90 Degrees EP #54 How To Watch & Analyze NFL Film Like A Pro Powered by Pinnacle

On this week's episode of 90 degrees, how to watch film like a pro, which team is worse than their stats say, and is there any hope for a Bryce young turnaround? That and more on today's episode of 90 degrees. Welcome to the 90 degrees podcast where we take an insight look into the football sports betting industry. My guest today is Ted Wynn. You probably are familiar with his work on Twitter. He's always posting about game film, staff writer for the athletic co-host of the state of the nation podcast. Ted, thanks so much for doing this. Yeah, no problem, thanks for having me on. Ted, I wanted to know like, what was your introduction to football? Do you remember how old you were when you got into it? You know, my family were, they were all nine or fans when I was growing over from the Bay area. So, you know, they were always catching the games and, you know, it was Steve Young and Jeff Garcia, Tara Owens, and I kind of reveled. I became a Raiders fan because I liked their colors and, you know, my family were all cheering for the Niners and I would just, you know, sneak off and watch the Raiders games. And then I played football, I played a little bit of football, Peony football, middle school, and then I played high school ball, and I coached high school ball for a while. And then now I'm writing about it. I want to, I actually want to talk to you about the coaching aspect, but what did you play when you first started? What positions? When I first started, I was a receiver and then they moved me to quarterback and I played quarterback ever since. Were you a dual threat quarterback? I mean, we were an option offense. So, we barely threw the ball. Yeah, we threw the ball maybe three times, four times the game. So, it was like another running back, basically. Yeah, I was not only did I play right guard like Richie and Cognito. I also played with his mean streak. And it would, yeah, so I would take every, I would take every play after the whistle. I pushed the line and would get several warnings throughout the game. What do you love about the sport of football? I love it for like so many reasons. I think it's, it's like physical chess. Every play you got to, you know, an offensive play gets drawn up in a defensive play and you're trying to beat a tendency and it's situational. Like I love the strategy that goes into it whereas basketball and hockey at times is just free-flowing reactionary stuff. And football is very, as much as the action is important, the play calling and everything like that is also super important. Yeah, I mean, it's super tactical because every position is so different. It's not like basketball where yeah, a center and guard are different, but at the same time they're all playing the same sport. You know, if football is almost like you're playing a different sport, you know, if you're old lineman, defensive lineman, you know, you have a different physical skill set and different techniques and different goals and then, you know, if you're a receiver defensive back, you have different goals, but then you all mesh that together and, you know, you play another team and the start and stop component of it, you know, it makes it so that basically every snap is a whole different strategy, you know, and that's what makes it so fascinating to me and it's the most complicated game in the world, I think and, you know, I think that's why so many people love it. Yeah, I'm with you. I watched Friday Night Lights, the movie and the TV show and after watching the TV show, I swear I was going to move to Texas and become a high school football coach. I'm very impressionable. I love the idea of like coaching people and that are learning the sport, especially at that age group. They don't, you know, by the time they get to the pros or college, they understand the rules. You're still teaching them how to play each position as well as, you know, how to optimally perform in a game. What attracted you to being a high school football coach? You know, I know I knew I wasn't good enough to play college and I still wanted to be involved in a game. So my high school coach actually asked me to come back and help out a little bit and that's where it all started. Does that flame still burn for you or is that in a past life? No, definitely, but it just coaching takes so much time like all these high school coaches are still underpaid. When it comes to how much time they put in and some of them are going to get paid, you know, and like sometimes you could put in, you know, a 40-hour work week and at the end of the season, the full season, you've got like a, you know, $2,000, $3,000 stipend, you know? So it's like, it's difficult, you know, like I love doing it and I, you know, when you do it, it's not even for the money, but it just takes so much time and, you know, when you work in my job where we have deadlines and we have to pay attention to everything, it's hard to put that much time into it. Sure. I remember when I decided to go to journalism school, a broadcasting for radio. I wanted to be around sports. New, I was never going to have a career playing in sports. So I said, how can I still be involved in that world? When do you decide you want to get into the world of journalism? Do you decide at a young age do you, do you discover it later in life? You know, it was always something that I was interested in, but I just never saw an avenue towards reaching that goal. I was an English major in college, but I don't know, I just never saw a pathway to doing it. I just always thought it was so impossible because, you know, there's so many people who want to talk about football, so many people want to do this that I just thought it'd be impossible. So I just started a blog. I was doing just a fun and the blog got more and more popular and then, you know, before I knew it, the athletic, I mean, I mean, I stayed before I knew it, but it was like a couple of years of just writing for very minimal pay, you know, and just trying to work my way through the industry and then the athletic called me one day and asked me to do a contract job with them and I took that job and then it became a full-time job after a while. Once upon a time being a sports writer was like the glory days, right? Like 80s, 90s, you could get away with just writing for a newspaper and you can make a really good living and now they preach, you know, you got to be multiple, you got to do podcasts and you got to do appearances. Do you prefer the writing aspect and then see the media as, you know, additional or something that you have to do? Or do you actually like the on-camera stuff and the writing is just also part of it? I mean, I love the writing part. I don't think I'll ever give that up, but I think today you have to be multifaceted. You know, you have to be able to do radio, you have to be able to do podcasts, you have to be able to do TV stints if, you know, if you get that opportunity. And, you know, I think when I first started, I was pretty bad at doing anything live, you know, I just get so nervous and just, you know, especially my first few radio appearances on like my favorite radio station all sent into calling asking me to come on, you know, but after a while, after like many reps, you know, I feel like I'm not great yet, but I feel like I've gotten more comfortable. So I think if you want to be in this profession, you have to be able to do multiple things and be versatile. You know, they taught us in broadcasting school. You got to lose your fandom a little bit when you become a journalist. You are a Raiders fan growing up. You do a podcast that talks about the Raiders. Do you, do you find that it hinders you or are you still capable of being a fan and still doing a great job as a broadcaster? I think you, you know, people have to know that even if you do go that fan route, it's, I think it is a little harder. I mean, it's, it's easier in a sense that you will be able to connect to the fan base very quickly because there's other fans that are going to want to hear from you from a fan perspective. That's just a little, you know, more put together, I suppose. But it limits you. It's a ceiling to that because people are really going to taking seriously as a serious journalist, you know, they're always saying I think you have that fan angle. And, you know, unless you could separate yourself from that fan angle and show that you're objective, then there's going to be a ceiling when you, if you, if you do decide to take that, that angle towards the media. I want to talk to you about pinnacle. They're the World Sharper Sportsbook and available to betters an Ontario. Find out what the pros have known for the last 25 years. Every day competitive odds, your trusted sports book, Bet smart, bet pinnacle, must be 19 plus an Ontario, please play responsibly, not available in the US. Now back to the show. Yeah, I follow for each team, you know, four or five beat writers and some of the beat reporters, some of them are fans. Some go the other way, like they will purposely rile up the fan base by maybe taking the most, you know, pessimistic look at current state of affairs. And then there's the ones that you could tell are just straight nuts and bolts. Here's the, here's the facts. I'll leave, I'll leave a lot of my opinion out of it. I got, you know, I found your account because you post clips of film. I love seeing it guys like, you know, Benjamin Solack, Robert Mays, Nate Tyson. I admire people who watch film and break it down and give people an inside look. How much film are you watching on any given day or week? You know, it's a lot more earlier in a week when the film comes out. So, you know, Monday morning is when it comes out. So I'm just trying to watch as much as I can on Monday, Monday and Tuesday are pretty much like, you know, no free time type of days where I'm watching film, I'm trying to write, you know, and I'm doing, you know, radio appearances and all that stuff. So it's a mix, you know, I don't know exactly how to separate my film watching time with my writing and all of the duties that, you know, the job has. But I would say Monday and Tuesday is just like, you know, from morning to 2 a.m. or whatever it's all done. Yeah, Monday is my day as well to catch up on the games that I haven't watched. But I'm not watching all 22 and specifics. I'm looking more so for game flow and maybe some things that are not captured by the stats at the end of the day. I, one of the most fascinating podcasts I ever heard was someone describing what a scout does on their, you know, weekly, on their weekly duties. And, you know, anybody who is an aspiring scout could listen to that and get a better idea what they do for those that want to become, you know, film watchers. You wrote a great article a few years ago about what to go about, what to look for. I just wanted to articulate some of those points for those who haven't read it. I do recommend it. And if this is the first time that you're hearing this, somebody who wants to watch film, you describe it as there's different levels and you have to progress through each level to get to get to the final level where you actually know exactly what you're looking for. Yeah, now, so I actually was a, I was a high school teacher for a little bit. And that probably my teacher decided me coming out, you know, assigning a level or grade or of a syllabus to this as you will. But, yeah, I mean, I just thought, you know, it'd be fun to kind of have fans assess themselves on their knowledge, which is why I put a level tier. But, you know, for that article, I just gathered a bunch of questions and things that I see that people get wrong very often. And I just try to, you know, put it all together in an article, one article that encompasses all, Carson Palmer talked to me and, you know, I got some interesting information from him, talked to a bunch of other good guys around the league and was able to put together that article and it's, to the state, still one of my most popular articles and I find people are still going back to it, you know, in the beginning of the year when they want to get a little refresher on some of the basics about football. Well, one of the points was quarterbacks aren't always looking off defenders. What do you mean by that? So, you know, I think whenever somebody sees a quarterback looking one way and then looking the other way, people kind of assume, oh, he's looking off the defender. He's just trying to move that defender to the left and it does happen. A lot of good quarterbacks, you know, how to manipulate defenders. But, I mean, there are also quarterbacks that are just simply going through the rigs, you know, to go in from read one to read two to read three and a good play would progress in a manner where, you know, if this guy's not open, then that means that defender may be moved over there. So, this receivers will be open. So, that's all I mean by it. Is that, you know, quarterbacks not always trying to move a defender. He might be just looking at his going through his normal progression. Yeah, one of my favorite things when watching young quarterbacks and like, I don't need goddy stats in year one. I need to see certain things that you do well that will translate to the next level. I like a quarterback that's young that will take some shots down the field. I think if they become too conservative, too early in their career, they never grow out of it and they put a limitation to what they do. I don't mind that paid manning through 28 interceptions in year one because he, that's your year to make mistakes and to learn. I want to know that when pressure comes, does he just immediately look to tuck and run or is he still hanging in the pocket looking through reads and seeing who else he can get the ball off of? Even if he doesn't have success, I can find some traits that I think are translatable. You set a point of what to look for post snap. We all follow the ball, right? When you're watching the TV broadcast and they force us that way, what are you looking for once you see this snap? Well, we can't always see what's happening in a second there because the broadcast angle is always zoomed in towards the quarterback and my point against that was always, you're missing half the story because half the story is a quarterback. The other half of the story is what's happening in a second there, which is why I love Amazon Prime Vision so much because they give you that option to watch all 22 on Thursday night football. Sorry, what was the question? What are you looking for post snap? Sometimes I will look at the trench play and how often someone wins the trench battle. I will also watch the ball, and then I'm also watching the receiver in the corner battle. There's like three different aspects of what I'm looking for post snap. I was wondering what your process is. What are you looking for post snap? Yeah, post, if I'm able to see the second there, I want to see what the safeties are doing, you know, the quarterbacks always mostly always looking at what the weak safety is doing because there's so many teams that disguise now and they're just lining up too high and they're shifting into the coverages. So the weak side safety usually tells you the story of what the coverage is, but if I don't see the secondary, which is most of the time unless you're watching all 22, then I'm watching a combination of the offensive line and quarterback. I'm trying to have a soft focus on both to see what they're doing because if you see the offensive line firing off into into the second level and then you know, it's pretty much a run if they're kind of playing a little softer than you know, it might be a play action or a pass. Are you also looking at like formations and tendencies out of the formations? Like, you know, the old Pittsburgh Steelers when X running back is in the backfield, it's a pass versus a run. Are you looking for teams that telegraph their stuff or is that not something that you're looking at? Sometimes, I mean, if you know that there could be a, you know, a tell coming into the game, then I might be looking forward and if you just happen to find it, then I'll look, you know, I'll look at it moving forward, but it's not something that I'm actively looking for. I think that's pretty difficult to do unless, you know, you're watching all 22 or you're even a level above, if you're like an actual scout that is trained to watch for those things. Hey, the easiest way to improve as a sports better is use multiple sportsbooks and always get the best odds. We recommend using an odds comparison tool like Betstamp. Betstamp compares odds across every sportsbook for games, futures and player props. Save time and money by checking Betstamp before you bet. Download the app today. If you're looking to sign up for a new sportsbook account, please check out the offers available at betstamp.app, backslash, circles off or hit the link in the description. If you sign up through this page and help support the show, now back to the episode. Yeah, or if you have data of like players on the field and what the plague was a runner pass, what's something that you think that the stats don't accurately capture when you watch a film when when you watch film? Something the stats don't actually capture. I mean, quarterback percentage, completion percentage is one of those things, you know, just because a quarterback has a high completion percentage doesn't mean he's playing well or doesn't mean he's accurate. He might just be checking the ball down a lot, taking a lot of safe throws. So, you know, I think that's one stat that I don't really like people using too much when it comes to evaluating a quarterback. Yeah, for myself, I like to look at did they leave a better play on the board? You know, there's the open guy underneath, but if you're just looking at the second level, there was a better play, there was an opportunity for an explosive. I look for that and I also look for mistakes or a blender to justify explosives. Whereas, you know, a well drawn up explosives, one thing, but a guy slipping and getting cooked and, you know, your team gets cooked, I might not weigh that way them down as much just because, you know, sometimes it's just a freak thing. You just lose your footing. Is there a team whose film is a lot better than their record this year? I mean, when you're looking to see a team that's filmed a lot better than their record. Or the opposite, a team whose film is worse than their record. I have one and I wanted to run it by you. All right. Why don't you go first and then, you know, I'll try to think of one. I think the Detroit Lions film is worse than their record and especially there's three games that stand out to me of like, you know, the Kansas City game where obviously we know the receivers dropped a lot of balls against them. So they weren't punished for poor coverage, but it happened in the Tampa game as well where they lost when they won 20 to six. Like Baker Mayfield had Trey Palmer open for three wide open touchdowns could not hit him for the life of him. Now that's a baker thing. He will often airmail open guys, but I also saw it in the in the game. Yeah. And I also saw it in the Vegas game. Like if Jimmy G can just throw one ball to Devonte Adams, you know, there's a different. So there's a team who not that their stats are great. I just think I don't think their defense and their secondary is as improved as the stats right now tell us because I think they just haven't been punished yet except for the one time they play the team that could punish them and Baltimore ran it up on them. And I saw and I saw some warts there. Whereas the next time Detroit plays a true powerhouse team that with an accurate quarterback, maybe like the chargers, maybe leaving guys wide open, they'll get punished for it. Yeah, I agree with that. I think that our offense is really good, but I think their defense hit or missed because they're very aggressive. So and I wrote about this actually before the Ravens game, I predicted that the Ravens would win. You know, I didn't think it was going to be that bad, but I thought they were going to win the game and score some points just because the lines defense, they're extremely aggressive. Their linebackers are flying up to against the run. So they're susceptible against play action. Obviously, they're playing tight coverage and you know, that works against some of the bad teams, but you know, against a good receiver like Devonte Adams, you know, they might split behind you and a better quarterback or better off into the line might be able to hold up and hit one of those throws. So I agree with you. I think the line's defense is not as good as their numbers show. Yeah, I think their offense is pretty damn good though. Yeah, so he's one of my favorite play callers. I'm also spoiled. I'm a Miami Dolphin fan and I particularly like our offensive play collar. Is there an offensive play collar that you really are a fan of like you watching you smile a little? You're like, I really enjoy what this guy does. Yeah, Shane Stiken, you know, and it goes back to the offensive put together for Jalen Hertz and Phil Delphia. You know, I just thought there's so many good clever plays and they just have such a good way of taking advantage of their player strengths and not really asking them to do what they aren't good at. And they're still kind of running this copy of Shane Stiken's offense. I mean, why wouldn't you? I mean, they're not quite as good as they were last year because you don't have Shane Stiken. But, you know, I do think Brian Johnson's a good coach. I just think Shane Stiken's on another level and you see what he's doing. Did with the Coltsman, Anthony Richardson was healthy. You know, you see what he's doing. He's able to do it in Garner and Minshu. I mean, it's not of that offense. You know, they are they put it over 30. Yeah, they put it over 30 points against the Cleveland Browns. You know, the best deep historically good defense before that game. So he's like a very, very good play collar and once he gets more tools to work with, you know, I think the Colts are going to be a pretty dangerous offense for a long time. What about defensively? I know I hear a lot of people really gushing about how Mike McDonald is calling defense in Baltimore. Is there a defensive play collar that you are really enjoying their work right now? Yeah, like Mike McDonald is awesome. I didn't break down of his defense this week. Lou, you know, big Lou from Cincinnati always, you know, he he's not he doesn't have as much talent as other guys have under defense, but he always finds a way to give a posing quarterback's trouble, you know, with his play calling, with just taking away certain things they'd like to do. And Jim Schwartz, obviously, he's doing an amazing job with the Cleveland Browns. So I think there's a lot of good defensive play collar this year. And this is one of the reasons why we're seeing offense. It's not score as many points as we've seen in the past. I promise this isn't because I'm a dolphins fan, but I have always liked how Brian Flores calls defense. And I remember preseason, we're all discussing, you know, range of outcomes for a team's offensive or defensive, you know, abilities and Minnesota like on paper, it wasn't the best defense from a talent perspective. So we said, you know, their floor is there are bad defense and their ceiling is like below average, maybe average. Brian Flores has them playing at their ceiling and he doesn't hide what he does. He draws up blitz more than anyone. I still remember the game a couple of years ago against the Ravens on Thursday night football, where we went zero blitz 57 times against Lamar Jackson. I really like Brian Flores how he sends different, different blitzes to confuse people. It's not just an outright wink, Martin Dale just send the house. I think Brian Flores disguises it better. I think he blitzes his corners better and he's a defensive play collar that I still admire. Yeah, I love the Brian Flores higher for the Vikings because it's so different than what everybody else is doing. And he, you know, like I said, it's not just all engage eight blitzing everyone type of, there's like very smart mechanics in these blitzes that make it hard to pass on. And he surpassed my expectations for what I thought he would do this season, so I thought they would be a boom or bust type of defense. And that would be very good for them based on their talent level. And I think it's better to be a boom or bust defense than just simply a defense that sits back and gets picked apart. But they've, they're a legitimately good defense. I mean, they're not a lead or anything, but they're a good defense that teams have trouble against. You work in football and like football at times can feel like it's a 365 day new cycle, although, you know, that month and a half after the draft and before training camps seems to be everybody's downtime. When is your downtime? Do you plan it in the off season usually after the draft? Yeah, I think after the draft, you do get a little bit of downtime. But I mean, the thing is it's difficult to find stories that write about. I mean, I mean, it's not difficult because there's, you know, there's always something to write about. Always something that people are interested in, but it's just a little bit more difficult to find interesting things to continue talking right about during the off season. But yeah, you do have that downtime after the draft. And it's not immediately after the draft. There's still people that want to know about who their their teams picked. Yeah. And then, you know, you have a little bit of downtime until training camps starts again or OTAs. And then before you know it, you're back in the flow of things. Yeah. In radio, our time was like Christmas, government shut down. It was for the moment. So you save a couple like evergreen topics and you stash them for those winter months when you need it. So maybe you have some article ideas that you're like, okay, that's a, that's going to be a June story because it's going to be a little bit tough to write. And you almost have to create your own news article as opposed to, you know, a hot piece of news that you can react to. Do you watch college during the season or do you just watch tape during draft season? Um, I watch college, but just more for fun during season because, you know, Saturday's one day that I do get to relax and chill and I don't want to spend that whole day. I mean, I would easily, you know, just watch football, but I think it's better for my life than the people of my life if I do something other than watch football. So, you know, I'll catch a game here and there, but the big matchup, you know, like last week, USC in Washington was fun. But I'm not, you know, glued to my TV on Saturday. Yeah, Saturday is actually my lightest day of the week, right? It's, it's, you know, there, there's nothing much more to react to. Maybe the final injury report of the Monday night football game and guys who are on the fence and maybe a couple guys that don't travel with the team. But for the most part, the injury reports are done. You've watched your film, you've crunched your data and you're just like, all right, Saturday's a little bit of downtime. What are you looking for when watching prospects? I know what I'm looking for because I don't actively watch college football. I am aware of who the guys are because I follow and I listen, you know, on the athletic and I follow Dan Brugler stuff and I always want to be up to date with who to watch. But then I can then go into each position and watch film on each guy. What are you watching for? Yeah, there's another reason why I don't watch a ton of college football during the weeks because you know, if you're doing scouting work, you end up watching those games like three, four times, you know, when you're during draft season again anyway. So, yeah, you know, you know, you're not going to miss much because you're going to watch it again. But when I am watching prospects, I think the important thing is to figure out what kind of player is this player. I mean, you know, you have different position groups like wide receivers, but within a position group, there's different archetypes of positions too. I mean, you have a, you know, your big ball winner, you have your small flot receiver, you know, you have guys that are kind of in between. So you have to figure out what type of player this player is. You have to figure out does he do the things that help him win consistently and will translate to the next level. So, you know, that's the kind of stuff I'm looking for. And obviously, you know, you want to find those high end traits and you want to, you want to figure out if those high end traits will translate into the league. Yeah, I love, I love watching cornerbacks at watching their tape. Like, I was all over Tarek Ullin and Zion McCollum last year. First of all, they had athletic traits that popped off off the, off the paper, but I wanted to see if it was translatable. I like, I was adamant that CJ Stroud was QB1 in this, in this draft. I just remember everybody getting wowed by Anthony Richardson at the combine. And then you watch them throw and Stroud didn't have a misplaced ball. He was just so pinpoint accurate. You know, Carolina and, you know, people who watch Bryce Young against the Chicago Bears, a defense that pretty much everyone has picked apart and Bryce had one really good throw that you, that you chart and you say, wow, and it's starting to look a little bleak. I want to ask you, why has CJ Stroud been so much better than Bryce Young and why hasn't Bryce Young's call it success translated to the pros yet? Yeah, I mean, with CJ Stroud, obviously, you know, his accuracy was so, you know, he just jumped off the tape like every throw was on target, you know, ball placement on the bunny on time. And I'll be honest, I like CJ Stroud. I thought he had a very hot, you know, I said he had a very high floor. I questioned his ceiling. Yeah, everyone said Kurt Cousins was the ceiling and I kept bashing my head. I'm like, no man, he's so accurate. And like, accuracy is the most transferable thing to the pros outside of Josh Allen who was inaccurate in college. Usually, you need to be accurate in college to translate, but I never, I disagreed with the ceiling, but sorry to interrupt you. Oh, good. No, I mean, I saw more Dak Prescott. You know, I saw more Dak Prescott, but more accurate, which is, you know, Dak did kind of struggle with the off target throws. It, you know, early in his career, he's much better at it now. But I saw more of a Dak Prescott, you know, good arm, but not elite, not that you need an elite arm, but it's fun to have good mobility. I just didn't, there wasn't enough of a sample of playmaking for me. And obviously, you know, he hasn't really needed to be a playmaker because he's been so remarkably, he's translated so the way he's picked up the pro game and picked up pro coverages and be able to manipulate pro coverages, it's pretty amazing. Like, I don't think I've ever seen a young quarterback pick all this up so quickly and be able to translate it on the field. It's pretty amazing. And I don't really think that we'll see many guys do this. I think this is kind of like a once in a generation type of rookie season from him because he's not relying on his athleticism. He's just, you know, he obviously, the tight window throws, the accuracy is there, but he's playing, he's playing a position like a veteran quarterback and, you know, who knows exactly where that ceiling is, but I mean, you know, even if that's feeling it's that Tampa Bay Book of Nier's name where he threw five touchdowns, it's pretty damn high. So I'm just very impressed by the way he's picked up the game. And I don't think, and even the, the biggest CJ Stroud proponent, maybe you did, but, you know, I think the way he's picked up the game was pretty amazing and almost unpredictable. You know what flashed for me was because everybody says, I never saw the athletic and wow stuff. I'm like, yeah, the Georgia, the Georgia game, the Georgia game is the answer, right? That was the first time we said, oh my god, he has everything and he can do things with his feet. And he didn't, he didn't, he chose not to. And obviously when you have Chris Olavi and Garrett Wilson and Jackson Smith and Jigba and then Marvin Harrison, you know, maybe sitting in the pocket and throwing it is the optimal way to play the position, but they flashed it once in the Georgia game and I said, wait a minute, there's something more there. And that's why I thought the ceiling was a little bit higher. Let's talk about Bryce Young. Is it a cheap cop out to just say it's the size because it's glaring? Like there's times, especially in the Colts game where he's throwing balls directly to Colts defenders and I'm like, did he see that guy? Why is Bryce Young struggled and are you still, what's your level of optimism on Bryce Young becoming a guy? Yeah, I mean, I, I did not have Bryce, I'm angry Richardson was my number one guy, but when I watch Bryce Young, obviously he has all those processing traits and it's all true. You know, the way he sees the game, the way he quickly reacts to certain things that the defense does is very high level and I don't think that suddenly turned off when he came to NFL, but I mean, it's just hard to judge him right now just because of how bad that panthers offense is. I can't run the ball, I can't pass protect, I can't separate, but like you said, it's very obvious that he is not a even baseline level athlete in the NFL. I mean, he's quick enough to get away from guys, but he's not going to rip through an arm tackle. Well, he's not going to make a spectacular throw with all arm talent. You know, it's just not there. That's not the guy you drafted. So I think there's still hope for him. You know, I think you want to see him take kind of that to a path. I think it's fair to say that he's not ever going to be a guy that elevates your offense and makes you better, but he's a guy that if you surround him with talent, I think, you know, he'll be able to operate at a high level. And that's not a bad thing because I think there's only, you know, maybe 10, 12 guys that could really elevate an offense. And obviously you want the number one pick to be one of those guys, but I just doubt Bryce Young is one of those guys at this point, but I still think that he has a bright future if you are able to surround him with talent. And I see a lot of similar traits between him and Tua. All right, that's an interesting comparable. We'll track it. And, you know, they attempted to put an offense around him. They signed hate and hers and shark and feeling and mouth sanders, but it's not those guys were kind of on the downslope of their career. It was a bit odd of an offseason approach, whereas maybe they would have been better putting in resources into one really good weapon to surround him with as opposed to two or three, you know, next level tier, even though feelings having a bit of a bounce back season, but Ted, I appreciate your time, man. I really enjoy talking football with you. That's it for me. Another edition of 90 Degrees is in the books. I want to thank my guest Ted Win, staff writer for the athletic, the sponsors of this podcast, pinnacle and bet stamp and my producer Jason Cooper. Thanks for listening. Do me a favor before you go. Like the content. Subscribe, share and comment. We'll be back next week with another guest on the 90 degrees podcast where we give an inside look into the sports betting industry. That's it for me. Hope you enjoyed. Until next time.