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Hi, hi, hi. Hi Chelsea. Hi. So Chelsea, I know I just got back from Mexico with two of my
girlfriends and I know for me there are certain people that like I don't even want to spend a
whole day at Disneyland with but I like them and they're my friends. These couple of girls I have
a great time with and I'm curious for you because you travel with people all the time.
What do you think sets apart somebody that you know you want to travel with or you know will be
good to travel with versus someone who won't be? Well, you can't be annoying first of all.
You know what I mean? Yeah. First of all, you have to be self-sufficient and be able to be
on your own. Like when you're traveling, you can't be dependent on the other person the entire
trip. Like there are moments that you need to stop and chill out. Like go to the gym or read a book
for an hour or whatever. So that's I think one criteria like the neediness. You know what I mean?
You're already on vacation together. Like you don't need to do every fucking single thing together.
Right. But it's different if you're on like an activation or if you're like at you know like
when I'm at my house in my orca and I bring people or invite people in like we're usually
together as a group. Yeah. Doing stuff for the most part. It's random that people are doing
their own thing unless you bring two wrong groups together, which I've done. And then yeah, so
I don't know. I think it's always nice to just mix big groups. I've only had I honestly have a
maybe I could count on one hand the bad combo platters. I've put together on trips. It's happened
once recently. And then one year yeah, my birthday trip was just a hot mess. And I invited all
the wrong people. Oh no. Yeah. And I just was like fucking paying for it the whole time because
everyone was not like into each other. Not clashing. It was just like I just I just hadn't planned my
birthday until the last minute, which is the way I do think. So I invited just I randomly and
it wasn't the right group. It's hard to find a group of people that are all gonna gel together.
But it's not actually like if you're not an asshole, you can be pretty much get along with
anybody for a fucking week that unless somebody is really riling you up and going off on you.
Like I'm sorry, I've been on I mean, I don't go on other people's vacations very often. I'm
going to be honest for that reason. So I get it. That is a thing. But I also think when you are
at someone's house like you do behave yourself. You know what I mean? You're not going to have
arguments with other people or not going along with other people. Like I wouldn't do that. I would
figure it out and and make it work for a week to be a good house guest. I take a lot of pride in
that, which is why I don't do it very often. So I prefer to arrange the vacation and bring people
along. And I mean, I guess your family is the only one that everyone can be a like our family.
You can be a dick and it's fine to say the fighting can happen. And we don't fight. Like I only
fight with my sister in law Olga about politics. Like everyone else on our in our families on the same
page, right? So I just have to withdraw from her. But we don't fight as a family. And I guess we're
pretty lucky that way because you do hear about a lot of, you know, discord within families.
But there are some people that I've definitely left vacations early when I've been in a situation
where I'm like, oh, this is not time to get out. This is not what I was envisioning. Yeah.
Yeah. And speaking of people to be on vacation with, I vacation with our guest a couple of times.
He and his wife and their baby came with me to Whistler one year for our ski trip.
And then we went on a trip together overseas. And I think we've been on one other trip together.
Anyway, yeah, he's somebody that's good to travel with. I mean, when they don't bring their kids,
let's be honest, you know, I'm not, I don't need that. No kids. I don't need that.
I think parents need to get away from the kids too. Yeah, I have a good gay couple that I can,
yeah, I used to go everywhere with like my boyfriend and I met him. This is years ago,
this couple Kevin and Brian. And we went on like eight or nine vacations together, work trips
and vacations. And that was a great combo. Right. Yeah. And then did they ruin it by having a
weekend? Yeah, they had twins. So I haven't been on vacation with them since. Shout out to Kevin and
Brian. And today's guest is my very old dear hilarious friend who is married to another hot
mess. Right. And that's Jenny Mullen who guested back in June of 2022. Mr. Jason Biggs. Hello.
Hi. Hi, penis face. What's up, cut? Welcome to the podcast, Jason Biggs. Jason Biggs is a very old
friend of mine. We have had many, many well humiliating experiences together. Isn't that right, Jason?
What is your fondest memory that we have experienced together? Let's not start with most humiliating
because well, I know what mine is, but we're not going to talk about that on this podcast. But what's
your fondest memory of us as a couple? Hold on, I need to know why we talk about yours. I'm curious
if ours actually sink up. Also, my fondest could be the most humiliating. Those those also might
sink up. Right. Right. Well, I think our fondest, if I was going to encapsulate the fondest memory,
there have been so many. I mean, I'm sure I've forgotten half of the times that we've spent
together. You know what I mean? I have a tendency for forgetfulness. Jason actually has a
better memory than I do because he doesn't drink like I do. So any more, any more,
right, right. Like you said, old friendship. I mean, we go back to the pre-drinking days. Go,
yeah. Yeah. When things were really jumping off. Exactly. In fact, I have to say, I'm really impressed
that we've maintained such a wonderful friendship even in my post-partying days. I mean, there are
people in my life, obviously, that knew me pre-subriety, but I just feel like nothing's changed with
you and I, which I love. I feel like if anything our relationship has gotten stronger, I feel like I've
seen a lot more of you, weirdly, since I moved to New York in a certain way. Isn't that funny?
Isn't that funny how that happens to your friends that live in the same city and then you rarely
see them and then they move to New York and then you see them every time you go to New York?
100%. Well, it's great. Well, you always give us a heads up when you're here, which I love. I think
that's fantastic and we love seeing you and we love when you pay for dinner. It's great.
But I think there's one memory that I'm constantly really minded of online and it's usually from
haters. It's never in a positive light. Even though for me, the memory is just wonderful.
It was on the incredible boat trip that you very generously took Jenny and I and a bunch of
your other friends on and I may have urinated on you while you were swimming in the ocean.
He did urinate on me and which I obviously do not care about because any parent knows that
urine is urine and I consider myself a parent. Any parent worth their salt has been urinated on.
But his was more directed at me like it wasn't an accident and I wasn't changing his diaper.
He actually I had jumped off the boat and he was about to get in the boat and he just started
peeing on the ocean and then just peed on my head and I was laughing so hard because it was
so stupid and someone recorded it. Jenny had recorded it. Yeah, Jenny was recording it and then
Jenny posted it, of course, but because we're laughing so hard, I'm pretty sure I ended up doing
just like in the clown's mouth at the carnival game. I think I got you right, right down the
gold and then it was crazy. A big balloon blew up on top of your head. Yeah, yeah, I pulled my
grip cord and so then I then I floated off into space. It's like when you go heli skiing,
you have a parachute on your back. Anyway, I'm not scared of urine. Like most people are, I guess.
And so Jenny was like, can I post this and I said sure who cares? And then now to this day,
I get Republicans going, you're a dirty or who allowed yourself to get urinated on instead of seeing
the wonderful humor in the situation. What's interesting is that Jenny asked you
if she could post, she never asked me. Yeah, exactly. Well, I'm sure you're not getting that.
Are you getting a lot of, did you ever get a lot of backlash for urinating on me or a lot of
prey? Yeah, no, no, no, backlash. I'm saying, I still to this day and you're right, it's usually
across a political line, a certain person that will write in and just remind me, I'd say once
every couple of weeks, I'll just see something in my mentions, Instagram and or Twitter, where it's
like, yeah, never forget, you know, hashtag never forget you, you peed on Chelsea's face. I mean,
it's just, and every time I read a comment, I chuckle. I do too, actually, I think to myself,
what was I thinking allowing someone to post that? And then I think to myself, again, who gives a
shit? Who gives a shit? There's so many memories, though, Chelsea. I mean, you know, it's interesting,
Jenny, and you go even further back, obviously, and I met Jenny in 2007, and I think I met you
pretty soon after meeting Jenny. I mean, it was in those first couple of months. I mean, shit,
we were married, like, after knowing each other for a few months, but I think right away, we
started hanging, and you had, you just got the e-show, I think you were maybe like first season
or something. It was early days, I mean, and you were like, killing it and you were doing all these
wonderful trips and parties, and we were very lucky to be included. We had some great times.
I mean, the boat trip was for sure one of the, one of the all-timers, but, you know, I'll still
run into people that were at your party in Cabo. Like random people that I have no, and then we
like, you know, Chelsea, don't you? I was like, yeah, I know Chelsea, my friends, she's, you know,
we've known each other a long time. Yeah, I think I met you in Cabo at her party. I said, there were
so many people at that party, and I was so fucked up that entire long weekend. I mean, yeah,
so many people I saw naked by accident slash on purpose. A lot of people I did drugs with,
and I didn't think even did drugs. Yeah, a lot of nudity all around. The one of the great highlights of
our scuba diving trip, which is the one we were referring to where the urination episode happened.
Jenny and Jason are very bona fide scuba divers. They have spent a lot of time underwater.
Are you guys master divers? Not master. We are advanced open water. We actually haven't
gone in a few years, but no, that's really. Are you a master diver? Did you get your, you saw my
performance diving. I'm not anything. And first of all, they have to take out the word master diver.
I don't think that works anymore either. It's like master bedroom. You have to be a primary diver.
What about master bait? Do we have to change that to primary baiting? No, no, because that's
totally different. And there's a you. So it's not the same thing. But I did master bait this summer.
I went when I was in my orca. I went on three dives because Sophie, who you know, my good girlfriend,
her sister Alex is a real diver. She dives all over the world as well. So she was coming to my orca
and I was like, she wanted to dive. And I said, sure, let me get, you know, warmed up again. So I
went on three dives. But Jason was there when I went on my first like eight dives because the
French Polynesia trip was like, we would go on two dives a day. So everyone was diving. And it was
my first introduction into diving. And I had probably the closest thing to a panic attack that I've ever
had, which was being underwater, seeing a very large shark underneath my feet. And then my cousin,
Molly, grabbing my ankle to show me the shark. So the two combo platters of someone grabbing my leg
and then looking down and seeing the size of the shark that was underneath me, which was easily
eight to 10 feet. I immediately just couldn't understand what was I had to go up. Yeah, I had to go
up. I thought the shark had had me. Then I saw my cousin. I tried to kick her underwater, which
anyone knows that doesn't work. And then this are one of our divers that we were, you know, with two
guys were helping us, right, for the whole group. And there were 10 of us. And one of the divers
came right over to me because I couldn't clear my goggles. I was starting to kind of hyperventilate.
And he's grabbed me by the shoulders. And he just started gesticulating the breathing like to calm
down, like breathe in, breathe out. And he was holding my hands. And I was looking into his eyes. And
I was like, I'm, I'm going to fuck this guy, you know, like he just saved my life. And he's
calming me down. And this man, I'm going to have to show my love by penetration afterward. And
afterward, he, we did the rest of the dive holding hands. Well, Jason and Jenny were giving me the
finger underwater telling me I was such a baby. And I had another one, a boyfriend. I was excited.
Like I was like, OK, this is my underwater boyfriend. And then when we get up, when we got up
from the sea of life to the natural world, and we were above water, he took off all of his
contraptions. And I was like, Oh, I'm not going to fuck this guy. Like that was we, if we were going
to have sex, it would have been underwater. The goggles did a lot of work. Yeah. So that was a bullet
dodged. But also, you know, one of my typical signature styles of behavior, someone helps me. And
then I feel attracted to them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. That one. That was kind of amazing.
Meanwhile, speaking of sharks, I forget how this came up. Chelsea was talking to Jenny about
this great white shark dive trip. Chelsea, I believe, had found out about it, had spoken to
someone who was involved in this charity to basically pay in. It's all a charitable. Like a
scientific research trip. Yes, that you could kind of tag along for. Yeah. And
Chelsea was like, I'm doing this. Do you guys want to go? This was after I think the Polynesian
trip. So she was super into the diving. Guadalajara, I believe, right? Somewhere in Guadalajara,
you go on a science boat. Yeah. If you leave from San Diego and you go out to this Guadalupe
island in Mexico. Oh, Guadalupe. I knew it was Guad. Yeah. It was a Guadalupe. It was a Guadalupe.
And yeah, it's this big, great white shark. One of the Guads. Yeah. It was a big,
great white shark breeding ground. And Chelsea got us in. We're like, oh, yeah, we're definitely
doing that. Chelsea's like, cannot wait. This is going to be so awesome. And I don't know. In my
memory, it was, it was a couple, like, we had planned it for a little while. And it was a couple
weeks before the trip. We booked our flights. Everything was a go. We were flying out. We were
going to stay with Jenny's mom who lives in San Diego. We had a baby. Sid was really little.
Chelsea talked to Jenny or me or both. It was like, I, yeah, I don't know what I'm thinking.
This sounds awful. It's a 24 hour boat ride out to this island. Again, information that we knew
from the very beginning, but she just decided to not let it didn't absorb. And so she's like,
for the record, no, no, excuse me, for the record, I just want to say I don't look at details about
things until they come closer. So whether that information was available or not, I don't, I'm not
contesting that, but I am going to say that I wouldn't have been privy to that information until
I came closer. And then I start to look at details. And I start to look at pictures of where we're
staying. Right. On a science boat. Yeah. This is not an excuse, Chelsea. I mean, this is
again, this all of this information was readily available months and months prior when we got,
it's when you got us excited. And by the way, Chelsea and I live in different economic brackets for
sure, but it wasn't a small lump of change. I mean, this was like a nice donation to go on this trip.
And she's like, I'm out. I'm out. Did you guys see the boat? Like this thing is disgusting.
And it's a 24 hour trip. And the water is insane apparently. And where I'm out. And what happened
on our end? I'm like, wait, what really is this all going to fall apart? Jenny was like,
Chelsea's right. I'm out too. This is horrible. I don't know what we're thinking. This is this
boat looks terrible. So now she's gone. So now we're left. I'm like, what's going to happen?
In the end, your cousin stepped up. Molly stepped up. And well, Molly was always going.
Molly was going always. And and Dara, I said, Molly, you take a friend. So Dara, who you know,
yeah, we were in my orca with her this summer. We we Dara, who used to work with me on my Netflix show.
She went with Molly was and by the way, did you, did you end up going? Yes.
Yes. Yes.
Friends. Chelsea night. We've only took it so long. And really,
I wasn't there. So I mean, do you expect me to remember moments? I wasn't even there.
Locking out. Yes, I went. And I ended up getting a friend to go like days before. I was able
to find somebody because because Jenny was also like, I'm out. I'm out. Chelsea is right.
This boat looks like shit. It's going to sink. And I don't want to go. We have we have one kid.
I should stay back with the kid in case you sink and die. So I found a friend and it ended up
being fantastic. Dara is the best. Molly and I we had the best time. My buddy was great.
Like we ended up having an incredible trip. It's a life highlight for sure. But yeah,
it all sort of came together in a very Chelsea and way where it was like, this is the next big
adventure we are doing this. We're all like, yes. And then she's like, I have fun guys.
But also Dara was C-sick from the time they left. I don't get C-sick, but I think on this kind
of adventure, you might get C-sick. She was sick. She lay in her bed and it was a bunk bed,
a cement bunk bed. So I was right not to go. I was right not to go because I would not have been,
okay, with that. Like I need the right. You brought Maxi pads. That's what you just
said. Jason always has Maxi pads on him. Always. Actually, I prefer the term Maxi shield.
Anyway, yes, that's a good story. I'm glad you brought that up, Jason. I have a question
for you because I know that you and Jenny just came back from one of your adventures. And now that
you're traveling with two small children, well, one of them isn't so small anymore, but they're
technically smaller children. They're not legal. How is that going for you? Because it looks
crazy. Yeah. At the end of every trip that we take with the boys, Jenny and I say with complete
conviction to each other that we are never going to do it again. There is no way we can take them.
It ends up being just not fun for us. And it's just a waste of money and time and energy.
And we're never going to do it again. And then we're like monkeys touching the electric fence.
You know, a couple of weeks later, we're like, where should we go next?
I will say this last trip that we took, we went to Dominican Republic on their spring break.
It was the first time that it felt okay. We were hopeful. Like there weren't too many major
inconveniences because of their age, because of their fighting, because of the time and all that.
It was the first trip where you go, okay, I think we're maybe on the other side of it, but you know,
fool me once. I'm sure where it's going to be the next trip we take is going to be a disaster.
It's hard. I mean, it's very hard, but we like you. We love travel. For us, just like you, Chelsea,
I believe we have this in common. Like travel is the number one thing in our lives. It is how we
learn. We want to learn. We're curious people and we love doing it. And it is where we spend our money.
It's our luxury and we like doing it. And like we always said we were never going to let the kids
get in the way that. And there for the first couple of years, though, you know, we would still,
what we should have done, I think, was sort of edited the kinds of trips that we took,
been a little bit less ambitious, but right off the gate, we were like, no, we're not going to
not go to Europe because we have kids now. Fuck that. But in the end, we probably should have
just went to Nantucket, you know, or the shore. Like we would have had fun. It wouldn't have been
as big of a put out for us in every way. And but I think we're finally on the other side of it
because our boys are now both, I think, at an age where they're, you're seeing their curiosity
about the places we go to. They're better with jet lag. Obviously, that's, that was always a
huge part of it. And I think they're getting better. So I don't know, I'll keep you posted. We're
going back to Europe over the summer. So we'll see. One other memory before we get started is
for anyone listening, because I know that ayahuasca episode is one of the most popular that I did
for the Chelsea does series. That was with Jason's wife Jenny. So the woman in that episode,
along with my other friend Dan was Jenny. And Jenny had a real epiphany, but she also had a very
like emotional reaction to the ayahuasca on the first night. And I'll never forget us. We were
in Peru, like on some tributary off the Amazon. And that night, I'll never forget. Jenny was just
all I could see. She only had one baby at the time. And she's like, all I could see is my baby
and my husband and my baby and how much I love my baby and how much I love my husband and how
much I love my baby. And I was like, go call Jason and tell him. And she's like, she called him
and she got off the phone. I go, did you tell him how much you realized you loved him? She's like,
no, I'm not telling him that. And I just thought that was so fucking funny. But of course, Jason
learned about it all because he was on the episode. But yeah, she doesn't want to give me too much.
And that would be, that would shift the power balance and our relationship in her mind.
Yeah, but it's so interesting that ayahuasca, man, it really, it was just so profound for her.
She came back. She was very clearly a changed person because you know, she, yeah, mother heard
for her is a very, you know, she's got the weird mom and she was always afraid to be a mom and
afraid that you couldn't do it and all this stuff. And so that, that specific episode, I mean,
was hugely important. And it was incredible. She came back all the things that you're, that
the positives you hear about ayahuasca, it all happened to her. Your, I know your experience
was a little different, but for her, she came back and she was like a changed person, changed mom,
changed wife, the whole thing. Oh my god. And I was like, this is amazing. It lasted about six
months, I would say. And then it started to just peter out and then it was sort of back to square
one. So I've been trying to push for her to go back to Peru. Have you, you've never done ayahuasca,
have you? No. And I, you know, I was already sober when you guys did that. And honestly, I didn't
really know much about ayahuasca before that. So when it got on my radar, I was already sober.
And I'm kind of conflicted about the truth is like I, I mean, I saw it with Jenny and I
believed the science behind it that it does have incredible therapeutic potential,
particularly with addiction and substance issues, actually. And so interestingly,
ironically, I think it would be wonderful for me, but at the same time, because it is a
mind-altering substance, I'm on this sort of, it's a sort of a great area for me as a so
reperson to mess with that. I think, you know, I think everyone, so for people, I think that you
would talk about it would all have a different answer about it. I think my sponsor, for example,
would probably say, no, don't do it. But I'm weirdly open to the idea. But the fact that I haven't yet,
in however many years, was that seven years ago, the fact that I haven't yet speaks volumes. But,
you know, now it's sort of the psilocybin, right? That's the new sort of version of ayahuasca.
I'm in the same boat with that. I'm like, I believe it's therapeutic. I know that I would benefit
from it. Yeah, right. I believe you would too. I'm not as your, obviously, I'm not your sponsor.
But I think you have the personality that's always like, you know, I think it's a growth edge
drug. Ayahuasca, not to speak to the psilocybin, because I feel like that can become a habit psilocybin,
whereas Ayahuasca is kind of a one-off. Well, I never did Ayahuasca recreationally. That was
an invitation of drugs, whereas psilocybin was something that I would do to get fucked up a lot.
Exactly. And Ayahuasca is more of a therapeutic, even though psilocybin is in the way it's
distributed, it can become more of a habit, whereas Ayahuasca is just kind of like an experience.
There are people who do it multiple times, but I feel like my experience lasted forever.
Knock on wood. I still have the same feelings I had after I knew that. It changed my mindset
period for good with regard to my relationship with my sister. But anyway, okay, well, that was very
entertaining, Jason, as usual. I just love talking to you. Oh, and the other thing I love about
Jason, which is why he's on the show today, is because he's very into therapy. And he's very
into talking about his emotions. And for a straight guy, I appreciate that. I always think he's
Jewish because he goes to therapy, but I'm always reminded that he's actually not Jewish.
Because Jewish men are so good at therapy, but Jason is very well attuned to his own emotions
and talking through them. And so I thought it would be very nice to have a straight guy on
to answer our caller's questions. And we curated them towards you so that you will.
Great. Okay. I love that. Well, we'll take a quick break and we'll come right back with some
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And a killer who is still on the loose. My small town rocked by murder.
There are certain murders I'm scared to discuss. In the 1980s, we're in high school losing
friends, teachers, and community members. One after another, after another, for a decade.
We weren't safe anywhere. We're teenagers terrified to leave our own homes.
Would we be next? Who is killing all the kids? And why? In that moment, I saw rage.
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And we're back! We're back! Well, we'll start with a caller today. Aisha is calling in about a
sensitive subject and we have to get her back to work. So she says dear Chelsea,
I'm a 36 year old woman married with two boys. My husband and I have been married for about a decade.
He is the epitome of a good man. He never lies. He's actually incapable of lying. He is never
yelled at me. He respects my friends and family. Goes out of his way to help anyone and is genuinely
one of the best people I know. Before him and I got married, we had each been in one other
serious relationship. My first boyfriend, when I was 19, was the first man I'd ever had sex with,
and he was much more experienced than me. The sex with him was amazing, but he was the epitome
of a bad boy and didn't treat me the greatest. My husband also has had only one other sexual partner
prior and that relationship he had was only a few months long. Needless to say, he was very
inexperienced when we got together. The sex between us has never been great. In the very beginning,
things seemed promising like it might get really good, but as time went on, it was the same old
lackluster routine. I know they say you have to teach your partner what you like, but I don't
want to train a man. There's nothing sexier than a man who knows what he's doing in the bedroom
and just takes full control. I've never had an orgasm with him, and as the years went on, we've
just had less and less sex. We'd attempted occasionally after having kids, but I'd have to stop
because nothing was working and I would just completely shut down. We're to the point now where we
just don't have sex at all. I have zero romantic interest in him and I can't even will myself
to want to kiss him. I longed for the days of my 20s when I was having incredible sex and the
feelings of just not being able to get enough of my partner. I'm now in my mid-30s and I crave
to have that relationship with a man again. I find that the only pleasure I get comes from
masturbating, thinking about the sex I had with my ex. How do I get the romantic feelings back
from my husband, and how do I get a great sex life again? Please help, sincerely Aisha.
Hi Aisha. Hi Chelsea. Hi Aisha. We have Jason Biggs as our special guest today. Say hi.
Hi Aisha. I'll jump in first because I just want to say you owe it to your partner to express
these things and to try and it is your responsibility in a sense to teach your partner what makes you
feel good. It is because you're in a committed relationship and there's no way that he's going to
figure that out without you verbalizing it. And as unattractive as that may sound, you're married,
you've been in this relationship for some time. You owe it to him to give him a chance to understand
what you're expecting or what you need. Obviously having no orgasm and not having great sex is a turnoff,
right? But how can you expect him to know anything unless you are communicative about it? And you know,
a sex therapist will be able to give you the language to use if you don't feel like you know how
to say these things to him. Like you can't give up on your relationship unless you give somebody the
tools to improve and then they can't do it then. Then there's a, you know, you have to kind of
overturn all of these things before you can give up on someone. I would say, I mean, if you were
dating him for a couple of months, sure, fucking say goodbye. But I think don't you owe him a little
bit more than that? No, I agree. I just find the communication part very hard because he's not a good
communicator. So whenever we do try to communicate, it's always like I put myself out there and he
doesn't really know how to respond or how to fully communicate. Like we've already gone to like
marriage counseling and like couples therapy. And even like the therapist, we started out together
and then they recommended that we do individual sessions as well. Like even the therapist had trouble
getting him to communicate and open up. So it's just very vulnerable for me to put myself out there
and then not get anything back. Did he remain in his individual therapy? Not very long. We,
even the therapist was like we're not really getting anywhere because like he really doesn't know
how to communicate. This is a very common issue among men, FYI. So you know that, you know,
I know a lot of my friends who deal with the same thing. I mean, obviously sex is hugely important
in a relationship, especially in a marriage. But I do believe you need to sort of exhaust every
option. Obviously before you sort of raise the white flag here, it's a bummer to hear that he's
not a great communicator. It's interesting because you talked about how good the guy is.
But I really wish there was a world in which you could both commit to it. Does he understand
just how important an issue this is to you? Like how much has been conveyed to him in terms of how
you specifically the sex issue, how important it is to you and how much it is an issue. Is he aware?
He is aware of it, right? I mean, I would like to think so, but I guess we haven't really had
that full conversation. But I mean, at this point, I mean, I couldn't even tell you the last time
that we had sex. It's probably been years. We'll start with that. Yeah, I think you need to start
with that. I mean, it's not in a threatening way, obviously, but I think he should know that
you're in a really bad spot. This is something that's incredibly important to you and you're not,
you don't want this relationship to end. He's the father of your children and you guys,
obviously, he's a great guy and you guys have something clearly. But I think you need to let him know
just how really difficult this particular position is for you. And if there isn't movement,
then you don't know what sort of to do from there. He needs to know how sort of dire it is because
it is important. Jenny and I fight. I mean, we've gotten into some some real fight. We'll go,
we joke about it, but the truth is we'll go stretches without having sex. And sometimes the sex
is just whatever. But we know that the potential is there. We just have to find the way to talk to
each other and let each other know what the issues are. I really think you should try to make him
go back to therapy. And if he doesn't want to do individual again, like then the two of you go
back to the Chelsea mentioned a sex therapist. There's marriage counselors, but then there's ones
that are more specific to sex. I think would be really good for you to look into. I couldn't
really tell from your letter, but assuming that you want this to work, I mean, are you kind of
at the end where you're just going, I want to be done with this and I don't know what to do next
or do you want this to work out? No, I want it to work. I mean, we have two kids. I mean, it's not
something that I'm just going to walk away from. And I mean, I definitely want to put in the effort
you know, to make it work. Yeah, but then I think you need to put in a little more effort. It sounds
like a good person to listen to. I just on your own first and foremost is Esther Perrell. She's
like the great sex therapist and she has a podcast and she talks about this exact thing with
couples and when their sex dries up and they don't have any spark left and that sounds kind of
like where you are. But I don't know if writing an email to your husband or sitting down and
talking to him, which whatever you think would have a greater impact, but really laying it out
because the only way he's going to learn to communicate obviously is with your communication.
I know many men that are like this and you have to say this is exactly what Jason's saying.
This is getting dire. I'm starting to think about maybe we might not make it unless we start to
cultivate some more sexual honesty between us. And for me, that involves having pleasurable sex
with you. If you're interested in that, we have to work to revitalize our relationship. We have
two kids. I want to stay married to you, but I don't want to live like this forever. So it's not
a threat. It's just an honest assessment of where you are. And maybe therapy in time, but really
focus on the sexual therapist, like getting a sexual therapist. These people are skilled and well
versed in how do you get the ball rolling again and communicating because even if your husband's a
shitty communicator in real life, he could be a great communicator in your sex life.
There are different compartmentalizations that people have. And once they learn the language
and get the vocabulary, they're excited to be able to use that vocabulary. So you could still have
that. You know what I mean? Like you could still have a good sex life if you put some effort in.
There's a possibility of that. You know, there's no guarantee, but it's worth exploring more.
And focusing on that aspect of things rather than maybe going to couples counseling since you guys
already tried that route. And it didn't work out. I would say you didn't have the right counselor.
And it's worth trying again. But first and foremost, I think you should address this issue because
you know, having sex with people is always going to bring you closer to that person.
Yeah. And Esther also talks a lot about how when you're more comfortable with your partner,
like you talked about at the top of your email, the more comfortable you are and the more safe you
feel, sometimes like the sex get it fizzles and it gets less hot and less hot and the more comfortable
you are with them. So she has books and she's got a podcast. So I would check that out as well.
I think one other thing to point out is this conversation that you're going to have with him about
this is something that's really important for the continuation of our marriage is something that
while it doesn't seem like there's a huge risk of that because you guys aren't really having sex
anymore, it should not come at a point where you've like tried to have sex and it's fizzled.
It should be like, hey, family meeting time just you and me. Let's talk about how we can jump
start our sex life because this isn't working for me. So that family meeting with the boys as well
would be very interesting. Exactly. Yeah. We just had that conversation with my five-year-old
the other day actually. Yeah. About your sex life with your husband? Well, no, no, no, no,
we were in the car and he's just randomly said. So how do babies actually get into the mom's
bellies? I need all the information. Maybe your husband just needs all the information.
It does. Here's exactly what I want. Yeah. You should have said like, well, I used to know,
but it's been so long. I couldn't tell you. And I wouldn't say like, I've never had an orgasm
with you. I would say like, it's been a while since I've had an orgasm with you. Like,
this is what it takes for me to have an orgasm. Do you feel comfortable having this conversation
with him? Not particularly, but I'm going to force myself to do that. The only thing I'm really
struggling with is once we get through this is like, in my head, I always have this expectation
that sex is just going to be shitty. So I can never like initiate it. How do I get over that
hurdle of once we get there and we're starting up again, like getting out of that mindset?
Well, you should tell him a that you want him to initiate sex, right? And you're projecting like
your past experience onto the future, which doesn't ever work for anybody because you can have a
new beginning with him. You have to be present about what you're doing. Now you have a new approach,
you're going to talk to him in an honest way that you probably haven't exercised for a while.
So the result of that has the potential to be really great. And you should focus on that instead
of what has happened in the past. Okay. And just keep telling yourself, if you want different results,
you have to act in a different way. Your behavior now is going to be different because you're addressing
it head on and that's going to lead to different results. And that's what you have to keep telling
yourself. Okay. All right. We'll keep us posted and we'll let us know what happened. Okay.
We'll work back. All right. I will thank you so much.
Send us some pictures if you guys haven't wild sex. Yeah. And I'll post a video.
Actually, I'll have Jason Post up for you. Okay. Thanks, Aisha. Okay. Aisha. Bye.
All right. Okay. We put a smile on her face. That's the most important thing. What's the
doodle? My orange just escaped to me. That's my therapy orange.
I know. Hopefully, this is the point where like she can get to the point where they're having
great sex. Like she talked about like, I was in vision. Or just get that sex at this point
because it sounded pretty bad. Any sex. Yeah. Just any sex. And men, you know, Jason,
your present company excluded because I doubt you're like this. But I mean, there are so many
men that are not able to communicate anything and that the idea of communication is so scary
that they would rather opt out of the relationship then have to deal with it. You know what I mean?
But there's also a group of men who when put to the test and know that it's the end of the rope
will do whatever they can to salvage the relationship. Yeah. I think that was such a good point
that you guys both made was so often when it's like we haven't had sex in three years, I'm out like
it's the person gets blindsided and they didn't even see it coming when like she's obviously
been feeling this way for years maybe for their entire relationship. So having that conversation
where she's like, I'm getting to the point where I want to raise the white flag is so important.
Yeah. Yeah.
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What our next caller is Gabriel and Gabriel says dear Chelsea.
I'm 30 years old and disabled. I've been in a very lovely relationship with my girlfriend
for the past six years and for four of those we've been living together. I'm 100% sure she's the
one. That's been settled. May issue is this. All our family and friends ask when we're getting
married and having children. Getting married will eventually happen because that's something we
both want. We just aren't worried much about it since we're in a great place in life right now.
I take issue with the question about when we're having kids. My girlfriend and I are sure that we
don't want kids for more reason than one. Some are personal, some come down to the fact that we just
don't want them. Comments at least toward me are always made about how I'm very good with kids
and I must be wanting to become a dad. When in reality I don't really like kids. I'm good with
them because they're just that. They're kids but it doesn't mean I want them for myself. I find
myself not knowing how to answer this question anymore without sounding like an asshole or what others
claim as selfish when asked why I don't want kids. No means no even with a seemingly harmless
question like this. It does get very annoying and I'm running out of things to say because to some
folks I don't want kids isn't enough. Thank you all for listening. I hope you can tell me what to
do because I'm starting to think just walking away from the question is the way to go.
Hi Gabriel. Hi Gabriel. Hi Gabriel. Hello. How are you guys?
Hi Gabriel. That's Jason. Our special guest today Jason Biggs is here so you have a straight male
to lean on as well as the two of us. Straight ish. Finally nice to meet you man.
Nice to meet you. Jason what would you like to say out of the gate on this one?
Oh boy. Yeah. I actually I'm really want to hear what Chelsea has to say on this. I think
it's more I think it applies more to her. I mean I my situation is this I always wanted kids.
I married someone who was not as gung ho as I was you know and so there was always a bit of a
disparity in whenever we would answer this particular question for starters but also when
just our general approach to it as time started going by and we've been married for multiple
years we didn't have to sit until we were married almost you know eight or nine years I think.
But eventually Jenny's sort of Jenny's big thing with fear. The reason she didn't want to do
was because she was afraid she would be a terrible mom because she didn't have a particularly
great mom right I think that's sort of my psychology 101 on the whole thing but there was a
part of her that sort of knew why and knew that maybe she should over try to at least overcome
that fear so I saw an opening so I definitely was trying to kind of push it a little bit more
ultimately we did it we got to that place and she became a different person as a mom that I mean
we we talked earlier in this episode about Jenny's ayahuasca experience she for the first few years
and even to this day sometimes she's like I don't know what am I doing was this the right thing but
I shouldn't say was this the right thing she knows it was the right thing but she's to go questions
you know we all be anyway my point is she's on the other side of it now and it's an incredible
thing that we that we have the kids so it's a little different I I suppose than where you guys are
in that you're both on the same page about this yeah we are that's the great thing about your
situation I think is that you there's no disagreement there's no difference in the way you guys
feel about the issue so that's wonderful Chelsea I really want to defer to you on this like what are
your thoughts on I think that you should come together with your fiance and develop a united
front answer for each person people just don't have any original ideas to talk about so when
they know that you're in love they want to know when you're getting married and then they want
to know about kids because that's just the way that society's been built so the best way to just
confront that or you don't have to confront I guess it's more of like you know you feel like
you're on the defense when people ask you that question I mean I know that I've been asked that
question even as public as I've been about you know not wanting children not that I don't like
children I don't it's exactly what you just said in your letter I'm nice to them because they're
children but I don't want them I don't want one of them and it's a newer idea culturally but
it's not a new idea there are plenty of people that have had children that shouldn't have had them
that didn't want them that thought that they had to have them so a simple answer is we don't want
to be one of those people who regret having children because we both just don't feel the urge
that's good and having people try to convince us otherwise feels really unfair to an unborn child
that's really all it is like I'm I'm someone that's really happy with my life my my girlfriend
Santa she's great she we're both really in great stable areas in our lives we love what we do
and like it's just for one like she has her reasons I have my reasons for me I know as a disabled
person that I cannot have kids like I know that in that such a thing that's like not very common
with guys that's like spoken about like infertility it's not very talked about and I think that's
kind of really frustrating in my case because I'm like I can't have kids and then I get the oh you
should adopt kids I'm like you're not listening to me exactly the whole experience the kind of like
how Jason said with the fear at the same time at first I think it was the fear but I think in my
case my fear is kind of in a selfish way because I have an amazing mom but as the years passed in
like the diabetes I know her life is kind of ending and as selfish as it is like this is something
like I hold to my heart I don't want to bring kids into this world and then not get to meet my mom
and enjoy her because my grandmother was a huge part of my life and I only got to enjoy her for
eight years and that like crushed me and I'm 30 now and every day I remember her I try to keep
her present in my life but at the same time I'm like I my girlfriend always says that she just
doesn't have the desire and like I know that I also don't have the desire because I've never
like like I said I'm good kids I'm bait I babysat a lot of kids I've actually even delivered a kid
11-year-old should not be delivering kids I was an 11-year-old delivering a kid
weird experience I know I was like whoa not for me so that's another reason it's cool my
friends have kids a lot of them kind of bug me about it and like just even know is like they just
won't take that they bring up an excuse but maybe Sienna does and I'm like I know I know Sienna
doesn't want them but also you don't owe anyone even an explanation you know and I'm a good way
to shut it down and say listen I've experienced enough difficulty in my life being handicapped like
my experience is enough to take up a lot of space in our room we don't have room for a child
that should shut people the fuck up right away I'm only 4-4 great yeah I'm really short so I'm
only gonna hold my kid for two months and then I'm gonna be like all right well you're my size
but I also Gabriel I think you should run with dude I think you should run with next time someone
asked you be like have you ever delivered a kid and when they say no you can be like I have I don't
want to do again I'm done peace out just drop the like I literally get delivered a kid on them
I feel that's your Trump card yeah and then you can transition to that funny story you know like
it traumatized me enough like I can't handle it yeah it's too much for me yeah yeah yeah I mean
we just gave you three options to shut people the fuck up so I mean just write all three of those
down and that way you can fire that off anytime somebody asks you the question and I will say as
someone who's been married for a long time you know assuming you guys go the long haul there is a
point at which it stops being cute like people think it's cute to ask you when you're having kids
to where it's awkward for them to ask you if you're having kids like after the 10 year mark they're
like well if they wanted them they'd be having them already or there might be some trouble going
on there that they you know can't get pregnant or whatever people make their own assumptions just
like they do assume that you might want kids so it does get a little bit better yeah that's
that's really what I'm I'm I'm hoping for like it's just very I think I'm in like a generation
where in the middle of a transition area where younger folks want to not have kids and women
and guys are just kind of living a more free life with like older folks oh you got to get married
you got to have the kids and some kind of like I enjoy my life I like to smoke my weight I like to
enjoy my dodger games I work with homeless veterans I help house them so that's like a job that I
absolutely love and adore I have a dog I have my precious partner like I don't need anything else
I'm fine I'm happy we're happy can it just kind of stop there and it's just a little frustrating
and overwhelming the constant constant constant it's like damn y'all they're the fuck out yeah
totally I'd say this though for what it's worth I would assume that it's better that it's coming
externally as opposed to within the relationship the fact that you and see are on the exact same
page about this is such a beautiful thing and that's what's ultimately going to get you through you
know it sounds like you got a lot a lot of things to be happy for right now so yeah it's a bummer
that this kind of weighs you down a bit but I hope there's a like Catherine said I think it'll
subside I should help some looking forward to that like I know marriage and all that stuff eventually
is it's something we want we we've talked that out a million times the kids stuff as well we're just
we kind of as bizarre as it is I think that was kind of a turn on which she was like oh I don't want
to get that that's not bizarre if you feel that way and you find someone that's like mine did and a
good idea is when you do get married a great announcement to make at your wedding is that we don't
want to be asked about children because we're not having any yay I love that well Gabriel yeah thank
you so much for calling in let us know how it goes next time you tell a glorious story about
delivering a child at 11 years old all righty thank you guys so much I appreciate the work thank you
for having me thank you take care like Gabriel I would get one delivering a baby I know I was going
to ask him that but I was like shit I didn't know how much time we had yeah I have more questions
than answers after that yeah well Grace says dear Chelsea my husband of a couple months now who
I truly adore follows likes and views what I call thirst trap influencers on Instagram Twitter
and tiktok I'll admit they're super hot but you know the kind it's almost like watching porn
or being on only fans all day now as a single guy in the past I'm sure he did this prior to our
involvement or marriage totally fine and in fact I promote healthy porn watching in and out
of a serious relationship I myself partake in such past times what for some reason this feels
different when does it become too much or not acceptable I'm not a 28 year old with great tits
and a smoking ass but I do know he finds me attractive and I also feel pretty damn sexy myself I
mean how I do me he doesn't have many followers on his accounts he seems to just use these platforms
to follow sports politics and these naughty girls we aren't friends online ourselves and I don't
sneak looks at his DMs we have a great sex life and I feel loved seen and appreciated why do you
think I feel sad when he quickly scrolls past and tries to hide these bang and ask girls just wondering
what your thoughts on this are and maybe how to express this to him without seeming incredibly
insecure and tell him it makes me uncomfortable should I worry or is it not a big deal I'm on the
defense all my love grace what do you think of that Jason she said something at the end there
about how do I say this without seeming insecure what's wrong with seeming insecure I have two
thoughts on it that kind of fight each other the one is I don't think it's that big a deal
oh hi baby hey come here we're talking baby I'm getting text early could you be a little
bit quieter is that it's not up to the other who speak too loud I too love to answer me Jenny we need
your advice on this okay so we had someone call in who said that her husband who she loves very much
follows a bunch of thirst trap type people on Instagram he follows politics sports and thirst traps
and she's getting insecure about him looking at these photos of women and she doesn't want to come
off as insecure but she doesn't know what to do because it makes her feel uncomfortable well I
just go on Jason's one and delete anybody I don't want you're following you're right right okay so
that's one option oh that's and Jason never notices I still feel like I follow a couple now
well not for long there are straps for him though are like pictures of like honey on a bed of
right it's true for real it's true no hold on I do think look it's the porn issue right like even when
the sex is incredible but you were just screwed about well that's my thing he needs to either chill
the fuck out be more discreet it sounds to me like she's trying to find it a little bit like you so
no I thought baby do you see who I like don't you see nothing that Sarah Foster always does when she
sees that like Tommy like likes a photo of like some like well you don't like it well first of all
don't be an idiot don't like the photos you can follow all right don't come along for the
love you but the other thought is there's nothing wrong with being honest and also showing your
vulnerability and your insecurity like come on say it like hey dude I if I was the guy and Jenny
came up to me and it was like you would not cast straight me and I do do it I do follow
food and everybody this is what's happening at their house I do there are a few people I follow
shut my door so I can follow some more okay I feel like you need to she needs to tell him that it
makes her feel icky and I think that's fine yeah she should be honest with them she should be
honest with them but with the understanding that it's like he's not doing something wrong in my
opinion it's if you make him feel like he's being accused of doing something wrong it's how you
phrase it if you make it about yourself this goes for anything in a relationship right do you
not you're making me feel insecure it makes me feel insecure I'm insecure and this doesn't help
my insecurity not you make me insecure which is such fucking bullshit when someone says that to you
thank you that's it it's a it's a subtle but incredibly huge difference and that would be my approach
maybe the ask is can you follow those gals on another account so like you can look at that in your
private time so I don't help back now then you have private stuff and it's like it's not private it's
not like he's having an affair he's just looking at these accounts listen and when I start dating a
guy and I see that they follow a ton of celebs accounts and they're not a celebrity I'm grossed
I'm like what is he doing you know what I mean like not not in an insecure way I'm just like wait
why is this guy caring about so much about celebrities if you're not a celebrity like the whole
point of dating somebody that's not a celebrity that you don't want to deal with that whole world
you want to have a life independent of that so I can relate to it in a certain it's certain degree
not as in a jealous way I'm more of an a turned-off way like what are you doing but I think when
you have insecurities it's okay to express them as long as you're not accusing the other person
of making you and then see how he responds to that that's it see how he see how he responds
oh my god oh god and look joking aside I follow some pages on there that I'm not particularly
that that are a little voyeuristic and weird that sometimes then we'll post like sexy photos of
people I don't follow the sexy accounts but they'll sometimes be really posted on other accounts
that I follow sure but but but here's the thing like he doesn't have to follow them like if you
treat it like porn dude you want it go to those pages go check them out at another time when
you're alone you don't have to like be sitting there scrolling and have to so that she's a just
unfollow and the next time you want to see someone's boobs whether it's on a foreign site or an
Instagram follow go and do it in privacy to me it's an easy fix but I do believe if she approaches
it with vulnerability I think there's there's no reason he shouldn't react and also he may get
defensive in the beginning but if that happens see what he does how he responds instead of reacts
you know to me give it a little space to see how he responds to your feelings being hurt or you
being insecure about something because in a loving relationship the other person should worry about
the other person's feelings and you know making sure that they're okay yeah and you're not asking
them to like what is this to give up I mean at the end of the day it is like compromise right
is the key the relationships that the end it's like compromise communication so it's at the end
of the day if it really came down to he needs to not follow a couple sexily clad models on
Instagram then like who cares dude yeah I also like I don't know that it's a big I mean I feel like
a girl that's not a big deal it's not a deal breaker as all it is it's not a deal breaker yeah
but ultimately you have to decide see that's a thing I don't think it's a big deal you have to kind
see like whose needs need to be met more you can want to meet both persons needs but at the end
of the day someone may have to bend a little more right right yeah and we don't know who that person
is in this situation but I can see either one of them needing to bend and it's not the fucking
end of the world if you need to unfollow a couple people to keep your marriage intact yeah yeah
yeah yeah and tell him to look at them in another room and you're not aware of them then
and fuck and deal with it.
Like if something has to bend at some point.
Okay, Jason, just calm the fuck down.
I need to go masturbate.
I have to, I can't.
Obviously, I just, I just, can I just,
we're gonna be right back.
We're gonna take a quick break.
We're gonna take a quick break
and we'll be right back.
Okay, bye.
Everness wise, we had virtually no evidence.
We had the word of a 15 year old
who told lies, a lot of lies.
A lie, a lie, a lie.
In 1995, Detective Tony Richardson
was trying to figure out who killed a fellow officer,
Deputy Bill Hardy.
Without solid evidence, the case comes down
to who is believed and who is ignored.
We did commit to an innocent man.
And he's been on death row all these years.
And I didn't know it.
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911, what's your emergency?
You shot her.
Oh my God.
It's a nightmare we could never have imagined.
And a killer who is still on the loose.
My small town rocked by murder.
There are certain murders I'm scared to discuss.
In the 1980s, we're in high school
losing friends, teachers, and community members.
One after another, after another for a decade.
We weren't safe anywhere.
We're teenagers terrified to leave our own homes.
Would we be next?
Who is killing all the kids?
And why?
In that moment, I saw rage.
And why do you some want the town's secrets
to stay dead and buried forever?
I'm not sure why you're digging up all this old stuff again,
but I'd be careful.
Don't say I didn't warn you, Nancy.
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We're back to wrap up with Jason.
We're to wrap up with Jason Biggs, everybody.
What a delight, Jason.
What I just primary beaded during the break.
Oh, it's called the call that it's called the call that it's called white humor.
It's called white privilege humor.
You guys, OK?
Jason, thank you so much for being here.
I love you so much.
Love you so much, Charles.
Thank you for having me.
Catherine, so great to meet you.
Likewise.
You're the best, Charles.
Love you guys.
Thank you.
OK, take care.
Have a great day.
Thanks.
Bye.
OK, guys, we have added more shows to my little big bitch tour.
I added another second show in Toronto.
So I have two shows in Toronto now, the December 7th,
December 8th, December 9th.
I'm in Ottawa.
And two new shows at December 15th on a Friday.
We're doing a 730 and 10 p.m. show with Kevin Hart and friends.
That's in Thackerville, Oklahoma.
And all my other shows that you can buy tickets for at ChelseaHellar.com.
I'm starting my tour back up on September 29th in New York City at the Beacon,
which is sold out.
But the next night, there are tickets available September 30th at the Beacon.
So for all fall dates, you can go to ChelseaHellar.com for tickets.
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