Hey, na, wie geht's dir?
Rät so, ich hab schon wieder Urlaub.
Oh nein, wie lang denn?
Zwei Wochen.
Komm, ey, das geht schneller vorbei als du denkst.
Ja, hoffentlich.
Du willst auch ein Job, den du liebst, dann kommt zur Lufthansa-Grupe.
Über 50 Ausbildungsberufe von IT über Technik bis zum Cockpit.
Fly-Bake auf Lufthansa-Grupe und Curious.
On this week's episode of Circles Off,
we're going to talk a little bit about gambling Twitter.
Ich weiß, wir haben noch etwas gemacht.
Die false Experten sind dort, die Leute, die die Population lieben.
Aber was wirklich bei mir leistet, ist die Toxicity, die es gibt,
in die Twitter-Nau-A-Day.
Ich hab schon gesagt, warum?
All das und mehr.
Das week's Circles Off starts now.
Komm, let's go!
Welcome to Circles Off, episode number 105.
Right here, on the Hammer-Betty Network.
Rob Pizzola, joined by Johnny from Betstab.
Robby Pizzola, Fresh Off, his feature in a National News Network.
Second one I've had, actually, in the last couple years.
Listen, I mean, now that in Ontario,
we've had regulated sports gambling.
There's some topics of conversation,
particularly around responsible gaming.
I have some experience with that,
which I've talked about on this program before.
So it was a pretty natural fit.
Take everyone behind the scenes.
I found this cool.
So they actually came to your house,
interviewed you in the backyard.
So this stems from, like, right at the beginning of COVID.
They wanted to do a piece of on-upcoming regulation in Canada,
or in Ontario, specifically.
So, yeah, they came to my house.
And because the first time around,
they couldn't, like, technically couldn't come inside.
It was actually, I think, CBC, like, restrictions
in terms of filming.
We had to film outside.
So we just filmed it in my backyard.
So fast forward to about a month ago now.
I remember Carolina and New Jersey
were playing in the playoffs, like,
game two of that series.
And, you know, they reached out.
We're doing another piece on problem gaming
and also, like, betting content in the space.
The ask was to do a one-on-one interview with me.
And also to film me and a group of friends
watching a sports game.
To see how, like, what the experience is like
with live betting.
And I'm sure that you didn't change your behaviors
based on the fact that there are 17 cameras in your face.
We definitely did not.
Zach was there.
Zach was part of it, producer Zach,
behind the glass, who does have his voice back this week.
But they got it.
They came.
And I just figured they were going to interview me inside.
And they're like, you know what?
Like, the backyard is really nice.
It's a good filming spot.
So let's film it out there again.
And it was a little cold that day.
So to put it on a jacket.
We filmed it.
It was good.
It's, you know, I've worked in media.
So I know how it works.
But, like, you know, one hour interview gets condensed
into, like, 40 seconds.
So, like, how long was the feature?
The feature was eight and a half minutes.
Eight and a half.
Well, link in the description.
If anyone wants to see that feature.
Was a good piece of betting content.
Yeah.
That was, you know, I guess, did they do,
think they did a fair job?
I think they did.
It was, it's, it's tough.
You know, this is a nationally run segment in Canada, right?
On the state of sports betting.
And it was, you have to get representation from all sides.
So my opinion is that I believe that the ACGO,
eye gaming Ontario, I think that they have the best interest
of bettors at heart.
But maybe they're lacking some experience
in the sports betting space.
And like, a lot of the rules that they're putting in
to protect bettors don't honestly make a whole lot of sense.
You know, like having to click a checkbox
when you log into an account saying that you're, like,
of legal age and you're of, you know,
it's supposed to say, so the law is that has to say,
I am eligible and fit to play.
And then you click it.
And then the reason that they said that is because they're like,
well, if someone's like drinking too much,
shouldn't be betting.
So if you're hammered, you log into your app.
Well, I'm like, no, I'm not fit to better.
Of course, that's what I'm saying.
These are the things I'm talking about, right?
Like logically, there is some sort of protection
that they're trying to put in place,
but it doesn't make any sense.
So that was my whole premise, right?
It's like the same thing about advertising in Canada.
The whole thing was like,
we don't want to follow the US model
and have sportsbook after sportsbook
just advertising their signup bonuses.
You can't advertise your signup bonus
if you're in Ontario right now.
But every single commercial that runs
on TV right now is promoting one feature,
which is the same game parlay,
which is, in my opinion,
much more harmful than advertising signup bonuses.
Like you're promoting essentially a bet type
that has like a 15 to 20% hold
at some recreational sportsbooks
as like a great way to have fun
and make things entertaining for the game.
Yeah, it is.
But like we talk about this a lot of time.
It's fun when you win money,
but like when you're constantly losing,
and we're seeing in Ontario now
a lot of these sportsbooks
have retention problems.
They go, you know,
they can't retain their playerbase.
Why do you think that happens?
Because people lose their money so quickly
and they say,
either I'm done with this
or they're just going to go find
another sportsbook to play at,
because they think that that sportsbook
is no good for them.
So that was kind of like the angles I took.
I think they represented me,
represented me fairly,
but you have the other side of the picture
with people from ACGO talking
about the rules that they put in place,
how there's certain crackdowns on this and that.
And I don't know.
It's tough.
I don't want to sound hypocritical.
I'm obviously involved in the betting space.
So we run the hammer as a betting network
where we produce content.
We try to do it in the right way,
but that's never going to,
you know, there's going to be
sadly people that consume betting content
and as much as I tell them,
don't chase this number.
Only bet it to this number.
There's going to be people
who are going to bet it past that number.
You know, like I'm conscious of that, right?
Same with bet stamp, right?
Like we try to do it in the right way,
in line shopping.
It's just like the easiest, easiest, easiest way,
not to lose a lot of money,
but naturally there's going to be people
that will only put in one sportsbook on bet stamp,
and they won't line shop.
They're just going to, you know,
don't go away.
Like, you know, so it's challenging
and I don't want to come across as hypocritical,
but that's just the nature of the space.
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And ultimately, sports betting,
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And when you're constantly betting the best prices,
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for success in the long run.
That's just a fact, plain and simple.
Whether you're already a winner,
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If you're a small loser,
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If you're just every single time taking a line
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The ranges on some of these books
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Even if you're betting props,
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You'll see arbitrage opportunities all the time
in Ontario.
So that's out there, definitely.
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You did this feature.
Yeah.
And it seemed like couple people actually had
a beef to pick with the feature.
Yeah.
So I have to talk about this.
Like this could have,
this could have,
you know, featured in like a tweet set
trigger us segment or whatever.
But this has been on my mind
for a long time right now.
And one specific tweet was like
the trigger point for me.
But people ask me a lot, right?
Like, why don't you tweet as much anymore?
Why do you not spend as much time on Twitter anymore?
And frankly,
I just don't enjoy the Twitter community,
like I used to.
When I first started betting,
back in,
not a long time ago.
When I first got to Twitter,
when did I join Twitter?
My account says probably like 2010 or something like that.
It was very different to the way that
Twitter exists nowadays.
I joined back in July 2010.
Wow.
It was much more of a sense of community.
There was much more positivity at that time
than negativity.
And if there's like one tweet
that really outlines to me,
why I cannot stand gambling Twitter anymore,
it's this particular one by a lucky a day.
So, I've honestly seen this guy.
I don't think he's that.
I don't hate him.
I don't really hate anyone really.
Yeah, I know.
He tweeted a lot of good things in the past.
I will say about this guy.
Now, I don't know what you're about to say right now.
You know, maybe I should just shut up, go.
Okay, well,
so plus EV analytics starts this thread, right?
Because he sees the article in CBC.
And he takes a quote out of it.
And this is exact,
you know, he says,
Rob is always dropping knowledge on CBC, thumbs up.
And this is the quote that I gave.
Sports betting is more of a math problem than it is knowing sports.
If people heard that,
maybe it would affect their ability of bet
or they would be turned off by it,
but that's the truth.
It's more of a math problem than actually knowing
and understanding sports.
And I try to communicate that to people
but they don't want to listen.
This was a question that was specifically asked to me.
And then that was my response.
And the response that a lucky a day came with,
said, it's not quite true though.
It depends on the market
and how well-domain knowledge is priced into that market.
I actually kind of somewhat agree with that.
My response, which is very snarky
because I am an asshole,
is sure I'll be sure
in every quote I drop going forward
to provide seven asterisk to cover all of the edge cases.
And this is precisely what I hate about gambling Twitter.
Because there's a lot of people that are smart
and have different perspectives.
And that they all win.
And like you can see the rest of this thread here
plus CV jumps in again.
Jeff Benson from Circa,
your ability to just argue
for the sake of arguing is truly impressive.
Must be exhausting.
That's exactly how I feel.
I feel like there's so much arguing
just for the sake of arguing.
And listen,
I'll call it a lot of people that I...
I have no problems with this guy, by the way,
a lucky a day.
He's just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Like, okay, sure.
But you're not going to be able to put...
Like, that is true for 99.9%.
Everyone, to me, has to be the smartest person
in the room at all times.
And you can talk...
Like, there's a lot of things
that really bug me about gambling Twitter.
We've talked about these before, right?
Like, false expertise.
That, like, is the number one
that gets me.
False expertise.
Lack of accountability.
Huge.
I would honestly say, like, addiction promotion, as well.
Because there's people that are just out there to make a buck
and they don't care at, like, what expense that it's happening.
Targeting individuals are vulnerable.
That's part of it, as well, right?
Like, all those things, misinformation, whatever.
That is all, like, part of what drives me crazy
about gambling Twitter and, like, the growth of sports betting
in North America, right?
Most of it comes stems from people who are not experts
in the field portraying themselves as experts in the field.
But then you have, like, this tighter,
I'll call it sharp, gambling Twitter community,
who really...
And this includes myself, by the way.
Like, I'm fully aware that I am a hypocrite.
I do a lot of the same stuff here.
It's more about getting better as a group of people.
But you actually have this group of people that are smart
and sharp and understand it.
And could really help educate other people on this type of stuff.
But instead, they get bogged down with arguing with each other,
non-stop, or attacking others, non-stop.
It just creates, like, this toxic culture and behavior.
And listen, everybody's motivations on social media are different, right?
Like, there are some really sharp, like, super sharp bettors out there
who are honestly, like, set for life,
where it's like, they have no incentive
to help other people get better at betting.
Or they have nothing to do with their time,
and they just spend it online arguing with other people.
But, like, look at a guy like plus EV analytics.
I mean, he's very much guilty of it as well,
with the way that he goes back and forth with other people.
But, again, it gets to be so petty after a while.
And there are some other examples that I'll go through of stuff that just bothers me.
Like, just purely bothers me about the community that it's so lame.
It's like the lamest.
That's here.
So, Zach, on this one, just scroll up just to the tweet before it.
Or, okay, so, Jeff Ma, ideas for a bet the process
guess this week, Rufus and I are all ears.
One guy responds with chicken dinner or SP shoot.
SP shoot is the Twitter handle for Sam Penny out of itch,
who we had here on Circles Off before.
Sam is a friend of mine.
I've made that pretty clear in the episode.
I've known Sam for a long time.
I can tell you with like 100% certainty that it just happened that the example here is Sam.
It doesn't make a difference as to who it is or not, right?
Digs, who is very popular in the gambling Twitter community,
responds to that tweet saying, block me from this account, too, please.
And then he shows two screenshots where he's already blocked by Sam
and he's blocked by the chicken dinner account.
I don't know why PC inferring that that's his burner.
But I don't know why people wear it as a badge of honor that they're blocked by other people.
Like, I look at this stuff and it's like these people are so proud.
Like, they constantly bring it to the attention that they're blocked.
Like, you've obviously said something at some point or another.
That's made this person never want to hear your opinion again on anything.
And people treat it like a badge of honor that they're blocked by other people.
I'll tell you one of the biggest mistakes I made in life.
Getting blocked by Darren Revel.
I don't talk about it a whole lot.
But it actually, like, we got into an argument on Twitter over the actual dumbest thing.
In hindsight, it was like I could have very easily communicated with him
without being a fucking total jackass.
See, that's one of the biggest mistakes in your life.
Well, because now I have to log out of my account every time I want to see Darren Revel tweets.
Come on.
But like, I don't...
And look, to each their own.
But this happens every day in gambling Twitter, right?
It's like, can't see, blocked.
Well, you're fucking blocked because you were an asshole.
That's why you were blocked.
And it happens so often.
Like, the way that people treat one another,
and talk to one another on this platform,
is unlike anything I've ever seen in life before.
Like, honestly, the way people treat me,
and then I go to bet bash, and they're shaking my hand
as if they haven't been, like, trolling me on Twitter for two years.
Like, where best friends is absurd.
Like, it's nuts.
This is the culture of gambling Twitter.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, how is this anything to be proud about?
Or to, like, publicize?
I, like, honestly, like, digs is obviously very smart.
If you follow his account, it's a pure troll account, 100%.
Okay?
It's mostly just ripping people in the community that make mistakes and stuff.
He's obviously very intelligent and has a huge grasp of sports betting.
Like, it is clear.
He is an alpha when it comes to betting on sports.
Couldn't be more clear by the way that he trolls other people.
But ultimately, like, it's a really shitty thing to do.
And there's ways that you can go about correcting people
without being an ass hat is basically what I'm getting at.
Does he have any incentive to do so?
No, probably not.
Will I catch a bunch of grief for this?
Sure.
I've done this stuff before in my life.
Probably three weeks ago, I quoted a guy where I was just like,
make it stop.
I literally said, I did nothing to message him on the side.
Do I, you know, send him anything saying, like,
here's why you're wrong or here, like reconsider whatever.
I just quoted him pure attention seeking tweet.
So I'm a guilty culprit as well.
But it makes the space, it makes it like uninhabitable.
Here it is.
Literally two weeks ago.
Two weeks ago.
Tell me, so his tweet was, he did like, so he quoted someone else.
If you can't recognize that a minus two thirty five is sometimes
keyword, very good value, then you shouldn't be giving up betting advice,
especially professionally.
Click that guy's quote tweet.
That's it.
You just tweeted that.
You just tweeted that.
Yeah, I know.
Okay.
So this guy's, this is correct.
Yes.
He's a good point.
That's a good point.
Now someone quoted him saying, tell me you don't sports.
You should say don't know sports betting.
No sports betting.
Without telling you, you don't know sports betting.
Oh, so he's saying like, he's calling this guy, okay, I gotta get it.
So this guy, Johnny Lazarus, is saying that if you think a minus two thirty five
could be a good bet, then like, haha, thanks for exposing yourself
that you don't know sports betting.
Exactly.
So in thus, what this Johnny Lazarus guy did is thus exposed himself
that he doesn't know sports betting.
Correct.
So you could say he had a double entendre.
You could say that he had it coming.
But I just quoted that and I put make it stop.
And it got five retweets, 125 likes, 85,800 views.
And then cleft he put, oh, so that's Johnny's burner account as a joke.
Which I laughed at as well.
But regardless, wait, so I go up, scroll up.
Dude, but yeah, so yeah, you just rose and rose to this guy as well.
That's what I'm saying.
So listen, I'm very well aware of it.
I get it.
And I get into these states of mind as I'm sure other people do.
Like when you're a better and you win at betting and you're successful,
and like this isn't a pad on the back, but like one of the most frustrating things for you
is when other people try to pass themselves off as winners.
Who clearly aren't.
Because the ones that win can easily spot those that don't win.
But it does then create like this environment, essentially,
where like nobody can coexist.
And it just turns into this every day.
Like why, why, you know, you're celebrating that someone else blocked you.
Like think about that just from a...
Okay, but does, so you think, you think this guy, call him Diggs,
that's what I'm going to call him, that's obviously a regular name.
But okay, so you think Diggs wins.
Oh, I'm certain.
Like I would say with a hundred...
I'm not disagree with you.
I'm not disagree with you.
I also think the same.
But I'm saying like, do you know how much you win?
Do you know what he bets?
You know what he thinks?
No, no one even really knows.
I have no idea.
The only reason I can know, I will say with certainty that I know,
is because of his trolling style is just a retweet, usually.
He just retweet stuff that is obviously wrong.
And like a smart better can see that.
There's also like...
He got me once with something from the pod.
Yeah, of course.
He's gotten me before.
I don't care.
You know, like, I'm so used to getting...
I spent like years getting roasted on Twitter.
You know, like, look at this guy.
Who to follow on the right side?
The shipper.
At Ship the Justice.
That guy probably has roasted me more than any human being in the history of the planet.
You know, I don't care because I know he's like just a fucking shitty trader for sports bet.
For points bet.
Like, whatever.
Like, why do I care about his opinion?
But this is devolving into...
Like, this is how it devolves, right?
This entire situation.
It's like rather than us being able to get along,
it's like this doggy dog like...
But this doesn't happen in real life.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, we all get together at like a conference bet bash.
Whatever.
In Vegas, just like for a golfer.
And like, everyone's friends.
Like, I don't get it, man.
I don't get it.
I can't explain the toxicity of the...
Like, and there's more examples.
So we're not stopping here.
All right, go ahead.
There's a few more.
That really got me.
Spanky, right?
Look, I'll fuck it.
I'll call out my friends.
Spanky, I talk to Spanky this week.
He's...
I love Spanky.
He's a great guy.
Go up to...
Go up one more, Zach.
Okay.
One guy...
Sorry, my vision is really bad on the...
I can read this one if you want.
Yeah.
So that's a guy here who is tweeting a screenshot
from Fandalsportsbook that has a Miami Heat
that just won the Eastern Conference at plus $9.50.
His bet size was $50.
So he won what would have been a profit of around $5.25.
It's called 500 bucks.
He won 500 bucks.
A nickel.
Yes, Spanky would say.
Nickel.
Yeah, no real bet or whatever, say 500 bucks.
Sorry.
I love...
Well, we'll see.
That was a good joke.
So this guy recaps his tweet and he says,
Heywood Highsmith in the clutch.
Checkmark.
Gabe Vincent Leep.
Check.
Kayla Martin Evolution.
Check.
Bam at a bio's next step.
Check.
Jimmy Butler's revenge.
Check.
Eric Spolsterer.
Still king.
Check.
Never hedged.
Didn't need to turn that green.
So basically just celebrating his bet.
That it won.
Happens every day.
You know, this is, this is Twitter.
Alright, thank you.
I know you put this on here.
I did see this one, but what did you want to say about this one?
Okay.
So like, here's the response for those listening,
for those watching you see it on screen.
Flexing that you didn't hedge a $50.9 to one bet,
coupled with six check marks, a crown and a money face emoji,
is as out of touch with reality as it gets.
Congrats on your $450 win.
Don't spend it all in one place.
Okay.
So now we're at the point of like mocking bet sizes,
essentially, as well, right?
Like we get it.
For, you know, for spanky, that's nothing.
$450 win.
He won't, yeah.
He won, like, go up to screener.
You can't really see it here.
We're on, uh, what did he, what did he actually place a wage on?
So you would have won $4.75 if it's plus $9.50.
Yeah.
$4.75 profit.
So go ahead.
Either way.
Like the money.
Yeah.
Like, now we're, now we're stopping on somebody
for like the amount that they bet on a game, which is like,
I've been there before.
Now, honestly, he's tripping them because he,
he's flexed that he didn't hedge the bet.
That, that too.
But like, you can, you know, I like this one.
I'm not gonna lie.
There's a way to get this message across.
And by the way, again, for the millionth time,
I'll reiterate this.
I'm very guilty of doing the same thing.
Okay.
This is like an introspective, like, you know,
sometimes you do something for so long.
And then you see someone else doing the same thing.
And you're like, holy shit.
Is that how I look when I'm tweeting this stuff?
Because I'll roast somebody.
And I'll get like a couple hundred likes.
Right?
And like, my following loves that.
But like to everyone outside of that,
I look like a complete and utter jackass.
And frankly, I don't, I don't want to make this like
episode like the most like the deepest like or whatever.
But there's room for just being good people sometimes.
And we have no idea what that guy's intention was
with his original tweet.
I can totally see why Spanky would have read that.
And like, immediately blown a gasket
and felt the need to respond to this.
But sometimes we can just let stuff go
or respond in a way of like,
that's a little bit more human.
How is digs in this tweet right again?
You probably retweeted it, man.
I go up.
Is that what it is?
Literally probably retweeted it.
It is.
He words flat to digs his retweet, I guess,
because he's, he's in it.
Don't, I mean, some, there's playmaker Dave.
Don't unit shame Spanks.
I agree with that.
But playmaker Dave.
He's not championing for a unit shame.
Is if you say, ha ha, you only bet 50 bucks.
Why don't you bet that for 50 grand?
He's, I think Spanky is saying,
why are you flexing that he didn't hedge?
Because that guy's saying that he didn't hedge his hilarious.
He's saying didn't hedge, didn't need to.
Basically saying like,
I didn't hedge, but we do.
But he could have made that exact same point
without the final two sentences.
So it's a combo.
Fair.
Like he's definitely, he could have just put that first paragraph there
and got the same point across.
The congrats on your $450 win
don't spend it in all in one place as a unit shame.
Fine.
All right.
What else we got?
Okay.
So this one in particular caught me.
Bumani Jones.
I used to work with Bumani Jones.
So again, this is like a little bit more personal.
But he tweeted.
This was the heat.
The heat were up three nothing in the series at this point.
Against the Boston Celtics.
He tweeted.
The heat are still only a one point favorite.
Vegas's models just cannot conceptualize
what the Celtics have done this series.
Gambling Twitter got a hold of this.
Now, obviously this tweet has a lot wrong with it
and a lack of understanding of how the market works.
This tweet was at 5.35 pm Eastern time on the night of a game.
Limits for that game were extremely high.
We know, like me and you know,
betting market determined this was the right price
like how the market works, right?
So when I was in my early 20s working at the score,
hardcore sports radio to be more specific,
Bumani Jones got hired at that time
and he did a weekly morning show called the basketball Jones.
And he did this out of his home in North Carolina.
He would come to the score offices maybe two or three times a year.
I can only speak very highly of him in terms of who he is as a person
and the personal interactions that I had with him,
the way that he tweeted or treated people, I should say.
The way that he tweeted.
The way that he treated people.
I have the utmost respect for him.
Now listen, controversial person.
A lot of people will disagree with me.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, right?
And I think personal situations like influence how you see a person
and view them.
So this particular one right here.
If this was not Bumani Jones, that tweeted this.
I probably would have went in hard,
just like other people did.
What I did do at this exact moment,
I was cooking a hello fresh recipe.
I stopped.
I stopped.
For me, it's positive VV.
We can get into the discussion at another point.
For me, it's positive VV.
But I sent this tweet to Bumani through a DM.
And I said,
if I respond to this tweet publicly,
it's going to cause a stir.
And it's going to look like I'm attacking you.
This isn't really the way it works.
Veterans dictate the market price, not really Vegas.
Your point may still be valid,
but this is a very large market where the biggest sportsbooks
are currently taking 100k plus bets,
which has determined the price.
Now, I'm not going to get into,
I'm not going to post the entire private conversation
because it's private.
But his response was,
this is very interesting.
I didn't know that.
Tell me more, essentially, I'm paraphrasing.
Where can I find more about this topic?
I explained a little bit more to him,
and I sent them the circles off episode that we did
with Chris Bennett,
who was the risk management,
head of risk management for Circus,
been promoted recently,
took Matt Kaffspot recently as well.
Link in the description of the YouTube.
For sure.
You can watch that video,
but I said,
honestly, if you got an hour,
watch this,
it will change it,
told me,
appreciated it,
he watched it,
he sent me back,
messages about it,
I didn't understand this.
That's constructive, in my opinion.
And again,
it's not to pat myself on the back,
but like he doesn't know,
and he thinks he knows,
and for betters,
like you're gonna be like,
no, it's a fraud,
this and that or whatever,
but like there's ways to go about things,
that doesn't have to be just pure toxic culture.
And like that.
And candidly,
I would say,
and I'm very,
I'm very self-aware,
like I said,
if this wasn't,
but if this was somebody that I didn't like,
if this was spread-
If this was spread-
If this was spread investor,
I obviously would have immediately,
quote, tweeted this,
and be like,
look at this idiot and whatever,
and I have to be better about that,
but like people in general just have to be better,
because we've created like this environment,
where there are actually,
a lot of people who can provide a lot,
in the form of education,
that people just don't want to listen to,
because they come off as so abrasive.
Think back to the podcast episode,
we did with Jeff Benson,
and JJ.
JJ.
Think back to that.
And what JJ endured for two weeks leading up to that,
and why we eventually did the podcast, right?
I guess it's just more of a toxic marketplace in this industry.
It is.
But is it not like that for every industry?
I brought some multiple,
it's the same shit.
I don't know,
and I can't say specifically,
like I've been involved in other sectors of Twitter,
over time.
Like crypto Twitter.
Yeah, you still have like,
you know, a lot of ignorant people.
You have a lot of the exact same,
like what was that list I gave before, right?
Like you have targeting vulnerable individuals,
false expertise, lack of accountability.
Like that exists in all the other spaces as well,
as does the toxic behavior,
but that doesn't make it right.
And like,
it's fun and nice to like just dunk on people, nonstop.
But it creates just like this culture of like everybody hating one another
for like no reason.
It's the dumbest.
It's actually like,
it's actually so dumb.
We all share like a common interest.
So many of us win together.
We all know that the other people are winning betters,
but it's just like correcting people here,
correcting people there.
You're an idiot.
And then there's, you know,
Piskie tweets something from the Banfield Group account.
That's like a basically straight out of a fortune cookie,
which is just like advice on betting,
which would probably really resonate with 99% of people
that don't know betting,
but then he's just like destroyed, dragged through.
You know what I'm getting at?
Spanky dragged the bet stamp account.
Yeah, bet stamp Eric.
Bet stamp Eric.
We got to have on the pod one day, by the way.
We should really do an episode with him.
He's going to listen to this for sure.
When you listen to this,
shoot a message, rob Zach and I,
and we'll set it up.
But I mean, listen.
Okay, just a message of now, Ben.
Sure.
At one point.
Yeah, why does he have to shoot us?
Because I just want to want to check.
He's listening.
If he's listening.
He listens every.
He messages me every single.
He's probably the first listener ever.
So, okay.
So let's see from time of release,
to when he lists,
to when he messages you,
and let's place it on take away at you right now.
Okay.
So when is this going to come out?
What time?
This is coming out on Thursday,
the 8th of June.
At what time?
4 p.m.
4 p.m.
So assuming we get it live at 4 p.m.
Eastern,
this part of the podcast will be approximately 38 minutes.
Okay.
So then we'll set this at,
what do we want,
what do we want to set?
He might listen to this on like,
expedited speed.
It's true.
But he's not going to listen right at 4.
4.45 is a good over.
No, that's to see if he lists it right
when it comes out.
That's, that's going to be crazy.
Well, listen, I,
last two hours,
last week with Kevin Davis,
I implored people to turn their notifications on,
which by the way,
if you haven't yet,
if you,
you so money said it with me on edgework last week
when we recorded,
because he listened to that episode as well,
instead of,
he wants you to smash
the mouse so hard
that it not only breaks the mouse,
but also breaks your desk.
He wants it to be such a hard smash.
Yeah, hammer's out.
On that notification.
Oh, can you show the new hammer to the,
this is the one we brought in last week,
which is a big fan of.
We're building a little hammer wall here.
So this is,
it's not quite the welding and chipper hammer.
But this thing can do some serious damage.
This one will mess you up,
because it's actually so light,
that thing is like,
you can get a lot of hits in
before someone else can go on.
So to see the hammer.
Okay, I'll take over,
if you guys are doing 45,
you'll take over on 4.45?
No, okay, here's the thing.
I will not influence this.
So no one can message him.
We leave it in this room right now.
This is all live on the air.
He's going to be greatly listening to this as well.
He's going to be listening to this.
So it's technically though.
Okay, Eric,
to be fair,
you have to message as soon as you get it.
As soon as you see this.
Yeah, as soon as you hear this.
You have to message.
All right.
I would easily take over 4.45.
That's ridiculous.
I think he literally will listen at four o'clock.
Right on the nose.
Okay, let's place a question.
He used the type of God.
They're giving you plus 150.
For 4.45.
Under.
Okay.
No, sorry.
I'm getting plus 150 on the under.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah, what do you want to do?
We'll add it to the sheet.
It'll be fair lunch.
There's some funds that you still owe me, by the way.
Yeah, no, I know, I know, I know.
I do.
And also, some good news is,
I found the little ball for the roulette wheel.
So we're back in action for today.
You think you want more spins?
Oh, buddy.
I'm going to win all that cash back.
That's,
yeah, I don't think that's the way it typically works.
But,
yeah,
we've got,
we're off the rails big time.
There was actually,
in hindsight,
no point to this episode,
other than I had to share,
express these feelings.
So,
if I can suggest one thing,
even for,
like, there's going to be a lot of people,
I'm going to get roasted for this,
whichever, I don't care.
There's going to be a segment of the population
that doesn't like me,
that will just be like,
oh, what's Rob doing?
And this is like trying to connect all these betters.
It's like,
we all share common goals.
Obviously,
it's a competitive environment.
We're competing against one another
on a lot of stuff as well.
But, like,
it's time to tone it back a bit, I think.
Like,
it's gotten to the point
where it's actually,
like, I can't even,
you know,
it's like on my own personal interest at hearty.
Like,
I can't even go on Twitter anymore
without just seeing
something every single day.
Like, every single day.
So, why don't we issue a quick challenge?
So, what Rob did here
with Bomani Jones,
basically saying,
if you see something
that someone tweeted,
that's wrong.
Instead of bashing him on Twitter,
shoot him a DM,
see what they say,
see if you can teach him.
If they double down,
bash him.
Honestly,
if they double down,
you, listen,
you can only do so much
to try to help someone joking around or joking around.
But, think about it at the yacht.
Think about it
from the betstep office perspective, right?
Zach got hired
the same time as a very similar
to the time of Jacob,
who appeared in studio
for one of our episodes,
Josh,
who appeared in studio
for one of our episodes,
Luke,
who appeared in studio
for one of our episodes,
lay it with Luke.
And like,
I'm not here to bash or whatever,
but,
Zach was betting in a certain way
where we start to help him along
and he started to take notice
and he started to do things
and now he is evolved
into a legitimate way
of winning better.
And now he originates
lacrosse.
And then,
he's actually one of the best
he's got picked up by
Rufus' group now.
And he's originating lacrosse
all from this podcast.
Yeah.
But as soon as he starts posting
his lacrosse picks on Twitter,
someone's going to go
and just shit on him
and be like,
oh buddy, you're ruining the market
for, like,
you're doing this,
you're doing that,
like, you're just like
the negative culture is going to come in.
But to the larger point,
Luke never listened to a word we said.
Like, he just kind of
just doubled down on that path.
And it just gets to a point
where you're like,
okay, like, I'm,
I'm done helping.
Like, I said,
what, I've done what I can do
for Luke.
Yeah.
You guys are hitting 75%.
That's,
I think shooting 75%.
I think that's true.
But Josh is a questionable.
Josh,
well, Josh is,
you know, he's,
he got there,
like slowly over time.
I don't know.
I haven't,
I haven't taken,
look at his bet stamp in a bit.
He,
let's say he was using
that beta tool we had
for a little bit for his own,
helping,
yeah, he knew,
he kind of knew what was going on.
But the same thing is going to happen
out there.
You know, like,
I think back to the argument
I had with Darren Revel.
It was all about the
probability of two ties
happening in an NFL season,
where I,
I explained the math to him.
I said,
you know,
this is wrong.
What you posted
is not correct.
This would,
this would mean that the probability
of a tie happening in one game is this,
which is obviously not right.
He doubled down
on,
well, I asked a sports book
director in Vegas.
And this,
this is where I got the number from.
I said,
okay,
I get that.
You asked them.
I'm, you know,
giving you the probabilities
and whatever.
And then he doubled down again.
And then I called them
an idiot.
And that was it.
And I could have done
without the end
and just moved on
because there's really no need
for that.
Is a reality.
You,
you can do what you can
to try to legitimately
help people
and let them get them
to learn.
And then you can't.
Then you just get to a point
where you're like,
okay,
this person doesn't want to.
That's fine.
But it doesn't need to be,
like,
the toxicity
doesn't have to be
through the roof.
Yeah.
I agree.
If,
quick plug,
if you guys are looking
for sports books,
we say it every week now,
it's www.bedstamp.app
slash circles
off,
no matter what region you're
in,
no matter where you are,
you can find
a lot of options
and everything like that.
Check out the link
in the description.
Sign up.
Really help the show.
QR code on the screen right
now.
Wow.
Look at this.
Look at the tech we got
in hosts now.
We were watching on
like a 14-inch monitor
and we got QR codes.
There you go.
So everyone,
it does help support the show.
Keeps it free.
Keeps us,
obviously producing,
motivated,
continuing to produce
amazing content.
We've got a couple really
good ideas coming
for future shows.
And some banger guests coming
in the future as well.
The channel
is bumping.
It's at an all-time high.
And once again,
it's a plea with you
out there.
I know a lot of you
did this last week with some
of you might have listened
and, you know,
you were driving in the car
or forgot about it.
But reach out to somebody
who hasn't consumed
circles
off yet.
In any capacity.
Give them your favorite
episode.
Say you got to watch this.
Try to turn them
into a listener
and a follower.
Obviously,
we love to do this.
We really do.
You know,
there's a lot of time
over the course of the week
thinking of ideas.
What would make
to show interesting
how to help people out?
But obviously,
our ask of you
is to help us grow
as best as possible.
There's nothing more
infuriating to me
than going and seeing
YouTube channels
and sports betting
that have like a hundred
case subscribers
with candidly people
that are misleading
and presenting false information,
false expertise
to the public.
So help us grow,
help people find us
and do that
by leveraging
our own personal
networks if possible.
Two other things.
Number one.
Let us know in the comments
on Twitter, DMs,
anywhere if we're
considering getting
some circles off merch.
Hoodies,
caps,
shirts,
we might get a cool design
if anyone's interested
let us know.
And then,
secondary,
which is again,
a big one.
Let us know
for future guests.
We are always taking feedback
for the show, right?
So sometimes,
Rob and I will have on pro
betters who might be
a little bit more known,
sometimes on sportsbook
directors,
but we've been getting a lot
of requests for recently
as like,
people who might not be
as known,
smaller betters.
People are just starting
underground guys
who maybe
have to go under aliases.
Let us know what you want
if you have a good guest
suggestion,
send it in,
or if you want to just suggest
what types of interview
styles are your favorite
or what other topics
you want Rob and I
to cover it.
Really appreciate it
if you can.
Last thing.
We didn't do it
at the beginning.
Episode 105.
Wow.
God, you reminded me
because people would have
had to do it.
So there's actually
like one good number
five per sport,
which is crazy.
No, there's more
than that.
No, but I'm saying like,
there's like one big one
in each sport.
By the way, like,
we could probably
like branch out into
some other stuff as,
like, people every now
and then post or like,
set me a Twitter DMs
or like, oh, you forgot
about this guy who
wore like number five
and what we cover
the major sports, like, you
know, I don't know,
whoever's in the
indie car number five,
like, I'm not going
to mention them
on everything.
I only know one
by Johnston.
Jimmy Johnson was a
was a banger.
So Kevin Harvick was a
was a big guy for me.
You want me a
lot of money
and DFS.
Number five, we have
NHL defenseman
Norris Trophy
multi-time winner Nick
Lidstrom, Nick
Lidstrom.
In the Stanley Cup
right now, we have
Airdre Neckblad.
Number five, on
the panthers.
From her first overall
and, uh, C.
OHL Exceptional Status.
One of only 3 players.
How do you
get OHL Exceptional Status
you apply?
im einfachen Jahr.
Imnousyl ihre Hütte, macht'sайн und Rob Schramp.
Zeichen sie tun jetzt.
Elon doch nicht tun jetzt mit Twitter.
Small Passingdown um der pixelschecktion.
Fieldslein nach dem Clintonen.
Macino sich von dervocalenめて eingefahren an.
Weird das nicht gutnic?
Oder das hat es irgendwie alguns zu fahren.
Joey D. Magio.
There you go, dude.
John Tavaris.
Glad I'm David.
David, Sean Day.
Shane Wright.
Joe Valano.
Wow.
Wow.
And look where he is now.
Just more and more false information right here on circles.
And look where Joe Valano is now.
Got that suspended for stomping on a guy's leg in the world championships.
Yeah.
You said Joe DiMaggio?
Jolton Joe?
Yeah.
Boys, you want to go out?
Also, you know who is like a very un...
I'll call him underrated.
Like when I say him, people will be like,
oh, but like, people don't really remember him.
But when you're talking about the best players in the late 90s, early 2000s,
Jeff Bagwell.
Jeff.
Number five.
Jeff Bagwell.
Very underrated.
Ball player, I would say.
I got two Formula One drivers who don't the number five.
They're actually legendary.
Okay.
Michael Schumacher.
My boy.
Honestly, I don't think I ever cried so hard watching a documentary as I did Schumacher.
And this one says Sebastian Vettel.
Yeah, Vettel did.
In honor of Schumacher.
Yeah.
Because he was his idol growing up.
Yeah.
There you go.
Donovan McNabb, blowing chunks in the huddle.
We're in number five in the Super Bowl.
Joe Flacco, who built the career off of defensive pass interference.
It's lots of good number fives.
I got a thing.
Who's the number five that's retired to the Maple Leafs?
I was trying to think of who wore number five on the Leafs.
I was thinking of Jason Blake, but you were 55.
I actually have a, you guys do.
So the Leafs have a retired number five.
I'm just trying to think who it is because if it's some, no.
We missed them last week.
Five is Bill Baroco.
Bill Baroco.
No, we missed half day.
Okay.
We got to tell the story now.
If people don't know about Bill Baroco.
That's the reason that the Leafs haven't won the Cups in 67.
Tragically hip, did a song.
Bill Baroco disappeared.
So half day, if you guys want to know the biggest legend.
One of the biggest legends in sports history.
If you don't, you don't have day.
Half day.
You know, half day, Zach?
Yeah.
Number four for the Leafs, an absolute Leafs legend.
Born in 1901 in Owen Sound, Ontario.
Okay, ready for this guy's story?
Played in the OHA?
Yeah.
Played in the OHA as a teenager.
Join the University of Toronto.
Yeah.
Played as a left winger.
In 1927, the St.Pats were purchased by Consmouth.
Yeah.
And they were renamed to the Toronto Maple Leafs.
So he was the inaugural Toronto Maple Leafs player.
Okay.
Half day.
The first ever captain in Leafs history.
Became whatever.
Keep going so he plays.
Whatever.
He's him and King Clancy are the top defensive paring in the NHL.
They win a bunch of Stanley Cubs.
All good.
Works great.
Okay, ready for what happens next?
He takes a hiatus from playing for two years and becomes the head official in the NHL.
He's the head referee.
Wow.
In the NHL.
Took a sabbatical and he just joined the referee.
The defenseman, he would have won the Norris if James Norris had probably even been playing
at that time, which he wasn't.
Then, then gets even better.
Guy for the next couple years goes on to work as the head coach of the Leafs.
Returns to the Leafs as coach.
Okay.
You know what this guy sounds like?
Sorry to interrupt you.
But he's like the guy that was playing and blamed everybody else.
Right?
He's like, God damn it.
I'll show these guys how to ref a game.
And then, like, these coaches, they don't know what they're, I'll show these guys how to coach a game.
That's what the sabbatical is about.
He takes a hiatus from his 11-year tenure as captain to work as a referee for two years before then joining the Leafs as head coach
and leading the team to five Cubs in ten seasons.
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
Winning his head coach in history until someone passed him now, but he sees second.
And then, after that, in 1950, Khan Smythe promoted Hab Data Assistant General Manager.
Gets his seventh cup as the Assistant GM.
And then, he goes president of hockey operations and general manager.
What an absolute legend.
The guy straight up was every position.
He worked his way up.
He did every position, including an official in the Leafs.
Clarence Henry Day.
Is that his name?
Later known as Hapday.
I like Hapday.
You know what?
You know what's all, like, I think about this a lot.
I'm obviously not playing pro sports in my mid-30s or never was close to playing pro sports.
But Hapday, you can make a pretty banger signature out of.
Robert Pizzola.
It's hard to make a...
I guess with the Zeds or the Zees, you can do something cool with those, but it doesn't work.
When I was playing, there was even more.
I didn't even know that he was a successful business owner after.
Do you think you have a good signature or no?
Like a good...
It's not okay, not the best, not the worst.
Yeah, we're not going to put our signatures out in public because I don't want somebody to steal my identity.
But we'll be nice to have a vote on the signature.
All right, I'm glad I was able to spread some knowledge and at least share the story of Hapday.
This is all real too, by the way, not like last week.
Well, there are false information.
Which I've been told my whole life by everybody.
You are fake news.
Hapday was an absolute made beliefs legend.
He passed away probably 30, 40 years ago.
1990.
He passed away.
1999.
So there you go.
Hapday leaps legend.
We missed him last week.
Sorry about that.
Hap, but I'm glad we can get the shout out in.
When we were back then, I'm like, oh, when Hapday comes, I'm going to tell this story on number four.
You missed it.
I thought he was honestly number six.
Screw the pooch part.
Actually, I shouldn't say that, Pete, I'll be after us.
All right.
I think we're done here.
We'll see everybody next week.
We'll be back.
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See you.