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Hi, psychic listeners. Welcome to another episode of a psychic story. In this episode,
I have Mary Anna Clemens. She has been a journalist, a publisher, a mechanic in the US Army,
an entrepreneur, and an intrepid employee. She started her international spiritual journey as a
tarot reader. And about three years ago, into leaning in the ins and outs of being a psychic
and an evidential medium, she realized that if she tweaked it a bit, she could actually talk to
anything or anyone as an energy reader. And that's what we're going to talk about here today is
energy reading. What is it? What does it look like? All of the things may be debunking some
mis and misconceptions. So welcome to the show, Mary Anna. Thank you so much for having me. I'm
excited. Well, let's just get right into it. Please share. It sounds like you've been
going through your spiritual journey for a while now, but how that looked like for you maybe when
you were younger and then how it's evolved over time through your various careers and into what
you do today. Absolutely. So I had never even had a tarot reading or a medium ship reading before I
dove in with both feet with a tarot deck. And it was very much a journey. It was very much a surprise.
I left a dysfunctional two decade, 27 year dysfunctional relationship. And when I did,
Spirit kind of threw everything at me and was like, Oh, and by the way, we've been holding on to
this for you. So I jumped in, I got tarot cards, I asked an old friend of mine who had lost a
daughter, I said, Oh, I'm doing tarot readings now, would you like one? She's like, Yeah, can you
talk to my daughter Marisha? And I was like, Oh my God. So I couldn't take the offer back because
I hadn't put any parameters around it. So I was like, Sure, let me try this. And I did. And I got
the answers and they were accurate and they resonated. And it went from there. And it was,
it's been a high ever since I still do have a full time nine to five. But when I'm not at the nine
to five, I am like 150% just in this world in this energy. And I love it. And so as a child, yes,
I did have actually a lot of premonitions. I knew my mother was going to have twins back in 1974
before ultrasounds were, you know, a thing, if you will. And then a bunch of other things that I just
didn't know what they were. And so I didn't know where to go with them. And there was no
one to mentor me. And there was no internet, you know, back then. And yeah, so five years ago,
give or take, I started the journey. And now I am teaching and an energy reader for anyone who
doesn't know my definition anyways, is an evidential medium, a psychic, an animal communicator, an
animal medium, and a nonverbal communicator, all world and one. So a nonverbal communicator
would be facilitating a conversation between a parent or caregiver and someone who might be
autistic or in a coma has dementia, maybe as Alzheimer's. I have a good friend and her daughter
has Rhett syndrome, R-E-T-T. And has been otherwise unable to communicate since she was about two
years old. And so I've facilitated a conversation that's actually all my YouTube channel, but I do
want to give everyone a bit of a language warning. I do have a little bit of mouth on me sometimes.
And my YouTube channel is a little more informal. So if you go there to watch that, please just,
you know, be kind. I have a mouth. The nonverbal communication can also mean like talking to a
house in the real estate market, or, you know, maybe you're uncomfortable in your house and you need
someone to kind of scan the house. It can also mean that. It can mean talking to the car. It can
mean talking to a tree. I teach people in business roles how to make their sales rate better by just
kind of reading the energy of situations of people and the questions that they have.
I'm glad we're talking about this topic because it's been coming up for me a lot lately where
when people come to me in sessions, energy reader has been popping in. And that's not something
that energy reading. I mean, I know what it is and how we do it. And it depends on, you know,
your level of psychicness and or what kind of, I want to say, skills, but abilities you have if
they're strong, if they're, you know, almost turned on and they just need that right to me.
When you're psychic or you have intuitive abilities, you may hear, see, sense, feel,
all of the things in different ways. In a variety, you know, most people talk about the clairs,
but where spirit has been showing me with energy reading, it's really like they gave me the
example of, you know, when you walk into a room, like say it's a party and you just all of a sudden
can kind of feel and assess the situation. Like maybe it's a happy experience. Maybe it's high
vibe and excitement. Maybe it's like a little bit dour or whatever. And sometimes people are like,
well, I thought everybody could do that. And it's not that as human beings, we can't still have
some semblance of energy and reading situations and people, places and things. But I think what
you're getting at, it's on like a deeper level, right? So I just want to make sure like, is that
what you mean? And energy reading to me, it's also like telepathic a little bit too, right?
At its lowest common denominator, it's 100% telepathic. And it is absolutely that kind of on steroids,
but with intentions, right? So I was teaching class yesterday as a matter of fact, which includes
circles. And I have them bring through someone who was passed over. And then I had them bring
through an animal that was still alive. But I wanted them to do this at the same time because
I want them to challenge themselves with both different energies. And I want them to have the
mental discipline to be able to bring in multiple things while keeping them separate, if that makes
sense. And so when when you go in, it's going to be about intentions, which all of this really is
about intention. So that's nothing new. But it's intentions kind of on steroids. And I teach in my
class a cloak of invisibility. And I didn't realize that everyone didn't know how to be invisible.
But I grew up, I was a bus girl, and I was a waitress, then I was a bartender, I've been a hostess.
And when you're in the food service industry, you've learned very quickly how to kind of shrink
your energy and more or less be invisible. And people walk right by you until I always had this
cloak of invisibility. And I was watching something the other day that said Marilyn Monroe had the
opposite, where she could either be invisible or she just turned it on. And suddenly everyone
knew who she was. And she just commanded a room. And that's how much our energy is malleable,
right? It's how much our energy that we actually do control. Do we feel invisible right now? Do we
want to be invisible right now? Or do we want the entire room to know that we exist? And you know,
we're here. Yeah, no, that's a really cool way of kind of freezing. It's because it's like turning
on your light or dimming your light a little bit, right? And maybe light's not the right thing.
It's really about your energy and your presence and how that shows up for you, but then also for
other people. So I do want to go back a little bit about your first spiritual experience or
supernatural experience. You mentioned that, you know, it was when you entered your 40s that you left
that relationship. What was that about with the catalyst that got you more into this world?
Well, I'd always, number one, I'm a huge book nerd. I mean, I just have books coming out of my
years. And so I always had books on witchcraft and alternative, you know, because I'm a little
bit older. And so back in the day, those books weren't as easy to find. And I would read them and
not understand them. And so I went to, I was in Fort Sill, Oklahoma, and I was in Lawton. And I
went to this little store that was an old house and she had a tarot deck. And I was like, you know,
I'm going to, I'm going to try this again, you know, and it sat there for six or eight months.
And I didn't do anything with it. And then I ended up in Montana working and I pulled it out and
just started playing with it. And I got into some forums. And then I just, I finally realized that
it wasn't as much about the 78 definitions of the cards upright as it was about listening to what
was coming in that pertained to the 78 definitions. Does that make sense? So this card can mean seven
different things. So that's why you have to listen to your intuition to be like, but in this case,
for this question at this time, it means this. And I have to say, and I do love my tarot readings
and people go, well, you can do it without it. I said, Oh, I'm totally aware that you can do it
without it. But it's a visual, very tactile. If you throw down the tower for somebody four times,
it's going to mean more because they can visualize it, they can see it. It's going to mean more than
if you just tell them it's really chaotic right now. But if you know, so I fell in love with it,
extremely accurate at it. I told spirit way back in the day, if I can't, if this isn't real,
I don't want to do it. Like I want to be incredibly accurate. And then you mentioned that like if
your son at one point had asked you when you were going through that, if it was a phase.
So what was that like? Well, you know, I have a lot of interest. You know, I knit. I have horses.
I have dogs. I again, I have books. I have a motorcycle. I have, you know, I just I have a lot of interest.
And so my children were kind of thinking, you know, it's just this is what moms do and now. And
they just kind of ask, you know, it's just going to be yet another phase. And you're just going to
have a bunch of tarot cards laying around. And I said, Well, you know what? I don't know. I don't
know. At this point at this, I've really learned how to live in the moment. I've really learned how
to not try to get too far ahead of myself. And so I didn't want to paint myself into a box. So I
just said, you know, I'm, I'm not actually sure. So find out together.
Yes, that's beautiful. Now I'd like to go back into the energy reading a little bit more and get a
little granular. So how does energy reading? So I think we've established like that baseline, right?
At least my perspective is that we all have intuitive abilities or psychic abilities. Some of it,
some of it's turned up more, some of it's down. And it's also learning how to tap into it and to
strengthen that quote unquote muscle. How does energy reading show up, I guess, differently for
some people, especially if they're like more on the introductory side of it, like they're just
starting to get into it and or tap into what it is that that they have. Absolutely. So when, for
example, I have a foundational course and when a student comes in and they really don't know much,
right? They don't know anything or they don't know much. I have some handouts. And I, I tell them,
see what happened when I first started was, you know, I spent thousands because I would take a
psychic class and then I would take a mediumship class and then I would take an animal communication
class and then I would take something other class and then colors and mediumship. And so I ended up
spending thousands of dollars and I realized I could teach this in one foundational course and
you're getting a little bit of everything and you will shine in one place or another. I have one
student that's shining a very much so in first person animal communication. She can feel the
animal moving. She feels like she is the animal as opposed to this other gal, Alicia, who is
bringing through. And so she brought through a young boy that died the other day and it was
connected to someone in my class, not a family member who was connected to a friend. So energy
is so intelligent, right? Spirit and energy is so intelligent that it made it to Alicia. Well,
made it to my class then it made it to Alicia, made it to Joelle who got in touch with the
friend who got in touch with the mother. And now we're going to bring that mother into our
kind of our class environment and give her a reading. But other ways that kind of it's different is
that your readings might include a past over loved one, a past over animal, your plant screaming for
water, your mom who's alive who really wants you to call. And you do all of that kind of in one
reading. You just kind of take whatever comes in. Another student brought in the other day,
doing a reading for Alicia and he says you might want to have your landlord check the pipe in your
restroom. She's like, that was random. And that night the pipe burst. So it could be any piece of energy
that wants to be known. And then I also want to normalize the conversations with energy, right?
So be that if it's our relatives, ourselves, our animals, our tree in the front yard. I'm looking
to remove really the fear associated with the whole spirits and the idea of mediumship. So many people
unfortunately, they think it's evil. They think we're talking to demons or we're talking to evil
spirits and honestly, nothing could be further from the truth. And so when you call it energy
reading, it does kind of remove some of that fear and a pad conversations with people where they're
like, if you talk to dead people, you're talking to demons. And I was like, okay, well, what if I'm
talking to someone in a coma? Then what this person is technically still alive. What if I'm
talking to someone with autism and I'm facilitating a conversation between that child and their
caregiver or their parent? Is that evil? Are those demons? And they're not, right? But it gets them
thinking like, oh, oh, okay. Or even animals. Like why, first of all, I don't think demons are
hanging out waiting for me to make somebody feel better. You know what I mean? I think they have,
you know, murderers and serial killers to concentrate on. So taking some of that fear, though, out of
out of getting the readings and because readings can be, and you know this, readings can be so
just inspiring. They can literally change your life kind of overnight just to think of things in
a different way and hear information from a neutral third party that you may not have thought of
yourself. That's great. Yeah. What I'm feeling kind of like led to share is like when you think about
us as human beings, like we have a level of instinct, right? It's, it can be call it animalistic,
call it just kind of a baseline or basic instinct, not the movie, but where we, you know, way back
when we were surviving and trying to thrive on this earth, we had certain things like our fear
would kick in if we had assessed or, you know, pick up that a predator was in the area or something
else. And a lot of times that instinct pops in and comes in before we can actually see something.
And that some people may say it's intuition, but in reality, that is a sense and it's something
that is energetic, but then it transmutes and translates to us physically. And then when you look
at the evolution of us as human beings and spiritual beings and what that is and what we're tapping
into, what you're saying is there's different types of communication, whether it's telepathic
and or what have you and depending on the person, they may sense and it may show up differently. So,
you know, for example, in this situation with your student who is an animal communicator,
it just may be easier for that person to be able to tap into and communicate whether it's
telepathically feeling the emotion empathetically, whatever it is with that animal. And so that's
kind of what I was getting out with, like the energy reading is somebody just starting to be
aware, I guess, of their own intuition and how it's showing up for them. Are you someone who feels
emotions really, really deeply and like you just can't shake things sometimes and then you're an
empath. And so then you there's a whole path that then you go down based on your empathy and yes,
most humans unless you're a psychopath or serial killer tend to have empathy, but there are a
lot of us that feel it's so much more and so deeper than in some ways it almost can cause us to not
function in life, right? So that's kind of what I was getting at. Absolutely. And when
when people first come in, you know, we go over that because it is my opinion that it is exactly
that empathy and that emotion that is your kind of super highway, if you will, into the information
that you're looking for. I early on, unfortunately, I listened to some mentors who were like, oh,
ask spirit to take this away so you can work on this. And unfortunately, I did and I would tell
anyone that's just starting out, maybe please don't listen to that because
ask spirit to add to what you have. Ask spirit to dial down maybe what you have, but in my opinion,
don't ask them to take something away because then you will have a very difficult time getting it
back often. I don't want to say always, of course, but I still when I do mediumship readings or
animal readings, I was doing an animal reading for a rescue bird. And the level of kind of sadness
that this bird had was very impactful on me and I felt it and I started to cry. And you know,
this bird was like, I'm a really good bird. What is happening? He was on his third home.
His first owner had died. He had gone to one of their children and that person couldn't keep
him because he was a conure. So he ended up in this home and she contacted me for an animal
reading and I just that bird like sticks with me because he had so much emotion for such a small
creature. So I welcome and I and I really encourage my students and some of my students actually have
to get back in touch with their empathy and their emotions to be quite honest because, you know,
in the world today, we really shut down and we tend to put moats around ourselves and we tend to
build walls and we tend to turn off what's uncomfortable and an emotion for some reason today is not very
welcome in a lot of different areas. And so I tell them exactly the opposite. I want you to bring
all your emotion in your empathy to class and I want you to feel it. And even sometimes now when
I'm doing a reading, if spirit to have the grief from the sitter and then you have spirit and then
of course you have you and it's all coming in at once, I'll feel it and I just let myself feel that.
And I'll tell my sitters. Sometimes I may cry. Like I usually wait until I'm going to cry and
I just tell them, okay, I'm getting hit with a lot of emotion right now. And so don't, you know,
I don't want to freak you out, but I'm feeling the emotion. And I allow myself to feel the emotion
and a lot of people have told me turn it down, shut it off, do this, do that. I think that's why I get
such good info. So I'm not going to mess with it. Now let's talk about you mentioned that you like
to debunk some things and everything else. So what are maybe some misinmiss conceptions like when
you were starting out and where you are now that you would like to maybe clarify or from your
perspective, you know, just share with people like the empathy was one and kind of bottling up and
holding your emotions. Are there any others? Definitely. So one of the things I think that
kind of has been a disappointment in in this realm is that there's no governing board. So anyone can
take a weekend class and suddenly claim that they can give you a reading. And unfortunately,
some of those people do more harm than good. You know, they can. I know that the some of this stuff
is on my YouTube channel. But one of the things is, of course, that we're talking to demons. We
aren't talking to demons when it's energy. It's available to everyone. Another myth for me is that
there's so many underdeveloped mediums out there. And if you don't do your homework and you don't
look at reviews and you don't look at what they have to offer, maybe watch them on a live,
you may not be getting what you think you're about to get. And that can actually set you back
kind of in your grief. There's a lot of people that have all these arbitrary rules, you know,
third party readings. So I won't read anything for someone who hasn't given permission. And I'm like,
I'm reading the energy of a situation. So I don't want just one side of the story. I want the
situation. And so I am a situation reader. Like, I don't, you know, I'm not going to go out there
and read your third cousin's marriage. But if if you are involved, you lived with someone,
you're married to someone, you pay someone's bills, you know, you're in a situation,
I'm going to read the entire energy of that situation. And so some people like that and some
people don't. Some of the other myths are just that, first of all, when a medium is underdeveloped,
they ask a lot of questions. So if you're out there and you're thinking about getting a medium
ship reading, the person should be coming to you with information. They don't need your birthday.
They shouldn't need your birthday. They shouldn't need a picture of the person that you're about to
read. They shouldn't need. I will do direct. I will say I'm a little bit different because I go
direct. So I will say, let's say Nicole, that you wanted me to talk to your grandma from your
mother's side. Well, you would just say grandma, you wouldn't say grandma from your mother's side.
But that's probably who I would pull in, right? And I would say, oh, okay, grandma, this is the
grandma from your mother's side. Here's what she looks like. Here's what her personality was like.
I'm very, very evidence based. And so if you aren't getting that, you aren't necessarily getting the
highest quality medium ship reading you can get. And I'm so glad I did not start on TikTok.
That is one of the most negative, fear based. You just don't know who to listen to on there.
I was on there for 10 months. And they have so many hacks on there. Okay, here's the deal. A hack
for how to cook or boil an egg or whatever it is. Those sorts of hacks, cleaning your house or
fixing up your home or beauty hacks, all great. But spiritual hacks are probably not something that
you want to go to TikTok for quite frankly, because there may be some truth in it or none at all.
But I feel like that just perpetuates things. Absolutely. I was watching something the other
day because so I was on there for 10 months. It was very negative. I did fall into kind of the
negativity to be quite honest. It's on my YouTube channel a little bit. But when I got banned,
I got targeted by a larger creator. I got mass reported and I got banned. I had 11,500 followers.
They took my money. They took the subscribers money. They took the gifts money. They never
responded to me. They're like, you're permanently banned. I'm like, that's fine. I think that I'm
not going to rebuild there. I'm going to stay on YouTube more of a long game. I'm going to do stuff
like this podcast. I'm not going to go back and put energy into something that they can take away
at the drop of a hat. But also, I was watching something on the other day and this woman was
charging $125 for a 10-minute reading. It was the most vague benign reading in the world. $125.
And I feel bad for the people who were like paying that kind of money on TikTok
for just these most benign readings. There's another gal on there who puts herself off as a
celebrity medium and charges more than that phrase. And I don't want to sit here again.
I don't want to fall into the negativity. Unfortunately, that's what happens when you kind of go there
and you're like, oh my God, this isn't right. So I'm just very, very glad I didn't start on TikTok.
Because had I started on TikTok, I probably would not be where I am today to be quite honest,
because it's easy to fall into the negativity. It's easy to fall into the compare and contrast.
It's creating content for content's sake, not necessarily for like you said, like the long game
and what your goal is. Like if your goal is to spiritually evolve and grow and have these positive
experiences, it's not that certain outlets or platforms can't give you information, but you're not
on TikTok to watch long videos or to take a class or a course or write. Like it's just,
it's a connection channel, right? Absolutely. I will say also, I had a dysfunctional childhood
and I had a dysfunctional marriage. And basically until my late 40s, you know, I was always stuck in
kind of this chaotic loop, if you will. And this journey, I didn't start this journey to be in
business. I started this journey just because I was hurt, you know, life is rough, life is hard.
And this journey to me has been worth, it's been way more than traditional therapy. And I know people
are like, we're not therapists, don't say that. But this has done more for me than traditional
therapy like ever did, like ever. I've gotten a backbone. I've found myself esteem. I found myself
love. I've met some of the best people and some of the worst, but it's been an amazing journey. And
I didn't, and that's kind of my message right now is that just because you want to go down this
journey doesn't necessarily mean you have to hang a shingle out someday. You could work with
special needs children, and you just want to learn how to read energy to facilitate yourself in that
position. I had a student last year that works with special needs high school students. And I had
another one who works with special needs children. She's like, wait a minute, I'm kind of already
doing this. And I pointed out to her that a lot of us really are people who ride horses.
Barrel racers, rodeo people, dressage, they're already telepathically kind of communicating
with their horses. And when they call me, they're like, I thought so. And so it's really neat to get
that neutral third party. There was this horse. I have to tell this story really fast. And I'm doing
this read. I'm doing this reading for this gal. And this gal has like kind of a horse business. She
got this one horse. The horse comes to is like this thoroughbred diva. And the woman was like,
um, she's a short quarter horse. And so it was so funny because she's coming through with all
this attitude. And she shows me as like, Oh, she's gotten to where she's pinning her ears and she's
glinging at someone. And the woman was like, yes, absolutely. And so when she lunged at this woman
who was actually leasing the horse from the owner, right, the horse showed me the woman's face and
the horse is laughing. She's like, Oh, you should have seen her face. She shows me this. So then I
start laughing. The owner starts laughing. But the conversation I'm having with the horses,
you can't keep doing this. Obviously you can't keep to, but yes, it's funny. I get it, right?
But the horse was very distrustful of humans. And so we had a whole conversation and the one
that was like all of this just completely resonates on a level that's just blowing her mind. But she's
also very intuitive herself and very much a communicator herself. And so I always encourage
people, you know, keep doing what you're doing because you're already communicating. You just
aren't trusting the information that you're getting. Right. And what you say to me is, you know,
I'm going to just throw in an amen to that because, you know, I've had people like,
whether they work in hospice or like you said, hairdressers or another one, right? Who would
like your, they're touching our heads all the time in our hair and like they're energetically
like connecting with us and God talk about therapists like people tend to just divulge way
much to their hairstyle. So if you have a certain career or profession and then you are whatever
your, you know, psychic intuitive abilities are, you're likely using that in your profession. And
what you said, Mariana is more about like, if you choose to go down this path and learning more,
you can just use it personally. It doesn't have to be in a professional sense where you become
a medium and you're doing readings for people. It's just, how can I use resources and tools
for me to live my life? And it's up to you. And if you're going to like, you know, continue your
current profession and career, or if you want to, you know, pivot and change completely in a new
direction. Absolutely. We also go over like the energy. So there's another student where she's like
really learning the differences of how to tell her energy from other people's energy. And she has
a chaotic nephew. And she's like, he said he could tell when I removed my energy, is that true? And
I said, well, it could be absolutely. You could feel when someone's pinging into you from across
the world. I used to work with this UK lady and it's a little tiny bit toxic. She just had a little
bit of toxic, some toxic personality traits. And I could always kind of feel her pinging in. And so
I did the the starship, you know, the big metal thing, right? The desk start? Yes. Yes. And so
I always just clear my energy real fast. I'm like, no, no, you can't come in and then I put the
desk star and I'm like, changing. And I just encourage other people to do that, especially
students, friends, whoever, even on my YouTube channel, you are in charge of your energy. Does
that mean no one's ever going to get into it? Probably not. We're not, you know, it's not a
hundred percent. But it does mean that you can protect your energy and you can disentangle some
people's relationships are so entangled that sometimes you have to remove that energy.
Yeah. No, there are some people sometimes that come to me in session and I will let them know,
okay, if you want, and we are de-cording. Like sometimes it's like, hey, I'm attached to this
person and I need to kind of disconnect and or decode. And sometimes it's just, you know,
maybe it's not a particular person per se, but it's because of a situation like you,
you know, mentioned their situational things too and what have you. And I always say, don't be
surprised if after we disconnect and decode, if that person is going to like be like, hey,
and text you or contact you more. And it's like, no, don't do it because you want that person to
contact you because that's ego and that's control in some ways, manipulation. But if you energetically
are and they're like, but why? And it's like, because they can feel it, they can feel it and
they're like, I want to connect again, whether it's for bus and high skit or not. So curious what
you think about that. A hundred percent because chaos and misery love chaos and misery. And some
people do not have control of their energy. I didn't used to. I'll be the first one to admit.
I used to react instead of respond. And when I figured out that it was as simple as stopping
taking a breath, maybe having a little conversation with your spirit team, writing it down,
something tactile, right? And then responding versus reacting, I used to be a huge reactor.
People could push my buttons at a heartbeat, right? But it's so funny that you said that exact
example where you cut the cords and then someone will text because that happened to me about a
week ago, just like that. I had really sat in my intentions and said, I am breaking cords and,
you know, use the fishnet of white light or whatever that this shaman lady told me and, you know,
kind of drained the loneliness from my liver chakra or whatever it was that she said, I can't recall
not saying it very well right now. But I went through all of that and I got a text. I'm not even
kidding you like within the hour from one of the people that I was like, this just isn't healthy.
It just isn't healthy. You know what I'm saying? Within the hour, I responded positively because
I don't want to sit in the chaos, but I also am incredibly empathic and unfortunately a
ridiculous softy. I often want to keep people that I care about, but I'm just learning boundaries
or I have learned boundaries if you will. Yeah, yeah. Well, and also that's why, you know,
when I mention it, it's important to kind of keep that in mind is that we all are energetically
connected. And like you said, whether you're roommates or you're significant others in your
home or your children or what have you, like those energies are going to mesh and merge.
And sometimes it's harder to kind of keep your own space and or have those energetic boundaries.
But even when, like you said, if it's somebody on the other side of the world or they're not
necessarily in your living space or workspace or whatever, they're still connected or we're still
connected to them in vice versa. So it's just, of course they can feel it, especially when we make a,
I don't want to say drastic, but a very clear sever, you know, severing of energy and source.
All right. So we talked about what an energy reader is. We talked about how different ways
energy reading can maybe show up for different people, your experiences as a whole up into this
point and some misinceptions. What other things are you feeling led to share?
Well, very recently as energy reader myself and a student actually, we started
finding me forensic investigations, which is a nonprofit. It's in it is in its infancy.
Like I barely have an email for it. However, we do have three cases already and we're looking to
use kind of standard investigative tactics in energy reading to assist law enforcement with
cold cases and missing person cases. Now this is nothing new. I stand on the shoulders of many
other people who have come. There are a ton of pioneers in this in this area. However, our
board of directors consists of a private investigator, a 30 year detective, a psychology grad student,
a nonprofit fundraiser and myself. And so one of the things people think of when they think of
forensic investigations or mediums helping is that we don't actually solve the cases, right? So
none of what we do per se is admissible in a court of law, but we can point law enforcement
in the right direction so then they can find the evidence that is admissible. And so
Sherry's bothering me, Sherry's like pinging into me. Sherry is a 25 year old cold case and she was
murdered. And we're working with the state's attorney and the 30 year detective that's part of the
board of directors now to get her case closed. And so when I was able to do her reading with the
detective and another medium, the state's attorney, I literally, so the other medium had done her
reading offline, like beforehand. And I was able to bring in 95% of the information in the case.
And the other 5% is the information we don't know, right? The information that would lead to
a conviction in this case. So we're working with two with the families and one with law enforcement.
But these are the kind of things that a lot of people say, well, I want to help and I want to help
and I want to help. But you have to be able to get to the right people in order for them to actually
do something about it to help. So when you're working with law enforcement is a lot, it's going
to work better when you're working with law enforcement. Because when you're working with the
families, there's only so much sometimes you want to tell a family like you wouldn't want to tell
a family, oh, absolutely, it was cousin George. And then the family loses their mind. They go kill
cousin George. You have to be very discerning in what you're bringing through and what you're
telling them. So there's a certain discernment, a certain maturity when you're working with people
like this. When we're working with the law enforcement though, it was just it was fascinating. It's
absolutely the road I want to go down. It's absolutely, I just find it exhilarating to be quite honest.
There may be some other people I can put you in touch with separately. Anyway, we'll talk offline.
But yeah, no, I love that. That's all. That's actually why I know people are probably like,
why are you so interested in this? But like the whole true crime, I'm not interested in true crime
for true crime sake. I have actually been listening to or watching shows or other podcasts and things
I've gotten intuitive pings and psychic pings. And for me, I kind of like to use it to see like
what is especially once cases have been solved. Because I don't like to know the outcome. But to
me, I almost use it as like little training. Because to me, it's like there's no harm in that
because I'm not informing anyone about a situation or anything else. It's just when I was growing up.
It was an aspect in Avenue for me to get into to test myself to see if I had been tuition and all
of that. And so I'm loving that you're going in that direction because especially when you have
a sense and level of ethics and if law enforcement wants to contact you because there's a process
and then they're inserting you into that. So when you have more like the website and other
things, if you can share it with me, I'm happy to update and include it in the show notes.
Oh, absolutely. Thank you. Yeah. I'm working on the website because I am basically a one woman's
show and I just want to reiterate for people that getting into this niche is not a get rich
quick scheme. I know TikTok and Instagram beg to differ, right? Because these people are making
money on there, but it's not necessarily sustainable when they're not doing what they say they're doing.
And so if and when you get into this kind of niche, just in my opinion, do it for the right
reasons. You're doing it to improve yourself. You're doing it to figure out who your spirit team is.
You're doing it to get over some grief. You're doing it to be more intuitive with your children
or work or life. I just don't think it's the get rich quick scheme that you see on TikTok.
And I think it really does the whole industry at this service to have some of these charlatans.
I mean, I don't want to, again, I'm trying not to be negative. Well, there are so many out there.
There are ones that are famous and on TV. And then there's ones that are new and younger.
And like you said, trying to become an influencer and they're on TikTok. So there's that. I think
the biggest thing is what you're saying is you're in service to yourself. And I don't mean service
to yourself is selfish. Right? That's not what I mean. Like you can be in service to yourself to
understand, to respect, to honor who you are, to give yourself that love and energy and time and space
to grow. And then there's the if you're going to do it, be in service to others and understanding
where your abilities lie in capabilities, but not because you're going to become a millionaire
right off the bat. It's not to say that you may not, especially if you're just that darn good.
Right? But like you said, it's not a get rich quick thing. And it shouldn't be. That shouldn't
be your main goal. Like to give people an idea. There's people at TikTok who are like, well,
I'm the talent now, you know, and I'm like, oh, my word, well, I am a one women show who's doing my
website and my email and my newsletter. Plus I have a nine to five. Plus I still take classes.
I read books. I teach students. I do readings myself. And so it's a lot of work. And I just
incredibly passionate about it. So I'm willing to do the work, but also it's changed my life.
I mean, it has changed. I mean, I don't know how else to say that. And I figure out that the
things that you've gone through when you're doing a tarot or psychic reading or mediumship reading
or just a mixed reading, you realize that a lot of the stuff that comes through is stuff that you
either already done been through or you know how to help that person. And that's where the
intelligence of spirit comes in. I feel like is that they will set someone in front of me. And I'm
like, Oh, wow, I literally just went through that maybe two years ago, where I grew up the same way
or whatever. And I bring through people who, if I have any ego at all, it's that I can bring through
people that a lot of other people couldn't bring through. I have one gal rose and I brought through
her son. And she said, I've literally spent thousands of dollars on celebrity mediums and other mediums.
And no one had brought through her son. That's where I was going in the past. I dial it up.
You tell me who you want to talk to. And I go in there and I will talk to who you want to talk to.
And that works 95% of the time. Am I ever going to say that it doesn't work? No, because none of
her is perfect. Right. And so anyone that says it works 100% of the time is probably being
intellectually dishonest with themselves or just did not write dishonest person. However,
other people say, well, that's feeding the medium. Not really. Because if you say, I want to talk to
my grandma, I'm still giving you evidence. I'm giving you what it should look like. Her personality,
her mannerisms, shared memories, maybe something that's going on in your life right now that she sees.
So it's still backed by evidence. And if it isn't backed by evidence, if someone comes in asking
questions, like, Oh, you had a male that passed away. Yes, or no, that's a question. They're
supposed to come to you with the information. They're supposed to come to you saying, I don't
usually do this. So last night to have a some, you know, happy hour with a couple of friends of mine.
And normally I turn it off. I'm either open or I'm closed period. And her dad pops in. And I was
like, this doesn't normally happen. But Tammy, can I? So I ended up doing like a little mini reading
while I'm having wings in a cocktail. So that sounds like a great night wings cocktail and a medium
reading. I mean, come on, that sounds so fun. I know we can all channel hands up. If I can talk
to angels, I can talk to people from the other side, but I specifically don't quote unquote,
advertise myself as a medium because it's hit or miss for me, right? Because I'm not always,
it was never a goal. It's not something that I want to directly go down. But if people put that
in a reading like, Hey, can you? Then sometimes I honestly do have questions. I'm like, this is
the personality or the energy I'm getting. Does this feel like someone that you're trying to connect
with on the other side? And then they say, yes. Okay, so that's not technically a question because
what you said, you gave the evidence first. And then you asked if they resonated. So that's
technically, you know, how you would want to do it. I was watching again, damn, TikTok. I was
watching again, like this gal. And she's like, I think their name started with a J or an M. Like,
this is called cold fishing. And I actually watched some of the skeptic people on YouTube because I
was like, well, I want to see what they consider fraud. And I watched about cold reading and hot
reading. And I was like, Oh, and now I can see it when it happens, especially on TV and stuff like
that from some of the celebrity ones. Has this person passed over? Are they living? I mean, 50,
50, right? Are they male or female? Was it recent? Was it a long time ago? You know, is this on your
mother's side? Are you're fine? I mean, all of those kind of quite so leading with a question versus an
answer and then trying to get further information is very different. So like, if you're not promoting
yourself as an A1 medium, and you're like, okay, this isn't normally part of what I do, but I'm
going to go ahead and yeah, you know, I've let you know I've given you all the disclaimers. And here's
a personality trait. Would you be able to understand that? That's much different than, you know,
was your grandma really big? You know, it's so it's it's really in the delivery. It's really,
really in the delivery. And I have a student right now who is a medium. It has been for a while.
She's actually the same one that we started this find me thing together. And she says she's learned
so much because it's in the delivery because I trust spirit more than humans. And I said,
and that's fine. But you still have to have the delivery to the sitter. You still have to deliver
it to the human sitting across from you. And it's all in the way you deliver it, whether it's going
to hit or whether it's going to miss. And if it does miss, then then go back to spirit and say,
okay, this isn't this isn't resonating. Can you tell me a little more? Can you narrow this down?
I have an amazing example of that because I'm quote unquote not a medium. Somebody asked me and
I was like, and I was getting a female and I believe it was on her mom's side. It was coming through
really strong. And I kept saying it's an aunt. It's an aunt. And she's like, I don't have any
ants that pass. And I was like, okay, I'm just letting you know, and I don't get names or anything
else. Usually a lot of times, but I'm saying aunt. And about 15 minutes later, she goes, oh, my gosh,
I called my great because she was trying to connect with her grandma. And she's like, I called my
grandmother called herself aunt. I'm like, that's a name. So it wasn't an aunt as a person. It was
like aunt, like a and T not a UNT. So anyway, I think that's that probably goes back to what you're
saying about your student is that, yes, spirit, oftentimes some we can't necessarily understand
what the message is. And it takes a little bit of time from a human perspective to like,
sit with it and let it resonate. But yes, you're right. You need to be able to also translate it
and interpret it for that person. Well, and just the delivery, you know, if when you're talking to
someone, even in a psychic reading, terror reading, whatever, because I do events in person, right,
just to really keep on top of things. Because when your person, your face to face is different
from a Zoom reading very often. But you know, we get people who are close to suicide. We get people
who are close to the edge. And the way you talk to them and the way you deliver message. And when
you choose to say, I think this is about my pay grade, all of that is a really a development
issue and really a maturity issue. I mean, I have told people, I don't think that I'm the right
person for you. I think that you might have to reach out to someone who can actually help you,
you know, and I never tried to tell them like, you need to go see someone, but that's kind of
the gist of it, right? You need to see someone who could really help you. Like a psychic read right
now. Is it necessarily where you're at? Yeah, if you're trying to process trauma or something else,
you know, and it's multiple layers and there's only so much also, it's an energetic match,
quite frankly, like, you know, sometimes I'm the right fit and not, and I'm definitely going to
refer people if they ask. But yeah, you're right. I don't think that as practitioners, we really
should ever be recommending, all right, you're going to need 10 sessions and you can buy this
package and come back to me in a week because if you don't, you're not going to be able to
manifest what you want and your heart's desire and you're just effed, you know, which is what people
do a lot. But anyway, that's a whole other conversation for another day. I want to say thank you so much
for joining. How can people reach you? What's the best way for them to get in contact with you?
Well, my website is Soul Circle, also hard to say. So you'll circle C-I-R-C-L-E dot VIP, like,
very important people are very important pets. And so that's how you can remember it's not a dot
com, it's a dot VIP. So they can find me there. And I do have energy reader, Mariana, on YouTube.
And then those are the basically the two places that I am. I'm trying to kind of cut down on social
media and do more old fashioned outreach, to be quite honest. Social media can just quickly
overtake everything. Yeah, I haven't posted hardly any content on there lately, just because of all
the scammers out there. I still have my handles, but hopefully there will be a day where we can have
verification and or safer places for people to share content information. But yes, I agree with you.
So I will be sure to include your website and your YouTube. And can you repeat again what the
other website is eventually when it's available? Is it FindMe.com or what will it be? FindMeInvestigations.org.
And actually, I'm going to probably work on that. You could probably put that in there. I'll try and
work on that a little bit today and tomorrow to get that updated. And that's just going to be
your simple, you know, contact stuff. At this point, again, it's in its infancy, but I love your show.
So I am a listener and I am a fan. And that is why I contacted you. So I love that you just,
it's very classy. Your podcast is very classy. So I like that.
Well, thank you. I appreciate that. Maybe Mingle, obviously, is to put people in touch and with
people in touch that are authentic and they're the real deal. So I appreciate what you do. And
we're going to go ahead and close it out. Thanks for being on and for anyone that wants to reach
Mariana, you will have her website and YouTube link in the show notes. Thank you again.
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