Numerology and Karmic Debt

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And if you are not familiar with Lauren, she was on episode 119 numerology, where we talked about the basics of numerology and her whole story and what brought her to numerology and how she practices it today. So if you haven't listened to that episode, recommend that you go back and listen to that because that'll give you a really good foundation of what we're going to be talking about today in this bonus episode. And in this bonus episode, it's going to cover a bunch of different things, but just to give you a quick highlight, we're going to discuss karmic debt numbers and how karmic debt numbers impact your core numbers, reasons why someone or some of you may not necessarily identify with your life path number and much more. But welcome back to the show, Lauren. Thank you so much, Nicole. I'm so thrilled to be back. Yes, excited to dive in more to this. I got a lot of questions. I'm sure you probably have, too, since last time we talked, and so many people were fascinated by numerology, how simple it could be, but then also how complex it could be. And I think covering the additional things that we didn't have a chance to get to you last time is a really awesome way to kind of kick start us off here. So what is karmic debt numbers? All right. Yeah, let's get right into it. So karmic debt numbers. So let's first talk about what is karma. Right. I'm sure a lot of people have heard about like, Oh, there's good karma, bad karma, things like that. I kind of want to start right there and say like, first of all, there's really no good or bad karma. Really, it's more like degrees of karma, I guess, like, depending on, you know, the actions put forward based on the ego. So that really what karma is related to the universal law of cause and effect. Right. So karma creates these energetic entanglements. So from previous lifetimes by someone may be acting out of ego rather than unconditional love. Right. And so because of that, they're trying to, we're coming into this lifetime to balance any energies that maybe have caused wounding to anyone else in the past, or even within ourselves as well, we're coming back to learn these lessons. And first of all, like really knowing your karma is extremely validating when you hear about your karma and it gives you acceptance into just to have the knowledge of the challenges in your life. And once you're able to accept it, you can really learn to push through it. Right. And then learn to live on the light side of the number, because no one is ever, we don't need to identify with our karmic debt numbers. It's just like, okay, we have a little bit more of a challenge. We're starting a little bit behind the starting line, but that's really our soul's chance to balance those energies. So I really like to think that there is a gift in the karmic debt numbers because someone experiencing karmic debt, you experience the sometimes the darkest hardest was difficult expressions of the number. And then once you're really able to transcend that that karmic loop and really learn the lessons, like, like I said, through unconditional love, then you really experience the energy of that number at its highest vibration and really being able to fully appreciate the beauty in it. And also, I like to say too, whenever I see someone that has karmic debt numbers in their chart, either just one or even multiple ones, I really think it speaks to the tenacity of someone's soul coming into this life. And if they have quite a few, it's like, okay, this person really wanted to deal with all these challenges, like in this lifetime, rather than spread it out between multiple lifetimes. It's like, let's just, I'm here. I want to deal with it and balance the energy. And I do want to, I don't want to derail the conversation, but I do want to take a little bit of time to talk about karma because it's not one of my favorite topics. Right. I think, and also just the word lesson, which I've shared on the show before, but I kind of, I don't want to like get around it necessarily because I do recognize that there is karma. Right. Karma, karma is energy in, energy out and how you just had mentioned it beautifully is that there are still things or experiences that we intend to have these experiences and just to be able to understand that. And to evolve in our soul's growth and without them, we're not going to be able to necessarily get to that quote unquote level or that next devolution of our soul's growth. But I guess one of the things that I'm just feeling kind of led to share with with karma is this is a tool with the numerology to help you understand that. You know, sometimes when people come to me in sessions, they say, well, I feel blocked or I'm having these obstacles or why do I keep experiencing x, y, and z over and over again? Because of my karma. So there's that, but then there's also what you're talking about, which, you know, it sounds like this is almost like a blueprint of sorts or forecast to be able to say, what are those numbers that resonate and then how, how you can maybe kind of start to see those patterns. Exactly. Yes. Exactly. That's why I like to say it is numerology is definitely a tool to people do that. I always like to clarify to people like, you don't, with numerology, you don't want to bet everything in it, right? You're still your intuition is always number one, right? And a lot of times people will, when I tell them, like, you know, explain the karmic debt numbers and they're like, yeah, I feel this in my life and it's just validating in that way. And it's usually something people already know. They already realized this, but then it's like, Oh, okay, I can see, you know, now I understand why I have such a challenge around it. So let's get into what the karmic debt numbers are. Right. So there are four karmic debt numbers. We've got 13, 14, 16 and 19. So if you notice, all of these have the first digit one in them, right? And I mentioned earlier about karma is you're, you know, someone acting out of ego, right, rather than unconditional love. And that's really where that one is being pulled in into that number because you can look at a karmic debt number. And yes, it has that root number. So like, say for the 13, it's actually a 13 for right. And so there's that root number four, that that's the lesson that's trying to be learned and honed. But looking at the double digit that comes before it can really give you an understanding of what, like what was imbalanced in the previous lifetime. And like I said, they all have the one all related to the ego, maybe being a little bit too selfish. Right. Not at like again, not acting out of unconditional love and just compassion for others. All right. And so I think I already said so I like to see of it as not, they're not punishments at all. I don't, I don't like looking at karma as that at all either. And it's just giving your soul a chance to balance out these energies. So let's talk about 13. So with 13, what this will looking at the one in the three. So this tells us in a previous or maybe a parallel lifetime. However, you believe, you know, in past lives. You may be acted selfishly or childishly, right. There's with that one and then the childish side of it is the three energy coming in. If you recall, I talked about all the root numbers on our last interview, right. And so the three is the very youthful child like number. But the 13 is indicating that maybe you didn't take accountability or responsibility for yourself in a previous lifetime and maybe leaving those obligations and responsibilities for other people to take on, like putting more on other people's shoulders rather than dealing with them yourself. So how it can show up now in this lifetime is maybe you're being very restrictive, right, because the four alone when in balance can be very boxed in, right, can cause restriction in the first place. But then when you add that karmic 13 that like that selfishness right that was behind it. You can tend to just really get stuck in a box and really dealing with the same things over and over again. Right. Like, like I think you mentioned that you have people that come to you and ask you, why am I dealing with these over and over again. It's yeah, because we're not, you're not thinking creatively to get outside of that issue. And so you're constantly dealing with it and it's, it's going to keep coming back. Right. And tell me when I was watching. Yeah. And I was also getting that you think, I love how you say the box and getting out of it creatively. You may also think through things linearly, right? Like there's, there's an e-port and either or there's no, there's no other options. There's not necessarily possibilities outside of what you're thinking those answers are. Yeah. And exactly. And the only, like there's no limitation to any possibility. The only limitation is your own imagination. And that that's really key for someone that has the 13 for in their chart is to remember that like don't not to resist reality to understand and accept reality, but also come up with creative solutions. You're never limited. You're never boxed in. That's, that's your own self doing that. And what I'm also getting is that, and this is, by the way, this isn't just like a, okay, here's a checkbox. These are the numbers. And then this is what I have to kind of experience or learn. This is energy. Right. So when we're talking about experiences that you continue to have and you're wondering why I thought I quote unquote learned my lesson and then it's coming back. What is it? It goes back to again, just, I'll give an example. Let's say you're constantly in relationships that are not necessarily for your best and highest good or serving you. Or the people that are with you constantly cheat or maybe you do or whatever it is. And you just can't seem to find that, you know, person for you that's, you know, committed and loving you unconditionally. Well, you may think I just need to find a different type of person or personality. I've been going about it the wrong way and everything or I'm settling or whatever it is. And that is the human brain or the human way of looking at it. When you look at it energetically, like, okay, how do I change and shift my energy and my perspective and my perception and I'm open to their possibilities, then that situation somewhat dissipates and you break down that energy or that obstacle that's holding you back. And so that's what the four, right? Or the 13, I should say, Carmichael is probably trying to teach you or help you understand. Okay. Exactly. It's trying to help you get a firm foundation. Like, remember, four, that's what we talked about, stability and foundation, but having that healthy relationship with self control and boundaries. And like I said, being open to it, being open to all the possibilities. So, on to number 14. So, again, let's look at the one in the four, right? So that means that in previous lifetimes, you experience maybe your personal freedoms being restricted. Or maybe you didn't fully appreciate the freedom that you have or abuse the freedom, because 14 again is the root number five, one plus four is five, right? Five is all about freedom and always and communication and expression and being social, just being completely open. And so how the energy comes across in this lifetime is, again, you may be creating your own limitations in the way it's similar to the 14, but in this way it's more like literally experiencing, like I said, something that you see as a limitation of not being able to try something new or really feel free or like you're doing walking your own path. And it's a lot of around maybe thinking that you should do something or you know you must do something rather than really following your own heart, and really what you want to do. So again, it's that four energy, it's blocking yourself in rather than living in the free five energy. And so there's another expression as well. So while someone can be very self restricted with the 14, they could also go the opposite way and really live completely boundless, right, with no regard for obligations, no commitments. And so they're further taking that selfishness and, you know, lack of structure and stability and becoming maybe a little bit reckless or even self destructive in this lifetime. And that's very much in the shadow side of the five. Right. So really the lesson of the the karmic 14 five is learning a healthy balance and still having self discipline, but also in the way that you're doing something that you're doing. But also in enjoying the fun and just enjoying life in general. I think I might be that. You think so? I don't know. It's just not the destruction and that part. But anyway, continue. I do. I am curious. I'm going to ask you later what mine is, but it's resonating about the freedom part and feeling restricted. And I think that's because of past life stuff. But yeah. So, I think that's interesting. It definitely could be. There's other places to that we will are going to talk about that could indicate something like that as well. So on to 16. So with the 16, it indicates that in a previous lifetime you may be acted out of a selfish behavior and hurt others in relationships. So somebody that you deeply cared for. You weren't compassionate and it was maybe maybe just ended things abruptly. Or, you know, you really didn't take them into account and you just, well, this isn't right for me and I'm just moving on. So it's really lacking compassion in your relationships. So how it carries forward into this lifetime is you could have this subconscious guilt around the hurt that you inflicted on others from the previous lifetime, which comes across as more of a self worth issues in your relationships this time. Right, because you hurt someone previously. And now it's a more of a vulnerability that you have and can be an expressed in a fear of abandonment. So again, there's two different expressions that this can come out. So someone may really deal with this fear by really distancing themselves from others. So it's like, I don't even want to deal with that. Right. So I'd rather keep myself safe and be very guarded. Sometimes they're leaning way too much into that one energy being a little bit too self centered and only focused on themselves and pushing other people away. Or they could lean more into the sixth energy, which is, remember, we talked about six on the previous episode six is like the nurturer. Right. It's extremely compassionate. And, but also with the six who tend to want to take care of others so much to the detriment of ourselves. So they could be leaning into the six and constantly sacrificing their own needs and feelings in order to keep those people close because they have that fear of abandonment. Right. So that's where both of these, these numbers, you know, either expression, you need to lean more into the root number seven, right? One plus six is seven. We need to lean more into that and really being wise and true to yourself, but also facing your fears and insecurities in order to really discover who you are as a whole, you know, and not have to be worried that, you know, that you're left alone or abandoned that you're like, you are whole in yourself. Right. So, and then 19. This is the final carment gut number. So this indicates in a previous lifetime that maybe you allowed your position of power to go to your head, right, using it to hurt others and your quest to stay on top. Right. So this is like an abusive power with this energy. And so how it can come across in this lifetime is you may constantly compare yourself to others, maybe more of an inferiority complex. Right. And you can come up about two ways. Right. So you may tend to act a little bit more selfishly and manipulate others so that you can feel on top in that way. And it's still continuing that carmic loop of that, you know, the selfish, the one, the 19 energy. Or how I see a lot of my clients, it expresses itself in lack of confidence, a lot of self doubt inferiority complexes. But really this, this carmic energy is really has to do with the self worth and a lot around the solar plexus right and having solar plexus in balance. So you can either be very overactive or underactive in that way. But yeah, I think all of these, I know there's specific lessons in them all, but really they're all related to not acting around the ego and really trying to be in alignment with source, which is the vibration of unconditional love. And really by following your Dharma or your purpose, you'll be in doing it unconditionally, right? You'll be in that vibration and continuing your spiritual practices and a lot of things that you talk about on this podcast and being open to those things and working towards your soul's path could really help you come in alignment and help you not create anymore karma, right? And just, and then help you balance those energetic entanglements that you brought with you in this life. And again, and numerology is, it's just a tool that we can use that can help us become aware that these are in our lives. And does everyone have a carmic debt number or is it only certain people and then how do you determine it? So it depends on your numbers. So we talked about in the last episode about how to calculate your life path number. So if your birthday, your full birthday reduces down to one of these numbers, or if you're literally born on the 13th, 14th, 16th or 19th, you'll have some of these energies. And then if they're ever like in your expression number, your soul urge or your personality number. So any of your core numbers, if it calculates down to those numbers, then you'd have that in your life. And it affects everyone differently. You know, there's no just black and white way to say like, yes, everyone's going to have this expression. And even the impact of it will be different depending on what your core numbers are. And it's actually a good time. It goes right into, you know, where they show up in your chart and how it affects your, your life and your expression of the number. So if it is in your life path number, so because we talked about in the last podcast, do your life path number is your most essential number of your core numbers. So because that this holds your main lessons this lifetime, your deepest emotional temperaments, but your natural dispositions. But because this is your main number, I also mentioned that I call it your heart number, because I studied that I practice the human body method. So a lot of times I'll say life path or heart number and like that. But if you think of it as your heart number, right, this is where your emotions lie. So if someone has a karmic debt number in their heart, not only do we have a little bit of challenges expressed in the way that I just spoke about, but there may be a little bit more of an issue with dealing with your emotions, maybe a little bit feeling anxious or defensive. But just overall, having a difficulty accessing your heart, or if it's in your expression number or what I call your hands number, and actually as well as your birthday number. Because both of these speak to your talents and abilities, it may make you feel that you're not able to fully express your talents, right, or that they're not fully appreciated, or maybe you're not even appreciating them fully. And I have a personal connection with this, I have a 14, 5 in my expression number. And yeah, I fully felt that growing up, you know, 5 is like I said, is about communication is about expression as well, and being social and just living on the light side. So with being in my talents, I definitely felt that and felt in my career, my previous life, my career that I never really felt like my talents were being appreciated. And even in myself, I didn't, right, and I always felt like I was holding myself back in that way. And so it can even come across as a social aspect as well, like growing up is always this shy kid, right, you know, I was afraid to speak my mind. But inside I had this, all these stories going on in my mind and all kinds of exciting things, but I was afraid to share it. Right, and it wasn't until very recently, you know, and stepping into this career path and really putting myself out there. I was able to break through it and really start feeling the gift that I talked about of the karmic, the karmic lesson of it and really feeling like how amazing it feels to be on the other side of it, like not that it's ever completely going away, but I understand how to work with it. And just how, what I need to focus more on to be able to bring those talents and express my abilities fully. Yeah. And what you said about understanding, to me, understanding something is super empowering because then it's also respecting that part of yourself and knowing that even like you said, it may not necessarily always go away, but at least you know and understand where it's coming from to some extent. And then also recognizing it and saying, okay, do I keep this part of myself and or do I lean into it or do I let it go or what is it you understand again, kind of how to take that next step. If there is a next step. Exactly. Yeah, it kind of helps you give you a little bit of roadmap of how to work with it if that's what you want to do, but it also like you said, it gives you that acceptance to also be like, well, you know what, yeah, I guess I have this challenge, but that's part of me. Right. And I understand that and I love that part of me as well, right. And I understand that's part of my path to work through. So like if somebody's bullheaded or direct or sensitive or whatever, I always feel like certain traits of that nature or personality aspects are not weaknesses. They're strengths, but their strengths can sometimes also be our weakness, right. And it just as a matter of when do we again, when I use the word lean in or the term lean in a lot on the show. And that's because it's, it's really the acceptance and just embracing that aspect or that part of yourself and what's what you're experiencing. So I love that. I did have a quick question now before we move on. Yeah. When you say the numbers 13 14 16 and 19 and then they add up to four five seven and one right essentially. Is that also the karmic numbers so when you say if somebody has like the 13 the 14 the 16 19 or is it also the four five seven and one. So not just the four five seven and one alone. So it would have to have that the base number of like someone would have to have like a 19 one in this chart versus having a 10 one. You know, having that different that specific double digit number before it. And it's the day not the year. Right. The birthday number is the day of your birth right but then when you calculate your life path number that takes the month, the day and the year all together and reduces it down. Yeah, I was just trying to if somebody was listening and they said okay, you know, just trying to clarify for them how to calculate that then okay. Yeah. Okay. Great. So did did you cover everything about the karmic debt numbers and how they impact your your core numbers. There's just a couple more real quick ones. Yeah. This the other way it can be if it's in your soul urge number or what I call your head number right so those are your belief systems, how you think, but your inner desires. So because that's in your what I call your head number, you're maybe you feel like you're less able to trust your own judgment and maybe think that you're not able to see things realistically. It can come across in that way or then if it's in your personality number or your legs number, you may have more of an issue with your self worth and become too preoccupied and worried about what other like how other people perceive you. That can really show up in that way as well. On top of having say it was a 19 one which already is related to the self worth, but then if you put it in the legs, there's even more emphasis on that. And really, like I said, being worried about coming across a perfect way, you know, and worried about your self image. That was super helpful. Thank you for walking us through all of that. But yeah, let's let's move on to that next part. Yeah, so I, the reason why I want to talk about this is because it's not, you know, it's pretty rare that I do find people that come to me and they're like, you know, yes, this is my life that number of them like that doesn't really sound like me. It's more rare, but there's usually more degrees of it will some of you like yeah, I feel that a little bit, but sometimes people are completely do not identify with it. And there's multiple different reasons how this can happen. So first of all, if you have, we're talking about that if you have a karmic debt number in your life path number, right, that can be a little bit harder to connect to your heart, your inner essence and your emotions. Right, and those specific lessons you're here to learn, which sometimes refer to like your purpose or your destiny, or maybe in your core numbers, you may even have like energetically stronger, more dominant numbers and other key locations in your chart, such as like say in your expression number, your soul urge number, and those kind of take over and run the show. Like, for example, if you have a two life path number, which is much more gentle and more subdued and more quiet in that way, and say your expression in your soul or just like an eight and a seven or something. So eight and seven are much more masculine energies are more emotionally controlled or very focused versus like we talked about the two is very gentle right, and it's softer. And so those bigger more masculine energies can take over, especially in our society where, or think of if say this was a male with this chart and then our society tells a lot of times unfortunately tells men they have to be this certain way. Right, and in the opposite of women, we're told that we have to be these gentle, very feminine beings when it's like, well, no, we're all made up of divine masculine and feminine energies. Right, and so we can express them no matter which way. And so someone when they have a chart like that, they may tend to just lean more into those more focused masculine energies, rather than what's truly in their heart, which wants compassion and wants to focus on intimacy and relationships. This is also reminding me a little bit of astrology. So, you know, I have a lot of Pisces elements and that's water, but it wasn't until I understood my moon and rising and other signs that I realized I had so much areas in me, which is fire, which also meets the water. So they would, you know, it says to look up your horoscope and other aspects of those signs. And it's the same thing I think with the numbers too. It's not necessarily all in on just one number. There's other things that impact your overall numerological chart, I guess, right? Yes. Yeah, that's a really good example in time with neurology, or I'm sorry, with astrology. Yes, for sure. Okay, so another reason. I think I talked about this a little bit on the last podcast. Maybe you have very affected or easily influenced numbers, such like three years or fives, which are, you know, not, they're not as strong. They're not, they don't necessarily have such a strong backbone and will kind of take on the energies of others. So maybe your others are trying to tell you you should do a certain thing or, you know, or you act a certain way. And so you may tend to lean more into that just because that's, you know, if they have very strong numbers themselves, and especially if there's someone that you really respect in your life, right, and you kind of may take those on. Or even if someone has a lot of sixes in their chart, I mentioned earlier that the six, they really like to keep the balance and harmony in their environments. So they may tend to really keep things bottled up because they don't want to make waves, right? So if it may be easier, they may see like, okay, I don't have to rock the boat. If I just act this certain way, you know, the other, how other people expect me to, rather than really leaning into what's in their heart. I already talked a lot about, you know, some self worth issues that can come up, but because of this, it can cause people to change their demeanor based on who is around. Right. They may tend to, you know, flow into these different energies in order because they feel like they have to do that to be accepted. And maybe that's something as a child, they somehow received those messages, right, that they need to behave a certain way rather than being able to fully express who they are. And so it could be caused if there's also disharmony between the combinations of like your personality number and expression number along with your life path and soul urge number. So you may end up showing more of that personality side, right, rather than really embracing and embodying the core essence of your heart number. There's just a couple more here. So there's another way to if so, if you're long term cycles, we talked a little bit about that in the last episode as well about personal cycles. I think I mentioned we have like there's a forming cycle, your manifestation cycle, wisdom cycle throughout your life. But each cycle, not only do you have a cycle number and pinnacle number, but you have a challenge number. So the challenge is what you feel the lack of during that time where you have a little bit more friction around that energy, which is not to be confused with your carmics number. Even though it may feel like a challenge. Okay, got it. Right. So if that number that challenge number is the same. So if it's identical to your life path number, it may make it a little bit harder during that time to find your path to really access those emotions. And really to walk, like I said, your individual path towards your destiny. And then finally, this is an interesting one because it's much more specific to the human body method of numerology. But if you're very spiritually connected and you spend a lot of time in the spiritual realms, and you're so less grounded, less embodied, you may become more in touch with what we call the spiritual dimension of your chart. So these are the energies beyond the core numbers of your body in this lifetime. There's energies that we can calculate from all the other numbers that indicate different experiences of your soul that you have carried for many lifetimes. And they're really the subconscious energies that are coming into your life. But they become more conscious of someone is like I said, they're more spiritually connected with their soul's evolution. These numbers come out even more. Right. And so if someone's spending a lot of time and you know, just would like, I just want to be very spiritual. I want to be fully connected to my soul rather than thinking about the lessons they're trying to embody in this lifetime. You may lean more into that spiritual side versus like, you know, like I said, your body numbers and specifically your life path number. And you just for example, my life path number is a three, right? I've said it's that's the light, the child like energy just kind of trying to be the optimist. Well, my what we call a heart key, which is part of the spiritual dimension, my heart key is a seven. Right. The seven and the three are very different. Although they both are what we call learning numbers, they're very curious and always constantly want to learn more. But the seven is very deep. It's very, like I said, it's the observer. It likes to take its time. And so growing up and even, you know, throughout my adult life too, I feel like constantly pulled between. It's like, okay, sometimes I can be very energetic and enthusiastic and fun and social. But other times I can be very introverted and really, like I said, just want to ask those deep questions and constantly want to know the answers, which is really the energy of the seven. So that's how a lot of those different energies can come to play in your life and really help shape your life path number and all your other core numbers in your chart. That totally makes sense. Totally. And that's so I guess I'll talk a little bit more about the spiritual dimension. So since I mentioned that too. So like I said, this is unique to the human body method. These are the energies that your soul knows very well and has had many lifetimes to master. And they carry it forward into this lifetime. And so like I said, typically they are more subconscious. And as you evolve and learn to go inward more and listen to your intuition and really your own inner knowing, they'll become more conscious and they really, they really want to be conscious in your life, right? They really want to become active and connected in that way. So it adds a real and add additional depth to your numerology chart. And the more you get in touch of these energies, while still keeping in mind, right, we came into this lifetime to live out lessons. So not living too much in the spiritual dimension, but finding that balance. You can find a lot of healing and feel very empowered and obviously gain a deeper connection to your soul and the eternal energy being that we all are. So there's three numbers in your spiritual dimension of your chart. There's your heart key, which is this is the number that describes the energy your soul has really great, like fond, loving experiences with. So in that we've had many lifetimes really honing this energy and it carries all the positive qualities into this lifetime. So like I mentioned, mine's a seven, so I carry a lot of that energy into this lifetime. So then there's also what we call your soul number. So this is ancient knowledge of the soul. So it's where it's this subconscious inner strength that you have that can really back you up in times of crisis and you're dealing with it. You may find that you're just like, how did I just step up and do that? Like, and that's when you're really calling upon those energies when you're connected to your soul. And again, I'll use myself for an example, my soul, soul number is an eight, which is very different than my body numbers, which is a lot of dominant threes and fives. Right. That's a lot of more childlike, just lighter fun energy in my body numbers, but I have very serious soul numbers. Right. And so it really helps explain part of what I mentioned in the last podcast. So my previous career working in the food industry and being a very high up position, right, that's that kind of eight is that managerial quality. It's about, it's about understanding how things work in society and the leader, having that strength. Yes, exactly. And being a leader. Right. So it was like, I was really calling upon those energies at times when I needed it, even though it's like, really had to really had to exit was like it was a fight against having those three five energies. But it was always there. And then I would always really surprise myself and be like, how did I handle that? Wow. I'm impressed. Right. And it was like, because I could always call upon that when I needed it. Mm hmm. And then finally, we have this part of spiritual dimension. It's what we call a reincarnation wound. This is, it's different than the karmic numbers. Although there could technically be a karmic number in this position as well, making it just even a little bit more of a challenge around it. But what the reincarnation wound is, it's, it's kind of this. Well, it's, it's a wounding of your soul that's carried into this lifetime. So maybe you had past lives that were had some dramatic experiences, a little bit difficult memories. And they were the same energetic theme that got carried into multiple lifetimes. And if it wasn't, if that karmic loop wasn't broken and, and, you know, carried further, you bring it into this lifetime as well. But it can help explain a lot of underlying fears or anxieties that you may have. And maybe that you experience at a very young age and you never logically were able to piece things together of where that came from. This can really help explain that and really validate why you feel certain ways in order to grow and work with them so you can break that, you know, karmic entanglement that you're in. And again, I'll, I'll use myself for an example. I have a five here in this reincarnation wound. And again, that's another restriction of freedom that I felt like so in previous lifetimes, I was constantly held back like from external forces not not as a karmic like I was creating my own limitations are really were limitations placed on me and, and freedom related and being able to, you know, choose my own path or maybe it was physically some kind of imprisonment or something, you know, it could be anything like that. But I really think that that had a play into my life and choosing the path that I did for so long and just, you know, just kind of listening to what you know this is what I'm supposed to be doing this is what fits I'm good at this is what makes sense. But then when I really stepped out of it and I literally felt when I, like I said, I felt like I broke this karmic entanglement when I chose to step into my new career path as a numerologist and Reiki master and, and just the literal freedom I felt when, you know, I gave my notice to my job even though it was like it was a very good job like I mean people probably thought it was crazy to be leaving it right and I seriously just went outside and cried tears of joy and literally told myself like I've never felt this kind of freedom. And then later when I went back and looked at my chart and I was like, oh my gosh, that was my reincarnation. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm just like, wow, that's, it's so cool to feel that validation and also realize like you can get out of it. That doesn't mean you have to get stuck in it at all. Quick question for you on the reincarnation piece. Have you done like past life regressions and so you know that that also okay because it was sounding like you knew a little bit more detail. And I think also it's resonating with me through this is when people will come to me in sessions and say I feel like there's something tied to a past life but I'm not exactly sure just what or why. You don't have to necessarily do a past life regression or if you do great because I've done them I think that they're fascinating did it more when I was younger. But I think it's also too what you're saying is through the numerology and the numbers if somebody has that that also can tell you almost like cliff nits versions too. Right. You may not have the specific episode or TV show that tells you all the details on a past life but you at least can have that high level view or understanding of how it's impacting you. Yeah that's perfect way to say it and that's really what I have done past life regressions and that was kind of key I knew there was an issue there. I felt it right but then also knowing that in my chart. So that's when I went into the regression and okay this is what I want to find out where is this coming from. And yes I definitely had things that came up that relate to it and it helped me really put things into perspective and realize. Anyway that was in the past you know yes maybe I'm still feeling energetically the effects of it but I'm in a totally different time totally different circumstances especially now with all we call the great awakening right where this is the time for us all to be able to walk our own path. And I really see that as that was part of my soul's plan to say like okay I'm going to come into this lifetime to help break that karmic loop because this is the energy that will help enhance that and allow for it. Yeah I'm curious I'm gonna have to learn what mine is a second but one of the things as you were talking to it's I was very bullheaded as a kid as far as in growing up to just making sure like no one could tell me that I couldn't do something and that I wasn't able to speak my truth or to say certain things or do certain things a certain way. And to the point where I kind of went a little bit extreme in some ways to be like nope nope this is the way not because I was trying to I don't know put myself in that box it was more I felt it so strong in my core that that was like you said our opportunity to to pay our own path in a way that maybe we were not able to in these past lives or as you mentioned parallel lives to. Yeah and well that could be related your core numbers you could have to either ones in there or even the 19 one or yes it could definitely be reincarnation wound if you felt it at a very young age then yeah it could be impacted there. Yeah okay so interesting. All right what else. All right well I just wanted to talk a little bit I guess about I have some like a workshop that I'm gonna start out which if someone is interested in learning more about the spiritual dimension of their chart and really how to evolve their soul in that way using a new energy as a tool and just kind of as a guide as well. I am gonna be in May doing a four week workshop which also includes a personal numerology reading if you choose to join the workshop. But then also we talk about you know it's a little bit of kind of between energy healing and numerology because we talked a little bit about, you know, the energetic intro so like about like I said our eternal spiritual being and who we are as a soul and how to embrace your spiritual essence. And part of that by getting the numerology reading, I'll also have all that information so during the workshop we can talk specifically around what each person is are there reincarnation wound and you know the like I said the heart key the soul number. So that we can fit talk about how to heal that and how to really work with those energies and get more in touch with those energies. And even more about how to get more of a heart connection because like I said what maybe you're not as connected to your heart because you have certain numbers blocking your life path or whatever all the other causes. So different ways to be more connected to your heart and in that soul connection and then also because I you know I love talking about personal cycles, talking more about how to make the most of your personal cycles so your personal year, your month and your days. And I on the previous podcast I talked a lot about your personal days. And I do I did want to say I still have that numerology guide for personal days up with a discount if anyone has not yet gotten that. Yeah, can you repeat that again and also clarify because there were some questions that people were like what it is a dollar. It's a dollar and 11 cents. Now, so but yes it really is so if you use the code podcast and that it should you know work right up there for you and take all the rest off because it's originally $11 it'll reduce it down to $1. And the reason why I want to make it so cheap is I want to make it accessible for people to start learning and working with the energies and, and I take it upon myself as a professional numerologist is like, I need to educate people on it. And how they can use this as a tool. So, yeah it's like it was fun for me to create and I was like why not let me make it really accessible for people. And $1 is accessible but $1.11 is even more accessible so we appreciate that. Exactly. Well, thank you so much Lauren. I always learn so much when it comes to numerology talking to you and excited about the workshop that's coming up and how can people reach you. Definitely so my website is illuminated life healing.com. You can either send me a message there or if you want to like kind of just browse my offerings. I do numerous personal numerology readings and also relationship readings and personal cycle readings as well. And so you can reach me through there on my website or I'm on Instagram at illuminated underscore life underscore healing. And yeah, I like to share a lot of little tidbits about numerology making it really, really digestible in small amounts and just to start introducing people to numerology so yeah some fun stuff there. And also if you just have a question and want to email me or anything, my email is just Lauren at illuminated life healing.com. Well thank you and will you also send me the link to the workshop. Yeah definitely. Great and I'll include again if anyone hadn't listened to the prior episode with Lauren that is episode 119 numerology though that information that she just mentioned was also in the show notes but then we will include them here as well in the show notes and as well as the workshop link. So thanks again so much for being on Lauren. Yeah thank you Nicole. This is always a privilege. Thank you for listening to a psychic story. Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode and join the conversation on Instagram, Facebook or Twitter. All episodes are free on your favorite podcast player or at acycastory.com. Have a question? Is there a topic you'd like to hear more about or have a suggestion for a future guest? Send an email to contactatacycastory.com or leave a voicemail message at 1-800-880-1881. We'd love to hear from you and you may even be featured on a future episode. If you're interested in booking a session with me you can do that directly on the website. 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