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Okay, hi Catherine.
Oh, hello Chelsea.
Hello, all listeners.
I am currently in Mathes Vineyard, with my family Vakay and we have cousins coming.
We have, I just got here, so I'm so low.
And my family arrives and starts to ruin everything probably in four to six days.
And I have my show coming up at the East Hampton Clubhouse, August 26th.
So that's right around the corner.
If you haven't got tickets and you're at East Hampton, get them.
It's an intimate show and there are still tickets left.
So I'm not really sure what that's about.
But anyway, my family is coming and we added some people.
I always like to add randoms into the mix on family implications because my family's always like,
who's coming?
It's like, no, you're a fucking business.
So yeah, so we have, but my cousins are coming this year and my Aunt Gabby,
who's my queen bitch in our family.
She's the one who created the bitches in our family.
I love it.
I we blame her.
I love it.
She's very anti social.
And yet she wants to be with everybody.
Yeah, she likes to be there, but she doesn't want to be in the mix.
She wants everybody around her just like my mom did.
My mom would go upstairs and bring a liver worst sandwich, like so gross.
I wouldn't even go into her bedroom when she had one of those until it was consumed.
And she would just keep her door open.
And my mom would just sit there and listen to us.
She's like, the best joy in my life is to listen to my family.
I'm like, but not be interacting with any of us.
My dad is a little bit like your aunt where he at family gatherings,
like he loves to be there, but he wants to like sit quietly in the corner by himself
and just sort of like watch everybody, which is, you know, just sort of a weird dad move.
But now my sister's husband, who is friends with my dad, he's kind of the same way.
So they just like sit quietly in the corner and like sometimes
I'm not interested in being quiet.
I like to be quiet, but in solitude.
But like when you're in a family gathering,
we have too many people in our family that don't fucking talk.
And they're not really.
Yeah, yeah.
My sister's husband, barely talks ever.
My sister's son is very shy, but he's warming up at the tender age of 10 or 12 or 13.
And I'm not really sure how old he is.
I have too many nieces and nephews to keep track, but he's not 10.
But yeah, we have, there's a lot of quiet.
And I'm like, we need action.
You know, we need action within the family.
Chelsea, I stumbled upon an architectural digested video of one of your home tours,
like your old house.
And you're like really into design, an architecture.
I'm into it.
I like what I like.
I mean, I like, yes, I'm into it, but I'm not like somebody, you know,
who's going to be designing their own furniture.
Although I did design my new house in a way.
Yeah, I'm into design.
I like very specific vibe.
When I go somewhere and when I live somewhere.
So yes, I'm into soft contemporary.
Like I like modern.
I do not like traditional.
That's not my vibe.
Although my new house is kind of traditional.
It is traditional, but we modernized it.
So it's like it was white and then we painted it all black.
My designer kept trying to take me back down traditional fixtures.
And I'm like, that's just not the way that I like things.
I don't like how do I say?
Like how can I describe?
Boring.
No, it's not boring because it's really nicely done in certain people's homes.
It's just not my style.
Like I don't want it to feel family.
I want it to feel bachelor at pad, you know what I mean?
Like I don't want it to feel like, okay, everybody gather around the dinner table.
It's like, I don't sit at the fucking dinner table.
You know, so that's not a main feature in my house.
The dining room.
And I like it casual, but you know, nice stuff.
Yeah.
And it seems like you like communal in a way of, you like to entertain.
And I like opening.
I like everything to be open.
I like lots of glass.
I like a lot of black borders, you know, like the stay the chrome, the stainless steel glass borders,
glass windows that have the black trim.
I love that.
Yes.
But I need it to be sexy.
Yeah.
Do you think it's going to be done by the time you come back?
Oh, I'm homeless now.
So I mean, I'm just basically, I'm like on the lamb.
I haven't had a home yet.
It's supposed to be done in September.
I'll be in my archive for the month of September.
After this, I go to my archive after my show in the Hamptons.
And then I come back and I do all my fall dates.
So if you haven't gotten tickets to shows in Columbus, or Cincinnati, or New York, or DC,
or any of these fun places that I'm going, get them.
And I'm really looking forward to getting back on, on tour.
It's so nice to do my stand up for three months and then take a three month break and go back to it.
It's the best way to do stand up so that you never, for me, so I don't get sick of my own material.
I mean, I can imagine you can burn out because you're so busy.
And it's like so draining to be traveling all the time, at least.
Yeah, but now I'm on vacation.
I've been on vacation for so long.
My life has been so luscious.
I'm so grateful.
Awesome.
Okay, so our guest today is a personal friend of mine.
I love and adore this girl.
I shouldn't say girl.
She's a woman.
But to me, she's a girl because I'm so much older than her.
She's a Grammy nominee and a CMA award-winning pop country artist.
And an extended version of her new album rolling up the welcome mat came out this week.
Please welcome Kelsey Ballerini.
Oh, oh, oh, there's my Chiquita Banana.
Chiquita Banana.
Hi, friend.
Oh, my God.
Welcome home from that vacation.
Thank you.
It was a nice little break.
Tell us about your vacation with Kenny Chesney.
If you didn't have your new boyfriend there, I would have thought you and Kenny had become a couple FYI.
That was a hot take for a minute.
That was not true.
Kenny's, he's become my brother, which sounds insane, but I'm from Knoxville.
He's from Knoxville.
And I grew up listening to him.
So I had a song about my hometown a couple of years ago called Half of my hometown.
And I just like out of the blue called him.
I was like, will you be on the song?
He said yes.
Through that, we became really good friends.
And then I toured within this last summer.
And we just became family.
And so he took me to his house, which house isn't even the right word.
It's just like, he owns like a full mountain range.
A mountain range.
It's wild.
This is Catherine, by the way, my co-host.
I am.
So Kelsey and I became friends because our names rhyme.
And that was what brought us together.
Off the topic, I wanted to ask you something about the country music industry.
Because every time I go to Nashville, I actually performed in your hometown recently, Knoxville.
And it was the most fun ever.
I mean, all the cities in Tennessee, I had the best time.
I went to Dollywood.
I performed at Graceland.
I was like, oh my god, I was getting the full Tennessee treatment.
I was like, oh my god, if I go to Tennessee and come out of this alive, it'll be a miracle.
And then I did.
And they were the best audiences.
Like, every time I go to a community or a part of the country that I think is going to be like,
you know, resistant, I end up having the best shows.
That makes me so happy.
Yes.
Well, so I guess my question is, so every time I go to Nashville, which is, you know, usually I warm up my tour there.
I always go to Zany's Nashville.
And the music community just shows up in droves to my shows.
And it's so sweet.
Because I don't know all of these people, but I know some of them.
And I want to know, like, I know you have a lot of friendships within the music community.
But it feels like a much more supportive community than say Hollywood and actors and actresses.
What do you think about the support that you get from other country stars?
Would you say that that's kind of the attitude across the board or what?
Yeah, there's a lot of camaraderie.
I mean, I feel like the last few years, just like every other part of pop culture.
There's definitely been more division.
People kind of pick teams and sides on things.
And you've seen that in country for sure.
But yeah, I mean, like, I look back.
I've put out my first single to radio nine years ago.
And the kind of the biggest turning points of my career have been mostly the women,
some men, mostly the women that I grew up on, turning around.
And either reaching out their hand and being like, hey, come share my stage with me.
Or calling me out of the blue and being like, what do you need?
How are you stealing?
Let me give you advice.
And that's in me is the most telling part of like the country music that I grew up on.
And I was like, I stars in my eyes, I want to be part of that.
It was the warmth in the community that I felt when I was listening on the radio
and that has translated to me.
I mean, there's still like competitive energy.
I think there has to be, listen, to be successful, you have to be competitive.
That's just the way it is.
And it's really nothing actually to be ashamed about.
It's actually part of the motivation.
It's when you're jealous or envious and you let that come out more so than being just healthy competition.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've had to learn that too, just especially as a woman in entertainment, especially country music.
There's such a deficit of space, I guess, for us historically.
And so, yeah, I've really had to retrain my brain to go, am I feeling competitive with myself
or in a healthy manner with kind of where I'm at in my career and in the game?
Or am I feeling jealous because, you know, historically there's only been three spots
and there's three of us and we all deserve it.
So, like, I'm having to undo a lot of the things that I've said in the last 10 years feeling, really.
Yeah, but it's also something to remember that it is like a human.
It's a totally natural human emotion.
It's what you do with it.
You know, you can use it as a motivator or you can use it as a divider.
And it's like, oh, the people that learn that quick more quickly, you're better off.
You're better off because you can get consumed by another person's success if you're not where you want to be.
For sure, I had seasons of that too, but I don't know.
I feel like I've just recalibrated my life the last three years, really.
And I feel like I got to kind of shed that skin because I still, I've penned a lot of that on my youth.
And I feel like the last few years I shed that skin.
Yeah, the last time we saw each other in person, you and I were both broken up with our significant others,
but we didn't tell each other because...
We were both, you're like, how's Joe?
And I was like, great.
Meanwhile, we were broken up because I was hosting guest hosting Jimmy Kimmel.
This was almost a year ago.
And Kelsey was on and I was like, how's yours?
And she was like, great.
And we both were just like, we just couldn't even tell each other because it wasn't public on my end
and it wasn't public on her end.
And now we're a year out and you're in a new relationship with your adorable boyfriend, Chase.
And you seem happy as a pig in shit.
So I want to say, I'm happy for you.
And I want to ask you, what is it about this relationship that is making you so abulliant?
Oh my gosh.
Well, I was wondering if you were going to bring that up because we haven't talked about it.
But I think about that often because like I would consider our friends.
Like we've offline, we've hung out you and I.
And it was so funny to me that we both went into our public personas.
To give it context, we weren't hanging out alone.
I had Kelsey on as a guest on Jimmy Kimmel.
And Joe and I literally had broken up like the night before I started guest hosting.
So I wasn't telling anyone really except because I was like, I was just still just trying to focus on the job at hand.
And you were backstage and it was a moment.
If you and I had been to dinner or something, I'm sure we would have been a little bit more honest.
But yeah, we went into pure Hollywood mode.
I think that week was I didn't want anyone on staff to know that I had broken up with Joe because I didn't want them to feel like I needed special.
You know what I mean?
I just I work best when I'm under pressure and I have to hide something.
You a entertainer both.
Yeah.
I you know, to be honest with you, I don't even think I think I was still kind of in my turmoil.
Like I hadn't even gotten to the place of like hitting the breaking point yet.
But I'll have to say, yeah, my legs are a lot different than last time we hung and thank God.
I just feel like making that decision for my life was really daunting and scary for a lot of reasons.
My parents got divorced when I was 12 and I'm an only child and snapping at getting that was traumatic.
And then also growing up in the South, growing up super religious, all these things being in a relationship with another public person in my industry,
like all these things were telling me like just figure it out and stay where you're at.
But everything in my heart and soul and body was like, this isn't it, you know.
Yeah, good for you for following through on what you need.
I mean, and you're very young to be able to even make that especially being in the spotlight.
Like it adds a whole dimension of pressure.
I mean, you and I have spoken about it and I'm like just, you know, I'm always telling her now that I'm older,
like be yourself, like you're only going to get rewarded for being yourself.
I was saying this to Drew Barry more recently because I don't know if you saw her New York magazine cover.
But like she's, you know, the talk show, she's finally being rewarded after so probably so many notes and so many people telling her how to do it, how to behave,
how to be less of herself on TV.
And guess what?
The only thing that works is to be yourself.
Drew does want to sit on your lap and touch your eyeballs.
That's who she is.
And so now the fact that the whole world gets to see her shine because of her effervescence and because of truly like her personality.
It's so much more meaningful than succeeding in somebody else's shoes that you're pretending are your own.
Yeah, yeah.
It's the, I kept going back to the quote, the right thing and the hard thing are usually the same thing.
And so when you honor yourself and you do the hard thing, that is the right thing.
I mean, my God, I, I could tell you a million stories just in the last eight, nine months of just life.
God, the universe, whatever you believe in rewarding me and making it very obvious.
And it's just been great and I'm super happy.
I love that.
I love that.
We can you share one of those stories with us?
Oh, God.
Yeah, this is my favorite.
So I lived a couple of years ago in COVID hit.
I was downtown and this area of Nashville called the Gulch.
It's like right between music grow and Broadway.
And it was nice because I was throwing all the time, my ex was throwing up time.
And it was easy to just shut the door and leave it.
But then COVID happened.
And it was like a ghost town and felt apocalyptic.
And I have a dog.
I was like, it's time for some green.
I need an EDR.
So start looking for a house.
And I'm such a gut girl.
I will follow my gut into the depths of the universe.
I don't care if I'm wrong.
I just, I believe in trusting it.
And I found this house.
And before I walked in the door, I was like, this is the house.
This is the house.
And long story very short, didn't get the house.
Fought a house, 0.9 miles down the road.
And another artist who was going through a big life change bought the house.
So in fast four, two years, I am having, you know, I'm going through divorce.
And I just cold texted this artist.
And I was like, I don't know if you ever knew it was me bidding against you.
But it was.
And I've always loved this place.
If you ever thought about selling it, would you let me know?
Two weeks later.
I found my dream home.
Are you serious about the house?
And long story short, it's my house now.
Oh, I love that.
Yeah, it was just like, it wasn't meant to be mine then.
It was meant to be mine now in like this new chapter.
So just like stuff like that over and over again.
Yeah, it's always interesting when you like look at timing of things, right?
It doesn't work out the way you want it to.
Or what's that saying?
Like God doesn't come when you want him to.
But he comes just in time.
I mean, yeah, I don't really subscribe to the God.
But I understand that it's like the universe does have your back.
Like things are working in your favor the way in ways that are unseen.
And that will never understand you just have to trust it.
Like you have to trust in it, right?
Which is a big leap sometimes.
And I know that this your most recent album is a testament to that.
Because I know you've had like experiences where you've been kind of directed
about what kind of music you should be putting out versus exactly authentically
what you want to say.
And you break up and everything that's happened in your life led you to want to say,
okay, this is what I want to put out.
And now you're being celebrated for your music for that very reason as well.
Yeah, it's the same thing you were just talking about with Drew.
You know, I've always tried to be a commercial country artist.
But I also like I grew up on a farm in East Tennessee,
but my first concert with Bernie Spears.
And so I'm like, well, how do I, how do I do this?
Because I want to write music that feels good to me.
And I think it's country, some people don't, whatever.
But I always wanted to fit in a lane, which is a country artist.
And I do.
I always will ding my heels in here.
But I would write with people that we kind of keep me in the lines, you know,
and that kind of stuff.
And then this last project rolling up the welcome mat.
It had nothing to do.
It doesn't even count on my record deal.
It doesn't count towards my label.
It was truly just a me project for therapy.
And it's been the most successful thing I've ever put out.
And so it's called me to refalibrate in such a major way of like my artistry,
the way I share what I'm going to share with the world, all of it.
I'm like, oh man, I need to care less about what it sounds like,
if it rhymes correctly, all the things that I'm told myself that make the craft good
and just write the truth more.
And what do you mean it doesn't count towards your record deal?
Like, is it, I mean, it's under the same label, right?
But it doesn't count about what in terms of what you owe them.
Right.
Yeah.
Like, it's an extra that you just did.
It's an extra.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Copy that.
Just in case I want to get into the music industry, everybody.
I know everybody's waiting for me to come out with a country rap album.
Because of that.
I can just see it now.
So can you tell me about some of the things about Chase that make you so happy
to be in this relationship or the things that he brings out in you?
I feel silly again.
And that probably sounds stupid, but it's like not hard to find the heaviness in life.
It's hard to find the play.
It's really hard to find like the things that bring you back to like your childlike self
that make you Google and like feels silly.
And I feel like I get to be silly again.
And I've had that with my friendships and my female friendships for years
and they've always kind of been my refuge when I don't feel that in my whole life.
But I have that very much so with him.
And that's been really, really beautiful to reconnect to that part of my relationship.
I mean, I could tell you Millie's story.
He's the best.
We talked for a month and then we met.
And as soon as we met, it was like we were in it.
And the second time we ever hung out, he asked me to be his date to a wedding in Charleston.
And I was like, they're enough.
I guess we'll figure out really quick if we travel well together.
If I like your friends, like all these things, I was in Nashville.
He was an L.A.
And I had sent him rolling at the welcome mat before it came out
because I was like, you're going to ask about this.
So here you go.
And he messaged me and he was like, hey, I was thinking maybe I could,
I could fly to Nashville before Charleston.
That way you don't defy by yourself.
And I know like your dog means a lot to you.
And I know you just gotten your new house that you really love.
I'd love to meet your dog and whoever else you want me to.
And then we could fight together that way.
Like you don't have to plan it.
You don't have to think about it from context blues.
I'm attracted to him now.
I know.
And he's hot.
And he's nice.
And he loves his mom.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's very cute.
That's cute.
You know, that's what, I mean, it's nice to be pursued in that way also as a woman, you know?
Like everyone knows.
And people are constantly are now like, I'm hearing these arguments from my friends
that going on dates about like chivalry.
And men are like, well, we'll just split the check.
You know, now that women want equal rights, it's like, wait, wait, what?
Like they're still dating and courting and like, come on.
You would do that in a safe sex relationship.
Somebody would take the lead.
Like it doesn't have anything to do with that.
Don't take that shit away.
Like, how long is it to be on a date?
And somebody say, let's split the check.
It's like, no, fuck you asshole.
Like, I mean, if I'm on a date with somebody who, actually, that's not true,
because I sometimes pick up the check before the man could get it.
But no, I wouldn't do it on a date situation.
It's not usually when you just want to get out of there.
Yes.
Exactly.
And they're like, oh, where's the check?
I'm like, got it.
Let's go on it.
Yeah.
I made that.
I did that in New York recently.
I was on a date and I was like, no, this is no longer a date.
And the check was taken out.
From the card down.
Yeah.
Right away.
Yeah.
I feel like one of the most important milestones was literally having like my mom and my father
tell me seriously, like how impressed they were with my drive
and my success.
And I feel like that is one of those seminal moments when you do make it and you start to really
feel the success to hear it from the people that raised you.
What did your parents have to say about your success?
It's interesting because my parents are really different.
My mom moved me to Nashville when I was 15 to pursue music, which was like her uprooting,
her life, her friends, all that to get me here.
My dad's still in Knoxville.
So my mom was, she's walked this much closer with me, you know, this whole journey.
She used to like drop me off at meetings or co-rides or whatever.
So my dad's farther removed from like the intricacies of this whole thing, but he sees the big
moments where my mom's kind of seen the whole thing.
And I invite them to different things, mainly for my own mental health.
I can't handle them in the same room.
And so I think because we're both, I would say, work horses.
Like I like to be head down and go all the time.
There are not many moments that make me slow down and look up.
But a lot of the ones that have are because my mom or my dad are in the room.
And I know that they're watching it.
Yeah.
One was when I got inducted into the Grand Ole Opry.
I was like, the newest member, the youngest member, and my mom was there.
And I just knew she bought me tickets for Christmas one year when they still lived in Knoxville
to go to the Grand Ole Opry one year.
You know, like that full circle moment, I was like, to be able to share that with her,
made me look up.
Being able to go back to my hometown where my sweet dad was like, yeah, go, you're 15,
but I get it.
Go and play a hometown show and like have him be there and like walk around like the mayor
because he was so proud.
Like that was the moment that made me look up.
So I definitely feel like the big pillar moments so far have had them in the room.
Yeah, it's much more meaningful when you have somebody in the audience.
I know you don't have siblings.
I have so many.
So those moments happen a lot, but it's nice to know like when you have someone special
at the show, like that you're performing for them.
You know, like you're like, look, look, I hate Mark so big, especially when my friends
are there.
Like I have like just a group of girlfriends that I'm so right or die for.
And when one of them come out to a show, I mean, I strut a little stronger.
Totally not so true.
Okay, so we're going to take a quick break.
We'll be right back and we're going to take some callers.
Okay.
I'm ready.
So put your therapy hat on, girl.
It's coming.
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Harriet says,
Dear Chelsea.
Basically, my father's dating a woman who's married
and has a whole other life in another province.
Province.
That means Canada.
My father is aware,
and they've been together for about six years.
Obviously, the father's aware if she has a family.
Like, if you're aware,
if you're aware,
there's a where.
I don't respect it,
but I am a person who works very hard to keep the peace.
I recently got engaged to my partner of 10 years,
and his family is very religious.
My family is the opposite.
I do not want my dad bringing his, quote-unquote,
girlfriend to my wedding.
My partner's family is very interested in others' lives
and ask a lot of questions to people they meet,
so I know they'll ask about her life.
My mom is remarried,
and obviously we'll be bringing her new husband.
My dad is very sensitive,
so I know he won't want to be alone,
but he's also very social and has many friends
who could attend with him.
Basically, how can I keep the peace?
Get my dad's girlfriend not to attend
and not make anyone feel bad.
Please help Harriet.
First of all, your dad's girlfriend should not attend.
No, she's married with a family,
and that's all you have to say to him.
That is not acceptable to be flaunting
in front of a whole group of people.
I think it's just one person that's acceptable to a friend.
It would be your dad on this one.
You want to throw a boundary down.
It's your day.
Don't avenge yourself and don't avenge your partner.
It's your moment.
You're going into a new chapter of your life.
You can't bring that in.
That's fine.
And also, I know it seems like there's
billions of people in the world which they are,
but when you're dealing with communities like that,
you're him bringing his girlfriend.
Everyone is going to find out at some point
that she's married to someone else.
There could be a chance that somebody at the wedding knows her.
And then what the fuck are you going to do?
You don't even know every single person who's probably coming
to the wedding who's bringing a plus one.
You don't know one person.
You don't know if every person doesn't know this woman
or won't connect the dots or won't figure it out.
It's too dangerous of a situation.
And all you have to do is position it to your father as,
first of all, this is something that I don't want
overshadowing my special day.
I don't want your affair that is illicit.
She's married to another person.
I don't support that.
Obviously, I want to keep the peace, but this is my day
and I need you to respect it.
And that's it.
Like, he can't argue with you about your wedding day.
And if he doesn't really respond to that,
this might be going for the jugular, but also saying,
you clearly don't respect the boundaries of a marriage.
You clearly don't respect what that means.
So why would I want that energy in that room
when I'm trying to start that?
Great, great point.
Exactly, boom.
Yeah.
And I think even be specific about which one of your dad's friends
you would want to attend with him.
Like, I love, you know, quote unquote,
Uncle Larry, whatever.
Why don't you bring him?
That would be, you know, he'd be great to have the wedding.
He's not reinvited.
Whatever.
And he'll have plenty to do.
He's the father of the bride.
Like, he's going to have plenty of people to interact with.
And, you know, it's not your, this is your day.
Do not forget that.
This is the only day you get.
Don't let it be besmirched by something like taudry like that.
You know, if he wants to have an affair with a married woman,
fine, great, but not at your wedding.
Agreed.
Our next question comes from Jessica.
Jessica says, dear Chelsea, I'm not sure if I need your advice
or if I just need to be talked off the ledge.
I just ended my six year relationship.
It was one of the healthiest breakups I've ever had.
We entered the relationship knowing that I don't want to have kids
and he is the fifth generation in his family.
So he's decided that he needs to have a son at some point in his life.
Since ending the relationship, I've found the perfect place to live,
started a new job I love and have grown closer to my friends and family.
I feel so free and I know us breaking up was the right decision.
Now here's the problem.
We haven't even been broken up for two months
and he's apparently dating someone new and someone I know.
I found out because the girl he's dating posted a piece of furniture
from his house on Facebook Marketplace for sale.
Eventually one of our mutual friends admitted that they are in fact dating
and it seems like they'll be moving in together very soon.
Am I crazy to feel like I'm boiling over with rage about this?
I don't really feel like I'm jealous, just pissed off.
We've known this girl for a long time and it feels like she was waiting
for the second we broke up to pounce on him and move into the house we lived in together.
Do I even have a right to be mad about this?
I want to act like I don't care so badly but it's hard.
We have a lot of mutual friends and I know I'll see him soon
and I do have a temper and honestly don't really like holding my feelings back.
I'm concerned that when I see him I might freak out or at least throw around a snide remark or two.
Even though it didn't work out between us I really did love him
and with him moving on so fast it makes me feel insecure about how he felt about me.
How should I control myself when I inevitably run into him?
I'm ready for any stage wisdom you're willing to give.
Thanks Jessica.
Well luckily I've been through this exact same situation.
Hi Jessica, how's it going?
Hi cutie, this is Kelsey Ballerini, our special guest today.
Amazing.
Hi, great to meet you both of you.
Hi, that's so annoying first of all.
It's so fucking annoying to spend six years with somebody and then find out
that two weeks later that they're dating somebody else.
Was it two weeks or two months?
It was two months but they basically started dating right after I just found out two months later.
It pretty much was a media I just found out a little bit later so it's lovely.
Okay well this exact situation happened to me not exactly but very similar.
I dated somebody for four years, I broke up with them and two weeks later they were moving in with someone else.
So I understand exactly how you feel and good fucking riddance because that is not the person for you.
That says everything you need to know about that person, everything you need to know.
And as you said in your letter, you knew you made the right decision, you're in a new place.
Don't let his weakness throw you off kilter.
Now you have the full picture of the fact that the decision you made was absolutely the right decision.
Just him being with someone and of course there are feelings and if you want to make a snide remark,
fucking go ahead.
Who gives a shit about that?
You know what I mean?
It is silly but he would take a lot of pleasure in you being jealous about it.
So remember that.
If you let him see your jealousy then he will be like, oh yeah, I got her.
So it's up to you.
But I mean you absolutely made the right decision in every way.
Right Kelsey, don't you agree?
Yeah, there was so much positive affirmation in the beginning of that letter.
I was like, there's no advice here.
And then I was like, oh, my question is, are you close with the girls still?
So I was never really good friends with her.
They actually, I know her through mutual friends.
And then he started hanging out with like another friend group towards the end of our relationship.
And she's in that friend group, right?
So honestly, when we first started dating six years ago, they were kind of hanging out.
And I think he kind of stopped talking to her.
Then was dating me.
So he's always been a little questionable.
It just is unfortunate that we spent that much time together.
And now he's dating the same girl or like she was hanging out.
I just feel really weird about it all.
So I don't know.
Well, your feelings are valid.
I would just say like find a safe friend or scream into a pillow because that is annoying.
That's super annoying.
And like low key a little bit shady.
But yeah, what she'll said, like it's your exactly where you need to be.
Thank God.
Like to be with someone for six years and move on in two weeks, there was a disconnect.
There was a bigger disconnect happened.
And the first page and a half of your letter said that you are happier where you are now.
So just scream into a pillow, talk to a friend and then stand in the place that you're at right now.
Yeah. And if you see them, you know, what would really even drive him more mad is to be happy for them.
To go, I'm so happy that you guys found each other.
I'm glad to hear that you're together.
Even though it's a lie and you don't feel that way, that takes all of the emotion out of it.
And you're going to walk away feeling so fucking good about yourself better than if you make a snide remark.
You're going to feel empowered.
You know, you're going to tell your friends the truth, but he wants you to be upset.
You know, you left him because you didn't want to have a child.
So obviously he can't be alone.
This is so many men cannot fucking be alone.
And they can't even be apart.
Whereas women were alone and we're so happy.
We're like, oh, thank God we have this minute to breathe.
And men are just kind of weak like that.
And like if anything, it's like, I know what hurts your feelings, but it won't for very long.
I promise you're already like past the bad part of your breakup and all of that.
You're not going to be upset for a while.
And it will be empowering for you to just when you're able to see them kind of give them your blessing.
I'm glad you said that because I've been battling like I have a feeling I'm going to see them.
Florida is weird and small.
So it's like, I know I'm going to bump into them at some point.
And I go back and forth like I want to have a confrontational moment just to be like,
this is really disrespectful to me as a person, right?
But I do want to kind of just continue on because I'm not upset.
Like you said, I'm not like sad.
The relationship's over.
I know we ended it because I didn't want a family.
And that's apparently the only thing he needs in life.
Yeah, because he doesn't want to be alone.
So obviously he needs a family.
Yeah.
So I think it you're right.
I just need to kind of like move on.
It's so hard to hold that reaction in.
And that's actually why I reached out because I'm like, I know you've been dealing with the reactivity.
And I'm like, oh, just take a breath.
Don't acknowledge.
It's probably the best way to handle it.
But it's hard.
It's of course it's hard.
And thank you for not saying reactionary because people keep saying that.
And that's a civil war reenactor.
It's reactivity.
Not reactionary.
Like that people don't understand what that word means.
First of all, you should get out of Florida as soon as possible.
But in the meantime, like I think listen, I'm looking at your face.
And I'm looking at your vibe and your energy and your positive and your upbeat.
Like don't belittle yourself by even saying anything negative to them.
Obviously talk to your friends.
And just deal with it on your own.
And when you have these feelings, one of the most powerful things you can do is to sit with negative feelings
and let them work through your body instead of trying to stuff them away or distract or deflect.
If you literally sit and think about how icky this is, you will be amazed at how quickly that feeling goes away.
And yeah, and then, you know, I had my friends say to me,
once like, do you want to be on your highest like soul path or do you want to be down?
Like you can let people take you down by reacting to their negative behavior.
Or you can just be on a higher path and rise above it.
And actually when you do interact with them, be as nice and fake or whatever it takes
to make sure that they know that they didn't get you or that he didn't hurt you in that way.
And I promise you, because that's really the right thing to do anyway.
It doesn't matter. It's not your business anymore. He's not your boyfriend.
He doesn't have to protect you in the breakup.
So you wish he would, but anybody who gets together with somebody that quickly isn't worried about protecting you.
They're worried about themselves.
So I think you're going to be pleased with yourself if you just get to your higher soul path, so to speak.
And just do the right thing, you know, and not be a cunt and just be cool.
I have to say the petty part of me wants to do both.
But you have to understand it's an impulse.
That's an impulse when you want to say something to somebody.
It doesn't mean it's right. It's just an impulse.
And it feels good, but it doesn't feel as good as taking the higher road.
That's true.
But it doesn't last as long that feeling.
Yeah, you can walk away and then say the petty part to your friends afterward.
That's right.
It's really easy to be petty with him because I don't know what's going on,
but he like turned 30 and then bought a mullet and died the tips of the mullet blind.
And I just really truly don't know like what in the world is happening.
So I'm happy that's not the section of him I got, but it doesn't make it a little bit easier.
It's bizarre.
Onward and upwards, baby.
Not the mullet with blonde tips.
No, no, no, no.
Not going to cry anymore.
No more.
No.
I know that's some real Florida shit, but it is happening.
How long?
But within what time frames did he get that mullet and frosted tips after you broke up with him?
It was transitioning into a mullet towards the end and then we frosted the tip
like right when they started eating, I think.
Okay.
So I really just be happy that this is over.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
You dodged so many bullets.
You dodged a lot of bullets.
And just be happy that you're free.
Be happy that that's not you with him.
Be happy.
I appreciate it.
Yeah, that's great advice.
I definitely think keep it inside, let them live their lives and kind of move onward
and upward like you said.
So I appreciate it.
Okay.
Thanks Jessica.
Thanks for calling.
Thanks so much.
Great to meet both of you.
Hi.
Yeah.
Isn't it funny to see how happy people are when they break up?
I mean, she was just so happy.
And she's not even, she's upset about this, but she's not really.
She was falling.
I know.
She got the post break up glow.
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Well, our next caller is Gina.
She is calling in from Wisconsin.
She says, do Chelsea.
Two months ago, I quit my soul sucking job at a big four public accounting firm.
I felt so empowered by leaving,
and I thought it was the perfect time to do something I truly love.
Architecture and design and exterior design.
Not sure about you, but I adjust about orgasm every time I skim my architectural digest mags
or scroll through the hundreds of design accounts I follow on Instagram.
I didn't pursue it in college because I was afraid of the risk of job and security,
sucking at it, and ultimately not making any money.
My question lies between two different life paths.
One, getting a remote, lonely accounting job that I may not see much growth in
as I don't plan to pursue the CPA like my dad wants me to,
but gives me flexibility to travel or potentially buy an old home I can fix up myself.
Or, staying in my hometown, getting a lower paying accounting job
and attending community college to get an associates degree in interior design.
Although, I've been looking at programs to pursue elsewhere.
I'm horrible at making decisions and take everything into account
to the point where I stay stagnant.
But I need to get a move on because I'm 26 and already started late.
Recently, I've been living by the lines of everything happens for a reason
and you are where you're supposed to be.
Yet here, I remain unemployed living in the room I grow up in.
Would love your suggestions.
Dane, how are you?
How are you?
Hi, Gina.
Hi.
I know this is Kelsey Bell Green.
She's our guest today.
You're a country friend.
I bet you do.
I'm born in line dancing tonight.
So, if you're in Madison.
I come.
But you're probably not.
I love that.
I love that.
Big yeehaw.
What's the name of that single, the most recent single, Kelsey?
If you go down on going down to.
Yeah, because I was hearing it on the radio and I hadn't heard it before.
This was a few months ago and I was like,
oh my god, it was so fucking good.
I'm like, that sounds like Kelsey.
Maybe.
I don't know.
It's hard to keep track.
Anyway.
Okay, so to your problem, excuse us.
Sorry.
Okay.
I feel very passionately about following your passion and whatever it is that you are most
passionate about.
26 years old is nothing.
You have time to explore and I don't think staying in an accounting job that just gives you
the freedom to get a house you're going to like and fix that up.
Right.
That sounds like a bee plan, not an A plan.
My parents kind of expected of me.
Yeah.
I'm going to make it.
Yeah, but don't do that.
I don't want to say I'm the pride and joy of family, but it's like I have to.
I'm at this pedestal.
It's like I have to have that stable city job that you know is the nine to five sort of
thing that's going to have the 401k all this bullshit stuff.
It's soft bullshit, but it's like it's what's expected.
So I have to be that person.
I feel so my mom said.
Just to clarify, is that more of an expectations thing or is it like you're
just providing for your folks and your others?
I don't know.
It's my purpose to be like their role model.
I have a twin sister.
So like she's can't do whatever she wants.
I love how she's living, but I think you do love how she's living because you're
taking on the responsibility that she's not taking on as the oldest.
Three by a minute.
Okay.
Well, listen, it is not your responsibility to fulfill your parents' dreams.
That's not why people have children, even though people get confused and it becomes very
obfuscated.
It is not your reason for living to make your parents happy.
That's what their life is for.
You know, you have to search for your happiness because I have to tell you when you
really are true to who you are.
The rewards, it's abundance, like rewards come your way when you follow your true dreams.
I mean, look, Kelsey and I were just talking about this.
She's doing everything she wants to be doing and you're probably happier than you've
ever been, Kelsey, right?
Yeah, but I didn't have to make the decision to not do what was expected of me.
And I think two things.
I think I really would love to believe in my hard arts that your parents just actually
want you to be happy.
And I think they've probably projected what they've known to be sustainable to them in their
life onto you.
That doesn't have to be what you choose.
And at the end of the day, you have to take the fear of failure out back.
Failure sometimes is like the best thing, but you have to jump to know, you know?
And like, 20 sticks, I'm 29 and my life is unrecognizable in three years from where I was
at 26, because I decided to change it.
And you just have to open up to what you know is right for you, because I listen to this
podcast all the time, such a giant fan.
And one thing both Catherine and Chelsea talk about all the time is like, we know what's
right.
If we're in tune with ourselves, we know what we're meant to do.
We know like the next step.
We know like, there's this little gut feeling that I have that I need to shift here.
Like, and it sounds like you know.
So just trust yourself.
Trust yourself.
Don't be scared to fail.
And don't be scared to disappoint your parents, because at the end of the day, you're not
honoring your knowingness right now.
And your happiness is pursuing what's going to make you feel fulfilled.
And at the end of the day, I'm going to believe that your parents have to be happy.
They have to disappoint them, but the goals to like do the opposite, do what I want to
do and not fear so much about what they or their friends think, because it doesn't matter.
And it's just going to keep me more unhappy than where I am.
So luckily, like, I've really come to know myself and like becoming the person that I want
to be.
It's just finding where I belong and what's really going to push it out of that box even
farther.
But I think you describe like what your passion is, you know, which is design, architecture,
you're interested in all of those things.
And it's a good example to set for your younger siblings and your family anyway.
Sounds like you're going to have a conversation with your parents about it anyway, because of
your close relationship with them.
But, you know, in speaking with your parents, it's like, I have to go after my dreams.
Like, I have to.
I'm going to support myself while I pursue my dreams.
This isn't a reflection on, or this isn't an indicator that you're going to have to start
supporting me or I need your financial help, right?
You can do all of this on your own, correct?
Yeah.
So there's really not any input from them that has any merit, in my opinion, because you're
not living your life for them.
And there's so many regrets that come with that.
And so many people who are older that didn't go pursue their passion.
And now they're 45 and 46 and looking at what you're looking at.
So you have to take your age into consideration.
There is no bad decision.
You're going to succeed.
You know what I mean?
You just have to make a decision.
When you say you're bad at decision making, the ingredient to making a decision is making
one and going for it.
You know what I mean?
It's not one is going to be the best or the other.
It's like, what do you feel is your purpose?
And it's very clear that you know, and I have identified what that is.
And by the way, that's a huge advantage too.
So many people don't even know at your age what they want to do or where they want to be.
So I think you should look at it in terms of setting an example for your younger siblings
and for your sister, your twin, and even for your parents.
Like I'm doing this my way.
I'm going to go after my dreams and support yourself by going to community college and studying design.
I think that's a great idea.
And I think you're going to be much more fulfilled.
There's often a stepping stone.
Like Chelsea said, like making a decision, taking a step.
Maybe it's not interior or exterior design that you're going to be in.
Maybe it's something beyond that.
For me, I was like throwing shit at the wall, seeing what would stick.
I thought voiceover was the next thing for me.
And then I was like, wait, if I can edit my voiceovers, I can start a podcast, started podcasting.
And here I am.
Here's another thing too.
Parents sometimes, the things you think that they expect of you are all in your head.
One of the best days of my life, my dad's a lawyer, my aunt's a lawyer, my sister's a lawyer.
My sister's graduation from law school.
I had all these expectations about when my parents wanted for me.
And my dad said to me, you know, I actually don't think that you would like fit really well
as a traditional lawyer of any kind.
And I was like, thank God.
I thought he had this expectation of me that I was going to, you know, go to law school, whatever,
or that I was a failure if I didn't.
And he was like, no, no, that's not for you.
So sometimes it really is like coming from us, even though we think it's our parents' expectation.
And it's also very typical for the oldest sibling, even though your twin is three minutes older than you.
Like you're considered one of the oldest.
It's very typical for you to feel this kind of sense of responsibility to your parents.
And that's just the architecture of a family.
You know, the oldest is supposed to be the most responsible.
And then it falls apart as you go down.
Like for me, I never once thought about what my parents wanted for me.
I'm like, I have my, I knew what was happening from a very young age.
I'm like, this is what I'm going to do.
And their opinion had no impact on me whatsoever.
In fact, when I said, I went to community college for like a half a semester.
And I was like, I think I'm going to move to Los Angeles.
Like I feel like I should just be famous or something.
I was 19 years old.
And my parents were like, go, please go.
That's exactly where you belong with those lunatics in California, you know, Los Angeles.
So you're just letting all this pressure, you know what I mean?
It's the pressure of being the oldest.
It's the pressure of being like modeling the behavior.
But I would say that you have an opportunity to really model true happiness and go after what you want.
So the decision has been made and that's what you're going to do.
Do it.
Okay.
And if your parents have a problem, tell them to come to the podcast.
Thank you.
I'm going by myself, but that's fine.
Shouldn't have discussed that.
But yeah, I like that too.
Thank you for you.
You're a bossy.
I like that.
Yeah.
Thanks for taking my calls.
I thought you were fun.
Fight.
Yeah.
Of course, Tina.
Well, our last question comes from Kate.
She says, dear Chelsea, I'm a huge new fan of the show.
And something I've noticed, both of you mentioned during the advice segment,
is how important it is to trust your gut and follow your instincts.
Here we are again.
This is an idea I've heard time and again from people I admire.
But I've literally never been able to understand it on a personal level as someone who loves with chronic anxiety.
It seems like those times I think I have a gut feeling, it's proven wrong and is actually just my anxiety talking.
So my question is, how do I differentiate between my gut instincts and anxious thoughts?
My doctor has diagnosed me with anxiety and I'm on medication.
While this certainly makes my anxiety manageable, I still deal with it internally on a daily basis.
Because I know you'll ask, I'm not in therapy, and I hope and plan to regularly see a therapist someday,
but it isn't financially viable for me at this point in my life.
Thank you so much for all the entertainment and inspiration you've given me.
Your podcast is such a light in my life and I cherish hearing your insights each week.
Much love, Kate.
Okay, Kelsey, what do you think about that?
Ooh, I would say having people that know you well, they can hold you accountable and help you decipher between the two.
And so you kind of get into a rhythm where you learn to trust yourself and decipher for yourself,
whether it's a dear friend or a family member or a therapist, which I think is a great idea,
to bring those gut feelings or thoughts to and say, you know me, what do you think this is?
Can you help me kind of relearn to trust myself and decipher between the two?
I feel really strongly about reaching out to the people that know you deeply and giving them that responsibility,
like they've given you in their life too.
Yeah, that's a nice idea too.
I think also with anxiety, you know, there's impulse and there's instinct and those are two different things.
And anxiety can make you feel very impulsive.
So like if you're deciding between two things and you have to figure it out, right?
It's good to say, okay, I'm going to sit with myself and here are my two options, right?
And then do it not once, but you have to repeat this exercise over and over.
Like you give yourself 10 minutes just to think with a thought, like to try and understand what your actual gut is telling you.
Because anxiety is repetitive and it will keep telling you the same thing.
But eventually if you give it time instead of just giving it one opportunity,
I feel like the growth that you'll have in the answer will come.
So I would say to sit down with this idea, say like five days in a row and just go, okay, I'm just going to sit with this
and try to recognize where your anxious thoughts are coming.
And you might be surprised at the way that they abate once you give yourself enough time with the subject matter
and the decision you're making, your anxiety will quiet from what I've learned about anxiety,
the more time you give it with the same question.
So instead of answering something as a one off or like, oh, I got to do this, revisit it.
Keep asking yourself, what do I do?
And not throughout the day, like that's your anxiety.
You have to set aside a time and be like, okay, I'm going to think about this.
If you like to write it out, that's great.
If you just want to sit with yourself, kind of like a meditation,
but you're not meditating, you're just thinking about what the decision is.
And trying to hear your anxious thoughts versus your gut.
And I think the anxiety will quiet if you just keep revisiting it.
That's great advice.
For me, something that helps is asking myself literally to the feeling that's coming up.
You ask yourself, what are you trying to tell me?
And when you ask it that somehow the anxiety kind of falls away or you realize,
oh, this is a gut feeling I'm having, but I'm anxious about the gut feeling of like, okay,
I need to go do this new, fun, exciting thing.
That's a little bit scary.
You might be having anxiety about that.
But underneath, you know what your gut is telling you.
So I think, yeah, getting still, checking in with a friend, like seeing,
is this anxiety or is this the path forward?
Yes. And I think recognizing is something that really helped me is impulse.
Understanding what impulse is, is an immediate reaction.
You kind of want to like, oh, there's a situation and you have to act now.
No, no, no, you don't.
Most of the time you don't, unless there's a fucking fire.
You know, like, you actually don't have to act now.
And the longer the amount of time, the longer duration of time you give yourself,
the better you get at coming to it, like, you know, a sound conclusion.
So I think time.
And yeah, I guess that's it.
Now it does make sense.
Yeah.
Awesome. Well, thank you for writing in, Kate.
Yes, thank you for writing in.
Do you want to take a quick break and we'll wrap up?
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