Ep 196 - Intimate Esthetics (but not what you think)

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Whether you have sensitive, normal, or severely photo-aged skin, R.A. skin care has a cutting-edge peptide just for you. Learn more at ronda-alison.com Hello and welcome to ASCP-SETAC. I'm Ella Cresment, a licensed aesthetician, certified organics skin care formulator, and content contributor for associated skin care professionals. I am Maggie Stasek, licensed aesthetician and ASCP's education program manager. And today's shout out is to Deborah LaPort. Thank you for your support and especially thank you for listening to the podcast. So today we have like a very interesting topic. I wanted to bring it to the table because I think it's important. So you know I run that group of aestheticians for Colorado, the Colorado group. And every day I check to see who's requested membership because they have but parameters on there just to ensure the integrity of the group blah blah blah. Well one of the requests came from this group and I thought oh this is very interesting. It's the aesthetician's perspectives and practices study. Heather, are you out and heard about them? No, haven't heard. Neither had I. So I went to work. I tried to look at their profile on Facebook. It wasn't a lot of information. Some messages none had been returned. But I know sometimes when you're a group or a business or something they don't always come in super easy. So finally I was able to find some research. It's actually a study that was started in September 2021 and it's going to go through September 2023. So I'm saying this just in case you want to be part of this. It's from the Indiana University and that's funded by the Eunice Kennedy Shriver National Institute of Child Health and Human Development. So very interesting. You can reach out and we will give you the the website address if you want. But let's talk about it. I wanted to read this in its entirety so that we are not going to leave anything out. And then I want to talk through it with you Maggie because I want to have some thoughts on it and invoke some curiosities. Not just on the content of this study but the aesthetics industry and our responsibilities. So let's talk about it. When you go to their website it talks about the project abstract and what this means. And so it's a little bit of a long read but I'm going to do it in its entirety. The abstract is on sexual and reproductive health. It is critical public health issue among young people in the United States, especially as it relates to sexually transmitted infections. Campaigns promoting sexually transmitted infection preventions, contraceptive use and other preventative health behaviors have demonstrated positive impacts among young people. However, given the massive increase in sexually transmitted infection rates, there is critical need to further these efforts in new and creative venues. This is an important part new and creative venues to better reach important priority populations. More than 85 percent of women in the US aged 18 to 24 and almost as many young men participate in some method of pubic hair removal like barbershops beauty salons and they may cultivate a safe culturally relevant space for estheticians in parentheses skincare professionals to deliver interventions. People who seek pubic hair removal services, especially young women and men and sexual gender minorities may be at higher sexual reproductive health risk. Accordingly, pubic hair removal salons may exemplify novel and innovative venues for healthy promotion risk reduction interventions. Little is known about this setting and even less is known about estheticians and how these professionals may be engaged in possible intervention efforts. In previous work, the sexual health in estheticians or SHE, she, as an acronym where you might see, study, we found that esthetician noticed clients possible health concerns such as skin cancer, herpes, genital wards, and evidence of physical abuse. Estheticians interactions with clients often turn towards sex-related discussions, creating spaces where otherwise taboo conversations take place with ease, and where estheticians provide resources and support. Accordingly, estheticians may be ideal intervention facilitators, however, how those intervention components may look will depend on additional formative research. Moreover, many estheticians in our initial study did not serve men. Given that men engage in pubic hair removal and gay bisexual men especially, this is an important population on which to focus. The objective of this proposed project is to build on the sexual health and esthetician study focusing on estheticians who serve men and determine the acceptability of slash feasibility for salon-based interventions. We will accomplish this objective, employing an exploratory, sequentially mixed method design via three specific aims. We will replicate the sexual health and esthetician study with estheticians who primarily serve men, including gay bisexual men, to assess the transferability of sexual health and esthetician study, aim one findings to a large national sample of licensed esthetician who perform pubic hair removal. Three, triangulate findings from the sexual health and esthetician study, aim one and aim two, using focus groups to determine specific components in forming the development of salon-based esthetician facilitated, health-related intervention for young people. Information from this research will lead to the development and pilot testing of mutually beneficial salon-based health promotion and risk reduction intervention. Example R21, this is designed through a community-engaged research process and randomized control trial evaluation. Such innovative efforts are sorely needed to address significant sexual reproductive health issues that disproportionately affect young people and sexual gender minorities. So, basically, this study is intent to take a sampling, the opinion of the perspective of, that's why it's called the esthetician perspective and practice studies. It's a sister to the she study and they want to understand if there is a role for estheticians to intervene in a certain, basically, certain types of waxing surfaces. First of all, this is very, very interesting. I think at the onset, the people putting together this study are very misinformed. Amen. And as a whole, this is wonderful. Yes, estheticians can intervene. But to say that estheticians are ill-informed or that they don't often perform services on men or that conversation is very focused on sex or taboo topics, it's like, who wrote this? I mean, so ridiculous. But yeah, there should be intervention programs for anybody in the beauty space, not just estheticians, to step in and there are. I don't think it's broad strokes. It may be a salon has a program or a state has a program, you know? Right, absolutely. I think what's interesting is getting the perspectives. Step one. So for those of you who are listening, who are waxers and very specific waxers, you might want to reach out again, send me an Instagram DM. Slide into my DMs or email, get connected at ASCPskincare.com and we'll get you that website address. But to me, there's a lot of layers. The same thing for you when I read the front of this, I was like, we don't always, it would imply as if there's some kind of unprofessionalism because we're not like, maybe it's more comfortable, but also it's kind of awkward, especially the first couple of times, potentially, for either practitioner or the client. It's almost like they're saying that estheticians are in some kind of like risque business and that all day long, we're waxing people's private parts and I don't know. They don't present estheticians as professionals is how I read it. I felt the same way, very similar. So maybe it's a good opportunity for anyone who wants to participate to set that straight, give them the perspective that they're obviously missing. Because this is piggybacking on another study, I'm curious who those other people were. I'm thinking in my head, there was probably someone who had a waxing experience, maybe they're very familiar with their waxer, maybe they do talk about waxers and they're sitting around a table going, I've got a good one for us and this is going to be great because it's talking about health and this is just general speaking, but I can see that happening, could you? Yeah, totally, yeah. Hold that thought. We'll be right back. DMK is the world leader in paramedical skin revision education with certification programs designed to give licensed professionals a thorough understanding of the skin and an in-depth study of the DMK concept of remove, rebuild, protect, maintain. Created by the botanical visionary Dine Montague King, DMK offers skin revision training and education for all ages, skin conditions and ethnicities. In more than 35 countries, harnessing the body's innate healing mechanisms to change the health of the skin. Learn more at dineimking.com. That's d-a-n-n-e-m-k-i-n-g.com. Okay, here we go. Let's get back to the podcast. I was telling you earlier about experience that I had in school and it was so uncomfortable. And it would just have to do with like a facial. But basically, someone came in. They filled up. We welcomed them like we were taught and when we went to school, the place we went to was off the beaten path. So we'd enough and get clients off of the street. We mostly did on each other. If I'm being honest, so we caught someone off the street. They came in. They wanted to have a service. And she filled our paperwork and her teacher comes to check and she goes, oh no, we can't do here or anything on you because you have a cold sore. And you have a cold sore. And I remember thinking, oh my gosh, the client was uncomfortable. I was uncomfortable. Everyone was uncomfortable. So with your, I'm remembering that. How I felt in that moment. And imagining, I don't know what this expectation of, are we leaving pamphlets in the room? Are we going to be like, have you ever thought about? Oh my gosh, I just remember this teacher coming in and saying something. So what is our scope of practice? What's your thoughts? You worked in a school too. Yeah. I mean, that's a good question. And obviously, we don't diagnose. It's not our place to say, you know, you have XYZ. I'm seeing it. And sorry, no treatment for you today. But certainly, you can address a situation with tact and say, I don't know, it depends on the situation. It depends on the client. Have you never seen that client before? Are they a long time client? But there's a way to say, you know, I'm seeing something that I feel I shouldn't treat you today. And based on what I'm seeing, I'm recommending you go and see your doctor. Or, you know, once this clears up, then let's get back to your regular waxing sessions. If we're specifically talking about pubic hair removal as it's written in this study, I mean, most definitely, you could see some things that you should not proceed, whether it's yeast infection or herpes or who knows what. So you don't want to say, you've got a yeast infection. We're not diagnosing that rate. It's not for us to recognize that and call it out on the client. But to say, you know, things aren't looking right. And I think you need to see your doctor before we proceed with the service. And that is the really hard. Yeah. Having those uncomfortable conversations, but still being able to encourage those client relations. So it happened to me where I had, this is crude, but I had this client. And it was in like the back area. There was a built up of yeast. And so I mentioned it to her, hey, you might want to get that checked out. Never saw her again. And I don't blame her. I would be modified like thinking now back. I would be modified, but I was in the moment thinking I can't see back there. She can't see back there. You know, anyways, the other thing that that brings up then is the responsibility. Again, like I said, I'm curious what their suggestions will be. Maybe they're wanting our perspective, but what would be their suggestions? Are they wanting us to look and say something? Are they wanting us to go, have you ever thought about condoms or what's your, you know, is this turning into like, are you on prep or whatever? What is this turning into? Listen, no wax till you've had a blood test. Yeah. Or like, have, you know, are we suggestive? Are we telling or we directing? I'm not sure. But I mean, that would totally change our scope of practice as estheticians. If they are suggesting that we are telling our clients, you've got X, Y, and Z, if we're if we're telling. And you know, you mentioned like pamphlets in the room that would completely change scope of practice as estheticians and experience and experience. Yeah. And I think that's not what we do. You know, I mean, even though we have people derobbing and we are waxing intimate areas, this is a service. It's not a medical treatment. So I wonder if they're wanting us not necessarily to diagnose, but to warn of the potential. Hey, you don't have anything lucky, but you could. So have you thought about, did you get that impression? No, not necessarily. I mean, I'm not sure entirely what they are aiming for other than they want information, obviously. And they're thinking estheticians can provide it. Yeah. I know that this is also a topic that in a parallel, not that there's like super close related, but when we're talking about outside of our scope, do you want it waxed? Do you want it? Do you want facial? You know, those are what we do. I know that particularly in some states where you have continuing education requirements for licensure, like Florida, a lot of states have it, but Florida and Texas particularly have a requirement that in those CEOs, there is a section usually about 50 minutes required to address human trafficking and things to look for and such. So now we're that scope of practice changed. Yeah. And I think that that's great. I think that's something every state should be implementing. And I know that like for massage therapy, that's a thing, but they also have nationwide testing where with aesthetics, every state is different. But I've had situations where a man has brought a woman in for waxing and then insisted on sitting in the treatment room, which for me as the technician is very awkward, very weird. And it really almost felt like sexual. Why is this man insisting on watching like a Brazilian wax? And I'm not saying it was a human trafficking situation, but it's things like that where I feel like estheticians are aware in their seeing things. And it's an opportunity to assist somebody if they're in trouble. So what did you do? That man is not allowed in the treatment room. Absolutely. So having policies in place, I was on a panel and they were discussing a lot of different topics and the safety seems to be a mean theme on there, the safety of the guests and then also the safety of the practitioner. So setting a boundary like that I think is important. But there's also in Colorado, particularly for beauty professionals, at one point they were trying to mandate that we become like mandatory reporters for domestic abuse. And it didn't pass that I'm aware of, but that's another thing that we see. So this is where my mind went when we're reading this abstract. I wish I understood more of what they need. But what are your thoughts on that, on domestic violence or? You know, same thing because you know, as an esthetician, you may be seeing things like bruises or things that put up a red flag. As far as being a mandatory reporter, I don't know if that should be a requirement or not. But we become very intimate with our clients. So seeing something like that where you can assist that person, sometimes you have clients too or just people in general who do not want to be helped. So if you're forced to report them, I don't know if that puts them in a worse position than they were. But what if you get it wrong? Or what if you get it wrong entirely? Yeah, I don't know. I guess you'd have to have a training and we don't have continuing education requirements here. So it'd be very, very hard at any rate. If this is something that you're interested in, providing your opinion for the esthetician's perspective and practices study, reach out, seek them out and give your opinion. The study goes through September 20th of 2023. So time is of the essence. Let them know and let us know because we're very curious. Listeners, we really want to hear from you. What are your thoughts on health promotion, slash works, reduction in aesthetics? What's your perspective? Be sure to let us know, comment on our social media posts or send us an email at getconnected at ascpskincare.com. We want to know all the details. In the meantime, thank you for listening to ASCP ST Talk. For more information on this episode or for ways to connect with Maggie or myself, or to learn more about ASCP, check out the show notes and stay tuned for the next episode of ASCP ST Talk.