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Hi, psychic listeners. Buckle up because for this episode of a psychic story, we are going to talk about remote viewing.
Now, this is a topic that I've been wanting to cover for quite a while and many of you have even requested it, but I had to find the right person and boy have I.
If you don't know what remote viewing is, don't worry because here to talk with us about it is Christopher or Chris Duncan.
Thanks and welcome to the show Chris.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
All right, so why don't you talk a little bit first about your life where you were born growing up? What was that like before we get into remote viewing?
Right into the difficult question.
Yeah, well, we don't have to start there if you don't want.
No, that's fine. I was born in Jefferson City, Missouri.
I grew up in a very rural, I don't know how to describe it well, a very rural, isolated area right in between Jefferson City, Missouri and Lake Uzarks grew up mostly with my mother.
I think this is important as I feel I had some type of influence on it, but essentially grew up in an extremely like abusive home.
Didn't see my father much and kind of at one point when I was like 17, I basically ran away and started my whole life independently and kind of led me.
All those things ended up in this domino effect that led me to where I am now.
So that's why I kind of feel it's pretty important.
Yeah, and I do want to get into that a little bit later, but before we do, how did you also get into remote viewing?
Because you said that you ran away from home.
I think you had, you know, in military or you joined that and then you came back and then there was something where obviously you were introduced to it, so how did that come about?
And also, what is remote viewing?
The second time I ran away from home, I forged some paperwork signatures on some paperwork and joined the military and ran away.
And was immediately after completing all the basic training and stuff assigned overseas and I just stayed there.
So I finished my enlistment there.
I was back in Missouri for in St. Louis for maybe three weeks and then just bought a ticket back.
I was dating someone that was local there at the time and had a place.
So I literally just did my paperwork to finish my time, got out and flew back and then ended up getting a job in the civil service over there in the Department of Defense.
Working over there and then stayed there another five years just working for the Department of Defense and sort of progressively moving up through the ranks to the point where it was in 2009.
They said basically it was time for me to go and they moved me back to the East Coast, switched my career field a little bit to like program management and through just another long series of events and moves.
I ended up working in this office where they had put a lot of the old retired remote viewers.
These were people who were doing remote viewing for the government in you know 70s, 80s and 90s and then they had kind of mothballed the programs.
And they weren't doing that there. They basically these folks had come back as contractors. Some of them still had some time in their career and so they'd made them like administrative support staff and things like that.
So I had one of them who was essentially my right hand like he would help me type up policies and letters and memos and things and I had started a PhD program on electromagnetic and magnetic fields.
And he one day he kind of alluded to that sounds a lot like what we would study and remote viewing and for those who aren't aware.
I like to very sort of narrowly define remote viewing as the ability to perceive the right now going on wherever it is.
So a lot of people get it confused and they think like it's out of body experience or it's actual projection or it's looking and telling the future or something.
I really narrowly confine it and I really don't like to make statements on the rest of that stuff whether it's true or not or mostly because I don't know and also it's very divisive among people.
But I can unequivocally say that that is remote viewing so if you take the time right now and you wanted to look at what was going on anywhere else in the world.
It's the sort of ability to intuit that and describe it visually or write it down.
So is it kind of like I imagine Google Earth where you can kind of zoom in on any GPS location a granite that's going to give you a satellite view of the earth and not necessarily or location.
But how do you personally see when you do remote viewing is it through clairvoyance and through your mind's eye and you receive images.
I'm sure it's probably similar to a lot of intuition.
Like you said to the point where it's just you know divisive and or there's you know confusion out there as to what it is.
So most people get a sort of flash of imagery almost like images I get some of those I'm much more stronger at like a feeling sort of like almost emotional type perception.
Like my very first time ever and how this came about was I was he explained that that was like remote viewing I wouldn't have the heck is that kind of thing is and he explained it and I was like oh my god I want to try this.
And so I run off and I'm like I'm going to I'm going to make some some things to see if he can remote view it and he said no I like I've done this for years but I'll show you will let you try it and he said I'm going to surprise you one day and you're going to do it.
I said all right just make it come I don't want to know anything about it like I just want you to come in and have me do it so I think it was like three days later he comes and he said set my office door and he's like let's do this so he walked me through the steps and the first image that came to mind was like a spiral like a swirly sort of logo almost it was like multiple.
Almost like one of those little wind things that kids play with you blow on it and it spins.
It was an image like that and I said that I was like I get this image and he said just write that down and it's like I can't get over this feeling of like power I can't move my pan and he's like write it down write it down and.
Next thing I know I'm describing like there's in my head I was seeing the Truman damn and so I had these feelings like intense power I was seeing the Truman damn lots of blue and sort of white smoke and I started drawing it.
I told him like I think this is a damn this is something like it's circular like a backwards sea and it drops way off and there's some water and.
I feel like behind that water is building somewhere and that makes me think that there's like there's something hidden back there to damn there's a lot of white smoke coming up could be a nuclear power plant because it's got the kind of curves in the steam.
And there's people around and when I was done he he literally looked at me and he said first of all holy.
And then I was going to say like right off the bat that's a lot of detail yeah and that was my first time experiences like flow of just like there was no preparation he just said do this yeah and he walked me through like two minutes of.
You're going to put your pen down you're going to do this in the he opened up the target and it was Niagara Falls and later we with some googling found out under the falls there is actually power station and that's kind of what I was picking up on that there was something there.
And from there we just started developing this every like two to three days he would come in with a target or two and we work on it and we just continue to work on it until it got to the point he said I can no longer teach you this anymore you've got this down.
Wow amazing so to kind of recap for a second to what I was picking up on you said you did see the visuals or I eat the clairvoyance I would imagine in your mind's eye.
And then you had emotional feeling as well and I would probably say like that intuition or knowing of something to so this would be probably the three strongest.
And when you were younger and growing up looking back now do you think that you used a lot and it just wasn't necessarily through the lens of remote viewing.
Yeah and that's a good point one of the reasons is because it I really honed my ability to like pick up on emotions of family members especially my mother and like be able to detect without even like I slept in a room in the basement and she was up on the top floor and being able to almost feel like okay now it's not a good time you need to stay away kind of thing or being in the basement and knowing like oh she's almost home kind of thing like start hiding you know.
So it was like a survival it was your your in your survival instincts or what I like to say our intuition it's my opinion but that they near our physical senses so mentally and emotionally we have an intuitive mirror to that.
But really at the end of the day in my opinion again it's instinct and so that allowed us up until you know from the dawn of time to survive and to evolve as humans but also grow spiritually.
And that is one of the questions that I had jotted down so if you're comfortable with you know going through that and I'm very sorry to hear about the trauma you experienced in the abuse.
But it's been one of the things that I've seen kind of as a thread so to speak that people that have more heightened sensitivity or intuitive abilities tend to have experienced a trauma.
But that trauma is something whether it's in your death experience and out of body experience and abusive situation that tends to almost force the person into another like go inward and again build their strength through survival is that kind of what you also feel like giving the explanation with your mom.
Yeah yeah in multiple ways because there was my own survival and at the same time I was you know my youngest brothers two years younger than me and I have two others and from an early age like we'll say you know if there's a lot of blur here but let's say like fourth and fifth grade on I basically became responsible for doing most of the rearing of my brothers from getting them up for school cooking dinner.
And this is I mean that's neglectful I wouldn't necessarily call that the abuse part but at the same time you know with the issues my mother had and you know I kind of picked up my boundaries from her which were none and you know incorporating that sort of willingness to just be open everything but then survival of you know to the point there were a year there was a couple summers where I had broken bones from her and part of my punishment was not being allowed to go to the hospital or see a doctor.
There was a whole summer where I couldn't move my hands and like I could only use two fingers to eat and stuff like that because the bones in my hand were broken.
There's just this layering of complex factors that just led to for some reason I turned into this person that was very hyper independent but really need to learn a lot of boundaries and how to put them in but also very sensitive intuitive could really pick up on somebody's mood and sort of you know the vibe of the room if you will and was using that to the advantage sort of navigate.
So I've been very successful in some aspects and struggled in a lot of others.
Yeah, I can I can feel that and you've also done a lot of work I would imagine on the emotional and the spiritual journey and the healing of it that I know that you said career but that was a part of who you were and that and through that evolution and I think probably the exercises of remote viewing gave you something to I don't want
forwards in your mouth but almost crystallize and give you something tangible of I didn't know I was necessarily doing this my whole life and now this is something that there's a sense of purpose or a sense of direction to some extent.
Yeah, so it really gave me there's a couple things and one I've always been a big knowledge person Internet is amazing and I don't understand why people aren't just on it all the time because it's everything you could ever want to the silliest question.
The touch of your fingertips whatever remote viewing offers the same thing in some ways the issue with it is you kind of don't know when you're wrong and you you are wrong a lot of times like it not a lot like 90% but a lot like 40% of the time you might be off or you'll queue in on something that's really your own subconscious sort of.
You know like I'm this totally hypothetical but I'm remote viewing you and I pick up on some anger issues or whatever in reality there's a really good chance it's my own and for some reason I'm just.
Internalizing it or yeah it just is popping up for some reason on that day and I need to work to that and I won't know unless I confront you on and say hey what about this.
That's a really good point that you bring up because I think that when people look at going to practitioners for anything you know I always say don't put somebody up on a pedestal they're not an oracle they are not all seen and knowing you're going to know your own.
Self better than anyone else but yeah it is as you at least for me as I've progressed it is more about trying to figure out okay is this mine is this someone else's.
That is probably one of the first steps of intuition when you're developing it and especially if you're an empath and you're picking up on emotions because that can be really jarring.
Especially when you're a child trying to figure that out and maybe not understanding because no one taught you that you can actually do that or that it's happening.
Yeah and when I grew up like the constant theme was is like shut the hell up your opinions don't matter.
I at one point I had a full-ride scholarship offered to me for art and the response was shut the hell up like that doesn't matter things like that and it didn't it just nothing I did ever matter it wasn't good enough so that never had the opportunity to crystallize like that I could be successful and do something like that at the same time once I picked up that I had this sort of ability.
You know again back to the you know needing to learn to develop like boundaries I almost begin use it while I did begin using this bit of a party trick like there were times when I would be out at a bar meeting like a young lady and we're hitting it off and I would say give me your hand and just hold her hand that's like a almost acute a remote view and what start telling her about like some of her life and what's going on and yeah for the most part it was pretty you know high level and you know kind of taking us a joke but there was one time.
When I was in Los Angeles and I did that and it got into some darker places like you know did your dad have a last conversation with you in a field or you're from up north.
We moved to LA because of this isn't it turned out that was all true and her dad did have a last conversation and passed away shortly after he gave her blessing to move in it came a very emotional event.
Yeah wow wow.
I killed the mood.
I was going to say I could be jailbreaker but so I would do you want to go back to the government and remote viewing and your role so when you were having these exercises and then your colleague or co-worker said hey you've gotten to a certain point and I can't really teach you any further what did you decide to do with it because I'm assuming at that point it was just more to see if you could do it in practice and then how did you actually get into it doing it more I would say professionally.
Yeah so I came to that point because I was presenting with two real life scenarios I didn't know what they were but long story short I the the gentleman who was teaching me asked me to describe something that was lost and located and I ended up having never socialized with him outside of work drew an exact layout of his house and described where he had lost his wedding ring when he was renovating like or doing some landscaping one summer and how it happened and things like that.
Any found the wedding ring and then another guy his friend was so impressed he brought me another target and I found some missing pieces for grandfather clock that he was looking and that's when he said like can't do this like there's nothing left for me to teach you like I'm not I never got that far so and then things started in the career like in my career in general I started noticing I can try to like very quickly remote view like in a meeting.
If I was in a meeting with ten people trying to make a big decision but I had my own position I wanted to take I would try on my little no pad to do a very quick rapid remote viewing and see if I could kind of get everyone's take on what they were what you know what their position was arguing I moderate success with that it's really unconventional because you're supposed to really do this blind things like that and then think sort of while I was out in Los Angeles I met the comedian Tom Green from the 90s we became friends he then had me on one of his
podcasts which then linked me up from the science perspective to Russ Accord in the exhibition Bigfoot and led to me being on that and at the same time at Phenomenicon in Utah so it rapidly became like I'm starting to make a little bit of money off this like I think I you know I made several thousand dollars in Phenomenicon by just having a workshop teaching people how to do it and so since then I've just I've been very picky about like clients and selection and I also am very protective of what I'm doing.
It's not my time but it just kind of has led to if somebody has a problem and they have found through one of those channels like I don't really advertise but if they found out how to contact me then I will use will talk for a little bit and then I'll take them on.
Yeah you weren't really hard to find I'm not going to lie and I consider myself pretty good at that maybe not remote viewing I didn't find you through remote viewing but looking online and everything else because I kept asking my would I call my spirit team my guides and angels was like alright I have this topic it's been on the list for a while
remote viewing but I really want the right person because I think it's hard to find and I do want to get into the science a little bit too because you talked about magnetic field and all of that and so anyway I say all that because I take it seriously as well to make sure that I have the right people on and that they're vetted but also I just finally gave up I said to myself I know that there's a ton of people but I'm just not
whatever and so randomly that's actually how I found you which was through expedition bigfoot because I do want to ask about that later too because one of the questions I have is what's the wildest thing you've been asked to find or whatever but I don't want us to digress right now so that said you started to get some success or progress so far within the room remote viewing side of things what's kind of next from that you mentioned tips and not tips but classes and exercises and stuff like that so do you see yourself as like going more in this direction
I would like to go more in this direction the issue is is that my current conventional career will call it is so large and I'm successful enough like I would have to really be exceptionally successful I remove viewing to to make up for quitting my day job and going into that I have been approached about a potential television show it's kind of been one of those like I call it like a heartbeat pattern I found producers in Hollywood communicate very much this way it'll be like I don't know what I'm doing
like two weeks of extreme communication and we're going to do this now and then they'll disappear and you'll think it's done for six months and then it's back so that might be in the work still I'm in the the law of the heartbeat so we'll see I would be interested in that as well but between that and I do have a biographer writing a book on me but that's about all I've given thought to really great well I do want to talk about your book to one and or update the show notes when it's available but I can't let this go as keeps popping up in my head so the government part
so so many questions don't ask you but on the government side of things they had I I know like the research and they've had remote viewers and the use them as like psychic they call them psychic spies and was initially in the Cold War and everything else does the government still do this I can 100% with authenticity say I don't know and I don't have any information to say that does there have been rumors of a couple of the key players that were in the older programs running around talking to people and having them sign governmental non-disclosure
as a precursor of the conversation which would indicate something's going on but I legitimately just don't yeah I have a feeling that they do and that's not based on fact that's just based on pure intuition and and gut knowing because I and I would love if there's any research out there I I also you know my my theory is that the government probably has a lot more research and stats on psychics on intuition on what it means scientifically through energy which is where I want to pivot in a second from from
your your perspective but and knowing that maybe it's not 100% hit every single time but I would imagine if if we can do this as human beings why not it seems like a really good skills set and advantage to have you know for all the reasons yeah I will say that in discussions with some folks that worked the older programs universally
what was echoed was, when they shut it down,
all the documentation they released
is basically they cherry picked the worst documentation
and examples of it and released it to the public.
To say, oh, this is BS, this is BS, it doesn't really work.
All the miracle, like amazing stuff,
they said it's still locked in a box somewhere.
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure.
Okay, so let's go into energy
and the magnetic field, energy field,
you have a lot of degrees behind you.
Why don't you share a little bit about that
and your expertise and your kind of full-time job
and then what your theory is as far as remote viewing
and how it connects to all of that.
Full-time job, I'm right now,
I'm currently like an engineering manager.
What essentially happened is I was moved back
to the United States, became a program manager
and sort of, but at a junior level and worked through things
and I got a mentor who was an astrophysicist
and he was like, Chris, you've got to finish your degree.
I didn't have any education.
If I started working on it,
but I didn't get a technical degree at all.
But eventually I left the government
and started working for a larger defense contractor
and I was naturally drawn toward electromagnetics,
RF type work, any electromagnetic spectrum
and the engineering executive one day gave me a call
after I had solved a few small problems,
interviewed me and just said, you're an engineer now.
Like, sorry, we're starting Monday.
So I became an engineer, a chief engineer,
for a multi-billion dollar company
before I had an engineering degree.
And so moved into, and I've basically ridden that
and as much as I've moved out of engineering
and electromagnetics, I'm continuously sucked back
into it parallel to that.
I tried to kind of catch my education up with that.
So I'm currently in a PhD program
that's more or less paused because of some life issues,
just time management stuff that studies
very low frequency magnetic fields
and trying to pull frequencies that are basically buried
in the noise floor, just where everything goes
when it gets so quiet, it's no longer detectable
and continues bouncing around
and trying to develop patterns and algorithms
to pull them out and see what they were.
Like, this is probably far-fetched,
but is it possible to pick up a TV signal
that was broadcast in 1970,
but some of it is still bouncing around
and sort it from every other TV signal and restore that?
So it's not just the can you, it's the how?
Yeah, it's the can you and how?
So I would say yes, you can,
but I would have no idea about the how.
Yeah, the how is very difficult.
I actually my first paper I ever published
demonstrated that a Faraday cage,
which for your listeners is a cage
is supposed to block all radio frequencies and emissions.
I demonstrated how it could be defeated
in the magnetic field and in low frequency.
That was my first ever paper was,
look, we can pick up what's going on inside one.
Oh, I'm sure that's also pretty valuable too
to some people.
That got a lot of attention.
Wow.
Yeah, so I've always had this interest in it
and I'll be honest with the next question
is probably going to be what or how,
what do I think this is?
I think that there is some sort of other access
to the spectrum, access being AXIS,
like some some part of the spectrum
that we just haven't detected yet.
And maybe isn't conventionally detectable
with an antenna, I like a metal antenna
and I think in some way our brains are just antennas.
And sometimes it's tuning the right little frequency
or band to get access to the information through meditation
or whatever works for you, but there's some method.
I think it's the phenomena as your listeners would like it
as well as the phenomena of what a lot of scientists
would like to see.
And those two just haven't found their common area yet
and it's both.
When it's hard if science requires you to replicate something
and every single person is different,
every scenario in situ, it's hard to replicate.
People plus the scenarios plus the right situations
that you have to have in order to hit all of those things.
And when I teach people or talk to people
about communication with their own higher self
or their spirit team or their loved ones from the other side
or I guess technically in a lot of ways
there's probably some remote view
and going on and doing sessions without realizing
and I call again that clairvoyance or the intuition.
It's always about how can you get on that wavelength
or frequency or vibration, that state of oneness,
that state of being present and shut out all the other stuff
so that you can focus and really through that intention
receive information and it's gonna be different
for every single person depending on like you said
you had your empathy and then a little bit of clairvoyance
and then the good intuition, but all of that
is different for each person.
So I like the way you said it that we just haven't
maybe found that right frequency or wavelength.
So to speak, there are brains being in antenna
because our bodies are energy
and we have a lot of electric energy flowing through us
and coursing through us, but we don't think about it
on a day-to-day standpoint.
Yeah, and real quick, I wanna clarify something.
I said, the way you were listeners
and I think that could have been taken as
all your listeners are totally on scientific.
What I meant by that is your listeners
as people who want to believe.
On the spiritual side of things.
Yeah, who want to believe versus a slap
toward their mental or academic prowess.
But yeah, you're absolutely right.
One of the things I worked on with my PhD
was detecting emissions from your body
and people don't realize every single thing we do
is electrical signal from the brain to the heart,
to the here and to there, or even like infections
where bacteria is building up
or there's signatures from that.
Those are activities and if you have the right equipment
that can be detected, we're all just energy of some form
and of some frequency and I think there's more to it
than that.
Another, you know, the energy we have
is the electrical field, the E-field.
Way back in, you know, 1800s,
we figured out there's another field with that,
the B-field, magnetic field.
And I think, you know, eventually we'll find out
there's another, whatever you wanna call it,
Z-field or something, you know, there's more to it.
What do you think the aura is then?
Do you think that that's one of those fields?
And it just hasn't put like a scientific term to it yet?
To be honest, I would compare that
to the near field of a magnetic field.
I always describe it as if you've ever played a role-playing game
and you click on somebody's character
and it shows a circle around it.
Like, wherever there's energy,
there's one of those around it
that's like the near field of magnetic field,
there's something like that.
So you're there and it's kind of just there around you
and it might be, and to be honest,
I haven't done a lot of aura research
but I'm assuming it's affected by like emotions and things
or so it's probably something off that.
So I'm also not an expert, but my understanding is,
so we have energetic lines called meridians
with inner body that's very similar to the,
our blood vessels are a nervous system
and that connects to the chakras
or the energy centers in our body that fluctuate and flow.
So think about those being our brain and heart
on the physical, so our chakras are that.
And then emanating from our chakras
and slower build out is this energy that emits.
So that's the inner outward
and then that creates an energetic field around us
and our aura is comprised and connected to our chakras
and the meridians and everything else.
So it's almost kind of like I think about it
as a Russian nesting doll where you have that
and then also when I kind of tune into people
and they sense their aura as visually,
I see it like a gop smacker.
You know, that old school candy
where you have like the shells and everything.
So it makes sense that that's what you're saying
about the A, B and then all the way to the Z
and I just think we probably haven't come up
with terminology scientifically
and spiritually that we are essentially probably
talking about the same thing.
I think so, that's my journal take
and I also just as much as I don't understand the people
who will immediately deny anything they don't understand,
I don't understand the people who immediately buy in everything.
You're a healthy skeptic.
Yeah, there's something there.
Like healthy skeptic, yeah, I truly believe that if you took
everybody who claimed to have some type of psychic ability,
spiritual ability, something unusual,
I would say a huge portion of those are just not real.
But I 100% believe that there's a large portion
that are legitimate and you kind of know.
Most of the people you see on the side of the road
selling it are probably not in the real category.
Kind of thing.
Yeah, there are a lot of impersonators
and scammers out there, but it is my belief
that going back to what we had talked about earlier,
we all have intuitive abilities.
It may just not be on that broader spectrum
or that signal and that strength may not be super out there
in order for us to leverage it the way that I think
a lot of people probably do out there.
And I found in the seminars I gave at Phenomicon,
so what I would do is I'd have a room of about 30 to 50 people.
And they would come expecting me to demonstrate
and teach them about remote viewing.
And instead, what I was like, no, I'm not doing any of that.
Like you guys are doing it.
And so I'd put a target up and I gave them paper
and walked them through how to do it.
And we did progressively more difficult.
Like, one, I'm going to hold your hand.
So every step, two, in the middle and three,
I'm just going to put the target number up
and you figure it out.
Every single session, I did like three or four sessions.
Everybody had something that was legitimately,
like beyond just they got lucky.
It was to the point of the last session,
the last target I had was the moon lander.
And these were all sealed in an envelope in my backpack.
The last session, one of the guys who was totally like,
this is garbage, actually describes like I could feel it.
It was like a tin can landing somewhere
and I drew the moon landing and I was like, yeah, that's it.
And I showed him.
So I found everybody can do something.
It's like a muscle and if you don't work it enough.
Exactly.
Now in that instance, would you say that a lot of people
think that maybe it's their imagination
or creative imagination and that they're not actually
doing this and experiencing this?
And so then they just discount it.
Actually, I wouldn't, in my experience,
people who finally it clicks and they get it
and it's like, wow, it's so in your face
that they are there immediately,
like there's no way this isn't real now.
Like once they've done it, they're like, okay,
this is 100%.
No ignoring it.
I had trouble believing it and thought, you know,
maybe I got lucky, but then there have been so many times
where I've just described it like so perfectly.
You know, one time one of my targets was the bean in Chicago
and I put my pencil on and it's like, I can't do this.
Like every time I'm trying to view this,
I'm just seeing my own reflection back.
Like it's like somebody's looking at me,
but it's me.
It's like a mirror.
Well, it's super reflective.
So, you know, that's one of those moments
where I thought it was a total failure
but it turned out it was real and you're like,
oh crap, that's real stuff.
Yeah, well also because you didn't know exactly
what it was, but then once you find out,
then it makes sense because it reflects back to you
and reflection can be a lot of things.
But that one is one that distorts and everything else.
Are you up for, I know you said in,
when you've done the seminars or the workshops
that you teach people how to do it
because they actually have a target and they walk through it,
but if, and we don't necessarily have time to do that here,
but can you, if somebody we're interested,
are there certain things like the gentleman
who came into your office and said, all right,
we're gonna do this.
So, I wonder how can somebody do that on their own
and start to practice?
So, once I started, I found there were a whole bunch of websites
that if you looked up remote viewing targets,
they had randomized targets that you could use.
I'm trying to think of where you'd get the how to
because it doesn't do you a lot of good
to have a whole bunch of targets
and to just not know how to do it.
So, is it like maybe you get in a space
where if you are a meditator, you meditate first
and you clear your mind, if you're not a meditator,
you do whatever you need to to just get into that more
relaxed state of calmness, you know,
what are the, like the basics that before you would
try the exercise as essentially?
Well, for me, I don't do much of anything.
I make sure that I am not emotionally activated
or triggered anywhere that I wanna be too angry,
too happy to, I wanna be just right in the middle
because although the biggest problem
with remote viewing is the noise from yourself
and second guessing yourself
and I wanna make sure I know as little as possible
about what I'm trying to remote view,
but a lot of people will do things like meditate
or they'll play their favorite music.
The gentleman who taught me, he was a big fan of rock and roll,
he would blast heavy metal in like headphones before
to just kind of get in his zone, whatever that looks like
for him, but it really, it's whatever it seems
it comes naturally for you.
I'm very much as long as, as long as we're not in,
some place where, you know, screaming loud,
people all around and things like that,
then I can sit down and concentrate and do it
around emotional.
Beyond that, it's literally just a lot of putting
pen to paper, writing something,
whether it's the target number or something in your mind
that is connected to the target,
like if I had an envelope here and I wrote 727 on it,
that 727 doesn't mean anything,
but it's just on the envelope, so it's in your brain,
that's okay, I'm looking for what's inside 727.
Write down 727 and just let your pen
sort of fall across the paper.
And when it's made this long line,
then you just start tracing that line
and just seeing what comes up and what comes to you.
That's the 101 level lesson.
So you're using pen to almost like a physical tool
on paper to channel or to tap in,
and then that flows through you,
and then however you're intuitive senses pick it up,
then that's how you pick it up.
And, and, because I have heard of people,
like Tyler Henry is one, where if you see him,
he scribbles and he just does like these,
and then he gives the paper to people,
doesn't mean anything, but it's his way of just connecting
and channeling, but for you,
it's almost like automatic writing, essentially.
Yeah, he's just tracing a line,
and then going to that mind's eye sort of place,
I don't know what you even call it,
it's almost like the place where you use your imagination.
That's why I was saying creative imagination,
like when you visualize,
some people may not necessarily understand
that that's what they're doing.
Yeah, I go there and I just start,
it's almost like going there with nothing there
and waiting for something to come forward,
and it might be like, oh god,
I feel like this is really crowded, I don't wanna be here,
or it could be a picture of a sun,
so you write down sun,
and then what was my brain focusing on in the sun?
What was I drawn to?
Oh, it was the circle, so write down circle, kind of thing,
because it's usually not your, if it's a car,
and you're focused on the shape of the car,
but not so much, then it's probably just the shape,
so draw the shape of the car, kind of thing.
What I was seeing over and over was a rocket ship,
like a rocket launching and moving really fast,
but when I further got into,
like what am I, what am I drawn to?
I was drawn to the lines on the rocket,
like there were almost like panels perfectly squared,
like, and something moving fast across it,
and a lot of up and down,
and it was like, it looked like two long lines
with almost like a fence post,
or like a long fence, and something moving fast across it,
and wind, and I was going so fast, I was blurry.
Well, turn out the target was a roller coaster,
and so what I was, the panels and the lines
basically they call analytic overlay,
where you get an image, and your brain doesn't know what to do
is it, so it just paints on whatever it looks like closest.
So it must be a rocket ship, it's got lines,
and it's going in the air at an angle, kind of thing.
So you just kind of tune into what you're focusing on,
like what you're drawn to versus what you see.
Yeah, and what you say is really important,
is getting out of your own head, and having that doubt too,
it's almost like your brain storming with yourself,
and just letting that to be in flow,
to have that information come through, and the messages.
Yeah, the biggest obstacles, always yourself.
Yeah, I just tell people, if you're frustrated,
just do it, and do it more, and try, and then let go,
and try again, and over time, like you said,
it's that muscle that just strengthens.
There's a pattern I've noticed with people is,
once they hit it, they will have two or three sessions
that are amazing, they just like, Picasso,
they've gotten there, and then they drop off into nothing,
and they go through this void for whatever, four, five, six sessions,
and they almost give up, and if they keep going,
and working at it, it starts to slowly taper back up.
Why is that, do you think?
Because somebody asked me, not on the remote viewing side,
but I had some clients that had a lot of hits,
and they were just like, this is great, this is amazing,
and I set it up and flows, and to not get frustrated
when you hit that wall, so to speak,
but what's your opinion on why that happens?
I think there's a little bit of the muscle fatigue.
It's just like if you go work out really hard,
and then you're gonna crash for a little bit.
I think there's part of me that wants to say
there's some type of cosmic lesson in this, like a test.
I don't know if that's true or not, I would like that answer,
but it's just what I see.
I think it's muscle failure and you need to rest.
Yeah, one time when somebody asked me that,
I said it's about the control,
so when we were trying to control something,
and we're not in that flow state,
then that's what the block is,
so that's why it's like, try it, let it go, try it, let it go,
and just release it, and it tends to push you forward.
I don't want to say faster,
but it could be possibly the muscle fatigue, but also that,
because we're also an ego
than when we're trying to control the outcome.
I think that's actually very, very,
I like that idea better, that's very valid,
because one thing I see is once people's done one or two
off them very successful,
then they just want to do everything,
and it's exactly that, they want to know it all,
be in control, and that's when it starts to fail,
and then until they finally give up,
they either give up and don't do it,
or they give up that control,
and sort of just see what comes,
that's when it comes back again.
Yes, yes, exactly, absolutely.
All right, so what is the most random or weirdest thing
you've been asked to find or view?
Someone's break up.
Oh, okay.
So yeah, so I've found,
and I also learned a big ethics lesson.
I thought you were gonna say big foot.
Well, big foot, yeah, that was pretty,
I can describe that as well.
Yeah, we'll talk about that a little bit,
but I want to hear about this other one first.
So I found that time, it looks like an X,
like you're in the very center of the X
for the two lines cross,
and then the further you go in the future,
the more further apart the X lines get,
and the same for the past,
and the closer those two lines are,
the more accurate you can be.
So he asked me to remote view a breakup
because he was still friends with his X,
but had this sort of like almost still in love,
but not quite like draw, almost like a,
the way he described it was like a toxic draw,
and a couple of things I learned was,
well, first of all, I learned
that she'd had multiple fairs on,
and he validated that.
Second thing I learned is we're really not meant
to feel emotions in four or five D,
like I meant to feel my own emotions
and process the emotions of others,
not to experience the emotion of others,
and what they were feeling externally to somebody else,
and what they were processing,
and like I felt all the emotions
of both of those people breaking up,
as well as her love for one of the people she was seeing,
and his pain, and just,
it actually sent me into a bit of like a depressive,
like emotional spiral for like four days.
It was just like,
because you were really tapped into it.
Yeah, it was like if you took a, you know,
a blue ray and shoved it into a computer
that only had a floppy disk drive,
it can't handle just crashes,
that can't handle that volume of data,
and that's just what I felt like.
Yeah, it was really, it was a painful event for me,
as much as he, him going through it.
I never really thought about remote viewing that,
you know, usually I would probably,
and I'm trying to get into the definitions of things,
but I would say that that would be,
because there are some, I guess, clairvoyance
that can look into the past, present, and future,
some say I can only do it three months,
some say it's a year, some say it doesn't matter,
you know, whatever, time's not linear
when you're, when my opinion, when you're looking at that way,
but yeah, remote viewing that, that would be interesting,
because you also being an empath, definitely,
that was probably the strongest way
for you to pick up on the situation.
Yeah, that's usually about 90% of what I get.
I can describe a feeling, and I'll get,
a little bit of imagery sort of thing,
but normally it's like, oh man, this person is very reclusive,
or whatever, they're studying, they're very diligent,
they're studying something, they're, you know,
those type of things, versus of an image.
Now let's talk about Bigfoot.
First of all, before we get into that,
do you believe in Bigfoot?
Oh, no.
Being a healthy skeptic?
Okay.
I'm not a believer right now.
I'm open to being convinced.
That being said, I was brought on Bigfoot to do remote viewing,
because of basically the relationship I developed with Russ,
and the other cast members, Ronnie and Maria,
I will say up front, they cut so much out of that episode
that I'm so disappointed.
So I was so bummed because they literally had you on screen
for maybe, I don't know, 20 seconds.
And then I'm like, they reduced it to a bullet point.
There had to be so much more.
There was five hours of that going on.
All right, guys.
So on television, this just proves to you,
you don't see any 99% of what's going on.
You really don't.
That's the second time I've shot a TV show,
the first time anything to do a remote viewing.
And it's literally, for that one,
second, the sun goes down, like it's sunset,
but it's not dark yet.
You're out there and you're out there
to five, six in the morning and shooting.
We started with the scene filming,
and this was not staged at all.
In fact, I will say up front,
nothing I saw on exhibition Bigfoot was staged.
I saw nothing staged.
I saw things that were rehearsed or practiced,
like something would happen.
Yeah, and then you got to recap it,
or you have to summarize it for someone, yeah.
Or they would like redo it,
even though it already happened to make it better for the camera,
but nothing was ever like faked.
And the first thing I had to shoot was,
was going to be actually me sitting down
and remote viewing something for Russ
to convince him to let me on like part of the team.
And this legitimately happened.
It was like a test.
Yeah, legitimately happened.
Like I remote viewed.
Well, first of all, real quick, I have to say,
if you're out there looking for Bigfoot,
then they should not have been skeptical of you.
You know what I mean?
Anyway, it's just there's so many things
that are ironic in that, but anyway, continue.
Yeah, continue.
I told him to think of a place that was dear and dear,
like emotional tie and his heart, assign a number to it,
and I'd remote view it, and he assigned a number,
and I ended up describing his vacation home
and I think Wyoming or Montana,
like perfect down to him seeing his father
standing in the creek, picking up rocks
and the color of the house and stuff.
And real world, he was like holy crap.
Like he suspected that I had done some digging
on his personal pages.
Well, it turns out there's nothing on his pages about that.
So, and that was the start of it.
The re-roat viewing for the Bigfoot,
you saw like 30 seconds of things I would say,
or things I said they would run into.
It was actually like probably an hour or two
of just this long laundry list of,
you're gonna come to this creek.
There's a creek here, and it's, you know,
there's rocks over here, and there's,
I hear noises like somebody's throwing something.
But basically, I laid out like a list
of every single thing they would do
for the rest of the series.
Coming to the fence with hair, and like that was,
I said, you're gonna find it in the fence,
and I told them, look around on the left side,
you're looking at the fence, look down on the left,
there's something here that you're gonna use,
it's some type of evidence, probably hair.
And everything that happened in my whole time remote viewing,
I didn't see any sort of Bigfoot,
like no flash of the Bigfoot came up,
but there was something like a trail that they were following.
Yeah, it was many, many hours,
and I was very disappointed when they aired 30 seconds of it.
Then there was the follow up reunion sort of episode.
On Zoom, Mariah put me on the spot,
and had me remote view a picture on her phone,
and I described it perfectly, and nailed it.
Like, I actually started way back,
like I was way off, I was wrong,
and then more started coming through,
and next thing I know is describing a picture
of her kids in Cuba, like visiting Cuba,
and climbing through the walls of Castle,
and nailed it, and they cut that out as well.
Oh, well, okay, well, there you go.
Well, I'm just glad that it came the way it did,
as far as on the shows I was able to find you,
even though you were a little hard to find,
but we got there.
It was very good timing,
because I actually had abandoned that Instagram account
for about two years,
and had just got back into that account for maybe 30 days,
maybe, maybe two weeks.
So I got you right on that sweet spot, that window.
Nice, awesome.
All right, I really want to quickly go back to the Faraday cage,
so as we, because I think that this is important,
and I'm keeping drawn to that,
and when you were talking about remote viewing,
and people being able to tap into events or locations,
you also mentioned the Faraday cage
with the electromagnetic field,
and how you wrote that paper on it.
How do people then block remote viewing?
So if somebody wants to not have somebody view them,
are there certain ways that you would recommend that to?
The government answer to that is you put a distraction.
I actually asked about that when I was working with him,
as you put a distraction.
They didn't find a way to block it,
so they would put things like an out of place,
like helium balloon, you know, in your room,
and at what, immediately draw remote viewers,
there's a balloon in here for some reason.
The more something is either trying to be hidden
or out of place, the more likely it's going to shine
like a beacon when you're doing this kind of thing.
So a balloon, something very shiny and out of place,
that typically will do it.
Which, on a broader topic of ethics,
one thing I will say to folks is,
what I've learned the hard way is,
don't remote view anybody without their consent.
That's where I was kind of getting at,
is just because it's like, oh, I can spy on my ex
or I can do x, y, and z or what have you.
I've heard some practitioners even going
to some government locations,
and then having other alleged psychic warriors,
like blocking them and stuff like that.
And so it just gets really deep down that rabbit hole,
and that's not what I'm suggesting we do,
but on a personal level, especially as I have a podcast,
I can feel a lot of people trying to tap into my energy,
not maliciously, but I have to have a lot of blocks
on me just energetically.
And so, yeah.
So I think that there's the ethics of trying to do it,
but then also if there are things that you can do
to maybe protect yourself or block,
that would be of interest, I think, to listeners.
Yeah, I would think that a lot of the folks happy
are just almost to see if, you know,
you can mention it on like, am I powerful enough
to get her to mention something on the podcast?
Yeah, that's the only thing I've ever found
is a distraction, something odd in the room.
That, and I just legitimately now,
I stay so far away from remote viewing anybody
or anything without some real consent to it.
Like, I will, if somebody wants me to remote view for them,
I will not do like an X or, unless it's like,
some exceptional circumstance, like somebody's kidnapped
or something like that, I just will not remote view
without consent, stick to objects and events kind of thing.
Yes, yes, that's good practice.
Is there anything that we haven't talked about
that you wanted to share or get into?
I still have so many more questions,
but I want to be respect for of your time.
No, no, I'm good on time and no, there's not really.
I'm very, I like very much like to just go with the flow.
Okay, great.
This kind of activity, I love doing podcasts
and talking to people, I would go for four hours.
All right, well, I would love if you're ever at the point
because I know you're super busy
and things with your full-time job,
but if you ever want to do like a class or a course
and you would like me to promote it, let me know.
I'd happy to share that obviously with the listeners.
I think that that would be really helpful for people.
They want to do some tips and learn those exercises,
but the other thing I was getting
is that if you're interested in trying,
maybe what you do is with this,
with a family member or a friend.
I remember when I was really young,
I think I must have been like five.
So my dad was into all of this stuff.
This was like late 70s, early 80s,
and he actually asked me to promote you,
which I didn't know that that sort of is called,
but pick up on my grandparents in their home
and then he called them, you know, this was on a landline
and he was like, okay, Nicole says you're doing X, Y, and Z.
I did not get any of it correct
because I didn't necessarily know what he was asking me
and he was like, what do you mean like they're in their house?
So I was just brainstorming,
not necessarily actually tapping in,
but that image kept popping up in my mind.
So if you're interested in you want to learn
a little bit more, practice your intuition,
maybe you find a person or a partner
that can do this with you
and you guys practice with each other on that as well.
If you're not necessarily sure,
you want to go down the internet rabbit hole
of what those are designed.
So that could be something too.
I would actually very much strongly recommend
that if you have a partner friend or whatever,
if you're willing to go all in,
go have the partner by a helium balloon,
tell them to drive somewhere in the city with a landmark
and just stand and walk around and observe the area.
You know, like if there was a big water fountain or a park
and tell them, you know, 15 minutes from now,
start remote viewing on where I am, describe it.
Oh, I love that idea.
That is the simplest way to do it, to the classes.
I don't know, let's do a joint thing sometime.
Let's set up something where you and I do,
you do one more class, I do another or something.
I mean, fun.
Yeah, let's do it.
We absolutely can.
All right.
Before we break and I give people the information
or you give people the information
of how to find you,
what kinds of misermist conceptions would you like
to maybe dispel?
That's one thing that I do like to cover on this too.
You talked a little bit about how remote viewing
isn't like astral travel or necessarily
at a body experience.
So totally get that.
Is there anything else?
I think the perception that it could be unsafe.
I've had a lot of people like, well, what if, you know,
and it's usually the very hyper-hyper religious.
What if there's demons like, no, like you're,
you're not doing any sort of entity work at all.
Like this is just a, it's no different
than looking through a telescope.
It's just a very long.
Or picking up the phone and calling someone type of thing.
Yeah, that's it.
And along with that with you can 100%
like this is something that can
and has been validated over and over.
So if you had a partner that wants to work with you
and you're a skeptic, great, be skeptical.
Have them pick 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, you know, images
off the internet that are like landmarks.
So you go, ifle towers, a good one.
Paris is not good.
Things like that have them locked them somewhere.
You don't know, label them with numbers
and start working at it.
And if you have an adknock for this,
you'll see very quickly that 60, 70% of the time
you're getting enough information to be considered accurate.
And it's duplicatable, repeatable, duplicatable,
and all those kinds of things.
So it's not, and in fact, I think it was last year
they actually published on their website,
the CIA published on their website, frequently asked questions.
Like, did you do remote viewing?
I said, yes, was it real?
Yes, but it just didn't serve our purpose.
That's the public website.
It's not a secret.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't, I'm not believing them.
I think it served them well, but yeah.
Probably, yeah.
So there's something to it and it's been more or less
validated so many times.
How would you like people to reach you?
Look, me up on Instagram, Christopher Duncan 9,
if they want to talk to me specifically,
just send me a message or otherwise follow.
Most of my Instagram content is just means
and unrelated to anything we're talking about
or pictures of me and the hot tub with my dog.
So don't expect to be a bunch of remote viewing things.
It's just gonna be my personal page.
Yeah, but that's the best way to message you
and get in touch with you.
And you offered if somebody's interested in your services,
I know you're selective in who you pick and your clients,
but he's also offering a discount code for listeners,
which I think you put will actually didn't give it,
but if they reach out to you, it's 10%
and they just contact you.
Yep, so I usually charge $75 for like a one hour type session.
I'm very selective and I'm also not trying
to make a million dollars so I don't charge a ton of money
for it.
You know, I just, I like to help people.
So I'll give 10% off that.
My book as a TBD on date, it's,
we've got many, many, many chapters into it.
Same will go when that comes out.
If somebody just contacts me, I'll discount it for him
and give him a way to order that.
You know, if they're interested in the bio of me.
Yeah, we forgot to talk about your book.
Is there anything there?
I mean, it's a biography of your life,
but any kind of sneak peeks or...
It is very focused on the target audience
would be people recovering from
abusive relationships of some type,
whether it's romantic or parental relationships
or whatever, and my life story of overcoming that
and even now being in the 40 year age group
and still learning about things and how it affects
and moving forward from there.
So if you're interested in that kind of thing,
like, or even how somebody can be, you know,
from a corporate perspective, incredibly successful,
but then get home and struggle with the pressure
and the ability to even enjoy life
when you have what everyone else would think
that's all you need.
That's the kind of story.
If you're interested in that,
combine with a little bit of remote viewing,
a little bit of spookiness, then...
Yeah, no, I'm definitely going to read it
when it's available, so please email me
and let me know when it's out.
So again, I can update the show notes,
but thank you also for sharing and doing that
because it's not always easy to share what we go through
and be vulnerable and open that up
so that not only we can heal, but that others can heal.
So thank you for writing it and talking about it
because it is very important.
You're very welcome.
Yeah, no, I feel it just energetically from you.
I think it's going to be big, so thank you.
All right, well, thanks for being on again, Chris.
If anybody's interested, I'll include
all this information in the show notes
and I just want to say it's been real.
It's been fun and I look forward to having you back
if anything, maybe doing a class together at some point.
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