find out. Yeah. Big topic I wanted to get out of the way. This is I mean, my DM's have been popping off. Excuse me, pop it off. They need to get our opinions on the news this week. The hot tech news, iPhone 15. Oh, my God. Yeah, iPhone 15 announcement Apple watch nine. Apple watch ultra two. You've been you've been reading the live streams pro. You up to date. Wait, what do you think about the announcements? The announcements, um, I'll be honest. I watched the Apple live event and I don't remember single thing. It's good. So I'll be there. Yeah. There's better number in the box. Listen, pre-orders go up tomorrow. Friday. I might be making moves. Oh, really? What are you rocking right now? iPhone 11, iPhone 12, I got an iPhone 11. I think it's time. I think it's nine. I don't know how it's talking again. I get all kinds of funky, weird thing. You know, I got to open the camera app and it's, it's facing the wrong way. You know, it's like, yeah, I need more RAM. I think I need more RAM in the phone. I actually said to Amanda, I was like, you know, I haven't bought a new phone in a couple of years. And as everyone knows, I'm like an addict. Like I would get sick. I'd get like two different phones a year. It's a secret. From two time. I'll be two time. Usually any other time, a couple of years ago, she'd probably throw a shoe at my face. But she's like, you're right. I know you haven't bought a new phone in a few years. So there could be some wheels in motion. In the case of the case. I'm stupid. One of my favorite moments in the show is that dumb joke. Actually, speaking of which, this is completely random. There's no reason to rinse up. But I was reading a podcast newsletter. One of you know, podcast business industry insiders. And someone said that a podcast idea for a trailer would be the host explaining all the inside jokes throughout the history of the show. I got almost like a primer episode to listen to the jokes. What if who has a list of the inside jokes, who maintains the list? Okay, enough Tom Foulery. We'll get into the Asoka talk at the in the uncut episode. Those are just for supporters on Patreon. If you need the uncut, pure Asoka episode five talk, you're only going to get it on Patreon. I actually thought about cutting up that segment and making it an episode just for Patrons. If they wanted to listen to the Asoka talk, it's a great idea. He was trying to get a Soca art out of me. Oh, I see what you're doing. Hello, hello elite squad went out this week to our supporters. Sheeran to that sort of thing. That was an Andy Stone pick from our patron, Andy Stone. It's a perfect episode. We didn't miss a beat on anything. We didn't forget. So doing is anything least of all a voicemail from the person to pick the movie would never forget that. Prado, any movies you watch this week, you want to get into? Let's see. Did I watch any movies? You did. I know you did, but you did. I'm throwing up a lot like a lob, throw a blob in it over the net. You should be heading it out of the park. US Open. Okay. Okay. I did watch a movie. I watched and on the watch list for a long time. Hard ticket to Hawaii. Oh my gosh. 1987, Andy Sederis. This, I don't think this wasn't covered on batten spider, right? They just talked about it a bunch. This might have been covered. It might have been say in some, in some way, shape or form, they talked about it at length. Yeah. So hard ticket to Hawaii is a, you know, it's in the B movie. They in here, Andy Sederis is just doing his thing. And it's about, what does it mean? No, it's about these beautiful people who pretend to be, you know, special agents living in Hawaii. There is an amazing snake puppet. Excuse me. Keeps popping up in this movie at one point, explodes through a toilet. After a woman flushes the toilet, um, there's a man who's launched into the air and then a guy pulls out a bazooka and blows him out of this guy. Okay. Okay. Um, I gave this movie four stars, but easy four stars. Don't forget that guy, he gets blown out of the air. But when he was on his skateboard, he had a blow up doll. And after he got exploded by bazooka, they also shot a bazooka at the blow up doll who is in the mid air. And that also exploded. Good. It's all true. You had one of the most scandalous lines in a letterbox review. I almost died. I don't even know if I can recite it. I didn't know that it was allowed. Let me just pull it up. Let me look at it again before I make it. I can't, I can't even look at it. Look at it straight on. This is the new Ninja Turtles. It's a proto review. Anyway, look up, proto's hard ticket to why review. It's, it's a zinger. It's something it's a humdinger. I think the movie that batten spider, our friends podcast covered is Malibu Express by the same director, spiritual sequel, very horny movie, lots of barely clothes, the women, um, it's the 80s. You know, things are different back then. Not exactly fodder for fem topper, to be honest. Any other movies, proto? Uh, I do get a family movie watch in. We watched the little mermaid, uh, the live action from 2023. I didn't talk about this last week. I think I think you did. Did I dream it? Did we talk about it? Did we talk about it? I remember you saying something about, oh, yeah, it was the UFO. Sorry, me listening to your audio dispatch, maybe, maybe think it was. Yeah. So I've talked about this movie for nine minutes already. Special Patreon UFO. But my main goal, like I thought about this was that it, it, it, it followed so loyally to the, the cartoon, uh, but it, it, it, like failed in every way by doing it. It just doesn't work in the live action form. I, I don't know why, like, I don't know why they insist on making it so loyal to the cartoon where they could just take advantage of maybe what live action could do. The strengths that you get with that of like, you know, human performances. I mean, they changed the story a bit, but it just, it just doesn't go far enough. Uh, and they make a lot of poor choices in my opinion. So, you know, it was okay to watch with the kids. It was fine, but nothing the right home about unfortunately. Didn't I see some headline, I don't know if it was accurate, could have been disposing film, but disposing flim saying that it was like the most strained release on Disney plus, like so far, so it's because no one wanted to pay for it. Maybe, um, maybe, yeah, I don't, I, every time I open up Disney plus to watch Simpson's that, that little mermaid ad is at the top of my screen. Hmm, I don't have time to watch it. I don't have time for it. Fortunately, I think that's true. I have a new episode of MasterChef. Okay. You, um, okay, United Tastes of America. Right. That's got to start a lot of stuff to watch. I actually started watching a new TV show that's occupying a lot of my time. I heard about this told Danny about it off air. I usually keep stuff close to the best. I don't want someone to ruin it for me, you know, they might. Should you, should you bring it up? No, I'm not even going to say what I'm watching. Okay. Anything else? Pro. No, that's about it for me. It's good week for you. Uh, let's say I let us know new patrons, Jeremiah, Kyle and Scott joined this past week at Access to the VHS Village discord discounts on Danny's prints. Uh, there's a lot of watch longs happening in the discord. There was a, I made a, I guess a slightly passive aggressive comment. Previous episode that there were no more watch parties happening. So our tape deck adjacent podcasts, people that podcasts from our community. Uh, so if you're looking for some movie loving friends, our, our community could be the place for you. Danny, yes. Notting Hill. Thank you. Um, I, I've been dying to watch this movie for quite a while now. And I got tired of waiting for us to find the right time on the show to watch it. So watch it this week with Casey and, um, that it's like, I feel like it has to be one of my first rom coms that I ever kind of fell in love with ages ago. And it's still just kind of is awesome. I still love it so much. I love, um, Hugh Grant. He and I, thank you. It's just a, I was thinking of, yes, Hugh Grant is in and he's amazing in it. I love him dearly. And, um, I'm blanking on her name, Julia, thank you. I don't know why I want to call her Jessica. Julia Roberts is amazing in it. Um, so when I was thinking, I'm going to pitch something to you guys. Uh, because I love, I love, um, notting Hill so much. And I want to do it on the podcast. Uh, and I love rom coms so much. How about in February? We make it rom com month, but I pick all the movies. This is like, what was the proto month, proto pendants? This is like Danny in the same vein, the Danny bill of rights, but we're doing the rom coms. Live workshopping on the, I've never experienced this before. In all our years, it's time we have to do this. I mean, I'm, I'm open to the idea. I'm open to this. I love love and murder. We love love month, notting Hill. So presumably, yes, well, I would think we would just kick it off with notting Hill. Wow. Part of you ever seen this? No, I don't think I've ever seen notting Hill. Oh my gosh. Rehearsal, you buy already in chat, day and you worry. Okay. Art, I've never seen this. You've never seen it either. No, I just know that there was like a period of time where Hugh Grant was like, world's greatest sex machine, you know, people magazine. He's on all these rom coms, being like, oh, oh, you know, yeah. Something I'm thinking about. William Facker is a London bookstore owner whose humdrum existence is thrown into romantic turmoil when famous American actress Anna Scott appears in his shop. Cash. I remember this poster. The poster is burned. Yeah. It's seared. The poster of Julia. I mean, it's a terrible poster. Well, let's early Photoshop. Yeah, first step. Let's put a pen in it, but a pen because it's like seven months until February. We got time. So you're out. But yeah, okay. This is an exciting proposition. Thank you. We'll report back. I'm propositioning you guys for love. Any other movies or actually, you're as of this episode being posted to the main feed, your escape hatch episode is out. Yes. You were a guest on the escape hatch podcast to talk about the rocket here. Yes. We talked rockets here and also we talked with the director of the Dronta perfection documentary, following Dave Stevens life through comics and the movie of the rockets here and then we then we talk the rockets here. Afterwards, it was a it was a great conversation and a great time talking about my favorite movie. Little did I know that it's 70 millimeter month over an escape hatch on that out too. I didn't know that it's it's the month. I'm next I'm next devil's advocate is my movie. Yeah, Keanu. And then proto I would presume year after me, are you ready to announce the movie you're doing proto on escape hatch? Uh, I don't remember the title. It's something like solar babies, I think. Is that a real movie? Solar babies. Google it. I'm afraid to Google that 1986 solar babies who will rule the future on my word. This looks like something. It's on to be in Pluto only. Average rating 2.5. Stay tuned. More information on solar babies as we progress through 70 millimeter month. So then what'd you watch this week? What did I watch this week? I watched a lot. I watched the stand still on my Stephen King journey. I love for you. People are calling it King Timber. There's a little bit of a buzz a ground swell of support for this potential new yearly tradition. Anything's better than hope tober. Jesus Christ. Yeah, how many forms of ID you need to present to sign up for hoop tober? It's like you're moving to New Jersey. The stand, I did not like the stand. Oh, I was excited for the stand. You know, it's the one Stephen King miniseries that has eluded me. After all these years, uh, Gary Sinesis in it. Probably. Yeah, I was actually Molly Ringwald is also the star. I didn't know Gary Sinesis in it. Essentially a plague, it starts out like really cool. There's like an outbreak at this facility in the one security guard who's kind of like responsible for closing the gate, not like to prevent anything further from happening. It's, it's like one of those facilities that has the employees live on the land with have like houses. He freaks out. He just like runs home, gets his wife a daughter and leaves like the gate just like doesn't even close. So he, he essentially brings out the virus from this area and infects, uh, it just creates this chain of events where people are just dying. It's not zombies, all right. No, it's not. That was like what was felt so fresh. Like people die and they just stay dead, like wherever they were. So it's like this group of survivors who for whatever reason don't get the plague. Um, and they just navigate through like these big cities where people are just still dead in their cars or whatever they were doing. It sounds awesome. Yeah, the first part was pretty cool. There's, I think it's, there's four nights. So this is like big time, four night event, four up or many movies. Was this recent? I feel like it was, they remade it like recently. I think we'll be over plays one of the leads. Um, so this is 1994. They all start having visions of this woman who is like some kind of profit character who says like, you need to come meet me in this city. We'll fight the, you know, the evil that's also come to town. What the, um, and like I, it wasn't even a bit in my review, but I was getting such hard left behind vibes. It wasn't even fun while watching it. Like there's a lot of religion. There's a lot of Bible quoting, verse quoting, like some of these characters walk through states for like essentially 40 days and 40 nights. Like there's so much that was like, okay, I get it. Stephen King like this is pretty on the nose. So I just like homage to left behind Jesus homage slash left behind. It was like, I wrote my rugaris and he's in the tribulation force. Well, I watched all those left behind. I don't know how you did it. So does that interest you now to try to watch the stand for? I don't know. I mean, six hours. That's, that's the runtime I'm reading. Yeah, it's a, it's a long, it's an investment. But also a man and I went to go see haunting and Venice. It's a big one. A little screening invite. Big one, the big one, the big Hercule Poirot. Does he survive this one? Stay tuned. My mom always watched the like PBS Hercule specials when I was growing up. I saw those like all the time when I was growing up. I'd never watched any other movies. No desire to, but everyone was like, oh, scary. Had a good trailer horror movie looks scary. Um, not that scary, but it was okay. Give it three stars. I was looking to go back and watch the first one, the murder on the organ expressed, but it's not streaming anywhere. What? Really? What? We watched basekip all together. The three of us have mercy for the audio commentary for patrons Monday. Was it Monday night, Tuesday night? We got together actually right after my haunting and Venice screening. We fired it up. I had a random on Amazon prime, not streaming anywhere. Group watch. Was it even a group watch? I have looked into that. Maybe I should have looked into that because our my internet connection was chucking and trying to stream that for everybody. Anyway, 1998, David Zucker directed Trey Parker and Matt Stone of South Park in a comedy. Different. It's something else. I grew up on this movie. It's formative. I'm not sure how to take that, but it's a formative comedy. For me, I've seen it thousands of times growing up. So it was really fun for the three of us to watch it. Um, what I didn't realize is that like, I remember this going poorly for them and everyone involved essentially, but I didn't realize that like the only reason they did it is because it was a year into South Park and they thought South Park was going to be canceled. So they thought, let's just do this really. Like, we're going to be out of a job in a year. So why not and look what happened. So now looking back, it's just like completely bizarre, really. Like, even you said that was just so strange to witness it. Yeah, because I had assumed that they were, that they wrote this movie, that they were like South Park was doing so well that, you know, someone threw them a lot of cash to write a movie and star in it. Uh, but that's not the case at all. So I was kind of shocked when I heard what the, that they were just acting in this movie. Um, I am trying to work into, uh, into my, my everyday, um, lingo though, the line, it's, it stayed with me. I have to shake it that, uh, I hope this trait isn't as sexually transmitted. Uh, I just can't stop thinking about that line. Robert, I mean, he's so good at that movie. There's so many scenes that are pure gold. Even today, there's so many scenes that aren't pure gold. Folks just bear with us if you decide to rewatch that movie. Uh, last thing every week, we give out a free year of letterbox patron. Tag your views, 70 mm pod. Uh, this week, I think we celebrated a birthday. The winner, Yoli from our community. I'll have to review of the love witch. Quote, you want to have a sorted love affair? You want to get into some mischief and quote, who doesn't? That comes from Yoli. So you only just want a year of patron. Congrats, Yoli. Uh, one other thing to mention too. We have, we always have this like 20% off discount code on our website for pro or patron. Um, you can use code 70 mm pod to redeem 20% off whenever you want. So just FYI, let's get in this movie. Please, please full disclosure. I'm gonna letterbox employee. Thanks for reminding Dave. Tom Boy, 2011. My pick for femtember. Selene Siamma back on the pod. Part of what's this movie? LAR is a, is 10 years old and has just moved to a new home. She makes some friends in the neighborhood who think she is a boy. LAR introduces herself as Michele and spends the summer playing with her new friends. He takes a shirt off while playing football and swimming, fights other boys and kisses Lisa. But right before school is the start, Michele gets into a fight defending his younger sister Jean, causing a domino of their mother finding out and needing to tell the truth to the kids in the neighborhood. Tom Boy. The queen is back. She's back. Selene is back. The queen of children. Our queen. Forevermore. Danny, what's your history with what's your history with Selene Siamma? And you had this movie under radar at any point in the last few years? Yeah, this, well history would be first Selene Siamma would be when we covered Portrait of a Lady on fire. And then, I don't think she was fully on my radar then as much as I loved that movie. And her next film that came out petite mom on effectively like wrecked me as a human being. It was an amazing film. You got a tattoo. I have a petite mom on tattoo now of the two little girls. So Selene is in high praise in my life for movies. And then Tom Boy, I had wanted to watch, I forget if it was going to fit into a month of well back. But I had pulled it up. And I'm just like, I don't know if I'm mentally ready to talk about Selene just yet after petite. And so, yeah, so this has been on my radar for quite a while. And I'm really glad you picked it because it fits really nicely in this month. You needed time to heal from petite mom. Still not healed mom. You got that tattoo before there even, that movie was like even fully out, right? Did I scream capas? I had this one. I was watching it. I needed you to scream cap something from your screener because the movie was still in theaters so I could get a tattooed. Yeah. There's some drawings. I don't even know if that's illegal, but we did a consult 70 mm legal post show. They're in Italy right now. But yeah, there's some amazing drawings that's during the closing credits of that movie. And that's where that tattoo comes from. Proto, what about you? Same. You know, watch Portrait of the Lady for the show. What a picture. I mean, we were all there. We all watched it. We talked about it at the moment. And then I watched petite mom on as well. Which was a darling movie. So yeah, and I knew I, you know, of course looked at our filmography and knew that this existed had definitely read it a few times. I find that the poster to be quite striking. Yeah. So it kind of always catches your eye. But other than that, you know, it's my first viewing. A lot of memes too from Portrait that you utilized. You weaponized. I'm stills of the lead saying read it again. That's a great one. We need to bring some of those back. It's a good one. It needs a star feature for like PNG uploads. Not just gifts, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Portrait. It's fun to look back to where we were when Portrait came out. You know, that was like, what did I say last week? Episode five or something? So early on. And we're on this episode 188. And this was pre-pandemic. So Proto and I went to go see this movie. And this is like, I'm trying to think about like why we chose it. I think there was like one of our earliest letter box buzzy movies at the time. And I think we probably talked about like, do we need to do this movie? Like should we try to go see it? Like people will not stop talking about. There's the meme in chat. And then we had this like amazing conversation. I think anyway. So, and Patipa Ma came out and then I kind of wanted to also go back into her library. But at the same time, I think I wanted to like save what some of them for the show. Like I wanted like, let's save one of the wonderful movies. She has another movie I think called Girlhood that I actually had never heard of. Also in her in her filmography. So I'm glad that we were finally able to make time to talk about it. So in this part of the episode, we'll, you know, the host jot down a couple of points that we want to bring up during our roundtable discussion. Then we'll close things out with our honorable mentions and letter boxed rating. And I guess like a precursor like, there's a lot of like gender fluidity in this movie. So I don't want anyone to, you know, feel uncomfortable with like our pronoun usage. I guess because the movie blurs the line so often. Like even in my notes, I was writing like, he, she, and being and like, oh wait, should I write that? Like actually, I don't even know. So I think I just want to kind of like create like a comfortable environment for us to like talk about that stuff. So I'll go first, this is the, this was my pick. Our 90 minute movies, the dream. 90 minutes or less. Like, what are we doing as a society if we're doing movies that are longer than that? Movies that are longer than this. Really? Nobody go back to listen to our avatar episode. Just let me get through this thought. But man, it feels great to sit down, get a complete story with a small set of characters. And this was like under 90 minutes. Was this 80 some minutes? It feels great. Do you agree? Feels great. I mean, I definitely agree. I think it takes an immense amount of skill to be able to pull off a story kind of this in depth and heavy and real. And to pull it off so well in 90, in less than 90 minutes. I don't know how many people have that ability in them. I mean, Celine's done it. I mean, even I think petite's even shorter than this. I think it's in the 70 minute era. It's hard. I think it has to be hard to be able to truncate a film down to this little bit of time. And still have an amazing story. Same goes for podcasts. Should podcasts be longer than 90 minutes? No. That's a great question. I mean, the answer could be yes, but I would say no. We do our best. I'm pro long movies and fine with a longer movie. I think it's perfectly acceptable to have a movie that's two and a half hours long, three hours long, maybe even longer if it warrants that length. But I think the point that we're trying to make is that there are so many movies that are made that could be 90 minutes. And that could give us back so much of our time. Give us back our lives. Why are we watching action movies that are 136 minutes when they could easily be 90 minutes? I think that's the question we're asking. And is that because it's written by committee? They shoot all this stuff and then they just want to use it. They want to sell an extra bag of popcorn. I don't know what the answer is. But there's some studio execs that should think long and hard about the words that are coming out of our mouths right now. I know for a fact they're listening right now. I know for a fact. I feel like it's easy. I think we've said it. I think we've said this three hour movies should have been 20 minutes shorter and more than we've said this 90 minute movie needs to be 30 minutes longer. Yeah. Someone checked the numbers. I'm willing to bet the date is correct on that statement. Partle, what's the first thing you want to talk about for this movie? The thing that really struck me while watching this was seeing the girl, Laura, Slash McHale being so happy as a boy within her friend group of these other kids. But knowing at the same time, in order to do that, she had to lie to everyone, basically lie to everyone in her life. She's lying to all of these kids. She's lying to her mom, her dad, her sister. So it's like for her to be true to herself, she had to lie in this way. And of course, it all comes crashing down at the end. But that was just so striking to me to see somebody find happiness in this way, but have to pay such a high price for it. It almost feels like the perfect time to do it. I guess if you want to say perfect, but they just moved, she gets to ask that question, what's your name? And there's that delay. And you can feel that there's just some kind of emotion happening in her that, why not? What's the worst that could happen? Let's try to have the fresh start and the feelings that I've had potentially for a little bit. Let's do something about them and start over. So yeah, that scene was really powerful. I feel like when this we were first introduced to her in this film, I mean, you know, it's a touch. You know, it's the movie's called Tom Boy, you're expecting her to be more, you know, like boyish. And even up until when she says her name is Mikael, I don't think you know that she's pretending to be a boy yet. And then when the kind of like the weight hits that she's lying to everyone or at least hiding who she really is or not really is, but who she wants to be. Then the film just takes such a heavy turn because I was stressed out the entire time after that once I realized she's hiding this from everybody. And it's such a crazy performance from her to pull it off as well. Yeah, like even the shirts versus skin stuff. Oh my gosh, I got so stressed out. No, no, the drama that this is going to cause and the anxiety. And you see that like unfold with her standing in front of the mirror, you know, kind of like thinking, could I do this? Like, could I pull this off? And like she like spits in the sink to like practice and then she does that on the field when she gets out there. The whole time I was like, I was waiting for her mom to like come out and see her or her parents, like playing soccer shirtless. Like, how would that even go down? Like I can't even imagine that scenario going well for anyone involved almost. Yeah, yeah. I was struck by how brave I feel like you would have to be as a kid. As a ten-year-old, I don't know if there's any way that I would be that bold in that brave to try something like that. Of course, I have no concept of what it would feel like to be of like wanting to do that. But the fact that she would do that in that moment was just like pretty incredible. I didn't even want to play shirts versus skins and I didn't have any gender. I didn't want my blubbering stomach floating about laws running after a soccer ball. No, thank you for that. Danny, what's first in your list? I mean, first for me would be to talk about our queen, Celine. I know we talked about the 90-minute thing, but I really do feel, even after petite and portrait, this movie feels the weight of this movie feels harder to tell this kind of story than what we've seen before of hers. And for a movie that is from 2011 telling this kind of story, then I'm just amazed at how ahead of its time it is. I think at least for Americans, I don't know how different society is at least in France. And I watched an interview with her talking about making this and she had said the response to it was incredible. And it got to the point where apparently in France, like on Wednesdays, would be like family day in the theaters. And the movie did so well on Wednesdays that families were going out to see it. And it got to a point where Tom Boy was being shown in elementary schools and high schools to kids. And she said it was like the biggest compliment she could ever get for this movie, which is absolutely insane. Can you imagine that happening in America? Right? I know. It would never happen. Right. Jesus. The word parents sitting in sackcloth on the school ground. Glueing their hands to the front of the like movie theater to make sure nobody saw this movie. It's exactly what happened. Morons. And then her just her absolute masterful way of directing children. I mean, we see it in petite, but in this there's so many kids. And every kid from from Mikhail to just one of the kids on the plankville all felt, everything felt so natural. Like every no kid felt like they were overacting or out of place. And in the same interview, she was talking about casting. And after she cast Zo to be Mikhail Laurel, she actually had her invite all of her real life friends. And the kids in the movie are her real life friends. So I think the genius and that is their comfortability with each other as friends and to play with each other was already established. And so to be able to just film it, they were already good friends to begin with. I thought that was such a genius move on her part. And it's just it shows the way she has these kids in all these scenes, even down to like the heavy conversations about gender. It's it's it's so masterful and impressive. Yeah, you mentioned it being like ahead of its time. It is for Americans. Like it's pretty bonkers and like one of my notes is going to be like they should just show this in schools. And they're already doing it in like regular theaters outside of the states. But like I had also read a quote that she had talked about how like really the themes of the movie can like resonate with several people. Like the trans community, but then she also said that like this could also resonate with heterosexual women growing up. There's like so many levels that you can see where it works for many people and has empathy for those people. And you just it's like so far and of an idea for this movie to be accepted at a mainstream level in our country. All you could literally be asked for in watching this movie is to learn and have empathy for people that are different than you. And it's like never going to happen in this country. It's like bonkers how simple that you could how much you can learn from this movie. But yeah, it's we have a long way to go. Yeah, that's an interesting point about just how even had a heterosexual woman might think about it. My wife Jenna, she when she talks about being a kid, she describes herself as a tomboy. You know, she said, Oh, yeah, I was a tomboy like she had a short haircut. She liked to wear her brother's clothes. And that was just like kind of her thing. So I think it is kind of so I wonder how she would connect with this movie or if she would see it. If she would see herself in the character of McKayle. But I also I had that thought too is like, should I show this to my kids? You know, should I show this to my 10 year old daughter? Because even now, you know, they, you know, they have, you know, just kids in their school who are, you know, asking these kind of questions. So it's, you know, whether, you know, there's so many people who want to like maybe not talk about it and like hope it goes away. Like it's a part of our lives. You know, in the same way that it's like always been there. But maybe behind closed doors or just like, you know, tried to stuff it down. But this is, this is like the reality of the world we live in. And, you know, yeah, I'm just thinking of that. I'm like, how can I, you know, help my kids and like, would it be helpful to show them this? I'm not really sure. I don't know. I guess I'm not, yeah, I'm not sure. Um, is it my turn? Hmm. Yeah, I did want to talk about the acting in with these kids. Like Laura McHale. And what was the sister's name? Was it Gene? Yeah. Gene. So adorable. Amazing. The performances out of these kids. It didn't feel at all like acting. Like you had mentioned earlier in this was going to connect to your comments about how like these kids were friends. And then, you know, how much work should we do as parents? Um, with this like, you know, this kind of like acceptance from people that are different than you. How about like when she answers the door and Lisa's looking for McHale? Hmm. And she like pieces it together, like right away, but then just like, you know, allows the conversation to continue and end. And then she just like waits there to like quietly talk to her and ask her these questions. Uh, unreal. Like so fascinating to see the connection between those siblings and the kind of like instinctual knowledge to have a private conversation about that. Not to blow everything up, blow up or spot and like find out, you know, and but of course like she suggested that I'm going to tell mom. But like still having the wherewithal to have that like private conversation. You know, I guess we could give kids some slack to do some learning on their own first two, but very, very cool scene. I felt like there was some almost like subtext that there was something like this that happened in before they moved. Yeah, I felt that too towards the end because she asked to move again to her father at one point. Yeah, she said like we have to leave again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now. Right. One of the things Casey said that struck to me in her review of tomboy about the little sister. And she said when kids are not indoctrinated with bigotry and intolerance, loving their siblings just as they are. It's completely natural to them. And it really comes across in jeans performance every kind of step of the way she after finding out what Mikhail did. She just kind of loves her still and supports her when she gets in bed with her. And they play the clue game one night after it all had all already hit the fan. You could just tell she still supported her and loved her as who she was and is and who she wants to be. And it just it kind of I mean, it came through beautifully. Yeah. I really loved it. Yeah. Danny. It's on your list. I want to talk about the mom and dad, specifically the mom's reaction to finding out the lie and stuff. And I think there's just a lot to consider when this kind of stuff happens. The initial kind of shock of how she responds feels like some sort of heaviness to it. Finding out your child's been lying like this. In almost sort of like embarrassment, I think she probably felt. But it really was kind of powerful and it's kind of it's almost like a reality for most parents who have to who who are going through kind of stuff like this. I know having a kid who doesn't want to dress how you think that maybe they should dress and choose to wear the baggy clothes and the more. Tom Boy asked kind of look it's it's a lot to consider when they're going out especially in America when they go out into a world where. You don't know who's going to accept them at any moment or how they're going to be treated or if they're going to be bullied and there's that level of stress. That kind of is involved with that being their parent and I feel like her reaction. Is quite genuine and it just I don't know I felt some empathy for her because it just it's a lot to deal with and. I think I think it's just it's a it's a bigger conversation to have about the parents. It came off pretty realistic to me. It came off realistic and but also I don't really have like a negative reaction to I mean I have a negative reaction to hitting kids. But that's a different conversation it's it's just I really felt for her in the moment because it's so heavy to think about and to want to love your kids with who they are and where they're at and support them. And to be kind of caught off guard by what is happening I really it was really a heavy moment and even even the moments where she's taken around to apologize just it was just it was heavy like this movie went heavier to where I thought it was going to go. But yeah anyway the parent the parent aspect I was I was just it was just it was very well thought out it was very well written. And I I really appreciated that angle and I really appreciated the angle to where it wasn't just kind of like it hits the fan and it just kind of I don't know. There was there was more to it that I really liked and I think I'll benefit from more rewatches on it. It felt in my view of her reaction to it it almost felt like she was embarrassed because she didn't know already that like that her daughter was having these feelings or that they hadn't had any conversations about this. So like when she starts crying I viewed that as like I effed up like I wasn't there to support her and it got to this point. And now she's in this really hard situation that we have to deal with I don't know what did you think that's a great perspective. Yeah that or she maybe felt hurt that like she didn't trust her enough to tell her you know that she was in this spot. I have empathy for the mom as well because I think the mom knows the world that her daughter is going into and like the harsh reality like Michele is living on borrow time. It's like there's two more weeks left of the summer and then at that point you're going to go to school and this isn't going to continue like this. And it's going to be worse for you if you have to walk into school and confront your whole school doing this or you can we can do this now. So I think the like the mom kind of viewed it that way of like you're happy right now you have this this you're in this bubble this summer bubble right now and it's and it's fine. But this is all going to change in two weeks and if I don't help you right now you're going to be in a worse spot. I think of course she could have like all parents you could have reacted better if you go you know go back in time. So I have a lot of empathy for the mom in that moment and I you know I don't I don't know how how I would handle something like that. Yeah Casey points out she's also like a week away from giving birth to not the ideal time for her to be thinking about these situations. And there is also that great scene where she's walking with her and telling her that like school is starts in two weeks we have no choice. Like do you have another solution to this yeah and she asks her like flat out and you know no there is no other better solution at this moment. I think also it helps the conversation that no at no point in the movie did I ever feel like they were bad parents like at least it to a point where you can clearly tell the parents love each other. They love the kids they loved being a family so that it at some level. This was going to work out we we all don't react the way we need to react but you knew she loved her and she was going to support her and. Figure it out like they're going to figure it out like this is just the kind of beginning especially now that she would know that her daughter. Either wants to be a boy wants to be identified as a boy. Or whatever other path that leads down. Yeah there's a beautiful scene with the mom where mckel comes back into the home and then her mom calls her in. And then they just like sit on the couch and like snuggle together. And I felt like that that like it's such like a small tiny moment but that's such that's such like a to me that's like such a really deep moment as a parent to like make time for your kids like that. Like that's not easy to do like it seems so simple but it's not easy to do like in the midst of your everyday life to say like hey I'm going to take a moment just to be with you. Just like the classic marmi quote don't let the son go down your anger you know reference little women again but. She was referencing the stand. Proto next point. Back to the kid performances. I'm really curious how she how she gets such good performances from the kids that this the scene that I loved was when Jean and the other little girl. Cheyenne sit down and have her conversation so like both these girls are supposed to be I think like five years old. So finally mckel agrees that Jean can come with her and then she finds it so that girl and they sit down and they talk and she's talking about mckel and what a great big brother. She is to her that that whole scene was like amazing is these two like tiny kids just having this conversation I really I love that scene and really like like we said all this the scenes with the kids but I yeah I just I'm so curious as to how you get such good acting out of kids like do you just shoot a lot like over and over again or do you just kind of like have them not even repeat lines just like say like just talk until they forget there's a camera there I'm sure there's all kinds of techniques but. Whatever it is Selena's figured it out she said in the interview um that they film this in 20 days and they kind of flew through it and like the scenes like they were playing soccer both both days where they played the first time in the shirts and skin the second time they did that all in one day so I think a lot of it was kind of quick and I don't I think she's just like that. I don't I think she's just she's that talented she's that kind of yeah she has it down um my final point I mean it might lead into well we'll see it leads in my rating but I feel like this is I won't say that this is my favorite Selen Siamma movie I think portrait might be actually I don't even know what my favorite one is but all that to say is I feel like this is her most important movie or her most important work because I feel like this is the movie that resonates with an audience that needs the movie to resonate with but it also needs other people to watch it to learn and like be more accepting and just understanding of you know people going through things that you've never gone through or maybe you have but you'd like forgotten and it's just like like that refresher so I like on this viewing and I think I remember I I scanned some reviews beforehand about people talking about how like important this is like I live through this like I had visceral memories of doing this when I was growing up um so that's just like one of my main points maybe my last point on this movie is and again like I wish that this is this was shown in schools because I do feel like this is her most important movie so far and again I haven't seen girlhood or any potential short films or whatever but yeah that was just like my main thought like that last scene where Lisa comes back to her and asks what her name is I just feel like I mean that is such a loaded moment it's like 10 seconds but the way she answers and the way that she smiles at the end like that smile my ready to kind of try again to like she's not giving up um and we didn't you know we don't know that like what what will happen that year the next year um but I just found it so hopeful and exciting um so that's my last point I think I mean I can pull you agree I think I mean for me petite is my favorite just because the story of kind of generational trauma kind of sits with me better than than tomboy but I agree I feel like this is a very important story at least in our society right now and and people need to watch this more people need to watch this and I it just kind of bums me out that it won't be watched maybe more watch it now that listen to our show hopefully yeah I did I did see some reviews come in through the the tag people saying how you know otherwise they wouldn't have watched this so it's working in some small way at least yeah I agree with what both of you said and I felt that even for me watching this um there's just some there's some scenes oh man they're just so striking where you're what you're you know you're you're you're watching this and you're wondering yourself of like what does it mean to be a boy or girl and like what doesn't matter and just the way like they fully accepted this girl as a like no questions asked um and then like the striking difference of seeing her in a dress and thinking like in my head I'm thinking like this looks like a boy in a dress you know and so like it just the way it's presented in that way I think it it it almost feels like it's it's like dislodging something in my brain about the way like that I was raised you know the the way that like we were taught to see the world it it just kind of helps um I think in that way so I agree the the thought of like what does it matter is like the core question I ask when anyone has any issues of like pronouns or gender or anything what does it matter so you know like there are so many other things for you to worry about in in today's world these are the last things that should get concern you whatsoever what does it matter to you it's just like a waste of time for these people to get up in arms about this stuff too um Danny final point man we've covered a lot I think I I love her choice to continue to always use Jean-Vaptiste for her scores he did portrait petite tomboy water lilies girlhood excuse me I say Jean I don't I'm assuming gender forgive me I don't know um I the scores gorgeous it always is gorgeous and I I think it's really paired well with so many of the scenes with Michaelle running through the forest or playing soccer or just when she is standing there taking it all in feeling figuring out how she's gonna fit in with everything going around her the score just it's subtle and it's simple and um it just it works with her films so well and I love when I love when a director finds their composer and and I and I think it just it works for Celine's films yeah part of final point we cover most of my so I'll just get my original mentions um gosh when she pulled out the play though I knew I forgot about the play though what she was doing and I was uh in shambles just you know are we gonna are we gonna have a penis fall out in the middle oh my gosh I was just terrified of of what might lay ahead I'm so thankful we didn't get any kind of scene like that and uh Celine's a better writer I was so stressed out in that scene the holes when it's in the wrestling on the dock yeah I was just waiting for it to flop onto the dock or even like cutting like I was like can you cut a bathing suit like that and it's still right I had doubts oh kind of going back to what we're just talking about of you know like what does it matter I found I found the line the one boy uh at the end when they find out he says it's disgusting that you kissed a girl um and I felt like that I felt like that line is a is a good representation of how a lot of people would kind of react to something like this like they were totally fine with Mikkel as long as you know she was what they thought she was but even you know if they if they like each other but if they're two girls it's it's disgusting um so I think that you know that that says a lot um the last thing was I uh some of the shots in this there's a lot of close-up shots like I loved how the movie started with like the the real close-up shot of her in the car with the hand and the view of the trees like Celine is like a very bold filmmaker in that way like those shots um and she like pulls them off so well uh so I love that and just like the way I think it really uh adds to just the the presence and like the the tone of the movie and there's a great shot also of near the end where she runs away from her mom and goes into the woods and she takes the dress off and like throws it over a tree branch and then it's a shot of her like walking away with the tree like it's just like a really beautifully framed shot yeah um this is a direct homage to a spider-man in the alley walking away from the suit John Ramita senior yeah thank you John um but yeah I had I had a I had a good time with this and I agree I think this movie is I think it's important I think it's something that more people should see I think it really it it would it would benefit a lot of people to view this and and kind of help to you know think outside of the box so I might four stars for Tom boy um honorable mentees for me that spaghetti needs red sauce a lot more red sauce can we get some red sauce in here please um can we play tag at the lake house we have a vacation that that's the tag look pretty fun you know the two people had to run up oh that's called steal the bacon and my neck of the woods I never played that you don't play it's still the bacon until the bacon no yeah yeah yeah yeah let's play steal the bacon right after we played base it all let's see needing to go to the bathroom that scene oh Molly I love that her sister is portrait drawing of her yes that was fun she told her to sit still I could have sworn in the I think in the swimming scene I heard a will Helm screen I did yes okay I did totally yeah that was going to kick it off the dock you're right what is strange addition I am at four and a half stars for Tom boy loved it glad I watched it love the run time Celine is the master there's not much more to say Danny five stars I I easily worship at the alt the cinema altar of Celine Siamma and I will continue to do so and I think she's a masterful filmmaker and I wish she put out a movie a year because I need her in my life until I'm six feet under I love her movies so much I love her messages I love her gentleness with the storytelling I think she is just very good at what she does and I'm glad we get to kind of celebrate her this month we're gonna run out of films of hers real quick that's what makes me very upset but I'm a big fan clearly well deserved well deserved well let me see what I want to get to first let's get to Andrew left a tomboy male hello wonderful host of 70 mm Celine is such a special director and I'm so glad to see you continue exploring her filmography as part of this month's theme watching tomboy maybe think a lot about how love and acceptance are so deeply intertwined you really can't have one without the other the stark contrast in demeanor and safety between michael lara is heartbreaking but the only thing that changed was how their world decided to see them when surrounded by a loving environment and people it's strange how simple it becomes to truly be ourselves and to help others do the same um although it was only present for a few scenes there was something so catholic about seeing michael leaving the blue dress in the woods they immediately look like themselves again in part of me wishes the credits rolled then in there that comes from Andy this is Adam thank you Andy let's see we have one from tom t h o m hi slim danie proto and all the lovely 70 millimeter listeners my name's Tom and I wanted to send it in my first ever voicemail because almost a year since i won letterbox pro with you after my comment on your original June episode ages ago and i've now gone through with that catalog and listen to everything where i've seen the film and that's my kind of rule i'll only listen to one of the episodes if i've seen that film so i've got a few more edges to my watch list the reason i'm sending this in is because i think now's the time that i should join the village oh i'm a fully fledged cardid member but i'm a bit worried because my username for everything is tom look but it's not very cool i can't know if maybe i needed a bit of a better username or i should just go as myself and uh be that be that guy um so yeah i have just some thoughts one of the reasons i want to join is because i've signed up to see 12 films in one week for the learning film festival whooped over and i need some way where i can chat about that perfect yeah can you say thoughts love everything you do and maybe be joining up with the village soon oh okay tom tom did apologize as an email that his voicemail was vibrating i think that was his own phone getting text while he was recording his his uh his voice memo did tom join i don't i don't think tom joined since we we haven't heard the name yet i didn't see any tom mck you know i accept the tom mck we accept i accept it i love you for who you are you don't need a cool name i mean i'm proto lexas it's only goes up from there um all right next week we put a patreon post up what should the final movie be for femtember got a lot of great lot of great suggestions um oh my god people were naming movies do it's called kege naming a movie not even directed by a woman i thought about fanning him feels like it needs to ban but i thought better of it um part of what about our honorable mentions for for that we're in the running do you remember them do you have your dm's up we talked about yeah we had a lot of internal discussions about what what might make the the list yeah i was um yeah there wasn't there's a lot of good movies on the list i was petitioning for uh i was actually petitioning for an older movie because all the movies we covered uh so far on this month are new newish the past like 15 years so i was i was petitioning for an agnis varda you know we haven't covered her or close we were very close so close also full disclosure we only really whittled down the list from our women patrons don't tell the men a lot of great suggestions but ultimately we had to do that we had to see all right what are our actual women patrons suggesting us to watch and don't sell back so we didn't pick anything of hers because she can't have another double she can't win another thing on that immediately we took them off the list yeah there were agnis at we'll get to agnis all the time um there was one that was a twinkle in our eyes um it's not streaming it's gonna be a rental um i've wanted to watch this for a while all's fair in love and basketball that is going to be the movie next week i believe Rachel suggested this in the comments directed by gena prince by the wood quincey and monica grew up in the same neighborhood and have known each other since childhood as they grew into adulthood they fall in love but they also share another all consuming passion basketball as quincey and monica struggle to make the relationship work they follow separate career paths through high school and college basketball and they hope into stardom in big league professional ball goodness you played you played a basketball all through school right Danny is that your varsity when your varsity jackets i didn't i didn't make varsity basketball no actually i didn't make basketball in high school at all uh i had to play football baseball and track so i didn't basketball didn't fit anywhere once i got to high school uh it was your kryptonite yeah i was too short and too white tell us all this time all right you feel like you could have you could have played ball in school you know don't get on fools yeah you're like six seven i may have gotten defender of the year when i was eight years old but we lost every single game oh and i was out of township basketball at the time what's township basketball before you're like you know before you're playing with the the schools township township i don't i don't i don't know if that's we don't have towns in florida you don't have towns it's just maybe it's a new jersey thing i apologize wait wait we need to focus on this town scott i don't know how township is really we have little league you don't have a township well yeah it was little league but you run little league in your township no i've never said that you run little league in your zip code florida is underwater right now we can't rely on what's happening in florida it's gone uh i played i played basketball in grade school we were awful i was awful um i think it was grade school maybe it was high school i don't remember um but that's my basketball back story so loving basketball uh jeena prints by the wood we will do that next week it's gonna be a rental excited um we're almost through this month it's been a great month not gonna lie big month next month might be our biggest uh god stay tuned uh part of any closing thoughts you know earlier today i snuck in a little short film five minutes five minute short film i was looking up my boy koganada of course uh he's done a bunch of shorts and i was wondering you know where where are the shorts where do they keep these shorts um shy because it's hard to find you might see you might see them on you know they're listed on letterbox but you don't know where to find them but often if i look on youtube or you just google it uh you might find it and i found his on vimeo um so uh and they're fun to watch you know there's a lot of shorts out there that you could watch and they're free if you have a spare 15 minutes i encourage everyone to seek out the short films hmm there's even an Oscar category no is that real tail tail on the producer studio can you confirm if that is true we'll see you right next week for a love and basketball you 70 millimeter is a tape deck production featuring original artwork provided by Danny Hoss spiritual guidance and vizier the robot who loves movies provided by portal exes producer at large dail underscore a and music composed by cinematic prince and other merch are available on 70 mm pod 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