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You are listening to a psychic story. A podcast that shares behind the scenes insights of people
who lead supernatural lives among the ordinary. And I'm your host Nicole Bigley.
Join me every Wednesday as I dispel the mist behind magic and lore. Welcome to a psychic story.
Hello psychic listeners. Welcome to another episode of a psychic story. For this episode, I am thrilled.
Finally, have on Philip Attar. Philip is a somatic meditation guide and spiritual mentor. His practice
was founded in 2015 after transforming his own life from disease into ease. The stresses of his
career as a fashion brand creative director, followed by the death of his mother-in-law as well as
a divorce, all within the course of two years took a toll on him and he had some medical conditions.
And I am extremely excited to have him on because we are here to talk about many, many things,
but ultimately have him share his story and talk about a little bit what is reality. So welcome
to a psychic story. Awesome. Thank you Nicole for having me. I really appreciate it.
I'm excited to be here. Finally, I know it took us a little minute, but here we are.
Well, you know, all divine timing for sure. Now I would love to hand it over to you and just wherever
you feel led to start about where really your spiritual growth and journey began. And I know I
talked about it a little bit in that intro, but how did that unfold for you and what got you on
track to doing what you do now? Yeah, that's the big, broad question. Where did my spiritual
journey begin? I'd say, you know, I've been into this kind of work and these modalities in
general since I was a kid. I did grow up with Kung Fu, Chi Kung, and then in that there's energy
work in Shaolin Kung Fu. It's really, you know, when I was looking at even martial arts, I have
family that's more into like jujitsu and other more intense fighting modalities. Part of my family
even manages fighters. So that's the kind of how I grew up with that influence. And then I was like
the skinnier kid that wanted to meditate. And I'm like, okay, maybe what martial art can I get into
that may not be able, not that I can't, but it's not necessarily about breaking someone's entire
neck into. There's a more beautiful fluid energy movement with Kung Fu and Shaolin Kung Fu in
particular. So I really aligned with that. Started doing a little bit Chi Kung breathing techniques
now as young. It faded after a while, you know, you grew up and you kind of outgrow these things
after maybe 10 or 15 years of studying it intensively. And then long story short, fast forward to my
30s, I built up a really successful career in New York City for about 18 years or so in fashion,
in creative direction, branding, product design, worked with all of the big brands globally,
literally, especially like high-end fashion brands, retail stores doing retail design, digital
animation, advertising for print, street, all this stuff video, and worked on some really cool
projects, amazing, amazing projects. But a lot of that identity was built off of what I discovered
later was a lot of insecurity in school. A lot of I find that in fashion in general, like
fashion's built off of their insecurity. I say mine, it's even our insecurities. It's a show.
Yeah, and it's interesting because you need the conditioning of the shell to then propel a
creation in that direction. So the insecurity does drive beautiful fashion. There's beautiful
clothing and expression being created because people want to express their inner peacock. I'm like
awesome in that spectrum. It's great. On the other hand, I really, I remember there was a fork in
the road when I was in high school where the counselors were like, okay, what do you want to do?
And there was three things. There was psychology. And at the time, I didn't know why I was
interested in it. My dad used to read me Nietzsche and Carl Jung when I was a kid before my parents
got divorced when I was six. And he was a very violent man. So there was a lot of contradiction,
like he was schizophrenic, literally like that homeless schizophrenic at times on the street,
yelling at everyone. So when I thought about psychology, I just thought it was too intense,
given my violent childhood. So I was like, okay, scratch that. And I'll get back to that later,
because obviously now it's kind of the work I do. Then there was architecture and then there was
like design, product, or fashion. I decided to go into architecture. I thought I should go into that.
Long story short, I ended up just, I was disillusioned with the kind of reality, you know, the
the basis of this conversation of what school was based on. I just started to see through the veil of
the illusion of school, the kind of robot they want you to be that there's only one solution for
everything you have to do with the textbook says. And I was a real out of the box thinker. I wouldn't
agree with anything the teacher said, even though I got some of the best grades in the school.
And I guess I was even to my own home was that smart was I was like screw it. Then why do I need it?
I just failed my last year of high school. And my teachers were like after getting over 90, 95%
in school every year. I failed the last year. They were shocked. They were like, what's going on?
You're doing drugs. What's happening? What's going on? I'm like, I just don't care.
This is all a fallacy. It's not real.
I kind of started going into that thing of what we all talk about now. It's all in the
illusion. It's like, this is just. Sorry. No, that's all right. I don't know if I could swear here.
But yeah, like I was like, it's complete BS. I just didn't agree with their principles. I started
reading Carlos Castaneda at the time and started diving into a little bit of this stuff. And I
pretty much just told them I just don't believe in it. I don't think it's worth it. I don't think
it's necessary. They're like, you won't do well in life. If you don't finish school and go to
university, I'm like, I don't agree with that. They decided to pass me just because I was such a good
student overall. And they gave me a grade to get maybe not into architecture school because you
still needed something good, but a good decent creative school. They're like, pick one. We'll get
you in. We're going to help you here. We're going to help you get in. We don't want you to be a
complete derelict. We think it's just a glitch. I'm like, okay, I had a friend going into fashion.
I'm like, sounds easy enough. Let's do that. Sounds cool. Sounds cool. And a lot of that was built
off my insecurities and just wanting to be popular, wanting to be seen, growing up in only
child that didn't have an identity. I was Muslim, Roman Catholic, Iraqi, Filipino, growing up in
Canada. My gosh, you had a lot going on there. Oh, yeah. Like in a European neighborhood,
everyone was like Italian or Portuguese and I'm like, who am I? They're like, oh, well, they'd
call me Paki. And I'm like, I'm not even Pakistani. Get it right. And you know, growing up with that
was really like weird. So I tried to assimilate. You know, I saw that the kids who did well were
popular, dressed well. I'm like, that's easy. Go to the store by some clothing and take off the
glasses, got some contact lenses. Then I was popular. That led me into essentially an 18 career
in fashion. We're end up working for Vogue and magazines like that and interview magazine and
coach and Louis Vuitton, all these ads. And then it just, I built a successful career off of it.
But like any disease, that disease, if you don't deal with the trauma and growing up with that
schizophrenic father, that kind of drove me in that direction of my mother, too, my mother's
amazing. She's gorgeous human. But single working mother, we were on like, my father was on
welfare. We were in government housing. Didn't have a bedroom till I was 14. Like immigrant mother,
she like worked her off just to make sure there was food on the table. I guess this is a medium
story, not a long story short. But at that time, it was like, I just felt lost, even though I
had a successful career in fashion, I just felt empty. It's pretty cliche. I literally, I remember
working doing a game. I've gone through it. I know what you mean. Yeah. We've all, it's the cliche
story of being like, I had the money, the cars, the gorgeous wife, I had the house, lived in Connecticut,
West Village apartment, all the things, custom motorcycles, blah, blah, blah, the suits.
And I just was angry all the time. I was the angry art director and creative director
where my staff hated me. They were like, you're an asshole. I remember the days they would call me
that. And you're like, I don't care, but you do care. Yeah. I was like, well, just get it done.
And then you go home, you're like, open a bottle of whiskey and think everything's fine, right?
Everything was just, it kind of came to a halt in 2010 when all the violence in my life started
to manifest as me just being really angry all the time. My wife and I just constantly got into
fights and we were both really angry. She also came from like a lot of trauma. She was a Cambodian
refugee. So the first three years of life was in war. I would machine guns everywhere. So we were
the perfect trauma bond. That makes sense. And my mother-in-law died around that time too. We went
ballistic. And then the whole point of that story is that I just developed graves disease.
My eyes literally started popping out of my eye sockets about six, seven millimeters.
And my left eye just settled on the ground. My right eye started looking at the sky.
And I just felt like a freak. And I had to stop working for three years. And well, maybe not three,
like two or so. So yeah, that's kind of how I found myself at that time. Just really having to dig
deeper. And I didn't want to do any of the medical surgeries. I didn't agree with the doctors.
Everything was like a Frankenstein experiment. They're like, let's take out your thyroid and give
you centroid pills for the rest of your life. Pills to manage my hormones for the rest of my life.
They're like, yeah, we do that. But what if I miss a pill? What if I can't get a pill? I can't
regulate it myself. They're like, no, you can't. We have to take out your thyroid. I'm like, I don't
believe you. That doesn't make sense. And my endocrinologist, I won't name any names. Set at the time,
she triggered the f*** out of me. She was like, you know, if your hormones are imbalanced,
if we don't take it out, it won't be balanced again. Then the pills will help you. I'm like,
if they're imbalanced, why can't I just rebalance them? She's like, no, you can't do that.
And I remembered my cheek con. I remember sitting in the doctor's office that day. Oh my god,
I forget about all this energy work. Yeah, you can. I believe you can. She's like, no, you can't.
You're going to go blindfold. No, I don't think so. I told her to f*** off. Said, I'm not paying all
these bills. I'm not doing that. It's like 17 grand a month. No way. Oh my gosh. I was already in
debt 80, 90 grand from the whole medical experience going through it for a year.
And I was just like, no way. And frankly, I couldn't afford it. So I was like, forget it. They
wanted to tie knots in my eye muscles to pull the eye back, cut out my thyroid, do some arranging
around the bones in my eyes to resettle the eye sockets. And I'm like, you're all crazy.
And they just probably wanted to see if it would work. Like you said, a Frankenstein experiment
a little bit. Yeah. They probably truly didn't know what was going to happen. Well, we could try this
and let's see. Yeah. And here are all the time you're listening to your own inner self and guidance.
Exactly. And they, I find that frankly a lot, you know, with Western alopathic, that kind of medicine
where it's like just based on drugs and surgery. And they're not finding or helping you get to the
core. Not not once did she ask about, where is this potentially coming from emotional
challenges stress? It's impact on the DNA. And I started reading about it then. And there wasn't
as much information in 2010 as there is now, even on social media, I find there are to be a lot
of information, whether you can find the real stuff or not. Of course, it's the question, but
wellness is a lot more still popularized now, especially with some new data and proof. But at the
time, I just was like, no way. So I started diving back into deep states of breathing and meditation.
And I essentially went into what I now kind of known as a somatic surrender. Just if I'm in a
state of this ease, then what if I just get into a state of ease? That was the first thing I thought.
My strategy is to get into a state of ease in my body, my mind and my soul. What do I need to do
that? And that's when it just clicked. It just was like a huge massive divine light bulb.
And I remember it like hit me. I was in Cambodia at the time with my wife. We were still kind of
figuring out a divorce. And it just hit me. I was lying in the deck, just lying down the same
somatic technique I use now with my clients. And I just surrendered for hours a day. I wouldn't even
call it a meditation. It's like you kinesthetically surrender the muscles, the molecules, the breath,
until your bodies beyond the state of ease. And you feel kinesthetic, you feel sore center. Do you
feel that kinetic pulse? Oneness. The oneness, the one consciousness that people usually feel
of throwing drugs or psilocybin or MDMA, et cetera. Yeah. And then I just eight months later,
I started to receive, start to go back. You said when you wrote in that you heard something
intuitively. And you saw books on a coffee table that were related to healing. So there was
that a different moment where you heard that voice and you experienced that as well. It sounds like
you were kind of given multiple insights. So to speak, when you were talking to your doctor,
when you were in Cambodia, those sort of things. Can you talk a little bit about that?
Oh, yeah. The stories I just told right now is like that was before that. So that was like.
Oh, okay. Sorry to get ahead. No, no, no, no, I probably started too early too. I started like
really early in the story. No, but that's why it's called a psychic story. This is your story,
Phil. This is what the episode's all about to take as much time as you want.
So the timeline of what I talked about was around 2010 to 2012, 13, give or take. Then that first
light bulb was more around what to do in my body. That was kind of like an inner connection to some
divine knowing that just was like so super sharp and clear. Then after I really re-regulated my
hormones and healed the disease in me, we got a divorce. It was extremely crazy and violent.
Mother and wife passed away already. The family, we all kind of went ballistic. She had a brother
and a father. We loved each other dearly, but I just I took the Jack Russell. They're like,
no one else could keep the dog. I'm like, I'll take the dog, I guess. No one felt regulated
enough to take care of a dog. I was the only one who was like, okay, I'll do it. Sure. So I took
which who I loved spent so many years with that Jack Russell loved her. She passed away last year.
Mila. Hi. Hi, Mila. Other divine guide. And yeah, around 2015, the story that you just brought up
was then I moved into a new loft to start a brand new life in Red Hook, Brooklyn. It was like my
dream loft. It was like, I don't even know if they have these lofts in New York anymore. It was like
20-foot ceilings, 20-foot window, huge two floors loft for a good price, not like some expensive
condo. And when I moved into that loft, I found one black raven feather at that time. And that's
the only thing that was in there. And at the time, logically, I'm like, well, I guess the previous
owner or you know, left it there. Or yeah. Okay, fine. But I'm still like, it was like a massive
feathers, like, I don't know, 20 inches or something like that. Well, maybe not a raven. It was like,
I forget the bird I thought it was, but it was a big feather. And I was just like, okay, that's
odd. And I was spiritual. So I was like, what is that? I just got tingles when I saw it. And at
the time, I didn't commit to this healing path yet. I was studying a bit of this stuff in Raky.
But I was, I went back into fashion because on like, screw it, I'll just go make money.
Yeah, because you were like, I need to catch up. I need to catch up. Yeah. So I went back into
fashion, starting getting big gigs again. So I'm getting paid a lot of money. And I was starting
to get, I won't say I was going to start to get sick again, but my eyes start to flutter. I was
still stressed. And at that time, it was like 2015 summer. My birthday is July 20th. I had a few
friends and even my ex-wife sent me books. Three or four of my dear friends mailed me books without
them even known that they're each sending me a book on healing modalities and spirituality because
I was getting really deep into it. One was on specifically the founder of Raky. One was on,
I'm actually planking out what they were. A few of them were on traditional Eastern yogas,
not the way we know yoga in the West, but like Nana, yoga, Raja, yoga, like mentalism, like the
source of true yoga, mental and body, mind practices, and some very deep books on healing.
And for whatever reason that week after my birthday before August, I just started to lay the books
out on my coffee table, like there were nine of them. And I don't know why I did that. I'm like,
let's see what books I have. And I went, I was also updated. Books are on bought a few more.
And I laid them all out of my coffee table. I'm like, okay, they're here. I don't know why.
Left them there for a week, then around August 3rd or on August 3rd, 2015. I'll remember
this day for the rest of my life. I went upstairs to sleep. I didn't feel steady enough to sleep,
stable, rested. I went downstairs and I was like, let's find the feather. The feather, by the way,
all that time I was building out the loft, building out the office, building out the kitchen,
and I like stored the feather in my storage room on a shelf. I went to go find it. I kneeled it
above the bed, being like a decorative piece. I'm like, let's have, hang a big feather there.
It was on a regular steel nail. The nail still, I was like, not satisfied with the nail. I was a
designer. I'm like, I need a copper nail for some reason. Then I had copper nails because I was
building some furniture with copper nails. I'm into that kind of stuff. And then I went to get a
copper nail, re-nailed it with a copper nail. I'm like, feels good now. Hung with a little black
strain, raven feather. I go to sleep. I wake up with sweats in a vision that was kinesthetic. It
was visceral. It wasn't even like a vision or a dream. I was like 45 degrees on an angle off
the ground with wings behind my back. And there was like, before that, a huge hand on my back to wake
me up. And I just felt like wings like floating, like literally like flying about in so much wind.
And I just freaked out. I was like, what is that? And then I almost like, came back to like, I was
in another dimension. Was in my body and my heart was racing. And I just was like, what the
was that? I've never had an experience like that in my life. And I've had dreams. I've attempted
to astral project when I was younger. But at that stage, you know, in 2015, I never had a visceral,
it was clear, audience clear. The whole thing was like intense and visual. I was so scared. I ran
downstairs and was like, I'm sleeping on the couch. I can't sleep. And then before I ran downstairs,
I've never been religious or into angels, even though I grew up Roman Catholic. I've never
been the guy that's into angels at all. And I just, I don't even know who the angels are at that
point. And before I got out of bed to run downstairs, I'm like, angel Gabriel. Why did I say that?
And I said that out loud. I was like, is that angel Gabriel? And then I pick up my phone. I
Google angel Gabriel. I'm like, who's angel Gabriel? And angel Gabriel is known to have a copper halo.
And then I was like, mother of God. Copper and the wing. And then I hung it on a copper nail.
And I'm just like, even now I'm getting goosebumps. It's like, I got chills when you were telling that.
It was intense. And then I go back down. And it's the angel of communication as well.
Yes. And the throat chakra communication, feeling hindered and expressing myself creatively,
even though I was in a creative field. I go back downstairs. I sleep on the couch. I'm like,
screwed. I'm not sleeping in bed. I'm too scared to freaked out another vision. Like then it's
this vision of God. If it's so cliche, would Superman flying towards me? Would like Morgan Freeman's
head, because Morgan Freeman used to play God. And I just have to ask you are not to get in a
hallucinogenic system. No, no, this is all natural. That's so insane. Wow. No celosibon. No,
then like Superman's flying towards me. And then essentially this clear,
audience voice just says to me, if you don't live up to your potential, you will regret it.
Here, let me help you. Here's a head start. Then boom, flash of light. I wake up. I'm on my couch.
I look at my coffee table, nine books of healing modalities. And then it just hits me like,
oh, I'm supposed to teach this. And it was like a big slap in the face of like you're at the time
hold. It was like 33 ish. They're like times running out. You're going to, you're going to get
started now. It's going to be a long run ahead. Get started. Wow. And then that's when I just,
I just committed my Instagram to that day. You can't go back that far. It's too far. I get
archive stuff since then, but the same Instagram I have now. I was like posting fashion stuff,
vogue, digital animation, all the stuff I was doing, you know, superficial stuff. The next one's
the feather. Exactly. It literally was the feather. And I start posting stuff that I just,
I didn't even read the books to be honest with you. I didn't read any of those books. I just
started channeling stuff. And then my feed is all the spiritual stuff that I still talk about
to the stain. My friends literally were like, Phil, what happened? What happened? What's Phil,
what's Phil doing? What's he talking about? Does he lost it? Yeah. They all thought I lost it. Wow.
So you just, from the moment of receiving that message, it was because I've had not quite the
dream experience that you have, but those clear, audience moments where it's intense. It's like,
it is designed to get your attention and to make sure that there is no question about what you're
hearing or experiencing and anyone else that you tell and hasn't had an experience like that is,
okay, whatever. But when you have one, it's like you said, there's no going back. So what did you do
with work and how did you start to build your practice? What did that look like? It was, yeah,
it was undeniable. You can deny a dream. You're like, did I have that dream? What was the dream about?
I'm not sure. Kind of this. Okay. Sure. This was like, I wrote it down. I still have it in my notes
to this day, like word for word, like what I visually saw, what the clear audience experienced,
what it said to me, consciousness, god, life, or source, whatever we call it. It was clear. It was
clear, my consciousness, whatever. It's all one anyway. And at the time, I was already studying
raky and I, I can't remember to be honest with you. If I already got my raky masters at that time,
like I was studying it for a good year and a bit because I was getting after, it was my psychologist
at the time before, then a couple years before my divorce, my therapist in New York City, she
recommended raky to me. She was very spiritual too, which I blessed her doctor for it. I love you
to this day. She was like putting her hands over her eyes and her ears and was like, you should
try raky. I think you'd be into it. I didn't know what it was. And I was like, what are you doing
with your hand? What is this? She's like raky. That's amazing. You're the doctor that shared that
with you because. Yeah. That's why Dr. Ford, I love you. Even now, it can be hard to find them,
yeah. Yeah. I so much respect for her at the time. She was like, no, you're into this kind of
stuff. I can see your healing. You should go into this and she kept putting her hands over her eyes
and ears and I'm like, what are you doing? I don't know. And at that time, after I had that experience,
I just went deep in. One of the first things I did is I renovated my workout area. I had a
separate workout area in calisthenics area. I just wiped it out, put a nice rug, put some nice
shelving, got paintings of feathers on the feather there, put my raky certificates there.
I start to study Indian sound healing like Southeast Asian sound healing to bet and singing bowls
with a master I found through another friend, very notable and Satya Brat at the time. That was his
name and I started studying the singing bowls and the frequencies and just started to dive into
the quantum, like what's happening in the brain. And I was obsessed. I was started giving away
free sessions that year. Just free. It was like a hundred people, I think. I gave away free
sessions. I'm like, I need to feel what is happening here. To experience it and learn as you go.
Yeah. And I wasn't willing to like charge or go on social, I didn't promote myself on social media.
All no one really knew except for my network. I had a big network in New York City and people once
friends and friends of friends and especially friends of friends found out that Philip healed or
all say, yeah, healed. We regulated my graves. Optumopathy disease. And my friends saw it.
Like they were like, feels cross it, feels not cross anymore. What the? How'd you do that?
I just started getting clients. I want to talk about that. So you started diving in and then
working on people but talk a little bit about how you healed yourself through that too. I don't
want to skip over that. You started where you were going from a state of disease to ease and then
the somatic part. And that was in 2010. Then in 2015, you had this experience in August 3rd where
you heard and then you changed and pivoted your direction with your everyday practice and more
to help other people as well. So when was that healing for you with the graves disease? What did
that look like? So that was more around 2012. 2010, I was diagnosed officially with graves,
graves, Optumopathy, endocrinology reports, et cetera. 2011, 2012, I started to dive into the
healing. 2012, 13, the eyes started to recede back in my head. They're still sticking bulging out,
maybe a millimeter or two. I did have the measure like a few years ago. It's still like where they
should be in my eye sockets, but it's not six or seven anymore. And I'm definitely not cross
sides. So I'm very happy still. That was before 2015, 2012, I just started committing to that
somatic surrendering practice. That's what led me to rakey. I started the somatic work on my own in a
deep state of kinesthetic meditation. Then my therapist recommended, I forget the year 13 issue.
Yeah, it's around then. Around then recommended that I try rakey. I tried rakey. I met a friend
there, Karen Reed, who's still the only practitioner I go to. She's, I love her to death. She's,
we studied at the same time for years. We're so committed to like learning it from different
teachers, reading about it, studying other modalities, like sound healing, really digging into the
why, how, not just hands on rakey on, which I thought was too simple. I'm like, no, that's not
enough. Like I have to be activating something. How do I do that? Then I started diving into really
how I healed myself. My eyes were receding because my body was getting more into state of ease.
And I just discovered that if I released the tension in my cells through a somatic practice,
then it's hard to show where this obviously on audio, but my fists are clenched right now.
Imagine your cells over decades of conditioning and trauma, just literally vibrating out so much
friction, like a snowball, just like friction, friction every decade, more friction, because you're
living in disease. That is literally suppressing the DNA and the telomeres and the chromosomes.
And triggering things and creating imbalances in your hormones and your different glands in
your body. The thyroid is your gland. It's the throat chakra, but it's a gland that releases hormones
either in an imbalance or balanced way based on your emotional state, which in the east we know
that as chakras. So, pineal gland, pituitary gland, throat thyroid, heart adrenals, gonads, all of
these are glands that cater to the seven chakras in the body that address different hormones.
Let me know that now with modern science. When I just release tension in my body, then the energy
that's inside of the cell has less friction, so it can just do its job. It's why you can start
to entrain a different frequency of ease into the cells, which can begin the healing process.
I also discovered around that time that it wasn't just raky. They don't describe this in raky,
which is where I find raky teachings just a bit too shallow in general. That's my opinion.
There's a gap. There's a gap of like, well, how? Not one raky teacher taught me how none of them
knew. I was one of the few in my region who were like, Philip knows how. Talk to him. I just studied
it. Two things are happening in an energy practice. Three, actually. Number one, somatic. Your
bodies get into state of ease. The cells are easing up, allowing the energy, life force, God, to do
its job, because now it's not suppressed with conditioning and friction. That's the vibration of
oneness essentially. Exactly. Living in the vibration of oneness opens up the cell for blessing
after blessing to be, you know, surrender your will to God and blessing after blessing will
be provided to you. That's what's happening. Your surrendering, your will, your cells open up,
your washed and flooded, your sins, your missteps are washed away with life force. God,
it's cleansing the DNA because it's able to. Boom, beginning of healing. Step one, step two, your
brain can get from a beta alpha theta delta, brainwave state. Beta is when you're normal and awake,
like right now. High beta is when you're stressed and you're just like frenetic energy. Alpha is
the beginning of a meditative state where most meditators get to. It's not too deep. Theta
delta is when you're in a deeper meditative state, potentially unconscious consciousness,
like that in between state. Theta is when your immune system is activated. Your followers maybe
have heard of theta healing. Raky is technically getting you into a theta state with the help of
entrainment from the practitioner as well. I'll get into that in a minute. But getting into a theta
state in your brain is what actually activates the immune system linked to your gut. Boom.
That's the activation that people talk about. That's the activation where they feel it in their
third eye. That's technically what's happening, like biochemically. You're now surrendering the body,
opening up the cells, allowing life force to cleanse the DNA, dropping the brain from a beta
alpha into a theta. Theta activates the immune system. More healing. Boom. You do that consistently
for weeks to months. That's what's technically healing you. That connection to what we call life
force. God. The third thing in a raky practice is now with a practitioner. They're entraining their
frequency in their heart at a different, more loving, let's say, whole frequency than yours.
By proximity, their heart frequency, their heart, mind coherence is literally
entraining your frequency in proximity. And also you can do this, of course, with distance
raky through intention. But you're entraining the frequency and helping the person
reduce their brain waves, dive into that heart frequency and regulate their own body.
That's amazing. So I haven't heard anyone explain it that way. So thank you very much. I'm a raky
master as well. And I always have thought of that third step as, you know, when they say
for the practitioner to get out of the way. So your ego, you step all that aside and you're
healing tool, and vessel for God or life source energy to allow, I guess, those frequencies and
vibrations. It's not really going through you as much as I always imagined it as holding space
and amplifying all of the things that were just happening. So that's how I would visualize it in
my mind's eye. But the way you explained it makes a lot more sense. Well, that's true. They're both
linked. So they're directly linked. For example, it's the same thing in my somatic practice. We're
doing the same thing. We're laying down. You have to surrender your will. You're surrendering your
ego. It's not even about me meditating. It's not about me healing or getting into one state. It's
can't be about that. I have to surrender. Let go. Surrender in your language, you know, detach.
Get away. Remove my ego. Same thing. We're doing. We're surrendering our will and our ego
to allow life for a source to either, again, perspective, be a vessel through us. Or frankly,
it's one where engulfing our heart and immersing ourselves in ones where we are no longer there.
And when you do that, even heart math has studied this, we're going to study this last decade or so
heart math institute. And I'm going to be doing this with my own institute in the next. I'm
dedicating my life to this with my own academy that I'm launching next year. We're going to be
studying this. My assistant coach is also studying neuroscience. I love this. Oh my gosh,
I'm going to be so in. We're diving deep into really studying the magnetic nature of your
electromagnetic field and how that's amplified in a kinesthetic meditation, rakey practice,
all of it. We are going to I'm committing the rest of my life to studying this. And your biofield
energy grows the more you connect to oneness, which can also be linked to a gamma epsilon
meditative state in the brain, which is really hard to get into for most people. It's like expert
meditators. I've measured it with EEG machines with myself and my clients. We get into peak gamma
epsilon waves. Epsilons harder to measure with some instruments, but we definitely get into theta,
delta gamma waves, which is above beta. That's when you hit that one conscious in state and you're
you don't even feel your body. You've dissolved your body. You're in one. That for rakey master,
when you know, when we activate that to any degree, obviously in percentage or self in the daily
or practice with a client, that's entraining just through sound frequency. It's entraining the
frequency of the person that we're with or the even with distance rakey with the intention you have
towards the person you're working with. So that entrainment is really important in how it
allows that person to surrender more into themselves. So they surrender their brainwaves,
they surrender their muscles, they surrender their will. Your entrainment helps catalyze that
for them if people need assistance. The only difference is now for me, I technically teach that I
just don't call it rakey. I don't call it distance rakey because for me and my clients, I want
to remove any identity. The definitions of things, yes. Because I find there's nothing wrong with
its cultural, so it needs to happen. But for me, I know I'm here to help more people understand
what this is. And if you start labeling it, Christians aren't going to be into it, Catholics aren't
going to be into it. People who study other modalities aren't going to be into it. Only people
who are into rakey will be into it. And then I feel it's limiting in general. So as I define and
broaden the definition, take it out, I find more people into it. And this is more of an ego thing,
but for me, it does drive me baddy when you look into even rakey. And there's so many subsections of
rakey fire rakey all of it. Yeah, fire rakey angel rakey all of it. It's just and then more and
more practitioners defining and almost branding their own version of that when in reality,
what you said is it's connecting to that oneness, that source, that energy. And also why I think we
say to people, I didn't heal you, you healed yourself, but it is also the power of the connection
and the group and the amplification of it brings in that energy and makes it so much more
flowing through us and real, which kind of ties into the reality where I want to get into that a
little bit. So I know that's a big question and a remaining time here, but from your perspective,
what is reality? And you know, you talked a little bit about that before we hit record, but I
really loved how you were explaining the hands and where we are and what possibilities are.
Oh, destiny. Yes. I'm going to hand that over to you because it ties also as well to your trauma,
your experience and how you walked through your life and showed how healing yourself and others
as possible. Let's start here. Your reality in the beginning is based on your program. That's
reality. So for example, I didn't grow up with your life. I can't have your life. There's frankly no
way that I can move my intention vibration at least yet, you know, into Nicole's life right now
and experience your algorithm. It's all an algorithm. Your DNA's program through your parents
conditioning, grandparents, collective, cultural, where you grew up, societal. The lineage DNA.
The lineage exactly. I have an in human form. My Arab history goes all the way back. It's
pretty direct. My Filipino one is mixed. There's like Spanish and Portuguese and African in there.
It goes from all over and Asian and Japanese in the Philippines. So number one, you're destiny and
your reality is based on your programming and your condition. Now, when we talk about a reality
from a quantum level and energetic level, it's also obviously that informs the program informs your
perception of yourself, of your life, of other people and your identity in the world and what you
create. My trauma, my insecurity, created a direction and fashion. Boom. Created dissonance eventually
because it was based on a false identity that was a pole that didn't feel healed and then dizzy
starts. Boom. Reality. But you could actually say that that was my destiny once I chose to even
get into fashion and even beyond my choice of fashion, architecture, or even psychology, I would
even argue that regardless I would have gone through trauma because I still grew up with a
schizophrenic homeless father with a lot of violence. And when you grew up like that, it's already
skewing you in the direction, the way my parents interacted, how they spoke, how they related to
each other, programmed me and it's all an energetic programming. And it's learned too. It's learned,
it's environmental and it's learned, it's conditioned as well. And when you can understand that
at your reality's program, now let's dive into the quantum, it's energetically programmed, right?
There's a programming within the quantum DNA, even within the atomic particles that are
cohesively binding together and intelligent, somehow knowing to bind together and create these
quantum sacred geometry structures that bind into molecules, that bind into oxygen, that bind
into carbon, that bind into your hair, that bind into your personality, and you're like, whoa,
if you were to do an exploded diagram of that quantum, you're like nothing but geometric
patterns and vibrations. Now you look at your reality from that lens, what's my reality?
Can I be any reality within that quantum truth? And here's where I kind of argue against some
teachers or practitioners like, you can create any reality you want. I still say no,
your program, so it's like a pie chart. I could create like my hand isn't a V right now,
just imagine like a V. When you're born, you have the potential to create like let's say a pretty
wide range of a life, but it's still limited. I can't create the full 360 degree circle, meaning
I can't be born from my parents in my region in Canada with their upbringing and their conditioning,
their DNA, and have Nicole's life. I can't do that. So it's not unlimited, it's limited.
But now my conditioning starts to narrow that V. The choices I make, the choices I'm conditioned to
make, the trauma bond relationships. I've had many of them, frankly, until now because of the
violent childhood and the relationship between my parents without work healthy at all.
Now my reality is based more on my programming, not my choices. My choices are even conditioned
programming until I wake up. I say that when we wake up from this matrix, when we have our awakening,
to me, that's like all that means is now you have the keys to recondition your program.
But you're still not completely free because you're still in the program. Yes.
I love how you just said wake up because I was feeling led to go there and you took the words out
of my mouth. So that's perfect. Yes. You're not free. You're still in the movie. You're still in
the matrix. Yeah. Yeah. When people are like, I'm out of the matrix. I'm like, no, you're still in
the bigger matrix that that matrix was in. Like red pillar blue pill. Doesn't matter who made the
pills. Like how were the pills even program blue or red? You'd get see like meta. Like everyone stops
at the red or blue pill. Like the pills exist within a whole program existence. So now my reality
when I wake up is broader. I can go back now to the original V of like, oh, this was your potential,
essentially. Now I have more, I could look at the whole V and now I could be like, oh, instead of
going like 32 degrees to the left, Northwest, you know, whatever, like that one line, I have more
timelines available to me. Which one do I want? Which one is my highest, meaning my most fulfilling
one. That's what we mean by highest and purpose when people ask for that purposeful, impactful,
helping humanity, living your dream. What does that feel like? How can I manifest that?
And that's when it becomes more about in my work and in our work and energy work, the way I
describe it, I don't do affirmations or visualizations person. We don't look into anyone's future
at all in my work, like zero. All we do is number one, reductively strip away the old program.
Step one, then we can have a blank or slate to the original V to now create a new reality,
but we're not creating a new reality yet until we begin to strip a good portion of that programming
away, because it's like trying to program in a full hard drive. That's corrupted. Good luck.
You got a wipe it clean in order to start. You got a wipe it clean. That's why energy work is so
important in the beginning to start to wipe it clean, because you can start to strip it away.
Then your reality at that stage, once you start to strip it away, in my work, you don't have to
think of your intention anymore of what you want. Your heart will naturally emanate true frequencies
that are more aligned with your highest destiny, because it's clear your original programming will
now show through of your potentials, like the original programming is there. Then it's whatever
arises naturally. And once we strip that away, what's the next lily pad? You strip that away,
another sign comes up. You strip that away, or the directions laid out for me. You strip that
away. Oh wow, I have solutions and teachings and mentors to help me with this. You strip it away.
Books are given to you. It's just like you strip it away and you're like, oh man, the
yellow brick roads are already here. You're in that state of oneness and being more often and
frequently, so that you're not having to. Exactly. You're not having to actually
oddly enough, at that point, reality is you don't even have much choice. I don't feel like I
actually have much choice anymore. The cleaner my heart gets, the more work I do to just
to productively strip it away, and I still do short immersion every day. And longer immersion is
what I call them like every day and every week. And I'm just removing the tension and the friction,
amplifying from there, and then it just gets magnetic. And then boom, lily pad after lily pad
is presented to me. My reality at our coin is God given destiny. Love the way you explain that.
I am feeling led to also ask about then consciousness. So when you said awaken state, because the way
I remember it from when I was younger, I must have been, I don't know, maybe five or six, and I
remember walking and having this really outside was a sidewalk. And I remember having this
really surreal moment. And maybe it's the natural way of how our brains operate and think and we
start to create our personalities and have those experiences. But thinking this is really weird.
I'm in this body. I'm having this experience. No one else can have this experience the way I'm
seeing it and experiencing it was a surreal moment. Looking back on it, I feel that that was
consciousness, that was awakening that was allowing me to see the quote unquote reality for what it was.
But then also those heightened states of consciousness and awareness and spiritual awakening as we
have them many more moments as we grow and evolve. What is that consciousness then? Is that part of
our soul? How would you explain that? Not just my experience, I mean, but ultimately, you know what I'm
talking about? It's like clicks in your brain and your present and you just acknowledge and are aware
of everything around you. So I did a post about this recently, just a question, because in my work,
the deeper and deeper I get, the more I feel we don't have souls that are separate from us.
Here's a concept, just for your listeners. It's a concept, a question. I'm not making any like
claims that this is frankly. No, I love this, please. But a soul comes from the idea that there's
an energetic entity outside of you that then as we know it, of course, in the spiritual path,
that it's not so much that we have a human body with a soul. It's that the soul is inhabiting
and energetically creating an experience. The soul is living a human experience in on us decades
of spirituality and even after the new age. But if we really dive into not just conceptually
oneness, and the only time I could understand this myself is when I'm actually in the kinesthetic
practice, when you take away the mind and you're immersed in one, you realize that everything is
one, meaning there's nothing outside. Literally, I look at consciousness as the grains of
sand that make up everything within one and each sand grain isn't out. Like the drop of water
within the ocean. Exactly. The drop of water is not a soul inside the ocean. The drop of water is
a manifestation that happens when you change the environmental structure. It comes out and you're like,
oh, drop of water, but it's still part of the ocean. That's what I look at as our what we perceive
as our soul. It's not really a separate thing. It's intelligence. I call it life's intelligence,
consciousness. It's constructing everything at once. Literally, in a now moment, everything in
the universe that we perceive as everything is constructed. It's already created. If you can look
at that and we even speak about that now in quantum science of what oneness and how there is no time
and times of perception and time is the fourth dimension of movement within the three dimensions of time
and then put them together with space. The three directions of space, the fourth dimension of time,
that's movement in the three directions of space, now create the perception of time because I'm
moving. I'm my voice took time to get from here to you. You could distinguish manifestation. I'm
getting really meta here. I'll fully make sense. No, it is. I'm following. It's blowing my mind,
but I'm falling. Yeah, so it's like you're in this fourth dimension construct of time that is
movement of energy in motion within three areas of space. Now we can construct things, but even the
construct of time space lives within one. Even beyond of what we think of as up, down, left,
right constructs of space, time, movement of energy and motion within space is a construct within
one that is not within. When you think of that, it's not so much that we have a soul that's
constructed within consciousness or God, life force, the universe, the universe is still limiting,
like the multiple, everything, the all. I prefer the all. Okay, I love that. I haven't heard that
before. The all means when I refer to God, I refer to all because it encompasses, it's the eternal
all every single thing. Like eternity doesn't even have time. Eternity is without time. That's why
it's eternal. Time is a construct of movement within eternity, right? Is there a soul or is every
grain of sand just kind of like creating a moon, creating the void of space, creating an asteroid,
creating you, creating your hair follicles? It's just creating now within infinite created platform
that's eternal. Is there a soul or is every grain of sand intelligent? Then what's the consciousness?
Consciousness is just the intelligence within the grains of sand, the expression consciousness
is the program of the grains of sand and when you connect more and when you disconnect from your ego
or your perception of your solid body, because even in my somatic practice, in our heightened
states, you dissolve your perception of your body because now you're you're literally surrendering
your will so much that the vibration of your body disappears. You're now in the consciousness
that is making up the grains of sand that is making up your cells and even if you look at your
body, quantumly 99.999 percent of you is made up of that void of space. So most of you isn't even
solid, quote, unquote, to begin with. Yes. Pents the question, what is reality? What is reality? When
none of you is even your matter has been redefined. Matter doesn't exist. Matter is our perception
of solid matter, like my hands right now, is vibrational frequencies, vibrating at such a density
and speed and through different coherent frequencies and quantum vibrational constructs and geometries
create the appearance and or sound perception or felt of something physical. At 99.999.999
percent of you is just the same space and outer space that is the intelligence of life. It's made
of the intelligence of life. So consciousness to me, when we dive into a raky practice, a meditative
practice of one consciousness practice, you're dissolving your perception of the human experience,
diving now into the quantum oneness, the grains of sand, it's all intelligence. It's that
interconnection. Yes. We feel separate. That's why there's always that saying of you're never
separate. So when we say to connect, we're still connected. But what you're saying is that we're
dissolving that appearance or that perceived reality, which isn't necessarily our reality,
in order to reconnect or get in that state, where we're back to that oneness. And the more we can
do that, whether you caught frequency vibration, whatever that is, that state of being that gets us
back to it. And the reason I asked the question, too, was a while back, I had this thought and I asked
my experience, my guides and angels. I know you're not this big angel guy per se, but they gave me
this concept of oneness and life force or all is that God, if you want to use that term, it splinters
off into these souls or these, this consciousness. So maybe we don't use the word soul in order for
the experience to have it. And that's why those individual grains of sand are individualized,
but we're still part of that larger beach or ocean waiver that constructs, so to speak,
is to be able to, I guess, experience life and the different realities and amusing air quotes here.
Yes. Yeah. Is that the purpose of it? Well, I feel like separation is life, right? Because even if
you think of the void of space and vibrational particles, okay, let's get really deep into this,
even think of something vibrating within the void of space. That is intelligent, even cognitive
of void is not correct, but let's just call it the void. The emptiness of what we consider empty
is actually quite pregnant and full of life, obviously it's creating life. But for something to
vibrate within space, it's already separating. Yes. Even the terroidal field, you know the swastika
that was unfortunately appropriated by Germans. Yeah, I know the symbol, but I don't know the history
about it. The original history of it that Hitler appropriated was actually a terroidal field
symbol of the beginning of life, the spinning of life. And it's why it looks like a helicopter,
the swastika. Almost like a propeller. Propeller, it's a propeller. And in my deep, deep, deep,
deep meditations, I saw it, I felt it. I was like, it was like in my face, you're like in it,
you're kinesthetically the body's gone, you're in the terroidal field, and all you see is the swastika,
and you're just like, and I wasn't on psilocybin, this is on my like self-induced practice.
And then you understand where that symbol comes from. And I also understand how they saw it
without any quantum tools or microscopic instruments, they saw it because I felt it in my clients,
like we can feel it ourselves when we're in the deepest of practices, you dissolve your body,
you're in the terroidal field, you're in creation itself, you are it. And the very moment it
starts to spin, that's why it's the beginning of separation, because something starts to spin
within everything, the something becomes something, it is now something, it is now separate,
that is the original sin. Sin meaning misstep, meaning you need cause and effect separation to
separate from what we perceive as God. And then that separation starts to create different levels
and degrees within it, because it can, that's the whole point of cause and effect. And separation,
I now can create universes, I can create galaxies, I can create different dimensional experiences
within each the 12D, 5D, 3D, everything 4D. So in that regard, yeah, there's a soul that is
entity within the all within a dimension that we define it. And those are like the creative levels
and steps of creation to then get to a material realm or gradations. It's not that I think soul
is wrong, I think that we just explained it right now, that's where the concept of soul comes from.
Makes sense, absolutely. For me in my work, it's always just about let's take away everything,
get to one. Yes. I want no stories, no illusions, no definitions, because that gets my clients and
the people I know we get deeper into it when we start to remove them. We start to create constructs
or only stick to the angels as guides in my work, I know I obviously speak to angels, I did.
But when I remove it, they even clap for me. They're like, oh, you don't need us. They say that
to me too. They're like, why do you have to name us? Why are there all these things? They're like,
you guys just want to define everything and call it something. Yeah. Exactly. And they've called that
to me too. I did that last summer when I was in ceremony, I was asking for their guidance. Again,
and I wrote it down in one of my notebooks. And I actually told myself, or they told me in the
channeled message, you don't need us. That's why you're not experiencing this anymore. Do it on your
own. Period. That's the ascension you've ascended, my dear. Yeah. And that's when my practice, my
gammas, what I label now, I name it just for human purposes. So people know what I'm talking about.
The practice that I call gammas sun is that practice of ultimate surrender. No music tracks,
no guidance from me. The whole program for eight weeks is for me to teach you how to self induce
yourself. We're eventually after week six. You're not even listening to me on the call. We're sitting
there for one hour. And I'm just looking at everyone on Zoom. Whoa. I'm like, everyone lie down. We've
been doing this for six weeks. Go to it one hour. I might, I might even stay longer. I might even
cut it off at 10 minutes. No expectation, no judgment, no future, no intention, no nothing,
no angel, no soul, no nothing. You go deeper, quicker. Period. Because you're completely unattached
to anything. Wow. Very cool. That makes sense. Hopefully. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I feel like I need to,
I feel like I need to take your class. And when I can talk to you for hours, but I want to be
respectful of your time. So this is awesome. Okay. So we talked about souls that totally make sense
of the consciousness. Thank you for answering that. I think we talked about angels a little bit more
too, because I was actually going to say, so you have that one experience, what happened, but it
sounds like you've reached a certain point where yes, you can still tap in and connect with them,
but for the most part, or communicate, I should say, for the most part, you're using your own
inner guidance and all of that. I do want to talk briefly about the higher self then. Is this
just like another definition slash term that we put on things? Oh, yeah. It's another one I love,
like soul. Yes. Yeah. And the reason I also ask is because I've been asking myself these questions
as well. And I do feel they're still. So for example, when I'm connected to my higher self,
or when I say centered and aligned, that does feel like that let's just call use these words. I know
we don't necessarily like using, but individual or like my soul self, it feels familiar. It feels
like I'm aligned with that purpose and I'm heading in certain directions. There's that again,
that centeredness and connectedness. So I've kind of seen higher self is having a view of all of
myself in different times, spaces, dimensions, realities, and having almost like that conscious
level awareness. Maybe I only consciously am experiencing it in this lifetime, but my higher self
is experiencing on all. And that's connected to the all and all of that. Am I explaining that from
your perspective? Is that your same experience? Or how would you maybe describe if it even exists
the higher self? From the way you described it, I feel is the way everyone experiences it. So I'd say
yes, it's the way we experience it. Dimensions. Again, it goes back to the grains of sand.
For there to even be grains of sand and a beach within the all, there's already separation,
which means it's like my higher self is the lifeguard of the beach essentially. Like it sees all
the grains. Exactly. Or the sky that's above the beach. Yeah. Even the way kind of trash talk a bit
labels on my feed. Like I'll be like, what's the soul? I'll ask people questions. What's your higher
self? Let's just ask. Here's my perspective of it. That's a stage that's already a higher evolutionary
stage than an unconscious human when you and I were both unawake, right? So it's almost kind of like
your ego. You have your ego. You have your higher self. It's a stage of your experiences.
But if we're really going to bring back one consciousness into this now moment, then let's like
even for your listeners right now, let's do this. If you don't mind, like let's take a long slow
deep breath, plant your feet firmly on the ground. If you're sitting down, I'll just do this quickly.
Release the tension in your body. I'm doing it down to your feet, ground your body into the earth
into this experience, long slow deep breath. Four, five seconds in through the nose and out while I
speak, consider this the meditation. As I release the tension in my body and just become more present
with you, Nicole, in this time space portal, like right here right now, my connection to what we
define as one needs no label or boundary in between it. None. And the work is to energetically
amplify and embody that literally right now. Like we're not just talking about it. We're not
just saying this. We're doing it. You and I know especially you and your raky practice, we're like,
if I had to describe it would sound, it's like I went from like tut tut tut tut tut tut,
to like now I'm like...
you're folding your breath into the breath of life. Even in my gammas on practice, we become breathless.
It's kind of like the breathless yogi practices that yoga nanda and gurus, that's technically what I
teach. We get into these breathless states, where you feel you're not even alive. You're not even
meditating. You don't even exist. And you're not even breathing. You're maybe doing one breath a
minute. You're allowing yourself to breathe through the oxygen within you. Then your breath
cradles and folds into the one breath of life. And you're in one. What's higher? And that stage,
nothing is higher. So the reason I ask those questions, even on my Instagram and social feeds,
I'm just trying to ask questions not saying they don't exist. They do at a stage. But now we're
evolving. So what do we evolve? What how do we evolve beyond the labels of higher? What if we bring
higher into every moment? We're now in this moment, there is nothing higher. That's what Jesus
was teaching. And one of the last clear visual experiences I had where they literally were like,
now you don't need us anymore was last summer. That was the last one I had where I went into this deep
consciousness state again, deeper than I ever have in my life connected to raw,
hathor consciousness, Egyptian deities, known as also star entities from Sirius. I can get deep
into that. But just known as consciousness from another dimension, raw the Sun God, why I call
my practice gamma Sun, because I had a gamma brainwave state connected to the Sun. And it was
visceral connection, saw Yeshua's face, who was also the Sun of God. I connected the dots for
me in my experience on like Sun of God, raw, Sun God, Jesus. It's the same entity. It's all the
same. You could define it through different cultures, different eras. But I'm like, it's the same.
And then I got I'm getting goosebumps now. And in that experience, I went deeper than ever by
just I remember the day I was in I was in upstate New York. I rented this this Victorian apartment in
a house of Victorian house and apartment. And I remember the bed. I remember the sheets. And I
just surrendered. This is when I dove into what I'm speaking of today with you. I just surrendered
every label. Yes, Yeshua's face. Jesus even came to me and raw, like raw consciousness. And for
the month and a half, two months, when I went, I was like doing six hours a day. Long story short,
why even had the time was I stopped my practice, had a traumatic ear before that. My mom had a
spine tumor, data stroke, had a very traumatic trauma bond relationship breakup. One of the most
traumatic years I've had since my disease in 2010. It was like a last ripple of like your last
spiritual awakening for sure. It's dark night at the soul, we should say. Yeah, again, part five.
It never ends you. And then it literally was like, no, let go more. Let go more. You're defining
everything too much. And it was a clear audience, clear visual experience again. And it was like raw,
Yeshua, Yeshua was even like this. What you're doing right now, that's what I did. Teach this only
nothing in between you. Nothing. Just get everyone into that state. That's it. Nothing in between.
No story, no illusion. Not even Jesus's name. Nothing. People got it wrong. It's not even about me.
I just got into that state. Get into that state. That's when it just like slapped me all over every
molecular cell in my body. Let go of all dimensional states. Let go of desiring to connect. Then like
a month later, I'm in ceremony, a bit wonky and insecure because this is just too big for me.
I was like, what am I going to do with this? And how do you explain it to people too when you're at
how do you explain it to people? And I went into a meditative state. I used psilocybin for the last
time. And I'm like, I need help. And the whole vision was like, no, you don't, you don't get it.
Slap. It's like, that's the whole point. Slap me out of it. Slap me out of it. You need to practice
without anything. And that's what you teach. Then it was clear. The missing piece in me teaching
this at this level was to take everything out even the beginning of my guidance, which is why now my
method, I tell people buy my track, find my meditation, take my program. Yes, by week six, you mute
the thing. I want you to stop. It's like throwing somebody in the deep water. Like you know how to float,
you know how to swim, you know how great. So you're jumping in the deep water.
You remove the crutch and every client that's been able to get into a deeper state than they ever
have in their life got to the week that I told them stop listening to my track. They're like, but I
need your voice. No, you don't. I won't go deep enough without it. No, you will. Or yes, you will.
Boom. They stop. They're insecure for the first five, six minutes. They're like, I don't know,
I don't know, I don't know, in their body, let go, let go. I need to fill any of his voice. It's
so calming and smooth and blah, blah, blah. And then I'll send her like, let go, let go. Oh,
oh, mother, it's right now. Then they're out. And then you're like, trust. That's the ultimate
trust fall. Then you're in one. Oh my goodness. Well, I could talk to you forever. I wouldn't ask,
but we are going to wrap up. Maybe I can have you back if you're open to it. But any other final
thoughts or tips that we have not had a chance to talk about that you're feeling led to share
with the listeners. Well, maybe to summarize all that, I feel, because there's a lot of little
many big stories within the big story, ultimately to surrender your will to what we define as God,
is what every energy practitioner is teaching. And as more advanced practitioners, I will say like
you, and I did some research on you, which is why I also wanted to do this with you. You're like,
I love your energy and vibe. It's just a timing thing why we couldn't do it for a while. But even
how you speak now about it, it's really to remove us. Are we healing? Yeah, at a certain point,
we are. Our frequency is in training and helping the person guide, but ultimately to teach people
to surrender on their own or to even tap into psychic powers to tap into the all to tap into more
states of consciousness, to tap into higher consciousness and then eventually get to a state where it
is truly one and you no longer need higher. You have to surrender your body, your molecules,
surrender your will in that practice, whatever type of energy work you're defining to learn or
teach or do or practice right now, surrender your will completely, then dissolve the labels and
names in while you're in the practice. You will then experience what every teacher has taught,
what every guru has written about, what every ascended master has stood for. You'll experience it
for yourself and then you'll truly embody and begin to understand what it's hard to describe in
words, what one really means and why no labels at that stage are unnecessary. Oh, thank you so much
for sharing that. And how would you prefer people reach you? You have your website, Instagram,
YouTube, you kept it all easy with your name. Oh, yeah, I was lucky enough to just get
Philip Attar on everything. Essentially, yeah, Instagram is probably the easiest place. Everything's
there. I'm there most of the time. So PHI-L-I-P-A-T-T-A-R Philip Attar, the Lincoln Bio has all the
details there, even to my website, testimonials, my philosophy, et cetera, and programs. But yeah,
everything's there. I like to keep it. The work, even the way I describe it and market it now, we're
just even distilling it even further now this summer. It's just becoming really clear.
We help you get into a state of somatic surrender. You connect to source more deeply than you ever
have. You get your body and brain into neurogenesis, like the state of the brain that we talked
into a theta delta. Your rewire patterns, you connect to consciousness, your subconscious becomes
clear. You start to be more aware in the now moment of your pattern, the left path that you don't
want anymore and the right one that you can take, and then you just start creating new life. It
actually becomes really simple. It's almost like I've had so many clients just say it's absurdly
simple. They're almost upset that it was so complicated for the whole lives and decades.
They're like, why did I not know this before? That's the whole point of teachers like you and me
right now is that we're here to teach people you have this power. It's simpler than you think,
and you can continue on your way. And for people that want to sign up,
see you said, courses. So do you have certain types or times during the year that you offer this?
I guess people can just go to your website. This will be dropping in the next couple days.
So if there's anything you also want to plug, just feel free to add that in here.
So I have my main program is called Somatic Heart. That's a four-week live workshop where I teach
this. It's a healing program, but it's like the last healing program. I want people to develop
sovereignty. The goal of this program for someone is not just to heal and overcome some trauma
for the season this month this year. I really want them to develop sovereignty where they never
want another need another healing program again. And I mean that I can say that confidently now.
Then they're like good. They can activate and build a life and ascend from there no longer
looking in their past. You can either start with my meditation album. So I have that for like 40 bucks
that you can just start. It gives you five tracks with like a couple hours of instructions that
teaches you my method on your own. If you just want to kind of try it on your own. If you need a
bit more support and want some coaching and live guidance and weekly calls, then Somatic Heart,
the four-week live workshop starts August 5, 2023. I have that workshop every two months consistently
throughout the year. So if you can't make that one. Then after that I have my gamma sun. The advance
practice, the kind of breathless yogi, eight-week program, but you can't take that program unless you
take Somatic Heart. It's just too difficult for people. You need to have like a baseline. Yeah.
You need to have a baseline. I've tried a few people to try that advance. I'd say I'm confident
enough to say it's mastery level at that stage. To take that program and have illusions of what you
think meditation is holds you back from going deeper. So people have to really understand how to
surrender without any illusions. Then really work with the trauma and the subconscious to then get
into deeper states. And then yeah, they could join gamma sun after them. That's it. Simple.
Well, I'm definitely going to do it. Not to, I obviously need the foundational element first,
but I'd love to be able to work with you. And he's offering a meditation album discount code.
So I'm going to include that in the show notes for you guys. 20 off-grounded presents. And that'll
be live and an operational until it tells me to. It's unlimited. It's there. I created that for
you guys. So I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Yeah. All right. Well, everyone, this is Phillip Attar.
I have tried for a long time to have him on. Super happy that he's been able to join us. And we'll
definitely be having you back. Thank you so much. I appreciate your patience too. Thank you.
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