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Hello and welcome to ASCP SDTAC. I'm your co-host Maggie Stasic and ASCP's education
program manager. And I'm Ella Christman, licensed aesthetician, certified organic
formulator, ingredient junkie, and content contributor for associated skin care professionals.
So I saw recently women on the internet are sharing their experiences and fears
of getting rashes and infections on their faces after kissing men with facial hair.
Okay. How much are they kissing? How are they kissing?
Yeah. I've had it before where I've had like, I mean, this is long time ago has been
if you're listening, like, you know, just like a little bit of sensitivity, but never in
infection. True. But this is before the beard boom. The beard boom. Yeah. So I've got questions,
right? As a statisticians, right, me and Ella, we had to address this issue because there is
more happening here than just beard burn. Exactly. First of all, my first question is how are you
making out with these people? Second of all, we know that technically beard burn is a type of dermatitis
when you're breaking down the word derma skin, tightest irritation. It causes this contact that
causes irritation, inflammation, redness, swelling, itchiness, or any other type of discomfort on the
skin. So in short, we have a breakdown of skin barrier, which makes sense because the corneums
are rotted. It's allowing for yeast and bacteria to enter the skin. Oh, this gives me the
hibi jibis. This freaks me out. My husband has a beard, right? Luckily, I know his hygiene habits.
I know he's very clean, but can you imagine being a single person now in this beard boom?
Yeah, I don't want to think about it. Now that I've heard this, this is going to freak me out.
So how much bacteria do beards have? Let's find out. Okay. So we know particles from food and even
pollution there can build up on the beard. I've seen that happen. It's inevitable, right? It's
just going to happen. Yeah. The beard can make micro terrors in the skin, and this is what's leading
to the infection we're just talking. We call that dermatitis when you get that irritation.
At 2019, study published in the European Radiology Journal, compared bacteria from men's beard
to the fur on dogs neck. And it found that human beards had higher microbial count than your dogs
collar. Yeah. So the idea behind this study, I thought, was really weird, but interesting.
The reason that it was in this European Radiology study was because they wanted to know if they could
use the same machines for both dogs and humans, or if really they needed to reserve a radiology
machine for humans and a radiology machine for dogs. For like X-ray? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And discovering
in this study that dogs had less bacteria than men with beards, they determined, wow, look at
that. The dogs don't have much bacteria. So let's all let's share the equipment one machine, one
machine. Oh my goodness. Kind of weird. Yeah. Yeah. So to contradict that, there was a 2018 study
it was conducted by University of Pennsylvania. It tested 409 hospital workers and found that
bearded men carried fewer bacteria than clean shaven men. And the micro trauma of shaving
caused more bacterial growth. Let's talk about that for a minute. Yeah. Because we know that there's
the acid mantle barrier. That barrier has an influence on the immune function of the skin.
That barrier is, I mean, everybody has bacteria on their skin. Good or bad, right? And that
imbalance is what can cause skin issues when the bad takes over the good. So if you're scraping off
the barrier, essentially, you are every single day versus having this hair or the bacteria can
in my brain play hide and seek. But I feel like most, maybe just a wishful thinking too, most
with beards are going to take really good care of that. They wash it. They write. Maybe I don't
know, but it's possible that people are not washing the beard and they're just washing the exposed
skin on a daily basis. Maybe people with a beard are only getting that beard washed like when
they're in the shower. I think that this study possibly could be skewed as well because it says
hospital workers. So I am envisioning people that are wearing a mask every day. And if they're
comparing those mask wearing individuals who have beards and don't have beards, potentially I could
see clean, shaven individuals having more bacteria, even more yeast on their skin because the beard
is almost like a second layer of protection. So if that person's shaving every day and in theory,
if they have micro tears from shaving, and then they're putting a mask over that, which they're
breathing into, they're developing more, yeah, they're developing more yeast and bacteria on the
surface of their skin. This is all making me really creepy. I'm very uncomfortable. Yeah, I don't
know. I'm just like making this up as I go, but it kind of makes sense to me. Luckily I only have
like three chin hairs. I don't have a full on beard. I'm going to still get them and wash that
bacteria out, freaking me out. Hold that thought. We'll be right back.
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Okay, here we go. Let's get back to the podcast. I know that I have some clients who have
beards, like on that note, speaking of like cleansing their whole face, and this obviously alters
the way that you can peel, like I gave a gentleman a peel through his beard. Okay, tell me about that,
how much beard are we talking? It's at least three inches long. Wow, okay. And I would just,
but then it's kind of like maybe one inch in some areas. Okay, like longer. Yeah. And I just,
when I cleanse, I basically, you know, run my fingers through the whole area, go back and forth.
The challenge is making sure all the cleanser is removed, so then I go back in with him in
particular, and I use another. It's not a toner, but it's more of a preparatory product,
and just make sure I got everything. And then with the peel, I don't, he wants to look good.
And I do a different solution on exposed skin than I do on the other skin, but I do them on
both different molecule sizes so that at least he's getting that exfoliation stimulation,
that I expedited exfoliation in two different areas. So it works so far because he has shaved
a couple of times and it's even no, no lines, but it's different. It's a different process. I use a,
you remember old glycolyx swabs, like a huge q-tip? Yeah, the ran swabs. I use those
and on the beard, because you can get in and you almost like scrub back and forth up and down
in between the hair. Yeah, okay, smart. I think that all of this is an opportunity for individuals to
add, like quote unquote, beard facials or beard treatments to their service menu. That's a whole
another demographic. If so, I would definitely include, with this information, the high frequency
comb. Smart. Yeah. Well, I've seen it done before, but I would do the high frequency comb
absolutely after understanding this information because I think that would help kill some of the
malicious bacteria for sure or even out the bacteria. And also educating your clients on treating
the skin beneath the hair. I love that you said that. I love that you said that because to me,
that means they're having a balanced barrier and that balanced barrier means good bacteria.
Not like the kind that's going to make me sick. I see you scratching. Yeah, from kissing me.
Like, oh, it's like, I'm having a visceral response right now. I'm just like thinking of all
that you know, I'm going to go home and like, Jane Goodall, my husband's here to make sure that
there's no bugs or weirdness in there, no red stuff, and then like Vincent into the shower and
then kiss him all up. Because that's a little creeped out totally. So should your clients be
experiencing dermatitis regardless of how they developed the dermatitis? It's important that
you're avoiding those active ingredients, keep the area dry, keep it clean, and also when in doubt,
don't treat absolutely. If the skin is super inflamed, if they're in a state of compromise,
that's beyond yours, best to send them home with a product that will help balance their barrier
before because a strong barrier means a strong treatment and a good outcome.
Okay, so let's talk about this. Now you have a client, I'm going to say my friend,
met a person, went out on a couple dates, went really well, you know in the beginning,
you're kissing like crazy. And they have beard burn. What are we going to do? How do we recognize it?
What are we looking for? Well, I don't think you can recognize quote-unquote beard burn,
but you can recognize, like we've said, dermatitis or irritation in the skin or inflammation in
the skin and then determine how to proceed in reducing that inflammation and healing the skin.
So would you, okay, would you, when we're in consultation, hi, how are you? Good to see you again.
Okay, you've got, like you're in this investigatory stage of what could have happened.
And you're asking all these questions, would you ask by chance, have you been kissing anyone
with a beard? Did you have a make-out sash? What happens? Yeah, get down and dead on your date.
No, I wouldn't ask that. And I guess if I'm thinking about it, if I were to see some kind of
rash around the mouth, my first thought would be this individual is having eczema or they're
having food allergy or chaps lips or what's happening. That would be my first thought.
Yeah. I wouldn't think they've got beard burn. Right. So, but I mean, I guess the treatment
would be the same, but would you, maybe they are not connecting the dots either. It could be.
Yeah, I think it depends on the client. How often have they come to me? How close are we?
And it would be up to the client to tell me what they think is going on. You know, if they're not
connecting the dots, like God love them. Bless their heart. Bless their heart. I may say something
I would potentially. Let me say how I think I would handle the situation. Okay. How I might
handle the situation is I'd use my friend. I'd use a story about my friend. And I, because
luckily I have that personality where I can, in a little more casual, professional casual.
I would probably say something to the effect of are you dating? Did you have it? Like, you know,
let me tell you a story of my friend. It could be that. It could be your toothpaste. It could be
these other concerns. And the only reason is none of my business. The only reason that we want to know
is so that we can understand how to treat. So if we're making it more solution-based, then they
may share that. And then from that, another thing we can say is go get them. Here's another product
that you might want to use before your next date. That could offer some support, like a barrier
of some sorts. Yeah. Yeah. Barrier bomb. Barrier bomb. I would do that. Would you be comfortable
with that approach? Totally. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Maggie, the other thing about this is this is
perfect timing. Father's day. Good gift ideas. A really good beard cleanser. A beard oil to keep it
balanced. I mean, just something to think about. Maybe a gift certificate for a beard facial.
So keep that in mind. Great gift ideas for the men in new life, whether you're single and
dating or been together for a long time. It's still a great opportunity to clean it up.
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