Ep. 124: BEAR GREASE [RENDER] - The Final Word on David Crockett

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This is complicated store dot the meat eater dot com slash giveaway that store Dot the meat eater dot com slash giveaway for details to enter for your chance to win that store dot the meat eater dot com slash giveaway My name is Clay Newcomb, and this is a production of the Beargreese podcast called the Beargreese render where we render down Dive deeper and look behind the scenes of the actual Beargreese podcast Presented by FHF gear American made purpose-built hunting and fishing gear as designed to be as rugged as the places we explore I Don't know if if y'all are aware of this, but I am nursing pretty severe injury. Oh Really what up? Like physical emotional no very a physical injury I have been alternating ice and heat using a tins unit Lane right spin through ice gas. It's been kind of serious Because he's gonna be on prayer chains all across the country Tell us what happened. It's a lot better today, but I couldn't like turn to the right at all yesterday because I thought about sneezing I didn't sneeze. I just thought about it. I geared up for it. You injured yourself thinking about sneezing tell the tell the story about happened Well, okay, so here's what really happened. I think what happened is that I was actually I made a quilt this weekend for my first ever grandmas One of the next generation of so hard my nephew is having a child and it's the first one of that generation to have a child So I made a quilt my mom came over helps me with it Totally bit off more than we could chew in the time allotted for this project. Yeah And so I just like set over a sewing machine or you know Yeah, I was like all day long. This is one of those you really selling me to do this. I know well No, I mean she's that there's always deadline. There's always like this. It's always there's a baby shower Right, there's a baby shower that has a date and then like three days before it's like Let's make this child something that will last their lifetime. Well to be honest. I bought you would you like to be at well No, you can't buy something that will TBA job that's right good. He's I actually purchased the materials for this in January Okay, it's been a busy year, you know, and so so we and we have so you're hunched over so much over so I think that probably my back was like I'd rather you not be like this, you know, this is too much for a cause there's a period birthdays Birthday I've never felt I've never felt like I've had a Accumulation of birthdays quite like I did the second so I get to the end of it I'm getting I'm super happy. We finish it like a midnight one in the morning And a sneeze comes on me and I get ready to go for it, right? I get I have powerful sneezes I'm not I'm not a meek and mild sneezer at all. I wish I was. It's humiliating to me when I see Like it's awful But I one came on I was alone everybody else had gone to bed and I And I didn't sneeze nothing came out, but a Muscle in my back seized up Hahaha Your sneezer so bad you broke your sneezer it was horrible I mean just Just like and so climaxed up in the morning and I said hey I really heard my back I said he said why I said well to be honest I thought about sneezing anticipatory sneezing dream incapacitated all my hair. I think it walked but just just barely I thought about football was her torn ass, yeah And so Clay said that either, like the best case scenario is that I got a quilting injury. The worst case scenario is that I got an injury from thinking about me. Well, we're so glad you could join us because we're at the Barrier's Render today. I feel a little bit better today. If you know, I heard and I like this, I'd like the thought of this. I'd like to think about it like this. Be careful. That aging, aging is actually the accumulation of error in your body, DNA replication. What's that all about when you're on the podcast? It may have been, because I feel like I heard that too. It may have been, okay, okay, maybe I said it already. But when you think about aging, it's actually, you know, your DNA replicates and it's an accumulation of error that makes you old and eventually makes you die. And it has very specific things that happen. There has to be a tipping point of that, right? Well, I think quilting injuries is the thing. There's got to be an inflection point if it's an aching injury in an error. Well, it's so great to have you all here on the Barrier's Render. To my right, I have my dear friend, Josh Landbridge, spillmaker. Great to have you, Josh. Glad to be here. Josh, you have brought your lovely wife who's also a dear friend of ours. Yes. Hello, hello, hello. My favorite person. Time on the Render. Second time. Second time. Maybe even more. To Christy's left is Misty Nukem. Yes. Great to have you, Misty Nukem. Thank you. Dr. Nukem. Nick Grayson, oh. To Misty's. I just thought it was a fancy scholar. To Misty's right is Dr. Britt Reaves. Yes, yes, hello. Great to see you. Great to see you. Great to see you. How's this country life going? Man, it's more fun than a bunch of puppies. It's just, I'm getting lots of good feedback talking to people who's this feedback coming from. Right. Mainly me. This is kind of like a beef, like a, like a, such a wife and your daughter, like an algorithmic circle of people that just bolster your confidence non-stop. Yep. It's my mom and my wife. Yeah, great. Yep, that's who it is. But it's, man, it's going really good piece of it. So this last week you talked about brim fishing. Oh, yeah. I don't know how many people you've been to that one yet. I'm really looking forward to it. I've gotten, I don't know how many pictures of folks sending me. So, man, you inspired me to get out and go catch fish. And I'm like, man, this is great. I hope they ain't going to where I like to go. Yeah, yeah. Go, there's some action on, man, I catch and fish. And lots of pictures of folks taking kids out fishing. Oh, that's great. Oh, it's, it's wonderful. You know what's going to happen to you is what happened to me and Daniel Boone. What's that? Oh. Daniel Boone went into Kentucky in the late 1760s and found to him. What was a paradise? It was also the land and inhabited by, you know, the Shawnees and others. He hunted for two years and then within 30 years of him going in there and being one of the first white Europeans to cross the Cumberland Gap and go into Kentucky. Within 30 years, Kentucky was a state. Oh. What does this have to do with you? Yeah, I'm. One day, you're going to go to your brim fishing hole and it's going to be covered with people. It's going to be a state, a mall. It's going to be a state, a mall. That'd be really expensive. It's going to be a starbuck that's, that's, every time we all tell a story, I just keep bringing it down. I'm so sorry for that. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, we got our friend, Debra D in the house today. I'll start with the seas. No, no, that's a, that's a good thing is when people do what you're inspiring them to do. Yeah, go for it. Yeah, and so today, I've seen a few things around you saying that brim is your favorite fish to eat, more than croppy. More than anything. Is it because of the taste or is it because of the accessibility of croppy? Because sometimes I like something and I'm like, I like this better than that. And it really doesn't have to do with the, the, the thing. It more has to do with things around the thing. Like, this thing is accessible to me. So I love it and I did it with my dad and I can do it. There's obviously a lot of nostalgia with it because I, it was our favorite pastime. And usually anytime I catch a croppy, it's an accident. I'm not a very good croppy fish. So, but you have a plate of them side to side. You know, I'm going to, I just prefer brim. I just love it. Can you tell me the, the, describe to me the difference between a brim and a croppy enticed? Can you? One's good, one's better. Okay. I mean, I can't, I can't give you that, I can't give you that. Now, you know how if we had a guest here, I would have you describe in detail what they were wearing. Yeah. Here's a plate of brim. Here's a plate of croppy. Talk to me about why one tastes different than the other. Well, I like brim out of the river more than I do out of steel water out of a lake. Okay. It tastes better to me. Just, it's a fresher taste and people say, you know, this tastes fishy. Well, it's fish. That's what fish should, should taste like. Yeah, nobody says, this hamburger is too hamburgery. It tastes cowy. It's whatever you like to eat. It's like gamey, you know, whatever. That's, game don't taste, gamey. It tastes like what it is. Bear tastes like bear, deer tastes like deer. Croppy have, the meat is a little wider, probably. Okay. It's a little wider than what, what brim are, but they know they're different fish. So, I just, my palate, I grew up, if you put numbers on fish that I ate growing up, it would be brimmed by far the most and then catfish and then everything else. How many actual brimmed do you think you've eaten? Oh, no. I would have no- I can't wait to be on one day. I'm going to meet somebody and when I do, I'm going to give them a hug and, like, invite them to be my friend for the rest of their life. If they can tell me how many brimmed they've eaten in their life. I quit counting the Wail and Coonsy tree last year sometime after 357. Now I was, I was pretty impressed that you were keeping track. Yep, of the amount of Coons that he treated. But I couldn't tell you. I couldn't even take kids. So, misty and I ate some fish this week. Misty's not a big fish person. I'm not. When I, when I, when I- I'm not disciplining myself to be on that because I want those omegas. When me and Miss Nukem crossed paths and our lives became one, she didn't like fish. So, I kind of inherited it. Any kind. Yeah, you know when people say it tastes fishy. I'm like, and that's not good. And that's what this entire species tastes like. All of taste is the same to you. More or less. Yeah, and, you know, I was probably not raised on fine fish. We don't even have cats all the way to the reveal or whatever. You've been frying catfish. You don't like that either. When we would go to restaurants and they would fry their french fries in the same oil. Then they would fry their fish in. I'd be like, I don't like these french fries. Gotcha. I mean, that was the, that, yeah. So, this week, I was in Alaska back in May. And we caught a halibut, about an 80-pound halibut, which was a pretty fun thing to watch. I was in the boat. I didn't catch it. But, Christy, do you know what halibut is? Uh-huh. It's a big flatfish. It's very huge, yes. The flatfish. It looks like a big flounder. Man, so a halibut, if I was explaining this to Brent the other day, you know how just a standard brim would be upright in the water. He would be thin and tall. And his fins would be oriented, you know, his dorsal fin would be pointing towards the sun. His tail would be pointing south. His mouth would be pointing north. Uh-huh. A halibut would be exactly like a brim. His mouth would be exactly like that, except turned flat. So that his dorsal fin would be pointing like on the ground. But it's both his eyes are on the top and the same side of his head. So when you get him and turn him upright, it looks like it messed up fish. Yeah. So I wouldn't just see those hand motions again. Okay, so this is a brim. This is a brim swimming through the water. Okay. This is a halibut swimming through the water. Except the halibut has two eyes on top. A brim has two eyes on the side. It was like wildy-coady after he gets run over by a steam roller. Yes. So this week, I fried some halibut. And the story just keeps getting deeper. This story is making its own gravy. I went, I wanted to fry halibut and I went to the cupboard where we keep our bare grease, which I thought we had like 10 jars, to be honest with. No, sir. And there was one jar left in there. And that one jar was from the rendering in that bear camp two years ago. I mean, coming up on two years ago. How was it? Well, I opened it up and I have, in the past, I have used bare grease sometimes a year and a half old. And so this is more than a year and a half old. And I opened it up. And with age, the odor becomes stronger. It's not bad. It's not rancid. Like you would know of rancid odor. It was a stronger odor. And I went, well, it's not bad. So I got the pan hot, poured it in initially. The first three minutes of putting that barrel in there, there was a, it kind of had a stronger odor, not a bad odor, just a musty, little, musty odor. And then once the oil got hot, it completely clarified. And I fried that halibut in that fish. And it was incredible. There was zero, zero taste of the point being barrel oil lasted. That's good to hear. Almost two years on the shelf. Be careful. People listening, always check for the smell. I wouldn't, I wouldn't normally recommend people eat a year and a half old and actually smelling it at the beginning. I was like, oh, I don't know that I'm wanting of that. But I ate the halibut because, and I've eaten trout this summer, that bear got, I think he got with you, Josh. Yep. And, and I'm developing a, a, a tolerance, it's that that fish tasted good. The halibut's, I mean, it was really good. And it truly didn't have any type of like, yeah, it's true. And Brits said the same thing about trout. But honestly, the trout, we cooked it in this garlic skate butter and it was so good. And I didn't taste any fishiness to the trout. See, it's the, it's the texture that is a little bit of a, yeah, fresh helps. It's like, okay, this is, this, the texture is what has been a, a turn off to me. But I actually really liked the halibut. There was no, no interesting aftertaste. And, and really clay just like pulled off a, Pinterest or something, the, the, this batter. I'm not on Pinterest, but go. I don't think that's true. Yeah, it was, it was a good batter. It was a batter that used flour and bread crumbs. Panko crumbs. Oh, panko crumbs. It was really good. It was a combination, so it wasn't a cornmeal batter for that flounder. And it was, it was very good. It was very good. The halibut, yeah, it was really good. Yeah, but the, the, the halibut, it's, it's almost like a chicken strip. You can break it and, yeah, very layer. Yeah, have you had it, Christie? Yes. You like it? I love it. Now where have you had halibut? I've had it, uh-huh, in Seattle. Steve's, okay. Really good. Steamed? Steamed. I've had it, steams, broiled, never fried. Yeah, it fried. It's, I think, the way to go, man. Okay. Amen. So, when do you want us to come over? Yeah, for real. Uh, well, I would love to have. You should come over. You, uh, they supply this. Christie feeds me all the time. Clay, something big has happened that we haven't touched on yet. Okay, let's go. And that is. Banjo has been back from boot camp for a couple of weeks, and you haven't been ready to talk about it. He's almost leave. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you recall, for those of you, faithful listeners to the Beargear's render, the back, last year, I, I talked about how I had green broke banjo, I'm trying to figure out how to, best way to describe it. I was riding him in a round pin. I've got where he would take a saddle where you could get on him, where you could ride him in a round pin. Last year, I used him to pack in bear bait in a place where we pack in bear bait. So he's been packed quite a bit, meaning he would use carry saddle paniers, full of stuff, loaded down, and would have got a lot of exposure to just plan it earth by doing that. But last year, he two different times bucked me off. He went wayward. He did. And, and it was my fault, though. And I knew that it was. I knew that it was my fault. Why do you keep covering for this animal? Well, it's because it's, it's relevant, Josh. It's relevant. Because I, just too quickly, I didn't do enough groundwork. I didn't, I long trained him too, which means when I trained Isy, I had her, for the most part, trained in about 60 days, because I messed with her every day for 60 days. Right. I went from almost zero to riding her in 60 days. Was is either one you did the video series on, okay? And I still have her. Okay. Banjo, it was more like over a year, I did what I did in 60 days. And it just didn't stick as well. No, it's not as consistent. No, it's consistent. And, and he bucked me off twice. Well, I felt like that it was my fault that I, that I rushed him. And so I asked dad and you guys what I should do. I had a really good meal man in Prairie Grove, 80 years old. I told him about Banjo. And he, he wanted me to quit talking so that he could say, get rid of the meal. Which was good advice. Point being, when I said the meal bucked me off, what should I? And he was like, get rid of it. And his mind is like, why would you mess with an animal that already had a strike against it? Because a meal buck in the office kind of in a way like a biting dog. You know, it's, it's like, well, maybe not. But he had some bite everybody. Yeah, yeah. Oh, he's nice. Yeah. So, but I really felt like that it was my fault and that he deep inside had all the characteristics I was looking for in a mule, but clay messed up. And so I remember my dad on this very show said, get rid of it. It's not worth it. Get rid of it. And I actually thought he said the same thing about one of our kids. And I thought he was right. And he probably was. Or at the time, it could have gone either way. But I went ahead and invested in Banjo and sent him to to the office. I'm a field trainer, which is just a great guy. Something we should probably consider doing with some of our kids. Yes, I would. I need his number. I would. I would. I would. I would. I would. And he came back with a nice haircut. I mean, Banjo kind of went a little bit flashy. And he came back kind of humble. I mean, had a very tight, you know, it was like he had been a bootcamp for a while. Everybody gets a buzz cut when you get a bootcamp. That's right. That's right. He got four shoes and he came home a lot more humble. And I've ridden him every day that I've been home since the day I got him other than two days. So I've traveled a few days during that time. So not counting those days. But only two days that I've been home have I chosen not to write him. So I've probably ridden him 10 times. Sometimes as much as two hours. Sometimes as little as 30 minutes. I've taken him on roads with traffic. I've walked him up to pedestrians with dogs. Had him cross creeks. I've had him walk under bridges. I've had him in all varieties of binds. Walked him through creeks like when you're when you're running one like this, you're trying to find his cracks as quickly as possible. So you know what to expect. And then when he passes the test, you gain confidence in him. And he's he's doing very very well on a scale of one to ten. What was he when you took him over there? Oh, three. What is he now? For the stage that he's at, he's probably an eight. Well, in the big mules in the in the in the green broat mule category, he's an eight or nine. In the finished mule category, he's probably a five. Oh, I'm just different categories. Yeah, I'm just saying it's compared to what he was when you took him. And he's howled. He's five years old. Okay. So I've had him since he was weaned. You can't teach him old mule and new trick. Well, what is the lifespan of a mule? Lifespan of the mule is going to be 30 plus years, most of the time. Yeah, I've got good 20 more work. They'll live long enough to kill you. I remember one time I went coon hunting with an old man down on the Arkansas River. And I asked him how long he'd lived where he lived. No, no, no, no. I asked him how long he'd been married. His wife was there. And he he started the sit-ins off and he looked into the air and started counting. And he said, well, I got my mule. No. A mule died when it was 53 years old. And I was married two years before I got the mule. I've been married 54 years. And he had a mule that lived 52 years. Wow. Yeah. I don't think that's the point of that story. Yeah. It's okay. It's okay. This is last name really fun to it. When people ask me how long I've been married to Misty, I say, is he eight? Did I? I was married 13 years before is he 14 years, 15 years, 22 years. Oh, you could do that. That is not how long you've been married. 23, 23 math math math is tough. Hey, let me say, I think that Banjo gets extra points. So because he's pleasant. Is he as mean? She is she is. Is she mean to certain people? I mean everybody. She's a salty old girl. I mean, she really is not pleasant. Before we started talking about Banjo, we talked about how great is he was. So what happened? Well, he loves is he. Clyde loves is he. But is he is really unpleasant? Every morning she wakes up like when she's here, every morning, she boots the other mules out of the feedfile when they do anything. I mean, she's constantly harassing everyone. Well, see, this is a classic, a classic example. And it's not a negative thing. I think Banjo's doing well in part because is he's not here right now? Yeah. And he's able to just kind of like. Well, it's a classic scenario where there's massively different systems for rating the usefulness of stuff based upon your worldview and what you do with the animal. Misty walks outside and feeds them most mornings. Yeah. And just watches them in the pasture. So when she sees is he, she sees a mean, sassy, bucky mule that's pushing and biting the other mules, which is very true. Is he's dominant? When I work in the garden, Banjo actually comes up and eats the weeds beside the fence so that he, so that we're working side by side. Banjo is actually, so he is a very pleasant. He'll come up to you when you walk by him. He is. Well, and he's he's probably never the dominant animal. Sounds like Fritz in a pen. Yeah, true. Which can be a good thing. Is he though, I'll tell you why I love Is he? Is he's now going on eight years old? I've had her since she was 18 months old. And I, I've had Is he in uncountable sticky situations all over the place in different parts of the country. And she has never done anything crazy. And now when you're evaluating people and friends, that's not a bad way to evaluate them. Part of the reason I love Josh Spillmaker so much is he's never done anything really crazy or bad. Brent has done like two crazy things, but I'm still giving him a chance. Two strikes. Two strikes. You and Kristi are perfect. Just to never done anything crazy. But no, I'm I'm serious. Usually you put 3,000 miles on an animal that one time, you know, she when she crossed the river, yeah, freaked out and really killed you. Or the one time that happened or the one time, and so when you get an animal that just consistently doesn't, doesn't do anything really stupid, is he's never kicked me? Is he's never bucked me off? Is he never run off of run me off? Which one you'll buck off river? Well, that was rivers fault. That was rivers fault. That was is he. Let's say I did that. Is he didn't is he didn't. Rivers to worse. Well, I'm just kidding. For sure, the the mule ran, ran with her and she lost control. So, and that was when Izzy was young. That was river. So was sweet river and her not. Yeah, it was that was a major dead air. So, Izzy is a great mule. She's she's she's high powered. And she will she's a better. She's and where is she now? Oh, I've got her over to buddy's pasture on the grass. Okay, so what would happen to Izzy if you took her to the Amish trainer? She teach him a thing or two. That's right, Christie. No, I bet I mean, would they do anything to her? Like, oh, you I could take her. Can you take a mule that's trained to a trainer and they can make her better? 100% when I went to pick up banjo and me and the trainer went for a ride. Like he was like, hey, when you come, we're going to go for a ride. I want you to ride banjo. And I want to talk to you while you're riding and tell you what we've been doing. He rode a mule that came from Iowa that was supposedly a really high dollar nice mule that the owner wanted to just get dialed in real tight and get him neck rain and real good. Sometimes these mules are they plow rain train them, which means they if you want to go right, you just try to grab the right rain and just pull their head. The neck rain is when the two rains are coming up on the other side of the neck and you just move your hand the direction you want to go and actually the rain lays across the opposite side of their neck and they it's like power steering. You just kind of move. So yeah, he could teach he could teach easy something for sure. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So banjo's great. I said all that to say banjo may be for sale next April. Oh, why next April? That's when that's when I will be confident. Okay. And I want to ride him basically for a year. Why would you get rid of him? Because he's going to be worth a lot of money. Let's put money down right now on whether banjo will be here next June. What's the over and under? Listen, okay, limit. You want to really know my strategy. I mean, you get this great mule. Why would you get rid of it? Okay. Josh, I just when I when I got Izzy up to speed and where getting on her was no longer a question of what was going to happen. Uh-huh. Just knowing what was going to happen. If banjo and Izzy are out there right now, I'm riding banjo. Because I'm a trainer. I want to train him. I like messing with him. So Izzy's finished banjo at some point will kind of be finished within the next year. And he is a he is a prime mule to be sold because of his looks, because of his age. And he'll be worth a lot of money. And I want to get another one. And I've actually already got another one in my sights. I want to try another one. Flashy is they make brother? I don't. I don't. I don't know. He was flashing. So if you get another meal, are you going to train it? Or are you going to or those? I'm just going to try it. I I am okay with what happened with banjo. I recognize the limitations on my travel schedule and my life. I will get the animal started. And but I may take it to my to my to my bro. I think you have to quantify the value added to banjo by the celebrity he has gotten from being on this podcast. Yeah. Well, he's, he's, he's don't hate the player. Hate the game. Perhaps this whole thing has just been a ploy for me to become a high dollar meal sales trader. I think you should be a mule trader. Yeah. Lifelong dream. Right. Like people do watches. If you, if you say you get a year out and someone's like, I don't want to buy this meal, but I will trade you X for it. I trade. What would be the thing? I ain't trading nothing but green bags. All about the banjo. You know what? Do you know why? Because I want to build a north wing off of your south headquarters. And we're going to call it the banjo wing. Oh, the banjo wing. So I'm going to use that money to build a wing. Literally, is it going to be full of banjos, Misty? No. Clay, Clay has given me a number of different things that he will be using the proceeds of banjo for this is one of many years. Or I may take Mr. to Alaska on a moonshot. Oh, whenever, whenever I get upset about him, potentially selling banjo, he's like, well, you just, you don't know, but essentially that I'm going to use that money for X. And it's almost never the north wing. It has been once, but there's, uh, there's a lot of other things that he's told me. He's dangling like care to tell you. And I, I actually really like banjo. You know, when you take care of the animals and I don't take care of them like ride them, you know, but just every morning, I'm out there with them. And, and this week, someone left the gate open. Why, why? And when I walked out there, banjo was standing by the gate, looking at it like he was scared of it. But inside the gate, he stayed in the, and that kind of endeared me to the banjo. I'll, I'll fight to keep that meal. As the was a person who left the gate open a repeat offender. Um, it was an older offender. Oh, it was big. It was a small gate. Yeah, it was a big time error, big time error. It was a small gate like a, like a pedestrian. Yeah, it wasn't a big gate. And so it appeared like it was shut, but it actually wasn't. It only opened about six or eight inches. Yeah. And so I think he just didn't push up against it. Okay. He pushed against it. He would have been like, is he would have, is he? Yeah, is he would have for when clay leaves, either myself or the children are in charge of those meals, right? And most of the time it's me, but he tries to give the boys or different people responsibility for them. And we have four kids, which means in one year, those meals got out four times because each one forgot to close the gate at one point, right? And he, if he's not here, we're going to get those meals alone. And they'll, they like, drapes around the town. And the problem is is that they've gained kind of a reputation during that, particularly during COVID when we had all the kids here, because that meant really each one of them got to make one mistake. Because once you make that mistake, you don't make it again for a while, right? And each one of them did it four times. And so people were like, hey, that pretty meals out again. Pretty meal. And people, people started talking about these meals. People kind of developed friendships with the meals. The meals would come to houses and kind of see what they got going on in their lawn. And, and so people started, we have like a Facebook group, you know, for the whole city. People start commenting on the, on the meals. And then they, like, goes down the railroad tracks together. And three of them had gotten out this last time. And I mean, the city had a riot with it. 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That store.themedeter.com slash giveaway for details to enter for your chance to win. That store.themedeter.com slash giveaway. Let us get to the matter in hand. This is, this is serious. This is the final Crockett episode, the Alamo. This is, this is a big day. I've had some, I've had some talk about well, is he gonna make it into the Bear Grease Hall of Fame? As a matter of fact, some of you may have asked me earlier if we were gonna do that today. And I explained to someone on the Instagram the other day that inductions into the Bear Grease Hall of Fame, are kind of like a thief in the night. You don't know when they're gonna come. They just come when the time is right. So just because the series is ended and there's a potential candidate, just like any Hall of Fame. Like the day that Michael Jordan retired, I don't think they held a meeting to see if he's gonna be in the Hall of Fame. Do you know, Christie? No, I don't know that. Okay, so I don't think it would be projecting our intent too much to be like, Oh, let's do an induction today. I think baseball, you gotta be out five years before you're eligible. Yeah, so we'll probably do another induction in 20, 29. No, wow, when the time is right, should his name even come up in the conversation? That's not what this is about. So we're not doing that today? No. I thought for sure we would be. I thought for sure we would be too. You keep talking about it, foreshadowing, I figured. Yes. I sometimes my plans are more in line with geologic time than human time. That's it, that's right. All you people live in day-by-day, I'm thinking generations for induction. I don't know. Here's how we're gonna do a project. Place says, all right, man, you ready? Yep, we're gonna leave in a month and a half from the day, got you. Next day, hey, man, we're gonna put that off six months. Okay, that's fine, third day. Can you be ready in the morning? That's true. Am I right or wrong? It's 100% true. It's 100% true. Okay. Okay, we'll do the induction. Okay. No. No. Oh my gosh, this is like an emotional rollercoaster. I really am. Just get it, just get it. That is what life lived with Clay Nukem is like. It is a constant emotional rollercoaster, Nukem. I've got a quiz for you. Okay, in your face. We're about, so we're about to get into Crockett. Yeah, I know, it's from the podcast. You have a question. Okay, let's go. No, I don't have a question, I have a quiz. A quiz. Okay. Okay. This pandemic. Oh, thank you. Yes. We are. You stay with my thunder girl, but go along with you. Careful, you're there. It appeared between 1817 and 1821. Why don't you tell me what that pandemic was? It was so cute. Yeah, it was. It was cute. Yeah. I've been, I've been. I've been. I've been. I've been. Collar. Collar. That's a colleria. Choleria. Choleria. I haven't listened to you. I actually stopped him. It was like, god, I've never heard that before. I reweld it like I just assumed, you know, he said collieria anyone Collier was when these get hooked on phonic and I Most definitely like was a girl in the 90s And so I ran a lot of Jane Austen so I knew about like bad things that happened right in You know before we had penicillin and things like that but but I reweld it and I was like man I've never heard of that disease before and I kept going back Surely he doesn't mean call her He does make all right, don't call me Shirley But is that called me sure think about it the way I figured it out is that he actually is a good phonetic reader He really just like it was failed Like with all things he added That reminds me Ava when she was little said what's what's co what's Cholera What's Cholera? Hey, okay, so I also took a little heat for the pronunciation of Jim booey booey, so I would say booey knife There was another one actually a test to the integrity of my Journalistic efforts that I'm not being influenced by I'm not just listening to someone else and then just repeating what they said Fantastic spin that is a fantastic spin. Yeah, that's like glass half-full. Y'all That's the other the other one is what was the other one the other one was the name of the oh Yes, can pain. Yeah, I had and the guy you were interviewing kept trying to yeah, I get back down like that's a little hot Yeah, I have a hard to like I've heard it. I heard it. I heard it today. I could do it But in the heat of the moment I hadn't heard it enough. Yeah, so it's De La Pena Pena. Yeah, see it. I was like De La Pena It's I was like oh I struggle I struggle that struggle that's do not read Helipenio Listen, I'd rip my mom Us reading and having booked access to books that was super important to her We did not have a lot of discretionary spending in our home and she but she would sign up for books when we you know If we'd bring those classic things home, she would buy the books. She really really valued like we did not We were not a big toy family. We were not a gadget family But diddy would get you books and and we had a stocked library. So we read all the time I didn't hear all the words that I saw Very often, right? Yeah, yeah, and so it wasn't like I was around a lot of other people who and I have story after story about when I went to college Where you would say words Epitome Let me see um, I remember I thought I was clever because I added the word pseudo in front of something like I made up a word Right, yeah, and I can't remember what the word was, but I remember it was not actually pronounced suedo My kids give me on my asking if they wanted to go to that Chipotle chipotle restaurant That's not what it is So I I sympathize with you. Yeah, I do too Well, so the Crockett series was and if you're new to the Barrett greece render podcast what we do on the Barrett greece renders We talked for about 30 to 40 minutes about Absolutely enough random things The last half podcast we discuss the very serious Barrett greece podcasts from the week before this was our first four-part series Christie. Yes, I've never done a four-part series Just three and it felt like the alamo could have stood on its own Oh, you know, it was like you've got the three-part series plus the alamo exactly and you have this an actor that's in both place And so this whole time I've been trying to Understand and just in in my mind get an answer for who was Crockett as a person Who was Crockett and was he a good guy was he a bad guy was he a funny guy was he not funny guy? Was he did they have good intentions to they have bad intentions and clearly you can't really know all those things but you can gather data And there was so much information on Crockett that was not true even much more so in his own time There were people writing auto by quote auto biographer false auto biographies about him In his time making him look to be a a braggered of a Crass do you remember the painter Chapman that Made a point to say that Crockett was never crass when he was in his presence and he was painting him So he would have been around him a lot a very informal environment for hours and days and he never heard Crockett be crass well that pointed to that people had made him out to be this like crap, you know vulgar person right and And so so my question this whole series is his who is Crockett because it's clear that his Who he who he is is impacted America so much that we're still talking about him people know him He has as much name recognition probably as Michael in the upper echelon of Americans Crockett yeah, why he was a bear hunter. He was this Tennessee back woodsman He was uneducated. He was all these things and when he really dig down into the granular things that he actually did in his life. He's a fascinating guy but he takes a bad rap Like for instance with the Alamo if you had talked to me about the Alamo before I really studied much into it I would have heard people say ah Crockett's no hero He didn't even he didn't even want to be in that war like he didn't even have anything to Give to it. He was just looking for land and and painted it like he was a bad guy for being at the Alamo and When you look when you see what actually happened It no it wasn't that his motivations were I love The country of what could be Texas and I'm gonna go fight for independent. No But his motivations were He was looking for the new life. He was looking for a better world for his family Yeah, he Wanted to be a politician in Texas. That's not a bad motivation. Anyway, clarification of All these things that he was what do y'all think what what do y'all think was um After here in four episodes what you take on Crockett I think Crockett was a was a Was a pretty normal guy with a charismatic normal guy But I think one of the things that you know Christian I had a lot of discussion about his His time in Texas And whether he was there to just Do what he had to do to get some land or you know what were what were his intentions there And I think it comes down to the fact that the one thing that I did pick up about Crockett is he was very relational And I think you know it he talks about Um in the letter I can't remember if it was the letter that John Wayne wrote red or which letter but he says I'm I'm here with my friends. He was his letter to his daughter in John Wayne referenced it But I read the whole letter and I I think there's an aspect to Like he believed in Texas like he thought this is this is a place where I want my family to come But I think I think there had to have been an aspect because you you you know you you see Characters like Stephen F. Austin you see Jim Buie, you know They they also have reputations of being larger than life characters And I think I think that that David Crockett probably felt at home with those guys And when it when push came to shove he's like It wasn't necessarily about getting the land. It wasn't necessarily about defending Texas. It was there To to to stand with my with my brothers in the end And so I think I think if there's if there's something good to be said about David Crockett is that he He cared for people he loved people and I think that's a good I think that's good inside. I think in the moment You Would do things right. I don't think he would just pack up and leave those guys You know, I'm sure he said all right. I'm here too I'm gonna stand with you till the end and he feels he feels like a guy that can make a quick friend too. Yeah Exactly, you know, yeah, I took him as being a family oriented A lot of it a lot of the stuff. It goes back to him taking care of his family Like when his wife died he could upon which was not in common Find somebody look. I ain't got a wife. I got these kids. I don't need to take care of deuces. I'm out But he didn't do that When found somebody to take care of his kids and then and not only do that he was taking care of them That that letter the whole time I was reading listening to you read that letter I was thinking that's the letter I would would have wrote to my daughter to where she wouldn't worry about me Even when I could if those cats were all Cleaning the raffles outside the Alamo not knew he was fixing to get bad I'm not writing the letter home that says I may never see you again I'm one. I don't believe that's going to happen. They're going to have to get me Because my my fight then is to get home to them. Yeah, you know, that's what I thought and to take care of it And that's that's what I got out of it that he was really a family oriented and he he he also had family there His brothers his brothers and arms the folks that they was fixing it Duke it out with that was going to be the guy that left and the guy on the right of him You know, you know you want to make friends quick and make family quick Get in a box hole somebody You get out of there, you know, you will be tight forever and that that was what I got out of that that he was really Family oriented or so I thought that's my perception. Well Just for the historical record and I felt a little bit bad not including this But it just didn't fit He he didn't have the greatest relationship with his second wife We don't really know the details But we know there was a period of time when they did not live together Which which doesn't necessarily mean That they were divorced or are Well, but they were separated. So I see I see exactly what you're saying and he was dedicated to his kids Yeah, different stuff. I think uh And I think he was very family oriented. I think he I think if you really got into the you know We had a four-hour podcast Basically four hours of content and you know you could read for 50 hours on stuff right about crooked and there's there is a fair bit of stuff about him Not being a great husband never being unfaithful. That's never spoken of When you were talking about Austin and Bowie Bowie I thought I was saying it right You're gonna confuse with the 80s rock rocker. Yeah, well, you know, 80s rocker Those guys had some legit rough stuff in their record That would just be like a pretty pretty wild Strike against you. Crockett didn't have that. Crockett was a Crockett owned slaves in Tennessee at least one um So it's not he's not you know he had that But uh, but he was never known as a womanizer. He was known to be faithful whether Now, you know, you're gonna write that in your autobiography probably not But uh, so the else would though So somebody else write that in your autobiography true true. Oh, they'd write about it. Yeah Does anyone know when the US coined we're we're the land of opportunity, right? Is that true natural state? No, no, Arkansas the US Oh, oh, I got you I think we're called the lands of opportunity Honestly, I think when I think about Crockett like overall He and all the stories about him. He's really always What drives him and motivates him in my opinion is opportunity. Yeah, right? So you tell the story about the barrels and and taking him down and it failed But it was all about like we got an opportunity here and he's chasing the opportunity You think about you know his politics Everything you talked about that he did and the impact from politics was all about how do you open up opportunity for someone Like go into Texas. Whatever was driving him was like I it feels like in every element in every story You told what he's driven by is that there's this opportunity over here and I think I'm gonna go after it And I think that there's some kind of connection with why he's such a Of pillar inside of our history is it there's that connection to Opportunity what's ahead of me? What can I go grasp and whether that's for his friends or for his family I mean he watched it with his dad his dad try things fail things he'd have to go make up like go work to pay off his dad's debt And he did it willingly like you know from the stories But but I think that was built inside of him And there's got to be this opportunity for something else in it It feels like that is what was driving him. Yeah, and I can connect to that Like I think I think that's not hard to connect to you And maybe an element of why he's such a pillar Yeah, in American culture because in American culture. Yeah, going back to your first statement We we do live in a place of incredible opportunity Over the last 200 years in this country right if you just look at the literal options that people have had in terms of Economics and where to live and I mean and then you looked at the the landscape of the world for the last eon This is a place of incredible opportunity And yeah, and he he that's what he yeah, I think that's that's probably why he represents he's such a core Part of American identity early on Yeah, and I kind of I think that's a little bit what makes me have a slightly more critical view of of David Grockett Josh just sorry Josh out Josh is out Christie's in So they're ready Well, but I think that is kind of what makes me have a little bit like I'm listening to y'all describe him And I think it's very generous. I think that I Well, I'm just saying I would love to be David Grockett's friend I think he would be the person that I would if I go into a room and he's there I want to go hang out with him. I'm going to feel most comfortable around him. I'm going to feel I'm going to enjoy hearing his stories. Yeah, I don't know that I'd want to live with him or rely on him Like I think that that would be I'm just thinking about yeah that that constant pursuit of the thing around the corner And and like the way he he when he lost how quickly he fled out Um, yeah, I don't But was that not a characteristic of the American frontier hashtag let mr. Talk um I hear you and it may may have been it's just if I'm To me as I listened to him. I think it's a characteristic of populists types of of people who Like I said it was kind of funny to me that he found the home in literac because we've read books by other authors Who talked about our found comfort in literac remember when he talked about the people in Arkansas That the huge welcome they gave them yeah because that type of politician would do really well here that we We love populists and And they do Exactly. There's other authors who came through literac around that same time period Who thought it was the bane of humanity? I mean, they just thought it was a terrible what how gersucker do you remember what how how how he described it? Oh It's it's not really comparing apples to apples because gersh docker was detailing actually live like traveling through and living in the city All we have from Crockett stay here is his His welcome reception from his Speech where he's trying to make friends with these people. Yeah, he says this is where the half horse half alligator man Yeah, he was a politician the back He was a politician because he said you know no finer place could he found a lid of the low rock Then he went to Texas This is the garden spot of the world In Texas new Mexico's great It's like all these country singers you see on Instagram every single week. It's like Spokane That's right. They're like But that's actually kind of the feel I get from David Crockett Like he's gonna be whatever he needs to be in the room. He's a chameleon Doesn't have super thick skin super strong staying power like I just I think fun guy Could see why everyone would like him Not sure that that's the guy I would hitch my boat to well because he lacks restrain I think that's a thing about him and any good entrepreneur, right? I'm fascinated by entrepreneurs Yeah, who will live in their college apartment 10 years after they've made eight you know 80 million dollars Why because they don't care about the money they they are building and investing in whatever they're building in But a good entrepreneur is gonna have restrain. They're gonna they're gonna have that entrepreneurial spirit But they're gonna also restrain themselves good option bad option opportunity there not ones to pursue I don't think Crockett had restrain. Yeah, I think he I think you just went after all of it He did The one thing that we don't have about Crockett Is that he only lived be 49 years old yeah We don't have the rest of the story like maybe the story would have been he'd have gone to Texas and he You know has a huge place there and it's stable And maybe financial stability would have calmed him down the last part of his life And he would have been the president of Texas and then all this stuff that happened to him before all these failures Would have just been the thing that built up to the success. So when somebody dies when they're 49 it's just You getting like half the story. Yeah, I don't disagree and like I said, I don't think he's a bad person like I don't Yeah, I don't dislike him. In fact, I like him. I would want to be around them You know, I would want to be around them. I would enjoy the pursuits and would love to You know once he did something and it was like say he like he's a he's a pioneer. He's a He's an entrepreneur. I think one thing that I talked with Robert Morgan about this and it just didn't make the cut I think that a lot of who Crockett was came from him being a middle child. He was fourth or fifth of eight or nine kids And he was the thing that glows to me in his autobiography is how much he loved validation from people Which actually made me not like him Because he spends half of his autobiography talking about right? Sure He spends a lot of his autobiography talking about how people responded to him Yeah, uh-huh, and he was very pleased with the way that he responded to him I could look at that and immediately go this guy is full of himself and that's really what cleaves denella trying to say Was that Crockett was kind of a vain man That's the idea that you get and Crockett went to his own play That in New York City Broadway play about him and kind of took in the crowd, you know when they Recognize that Colonel Crockett was here. The less generous viewpoint is that That he he was jumping from place to place not just for opportunity, but for validation For he was a ticket. That's where I go back to this middle child thing This man was literally raised an abject poverty on the American frontier Which today is romanticized at the time was the end of the earth. Yeah It was not the place you wanted to be people were enamored with the frontier You're up wanted to hear about it the east wanted to hear about it But to actually live there and scratch out a living was would be like living on the edge of a war zone It would be in our hearts my friend Steve Rinella One time described the American frontier like living on the border of Iraq and Pakistan I mean a contested border and So here's this kid Who pops up and by the time he's like in his late 20s and he Becomes a magistrate in his county and all of a sudden his neighbors start going, you know what David You're pretty you're pretty good guy. You have pretty good judgment You're a respected man and then he runs for state representative and all of a sudden just like Holy cow. I could be state representative in Tennessee And and I mean I see and so he climbs that ladder and he begins to actually do work for the people He he was he was a good politician especially at the state level He did very good stuff and was an effective politician when he was a Tennessee state representative Doing really practical stuff right like help he made laws that made it more difficult to get a divorce He made laws that helped widows He made laws that were practical laws like building Navigation inside of rivers and but his main thing was always the people like him That didn't have money that wanted to be landowners, but had zero way to get there That was his main thing was the people need this land and so when you look at that and then Again this middle child thing Enjoying validation because they never got it because they weren't the oldest they weren't the youngest They were just lost in the middle some of us understand that Not Josh he doesn't understand that Josh who all's a little child. I'm a middle child. Most definitely close We said him obviously. Who's the baby in here maybe miss the baby is the baby Josh. I was the first born Josh is the first born So When you so basically what I'm saying is I could be negative about crocodile and think he was see this thing where he's kind of vain but also have a It's a pretty tall order to put my value system that I have today On a man that literally rose up from the ashes and became a legitimate potential presidential candidate Did all that he did and he did have a lot of moral fiber It was misused in some places, but he really stood up to Andrew Jackson the most powerful man in America and put it in his face about the marginalized Cherokees and Native Americans that they were trying to move out and from everything that you can inspect about his decision to pose the Indian removal activate 1830. It was legitimate, which it's like man. I can hat tip that because that was that was a very Forward-thinking idea and and and so he stood against that So man he would have been a hoot to have been friends. He's sure would have been I would have loved to He would have permanent seat at the Bear Grishwender. Okay. Yeah, he was very powerful. He would have Yeah, he would have rivaled you Brent. Yeah, first ballot. He's the first ballot Hall of Famer. I'm just saying Hmm Brent's trying to Brent's trying to force of a vote there. He's trying to force a vote. Hmm. That's a coup Or a coup a coup as coup I was reading it in the literature I'm trying to do a coupé on us untainted by The opinions of others. I would read that as a coup Okay, we're gonna do it. We're gonna this is this is great. Um, we're gonna do a quiz Oh, we win. We're gonna do a quiz. Oh, I'm not using all my brain. Let's get a power. Got prize. Oh, I see So, uh, do you have any other thoughts on Crockett as a whole? What what what about this last episode? Do you see In general, this is one of these things where in general people you get the idea that people in Texas are real worked up about whether Crockett died fighting I was really surprised when the guy talked about the letters and death threats Yeah, that was a wild to me. That was kind of wild to me well But when you actually talked to the individuals That I talked to in Texas. They're like we really don't care how he died. No, I wouldn't have either Yeah, he was there. He was He he signed his name to the dotted line and he got up there and he stayed there with the folks he didn't run off I don't care if they caught him or if he died Swinging like fast Parker did or if they blew him up like he did John Wayne He was there and to me that's all it matters because that's all the matter to those boys that were with him I could have made a podcast Holy on the controversy of why even 50 60 80 years ago Texans made a bigger deal about it Because there's all these paintings of Crockett so much nationalized or well state identity But at the time national identity because Texas was a its own republic its own country for about eight nine years There was there was some deeper stuff and uh My boy James crisp He I didn't I didn't include it because it's just not the conversation. I was having but he he brings up a strong point of He talked about how he felt like they didn't want Crockett Given up to the Mexicans as like a racial thing like we would never We would never Surrender to right like Benedict Arnold another country like Benedict Arnold Turned in us for the British And so so there there in lies something a little bit deeper which I don't know it was a compelling Argument he had like I said, but I don't know that that's the full story if you were you might could look at it that way So there is some More there's some legitimate reasons to wonder about why I did it, but what do y'all think how do you die ready go Brent Just your gut My gut is they overwhelmed him and killed him Academy killed him Just from the district so you're not executed you think he was captured and executed is that what you're saying? Well the real question is yeah was was the de la pinya diary correct Or because that was the whole thing de la pinya said that seven men were captured and they were executed The the the lady That had the child and then they Dickinson yeah, and they interviewed she said where he was laying was laid between two buildings Laying ever with his hat beside him To me if they're going to execute him they put him out in front of Right out in the middle of the street or the middle of the courtyard or the Plaza or whatever it was but she said it was between two buildings to me it sound like that's where they They run him down or caught him or surrounded him again right there There there's something to be said there, but that here's the thing and I'm not I'm playing devils advocate Just for the sake of all information is that She never wrote down what she saw What she said was recorded by someone else So this woman who was one of the only female English speaking survivors who survived with her child It was called the Alamo baby She The person that wrote down what she said said I saw a Colonel Crockett laying there With his peculiar hat beside him And she didn't say like there was a line of dead men You know as that's like an execution line And that was what I'm saying and Nissan and I made really no reference to him other than if some guy called Crockett Right am I right? Okay, so you think he you think he died fine. I do okay miss nukum Okay, I think there's two possibilities if I have to pick one. I'm gonna pick How the how the lady described him that the but what I'm saying is that the lady saying she she could have been executed Yeah, but I'm with Brent. I think that I do think the guy would have made a bigger deal of it if he would have understood who he was and if he didn't understand who he was then Yeah, it was it's almost like an afterthought. Yeah, this guy y'all know everyone there's talking about name Crockett I think it's possible He could have gotten caught up in a sneeze Oh It just happened Ah No You think he died in battle you don't think he was executed I don't I don't And you guys are real believers listen listen Krystie comes back and says he was executed I'm gonna tell her all the reasons why it's crazy to think he was executed So I'm I'm playing I am playing devil's advocate. Yeah, I can take it. There are three corroborating eyewitnesses of Crockett's death by execution. Why? Zero on the other side of him Dying in battle. They were all three were on the other side right all three were Mexicans And they did it quite a while after right Well the the information Well, but no The day lapenia diary did come out in the 1850s in America people knew about it in Mexico for a long time Okay, it's just Crockett was brought up by Disney and apparently somebody was like hey We got you know My thing was that the didn't they say something like the font was different or okay, that yeah, there were some differences Wade did my buddy Wade Dylan. I love that guy He's the one whose dad built a house that looked like the alimom form Way Dylan's cool guy. I wish he could have been here. He's a great guy You should follow him on Instagram way Dylan art. He's a illustrator and passionate about the alimom love it He Wade Said he's the one that said that and that is an argument that the diary is true Like it was a legitimate diary, but the section about Crockett was Was forged and wasn't right he thinks that they lapenia was in a Mexican prison and was reading newspaper articles And went back in and filled in his diary with the information he was getting from newspapers Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so it was different. Yeah James crisp Who That guy is he is he is probably the Affording the national expert on Crockett's death for the side of execution and he says that the day lapenia diary Has been scrutinized to the highest degree By all the possible methods and that it is 100% legit. That's what he believes So now you're looking at Christy like Christy. What are you gonna say, but you just Listen bill is in Josh kin Josh can validate that this is what I said yesterday Okay, and I'll say exactly what I said yesterday. I think he was captured and executed And I think that because I think he was he wanted to live He wanted yeah, I don't I mean I'm going back to my first like he was all about opportunity making a way for his people his Family and I think he was a good soldier and so I don't think he was killed I think he was captured and I think he could have been captured fighting As hard as he possibly could but That's that's I mean, maybe it's a romantic deal. You think he was captured and executed. I do And I would say the only thing I know about the parlay I've learned from pirates of the Caribbean And I was offended by they rejected it. What about the tornell decree then Christy? I don't I know the tornell decree was death to all pirates. Yeah, which means they weren't taking prisoners That's what that's what's was so could we had that conversation yesterday too because it was so confusing And they rejected the parlay So did they actually capture anyone because they told them no prisoners kill everybody so it was weird I don't know, but if I'm just if I get to choose Which I feel like this is a little bit choose your own adventure because we don't know I'm going to choose that he was captured because he fought like I know exactly what happened. I think I think he fought I think he ran out of ammunition. I think he probably was down to you know Hand weapons a knife a Hatch it whatever. I think he could have lost those I think they probably overwhelmed him took him and just killed him not not like a public execution But like they got out they caught him I think they caught him and just killed him. I did that for him. So that would be dying bow Yeah, but I think I think you are you're introducing a whole new I think he was to the day. I think that probably so we've got for the rest of the idea. I mean, I don't think it was I don't think it was hand-to-hand combat that he died in I think he was I think they probably cash read and just Yeah, that's what I yeah, Burm Rochty. That's what I said. Yeah, yeah That's what I think I can get away with that. I don't think they made a big deal that he was David Crockett He was just another guy fighting see that's where And then somebody who knew recognized him He had that peculiar hat on yeah, that's what they fine well and We're probably none of us are probably really glad to have an opinion True, well, it's honest because we have not read the day-lippinia diary nor and I have not I have not read what he actually I've not seen the pages in made a decision of was the front like the back but also the the corroborating Witnesses I would like to read those To see what they said. There's also they also said that day-lippinia was very upset with Santa Ana. It was in a Mexican prison and he had reasons to say that Crockett was execute Well, I don't know I don't understand really all the politics of it, but it would be like oh Of course he would have put that in his diary And stuff like like it's very complicated very complicated but Am I the last one? Yeah, yep. What do you think? Sneezing And just because we're gonna all qualify so help me every Texan in America is gonna come after you if you say He committed suicide Not having not having to call having a qualified It's hard for me never stopped us before to not Even with the day-lippinia diary even with a corroborating Witnesses saying they saw him executed It's it's hard for me to get behind it That execution. I think I think he died fighting and that's not a romantic. I don't really care I don't think it's that's not me wanting to like Crockett I just think that they were just killing a bunch of folks. Yeah, and secondly, what are the chances that Crockett would Have been one of the last guys Yeah, that's yeah, he could have died 20 minutes after it started. I mean there are We do know that he lasted a really long time and it's even possible that Some of the survivors noted that he was one of the last guys around Somehow we we know that and and the data That escapes you. Well, I don't know that I ever had it But but the fact that he would just be like the last guy alive Made for a short movie and book if he's a diad at the beginning Yeah, I just think um But if he was captured, I think he would have done everything in his in his power to get released Yeah, because they're the they lapenia diary And some others say that he tried to get out of dying Which it's like a good thing Yeah, of course, I would have believed like if they said he got try to get out of dying with like Befriending them and saying wild stories and yeah, like I would think that if he were to try to get out of dying It would be colorful And memorable and just and he wanted he wouldn't have done it the thing about Everyone getting mad Like He wasn't doing it out of cowardice like you were just motivated to live yeah, and if you weren't shot in the battle Then you're going to be motivated to live whatever that looks like yeah But to go against everything that I just said To play devil's advocate on yourself our boy my friend Wade Dylan He said that he doesn't think Santa Anna would have killed the rocket if he would have known who he was Because he would have taken him back to mexico to prove To the mexican government of american involvement because here is this The most famous man in america. Yeah, that Santa Anna would have saved him and taken him back They still could have taken him back Well, that's why and I'd like to talk more with Wade about that I mean It's a pretty big deal to take a prisoner of war especially when you've declared that everyone's going to die And they ended up taking a flag back of the new orlands graze which was a garrison of troops from new orlands And so I that argument. I'm not entirely Clear on because that's one of his main things He said if they'd an own rocket they wouldn't have killed him They would have taken him as a captive because he was so famous. Yeah, which I don't know Mm-hmm has everyone been to the alama I have not been there I don't remember being there my family traveled a lot when I was under three years old. I don't remember I've been to the alama not in the alama. Okay crystal you've been there yep How do you how do you do this whole thing this whole series about Well, just just this last one in particular the last episode about the alama and I mentioned Phil Collins Mm-hmm, you know what clay actually tried to get a hold of him. Yeah, it feels not doing well. No, I understand that as well Yeah, we actually tried to get Phil Collins as a feature guest on the beggar squad cast Beta pretty legit stab with some people that knew his people. Oh really? Yeah, extreme Alamo Enthusiasm Phil Collins the musician. Yeah, you see it in the air tonight. Yeah, he donated a He had a I think I'm legit He had a huge collection of Texas and Alamo's apparently his age his age would have had him as a child during the Walt Disney Crockett era. Yeah, and Yeah, he's a very well-known Crockett Alamo die hard really interesting. I like him even more How's it go I can feel it I said see it he said here it is feel it We love you Phil Yeah, no symbols. That's right. It's true Hmm. Well, this has been a great conversation. Thank you all so much for being here. Christy. It's been great to have you Thank you. Yeah, you gave some very compelling arguments that Are going to rival the next imitation whether I'm by your Josh. Josh. Thanks for thanks for driving her up Yeah, exactly. I'm just the chauffeur Oh Well, I can't wait for everyone to find out what the next series is about. 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