TRUMP PANICS OVER GAG ORDER AND GOING TO PRISON - 9.21.23

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And I don't know where this ends, but at the far end of the political science fiction, where it ends is a shootout between United States marshals and United States secret service agents. Either way, it is enough of a story that I think it's bigger than the, oh, sexual assault accusation against Rudy Giuliani by Cassidy Hutchinson and bigger than Lynn Wood flipping on the entire Trump team and bigger than a tweet from junior Trump announcing his father had died. He was hacked, we think. Trump writes, deranged Jack Smith's, and parenthetically, Jack Smith says thanks for more evidence done, deranged Jack Smith's gag order request would make it impossible for me to speak negatively about Biden and other subjects of incompetence, how ridiculous no more First Amendment. And regardless of whatever triggered that in Trump's forever malfunctioning, perpetually paranoid, mainly martyrdom brain, it signals yet again that if Judge Chuck can actually impose his limits on what Trump can and cannot say or write or both, we are headed for a genuine confrontation. Trump is told not to attack or obstruct the prosecution, the judge, the witnesses, the jury pool. He agrees under oath within 72 hours he does it anyway. Six weeks later, the prosecutor tells the judge he did it anyway and has kept on doing it and she has to do something and he cites among dozens of other things the repeated use of the adjective deranged in social media posts and Trump responds by using the adjective deranged in a social media post. And the prosecutor points in particular at Trump's lie that he was indicted at the orders of the president of the United States and Trump comes back and repeats the lie and expands it into something that would be totally delightful and totally illegal. Some kind of court order in which Trump can never comment about Biden again. There's a consummation devoutly to be wished. And as I said, it's also illegal. But Trump is clearly neither bowing to the instructions of a federal judge nor adhering to his own agreement to those instructions. And that is the essence here because I feel like the announcer in the timeless Bob and Ray sketch about the driving of the golden strike. That's it, ladies and gentlemen. The golden spike is driven. The transcontinental railroad is complete. And here come the trains one from the east and one from the west. I'm standing here seeing this madness unfolding. And I know that the next thing is a full-on head-on high-speed train wreck. What happens if Chuck and doesn't opt to punish and corral him by just moving up the start of the insurrection trial, say one day for every violation or doesn't opt to do only that. But actually institutes a gag order of some kind, even a minimal one. And Trump ignores it. And Trump calls her deranged. And Trump says it's illegal. And Trump continues to defy the court. His bail, his not being kept in a jail cell in the District of Columbia until the trial starts, is dependent on him not defying the court. As I said last week at some point, whatever limitations Chuck can impose is upon him. When he violates them, whether it is the first time he violates them or the 50th time he violates them, he's not going to surrender. He's not going to let them put him in prison. They're going to have to go and get him. And what happens then? It seems madness to risk lives of marshals or secret service agents to protect this semi-sentient pile of feces. But what you're going to have the secret service agents protecting him, turn around and arrest him. Or Biden is going to order the head of the secret service to order his men to stand down when the marshals arrive. Trump is going to see the photo shoot value and an actual perp walk and just say, sure, take me to prison. I'm not counting on that last one. Rolling stone now reports that as you would expect the, I don't think about jail crap that he gave to the gullible Kristen Welker in last Sunday's stenography class is nonsense. Quoting, in the past several months, Donald Trump has had a burning question for some of his confidants and attorneys. Would the authorities make him wear, quote, one of those chump suits, unquote, in prison? Three sources familiar with his comments say he's been asking lawyers and other people close to him what a prison sentence would look like for a former American president. Would he be sent to a club fed style prison or a bad prison? Would he serve out a sentence in a plush home confinement? Those who have heard him ask these questions about a hypothetical sentencing. Tell Rolling Stone that it's clear the gravity of his mounting legal peril is getting to Trump. Unquote. As an aside, I understand, Jan Wenner is asking the same questions, but seriously, folks, Trump's lawyers have to submit an answer by Monday. So they have discussed the Smith-Gag order motion. And at some point, they have to have discussed the response or will discuss the response with Trump. And that's where the social media outburst could have originated. Or somebody read Trump a quote article at right-part quote news. That is their standard formula, a right-wing nut job. In this case, the former head writer for the former Tucker Carlson tweets something. In this case, it was the Trump gag order is truly insane. The Washington Post then prints a piece critical of the proposed order written by their hyper conservative guy who they gave an opinion job to based on his tenure as a Wall Street Journal editorial page editor. And before that, a writer for the now bankrupt American interest magazine that had been funded by the Nixon Foundation. Now, now seriously, that Nixon, Nixon, who like Reagan is still damaging this country from hell. Anyway, bright part aggregates these two throwaway opinions, slaps on the headline, Smith's gag order would essentially ban Trump from criticizing Biden critics say critics, as if the critics, the Nixon guy and the Tucker Carlson guy, as if these critics were HL Mankin and Pauline Kale. And hours later, coincidentally or not, Trump posts the gag order would make it quote impossible for me to speak negatively about Biden. It's unlikely Trump just sees that on his own. It is brought to him by somebody. If you want speculation out of whole cloth that sounds like the question was his tantrum inspired by that or by the lawyers might actually be a false choice. It's probably both. The lawyers probably told him in the last few days how they plan to answer the gag order request next Monday. And they were realistic. And maybe that's where the rolling stone. He's worried about the orange jumpsuit like, oh, now he's worried about orange story comes from. And maybe then Trump calls his real legal advisor, his non attorney spokesman, Tom Fitton and says, not in so many words, but says, I want you to tell me what I want to hear. And that's what Tom Fitton does. And Fitton does it. And I'll just mention again that Tom Fitton will never know this. But he is one of the leading opponents of Trump alive today. So that other stuff I mentioned, Rudy Giuliani sexually assaulted Cassidy Hutchinson on January 6th in the Trump green room slash tent while Trump was inciting the insurrection. What did you do during the insurrection, Rudy? No, it's who did I do? This is in her book. Quote, by the way, he says, fingering the fabric, I'm loving this leather jacket on you. His hand slips under my blazer, then my skirt. I feel his frozen fingers trail up my thigh. This is the most serious sexual misconduct allegation against Rudolph Giuliani in nearly four months. We got a denial from a friend of Rudy's name Ted, not from Rudy's lawyer because, of course, Rudy's lawyer is suing him because Rudy didn't pay because Rudy was indicted in Georgia. And this reminds me to remind you that I met Rudy like 26, 27 years ago. And when people who only know him from 9-11 say, what a fall for an American hero or what happened to this Giuliani, I always say, I don't know what happened, but it happened sometime before 1995. I'll tell that whole story again later in this edition. In any event, Cassidy Hutchinson's story is in her new book Enough, which will be published next Tuesday, and the Guardian is quoting from it because here's another shock. Somehow, a copy was accidentally released in advance of publication, and it found its way to a newspaper, which makes 387 consecutive controversial books where the same thing has happened. I know. And oh, by the way, as Giuliani groped her during January 6th, Miss Hutchinson writes, John Eastman watched and leared. And one assumes the load some Eastman just have problems with elections. All this Trump lawyer talked naturally evokes the name Lin Wood, who went from defending Richard Jewel, who was not the Atlanta Olympic bomber, and Gary Condit, who did not kill his congressional intern, went from that to something, something Jesus slay them, something, something Trump, something, something they can kill me, but and then poof, early this year, Lin Wood disappeared. And now we know why. New filing from Fanny Willis in Georgia, key line in it, quote, L. Lin Wood is a witness for the state in the present case. And now we know what a post that L. Lin Wood made about a month ago meant in which he said he had testified to the special grand jury. And he wanted to thank the district attorney's office for being so professional and polite. And he flipped. He totally flipped. And now he tells the Atlanta journal constitution that sure he's been subpoenaed. And they've told him they expect him to testify, but quote, I didn't flip on president Trump. That's just pure nonsense. I wouldn't have any knowledge to flip on him. And the reporter asked him, well, okay, then what did you testify to that grand jury about? And his answer was, quote, I don't have a copy of my testimony. And I don't want to go on memory, unquote, which means he totally flipped on Trump. And even more totally flipped on Sydney Powell. And maybe on Giuliani and Eastman. Here's hoping. And then there's junior's Twitter account yesterday morning, quote, I'm sad to announce my father, Donald Trump, has passed away. I will be running for president in 2024. And Ken Clippenstein wrote, obviously hacked but lol. And I wrote, why? Obviously, because the junior tweet and several dumber and more vulgar ones vanished, but there's still no explanation from junior about that or any claim that he was hacked. And then a tweet showed up on Eric Trump's feed reading, I don't want my brother to get his account back. This is all too entertaining. And then that tweet disappeared. But soon in its place, there was a new one that was still there last time I looked that reads, what was my brother's password? Don 2024? So now, not only am I not really sure if junior got hacked or if somebody just tampered with his supply. But what I am sure of, I guarantee you this, this is a universal with cultist despots, the world over century after century. They used to say this about Sodom who's saying all the time, seriously used to say this, I am certain that in a matter of weeks, tops, maybe sooner, this will be the basis of an online proclamation somewhere that Trump, Trump senior, dementia J, the defendant, that Trump actually did die on September 20th, 2023, what his son even announced it on Twitter, but he came back to life because he is immortal and he was sent here by Jesus to make sure America defeats the communists in order to get a handle on those out of control bacon prices. Also of interest here, did you hear that question that representative sparts of Indiana asked Merrick Garland at the judiciary hearing yesterday? Okay, good, you heard it. Now, did you understand it? Because I'm not sure anybody understood what the hell she was saying, certainly Merrick Garland didn't, that's next, this is countdown. This is in retrospect, a podcast about pop culture from the 80s and 90s that shaped us. I'm very much a product of the pop culture I consumed and I don't think that's a bad thing. I'm Jessica Bennett, a New York Times writer and bestselling author. I'm Susie Bette Karam, an award winning TV producer and filmmaker. Every week, we'll revisit a moment in cultural history that we just can't stop thinking about. From tabloid headlines to illicit student teacher relationships and one very memorable red swimsuit. I found myself in Pamela Anderson's attic as you do. I put that red swimsuit in a safe because it seemed everybody wanted it. We're digging deep to better understand with these moments taught us about the world and our place in it. I want you to really smell the axe body spray that emanated during this time. It was presented more as kind of like a crime topic and that's not a lie. It had been branded on the uterus of every single woman from C to shining C. Listen to in retrospect on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 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Well, as I promised, the day I met Rudy Giuliani and in retrospect, I guess I'm just glad he didn't try to feel me up. Actually, that would have been one of the only things he could have done that day, 27, 26 years ago, that would have lessened my sense that he was some kind of replicant or being from another planet. Things I promised not to tell about Rudy. Coming up, first time for the daily roundup of the miscreants, morons, undunning program expressiveness who constitute today's worst persons in the world. The bronze JD Vance. Now, you may have heard that JD Vance was elected Senator from Ohio last November and you may have wondered to yourself, when does JD Vance take office? When does JD Vance start serving the people of his state of Ohio? And the answer is, he doesn't. JD Vance just keeps on doing what he did on the campaign trail, which is mostly tweeting. Now it's quote, Ukraine is holding an American journalist hostage, this is a disgrace, and why is the Biden administration opening up the checkbook without any accountability? Boy, when you can push more than one lie per sentence in a tweet, you are a pro JD Vance. There's accountability. There's also no such thing as quote opening up the checkbook without any accountability. That sentence makes no sense JD Vance. Ukraine also JD Vance is not holding the guy hostage JD Vance. He's under arrest JD Vance. And he's not a journalist JD Vance. Other than that, you have summarized the story precisely JD Vance. The man's name is Gonzalo Lira. He's a YouTuber and he went into Ukraine in the middle of an invasion of Ukraine by Russia and he went into the war zone and he began asking Ukrainian citizens are getting bombed nightly and not in a good sense. And Ukrainian military people about what this guy calls the false narrative, because he says he's in Russia not some place called Ukraine and the other false narrative that Russia did anything wrong. And guess what? In any country in the history of the world under invasion, you can be arrested for siding with the, you know, invading bombing guys. Holding them hostage JD Vance. You're holding common sense hostage JD Vance. Also, pro tip. The beard makes you look 500 pounds, dude. The runner up Victoria sparts the lame duck congress person from Indiana born in Ukraine, but not quite as smooth in English as, say, President Zelensky. Miss sparts apparently got elected and I say this as the descendant of immigrants from everywhere from crack off to Alsace, Lorraine. I think she got elected because her constituents did not know what the hell she was saying and they just assumed it was good conservative gibberish. The House Judiciary Committee did not exactly cover itself in glory in examining Merrick Garland. Yesterday, mainly the problem was that nobody asked any questions. They just made speeches. They could play to their audience to assure that they wouldn't be primary. I mean, I'm surprised none of them said, is tape rolling? But sparts was the only one who rendered Merrick Garland speechless. When she asked, quote, are you aware that a lot of Americans are now afraid of being prosecuted by her department? Are you aware about that? Are you aware of that? I'm just saying, are you aware or not? Now, I think I know what the question actually is there, but I would note that yes, this is the first time anybody in the history of the United States was ever discomputed by the thought that they might be prosecuted by the Department of Justice. Oh no, I'm being investigated by the Department of Justice. Let's have a party. Christ how stupid that woman is. But our winner, little Jimmy O'Keefe, the con man behind Project Veritas, but remember, he was the con man with a song in his heart. He took all of his little propaganda and slander outfits money and he invested it in musicals in which he could star. Seriously, then they kicked him out, then his successor as CEO Hannah Giles fired everybody. Now she's announced the entire outfit has closed, suspended operations, all investigations halted. The reason for the demise of Project Veritas? Quote financial ruin, unquote. But they do leave a pristine record in 13 years they did not do one ethical or honest thing. But now comes the real question. Who will think about the revival of Oklahoma they didn't know they were funding that Jimmy O'Keefe was starring in when somebody think of Oklahoma when somebody think of Curly? How could it be? Oh, what a beautiful morning if they have to sell the Surrey with the fringe on the top. Oh, Keefe Homa where the bankruptcy comes sweeping down the pain and the running feet of those feeling heat when the cops come right behind the rain. You're doing fine Jimmy O'Keefe Homa, O'Keefe Homa, Oive. I should have called Nancy about that, shouldn't I? Jimmy O'Keefe also before they go under they should change the name of the thing to Project Vino Veritas. Today's worst person in the world. This is In Retrospect, a podcast about pop culture from the 80s and 90s that shaped us. I'm very much a product of the pop culture I consumed and I don't think that's a bad thing. I'm Jessica Bennett, a New York Times writer and bestselling author. I'm Susie Bedecarem, an award winning TV producer and filmmaker. Every week we'll revisit a moment in cultural history that we just can't stop thinking about. From tabloid headlines to illicit student teacher relationships and one very memorable red swimsuit. I found myself in Pamela Anderson's attic as you do. I put that red swimsuit in a safe because it seemed everybody wanted it. We're digging deep to better understand what these moments taught us about the world and our place in it. I want you to really smell the axe body spray that emanated during this time. It was presented more as kind of like a crime topic. It had been branded on the uteruses of every single woman from C to shining C. Listen to In Retrospect on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Fantasy football fans, the NFL season is here and now is the time to get ready to dominate your leads. The best way to crush your opponents this season is to listen to the NFL Fantasy football podcast. Come hang out with me. Mark is grand and my pal Michael F. Florio as we give you all the info you need to absolutely steamroll your fantasy league and bring home a championship. You don't need to spend hours each day breaking down every stat and every stitch of game tape to set a winning lineup. That's our job. We'll provide all the insights you need to set the best lineups each week. All you need to do is listen to the NFL Fantasy football podcast when it drops five times a week. If you're looking for a smart, fun, and entertaining path to dominating your fantasy leagues, then look no further than the show straight from the source at NFL media. Do it before it's too late. Subscribe now and listen to the NFL Fantasy football podcast on the iHeartRadio app on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. What's good, y'all? It's your main man, Michael Smith, a steamed NFL analyst and certified fantasy football legend. Allow me to present to you your new favorite fantasy football podcast, The Dynasty Exchange, hosted by my first round rookie picks, Davis, Dylan, and Josh. Three guys who most definitely know their stuff. They're the co-commissioners of the coolest and most cutthroat dynasty league you'll ever come across. The yacht club, and now they're the co-hosts of the most elite. Now make that the definitive dynasty program in the game. It's dedicated to only the most devoted of die hearts. The guys like me who can't stay off sleeper in KTC and trust me, you won't regret making the choice to follow their dynasty advice. Listen to Michael Smith presents The Dynasty Exchange on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Mike Wright from the fantasy footballers Dynasty podcast. You heard that right. The fantasy footballers have officially entered the dynasty space. Every week we bring you the same in-depth analysis and entertainment you've come to expect from the fantasy footballers only now from a dynasty perspective. Maybe you've been living in the dynasty fantasy football space for a while. Well, we're here to take your game to the next level. Maybe you love fantasy football and you've been feeling that itch to jump into the dynasty format, but it feels a little bit intimidating. No matter where you're coming from, the fantasy footballers Dynasty podcast has something for you and you're going to have a great time listening. I promised. Join me and the rest of the crew every Wednesday for a new episode. Listen to the fantasy footballers Dynasty podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to the number one story on the countdown and my favorite topic, me and things I promised not to tell. I hear this question about Rudy Giuliani a lot. When did his life go so horribly horribly wrong? Here was America's mayor, the rock, in the hours of crisis after 9-11. What is he now? After literally years of trying to sell the Hunter Biden laptop story, who does the Hunter Biden laptop story bite him? For seasons gardening, the mascara running down his face gaseous emissions at phony election hearings, the Sasha Baron Cohen film. I mean, even back then, I thought it was nuts that people actually thought Rudy Giuliani was the front runner for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination while he was widely held to be just that in 2006 and 2007. And by the time it happened, he was already on his way to spending millions of dollars to finish last. But it was the final nail in the coffin in which he still lives. At a Democratic debate in 2007, October 30th, before the field shook out everybody but Obama and Hillary, one of the other candidates was excoriating the Republicans and their exploitation of terrorism and the al-Qaeda attacks, and that other candidate said of Giuliani, quote, there's only three things he mentions in a sentence, a noun, a verb, and 9-11. The candidate was Joe Biden. The phrase, a noun, a verb, and 9-11 ended Rudy Giuliani's career and Giuliani's dislike of Joe Biden. Many decades old turn to hatred at that exact moment, which is why we got to where we got to in 2020. That was also the exact moment at which any hopes Giuliani had of being elected anything anywhere ever again vanished. But it was clear to me as far back as September 2001 that sadly what we saw at that time was a bad man having a few good days. Before that month was out, Giuliani's response to the attack on democracy was to himself attack democracy to propose that the November election to choose his successor to be mayor of New York should be postponed or that at least he should stay on for a few months as co-mayor because he was irreplaceable. There had always been more subtle hints that Giuliani was never a good man, just a slightly smarter one, a more devious one, the venomous Rudy, the scheming Rudy, the amoral Rudy, the Rudy with a bad song in his heart leaked out from time to time and often inside the world of sports, which is where I met him. You will remember Rudy Giuliani was a professional New York Yankees fan. He always went to the games for free, mind you, dug out seats for himself, his wife, his other wife, his next wife, the kids, the friends. When I still had friends in Yankee Stadium they estimated Rudy used to cost them thousands of dollars every time he showed up. He always left via the clubhouse, he always wore a Yankees cap, he built himself as quote the number one Yankee fan and then when the Boston Red Sox were playing in the 2007 World Series when he was campaigning for president and New Hampshire, Rudy Giuliani suddenly announced he was rooting for the Red Sox. This is like being a Trump fan and announcing you are rooting for democracy. But I went back with Rudy Giuliani even longer than that. In 1995 where 1996 I was asked by the deputy mayor of New York City, Fran Reiter and the staff of the baseball hall of fame to travel from ESPN in Connecticut literally to the steps of New York City Hall to emcee an event for what must have been 35 members of the baseball hall of fame, maybe the largest group of them ever assembled in one place in one moment in time. The deputy mayor approached me and the mayor a few steps behind her on that gorgeous spring day as she began to introduce us she realized he had begun to wander off. Rudy, Rudy, she bellowed, he wandered back. Rudy this is Keith Alderman from ESPN, he's going to be the emcee. You will have to introduce him after you speak. The mayor seemed to be having trouble focusing on me or anything else. I thought of the old joke, just just keep your eyes on the overman in the middle. He extended a hand, missed mine, then recalibrated as we shook hands he grunted. The deputy mayor now roared at him. Rudy, you have to introduce him. His name is Keith Alderman from ESPN, he's the emcee. Giuliani turned and looked at her like he'd never seen her before he grunted again. Deputy mayor writer now screamed at Rudy Giuliani. Repented to me. He looked at me, then he looked back at her and he said his name is Keith Alderman from ESPN, he's the emcee where the annoyance writer said thank you and Giuliani smiled and wandered off again. And I half seriously thought did I just meet a body double? Is he a replicant? You see a well built robot? This can't be the actual mayor. Well it was, I took my seat in the front row of the stage that had been built atop the city hall steps as the crowd gathered and it was a good one maybe three or four hundred people. The president of the Hall of Fame spoke first the mayor sat next to me. Giuliani leaned in at one point and whispered to me, your name is Keith Alderman from ESPN, you're the emcee. I talk I introduce you. I said something encouraging and he smiled broadly like a child who was about to get some candy. The president of the baseball Hall of Fame wrapped up introduced Giuliani who bounced up to the stage and thanked him and got his name wrong. He then launched into a speech taking credit for the great weather and the terrific early season performance of the New York Yankees and the New York Mets and the Brooklyn Dodgers and the New York giants who had moved out of New York in 1957. But if he had been mayor then they wouldn't have moved out in New York would have the four teams it deserves and look at all these great players. Let me now turn it over to a good friend of mine and a great baseball man and he looked at me and he forgot everything. Silence. Titters of laughter from the crowd and finally he looked the other way behind him where the deputy mayor had her head in her hands. Rudy Giuliani into a microphone that picked up everything he said said loudly. What's his name? Who is he? Then now the titters of laughter in the crowd turned to a little bit louder laughter and some of the Hall of Fame players seated behind me gave me pats of consolation on my shoulder. Fran writer screamed Keith Alderman from ESPN the MC you repeated it to me. Giuliani turned back to the crowd as if there had been no way they could have heard or seen any of this and he said so let me turn it over to a good friend of mine and a great baseball man Keith Alderman our NC from ESPN I just sat there more laughs more consolation from the players behind me. I can still hear the laugh of the late Detroit Tigers great Al Kayline rising above the others all later came over to commiserate as I thought should I get there and say thank you mayor dingins or better yet thank you mayor LaGuardia I then concluded no I can't do that I'm representing ESPN I'm representing the baseball Hall of Fame as I thought that he sent it again so now I got up and I told the crowd sorry I wasn't sure he meant me so if you are saying to yourself what on earth happened to Rudy Giuliani with that brown schfits pouring down his face I am saying to you he has been this crazy for at least 30 years you were just lucky enough to have not previously noticed it is all true or my name ain't Keith Oldman our NC from ESPN I've done all the damage I can do here thank you for listening countdown has come to you from the studios of the olderman broadcasting empire in New York the music you've heard was for the most part arranged produced and performed by countdown musical directors Brian Ray and John Philip Chanel Brian Ray handled the guitar space and drums John Philip Chanel did the orchestration and keyboards was produced by TKO brothers other music including some Beethoven tunes were arranged and performed by no horns allowed sports music is courtesy of ESPN and it was written by Mitch Warren Davis and we caught the olderman theme from ESPN too our satirical and pithy musical comments are by Nancy Faust the best baseball stadium organist ever and our announcer today was my friend Richard Lewis everything else was pretty much my fault so that's countdown for this the 989th day since Donald Trump's first attempted coup against the democratically elected government of the United States can victim now while we still can the next scheduled countdown is tomorrow if my throat permits till man I'm Keith Oldman good morning good afternoon good night and good luck countdown with Keith Oldman is a production of iHeart Radio for more podcasts from iHeart Radio visit the iHeart Radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts sometimes the pop culture we love is teens hits differently in retrospect maybe it's a tabloid story we couldn't get enough of or an illicit student teacher relationship on our favorite show we're Susie Bannock-Harram and Jessica Bennett posts of the new podcast in retrospect where each week we'll revisit a cultural moment from the past that shaped us and probably you to try to understand what it taught us about the world and our place in it you're the first person that I've talked to about this for years and years listen to in retrospect on the iHeart Radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you find your favorite shows see that sign employees only that means keep out buddy it's just for us by well employees this is where we talk freely about all the stuff happening in the world you can keep Meghan Markle for all I care as long as I get to take Harry to a weekend in Vegas I'm happy it's employees only courtesy of Ron Howard the new podcast from Imagine Audio pretty fast in iHeart Media listen on the iHeart Radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts hi I'm Hillary Clinton back with a new season of my podcast you and me both on this show I'll be talking to people I admire about one of my favorite subjects getting things done we'll hear from folks in positions of power like Democratic leader Jeffries but also writers and actors and really anyone who keeps doing the work so please join me listen to you and me both on the iHeart Radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts with a level of understanding for everyone it's up their podcast sees through the smoking mirrors within the industry while delivering a perspective that's one of a kind laugh cry and soak in game with every episode listen to it's up their podcasts on the black effect podcast network iHeart Radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts