90 Degrees | EP #44 Nick Kostos Talks Brady VS. Manning & The Evolution Of Sports Betting Media

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I'm your host, G-Stack George, and I'm excited because I got a fellow Pisano, a fellow Greek, a fellow broadcaster, Nick Costas joining us. Nick, thanks for joining us. What's going on, man? Great to be on with you. Cully Stowe, as they say in the Motherland, right? Absolutely. You know, I want to talk to you about the art of broadcasting a little bit about football. But first, I want to know, you're born and raised in New York, and I'm in Toronto. And those are like two of the biggest Greek hubs right up there with Sydney, Australia for all the Greeks congregated in those three cities. New York, right? You've got a world where you have two sports teams in almost every league. And I've always wondered how do you guys decide which of those two teams you're going to follow? Is this a family thing? You got to adopt what your parents followed or did you make your mind a different way? Yeah, for me, it was like strictly a family thing. And I grew up in Queens as a Yankee fan. And a lot of people say, well, like, how's that possible? Like the meds playing Queens. Well, my grandfather grew up in the Bronx, and he was a Yankee fan. So it's really like it's what my, the teams that my grandfather rooted for and then my dad and then me. And then I have kids like those kids. Well, absolutely root for the same teams. It won't be allowed to root for any of the others. So it's giants and football, nicks and basketball, Yankees and baseball, Rangers and hockey to a lesser degree. Now I am wearing a Chelsea kit right now. Actually bought this in Japan when I was there in 2019. I got into the Premier League in 2011 really was the first year. 2010 I was interested, but 2011 I decided I would like to be like all in on soccer and really start following the Premier League. All the teams I root for were blue. So I chose Chelsea like literally for that reason. And then they won the Champions League literally the first year that I was like really watching a seriously, which is obviously great. I remember where I was for Fernando Torres is goal against Barça at the, at the, at the new camp in the semis. And then obviously, uh, Drago with the header in the 88th and then winning in penalties at the Aliens against fired. And the final was was really great. That's incredible. How old were you when you became a Giants fan? And man, did you pick the right New York team to follow in football? Well, you know, it's kind of like a similar, a similar thing. My first super, I've been an obsessive sports fan since I was very young. Um, I just turned 40. Um, so I born in 83. The first Super Bowl that I vividly remember watching was a Niners 55 Broncos 10 Super Bowl 24 in New Orleans. And then I was all in on the 1990 NFL season. That's really the year that I started like becoming like really obsessive with sports in general. Um, and that year the Giants won the Super Bowl beat the bills in Super Bowl 25 on January 27th, 1991, 20 to 19. Really great day and in the life of young Nick Costos. So, uh, yeah, really since like 1990. So I'm working on 33 years here of like die hard sports fan watching all my teams watching all sports basically on an obsessive basis. I, uh, you know, uh, in Canada, we don't get forced fed football like in America. It's really hockey and baseball. And it didn't take it took me until buying the game of Madden in like 98. So I was 11, 12 years old to really love football. Like I followed the dolphins because my uncle put me onto them and Dan Merino and all that stuff. But I didn't follow the league and love the sport until later. How long did it take you to get into sports betting? Like what was your first introduction into it? Yeah. So, um, 2004, my, so I'm almost 20 years here betting on sports. It was my senior year of college. And, you know, like, I'm like a huge sports fan. So I can naturally, I feel like a lot of my friends like all kind of like sports. Also, those kind of like want to like the things that we all bonded over. And like we would all sit around in college, especially like, especially once like we moved off campus and I went to Ford him in the Bronx. Um, we're all like sitting like watch the games have a couple beers. Maybe a couple other things and kind of like, well, it's legal here now. It's a little whatever, you know, the pot, whatever, and watch these games. And, uh, one of our friends had encountered a, a bookie. And that was kind of our first introduction. And it was, there was nothing scientific about it. And it was nothing like we, we had no idea what the best of the number was. We had no idea like what numbers were valuable. It was just, okay. Like what's the nationally televised game that's on tonight? Um, I tell a funny story. I don't, well, I think it's funny at least. Um, one of the first bets that we placed. It was Oklahoma played Oklahoma state in the fall of 2004. Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Oklahoma was unranked. Oklahoma state was ranked. And Oklahoma state was a one point favorite on the road in Norman. And I've literally, I remember having the conversation with my friends like, Oklahoma state's ranked like Oklahoma isn't. And Oklahoma state's only favor by one. Like let's bet Oklahoma state. Oklahoma ended up winning by 20. Now, obviously, Oklahoma state like could have won the game. Like it's not a great reason to make a bet. I just think it's funny. I think that's one of my first memories. So again, like it had nothing to do with actual handicap thing. It was just, what's the game that's on tonight? Do we like like a team? Do we like like a coach or whatever? And then like, and then place a bet. So this has been going on now for almost 20 years for me. How long did it take you to become an educated, better when you start to figure out a little bit more on how the real betters win and what they do? Honestly, like a long ass time. I actually think like the, the correct answer to the question. And I would pick up things kind of like here and there. And actually, I'll give a tip of the cap to Rob, right? Founder of the hammer, Paola. And this is like kind of like will be a circular answer to your question. But I started like, I was writing for bleach report in the early 2010s. And I kind of like convinced them. And so they're credit. Like it makes it sound like I like, like made them do something they didn't want to do. But at the time, it was a little taboo to let me write columns on NFL betting, right? Because I was, I've been betting for like almost a decade at that point. And odd shark, obviously a company that's based in Canada, ended up sponsoring me to go to the super contest, right? And they entered me in like a bunch of other members of the media. And I met Rob there for the first time. And like, and guys like Rob, I would sit and have conversations with and realize like, you know, I don't, I used to be like big like fade the public guy. Like big like well, like reverse line movements. It's like listen, it's, it's things that obviously like sound like sound really good to someone that doesn't know anything. And it wasn't like I'm trying to like fool people being like looking out. It just, it sounded like it was right like it's out. Wow, like this, like, like maybe like the bookmakers are trying to fool you into doing something, which is obviously nonsense, right? And you learn that as you, as you gain more information. But as time went on and I would talk to people like Rob. And I give a tip of the gap to him because obviously like you guys know him and your audience knows him really well. Like a tip of the gap to him. Other people that I dealt with as well. But it wasn't really until I started co-hosting you better. You bet with Joe Strausky was one of my original co-hosts who also, he's now host of Betql Daily on our network, who I considered me like a really sharp guy. But really it was like working with Ken, with Ken Barkley, Locky Lockers, and on a daily basis, like doing a four hour show with Ken. And I would like have a conversation with them. And I would be sitting there thinking at the time like, huh. Like I actually like, like I think I'm excellent at my actual job, right? Which is the host to show, like put a show together. But I would realize like when it comes to betting on sports, like I actually like kind of don't really understand here. And doing the show with Ken and having guests on, whether it's guys like Rob or guys like. And I'll actually leave it at Rob and not mention any others, just because like I may leave people out of not want people to get upset potentially. But we have a lot of great guests that come on the show, a lot of really sharp people. And listening to them talk about sports betting as kind of given me, like that has been my crash course. And I would hope it's been the same for our listeners and viewers that have been listening to the show for a long time, that they we've educated them as well. So it's like, you know, concurrently while we're educating our listeners and viewers and entertaining them hopefully along the way as well. Like I've been getting a great education to this as well, where I feel like I feel like I kind of like I really understand things that we could talk about what like if I'm like actually a good better or not. I think the answer is probably no. But there are reasons for that that don't have anything to do with like my understanding of like betting markets if that makes sense. Why what is it you can't help yourself with the entertainment bets? You know, Ken and I were in Vegas for the NCAA tournament this year, doing shows for you better you bet. And we were out there hanging out with two professional bettors. I won't say their names only because I don't know if they would want us to. But I think it's people that like suck people that kind of like in our circle will will know. And we were talking about like, do you think they were asking me like, do you think like if you wanted to? Like you could actually like sit and track all your bets and like try and win. Like really try and win. And I remember Ken saying and I wasn't offended in the slightest when he said this because he's right because he knows me really well. And he's like, I'm going to talk for four hours every day on the air. We talked before the show obviously planning the show. And he said like, I know you meaning me. And he goes like, you won't have the patience for it. You value your free time. So this is not to insinuate that if I like really applied myself and like really like dedicated myself to winning money betting on sports that I could. I'm not insinuating that that's the case. I think I have a really good shot of it though. And like I'm doing better. It's, you know, my my responsibility is to put on the best product I can. Put on the best show that I can. Like do I want to win my bets dull? Like of course, I don't want to lose money. Like I've done that a lot in my life. I don't want to lose money. But ultimately like I don't get judged doing content. Like a man like at the end of the season. Like did you win or lose in the NFL? It's like did. Did people like the show? Like did the audience grow out? And the answers to those questions are yes. So I find that most of my energies are devoted to that. Like do it. And I do like tons of radio interviews and like all sorts of stuff related to to content. And then like I do value my free time. So look, listen, like I try and win when I do place bets. I never like try and lose. I do place bets that I consider to be dumb sometimes. And I'll say that on the show. Like I just want to have action on the game. So I'll bet on it. And if I lose, I lose. And that's okay. Like it's an entertainment expense almost like when you go to see a movie, you pay 20 bucks, you don't get your money back at the end. But you are entertained for a couple hours. So like I try and view some of the bets I make through that prism. Like do I think I could win if I really applied myself? Probably because I think I'm a pretty smart guy. And what I'm really into something. I'm really into it. But like I'm not going to I don't BS our audience. I won't be as you were your audience. Like my income is not derived from whether or not I win my bet last night on the Yankees Nationals game. Which I did. I bet against my team and it was great. It's derived on like, am I a good host? Can I entertain? Like that's the race that I'm running is to make a lot of money doing that. And if I win money betting on sports, great. Hey, I want to talk to you about pinnacle. Pinnacle is the world's sharpest sports book and available to betters and Ontario. Find out what professional betters have known for the last 25 years. 25 years of competitive odds. Your trusted sports book. Bet smart bet pinnacle must be 19 plus an Ontario. Please play responsibly not available in the US now back to the show. You know who loves you. I had Joey Kanish on and we were doing some word association. And I gave him a bunch of names and I'm like a lot of these guys were future guests that I was thinking of. And you know, Kanish did good old Kanish, you know, gave some backhanded compliments. A little bit of a mixed bag and then I said your name. And he had nothing negative to say he said. And I'm paraphrasing but he loves you. He thinks you're a phenomenal broadcaster and that you could be he could see you one day. Like hosting those NFL pre game panels like on a top level. So Kanish loves you. I enjoy you as a broadcaster as well. When I was young, I wanted to be a lawyer. That was my dream job. But I watch movies and TV shows about court cases and trials. And I found it fascinating. And I like to debate. And then uncle gave me the harsh reality goes listen, they might make it look sexy. But a lot of being a lawyer is like minutia and like getting into the weeds of the paperwork and laws and precedents. It's not exactly what it looks like. So I didn't want to do media initially. Is media what you wanted to do when you were younger or did you discover that later in life? So I'm you know like my actually I have the picture of saved on my phone. I had forgotten about this but my mom had it and she like found it when she was moving when I was in seventh grade. I did like I wrote like this whatever this thing was like what do you want to do when you grow up? And it was basically like I want to be a broadcaster. I think at that point it was like pretty evidence even then to like 12 year old Nick that like a like I'm like five foot seven. I'm probably not going to be a pro athlete. And I really like sports and you know like I it's not at the time. I'm like I guess like I kind of knew like I was like a like a pretty I don't want to use the word gifted because I didn't think like this at the time. But it was like pretty obvious that I like my the way I speak was kind of like different from everybody else that like I grew up with. And there was a part of me that was like self conscious about that when I was younger like I'm different you know I feel like we all kind of empathize with things like that right when you grow up you think about stuff like that when you were a kid. So yeah and then when I when I went to Fordham and I hate to always kind of like used to say this but it's the truth. It was right after 9-11. It was my first semester of my freshman year in 2001. It was literally like the week or two weeks after 9-11 we had the career fair at Fordham. And when I went to Fordham I didn't even know that they had this was pretty serendipitous. The 90.7 WFU the 50,000 watt radio station and students there hosted shows and covered the teams in the area and it was just like yeah like this is like this I it's like this is it like this is this is it for me. I have an accounting degree because I was like I don't need a journalism degree if I'm going to do this like actually like get this experience. I have an accounting degree which like laughs at me it's pretty funny. I'd got like break class in case of emergency hopefully that'll never have to happen. But yeah I I kind of like always always knew that this was kind of like what I wanted to do. Yeah I ended up going back to school as a mature student 24 or 25 years old and went through Cumber Radio College. We had our own radio station same deal. I wanted to get on air and then I got the harsh news that hey you're probably going to have to not start in Toronto. You're probably not to start in a smaller market but if you were willing to be a producer to get your foot in the door. You probably could get a job in a big market so I said I'm not living I live in Toronto which is the city in the entire country. It's not like in the U.S. there's like 10 11 tent pool cities in your country Toronto is the all encompassing this it's the grand stage. So I said okay I will just start off as a producer. How long how did you get in the business did you start off as a producer and how long did you do that for? Yeah I'd say it's almost like exactly the same kind of as as what you just detailed. I feel like it's probably the same for a lot of people also. So I worked at the radio station at Fordham from basically my entire college career. I was the assistant sports manager my junior year the sports manager my senior year. I literally I want a New York State Broadcasting Award. We beat like all the big stations in New York for our live coverage of the 2004 NFL draft when the Giants traded for Eli Manning which was which was really great. And I want another broadcasting award for a future I did the Yankees and the Mets held press conferences on the same day when the Yankees had signed Randy Johnson following their collapse against the Red Sox in 2004. And the Mets introduced Carlos Beltron on the same day and I covered both press conferences on the same day. So these are just funny like the things you remember right. And my junior year I interned at WFAN which is probably like the most famous sports radio station of all time. And my senior year I interned it was the first year of sear this is pre serious XM merger serious NFL radio in 2004. So that's the first year that NFL radio existed. And when I graduated college. I actually thought I might work in a baseball front office. I was the assistant general manager of a minor league baseball team summer 2005. I had like read money ball like 15 times and I was super into saber metrics. But I decided to do media instead. And I literally had kind of the same experience that you did right like I was offered jobs in Buffalo and Green Bay. And I was basically like well like thank you but also like I was like dating a girl at the time my whole family's here. I was a little comfortable moving. So I ended up getting a job at serious where I had interned. And I wasn't even a producer at the time. I was running games and I'll try and like summarize this as quickly as possible. So if you ever listened on satellite radio and they're running like a local broadcast of a basketball game or a football game or whatever. You literally like you sit there you listen to the game. And when the local feed goes to commercial you hit a button to fade down the audio and then you play national serious commercials. And you're listening nationally you don't get to hear like the like like the like the New Jersey Toyota dealership like you're hearing serious spots right so. So that's how I started and I built my way up working in the newsroom and cutting tape a board up and eventually worked my way as a producer. So I actually feel like that experience doing all those things behind the scenes was like really invaluable to kind of like shaping me into the talent that I am today like talking on the air. Yeah, I hope that answered your question. No, it does and like that I did everything. I remember when we had like live breaking coverage of we had a terrorist attack in Canada. I worked in news. I didn't go the sports route. Even though that's what I initially went to school for. There was an opportunity in news. It was a bigger station than our sports station. So I was cutting up like 13 hours worth of audio and they're like you need to give us our best 25 minutes to submit so we can win an award. So I know exactly what you're talking about from that experience. I eventually grew as a producer ended up producing the biggest show on the station the afternoon drive show. And then I hit a point in my career as like you know what I'm stagnant here. I on air is not something that I want at this moment and I want to be the I want to be the programming director but my boss doesn't want to go anywhere. So I kind of felt like okay, I'm at an impasse here. You make the transition from producer to on air. When did you do that? Like how long ago was that? Well, I kind of got like the what I realized is I don't have the organizational skills. I think to be candid to be I mean look, I think I know content like better than like almost anybody. But like organizationally like I'm not great with that kind of stuff. So it was like should I really be like managing like a whole like team of people like probably not. I want to say kind of came to that kind of realization like I don't think I'll be great at these jobs. And I don't see myself doing that like being like the program director. You said like I know content. I just like the administrative part of that. I never want to do stuff like that ever. And once I realized that I would think okay, like I was like really good. I felt like when I was on the air in college. And at the time like I can look back on it now and be like I actually really wasn't that good. But I think I'm like pretty talented candid like I think a lot of on air people think that. But I think that I'm pretty talented. And there were some hosts that I would work with. And I would listen to the shows and be like I'm definitely better than this person. And it's like it's actually my or maybe not at this moment. I'm better but my upside is like through the roof basically. And I felt that way and I still feel that way. I think a lot of other people do do which is great. Now now it's really awesome. So at the time, Syria, I feel like I was a really good producer. And look, this is my viewpoint. And people there may feel differently. And honestly, it's like I have nothing but great experiences and great things to say about everyone I dealt with there. But like I think my my take on it is like maybe they were a little reticent to give me an opportunity. Because I was a good producer and I produce one of the most important shows. I was Adam Shines executive producer and I think the world of Adam Adams, an absolute stud on the air. So whether it was that or whether it was I actually wasn't as good as I thought I was really as immaterial. It doesn't matter. I was like I want to try and be on the air. Like I don't want to produce anymore. I felt like I had kind of like summited Killam and Jarrow. Like I produce for Adam for five years. Like the show was awesome. There's no upward trajectory. Where do I go from here? Like I felt like I produced the best sports radio show in the country. Like where do I go from here? Like where does this go? Like what do I do now? And I said to the oh I want a new challenge for myself. So I found an agent that like I met with him. And he said to me, I think you're Craig Carton. It's like okay, that's pretty awesome. Let's work together. And I ended up leaving New York and I moved to Fort Lauderdale to work for CBS Sports.com. They had just launched a gambling vertical, which is now sports line. And I kind of like was going to front that. Because I had worked for years for Bleacher Report kind of doing sports betting. So I feel like I was a big time ahead of the curve with sports betting content, which just like served me well. I feel like I'm like grandfathered into this whole thing. One of not many people that I feel like I've recognized for doing this for a long time. And from there, I've been a full-time talent now for eight years since. Yeah, eight years in October since 2015. How long have you been doing the you better you bet gig? So we started about four years ago, exactly August 2019. Like a couple of weeks before football season started. So about four like four calendar years. Okay, you said you alluded to the fact that sometimes you learn from your guests. And it's it's improved yourself as the sports better. My question is how often because a lot of your guests will come on and give you some picks. And share with the audience how often is the guest give you something so good? The next commercial break you're firing up your sports book and firing off a couple of bets that they just recommended. Yeah, well, during the commercial break never. Because I do it while they're on the air. The answer to your question is all the time speaking to them. You're firing it up and I say it on the show. I'm like, can you ask the next question so I can like make this bet. Like we're very like honest and transparent on the show how this goes. And like since and like I love canish and I appreciate that canish loves me also. I'll use it as an example like there are times when I'll look in my account and I'll see like for example. I have Texas A and M minus 37 and a half in in their first college football game and I looked at that and I said. Can we curse on the show or no can I curse and I'm like when the when the fuck did when the fuck did I place this bet and I'm oh. Canish came on the show and gave it out and I literally bet it while he was on the air like while he was on. Like there are times that and like again, like I'll mention Rob just goes to rival and has the association with Rob Rob will come on the show and like on a Thursday. And he'll give like and I think he's going to join us on Wednesdays this year. But like last year we came on Thursdays and he would give an angle like on like a total that like Ken or I hadn't considered. And I just be like, well, that sounds really good. I'm going to bet this right now. And I'll bet it so like the answer to your question is actually like all the time that that happens all the time. Hey, the easiest way to improve as a sports better is use multiple sports books and always get the best odds. We recommend using an odds comparison tool like bet stamp. Bet stamp compares odds across every sports book for games futures and player props save time and money by checking bet stamp before you bet. Download the app today. If you're looking to sign up for a new sports book account, please check out the offers available at bet stamp dot app forward slash circles off or hit the link in the description. If you sign up through this page, it helps support the show now back to the rest of the episode. Oh, yeah, I want to paint a picture for you. Okay. 1994, the Toronto launches the fan 590 brand new sports station going to be the premier talk radio sports station in the country. But in 94 we had a baseball strike M.O.B. NHL lockout and we want to have Yankees exposed in the world series that year is unfortunate. And the Raptors don't exist. So basketball is not a blooming thing in Canada yet. And I mentioned that footballs again, it's not adopted right away when you're young. So this is a brand new sports station launching and trying to make content when there isn't much content to make. And I say this because pandemic hits in 2020 and we've got a couple months where there's nothing to bet on. Unless you're looking at like table tennis and Russian ping pong at 3 a.m. What did you guys do during the pandemic? Well, actually, it's we I got furloughed for a while because at the time, you know, I'll try to keep this as short as possible. It's kind of like a crazy situation and like it actually everything turned out like awesome. But there was it was really touch and go for a while. So you have to consider also like the timing of the show. So we started in August 2019 and we're gearing up for the NCAA tournament. And like we had like the show was not doing the numbers that it does now obviously because we had just started. But like it was already kind of recognized by the company that like we we had done well. Like the show had done well enough that like we were gaining momentum and that they were behind us. So pandemic happens obviously before like the big the first biggest tournament game. St. John's I forget who they were playing me was the whatever it doesn't matter. And the show ends up getting like put on leave right and I get furloughed and free will don't know what furlough means. It means like you're not going to get paid for a while while we kind of figure out what's going on. And it was I ended up actually hosting a couple like as the NFL draft happens and they let I hosted like an NFL draft show basically with Ross talker who I've known for a really long time. But there was like I was offered like six weeks without getting paid and I'm not trying to like this is not like a woe is me a lot of people had it a lot worse than I did. It actually was like really relaxing time besides for like the existential dread like as my career over like our sports over coming back as the world going to end. Yeah, but like it was actually like a really relaxing time. As things started to come back, you know, we actually ended up doing like a soccer and golf podcast for a while like that's what it was. And we weren't live we just do a podcast like I don't even remember if it was five days or we could just like drag sincerely don't remember. And then once like this board started coming back we started ramping back up and doing and doing live shows and I'll give my company a ton of credit. They signed me to a deal then that they kind of like bet on me and like they won the bet like I won the bet for them but like I give them credit like they made the bet they didn't have to do it. And the kind of like saw like where all of this was going. And the show kind of like took off from there which is awesome and it's a credit to like to Ken my co host obviously who I think the world of and are behind the scenes crew and me selfishly of course also. But yeah like I didn't work for a while and then we did like soccer and golf was like literally a soccer and golf podcast for like probably six weeks. Nick I used to make fun of buddies that watch NASCAR and I used to say I don't care to watch four hours of left hand turns that was always my shot that I would take at them. And after pandemic NASCAR was actually one of the first sports back along with UFC and golf and let me tell you I really got into NASCAR because I needed something to watch just from an entertainment perspective. Are you still capable of watching sports if you don't have money on it or if you're not a fan because I find sports betting can change how people enjoy sports in their fandom of the actual game itself. Yeah I can it's not the same as it used to be we do this on the show sometimes and I don't know if it's good or bad I think it's probably a combination of both. And it's not just sports betting it's like working in this industry and I feel like unless like you work in the industry maybe you can't not that it's like a terrible like a hard concept to grasp but like when I worked for NFL radio for instance right and I grew up. Die hard fan of all my teams but specifically of the New York football giants row it they've always been my favorite team but then like you work for NFL radio like I did for a decade. And what you learn is hey like the Philadelphia Eagles public relations staff is like the best in the league and when it comes down to it like they help me all the time. So when the Eagles are good it makes my life easier and like I like all these people or like different PR staffs and like you find yourself rooting for like for that as opposed to your team potentially right. So that kind of eroded my fandom to a degree and sports betting is like annihilated my fandom where like I bet I bet against the Yankees last night. I I do bet against the Giants I don't like to but like I do if I feel like it's like a good bet to make so sports betting definitely kind of like kind of like crush what was the original question I got like sidetracked there talking about sports. He's still enjoying watching sports. Yeah so yeah like um yes but football because I even if I don't bet on a game a football game I play so much fantasy football. And I do so many profits and I play DFS that every single play of every single game matters to me in some way shape or form. So you've had a bet on a game like football I've always got something going on. But like can I sit and watch a basketball game and enjoy it like yeah can I sit and watch a soccer game and enjoy it if I don't have money on it. Definitely but I think the thing that's also different and I think people can kind of commiserate with this because it's the human condition like I just got married right. And as I've gotten older you know like I used to like just like do nothing but like sit on like a Saturday could be a beautiful day out but I'm going to sit on my ass and I'm going to watch sports because I love sports. Like now like I want to go outside and enjoy myself and like sit in the sun and like have a drink and sit with my wife or sit with my friends and really just enjoy my time. So it's just like it's just different now as I've gotten older so like can I sit and watch a game if I don't have money on it. Yes like I can do I want to maybe not but yeah I think I still can. I imagine it changes things on like Christmas now where it's like sports overload. Before the married life you're probably like I'm setting in for 12 hours of sports and just and now it's like no no I've got a wife and we got to do some family things and. Well I'll give you an example and I'm sorry to interrupt but like I think people will will will appreciate this. I say this on the show so it's not like I'm like breaking news here that I don't talk about on the show. You know when a college football I I will do some degree of handicapping during the week. I do I place bets but largely the bets that I place are like can like this a condition will come on and give bets like I'll bet them other guests we have on will give college football bets. I think like in 2019 my my now wife and I started dating early in 2019 and the first year and also in 2020 because we moved in together in 2020 prior to football season. And I would like get ready to watch college football on a Saturday and she'd say like you know like you work six days a week now. And I'm going to give you Sundays basically because like the NFL's the NFL and it's a my it's also like my favorite thing but she's like. I I I don't watch college football on Saturdays like I can't. I work during football season I work for Monday through Friday and I work all day Sunday and on Monday night I watch Monday night football on Thursday night I watch Thursday night football. I watch every single NFL game I have to have some time for my wife I have to have some time for me and for my sanity. I literally ponds college football like I don't I can't I actually like I can't like the thought of it like makes me want to kill myself to be like I I have to sit on Saturday and watch. Fucking you know USC Washington State I can't do it I just can't and that's something that I've as I've gotten older I feel like that's a sign of maturity I think. But that's why like 10 tens of stud with college football and we have break guests that come on and do it. So I could be like and I can entertain and I can set people up like I don't lie to the audience like I'm not sitting while I actually and I hope people can appreciate the real life aspect of this and I hope that makes sense to people. For sure for sure you admire your big blue giants. I also have affinity for them. I love the mannings. They are my favorite football family of all time. I love Eli. I think he's an undisputed first ballot Hall of Famer. I hate the stick that he gets because I believe that he showed in two different seasons when he wanted to gear up. I want to become the most clutch quarterback and lead all kinds of fourth quarter drives when they weren't the favorite team. I want to do some rapid fire questions with you. I didn't send these to you in advance. But out because I wanted your honest reaction in the moment. Let's start with the first one which athlete that wasn't on your team. Are you happy to see them finally get a ring? Oh, I guess like the first one that comes to I was I was really happy when when the Mavericks beat the heat in 2011 and dirt got his ring. That's that's probably the first one that comes to mind. Also like I hated the 49ers growing up because they were rivals with the Giants. But I have family in San Francisco and like they are huge Niners fans when the Niners beat the chargers and like Steve Young got his ring. I like that a lot. Those are like two that I think those are those are probably the two that that come first like first to mind for me. For me was Peyton just finally getting you know the pressure off his back and all those years of failure. My next question is what current athlete today doesn't have a ring that you desk or it could be a coach that you desperately want to see win one. Oh man. That I desperately want to see win one. I think it would be cool of Buffalo one. And like and like I I don't think they're going to win this year so it's not like I'm like I wanted for my wallet or anything but such a great fan base. I think Alan's awesome I think McDermott's awesome I think it would be cool if I'd like to see the bills when a Super Bowl. I'd like to see Kyle Shanahan when one I love him I think he's outside of Andy Reed maybe the most brilliant offensive mind we've ever seen as far as play designing and mentoring the other people that have came underneath them. And I'm dying to see him finally win a ring just to especially because he's been to a Super Bowl as a head coach in an offensive coordinator and they fell short. What's your most controversial sports opinion that you're willing to die on a hill for. I don't know like do I do I even have one kind of I don't I don't know if I if I have like a controversial one. I don't know. I guess like Eli's the first you agree with my Eli take is I mean you will be the two guys on the hill like like like is that even like a controversial take or no. I think for all people outside in New York it is controversial but unless you're an Eli and Manning fanboy or in New York I think we all agree about Eli's greatness. I think I don't know if this is controversial but it's one I always think about I think that the that the 2009 Vikings might be are kind of like forgotten in history because they didn't even make the Super Bowl. That's the far Vikings that lost to the Saints in the title game age repeaters and fumbled like three times in the game far through the pick the Tracy Porter and overtime. I think like I think like that's like the best team one of the best teams ever. I think they would have throttled the Colts in the Super Bowl throttled paid in the Colts and I think they were better than New Orleans. That's always like the big like miss that I think of in sports is that Vikings team not winning and there's a fun betting application of this I watch that game with all my friends the 2009 NFC title game. The Saints were three and a half point favorites all my friends bet the Saints lay that with three and a half the Saints I bet the Vikings money line the Saints one by three we all lost. That sounds so gross but that's what happens all right. A celebrity you're pretty confident that if you had a boxing match with you could beat. I don't know man I'm not really I'm in pretty good shape these days but I'm not really big. I feel like I knock out Justin Bieber I feel like we're like the same height I feel like I knock his ass out. I like his music though. What would you rather be a Hall of Fame player that never wins a ring let's say Dan Merino or a non Hall of Famer who won the Super Bowl let's say Trent Dilfer. Marino I would I so like you know a lot of people that do kind of like what we do for a living this is not a criticism at all just like people are different and I I used to be like this. I think a lot of people like really like the spotlight and the limelight and they want to be seen and they want to be like like man or woman about town and like again I'm not criticizing it's not just people are different and I used to be like that a little bit. The only thing I really care about now I want to put on a good product and I do like to perform so I do like that. If like and this is not to denigrate like fast food but like if McDonald's or Burger King offered me more money than I'm making right now to work less I would do it so like so like like Marino made a lot more money than Trent Dilfer and he's in the Hall of Fame I'd rather be a Marino. And he still makes money and he still makes money now correct you know Nick it's the old saying find me a broadcaster without an eagle and I'll find you. It's an unsuccessful broadcaster right everyone everyone has a little bit in them and you have to because you are a personality what's the athlete you wish you got to see live. Oh man really good question the athlete I wish I got to see live I feel like I would have loved like Darryl Lemonica with the Raiders back in the day the mad bomber when like the AFL started to proliferate and like or like the Don Coriel Chargers where like you first got like the aerial attack in the NFL I feel like would have been really fun. I also like always like I love NFL history and like Rob and I have done like trivia contest and so I love all this stuff. I love like the Madden Raiders teams from the 70s I would wish I could have seen like the Raiders battle like the Steelers and like the dolphins in the 70s I feel like would have been an absolute blast also like I'm I think I gave you like a really terrible like controversial sports opinion and I'm trying to like think of one right now. So I think I gave I was like a really lame answer I gave no worries I haven't given mine because it's coming up in a couple of questions. The athlete I wish I could have seen live was Muhammad Ali I love boxing and I think nothing and this goes for all sports right NFL to me is the king overall overall everything presentation Super Bowl you name it there's nothing bigger than big boxing when you get the fight of the year the fight of the decade. There there's an electricity that you cannot describe and I love it I'm a huge fan of boxing dinner with any three people in the history of the earth. I don't know Jesus yeah I would too. I think that I think I probably just be good with you probably just be good with Jesus thing probably I don't know I don't really have I don't have a great answer. My my first question is Jesus would be why did you bless Tom Brady with everything in life. I don't really like think of I'm sorry that I'm not giving you a great answer there I don't know if I like think of things in those terms kind of yeah yeah all right well do you ever get star struck because when you get into media you learn pretty fast that you see a lot of celebrities and everything and you learn at least some people do in myself I don't get star struck anymore. There are one or two people that would get me star struck in person but do you still get do you get star struck so when I worked at serious XM one of the cool things about it was like you know I get celebrities would be there every day and they would do like the car wash right they do a ton of different interviews promoting their movie TV show musicians or whatever so it would be like literally nothing and this is not said braggadociously it's just like and I was like kind of like a low level employee there's not like I was like super important like you go to like go to like the men's room to like to take a piss or whatever and there's like John Travolta's next to you. Okay like cool take the elevator downstairs Kim Kardashian's there like her entourage like no big deal it was kind of like no big deal. So like when my wife and I got back from our honeymoon couple of her cousins live like have a Hampton's house right and like really affluent area of like Long Island New York and like we were there for the weekends and Eli Manning that's funny that you brought him up. Eli's just there like shopping at one of the stores I think we were in East Hampton and Gwyneth Paltrow was in the next store that we went to and everyone's like oh my god and I'm just like yeah whatever. So look like if I were like not like regular dude implying that I'm like not a regular dude because I am if I worked in a different profession and I was never around famous people like I'd probably be like oh my Eli oh my I've been Eli before I've interviewed so whatever so no I don't get star struck but that's more a function of me like being around a lot of celebrities in the past it doesn't it's not that it doesn't move the needle for me it's just like you realize when you deal with famous people whether it's athletes or otherwise they're just like regular people they're just like us they just happen to like do this yeah whatever they do Kayla Presley the guy that does Sunday mornings on bar stool described Hasbola as his white whale the one interview that he wanted more than anybody else who's your white whale what's the one interview that you have not done that you are dying to do interviews don't really like do it from I like interviewing but like it's not like my favorite thing like I don't think I don't know that anyone whatever say like hey like let's have let's give Nick Costos an interview podcast I don't really know if I think I'm more of a performer than like a question asker I don't know I think like probably I honestly like I love to interview like Kyle Shanahan and ask and just as literally just talk about like football build out Bill Bellachack like I part cells but probably build part cells honestly for those are your other dinner guests next to Jesus right yeah I would say like maybe we do like maybe we do like Jesus maybe we do like part cells is alive obviously still I mean part cells would be really awesome and then maybe like a how about but we'd have to have someone to translate for him maybe a Shigeru Miyamoto who invented basically Mario and Zelda and all the Nintendo characters I think that would be awesome that you know I don't think if you asked everybody on the face of this earth I don't think anybody would repeat those three as their options last one rapid fire Peyton Manning was better than Tom Brady period sorry that was a statement that is my most controversial hill that I'm willing to die on that at controversial it's just a great but it's not that controversial at their peaks Peyton Manning was better I mean he has five MVP's and Tom has three so on five separate occasions he was the best player in the in the league if not more than that Tom Brady's greatness came from everything he did after 38 years old he was still playing at a level that's that's an ass in statements it's actually just like factually incorrect which which that Brady's like all of the game after he was 30 no I don't I mean he he ended the argument post 38 like when he was still playing at a level at a level that you couldn't comprehend at 41 he's still playing at MVP level what I mean at their actual peaks like Peyton Manning still has the record for the most passing touchdowns in a season and passing yards in a season he took four different head coaches to a Super Bowl nobody's ever done that he was the first quarterback to ever win a Super Bowl with two separate teams like there there's a ton of accolades from an individual perspective that would you would you rather have at the end of a game Eli or Peyton Manning here Eli or Peyton Manning yeah Peyton but just because I believe in long term greatness that being said I believe Peyton has the Kyle Shanahan thing where they're so brilliant that sometimes they get a little bit too smart or too good for themselves on the final drive when it matters whereas you have to be a little bit more robotic and understand it's just you just continue to do what put you in that position my my opinion and I appreciate you saying it and it's something that a lot of people are passionate about so I'm not like denigrating it I like it's like the LeBron Jordan debate like it's not in an insult to Peyton Manning to say like he's not as good as Tom Brady and it's not an insult to LeBron James to say he's not as good as Michael Jordan so like I take Brady over Peyton and I don't think it's like particularly close and that's and it's not an insult Peyton's probably the second best quarterback I've ever seen play Brady's the best and and like I don't care I'm not a Boston guy I'm not a Patriots fan of a Giants fan I'm just like it's called it like you see it yeah you know what the parallels are incredible too right like Peyton and LeBron were they were the system they were the head coach anywhere they went success was going to follow not that I'm but Brady and Jordan got to live under another great coach for a lot of their careers in a system and they were taught all the right things Nick my revenge tour in football is I tell everybody that Patrick Holmes is everything you guys pretended Tom Brady was for so long because he has the Peyton Manning I don't like but like this is like I'm a I'm a Miami Dolphin fan so this place so you're it so you should just say like you should be like my name is George and I'm a hater that's okay you can do it but you should say that you know you know here's the problem right like Peyton Manning no no no no just just listen hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on a second I think you'll feel a lot better if you just say my name is George and I'm a hater it's okay because you are yeah you should just say it out I don't know where I am I hate Tom Brady oh when I got a controversial sports take for you all right good now we're okay you're right yeah I actually I think that Steve Young is the best quarterback of his generation I think he's better than Ackman I think he's better than Farve I think there's a case that like young is like one of like the three or four best quarterbacks ever I think like he's on the Peyton Manning like Tom Brady tier and and like and he's definitely better than Montana and Montana was great and it's not an insult to Joe Montana but actually watching and like he only had the one Super Bowl so people will point to that and they lost to the Cowboys a couple times in championship games they only got the only one the one I I think Young was definitely better than Farve he's definitely better than Ackman and I think he's like on that tier with like Brady and Manning and I know it's weird to say that an actually like an actual first ballot Hall of Fame quarterback is underrated I actually think Steve Young is way underrated for like how great he actually was I love it you get enough Greeks in a room for long enough and the hot takes will eventually start flying um let's get out of the rapid fire just a few more questions and it falls coming up you love it I love it Sunday is my like church service everything about it football season what's one team that you think will surprise people this year that the market's completely wrong on it either in a good or bad way yeah um you know I think a lot of people kind of like agree on this doing like this board spending content space I will say that Ken and I were doing this in like February and March not that we are the originators or that people are copying us just that like we had this a while ago because I feel like some people may hear this and be like oh well everyone's saying this now I felt like this for a long time with Green Bay um and the question that we've been asking this whole off season is like what if Jordan loves good and like and you acknowledge those of downside also like if Jordan loves bad let's say he's really bad like they could win like four games this year they could be brutal but if he's good and I kind of felt like even before the couple of pretty season games which he's played very well in like the Eagle game last year when he came in on on Sunday at football against Philly and like played really well in a tough spot on the road in prime time right I was kind of like okay like I kind of think this guy's good um I think the coach is awesome and I know people say oh look at rogers he also like wins a million games like I don't think you can like win that any games and like be a bad coach even if you have like really good players just just my opinion so like if love is good and I think he is like you tell me this team's not going eight nine they can't go nine and eight and I'll even make the case in a week division in a week conference what like their ceiling is to win go like 12 and five with that roster if love is good so again like the whole thing and I'll never come on the show and be like the show or my show or any show and say this is a lock I guarantee of course the bet could lose he can be bad and they could be terrible right so but this is kind of how I want to play win toes it's kind of the one of the things that I've learned from our guests it's not like I was said at this piphany and be like oh wow this is how I should do it it's from listening to really smart people like betting win totals like there are teams that are very likely to finish either like on their win total or like one or one more or one less right I think playing into volatility with win totals where like green bay they could win four they could win 13 like that's a win total that I'd want to play over would be the packer so or or and there are teams that you could do the opposite with as well obviously green bay would be the team and like I very much look forward to for them beating the bears in week one is funny I was talking with hitman on a podcast last week and I said give us like what's the best value on the border and I said don't repeat the packers for the 87th time because that's what everybody's saying and here's the thing I was screaming about it in March and April as well like I've been like early goer on green bay I didn't realize you guys were even before me and I've and it's like everybody now is adopting but I'm like no no no I was asking a lot of those same questions a lot earlier I'm like there's this isn't a disaster situation people also forget matle floor walked in and like rejuvenated Aaron Rogers career because for a couple years he looked like he was floundering was still under you still right there was no more upward trajectory and like he brings him he wants to MVP's under matle floor like he put some new life into him all right one last question Nick and also just like on the packers thing it's not like that we all have to be right it's just that like we have identified like a potential like the market is wrong here on this and there's like an actual tangible thing that you can point to and like you could say this about Washington with howl you could say this about Atlanta with Desmond Ritter like if you believe in these quarterbacks like and they're going to be good they're going over these wind totals I've just identified because I feel the best about love of the three that's why I've identified and also the coach has the pedigree not that Rivera doesn't but and I like the packers roster better than Washington's yeah I said the same about Kenny picket as well I tweeted out it was like it's not just bedding or guessing on the quarterbacks talent it's situational right coaching staff good pieces Jordan loves been in this office for for three years he's been learning the language it's not all brand new culture shock for him or like I remember I got another controversial take for you all right keep going I said this last year on you better you bet and I'll hold to it Kenny picket young Eli Manning I love it because he's a he's he doesn't like consistently do it but man he's a gamer when it matters he's got shit the bed for 55 minutes and then in the final five minutes of the game when you need to talk like the magic yeah like you're like you're down by four with a minute 50 to play in two time outs he's going to go down the field and score touchdown and win the game I love it okay Nick I know my long-term aspirations and goals in media what are yours I want to get paid the most amount of money to do the least amount of work I love that no you don't have a dream media job that you like money aside is there a dream media situation that you want to do like is it hosting a Sunday morning NFL countdown show like for ESPN or one of the big networks I don't want to take off your current employers or anything like that but do you have is there ever a job that you thought you want to be that person yeah like I I love you better you bet like we basically have creative freedom to do whatever we want like Ken and I literally like we plan the show like it's out like we do the content for the show no one steps in and tells us what to do um and it's really great um yeah like I I when I was at CBS I hosted um fantasy football today on Sunday mornings with Jamie Eisenberg and Pete Prisco and Will Brinson and Dave Richard Heath Cummings and some of the other guys there and it was kind of at the time was like a hybrid more slanted towards fantasy but like a fantasy betting show so like when you ask like like listen if like like Fox came to me and like hey we want you to host the NFL today and we're gonna pay you X amount of dollars I'd be like yeah of course but my I guess the cool thing would be and I do this now on Sunday mornings this is what our show actually is just beyond television right I I think like that like television and a lot of people will agree with this is missing the boat big time where there should be a dedicated NFL pregame show that is betting fantasy etc um and it's obvious right it's not even like wow I can't believe Nick said that he's so right like who wouldn't think that oh oh I'll give you one if there were ever I I try not to say things like this I try and like things are subjective right there are people that don't like sushi people some people don't like pizza not everyone needs to think that I'm that I'm really good people can listen to me and not like it that's fine that's like that that anybody um if there were ever an NFL betting red zone channel I mean this sincerely it doesn't mean that like I would have to get hired for it there's no one on this planet that would be better at that job than me nobody absolutely nobody so I guess like that would be like if there were NFL betting red zone words NFL red zone but for bets sides and totals tracking all of this so like a real innocuous game where like the game is decided but there's total drama or they're a team trying to backdoor at the end and it has no impact on the actual result of the game we would cover it like it was game seven of the world series like that would be I think I would I am like I think I may have been put on this earth to do that Nick I told Captain Jack I think the future of gambling media is a dedicated channel 24 hour coverage obviously the overnight will be reruns of programs but like that's one of the ideas during the games active odd screens telling you what's going on oh that's an injury how how's the line's gonna shift I even think there's an hour program where you know you watch CNBC and a guy comes on and tells you these three stocks I want to buy what player stocks are you buying which which ones are teams are undervalued by market right now which ones are you selling right now I think of media in that sense the job that I would want though is if Rich Eisen ever wants to retire I would be happy to do Rich Eisen's job I love him as a broadcaster he's a stud he is and I love everything then I fell draft the podcast everything I'm I am a fan of media and the art media and I've learned to to love it and that's that's why I enjoyed and thank you for coming on today Nick oh you you had a couple of questions you didn't get to I feel like what did you understand me you know what I I wanted to be mindful of your time was there anything that I sent you that you wanted to oh you know what I I asked you a contest are you going to be joining any of the big super contests or circus or survivors do you do a lot of the contest stuff yeah um the answer to that question is going to be yes um but we're going to do like stuff on I'd rather not say it here because we're going to like do it on the show coming up okay because there's like something that hasn't been like announced yet that we're going to announce on the show well we'll be uh uh we're this uh we'll probably come out the Monday of football season so you probably will be out by the it will it may not be at that okay we'll we'll play it safe uh Nick thank you so much man I appreciate it oh can I give it because only because I wanted to say one other thing I'm like because you had a question about the general state of sports betting meeting oh yes yes yes um I know like a lot I I just like my thought is like I don't care about any of it um I know like a lot of people really do um and I just don't um I want to like do my show and I think the thing that people like about the show is that I think we're just like who we are on the air like I am with you now or like we are like we can and I are off the air um we shoot it straight we tell it like it is we try and do the best job possible try and be as authentic as possible I think I'm really honest in the way I kind of present myself like I'm never going to come on and be like hey I'm pro gambler and it costos I went all the time I don't um long term I'm definitely down I'm definitely not up or the last couple of years would be better but definitely definitely not off long term so try and present myself as as honestly as I can and I think people really like that and then I'm just like kind of let the chips fall where they may and like there's always going to be stuff yeah like there's stuff that I see you where I'm just like like really like this is kind of how people are presenting themselves and you know it just kind of is what it is and I try not to get like caught up into it so I just want to get keep there there's an audience for everybody I don't like when people misrepresent themselves that that bothers me well like I guess like my thought would be like I don't either but like there's this is just my opinion and I know like there are a lot of people that feel opposite of this and like I'm friends with a lot of these people and it's not like meaning that they have to feel the same way that I do I just feel like it's never like it's net this is these are human beings like it's actually never going to not be this it's always it's always going to be this people are always going to be frauds and hucksters and and carnival barkers and present themselves as being something they're not um I try and be like okay like this person is probably and look I maybe I'm being a little optimistic here like everyone's trying to I also don't have to do that stuff because I feel like my show is kind of recognized that I'm kind of recognized already maybe it feels differently if I weren't if you're like how do I get attention well maybe it's by you know I'm like nine and one in my last 10 minutes ignoring that you know I picked like an arbitrary sample size and maybe I lost my last eight prior to the last 10 that I fit for example right um I just I don't think there's anything to be done about it and I just try not to I try not to let it bother me and it's difficult it is difficult sometimes I feel like that's like a really hot button issue um that I know a lot of people have this wrong take on my take is I do get bothered there is a lot of bullshit that goes on I also like I can't let it like impact my life because it's just like there's too much I I'm trying to like focus on other shit that's me I'm not trying to soapbox anything or anyone now I I also I just I love my life too much to care about uh what other people are doing like I I've never been I'm mind my business I I'm the least uh curious person when someone says hey did you hear about this person I said no I don't care it's this isn't gonna affect my my life in a positive or negative way and I don't want uh to receive any of the gossip and you know what they always say Nick the guy who says they won nine of their last 10 bets that just means their 11th bet was a loser otherwise they would have included of course absolutely and like that's why like I there were a couple years and like I'm guilty of this the couple you like I would like tweet like all my winners on an NFL Sunday and then like I would see like oh everyone's doing this it's kind of like also like then what happens okay so it's really great I have an NFL Sunday where I go like eight and three on sides and I have a winning prop day and like I hit a bunch of anytime touch down long shots wow it's really great and like yeah like people really like it but then like okay what happens the next Sunday if I go three and eight and the props lose like now what now what do I do so my MO now is I don't tweet about any of it we talk about it on the show so like we lose we talk about it on the show we win we talk about it on the show and I I'm just like I'm trying not to put any of that shit on social media now because it you can you'll never you'll never please people never ever ever never so I'm not gonna try you alluded to the show tell people you better you bet where they can find it how they can listen what times of the day yeah so we're on three to seven PM Eastern Monday through Friday once football season starts which is if it unofficially the Tuesday after Labor Day we are on Monday through Friday three to seven then we are on Sunday mornings 11 a.m. to one PM Eastern leading you right up until kickoff literally I do tons of radio interviews throughout the week as well I'll have some other cool announcements of stuff that I'll be doing which I can't say now but we'll get announced at some point over the next couple weeks prior to the season but search you better you bet wherever you find your podcasts you can find us on the Odyssey app you can find us on YouTube you can find us on Twitch and we're on tons of radio stations nationwide I would list all of them but I don't know them all and it would be really cumbersome Nick thank you so much for doing this appreciate it I'll leave you with my catchphrase wishing everybody minimal sweats when he bets the absolute very best of luck hey that's it for me another edition of 90 degrees is in the books I want to thank my guest Nick Costas post of you better you bet the sponsors of this podcast pinnacle and betstand and my producer Jason Cooper thanks for listening do me a favor before you go I want you to like the content subscribe share and comment we'll be back next week with another guest on the 90 degrees podcast where we give an inside look into the sports betting industry that's it for me hope you enjoyed until next time