Ep. 108: Bear Grease [Render] - Death of the Author

Hello, this is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor, writer, director, swimmer and I love films. Come join me on my podcast Films To Be Buried With. Where I invite a special guest over, I tell them they've died, then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant the most of them. What films scared them the most? What made them cry the most? Et cetera. At the end, they pick a film to go in their coffin and take to heaven. Life, death and movies. Listen to films to be buried with, with Brett Goldstein on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. FHF's brand new FOB Binoharnus is a fully enclosed, forward operating binoharnus that serves as a secure location for your binoculars and other critical gear during your outdoor pursuits. This harness is a feature rich American-made product with magnetic closures, laser cut molly attachment panels and more. What's more is it comes with our new airframe shoulder harness and wind call pouch. Get ahead of your season planning and check out the industry's best binoharnus for real. This is the industry's best binoharnus only at FHFGear.com. My name is Clay Newcomb and this is a production of the Bear Grease podcast called the Bear Grease Render where we render down, dive deeper and look behind the scenes of the actual Bear Grease podcast. Presented by FHFGear, American-made, purpose-built hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. Welcome to the Bear Grease podcast everyone. Take one. We have a great group of people here today. The Bear Grease Render podcast is what this is, where we talk about and discuss the past documentary style Bear Grease podcast. I was asked recently why I would need to tell people that and I told the people that people come in by the droves. Yes, they do buy the droves. They come in by the droves and we have to continue to tell people what they're listening to. Even more complicated now in the Bear Grease feed we have Brent Reeves, this country live podcast. Living large, man. That's so much fun. It's some good feedback too. It's really cool. You've done three episodes. What were the episodes about? The first one was just an introduction to me and just kind of like who I am. People would have been a little more in depth than what they would have got just listening to me ramble on here. The second one I think it was about, man, you got to tell me. I'm a proud one. The second one was also a little bit about more about me, about the stuff that I told in my pockets and why I do that. The last one, the most recent one that's out right now is about turkey hunting mentors, mentors that influenced me growing up in some lessons I learned from those folks and really good and a lot of fun. A lot of you probably would have heard this country life with Brent Reeves, but it's usually about 20 minutes long. It's a monologue. It's a little bit of comedy, a little bit of instruction, a lot of fun. It's light-hearted. A tear every now and then. A tear. We'll screw down your cheek every now and then. The way that I have described it, and maybe I've described it on this podcast before, if anybody had fault with the Bear Greece podcast, they could say that it's like a heavy listen. You have to work at it. I remember when we first did Bear Greece. That's exhausting. One of the guys, my dear friends at Meteor was like, I mean, it's like a pretty heavy listen. You actually have to, it's not just easy listening music. No kinee-ji here. I would say this country life is easy listening. Not that it's light, but- See the kinee-ji podcast? It's like the kinee-ji of Bear Greece. You're here with some Weiland Jay-ol there, maybe, but no kinee-ji. I think if Steve Rannilla is the Julia Childs- The Campfire. The Campfire. Per CBS. Brent Reeves is the Garrison Keller of the Wilderness Bot Gap. Okay, tell us who Garrison Keller is. Garrison Keeler. Garrison Keeler. There's a pronunciation. Oh, there's someone else in the family. He did a, he did a, he did a radio show called the Prairie Home Pain. Yeah, we're all the Lake Wobagon. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's- All the women are strong, all the men are good looking, and all the children are above average. Yeah, that's right. Yes. Well, this country life has been really great. So- Brent. Thanks, buddy. Good job, man. What did you tell the guy that asked you what the next week's podcast was going to be about? I told him it was a two-parter. The first part was Nanyo and the second part was Biz. He was trying to get some inside information. You can go to prison for that. Absolutely. So we don't know what the next episode is. I know what it's about. It's going to be good. Yeah. So the guests we have today, we have Ben Lagrone, who has been here several times. Welcome back. Long time friend of mine. Former history teacher. Yeah. Current childbirth. We're laughing. That would be like if I said I'm a podcaster and all y'all went- I just tell people I work for the internet. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. Balance families. Yeah. Great. And to your left is my wife, Dr. Misty Nukele. There it is. Dang it. All right. Misty. And I think we need to clarify. Not that I care and not that you ever need to call me Dr. Misty Nukele again, but there's a lot of people on the internet right now that think that Clay- Good job, Clay. Got the PhD. You made it look so easy. So Misty made a post the other day and what threw it off was the picture. We were at her defense of her dissertation and we were there with our whole family and I took like a selfie. Big prominent. I was the one holding the camera out and so I'm up close and the family's back a little bit and that was the only picture we had. And so Misty posted that and said I got my PhD, I finished it and the internet lit up and my phone lit up. The people like man, that's so great Clay. Yeah. We had no idea that you were even working on it. Here's a prime example of how people look at that. When I was, I can't remember what Grady was in, but probably all of them. But at least once a year a teacher would give you a test that said, okay, follow these directions. Start at the beginning, read them all the way through. You probably did this Ben and then do what the directions say. Well, like 15, 20 minutes in, I'm working. I read about half the directions and I'm working like my behind off it. I try looking three quarters of everybody's sitting there staring at the ceiling looking after one. I hated it when they did this. Or getting up and walking out of the room. I'm like, Kelly, I got to hurry up. And if I just read the last line was like, do the first three problems, then you can go but I would do that. Yeah. So I always felt like it was a punishment for people who were, you know, motivated and driven. Like those that I always felt like the teacher was trying to trick like to say read all the directions first and then it was a mistake to do all the work. That's the reason I can't go to the Ikea store. I'm not reading those directions, buddy. You can get lost. Well, we'll come back to this. I just need to get through introductions here. I want to talk to you about your PhD and what it's in. But to your left, we have coming back from, it's been a while since he's been here. Oh, gee. Dr. Malachi. That's right. That's one of the original Bear Gries. We're at Never-Jutting. Rinder people. Oh, gee. It's good to be here. Doctors everywhere. Doctors. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a schedule about Malachi. Like his people only let him come here like twice a year. He's super important. And you have to get on the schedule to get him here. But it's good to have you, Malachi. Let's talk about August when we end. Yeah. Yeah. 2025. And I'm still interested in a boat partner. Hey, my boys are getting older that I would consider it more than a minute. Oh, okay. Back on the table. My son is in love with the outdoors. And so let's talk in November, 2026. November, 2026. Okay. Okay. All right. That's cool. That's cool. And Josh Landbridge, Spillmaker, who is now a boat owner and a captain. That's right. Captain Landbridge of the SS Landbridge. What kind of boat did you get? It is a trout fishing boat specially designed for our white river tail waters. 21 foot long, 48 inch bottom, 72 inch wide beam with a jet motor on the back. Nice. It's pretty slick. So what brand of boat is it? It is an AAF. So AAF was a brand of boats that was made in Mountain Home. Back in the early 2000s, late 90s, early 2000s. Did your cool trout boat come with that flat bill hat? Nope. Yeah, you just got that on. Hat sold separately. Josh always has the coolest hat. He does. It's super jealous. It's true. He looks good. It does. Yeah. I got to do something. I wear a beard because what's under the beard is not that great looking and I wear a hat just to cover as much as possible. There you go. Well, hey, very nicely colored for Nade. I asked Josh about taking his boat down to the big rivers in the south for us to go cat fishing. Sure. And he said... He said he'd do it. Of course. Really? Heck yes. Oh, we're in, man. Hey, someone else got a boat and that's Bear John. Yeah, our son got a boat. We sometimes talk about how Bear uses my Facebook account to purchase and sell items and all my friends think that my... Because he doesn't have Facebook. Misty's really in the frog-gigging right there. Yeah, a really in front and he's constantly like selling machine parts. And it's kind of funny because the boat, I don't think has gone out into the water yet, but it's been the focal point of a lot of activity at the Nukem farm, including with your son, Josh. Yeah. Almost every other night, there's a group of five or six boys here, our young men who are working on something on that boat. And we really thought it was going out on the water this weekend and we came home and they were supposed to have taken it out and the boat's just hanging out there. Bear told me today that the battery was dead. Yeah, there's always a reason. I think that they enjoy working on... I mean, it was a boat that came without a motor, then they had to fix the motor that he got on Facebook Marketplace. Now they've got to charge the motor. I don't know, it's kind of... It's a trolling motor. It's just got a trolling motor on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's big. A lot of boat activity, Malick. I'll tell you better get in while it's getting good, buddy. By 26, you'll be... Maybe I'll sell you my boat. If you bought Apple stock back in like... Nah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's like where you're going to be. I wouldn't be on the podcast. It's like that, buddy. You better watch out because, because, hey, I want to go ahead and make this public declaration. Brent Reeves and I plan to become commercial fishermen. Oh, really? Really? Oh, it's coming. Yeah. That's happening, huh? Or at least expert cat fishermen. I am an expert cat fisherman. I'm not saying that I'm not. But I've kind of been delayed in my development for the last 20 years, because I've been pursuing other activities. You mean like there's a cat, a professional cat fisherman trapped inside your body? Yes. That hasn't been let out yet. Well, he was out when I was in high school. But he got put back in when I moved to the mountains, kind of out of the big, just when I moved up here, I don't know. There's no cat fishing up here is not as good. But big plans for me and Brent to become professional cat fishermen. And on our maiden voyage a couple of weeks ago, we caught a giant. Gigantor. Yeah. It was huge. Yeah. That's a 20 pound fee. Probably was. Well, you said 200. You said 20 pound. 20 pound. 20 pound. 20. Well, not tell you. Now you're proud of that. You're a good judge. And you are a doctor. You could have been closer to do. Hey, you should. Somewhere between the way of 200. When you have a fishing buddy, I think there's a lot of character in what people, the world, is just witnessed that I underestimated the way to that fish. Oh, yeah. Trying to be honest. Yeah, you always say, oh, we're estimate bears about 30%. Well, that's the truth. But that's bears, we're talking catfish. Catfish. So anyway, we're big into the boat world. And they're going to continue to get bigger. Um, we, uh, what were the other things on your, on your list? Well, I get a lot of questions on my Instagram about banjo and whether or not we ever sold them. Oh, okay. Right. And I just, The mule. Yeah, I felt like it'd be good to update everyone. Um, much like I predicted Clay did not sell him despite his strong commitments to do so. Instead, banjo went to boarding school. Oh, so, so. He's not, I believe I still, I believe. First of all, Catillion. To give people a little bit of history back. Okay. Is he the best mule I've got? I trained her. She's seven years old. I got her when she was 18 months old. I trained her in the six, six week period. And I, I trained her myself and she's a finished really nice mule. Worth a lot. I had a guy come to my house a few days ago and asked me what I would sell her for. And, uh, and he was a mule trainer. And he said, no amount of money. Well, I, I told you about it. I said, you don't, I said you don't have enough money to buy that mule. And I was being serious. So I'm telling you that because this is in connection. So, so banjo is, is he's full brother and I got him with the intent of training him myself. My life was quite a bit different when I got banjo in terms of the amount of time that I could spend with a mule. And so I kind of slow trained him. Okay. What, what, what I did with Izzy in six weeks, I did in like a year with him, which is not good. It's not good practice. You know, there was just rather than riding him five days a week, I wrote him once every 10 days or maybe once every 10 days, I'd ride him three days in a row and I might go for a month without messing with him and then coming back and messed with him. And so last summer, I started riding him and got bucked off twice. Okay. So he, he scared me. Um, and it was my fault, 100% my fault. And I really felt like this mule had a lot of potential. He was really level headed. He was a flashy mule and I'm going to tell you why it's for sure a bonafide like stamped and approved flashy mule, a man that I'm going to tell you about in a minute, told me this, um, Brent. And, um, so I, I asked my dad, I asked all y'all, you know, I think I'm just going to sell him because I, I, you know, pretty much a bucking mule can be like a biting dog. Like if your dog bites you, you don't really ask many questions. You get rid of the dog. Um, a mule can be that way with certain people. I asked an old mule man, uh, Lloyd Holly over here in Prairie Grove. And I said, man, I got a mule. He's bucked me off twice. I think it's my fault. I think he's a good mule. And he said, get rid of that sucker. And, but I just couldn't quite do it. And so my friend Michael Lanier, he was my squirrel hunting mentor and a good mule man. He introduced me to a guy in another part of Arkansas that is an Amish guy, mule trainer. And in the mule world, the Amish are legendary. The Amish are legendary for being mule trainers. And so for a, for a very good price, I took banjo over to, to this guy's place. And the idea was he would keep him for 30 days for a certain price. And he would ride him 30 times or, you know, training, training for 30 days. Every day, every day. And, um, and so me and my uncle go over there to, to, and it was fascinating to me. We pull up to this place and I thought maybe the guy might have like two or three animals. He was riding for people. This is like a, this is like a business man. That he had probably 20 to 25 horses and mules and stalls, just one after the other. And he and his son and his son in law, and I think another son, I think there are four of them that I mean road and train those mules and horses every day. Wow. This is what they wake up and do. And while we're there, um, these people are very nice people, uh, then like this, not big conversationalists necessarily, but I'm trying to sap everything I can out of this small interaction when I'm dropping banjo off at training camp, you know, and while I'm sitting there, we tie banjo up and there's all these mules and horses and banjo's kind of excited and he's never been in an environment like this. He's kind of pulling at the lead rope and amped up and, and I see two things that happen just while we're standing there in like 10 minutes that would be like, if that had happened to me, that had been a big deal. I watched him put a, I'm kind of, I'm probably boring everybody. I watched him put a horse on a treadmill. One of the young guys brought this horse over that you could tell had never been ridden and was just bugged out and, and they're trying to get it up on this horse treadmill. And that's a thing. They're pulling on it. They're pulling on it and trying to get it up in there and the, and I'm talking to the dad. And he, while in conversation to me, just walks over like never takes eye contact off of me and gets right behind this horse and puts a lariat rope on one side of the treadmill, runs the lariat rope around the back of this horse that's freaking out. Like, and he's still talking to me just like, well, yeah, we got all this stuff. Runs it around the back of the horse and threw another, or back, back of the horse through on a, back through the treadmill and pulls the rope so that the rope cinches down and pushes the horse onto the treadmill. And he takes the tail of that lariat rope and just pop, pops that horse and it just jumps on that treadmill just like it was born to do it. Yeah. Well, he had done that before. Yeah. It was a beautiful. Trunks. Yeah. It was a beautiful trick. I mean, it, the first training in the field training is all about confidence. And I mean, that horse knew that this guy wasn't going to take anything. And, and, and then directly after that, we're still in the same conversation. One of the young boys walks up and he's got a little, a young cult saddled up. And this cult, you can tell it's just hardly ever had a saddle on him. And he puts a saddle on him and ties him up to a, to a stall right there. And the horse starts pulling against the lead, pulling against it. Like he's, he's, he's not used to being tied up. And he starts bucking and kicking and flips over on the ground, feet in the air, just rolling on the ground. I mean, it's like chaos. And that, that boy never batted an eye and just sat there within about two feet of that horse. The man never breaks conversation. Like I'm like, does he need our help? But get out of here. And he lets that horse do its thing. It flops for a minute, stands up. The boy never, I mean, I'm sure she didn't smile. He didn't grin. He's blood pressure didn't go up. And then he takes the horse off of the, off of the unties it and walks it out. And he didn't ride the horse, but he just starts training. I mean, just like every day they say, that's where Banjo's out. So, and when I was leaving, the man said to me, he said, banjo be on that treadmill by the time you guys leave. I didn't see him put him on, but he was just like, it starts down. How long's he been there? Well, he's there for a month. And I talked to him and he said he's really happy with what Banjo's doing. He says he's not bucked. He's not kicked. He said he really wants to do what they want him to do. He thinks he's got a lot of potential. He thinks that he told me he needs another 30 days. So I'm going to leave him there another 30 days. It's like a chiropractor. And I went through the whole thing with him about, you know, well, what if I took him and he said, well, how much time will you have to ride him? And I said, well, I don't know, probably not that much. And he said, well, you need to leave him here. And I said, deal. And then I said, Misty, I said, what will this animal be worth when he comes back from you after being under saddle for 60 days? And he said, Clay, he said, that's a pretty flashy mule. He's got white feet. Whoa. He's speaking to your heart right there. He literally said that. He literally said that. And he told me that they took a mule like banjo to a big sale. The other day and sold him for $5,500. And he said, if I rode him for a year after I get him back from them, he said it might be worth $10,000. There you go. $10,000? I like that. I should have sent the buck and horse a mile over my neck. It's kind of like banjo's got a PhD. It's kind of like banjo's got a PhD. Yeah. Yeah. Banjo got his own PhD. Banjo's getting the PhD for those boys. Okay. That was a big story. That's a good one. That's a good one. I'm glad to hear that banjo's in such, you know, I think I envisioned it as a little bit. I envisioned it a little differently. Straight, maybe. I feel like that's what we're in. That's what we're going on. It feels a little, yeah, like I didn't realize banjo was in this much trouble, you know, that he goes to a place like that. But it helps me. Yeah. It helps me say. I think about sending some of the kids though. Yeah. I've got a couple names I could add to the list of suggestions. I love those guys so much. My question is did the treadmill have one of those screens with a trainer's face on it and talking to me? You know what they do? You know what they do? That's your head, right? The horse is running on the treadmill and it's got big sides on it and they throw tarps over the mule. They get up on the treadmill and sit on the mule while it's running on the treadmill. Like on a mule that's never been ridden. Just because it can't get away. It can't fight it. It can't fight. It's gotten up. Is it an electric treadmill? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. It's like, what do they call that? I mean, it's a, the mule's running. Therapy. What are they? And it, it, I mean, and by the time they're done, I mean, the mule like doesn't care. He's just like, well, I guess people can get on my back now. So we had a, a, a, a interesting two episodes of the Bear Greece podcast that just came out about, we call it our Conman series. It's good. It was, it, this all started. Steve Rinello is actually the one who told me about the book, The Education of Little Tree. Did you ever heard of it before? Mm-mm. No. Had anyone? Uh-uh. Jessica. Jessica read it in junior high because she's- Wow. Yeah, that's just- Junior high. Really? Your wife, Jessica. Oh, like independently. It wasn't like the assignment. No, I was in class. It was either junior high school. She read it in class. She's a literature major, but she did it in high school, huh? Yeah. And that, but then she didn't know the backstory because she's like, yeah, I didn't really care for that book. But when I told her about the author, she's like, that is really fascinating. Mm-mm. Yeah. So she read it. Had you ever heard of it, Malaga? No, never. Yeah. Yeah. I, I had never heard of it. And I think that it was on its way to becoming a book like where the Red Fern Grows, kind of an American classic adolescent book, and then all this stuff with, uh, Asa came out and it kind of, it put a, put a damper on that. It wasn't until 2007 that Oprah Winfrey took off the book off her book list. Really? Yeah. It was on her book list for years and years. Wow. Yeah. Originally when it first came out and was, was, was people liked it, even after the New York Times article came out. She gave it on there. There was a period of the time when people just didn't know. Okay. It just, it just, the internet was hardly there. So it was in the mid 90s. Yeah. It wasn't, it, it took a while for the world to kind of catch up to the book. And that's when Oprah Winfrey took it off. I tried to get Oprah here today. She didn't respond to the Bear Gree's invite. Wow. No, she didn't. Oh, sometimes these invites come out last minute. So maybe next time I was a little more cloned. Like most of them. He opened it up with a hudow call. That's called, got the phone hung up. Hello there. This is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer, a director, a plumber, and I love films. Come join me on my podcast, Films To Be Buried With, where I invite a special guest over. I tell them they've died. We get to choose how they would like to die. And then we discuss their life through the films that meant the most to them. Questions like, what film made you cry the most? What film scared you the most? Et cetera. At the end of the episode, they get to choose one film that they wish to be put in their coffin with them to take across to the other side. Films, movies, death. Previous guests include Sharon Stone. Andy Osho. Pat Anosbo. Barry Jenkins. 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So we have already talked about the first episode, but the second episode with a saccader. Who would like to start? Who would like to start? Would it be too early to jump in with some of the just clarifying? Yeah, go ahead. All right. I don't want to be mean to Clay, but I actually after... I got my head on the swivel. Yeah, exactly. Didn't any of you find the pronunciation of the KKK? I think that's where we need to start. How would you say, Brent, don't say KKK. Say the full... Say the full... Say the... What, each one of them is radical? Ku Klux Klan. Right? Anyone else say it differently? I do. I ask Garra. What are you saying? The Ku Klux Klan. You do too, Dr. Malika Nichols. Klux Klan. Ku Klux Klan. It is Ku Klux Klan. Most definitely Ku Klux Klan. Yeah. Yeah. And once you listen to the podcast, Clay said... After recording the podcast, he said, Hey, say... He basically did the same thing I just did to you. And he said, say what that? How would you say KKK? And I said, Ku Klux Klan and he goes, oh, I'm gone. Josh, you say it, Ku? I don't say it that way, but I grew up in my mind hearing it that way. And I think I was a teenager before I realized, I think I saw it in print. I was like, oh, it's actually Ku Klux Klan, not Ku Klux Klan. Ku Klux Klan has like something from Dr. Suspo. But it makes sense on your tongue. It's almost like they made a mistake. Yeah. Like later, I'm like, oh, I've got that. Ellen. I've got one of many. Symmetry. Yeah. So... Now that we've got that on... Now that we've got that on... Now that we've got that on... I thought this was fascinating. Like on so many levels, I thought this podcast was fascinating. As some... You know, I think one of the most fascinating parts of it is that the book is blacklisted and I haven't heard of it and none of my students have read it. That to me, when I just listening... Yeah, listening to the podcast, I hadn't heard of the book. So I like to put this kind of stuff in. And hearing like when I heard the different excerpts from the book and what they described, it would be the type of book that we would love to read at the school. But it's never on any of the list. Like when you look at... When you Google blacklisted books. No, well, I mean, I don't Google blacklisted books. That's not what I'm going for. But it's just interesting. It's never on a recommended list. Yeah. None of our... Over the years, none of our literature teachers have ever brought this up as a good book to read, a good conversation to have. I think it's fascinating that Jessica read it and they didn't have a broader conversation about the fact that this man would have a little fraud. Quite a few people reached out to me and said they had read the book and didn't know the background. And didn't know the... Yeah. And to me, that's wild. That would be a fascinating background to discuss with high school kids, especially. I mean, I think... Or college students. But that brings up the biggest question of the whole thing is, does it matter? Does it matter? Malachi, does it matter that he wrote a great book and that he was this guy? I mean, yes and no. But I was rooting for him in a sense of like to hope that he changed at the end, you know? Because I think just looking at people when like... It's hard to change when you get older, right? And to see a guy, potentially see a guy who was so distraught with the world. And so, you know, racist, that potentially he would change. So you were thinking maybe... I was thinking maybe this guy was... Yeah. You know, he changed. Like a redemptive story. And he like produced this great work that was always in him, right? So from that perspective, I think I was rooting for him. I mean, I think it doesn't take away the fact that it's a great book, but I do think you have to... I do think it requires a read and then a discussion, right? About the author. Because I can't remember if he was in the first or second episode, you... The first or second episode, you kind of ask like, would you read this to your kids, right? And I think to me, I think I would when they're older, to have that conversation about like, can people who do bad stuff produce good things? Right? That's a deep question, especially regarding race, that you yourself have to be resolved in to have. And I think it's a great conversation to have with kids who will be faced with, you know, people whose values or the way they live their life is different than you, that they might produce something that's good. And do you value that or do you shun it away just because of their history? It's... I don't have the right answer right now, but I mean, I think it's a great, it's a great exercise to have, and it puts you in an uncomfortable position, right? I think at the end, the guy was crazy. Yeah, I hear 100%. Yeah. Well, the hard part, or not the hard part, but the question then becomes, to what level of scrutiny do we scrutinize everything? Because it's like, I can pick up this book right here. Well, pick up a book and name the author. Yeah. Is that author perfect? You know? Yeah. Did the author make mistakes? If you're picking up the Bible, then yes. That's about the old one. Yeah, I mean, so, then that means there's a gradient scale because ACE's life was so radical and the sentiment so egregious that we can say, well, for sure, it matters with this guy because of how egregious it was. But then the guy that cheated on his wife, maybe it's not that big a deal. I mean, I guess it's all just an example of some scandal. I guess I think what makes this a little bit different is that he stated it was semi-autobiographical. He lied. Yeah, just another lie. Yeah. He just, I mean, but it is an important one when you, I think it wouldn't matter to me if he just said this was a non-fiction book or this is a fiction book. Like if he just said this is the novel that kind of made up, then that wouldn't be very important. But the fact that he said this was like his life story that makes it, that is puzzling and makes you have to kind of jump to, okay, this guy was crazy. Yeah. And maybe that doesn't matter. Maybe that doesn't make the book less good. But poor guy, he was really crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think the value of it starts at page one and ends at the last page in that book. And you don't take it any further than that. So your big death of the author guy? If the end of that is the end of his, I'm trying to think how to phrase it, his participation in that, to me, stopped when, at the last period in the last page of that book. And I, if I, I will that guy, if I read that book and enjoy it, thank you for writing a book. Nothing else matters to me as far as he's concerned, as long as he's not affecting me or my friends or my family or something like that, which brings up another question. Does that, you know, if that book is successful like it was, does that adversely affect me or my family or my friends? You know, I don't, it'd be hard to correlate all that together. But as far as him as a human being, what I sat down and have a cup of coffee with him, no, would, could I read his book and enjoy it and end it with just that participation in that piece of his life that he wrote out on a piece of paper? Yeah, I can enjoy that. But the rest of it is immaterial to me, the way I look at it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I want to be real chatty Cathy here. At the same time though, does it, you know, he, his life's message was a massive injustice to a lot of people. Well, Asa Carter was, for sure. Yeah. The first Carter was. So we're just kind of acknowledging this guy was like two different people and. I think he was schizo. Yeah, I, I, that's what at the end, I thought that of the series that was probably the best. This guy is crazy. He's not, he's not well. Cause it wasn't just, it wasn't, oh, no, go ahead. I was just going to say it wasn't just a pin name. Right. I think that's what I can. Yeah. It wasn't just a pin name. Like he picked up and moved his life. Yeah. And like talk to Barbara Walters. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's a little straw. I mean, that's like some magician type of stuff, you know, like to live that type of life you, you got to be drinking something in your tea. You know what I mean? There's no, I tried to get the audio from his interview with Barbara Walters. And it, it doesn't exist. Yeah. Wow. I didn't hear you say this on the recording, but didn't she say that was the interview? She, so, so Dan T Carter, he, he told me that back in the 70s, the today show was so, it was one of the best shows that most watch shows in America, but they were still using tape. Tape. And literally would tape over the stuff they did. Oh wow. The week before, just like saving tape, you know, saving money. And so there were no, there's no archival footage of that interview, but they said that, that he, he, he wears cowboy hat and he like had his head down all the time. And he, he was kind of like, even when he looked back at it now, an expert would be like, yeah, that guy's probably lying. But at the time, it just wasn't, it wasn't seen. Didn't she say she regretted that? I want to say that she said that was one of the bigger regrets of her, her professional career, because perhaps she wasn't ever duped like that before. Right. Everybody she sat down with, you know, they may have lied to her, but at least they were who they said they were. And so yeah, the guy was, that's why it was interesting to me just, for no good reason. But the guy was, was just, he was super smart and was an actor and could tie stories together. I mean, he was kind of, and I don't want to use the word brilliant because it sounds like you're like, you, you, you'd like the guy. But he was, he was. Cunning and crafty. Yeah. Golly was he ever been what were you gonna say? Well, a couple of those. The first, almost like a technicality, and this is kind of hinted in the podcast that him having some apparently subconscious things that he respected about Cherokee culture, stuff like that, that's not as like contradictory to his like worldview as people might think it, not because he didn't write a book about a slave narrative and pretend that he was African American. Like, don't think he was, he could, uh, consciously do that, consciously do that. But says is a technicality is like sometimes people view like racists as just like this black or white thing. Right. If you're not. Yeah. Yeah. And, and actually I think that's actually one of the, the fact that people are more complex than that, to me is actually the danger and how you might, how, how you interact with people that do have some pretty messed up worldview. For instance, like people that I look at in my, my childhood that I kind of respected and knew and I look back, like it's not like I just reject wholesale everything about their, their character. Cause, but I look back and I see how messed up their views were on race. And I learned from that. And my point is like people are complex and you can, I think you can in one hand, like condemn something on the other hand be like, wow, that's interesting. But I, I think after studying history for some of years, I still baffled why we, we as in like society want to like, venerate people or just like condemn every part of them or why, why do people get so infatuated with talented writers and musicians? Like who said anybody has to like this guy just because he's a good writer. Cause obviously he's a good writer. Same thing in musicians like, I'll start watching a documentary about some musician that I like their music and I'm at half way into I'm like, I kind of can't stand this person like I would not hang out with them. Like I like their music, but I don't like anything about them as a person. And it, but it's just weird in us how we, how we try to put people on a pedestal just cause they're talented. Right. And you see that in history starting with George Washington, who was as human as all of us. He's got like this God like status in our culture, because people don't really know about his entire life. And when you study history, there's so much to take in you kind of are taught to categorize things pretty quickly. So you can just understand it quicker. And it's like, these are the social causes. These are the political causes. These are the economic causes. And these were the good guys. These were the bad guys. And that's just who they were. But when you really dive into history, read biographies, and stuff, you learn how complex people are. And sometimes you find people are actually pretty crazy at the end of it. And that might have been part of the driver of their just like massive output of productivity or whatever they were in, whether it's politics or art or whatever. But people are complex. That's good. I think the, what you said about musicians, like if we, and Malika, I'm not arguing with you. I'm the same way. I think I agree with what you said at the beginning. Like we, it does matter what the author believed and did with his life. It's important. It's not irrelevant. But at the same time, yeah, how many musicians do I like their music, but would really be deeply, deeply opposed to the values and lifestyle that they live? Like a lot. But I still would listen to their music and enjoy it. Yeah. And I think about you could apply it to like politics. There's a lot of politicians whose lifestyles do not match their voting patterns. And so a lot of people would vote for them because they like the way they vote. But then they find out how they live. And it's like, oh, yeah, that's different. Yeah. Actually, the opposite of what you say. And which one matters, how they vote, you know, and how much that aligns to how you would want to be represented in your government, in a representative government. Or their personal character. Exactly. Yeah. These are complex, difficult questions. Lambridge. You know, it's interesting. I actually had some of the same thoughts about about musicians and celebrities. I mean, I struggle sometimes with professional athletes. It's like that are venerated. Yeah. But really, they're just absolute dirtballs, you know, and because they have a skill. And at the same time, you can enjoy watching them play or you can enjoy listening to their music. When there's a sports game on, I only watch the good guys. Uh oh, I do not enjoy. Where's where's where's the one that doesn't have my exact value system. I blank them out in my mind as they play football. But but I think I would lean more toward the death of the author philosophy that I think that that you, you know, I think you can, I think it also depends on your, your worldview and perspective. Because I think there, there is, there are people who are very critical of everything that they see and hear. And you know, I remember when I was a kid, we boycotted everything. Because you know, and until I got older and realized like, there, there is stuff in the world that, that is not going to align with my values. However, you know, scripture talks about being in the world and not of the world. And so we have the opportunity to, to maneuver those things and still maintain the standards that we have. I can read this book and not violate my conscience or I can enjoy it. However, do I agree with, with Ace of Carter? Absolutely not. You know what I mean? The man was a cooke. But I think, I think if you're, if your perspective is right, you can read that book and you can identify things inside of it that are a beautiful because I think, you know, the prose that you read in, in the, and the, I've never read the book, but that you read the, the excerpts of on the podcast was so beautifully written and it paints a picture in your mind. But at the same time, you know, we can, we can also, you know, I think we have the ability to, you know, if you have a critical mind and ability to read that stuff, you know, can someone who has such a strong philosophy about certain things right and right like that and not, they're not be subversive or, or seditious, things going on behind there, even consciously or subconsciously that they put in there. Who knows? But I, I do appreciate it. And I think you can read it. You know what I mean? I think probably thousands of, when Oprah put it on her list, I'm sure thousands and thousands of people read it and liked it and, you know, didn't become racist. This guy must be a swale guy, right? I think I'm one of those people that, like when you're watching a movie, I, and if it, if it really impacts me, I go and research like the people who wrote it and who made it. And so I, first of all, I think I would not have been duped. Just had I known this book existed. I think I would have researched this guy. I think I would have. Well, in the early years, you couldn't have that. It's true. Yeah, it's true. But I think, you know, for me, like I do get really connected to who, and I don't abstain from watching them in sports, but I actually care a lot about that. The people behind the behind all these things. That, that matters a whole lot to me. Mainly just because I'm a, I'm curious, you know, and I'm interested in the person behind such a brilliant story. So I think for someone like me, this is like, what? This guy just totally lied and is completely different. It would have affected you beyond, and it would have affected you so much that you wouldn't have enjoyed the story. I don't know that if I wouldn't have enjoyed the story, but it certainly changes when you, when you read it. Sure. I thought it was really interesting when he actually interviewed the Native American people and they said, well, this is accurate, but this part of it here is not at all. Yeah, we would have never, and it was like, oh, okay. So he's kind of just writing like a southern guy who has observed some, some, I kind of thought that was a little nitpicky though. Really? Well, kind of like Steve said, he said nobody had problems with this book at all until we found out who the author was. You know, Steve said, go back to the 70s and see if any, anybody was saying that it was bad. Did they have any Native Americans interviewed in this episode about what they thought about it? That I don't really know, but I know that the world, and this wasn't coming from the Native American community, perhaps they had a response and I'm unaware of it, but you know, the world was venerating him as one of the greatest Native American writers in history. Pretty crazy. And so, I mean, you know, they weren't, I don't, and I don't know. Have they ever heard of Tecumseh? Tecumseh? Tecumseh? Yeah. Tecumseh. Tecumseh. I had a guy stop me the other day and say, Clay, it's not Tecumseh. It's Tecumseh. Oh, that sounds a lot better. Hello there. This is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer, a director, a plumber, and I love films. Come join me on my podcast, Films to Be Buried With, where I invite a special guest over. I tell them they've died. We get to choose how they would like to die, and then we discuss their life through the films that meant the most to them. Questions like, what film made you cry the most? What film scared you the most? Et cetera. At the end of the episode, they get to choose one film that they wish to be put in their coffin with them to take across to the other side. Films, movies, death. Previous guests include Sharon Stone, Andy Osho, Pat Anosworth, Barry Jenkins, Mark Frost, the co-creator of Twin Peaks. 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What do you guys think about me reading excerpts from books? Like when you're listening to the podcast, do you go, oh gosh, I feel more connected to it. I can say I haven't read the book, but I'll just do it on audiobook. Just on, yeah, with just me reading. Some people say you're read that, I'm like, yeah, I'll just audiobook. Sometimes I just, you know, when I'm making these podcasts, I'm just trying to find a way to tell the story. And part of this was convincing people who hadn't read the book that it was a good book. I mean, that was what I was trying to do because I believed it was a good book. What I found interesting was the whole thing about making money. It was almost like, I mean, he obviously never admitted that he thought he was wrong, but he eventually kind of gave up. It was almost like, lost this war that I've devoted my life to. I'm just going to go make some money. I didn't find that very shocking. Like, that kind of makes sense. I think the most shocking thing is the extent he went to to sell a book to like literally con America. And it was, it's pretty twisted, but also kind of hilarious. Maybe they can win, when Elon Musk took over Twitter and they're like, this, everybody thought he was going to fire everybody and these two random young guys got boxes and they started walking down the street near the office and fooled all these journalists and just saying they got fired. They started tweeting and writing about all these firings and they were just totally made it up. Some is entertaining about somebody that cons others like that. You know what? I have to say, and maybe this is a character flaw, but I assume that if I pick up a book and it says based on a true story or something like that, that is a lie. That is an exaggeration. That if I see movies based on a true story, they made that crap up. Yeah, yeah. Based on a true story. Oh man, you should see, I mean, when I'm watching a movie based on a true story, I basically have my son. Exactly. That's a big deal. That's a big deal. I'm like about checking everything. Who's to say that an autobiography is completely true? I mean, it's my story. I tell it like I won't. Exactly. Yeah, that's this country life. Yeah, one day, one day that we're going to podcast about it. We'll be like, no, no, but it was true. That was from New York City. You know, something that's made me think about is, and there's been several stories like they said have come out in the news in the last like five or 10 years, but at our daughter's school, there was a woman who was like named to all these Latin like community service leadership positions and really worked for the welfare of Latino people. And she of course claimed to have been raised in a Latin community in like, you know, some urban area. And it turned out she is not at all Latin. What's oral? None of that. And she got found out, she got fired and they wrote a letter, an apology letter to all the students and to me as a parent, I got this letter. We know you're disturbed by this. And it was like, this woman's been working for decades inside of this community under, and some I don't even know how they they figured it out. But it's kind of the same, the same thing except for in her case, she was actually she's doing good for that community. Wow. And it's like, that's wild. That's pretty messed up though. I mean, living a total lie and. Iron eyes, Cody. What's the hat? Remember that guy? Yeah. The, the, the Native American air quotes. In the 1970s. They're standing on the side of the road and somebody drives by and throws a McDonald's sack out in his feet. And he's dressed in full Native American regalia. And he turns and looks towards the camera and goes, oh yeah. That guy was not an Indian. That day was from Sicily. Was that Ty? Are you kidding me? Yeah, he was a T. Yeah. I don't know that. Josh is being rocked right now. See, I told you. Are you going to start littering now? Heck yes. Because you've been fooled. Hey, what did you guys think about the. Were you surprised? Malachi, let me ask you, were you surprised when you heard the inner inner workings of how the white supremacists were saying that the civil rights movement was the communist being fed by the Jews? No. Did you know that? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Okay. It started that in school. Okay. Yeah. I think it goes back to what Ben said. It's, I mean, this stuff is complex. You know, the issues of race and south, it's really complex and there's no. There's no black and white. I think human beings wanted to be black and white, yes or no. And it's just not, it's just not so. And I think also one thing that I was just thinking about, Asa and just his life. I think everybody comes to a position of like making a choice. Right. I think he probably had a choice of, of like wanting things deeper or like turning his life around or trying to produce books and just like letting the KKK life go. And I think he just made a choice to not do it. Now they towards the end of his life, he probably looked back. He was, you got to mix in his crazy and stuff like that. Look back and thought, man, like I wasted my time. Right. Did this radio show and got kicked out. Right. I supported, you know, Governor Wallace and then ran against him and lost, right? By his life is just a bunch of trying and trying and trying and failing. And then he just thought, man, maybe I should put my life towards something and he produced this like great book. So I don't know, very interested man. It was cool that he told that story. Somebody, there was in the Navy with him. Said they'd heard that story when he was young. Yeah. Before he did all that other stuff. He was 18 years old. Yeah. He told that story. He told, so that's been in for a while and it goes back to that thing. I said on the last render, I think people are inherently good because that's the only place a story like that comes from. He just chose to be a terrible person. I think that was, I think everybody, I mean, obviously, I say obviously, I'm not a doctor like most of the folks in here. But. Or a captain. Or a captain. It's a three. I'm sorry. You're not a captain like this. I mean, it's a two law. It would seem that the guy had some kind of mental problems. But outside of that, he could have been a good guy. Because that story's got to come from a good place to me. I've got a theory on gifting and it's based on a lot of different things. But I feel like sometimes people who are like extremely good at stuff. And you know, they talked about every single good speech or all the, it was clear he was an excellent writer. He was excellent. And sometimes I feel like there's, you're kind of teetering with like this balance in life between normal and gifting and like the more gifted you are and the more you go into that space and the more you perfect your craft, the less stable you become as a human being. That's kind of a pessimistic worldview. But that's been my experience. What you're saying, I mean, it made me think about, Ace of Carter made me think about Bill Gates. And there's a documentary about Bill Gates and his wife is talking about Bill and how Bill is extremely smart, extremely smart. But Bill is not connected to his emotions. Right? Connected to how he feels. And I think it kind of connects with what Misty says. Like you can put so much energy in perfecting your craft and doing these things with gifting that you lose a sense of humanity. Right? You lose a sense of connection and normalcy and enjoyment and, you know, valuing people that you kind of, you get warped. And I think you mix that with like, you know, the deep races, the deep, there was a story in there where he talked about he got removed or he felled out of a class and like that immediately he got resentful. So that like you mix all of that. Like the system being against you. And you feel like, oh, this isn't fair. And it kind of twist you a little bit. Yeah. And it's not can be my fault. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got to blame somebody looking for an enemy. I think working with with kids a lot, you see parents come in when kids are really young and they want you to perceive their kids as gifted and really unique. And it's like, oh, I think you should really be shooting for average here. Yeah. There's a lot of value in having an average kid. There's a lot of, I mean, I'm joking, but I'm also dead serious because... Well, and it's something that we've done with our kids, I think, is that we've... gifting is being gifted at something. It doesn't, it's almost like it doesn't come by merit in a way. And so there's things that you... We have honored character over gifting with our kids. That's the most simple way to say it. Because gifting will take care of itself. There's certain things that your kids, you are going to be able to do that nobody else can do, that you didn't work for, you just kind of got it. Yeah. You know, like Brent and this beard. Mm-hmm. And it's overalls. And... My parents looking good, by the way. So you just... You understand what I'm saying? Yeah. And if you put too much of an emphasis on that, and if you go... But emphasis on the gifting, it'll kind of pollute them. Yeah. And I think that there's a lot to be said for restraint. Just saying, hey, I can go to like real extreme places with this thing. And you see this a lot with artists with... And they get weird. Artist musicians. Yeah. They just... They... They... It's like... Exactly. But you see this a lot with artists where they just go down these extreme tunnels. They take on different identities. They become different people. And it's like, I bet it'd be good for the world if you were just like pretty darn good at your art. And a really good person. Let me ask you guys something. I had a lot of people comment to me that they were maybe not surprised, but they... That's what they said. That we could tackle this kind of issue on this platform. Do y'all think... Or just kind of like, well, of course we're going to talk about this. What do you think, Malika? I mean, I wouldn't say surprised. I think it needs to be like... When I think about like the Bear Greece podcast, I think about like taking you to the wild and it's uncomfortable. Right? And I think it's okay to... It's a metaphor inside of a metaphor. The things that are uncomfortable. And I just think race in the south and, you know, hunting in Indians and, you know, everything that's included, it's uncomfortable. It's not as black and white. Yeah. And, you know, you navigate it with... With wisdom, but I think you do have to talk about it. Yeah. It's all just really interesting to me. I had one negative review. It's a one star. Yeah. Yeah. He said, I love the podcast. I love all you guys, but this has nothing to do with hunting. This is an outdoor podcast. This is a waste of time. He just lambasted us like saying like, why are you even talking about it? And I don't take much. I mean, this is not... We never said it was a hunting podcast. Right. I mean, honestly, if I'm interested in it, and there's any connection to the natural world, and this book, The Education of Little Tree, is the gateway into this story, you know? And I appreciate that we can talk about this stuff, and not be afraid of it. Saying that, let's close on this one. What'd you think about me reading the Unibyre Manifesto? That's exactly what I was about to say. I was like, how much do you price me? Talk about this, but that feels a little bit like... No, Renella is the one who had to read the Unibyre Manifesto in the same class that he read, The Education of Little Tree. And so, the Unibyre Manifesto was in the New York Times and The Washington Post in 1995. So it's not like this is bank contraband material. This literally was published in these places. And it didn't take me long to find that section, and I wasn't looking for that section. I was just looking for a section that I could pull out that would have some relevance, and a whole lot of what he said, a whole lot of humans in America would agree with. That's how those kind of people get followers. Exactly. Looking for somebody or looking to identify with somebody. And if they're an orator, like the comfyth, or whatever, how we could... Yeah, however we decided to say it. That's how he got this folks following him. He was able to get his message out. Oh, I didn't find that guy. I'm going to start following him. Let's go do some stuff together. Burn a barn. Well, okay. I guess it's all right. And then it just magnifies from there, but that's how they get those folks to follow them. Yeah. It's almost like extremism is about the application and the solution to the problem. But they start out talking about the problem that a lot of people might agree with, and then they just get more and more extreme. Yeah. Yeah. It goes back to that thing. Everybody always, regardless of what the issue is, somebody ought to do something about that. Well, finally, some guy says, I'll tell you what, I'll do something about it. If you'll go with me, well, I don't know. Josh would be like, I got to ask my wife. Keeps me safe. Yeah. Well, it was, my point in reading that was to show, I was qualifying what Steve said when he said, he would have believed that the Unibonmer had wrote the educational little tree. I was qualifying that statement. But the point that I, the thing that I also saw was that a lot of times being crazy comes with a lot of, can come with some reasonable ideas, can come, it could come cloaked in something that seems, seems insightful, seems like, well, yeah. And obviously, the Unibonmer was a bad dude, clearly. But there's a whole lot of that manifesto that's really interesting. But yeah, well, any closing thoughts? What was the most shocking part of the thing, or your favorite part or the something that really stood out to you? My favorite part was the church story. And they got about him fighting for everything. I think that was in the first one. Oh, Coon Jack. And Coon Jack got the difference right here under my shirt. Yeah, yeah, he showed it on a pistol. Yeah, yeah, the report. Wasn't that good? That's good writing. I mean, surely he just made that up. Like, I don't think that happened. It kind of reminded me a little bit of, Jerry Clower. What's his name? Jerry Clower. Yeah, Jerry Clower. That story about the guy. Do you remember when you did the podcast on him? And he, the story about the, it actually sounds a lot like stuff that does happen in small, small church. I mean, what he really does is that when I read, I thought many saw that happen. Don't bother, don't bother. Shandalers story. Yeah, the Shandalers story around me, Jerry Clower, Shandalers story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The circumstances around this death were pretty fascinating. Yeah, and we didn't, we didn't get into it. Well, that was a cliffhanger. Yeah, yeah, I felt, so you can get, you can read the book, unmasking the clansmen by Dan T. Carter. And I actually, I did that interview before the book came out. Well, oh, really? Yeah, so the detail, and I had to respect Dan, and I understood he just, he laid out everything. You know, he hid nothing. And he wrote this book and he's the world's expert on Ace of Carter. And so when he didn't want to tell me how he died, I respected that and I didn't go like, look it up. And so we don't really know how he died. So can you tell us here? We'll keep it a secret. I still don't know. Oh, I can't even, the book came out. The book came out in April, like it's barely out. Okay, so we can all go look, I think we should respect, I think we should respect them. Yeah, yeah. Although I'm, I'm super curious, especially because he kept calling it biblical. Yeah. Which is like a, reference cane and able. Yeah, that does that mean, that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like maybe he had a worse brother that killed him. Maybe. Wow. I'm concerned about this family. Yeah. Yep. Well, we'll be moving on to greener pastures on Bear Gree after this one. The next, next episode is going to be really good. I can't tell you what it's about, but I can't tell you. I'll call Dan Carter and ask him. This country life. DM me. I'll tell you what it is. Yeah. Well, thank all you guys for coming. Much appreciated. See y'all in August. See you. See y'all in August. Yeah. Yeah. 30, 32. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey Josh, you know, I tell you, you said something about my beard. Yeah. I tell you what my grandpa said about it. The first beard I grew. He said, that looks ridiculous. I said, why? If he said, I would not cultivate on my face what grows wild on my behind. Yeah. I broke out my passport from 1994 and showing these guys my little pencil mustache that I was really proud of back then. Because that's all I could grow. It was like 17 hairs on each side. It's like a hand turkey with a beard. Yeah. Yeah. Hello, this is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor, writer, director, swimmer and I love films. 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