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You are listening to a psychics story. A podcast that shares behind the scenes insights of
people who lead supernatural lives among the ordinary. And I'm your host, Nicole Bigley.
Join me every Wednesday as I dispel the mist behind magic and lore. Welcome to a psychics story.
Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of a psychics story. This is part one of a two-part
episode. And I am thrilled to have back on Jennifer James and Jill Stanley. They are psychic sisters.
They come from a long line of women with mystical abilities. They're beloved maternal grandmother
Irina, a Polish Catholic immigrant who while practicing mediumship and earth magic always maintained
an intense devotion to God, Jesus and the blessed mother and the saints of the Catholic Church
was a major influence in their lives and in learning to trust their own psychic abilities.
Jennifer and Jill's mom and astrologer modeled an acceptance of all things mystical that resulted
in a childhood shaped by mystics, psychics, spiritual healers, and best of all magic.
Jennifer is a terror reader and intuitive. Jill is a psychic medium and energy reader.
They are the creators, producers, and co-hosts of the Common Mystics podcast and authors of
the Common Mystics book series. They recently wrote a book titled Common Mystics Present,
Ghosts on the Road Volume One, Murders and Mysterious Deaths. And I am just really happy to have
them back because they've been on the show previously. So welcome Jennifer and Jill.
Thank you so much for having us. That was a long bio, but I wanted to give you guys
justice because you've been super busy since we talked last. So how have you both been since we
last spoke? What's been going on? There's been a lot of stress eating. We've been managing full
times jobs. The podcast, which is fun and amazing, but then the spin off into the book. So there's
been a lot going on. After we had spoken to you last, we started dropping episodes throughout the
year. So now our episodes run every other week year round, whereas previously we were doing
seasons that would end in October. And we saw that we lost a lot of momentum when we were doing
that. So now we're going year round. And we also started a Patreon page as well since we last talked.
Yeah. And when you were both on, I think when we were talking, I said, this would make for a really
good TV show or book. And then you had a publisher reach out to you, which is part of it. I mean,
I'm not taking credit. That came from spirit, but that's amazing. And so how did, and I believe she
listened to my episode and then reached out to you guys or what was the deal there? So she found
us through you, I believe, and a lot of people. So thank you so much for what you do in your
audience. They are amazing. And they found us through a psychic story. So thank you for that.
And you did hit the nail on the head with that one because we, I, Jen and I are so busy just
doing our full time jobs that even hearing you say that then, it was just like, there's no way.
And that's what we told the publisher. I was like, there's just no way, Jen. Right. Well,
the funny thing was Jill and I have this thing where we low key manifest like over wine at night,
you know, sitting on the couch, feet to feet. And one night we were like, this is what we need.
We need someone who believes in us, understands us and our vision and who will invest in us.
Time and money to help us bring our stories to life. And we said, but it can't be another thing.
It can't be more than what we're currently doing. And we'd also like to bring our friend,
Jennifer Baker along too, because she's looking to leave education as just as I am. You know,
we've been in 25 to 30 years and it's getting a little old. Teachings great. Teachings great.
But, you know, there's a time to move on. And so anyway, when Melissa contacted us after hearing
one episode, you know, of our podcast, you know, like Jill said, Jill and I had a conversation.
We got her email and I said to Jill, this is how this is going to go. We're going to reach back
and say, thank you very much for your interest. When we're in a position to actually write a book,
we will reach back out to you. But when we talked to her, we we realized that she wanted to write a
book of the stories that we already had, the stories that we had already discussed. So we had
that content. And then when she said that she wanted to publish with nothing from us up front,
because frankly, we don't have any money to to pour into this project and was looking for an editor
to work with us. So we had the perfect person and it just seemed right and and we so we jumped in
and it's been a wild crazy year, but we're glad we did it. Yeah. So when you got the email,
I'm assuming that's how she emailed you. First, Jill, what was your reaction? And Jen, what was your
reaction? I know you kind of talked about it a little bit. What was funny about it is that she was
like, I'm not a vanity press, which I, I had a Google what she was talking about. I was like,
that's fine. I don't have any concept of what you're saying right now. And it was flattering and
nice, but again, it was just like a dream. I was like, I can't, there's just no way. And
when we were on the call with her and she mentioned, oh, by the way, I work with really
retired teachers as editors, do you know anybody if you had a suggestion? And then I lost my shit.
I like literally put the phone down because I couldn't, I couldn't look into the Zoom call anymore.
I was like, oh my god, this is too much. This is actually happening. And so yeah, that's my,
that's my experience of it. Jen, what do you think? I was just completely overwhelmed because
I started to think about how much work it was going to be. But again, like, yeah, it's,
it's the situation where it's, for me, it's a free fall. Jill and I are very different
in our personalities. I'm very much a person who I set a goal and then I worked towards that goal
and I achieved the goal and I put a check in the box and then I go to the next goal. And Jill
isn't like that. So it's been such a blessing for me because I'm learning how to trust spirit
and just free fall. And I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know the entirety of what
I'm working for. I just know that I need to keep doing it. Yes. And that's super important. And
that's why I wanted to hear both of your perspectives because I found the similar experience for me
when I got the message that I was going to be writing a book and people can go back and listen
to pass episodes. I don't want to, you know, be redundant here. But I said it more out of frustration.
Okay, you need to bring the right person, the money, all of the things towards me. And I just
was like, check moving on because I didn't think it was going to happen. So then when it actually
manifested, I'd love for you guys to talk a little bit about the low key manifestation.
As I think it is part of the, be careful what you wish for. You just might get it in a good way.
And then whatever other way you're looking at too. So I don't know, Jen, maybe if you want to
take that and then Jill, hear your thoughts as well. I mean, it really is just what I described.
I think it's interesting because when Jill and I work together, there really is something happening.
There's more than just just the the obvious interaction happening. And when we do spell work or
when we're not intentionally doing spell work, but we dream intentionally and we say things,
we give ideas power. And I think sometimes we will have a conversation and something will happen,
will manifest that is so uncanny and outside of regular coincidence that and that kind of thing
happens all the time. Jill, can you think of an example of that? I'm trying to think off the
tap on my head. There are so many examples of that. Our Kim Russo experience is a really good one.
Yeah, you had an episode on it. I had Kim Russo on. I think she was early on. She's one of my first 10
guests. And yeah, I had Kim Russo, Sonya Fitzpatrick. I mean, this is when I was nothing. This is when I
said, it's like a tree. If it falls in the woods and no one's around to hear, it doesn't really,
you know, and so same thing, manifestation. I was like, I had my hit list. I'm like, okay,
there are these people want to be on or they don't and spirit. If you want to lead and draw them
to the show, the podcast, great. And that was part of it. It was I think that what I'm hearing you
guys say is you said an intention, but you also released the control of of needing to have control
over it. And that's the universe coming back in ways that's so much more powerful. And ways that
you possibly may not be able to dream it, but also my emotions and my energy and frequency
match. So I was like, okay, if this is meant to be great. And I just was like dropping a nuclear
bomb boom out there. And then that's how it kind of came back. So I'm sure Jill, you had a
other experiences or examples. I think with Jen and I literally, it usually happens over wine,
right? And it's just Jen and I, I feel like wine amplifies things, by the way. I really do.
It gives us the courage to dream big, right? And it's just us like having sister talk. But in those
moments, what's really bizarre is like yes, we're sisters and yes, we're close. But it really is
almost like there is a connectivity that's bigger than us. That's bigger than Jennifer and Jill
that's happening. It's almost like it's taking that energy. And the interesting part of it,
it's not exactly the way we dreamed it up over wine. But it has enough specifics in it to make
us recognize when it's happening, right? And I think that that's the chill moment. So when I was on
the phone with Melissa and Jen and Jenny, and just hearing her say the words that we said, like,
and if you know an editor, because and we're like, and Jenny to come along with us. And the same
thing when we met Kim Russo, specific words that came out of our mouth were coming out of her mouth.
And it wasn't the way I dreamed it. But it was so spot on to the experience. There was no
hesitation knowing that those messages were for me. So I like, so when we met Kim Russo, like
pulled Jennifer out of her seat, I was like, this is my sister. And we had that conversation.
And and we are blessed with an amazing reading from her. I do want to hear about that before we
get into the book. So how did you see we're talking and seeing around about Kim? And yeah,
and then I'll also link to your episodes that people can listen to the full thing.
I'll start. And then you cut me off and add anything that I'm forgetting because it's been a
while since I told this story. Go ahead. First, let me say this. I bought tickets to see Kim Russo
for my friend and I, not Jennifer. So that was the first serendipitous moment because Jennifer and
I, this was like 10 years ago and Jen and I were kind of fighting, right? We weren't getting along
because you know how sisters are. But so I called mom and I was like, oh my god, so and so is
flaking out. I mean, she's like, you need to take Jennifer. And I was like, oh, I was like, that's
because you know, sisters, you grow up with someone and you hear what they're saying, but you believe
it means something different. And that's what I was experiencing with Jennifer. So I'm like, this is
going to be an explosive weekend. There's got to be a lot of wine. And for some reason, Jen was at
my house the night before we were supposed to go meet Kim Russo and we're drinking on my couch,
sipping online, Jen, take it. And so we were the, the event was one of those, you know, group
readings, right? And so the site, you've seen this on TV all the time. The psychic is, it comes
up on a stage and there's an auditorium or a large theater. Yes, yes, not everybody gets a
reading. How many? I don't know 12 maybe, you know, or the course of two hours. And that psychic
walks around and certain people get readings and everybody else doesn't. So knowing that was going
to be the format the night before Jill and I were saying, okay, if we have the opportunity to talk to
Kim, what would we ask her? And so we sat there again, feet to feet looking at each other. And we
said, I would want to know because Jill was researching our father at that point. And she, she wanted
to know if she should be looking for documents like a death certificate, if that would help her
find our father because we didn't know whether he was alive or dead, right? So that was a question
that we had. The past life, you were saying how you felt drawn to certain areas of the world.
Right. So we were talking about past lives and I have never been to France, but I feel like the
South of France would be a place that has been my home in the past. So we were talking about past
lives. We were talking about animals, animals who passed over if they really have souls, if they
ever come through to her. So it started like a conversation, what if we talked to her and then
it kind of spiraled into other other things incidental to that conversation. The next morning,
we get up and we have to drive from battle Creek to Detroit where the event is and we get in the
car and we know from watching Kim Rousseau on TV that sometimes she gives crystals or rocks to
someone or gets them from people. So Jill wanted to take a particular crystal with her. When we got
in the car that morning, we started driving to Detroit. I don't know how far we were on the road
when we realized she forgot to take that stone. So we're like, oh, that's okay. That's okay.
You know, we'll still go. It'll still be fine. We get there and we could tell just from the parking lot,
we could feel energy. I remember like we were hopping, literally hopping like, you know how when
you're a kid playing with Barbie dolls, like your feet are just like no knee bending here. We
were literally hopping and people were getting out of our way. So we bounce into this theater and
it's a casino and we find our seats and don't you know it. Nicole, we are center of the aisle. We're
in the center of the row, which is perfect. Well, yes and no. Usually they go around the ends.
Yeah, but I sight wise. Anyway, I'm following. That's true. So we were sitting. I don't know how many
rows back, maybe six, seven rows back, I guess in the middle of the row, which wasn't ideal that we
were in the middle of the row, but nonetheless, we sit there and we're both sitting straight,
like just waiting, like little antennas. It just felt so charged. And so then finally,
Kim Rousseau comes out and she doesn't start her demonstration right away. She's pacing back and
forth on the stage and she's talking about her process. And during the time where she's explaining
how she works with spirit, she brings up past lives. And if you've ever felt like you were, you
would be at home in a place that you've never been to, that means you were there before. And Jill and
I were like, hmm, and we look at each other and we look back at her like, that's really the she
should mention that because we those were the same words we used yesterday, but whatever. Then she
talks about pets. And if you're wondering if a pet can come through, yes, they can come through.
Now she and I are looking at each other like, come on, can get out of our heads. I don't know what
which craft this is, but you know, we were just talking about this yesterday. And then she starts her
her demonstration and and she says some letters, you know, the letters of both of our names.
We don't use our real surnames on the pod for obvious reasons, but our last names, because we're
both married, the three first letters of our last names are the same. And those are the letters she's
saying. And you're like waving, you're like waving in the crowd. I'm like trying to get up out of
her grip and she's like holding my shoulder. I'm like, I know what I cause a scene. No one
else is standing up. And then she says, I lean and then I reen. Well, I reena is our grandmother.
So I finally couldn't hold Jill down anymore because then she mentioned Elizabeth. Oh, and that's
Jill's middle name. So then I was like, I'm off. I shook Jen off of me. I'm like, not today.
And I get up and like and she says, if you when you stand up, if you think the messages are from
you, the whole party needs to stand up. Everyone you came with. So I bolt up. Jennifer is mortified.
Jen is really shy just by nature. So she's like crumbling and like sitting down in her seat and I'm
like, get up here. Like pulling her up by her lapels because we didn't mention that there's cameras
on you. So if you're standing up, there's there's a huge jumbo tron with your image up there.
Anyway, so I'm standing up. I'm pulling Jennifer by the back of the neck up and someone else
stands up from the other from a couple of rows back. So there's going to be a rumble. Exactly.
I was ready for it. But Kim's like, no, no, no fighting. She was like, spirit's going to work this
out. And she says, whoever has the stones in their wallet is who I need to speak to. Well, Jennifer
looks at me like, now what? Because you didn't bring the stones. But I always have stones in my wallet.
And it just occurred to me. I'm like, oh, my God, I have stones in my wallet. So I like scream
that and I'm all shaky. And I go down to my purse and the huge cameras like on my hand shaking.
And I pull out this rainbow opal that someone had given me a couple weeks back. And so they're
passing it down. They're like, peck, peck, peck, peck until it gets to Kim. And Kim's like,
and the whole theater goes, like gasps, every one of the theater gasps. So then it was so amazing.
Then she, I wanted to know specifically because we grew up in a family that has so many
different types of experiences with like ghost and in mediumship and psychic energy. I want to know
if what I was experiencing was genuinely mediumship because I'm comparing myself to my grandma
who's like, holier than now, literally, that full on people are coming to her with like visual
apparitions. That's not how I roll. So I'm like, well, am I doing it? Because I was comparing myself
to my grandma. So the first thing she says to me is, you're a medium. And I was like, I knew it.
I knew it. I knew it. And then she relayed many messages that that really were in sync. Not only
what we were talking about that we wanted to know, we never even asked her a question. She was just
answering the questions Jennifer and I had the night before when we were drinking on the couch at my
house. And the major question, the major question about dad, she answered that question too. She
said that he, he wasn't passed yet. He was right on the brink of passing away. So that answered
our question. Oh, I just got chills, which is probably also why you guys were so heavy into
searching and finding him because you intuitively and or psychically picked up on it. Exactly.
You know what else though? When I take a step further, and I think about the the process it
took for me to find our dad's family and information about our father, all that research, all that
know how I put into the podcast now. Yes, because that's what it was sounding like when you guys were
talking or when Jen you were saying about the South of France and everything else you were
starting to get those intuitive hits. And then now that totally makes sense that that's the process
she would follow. Mm hmm. Very cool. So anything else about the Kim Russo experience and door
about manifesting, I think that's really helpful for everyone to hear about the importance of
intention, but also what I was picking up on when you guys were talking, you're kind of sitting
feet to feet, sister to sister, it's also about prayer and then the power of energy when it's not
just one person thinking that or feeling that or putting that out there, it gets goes back to how
energy works and how things manifest with the universe. I really think and Jen and I literally
just had this conversation yesterday that what's really important to know is that you are constantly
manifesting, whether you know it or not and what's dangerous is that people that don't subscribe
to psychignis is that they're manifesting things that they had no clue that they're responsible for.
Just the other day I told I live on a little lake and I live in an area where some people pass my
house the same people like five times and it's an awkward situation because how many times do I wave
at the same person in 30 minutes. So I told the neighbor I'm like you don't have to keep waving at me
and now no one's waving at me like I literally and like I have to go to my neighbor and just undo
what I did because I like being waved to it just not consistently over 10 minutes like four times.
So I really have to be clear what I meant by that and kind of clear that up but that's a really
great example of like be careful what you say and what you're bringing about with your words.
Yes and what was coming to mind too and you said that is I know people are going to be a little
bit frustrated when they hear this but you're exactly where you need to be and you're experiencing
the exact things that you manifested. So if you're in a relationship that you're not necessarily
happy with if you are not receiving or having the financial experiences and abundance that you want
we tend to you know try and ask okay well why and it's because we to your point maybe on autopilot
and aren't thinking of our thoughts thinking of our emotions we or it's bottled up and we're
thinking to ourselves okay well I haven't said it out loud or I haven't really put it out there that
it's an intention I want but you're living and you're breathing and you're experiencing it so many
times in your life that it does manifest and that's why it's so important for you to be conscious
of things and even more so to put those intentions out there when you do want change or you do want
something to you know flow in a different way. Well if someone's listening and feels frustrated by
whatever circumstance they're in I just want to say that I wish I had a father that I didn't have
to research about but in those moments I learned a skill that I'm able to use in a different way
and that is I feel like the essence of my life I never get what I want but I always get what I
need and I never understand that at the time and it reminds me of that story Jen that you and I
were talking about about the interview that you had oh really yeah do you want to talk about it
I don't want to put it on the spot no no I'm ready to talk about it but I just want to say a
couple things on what you guys were talking about first I feel like part of the reason that Jill and
I are so powerful when we come together is because both Jill and I have very strong relationships
to our people on the other side I have a really and so does Jill with our mother and our grandmother
our grandpa and our aunt all people who are pivotal in in helping us develop the gifts that we have
so I feel like when Jill and I get together and we go to that spot they're all there too because
both of us have that that connection they're so strong because we call on them every day and that
relationship is is something that we foster regularly intentionally and when we come together it's
still there and it really just amplifies our power it doesn't feel like it's just Jill and me
it feels like it's all of us does that make sense oh absolutely and that's why it's so important
when I talk about connecting with your spirit team or connecting with your guides and angels and
your loved ones on the other side because they are meant to be a support system and not just guide us
but exactly what you're saying there's things they can do on the other side that we can't do in
human form and vice versa and so it just makes this an extremely powerful team and then the other
thing I wanted to say to your point about you don't always get what you want you get what you need
we Jill and I have talked about the phenomenon where if you don't learn a lesson from the situation
you're in you will get it again and again and again until you learn that lesson because it's part
of your journey it's one of the things that you're here to learn so Jill has a really good example
with interacting with that narcissist sociopath archetype like when we were growing up there was
someone close to our family who had this personality and Jill unfortunately was in a situation where
she had to deal with this specific personality fast forward several years later Jill you had that
same personality come up in different places mm-hmm because I we grew up I learned at a very young
age because we grew up in a in a household where you didn't get to choose like who's around you as
a kid you have no control over that so when I was officer and age I was like well now I have control
with who's in my life so I just cut that out I was like I don't want to deal with that that's
something I am for sure not dealing with so when I cut it out fast forward a couple of years later
that same personality diabolical lying and what was really frustrated is people bought into it so I
again was one of the only people that were seeing things as they were and that bothers me I'm like
nobody nobody around me sees this but me and it was a hard experience and I got out of it but
even in that experience what I what I learned from it is that because I had that second experience
with that second person which I really wish I didn't have but it created a stronger bond elsewhere
that carries me today so even though it's a hard lesson to learn I wish I didn't learn it I see
the benefits of having going through that if someone would have gave me a choice long before like do
you want to go through this I would have said no because I don't know what I don't know and I don't
see the bigger picture but now like today looking back I'll be like oh yeah I do that again because
now I'm here yes you know so even no matter what you go through in your life I I tease like people
that call us and want want messages or want to know if they're psychic they're like I I had a hard
life I've not always been holy I don't deserve this gift and I'm like okay stop that I'm like we
are basically psychics going in the back door we don't start out oh we get there we work our senses
even Jesus even Jesus he had a temper tantrum at the temple who's throwing shit around that wasn't
cool Jesus get it together bro but like honestly like that's what we are we don't come out in
light and we work our senses and we rely on spirit that's the ascension yes amen and I don't
mean to be religious but I was feeling like some preaching and I love it and Jill you didn't say
this but I want to I want to make this point that second time that you were in a situation with
that same personality still sucked you it did but it was a situation where you couldn't just cut
this person out you had to work with this person so the universe presented it again it's like
if you're stuck in an elevator with the person and you're just like there's the doors are shut I
can't go up or down or open it's like I'm stuck I got to work it out yeah right but you were farther
ahead because you recognized some of those same characteristics right so you were little farther ahead
a little farther I still had the I still had the temper tantrums you know what I mean I was still
like really are you serious right now again so yeah hopefully that hopefully you never know right
like did I learn it because then you're looking around every corner like so hopefully there would
be no more of that well and I also think when you were talking about did I learn it and looking
around the corner it's a good sense of awareness and acknowledgement that at least then you're
you recognize there was something to take away from the situation and you were asking probably
the question of did I grow and did I make any progress from this and I've found this is not a
shortcut but usually then in that instance I would probably say okay I am asking my higher self I'm
asking my spirit team I'm asking Universal God that if there is anything else that I need to heal
or learn from the situation I'm allowing that to be known and to be done and you know you can do
some things as well throughout that process it may not hit all of it and get it out if you
haven't paid attention but at least that's again part of that progress and like you said Jen on
the spiritual journey their lessons which I don't like to use the word lessons like experiences
because lessons feel like school and hard work but that is the reality of what it is so we were
talking about how Jill and I are very different and it's it's our greatest strength it can also
be a challenge but in in that kind of context talking about your your higher self and Jill and I
were talking about just the other day what does that feel like when you're in tune with your higher
self and I was we were having a conversation about me and my experience because it's very different
from Jill's experience Jill Jill was psychic out of the womb she really was from from the very
beginning and I think Nicole you had a similar sort of childhood experience where you knew
at you know on a certain level that you were communicating with beings outside of yourself right
for me it was very different I she had kids to raise out of the womb Jennifer was born
an older sister right I was an older sister so I I had to be practical and I had to help my mom
take care of things but as a result I'm very goal oriented I I create a goal I worked towards the
goal and I check it off my list well you know the fact that I'm here is a result of a one moment
that is frozen in my mind because it is the moment where I saw very clear clearly to me in my
mind I the fork in the road ahead and it was it was an interview I was I'm a teacher and I have two
masters degrees in the field of education and I went on an interview to be an assistant principal
and I sat there and it was going great Nicole he does this principal he was into me professionally he
was into me we were vibing we were talking about books that we read we both like historical fiction
it was going great I could have I knew this is your job Jennifer this is your job if you want it
and it was going fantastic and then I got the question where do you see yourself in five years
the dreaded question I just got chills I just got chills and I said you know I'm just not sure
because Nicole up until that point I had been feeling like something was missing from my life
and I didn't know what it was but I knew that I was suppressing a part of myself and that part was
that whole you know psychic spiritual piece I wasn't using it I wasn't doing anything with it
you're in the psychic closet I was and I said I don't know and so then he told me what to say
like I'm literally going to feed this to you so you can have the positions yes yes he said
here at this school I'm looking to hire someone who can follow along in my footsteps I want to be
able to retire and I want to be able to groom that person into the position and I think you'd be a
good fit so where do you want to be in five years and I looked at him and I said I just don't know
he wanted you to say in your seat he wanted me to say I wanted to be a principal I wanted to be the
principal of his building when I said that I knew that I had chosen a road which in my logical
brain it was just one interview it didn't mean my entire career but I knew I knew I could see it
I could see the path when I when I said that and I got my car and I cried and I cried and I cried
because it's everything that I had worked for for the past 15 years of my career that's I it was
handed to me and I said no to it and I got to school and one of my my mentor teachers I went to
her office and I just cried and I cried and I cried and she said Jen why didn't you just tell him
that you wanted to be a principal and I said Linda I didn't want to sell my soul those are the
words that I said which is what you were you were doing the interview because you wanted to put so
but you recognized something in that moment energetically yes I recognize so I think that was a
moment of clarity for me that I needed to make a change in my life and that doing what I thought
was going to make me happy wasn't going to fulfill me in a way that I was yearning to be fulfilled
and the only way that I could do that was to explore this realm you know that you and Jill kind
of have lived in all your life and if I had taken that job I would be an administrator in a school
somewhere right now and I wouldn't have any kind of time to do any of this this would not be my
reality so so yeah I think it all comes down to those moments and if you're if you're open and
aware and paying attention they they can change everything yes absolutely and I think the other
thing too is I'm just going to share a little bit I was in a session with somebody the other day and
she was asking you know I'm sure you guys have had this experience too whether somebody's in a
relationship where they know in their heart it's ended and they just haven't made the decision to
leave or to take those steps it could be a career it could be multiple multiple things and for
anyone listening the important part of all this is to say sometimes you can recognize in a moment
like at least you Jen in the seat you decided in that moment to say okay I'm not going to sell my
soul and I'm not going to say something that's not truthful because you were feeling the energy
in the pool but for people that still know and understand it's okay to not necessarily make that
change or make that decision in the moment as long as you are then starting to honor the direction
and the energy that you feel you need to head into eventually because I promise you it's
going to happen at some point and when we are in these those transition stages and where we're
trying to feel the emotions and all of that universe is there to support us but it doesn't
mean we have to rip the bandaid off in that moment but to your point there is a fork in the road
there is a distinction before we hopped on and you know Jen and I were waiting for Jill to join I
was talking to Jen about this moment a couple weeks ago that I had with my boss at my full-time job
and I was crying on the phone like video conferencing with him and I was very calm cool and collected
and centered inside but the outside of me was like crying and it was because I realized that I had
made a choice but I hadn't spoken that choice out loud in such firm ways or words about knowing
that my career as far as PR and marketing full-time was going to come to an end sooner rather than
later but it's hard to take that step and to say out loud to someone what it is that you know
that you need to do to move forward to be truthful to yourself and where you're headed and it's
scary it's especially when your whole framework has been leading up to where you are and then to be
like everything I built I'm just going to walk away from and it goes back to trust right surrender
yes but I will say this there's always another fork in the road there's always another fork in
the road so it's not like I don't believe there's it's it's possible that we miss it all together
you'll always have another chance if you're supposed to go in that direction and your education is
all not for not right like she we have right now we're using Jennifer Brain which is amazing
to watch it really is something we had developed a an assessment to see we created a framework
about where you are on the psych spectrum we used our tap for patrons so whoever subscribes to
our top four patreon page tear four we were meeting every month and we were having conversations
and at first that we they just wanted to hang out with us and we're like well this is fine but we
want to give we want to give you something so Jen and I created this assessment based on our
understanding of how our energy works and how we're eventually communicating with spirit and we
sent them out and we're getting them back and it is so cool to understand where they're at it's
like seeing their souls and to watch Jennifer Brain be like oh well that's what this means and I'm
like you know that like she understands the data and she understands how to fine tune it to help
people move forward on their path not only like where to go but where you are like you are here
this is where you want it's so exciting it seriously is so exciting what's always been
frustrating to me with this work is what are the indicators how do I know I'm improving what am I
looking for and so we try to create questions based around a larger curriculum this has been in
development for over a year at this point but and the the whole idea is if you take a self assessment
just understand what your own personal indicators are because I'm different from you and you're
different from Jill and every every person experiences spirit differently so what are your personal
indicators and then once you start recognizing that you'll know your KPIs for those in marketing
and research and what's a KPI key performance indicator there you go exactly so anyway so yeah it's
it just seems to all be coming together in ways that I I never anticipated not only that I think as
psychics and Jen and I had taken different psychic workshops what we're noticing when we talk to
other psychics and other intuitives they always lead with the conclusion like this is what I did
this is what happened and for me I'm very process I'm okay what does that look like break that down
because you're giving me a conclusion so how do you know you cross over spirit what were the senses
what were the things that you were experiencing and when you have people break it down not only will
help them better understand themselves and their connection to spirit but other people listening
can grow from that experience because other people be like could either be like well I don't
experience like that but many are like okay I do and so many people sharing have a more of an
opportunity to say oh my gosh I do identify it that way as being psychic yeah and that's really
important because a lot of times when people will come to me they ask I'm sure I'm sure with you as
well okay I feel like I'm an empath or I think that I'm a medium or and it is about what you are
saying the end results and the conclusion versus not you know what Jen experiences with Jill
experiences when I experience could be completely different and I that's where we get hung up and
that is the frustrating part is because if they say okay Nicole why can't hear them the way you
hear them and that means that I don't have it that's not the case because it all depends again
about the how you're receiving information and that's the exactly what you said Jill where are you
in that stage or process eventually you want to be able to move the needle and to grow it
and to strengthen it to some extent obviously if that's why you're into it but I love that so
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