AS8 Reactions (w/ Mano Agapion & Jeffrey Bowyer-Chapman)

This is a headgum original. Oh my god, here we are, here we go. Just like a river, Herstory is repeating itself. I'm Ano Agape and you're listening to the one and only RuPaul's Drag Race recap, and I am so delighted to be here today with a Judy who is kind, actually too suspiciously kind, scary. She's freaking me out. It's like I'm friends with a popular, nice, like a popular hot girl, and I'm like, why is she being nice to me? Like, I'm like, she's gonna spill blood on me at any moment. It's Jeffrey Boyer Chapman. Oh, Mono, I love you. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You are too nice. It is, it freaks me out. You're so silly. It's not true. I mean, I mean, like a track's like, does it not? Yeah, I guess so. I guess so. We always have a really good time, and I think we have a connection as friends. I enjoy you. I just, I'd like to see you from the minute I met you so many years ago, and I've just, I've always really enjoyed your company, and you surround yourself with really good people as well. So I feel like it was very telling. I just immediately trusted you when I knew that you had such phenomenal friends around you. Speaking of which, I didn't realize that Nicole was at the finale when we were there together. I know. What the heck? How did I miss her? How did I not see her? She was in the front, and then I think she did get hungry, so she left. She did not. So wait, so we were stuck there with Cheez-Its? Yeah. And dried coconut flakes, but she left to get it out. I was talking about that. The little cup of dried coconut flakes was particularly denigrating. But I, again, I went for it because I was starving. I mean, you know, to be fair, coconut is a great go-to to balance your blood sugar, so... It's... it felt helpful. It felt like mana. It felt like life from the heavens. Yeah. Let's talk about that briefly, right? Sure. All Hail Our Queen, Ms. Sasha Kobe. Yeah, it's our Amahu Goddess. Muh-hoo in the house. Well, okay. So you've been to these before, though. You've been to some of the finales before or no? Oh, yeah, child. Oh, yeah. I think this is probably my fourth finale. Yeah. Is this your first? It was my first. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it was. Oh, that surprises me. So it's fun and novel for me. Obviously. What did you think? I loved it. I loved it. I had the honor of doing a drag show yesterday with Daila, and I've been communicating with her. She's wonderful. I do a dumb, bad drag show called Bad Drag Race, and she supports crunchy comedy drag, and she hosted with us. So wonderful. You've got to invite me to this next time, please. I will come up via... And I loved it. You've hosted the show before. Do you remember when we did it at UCB, and you hosted the show with us? I think you're joking. Yeah. Do you remember it was the highlight of my psychological life child. I loved it so much. It was myself and you and Nicole Byer and who hosted it with us. Who hosted it with us? Oscar Montoya. Oscar. That's right. Yes, that was so much fun. We had a great time. It was the latest that I've stayed up. I don't think I've stayed up that late since, and that was maybe six years ago. Ever. So to all of this, you were amazing. You have to come and guess, Judge again. Sure. I asked Daila if she was going to it to which she said, oh, hell no. Because it's too late. Because she knew, she knew to be specifically the drag race finale is seven hours long. Oh, I see. She's done it before, but you knew it was going to be long. Was that longer than other ones? You know, because of all of the hiccups, which I'm sure you've discussed in your prior episodes, the dancer injury and all of that. Yeah. I mean, it definitely threw a wrench in the well oiled machine that usually is. But it, you know, it didn't. We are there and we're surrounded by so many of our friends and colleagues and acquaintances that I really wasn't bothered by it. I was just there to enjoy your company and Rachel. And God Vanessa Williams. Vanessa Williams, I was going to say, you know, Michelle Visage and Ross and Carson and TS Madison and Jamal Sims. And I'm also so excited to see all of my friends. That's so I was. I was. And we were seated next to some canceled gays. So it's a real honor to be included. You were. We were. Just they will go unnamed. Roll back the tapes. But I am not. I am not in the no child. I'm not on Twitter. I do not like I do not die. God bless. I need to leave Twitter. I'm really, really, really done. Then do it now live on the corner. No, but the porn. Oh, honey. Just, I mean, just set up a set up a separate account entirely for that. Like you don't just, you know, you're not missing anything. Oh, no, no, no. Okay. For the people. Do it for the culture. I really, it is disgusting. It is. It is not fun. I disappear off Twitter. Just, just Instagram. Oh, it's the worst. It is the worst. I deleted mine several years ago at the suggestion of, of Roo. And it was the best thing that I could have done for myself. Do you. Who needs that talk success pool? Not me. And it is not an actual accurate representation or reflection of the real world around us. Like it is the tiniest thing I can. You went through it. You went through it. You really went through it. You. But with time and perspective, you realize that that it's not, it is not representative of the real world. It is like the tiniest little fraction of a really, really dark side of the queer community that is just an unhealed trauma. It's what it is. It's not. I can see it with perspective and I can see it objectively now. And it's like, I don't take it personally. Isn't that funny? Do you think it's like, because like we feel so unheard, we grow up feeling unheard. So then there's some part of that that lends itself to when we have a purely gay space and an online space. People pop off even more and misbehave even more because they finally feel like this is a place where they can be heard. Maybe. I mean, I don't even. You don't want to entertain. I don't pretend for a moment to try to understand the inner workings of how and why people on Twitter behave the way they do. Aside from the fact that you can just feel it's a lot of projected trauma. Also I wouldn't lump you and I into the category of the we of it all. So much of it is just totally angry white gays who, although they may be marginalized individuals and be queer themselves, they're still white men at the end of the day. And this period on the foundation of racism and and interior. So. So you have to have to have a good time to do this. And you have to have a good time to do this. And you have to have a good time to do this. And you have to have a good time to do this. And you have to have a good time to do this. And you have to have a good time to do this. And you have to have a good time to do this. And you have to have a good time to do this. And you have to have a good time to do this. And you have to have a good time to do this. Are you missing that? Are you missing that or so happy you stepped away? Both. I mean, I will always ruin Michelle and Carson and Ross and and Fenton and Randy and Alicia to Garamagania and all of the Tom Campbell, all of Theron, all of the American producers will always be my family. But you know, can't this drag race is its own separate entity. I love them very, very much. She's a phenomenal human being. I'm so glad we had that experience together. But you know, it's a whole other set of producers and editors and directors and people don't really understand that. So it's not, you know, when I first entered into the drag race world, it was it was Ru's world. And then I was invited into the can of this drag race world and it just wasn't it wasn't the same people, not the same energy, not the same vibe, not the same intentions, not the same morals or moral compass. And I learned a lot of lessons through that experience. I did have to step away because I had to make a choice just strictly based on timing and schedule. I had a choice to go do this Disney plus series called Dookie Kamehaloha or second or the second season of Canada's Drag Race. And it really was like one or the other. I couldn't do both because of COVID and timing. So I chose the Disney show and I'm so glad I did. I mean, I get to live in Hawaii for five months out of the year and play a queer character on a Disney show. I mean, I believe I'm the first openly queer black series regular on a Disney entity. You better fucking work. Pretty fucking major. Yes. You know, and I just posted something yesterday saying that every project I'm on, my intention is always to be used for a purpose greater than myself. And on this show, I happen to play a doctor whose specialty is gender affirmation surgery. And the fact that that exists at this very point in time, especially on a Disney entity when so many trans people's rights are being stripped away from them, you know, in their own bodily autonomy being stolen from them. It's more important than ever. So no, I don't regret it. I love it. Luckily, my schedule is a little bit different this season with Dookie. So I will be able to pop in on RuPaul's Drag Race for some kind of substitute. But you are so, I mean, you're just delightful everywhere you show up. I fucking love every time we're on Drag Race. I love the will they want. They continuing joke of you and Ru. It makes me laugh every fucking time. You're so funny. It's a treat. Ru is one of the great loves of my life. I love him so, so, so dearly. So dearly. But for the will they want a portion of it? No, they won't. We're just friends. No, they won't. It's just funny and dumb. It's funny. And because we're safe, we can do that because we're safe with each other and we trust each other. We know it's a safe environment. We know that we can play like that and that it's a reverent and it's silly and it's fun and we both enjoy it. It's really dumb. So what is going on with you? You are working. You're getting dumb. You're spreading your gay joy all over the place. Yeah. What's next for you, bitch? Because you've been manifesting like a motherfucker. And if you go back and listen to this old episode of Drag Race, I told you this when I saw you. Like you were so weirdly instrumental to my growth because you're such a safe person to be like, oh, I'm trying to do this thing. And then a couple years ago you were like, dream it, be it. It'll happen because you were like dreams are like dreams are real is one mantra. You sometimes were talking about of like dreams are real live a dream. It's then real. And some of some things have been happening for me. I think of you often because I'm trying to be like, dream it, dream it, be it, be it, dream it. That's beautiful. So what is your next dream? Well, that makes me, I just have to say that makes me really happy to hear. And it's, I need those reminders. I need people who will remind me the truth of that, the reality of that that life is, but a dream and that we do manifest our own realities. Michelle Visage is somebody who is a great constant reminder of that for me. It's a, we have that level of conversation, you know, about spirituality, visualization, manifestation, ruin. I talk about those things. I mean, it's really important to have people in your life to serve as reflections and reminders of just how far you've come on your journey and to hold you accountable when you say things out loud and you set intentions to have other people remind you of why you're here and why you are choosing to go in the direction you're going in. What's going on for me? I mean, what are you manifesting next? I mean, you're already a super fucking star. Oh, come on. Come on. You're already a creator too or do you? Yes, that is. Did we not talk about this the other day? That's hilarious that you're saying this. I don't know if we did. I don't know. You're reading my soul. Reading your soul. I'm reading your soul. Yes. Tell me. Yeah, I am. I very much feel like I'm at a place where I have to. I feel like as you know, there's, you know, only so many opportunities out there in the entertainment industry for us as queer people or people of color, marginalized individuals. And I read so many scripts and so many projects and so many of them are just, how do I say this politically correct? Not for you. Trash? Trash. A lot of it is just absolute trash. Hot steaming, coming garbage. Yeah. Hot steaming garbage fire. Instead of being upset about it and, or, you know, taking the jobs that I don't want to do just for a paycheck but kind of ultimately eat away at my soul. My intention, like I said, is always to be used for a purpose greater than myself. And so how can I do that if I don't necessarily want to be the one that's in front of the camera telling these stories that don't mean that much to me? The natural answer for me was just to take a step back behind the scenes and create the type of projects that I would love to see on other streams. So yeah, I am. Yeah. I mean, we're in a weird place. Is it funny? Is it beautiful? Is it both? Well, I have a couple of projects but one specifically, it's like very queer. It's like a, I can't get too much into it. Okay. It's TBD. It's funny. It's sexy. It's dark. It's satirical. It is a real commentary on celebrity culture and our obsession with it, commentary on cultural appropriation and Hollywood's obsession with it. I really love it and I'm really proud of it and it's really cool. But we're, as you know, and this may be a little bit boring to the listeners, but we're in like a really weird place of an alluming writer strike in Hollywood. Right. There's not much that can be done at the moment. We're not pitching at the moment because it's weird. It's been weird. But it's also been, it's been weird. Things I've also experienced some pros from X people are like trying to get shit done because everyone's scared of the deadline. So people have been turning shit around. Sometimes people are turning shit around quickly, which is nice. Yes. But until then, I am very happy and very comfortable on my show. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love you doing well. I love to see you boot up. I have only heard the best things about your boo and I just thought. You know, somebody, somebody mistook you for my partner the other day at the Natalie. Did you catch that? Yes. And I was charmed. I was like, you're both, you're both really adorable. Yeah, I'm here for it. I am fully here for the journey. I'll take it. I'll eat it up. No, I mean, and I saw him. He's a looker. So I was like, okay, yeah, bitch, I'll be, I'll be, I'll be confused for him. So okay, we now ask you some before we get into these all stars eight reactions, I have to ask you some very dumb questions in the grand tradition of the Tyra Banks TV talk show. I'm going to ask you some questions based on your name for no good reason. Okay. So Jeffrey Boyer Tappman, do you like to dance? I do like to dance. Am I a great dancer? No, but this is, you know, I have the same answer that I have when people ask me if I do drag or have done drag in my real life. No, but in movies, I've done drag several times. So in my real life, do I dance? No, but on, you know, the past two projects I've done. I have danced and it's, but it's required like, you know, like a week long of 12 hours of, of dance rehearsals to make me look like I know what I'm doing. Shocking. I would assume, I would assume you're good because you have like a swagger. When in person, you have a swagger. I mean, I can, I can move to a beat, but when it comes to like memorizing choreography, it's a whole other beast. I got it. I get it. Okay. Jeffrey Boyer Slapman. Have you ever slapped a bitch? Have you ever slapped a bitch? Have you ever slapped a bitch? Playfully. Yes. Many times. Many several many times. Seriously? No, I don't think I have. I've never, I don't think I've ever been in like a physical altercation. Have you? You have. Who did you slap? I fought my brother growing up. Like my brother was really straight and we would fight. Well, he had it. He had it. He had it coming. Um, no, he was too straight and I was too gay. So we were just constantly like, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, but you have to, you have to shut up. He loved he man. I was here for Sheera. We were just. I mean, that's reason enough for there, for there to be a lifelong sibling rivalry. He man. She rushed. She rushed all the way. Totally. Oh my God. Princess of power. Jeffrey Boyer Whapman. What quality in a person gives you a wet ass pussy? Oh God, mono. Where do I begin? What quality would you see that in a person? You go, you know what? That gives my pussy a wet ass moment. I'm going to give the same answer that Anitra gave at the grand finale. Any brown man over six feet. I love it. I'm here for it. So, so Jafar. So Jafar. He sexy as fuck. Let's be real. Oh my God. I'm here for it. We knew Bo and Yang did a and person. Did you see Bo and Yang's impersonation? Of course. God, Bo and Yang is such a fucking genius. And on top of that, I was like, Oh, I'm sexually fully attracted to Jafar. Who knew who knew? Okay. Jeffrey Boyer, chap, Nahn. What's your favorite kind of bread? Garlic Nahn. Garlic Nahn. Is there any other? Is there any other note? How about a cheese, Nahn though? I, you sure I'll do a little cheese on every once in a while. I try to eat vegan most of the time. During the pandemic, I do have to say that I did jump on the basic bitch sourdough bread band wagon and I was making like two to four loaves a week and as delicious as they are when you are not moving your body while ingesting that insane amount of carbohydrates and calories. I definitely started to put on the the COVID-19. So yeah, eaters beware. They'll get you. They'll get you. So if we did a pandemic that feels like we did one whole pandemic. It's kind of bananas, isn't it? Jeffrey Boyer, chap, Nahn. What trend has to go? What are gone? Is that a trend? It has to be at this point. Buy it. Buy it, girl. Buy. Yeah, we're done with it. We're done with it. We I am here for you. Okay. So how about this? You're going to go and vote your Chapman. You're really like that. You're really like that. You're really like that. Really? It was so bad. It was so bad. It made me laugh. Jeffrey, vote your Chapman. Do you fuck with boats? Buck no. Do you do water? You don't do water. You don't do wild. Child. So I've had to make it abundantly clear to the writers on on doogee. No. Never ever because we film in Hawaii. You never ever ever write any scenes with my character on a boat or on the water. Really? Oh my God. The first season myself and my partner and four of the cast members decided to rent kayaks out at Lanikai Beach and in on a Wahoo and kayak out to these little remote islands called the Moaks. I was so I mean long story short, I just I was I was beyond beyond seasick. I was vomiting into the ocean as these like gorgeous massive sea tortoises were circling around us and you know, it was just like it was the most beautiful setting. And then you just see me project all vomiting into into this. Oh, so it's fully just the nausea. I can't do it, man. Yeah, it's the nausea. And drama mean fuck you up for a whole day. Yeah, because it makes me tired. Yeah, you know, I really can't do much when it comes to anything that makes me motion sick. It's it's something that's come with age as well. I was fine when I was a kid, but for some reason, it's gotten older. It's just I'm a lady baby. I am a land baby. So no, I do not follow boats. I get it. It's fucking it's fucking insane. I've been on too many. I've been on some boats. I've never liked them, but I've been on them, especially when I was Greek Euro trash in my earlier 20s because if you're an island hopping piece of trash, the boats that go between the islands are the cheapest way to get from me conos to Santorini. And we've had some unfortunate times and if you get on a ferry hung hung over, oh, you are you're puking your entire soul out. I can't even imagine. Well, we're gonna come right back and talk these queens. But first silence JBC. I feel like taking a break. Oh, hey listeners, it's me mono and I am here to just give you the update on a pop culture moment that cannot be ignored. It is a podcast that is both funny and might make you learn something. It's called fierce rivalries. It's hosted by the icons Delta work and Kelsey pageant. That's right. They bring it to you every seconding ball. You have to hear these stories. They are all about stories and rivals who will stop at nothing to beat each other out. On this show, they explore the most hilarious and unusual rivalries from pop culture history. Like stuff from like history, even like battle of the world tallest buildings to outrageous Texas cheer moms and even Cleopatra versus the whole damn world. My favorite is the Kellogg's brothers. Oh my God, if you don't know about the Kellogg's brothers, get into it. Delta and Kelsey's like super unique perspectives bring you commentary. They bring you gag. They bring you laughs and it's a must listen. So go. Make sure to tune into fierce rivalries on Apple podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get podcasts. Go. Bring back my break. Oh, JBC, we're back and we're talking some all stars. As we know, we didn't even we couldn't even have a week off before they brought us more drag race. We never though. Can you believe the drag race economy right now with me? I mean, I mean, every country. I mean, yes, I can believe it because the children were literally starving for it. They were begging for it. But, you know, it's hard to please everybody. If there were if there's a week between seasons of drag race, people are going to complain this too soon. And if there's months between seasons of drag race, people are going to complain that they need it and want it right fucking now, you know, right, you know, right. There's no there's no winning formula. So there's no stopping it. You got to just yeah, look, I'm sorry, but I hate to bring up boats again, but we do have to just get on this boat and buckle up. We got to buckle up and I'm very excited for all stars. It's the first time we've had an all stars like since like we had like all winners last year, right, which was unbelievable and amazing, but like a totally different beast. It was probably my favorite season to to judge on was all winners because it was just the level of. Yes. What episode were you on again? That's a great question. What episode was I? I was on the episode. It was an acting challenge. A fairy tale justice. It was amazing. Yeah, it was great. Did you even to watch even more footage or were you there? Like the whole thing. No, I get to watch the entire challenge. And as you know, it's each challenge is like maybe takes it's over an hour each. Yeah. He means challenges over an hour. So and it's just cut down to a matter of minutes that the audience actually sees. But no, I got to see all of the inner workings. It was brilliant. Brilliant. I mean, you know, and it was incredible. And you think jinxes and jinx and the Vivian just blew my fucking mind in that. Yeah. You think you think they were good with what y'all saw? It was like there's even more. It would have been torture for the editors to choose pick and choose. Yeah. Exactly. It was going to be shown at the end of the day because all of it was beyond brilliant, beyond. I do love that we had a nice reset of like a season that celebrated excellence and love and support. I felt like that feels nice. Sure. Yeah. It was. No, it was. We did give negative critique as well. They just chose not to. They just didn't show it. You know, so you know, you the old adage like blame it on the edit. Sometimes you really can blame it on the edit. You can. Good or bad. We all know it's like a lot more goes into the show behind the scenes and you know, then what is ultimately shown to the viewers so much more. I love that like I love that they took that swing. I love that the editors were like, you know what? We could we could just not show all of this. Like let's just show the love. Why not? Yeah. It's a it's a good time in in in these days we're talking about fucking telling Twitter to fuck off and go to hell like it was a better metaphor than this. Yeah. I am. We love that. We're so excited. We have all stars eight. A lot of queens coming. All queens except one have never been to an all stars, which I think is really exciting. I everyone except Jimbo. Jimbo's been to UK versus the world. Right. Which is like, you know, kind of a version of all stars. It's a it's a it's a little it's it's a little goo goo goo. It's a little snoop snoop. I went to Akbar yesterday and can I tell you I was I was in drag. How many people came up to me asking for cocaine? What? Why? Because I was doing I was doing a very ugly drag and I think something I was doing drag as an American Idol contestant from the early 2000s and something about my look said you have cocaine on you. Well, also you read Akbar. So let's let's be real about the client. No offense. No offense. It's a little seedy. It's not it's not it's not in the chic section of West Hollywood. Let's just say that it's a little grungy East LA. That part. So first up, we're going to talk this Heidi and closet moment Heidi and closet just in general. How happy are you that she's back? She's so sweet. Oh my goodness. Not only has she just evolved into a mega queen. She's just such a good kind person. I really. She's amazing energy. She's amazing. She's effortlessly hilarious. The show is lucky to have her. Yeah. I also really appreciate and respect her standing her ground and you know, let me preface this by saying that RuPaul is a branding genius. Mm hmm. Brilliant beyond measure. But you know, even with him advising that she change her name from Heidi and closet to something else, I really respect her standing her ground and totally. Yeah. It is so funny that she's keeping it. We're going to I'm sure we're going to see a million jokes this season about repaul still saying I can't believe you still have that name. It works. She stepped her shit up and I love that she's immediately referencing the Nicki Minaj moment where Nicki Minaj said she hate hate hated her hair and makeup. Yeah. She has grown so much. She's in my top four like I there's so many good queens, but in a dream world I would love to see her in the top four of this season. Yeah. And that would be fun. That would be cute. Do you like her entrance room look? She's adorable. Like I said, I mean, her glow up was real. She came in with this full force of confidence. I mean, she knows what she has to bring and she doesn't doubt it for a second. And I just love that anyone who walks in with this level of confidence, no matter what they're wearing, they're a winner. And I've seen it perform live on all the tours and my God, she's so unbelievable on the stage. Yeah, she's exquisite. I really love the silhouette of this look. It's really it's black and white penguin moment. It's stunning. It's stunning. Coming up next. Walking. Mrs. Kasha Davis. Yes. Musically underrated queen. You know, she's she's always been discounted because I don't know. There's a lot of ageism and drag race. That's real. I mean, you didn't have to sugarcoat it for a second. It's not just drag race. There's there's ages and everywhere we go in this world, but entertainment to it's a tough place. Without question. I think that's you've unfortunately hit the nail on the head. I think that she is underrated because of ageism, but that doesn't discredit her talent or charisma, uniqueness and nerve. Honey. No, she's amazing. Do I love the entrance outfit? Sure. It's cute. Yeah, it's her. It's Mrs. Kasha Davis. It's her. Yeah. It's her. I hope one of her runways this season is an entire box of wine. I would I would really love that. Amazing. I really dig the shoes. I will say that. Yes. I mean, look, it all looks gorgeous. I really like the hair. Yeah. And she doesn't look like she looks somehow younger than when on her season. I know. Which is incredible. I am excited. I hope she goes even harder this season. I hope she somehow like plays the comedy challenges even more like a boss because we all saw she's funny. Yeah. But maybe sometimes seeing yourself on TV gives you the opportunity to be like, oh, I'm going to like be a monster now. I'm not going to be polite. Absolutely. And also to maybe have the opportunity to bounce off a few more comedy queens because as sickening as the seasons haven cast was it was not necessarily known as not a funny cast overall minus a few. Sure. Ginger. Ginger was in season seven. Ginger was freaking hilarious. Yes. Ginger was in that season. Trixie funny. Mmm. Yeah. True. But this. Yeah. I mean, because of Davis, I'm very excited to see what she does. It's going to be interesting to see this season because I don't know the tea if there's if the girls in the season are sending each other home. I'm guessing it's the all stars thing where the girls send each other home. I don't know. Well, oh, that's true because it was all stars all when there's last season and nobody nobody got sent home. I have no idea. I wasn't there this season and even if I was, I wouldn't tell you. Yeah. I know. Right. You can't. I quite I quite literally legally can't. Well, I would be curious to see what kind of survivor game is at play in this because there's always something there's always something. There's always got a few tricks up her sleeve. There's always something dork said it. OK, Mrs. Naysha Lopez. Love coming in giving jailbreak. Gorgeous. Love it. Love it. Gorgeous. Another. Miscontinental coming in reclaiming her time. Yes. Went home too early on season eight. Or too early. You want to talk about Twitter? She's always posting the thirst traps. Is she really? I don't. Yes, she is. She's very attractive in every gender expression. Yeah, she's she's really sickening. She went on. She went home quite early in season eight. Did she not? She did. Yeah. She like went home and then came back and went home. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Oh, the phone call moment. That's right. How could I forget? Remember when we all wanted it to be pork chop like a C's bring pork chop back. We always wanted to be pork chop. No. I will say pork chop should be on this cast. That's a missed opportunity. I agree. Yeah. I do hope that you know I hope that that's something that they continue throughout the Drag Race franchises like I would love to see the first Queen eliminated from season one of Canada's Drag Race juice box. I would love to see her brought back for a season. She has to. Oh my god. She's sickening. Incredible. I in. Yeah, she's amazing. I remember even on that that episode and I mean it was also so. It was just so beautiful like how supportive everyone around her was when she was having a hard time on stage. That was, you know, that was a moment. But to that point, I mean, I think it's great. It's really cool that obviously this cast has a lot of people who didn't get a chance to shine like on their season fully. Yeah. So I. Even another Queen who was eliminated first of her season. Yes. We have James Mansfield coming up. Yeah. The Asia Lopez look sickening orange jailbreak. I want to see how cunty she is. I bet she'll give us some kind as she provides in the in the Roscoe's viewing parties. She knows how to stir shit up. I would hope so. Kacana. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Give me a Vegas queen any day, honey. This bitch knows how to work it. I love me. I've seen her in the show too. Have you seen the Vegas show yet? I have seen the Vegas show, but I didn't see Kacana in it. I went to, did I? It was the, I went to the opening night like way back. Amazing. Free pandemic days. So I don't believe she was in that show. Yeah. But I'm familiar with her, with her, her Vegas shenanigans. She's extraordinary. I saw the Vegas show. Amazing. Crazy acrobatics. We all know she can give you crazy acrobatics. She's got even more body, even less nose. And I'm excited. I'm excited to see what she does. Yeah. I love this look too. It's so bold. I mean, I just, she's, this bitch knows, she knows, she knows her body. She knows her angle. She knows how to work it. She's somebody who is so self-aware in the best way possible. I cannot wait to see how she has evolved from her season to now. Vegas. I think being in the Vegas show has only polished her in ways that couldn't have happened to any other way. She's. She's ready for this. She's here for it. Fully. Right down to either buying or borrowing the costumes. Cause I mean, in Vegas, I imagine it's even easier to be like, bitch, give me that. I'm taking it with me to the set. Yeah, for sure. I'm excited. I'm excited. Okay. After Kahana, we've got, oh fuck. Candy Muse coming into this work room. Holy shit. So correct me if I'm wrong. Is Candy Muse the, she the first runner up that's come to. She's a runner up. To all stars. Right. I can't think of her. She was a runner up on, you mean, wait, huh? On season 13. She was a runner up on season 13, but has there been another runner up that has come to all stars? I don't know if that's nice. Not in a while. I guess, you know, like ginger and Eureka in all star six, I might be forgetting someone else, but right. But were they neither of them were top two though. Were they top two? I mean, now we're just getting into a needs of that. Right. We're getting to a, but I know what you're saying. Like a runner up. She was top two. She was top two. She was fully top two and it hasn't been since the days of like all stars two and one where it was like straight up runner ups. You know what I mean? Like usually there's, there might be some extenuating circumstances there, but yeah, I know you mean there was a couple seasons where it was like obviously harder to get people who had been runner ups and I bet it's because they're, I mean, it's kind of scary. Right. You kidding me? You've got so much to lose, but it's so, it's also so exciting to see a queen that's like just recently come off of the Drag Race circuit and comes right back into it. It's, you know, it's a different level of risk that they're taking as opposed to somebody who hasn't been on for several many seasons, you know, somebody who's had a decade in between their debut season to, you know, to really find themselves and come into themselves in a way that is a little less high pressure because it's not on camera. This is, this is really, really exciting and it's really, really courageous of her. I really commend her for coming back so quickly. Well, that's what I love about Candy. She is her own biggest fan. Like, and I think that's a really healthy thing. I mean, it could go either way. It's also why she's good TV and why she's iconically known for saying phrases like if you don't have star quality, get the fuck out. She's not wrong. She's not wrong. She is a star. So I am, I'm excited to see her get messy. I think she's coming into this cast feeling, feeling pretty extra. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think she'll come in feeling her oats and I'll be curious to see if that puts a target on her back. Sure. I mean, if you're walking into all stars, you already know that you're a winner baby. So there's, I don't think there's any shame in feeling your oats the way she is. If you were competing against Candy Muse, do you want to get her out early or do you? I mean, I mean, for all the obvious reasons, yes. She's everybody's competition. Well, that's what's so curious. I think about these early outs. I'm curious if the early, early outs is reductive, but like the queens who have had last time on the show, are they going to be hungrier when it comes time to cut a bitch? Like is James Mantell's dance feel going to be like, I'm not playing nice. Candy Muse go home. I mean, I guess I guess we saw how she conducted herself in the bitch who stole Christmas. So I guess we'll have to see how she's playing this game this time around. Darien Lake, holy shit. No, she's at the top four. She was in the top four of season six before they did top fours. Oh, gosh, she looks good. She looks amazing. The cool waters of Darien Lake. I do wish she came in and said, walking down the down the dirty street, city street and all the city feet. Again, I wish I could tell these girls what their entrance lines should be. Like, because I definitely would punch up a couple of them. That's amazing. Alexis Michelle in particular, I'm like, all you have to say is, Tamar, do you even watch the show? That's your entrance line. Like, you know what I mean? Not whatever you said. You know what's funny about that, Mono? It's so often when you say these things, because you, like I've said this now a dozen times, you know, when you're filming an episode of Drag Race or really filming anything, you're, you know, you're filming 12, 10, 15, 12 hours a day. There's so much footage. There's so much that comes out of your mouth. And it's really hard to remember what it is specifically that you said. And it's so when, when certain things hit, when you have certain quotes or whatever, they just really, you know, make up a mark in the zeitgeist. Sometimes you just completely forget about it. Yeah. Like I think totally like Kiki Palmer with the sorry to that man, you know, like sorry to this man. Yes. There's no she remembered that moment. I have so several many moments like that where I've said things where it's like, people are like, say the thing. And I'm like, what thing? I don't know what I said. I don't know what I said. Why, and why is it funny? Well, that's the magic. I always say like, your gut's funnier than your brain. You know what I mean? Like, so those moments where you're genuinely not thinking and it just craps out like those moments. I mean, that's why I love improv, obviously, but it's like the magic of not thinking usually yields more impressive results than thinking and premeditating and then delivering it. Yeah, exactly. Like the Tyra Banks again, clearly I'm obsessed with Tyra Banks, but the Tyra Banks moment in A&TM, I don't know if you've seen this meme or if it's affected you when she, there's some stupid stunt on the show. And then she walks towards- We were rooting for you. We were all rooting for you. I mean, yeah, that, I mean, that one too. This one's even dumber and smaller. It's when she says, who was scared? Who was scared? I don't know that. Please send me that joke. I will. It's so funny. I mean, Tiffany, how dare you? We were all rooting for you is perfect. Yeah, love it. Love it. Her pretending to have rabies on her own TV show. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, iconic. So Darien Lake. She is one of- Okay. I would, I want her to go all the way. I definitely want her to be in the finals because she is one of the best lip sinkers in the history of this show. I mean, she's an assassins assassin. She's ridiculous and hilarious. And actually really kind. So fun. You know, really kind. I've met her several times at DragCon and other different events and she's, she, you know, she has her, she has some bite, but it's- She is wickedly smart and funny. Yeah, she really is. Especially when you re-watch season six, you're like, her jokes are out of the park. Her reads are like perfection. Mm-hmm. I'm excited. You have me too. I am very excited. Um, Mr. Darien Lake. Oh, what a cutie. Okay. Oh, okay. We have more queens. But first JBC. Silence, my dear. I feel like taking a break. Yum, yum, yum, yum. Want to save money on food expenses this spring? Get more bang for your bite with America's best value meal kit. Every plate is 25% cheaper girl. That's right. No hidden fees, no big old juicy sauces you don't need. They have amazing dishes and they offset 100% of their carbon footprint to your door. That's because their meals have a 31% lower carbon footprint on average. So you're not going to get a bunch of stuff that isn't recyclable. 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All you got to do is go to everyplate.com slash podcast and enter code. Dragher149. Don't make me say it again, but I will go to everyplate.com slash podcast and enter that code dragher149. That's up to $110 value mama. Bring back my break. Okay. Holy shit. You got Monica Beverly Hills coming into this workroom. Can you, did you ever think you see the day where this icon would come back to the show? I need it. New York. Season five, Trans goddess Beverly Hills. That was the beginning of something really special. I mean, you know, moments like that, they're so authentic and so iconic. There's no way she could have anticipated that it would have the lasting impact that it has had. But I mean, she was the first, she was the first queen to come out as trans on the show. Right. So technically the first like, you know, a trans queen that we knew identified as trans on the show and then look at like. So we came out during the reunion of season two. Do you remember that moment? Like, so neat came out during a reunion, but. Oh, well, that's right. That's right. It was during the reunion though. It was during the union. Yeah. Miss Monica on the show was like, I'm having a hard time. I'm trans. Mm hmm. And how, I remember how, how deeply misunderstood she was and that was at that time. And it's just a real testament to how far we've come as a culture and society and not, you know, not just globally, but even specifically within the queer community, the level of, I mean, child, we still got miles to go. Many, many dozens. We've got. But the road trip just started. Mm hmm. And it's the, you know, the fact that there's a general understanding of the spectrum gender and general, general acceptance of it in a way. We've been on the road 20 minutes and someone's like, I need to pee. And we're like, we have to keep going, bitch. Yeah. Yeah. But I love Monica Beverly Hills. I do too. It's so excited to see her return. I'm so happy she's here. And it's like, you know, through the lens of 2023, we can better understand like how like, of course, she had a hard time being her most authentic self when like, even just the conversation around the gender binary has evolved. You know what I mean? Like, we're less and less saying things like, that's clearly a man, honey. You know what I mean? Because we're like, oh, that's weird. That's like a gender shaming joke that has been a part of drag culture. But something we're moving away from as we're better trying to love people in the spectrum of gender expression. For sure. When you know better, you do better. Period. I love her. I hope she does well. And I hope she sends a bitch home. I hope she sends a big threat home because like, for some reason, if she did it, I would be like, work. I really, I really dig this entrance look as well. Oh, it is gorgeous. This girl scouts. This like multi colored rainbow delicious look. It's yeah, it's fab. It's tie dye. It's it's beautiful. Yeah, it's gorgeous. And I've seen other Girl Scout looks and I'm sorry, but this one is the one. Well, I mean, they're kind of the colors of the trans flag, right? Like when you really break it down. Yeah. It looks like there's some thoughtful badges here celebrating. I don't know exactly what that is, but it looks like it's celebrating women of color. Yeah, it's excited. I'm here for it. James Mansfield, a true blue first out, a true misunderstood queen. But she's back. She's back, baby. And she's better than ever. So is this the first queen that was the first eliminated to return to all storms? Ooh, that's a good question. That is a good question because a lot of times first, like a first eliminated like Van G has come back to season 11, but not an all stars. Has a charge out been on a season of all star season before? I don't know if they have. I don't think so. I think she may be our our our virgin. Well, mine is shangela. Mine is shangela, but does shangela count because she was first out on season two? Come on. And then she and then she appeared in every season for the rest of the history of her Grace. And again, if we're wrong, drag race fans tell us. Oh, they will. Oh, they will. They're not shy. James Mansfield, I love that she's been doing her thing. She's becoming a she's been a YouTube goddess. I do have an all her. What she does, she does wig tutorials. Is that what James is known for? Yeah, she does a lot of wig shit. Yeah. I would punch up her entrance line. I think her I think she just should have said the same entrance line of I think she said something like, Hey, they're shapeshifters. I think she just should have said that again because to me, that's iconic. It's sometimes it's really hard to be objective about your own most impactful one liner. Oh, of course. You know, that's why that's why every queen needs a friend like you motto. I know I'm going to a country writer friend. She's I hope she does really well. And again, if she sends home a huge threat, I'll laugh. I'll laugh and I'll cheer for her. Miss Alexis Michelle comes in next spring. Yes. Leather strap up the bitch looks bad. I mean, who is she now? The bitch. She thinks she is with this wig with that mug with that body. Adi. I am here for you, Alexis. I'm going to give her the mug award. I'm definitely going to give her the mug award of today for right now, this unbelievable thing, the light on the face, but yet we still see dimension. It just looks. Wow. I mean, she's a whole new girl. I God, she's just stunning and so hilarious. I love a queen who is this beautiful and that funny, you know, I mean, she was our. She was our snatch game winner of her season. Was she not? She sure was. She sure fucking was. She did Lycia. That's right. She's very multi talented. She's a Broadway bitch and she's messy. Yes. She's messy. I love that queen, don't we? I do love a messy queen. Messy yet polished. I mean, any queen that expects her, her colleagues to give her notes and help improve her look before they go on the runway and the competition they're competing in. There's any more. It's my kind of queen. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that model. I know it's good TV. She looks great. She looks again. These queens have not aged. They've been going to the right doctors. Honey, I mean, money talks. Oh my God. Jessica while. Yes. Oh my God. Welcome back. We've missed you or darling. She should have been a whole star. Sing assassin moment. Did we not? Yes. We did. She has been here. As far as I'm concerned, she should have been on All Stars one. Period. Oh yeah. I mean. She's an All Star. Maybe it's for the best. Sure. Maybe it's for the best. Yeah. You know, good things come to those who wait. Yes, that's true. She gets to be here where the budgets up. I mean, the cash prizes are happening. Exactly. Girls are actually getting the prizes they win week to week. Right. Not having to compete in pairs. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Jessica Wild built this franchise, in my opinion. Like she is one of the greatest queens to ever grace us with belly laughs. Again, from shit she didn't know was funny. Yeah. Shit, she was just saying like, I love that drink and blessing us. I mean, sometimes when English is someone's second language, it can serve for comedy gold without them having a fucking clue as to why. She's amazing. She's brilliant. She's fun. I've also met her. She's kind and funny and in on the joke and she's on the best. This RuPaul snatch game. Best RuPaul. Best RuPaul. I mean, that took some courage, honey. I mean, I know we all know that the tricks he did it and it's tricks he did it and it's been attempted. Sure. That was wild, Jessica. That was wild. She's gorgeous. I can't wait to see what insanity she does. And her look, this gold sort of like there's something zodiacish about this horned fluffed bang. She's gorgeous. Yeah, definitely. It's Disney princess meets astrological brilliance. Yes. Okay. Next we've got Jimbo. A queen you know well. A queen I know very well. Yes. You do. Yeah, I do. I mean, in and out of drag, Jimbo is, you know, not, if there's too many things to say about Jimbo, but Jimbo is one of the most fascinating and brilliant individuals that I have ever met. Yeah. His story. And this is the other thing. So weird. I remember when we were doing season one of drag race, sorry, of Canada's drag race, we would use female pronouns for all of the queens except for Jimbo. For some reason, we just always defaulted to people. So Jimbo, they are, they have one of the most fascinating life stories out of anyone that I have ever met. I actually, yeah, I interviewed Jimbo for an episode of my own podcast conversation with others. I mean, I've interviewed her several times. But she is, her life story is beyond fascinating and how she's evolved into the person she is today. It's pretty mind blowing. And this look is ridiculous. I love it. Honey, where are the seams? Where are the lines? How do you do this? I know. How do you do this? Full latex body that is neck to ankle also by like her body on the inside must be drenched. Oh, just dripping and sweeping. You must the teavas. The fucking teavas I mean. Okay. So this has been a controversy. Have you heard some of the con maybe? No, you haven't. You're on on Twitter. There's been a little bit of controversy about this look because some people feel that it is mocking the female form. Okay. That's not my experience. I think it's irreverent. I think all bodies are full of delight and silliness and I don't know. I'm of the mind of like there's joy in the human form, but some people think it's a bit misogynistic. What's your reaction to that? My reaction to the reaction is everybody's always got something to say. You can't actually use everyone. And come on, y'all. This is we're here for the fun of it. Like it's just it is just a show and drag is all about a reverence at the end of the day, right? She's wearing tevas. If right. I mean, all right. Okay. You know what I mean? I'm not going to argue with Twitter. I think if I've learned anything, it's that just let Jimbo live. All right. Let Jima live. Let her scream. I mean, yeah, I am blown away by Jimbo's talent. I think she's been a real fan favorite. Obviously, you know, everyone, you know, she got quote unquote robbed on UK versus the world. She's absolutely inspired artist. And I really I hope she goes far. But again, if anyone has a target on their back, I'm afraid she does. Sure. I'm a little hesitant to say too much. I love Jimbo. I'm like, I'm a super duper Jimbo fan. And is talented in an infinite number of ways. She's brilliant. She's so smart. She's so funny. She's so deeply acknowledged at the history of drag and clowning and blending the two together in a way that we've never seen before. She's such an advocate and real trailblazer in her own community with the House of Jimbo and Victoria. I love her. I love Columbia. She's she's fucking brilliant. And she's such a she's always like saying she's a conduit of joy. And I really love that. Yeah. Like really sending her home in the first season of Canada Drag Race was one was one of the hardest moments of the season and one, truly one of the hardest decisions that we had to make as judges. It was it was not easy. I get it. We all love her. Yeah. But it gave her an iconic moment to me that no moment is no. That was real. Top three best exits in drag race her story. Yeah. Sure. Okay. Lollary comes in and I have notes, but Lollary comes. My main note is why the fuck did she not come back in in a big pink paper bag? What was she thinking and say I'm bag. I mean, come on. This look is cute. This look is I mean, well, this look is a choice. I can't say it's cute, but it is exciting and wild and drag and definitely the eye travels with this look. The eye travels. There's chaps. There's there's there's there seems to be some crown molding. Yeah. It seems like a phoenix rising from the ashes. She's yes. She looks a little bit like a like a booth at a Mexican restaurant. I like it. It doesn't matter if I like it. Lollary went home way too soon. Like, yes, she went home completely. It was completely earned in every way because she wore one of the craziest outfits in drag race her story, but her talent is staggering. And the impact that she made the mark that she left. I mean, she she may have been there for a brief moment in the grand scheme of things, but she was she was our Miss Congeniality of the season. No. Mm hmm. I mean, for for you to make that that impression on your fellow queens in that amount of time, it speaks volumes of who she is and probably why she's back for this season. Uh huh. And out of these bitches, one of the top lip sync assassins here. I mean, I would not like to go up in a lip sync against her. No. And if she is in a position to choose if it's the thing where you pick and your lip sync and you get to choose based on you winning the lip sync, they're in trouble. They're. I'm really curious to see how they do what the formula is this season for all. I know. I know. You know, part of me really loves that they keep us guessing every year, you know, I do too. I do. I love how much they love to experiment. Like, and they trust themselves. Like, fuck it. Well, experiment. What do they got to lose? They have the viewers. They're not going to lose them. Oh, they've got us. They got us getting on to Paramount Plus. That's how much they got us. That's so real. I know. For Paramount to MTV to VH one to who to wow presents plus to who fucking cares. Whoever it is, they have us. Yeah, they have us. That's our 12 girls. Yeah. That's our 12 girls. Girls, I believe. Wow. That's incredible. You know, maybe we'll get a 13th. Maybe we'll get a surprise queen as we have. Oh, I would love that. Who would be your, if you could pick a 13th surprise, who would you pick? You know, I might choose someone. It might be a little too soon, but I might choose someone from season 15. Like I would love to see Lux or mistress up there. Yes. That would be fucking perfect. Yeah. I would love to see. Oh, there's so many girls I want to see. I do want Gottmick to come back again. Yes. They're so successful. I don't know if they're doing so well, but there are a lot of queens from early seasons. I want more of the season one representation. Truly. I just re-watch season one. I want, I do want a Rebecca Glasscock or a Jade sort of my or I know they're doing less drag in their lives, rightfully so, but like I want more attention. Nina Flowers bring Nina Flowers back. She is and give 10th poll hours. Give her flowers. She's a tent pole of the drag race community. That's all. I love it. JBC remind us where we can support you, where we can watch doogie, where else we can watch your shit. Dookie Kamehaleha is now airing on Disney Plus. We have two seasons and it's a really special show. I'm so proud of it. So heartfelt. There's a really gorgeous moral lesson at the end of every episode. What I love most about the show and filming in Hawaii and what I love so much about our goddess Sasha Colby winning is that she's the queen of Hawaii honey. Everywhere you go on the island of Oahu, everybody knows who Sasha Colby is. She is the mother and the deepest influence for so many of the trans girls, for so many of the queens on that island. She's a beautiful representation of mahu culture, mahu being the word for transgender in the Hawaiian language. It's really extraordinary. There's a real reverence and respect and love for mahu people in Hawaiian and Polynesian culture and it's existed for literal centuries and the rest of the world just needs to catch up to it. Or the rest of the modern world needs to catch up to it. Anyway, long story short, yes, you can catch me on Dewey Kamehameha and now streaming on Disney+. I haven't seen it yet, but it is like one of the most well-critically received shows, like Hands Down of the Year. Oh, that's nice. Oh, I mean, I can't browse without seeing a new critical review about how well a job it's doing of telling a story for everybody. But like you're saying, you get to play a surgeon who affirms people's genders. It sounds like it's a fucking great show and telling important stories. So go watch Dewey on Disney+. Yes. And then you can find me, I'm on Instagram, but you know, I only there every once in a while, I tend to delete the app from my phone at least once a week and take a break every once in a while because it's necessary for mental health. But I'm just at Jeffrey B Chapman. Cute. Yes. Jeffrey B where Chapman, you are a light in the darkness. You are so kind. I can't wait to see your career blow up even more. If that's possible. Yeah, I did. Oh, thank you. I feel so blessed to have been embraced by you in the way that I have been. Oh my God. You're wonderful. I just really adore and appreciate and enjoy you. I always have. I adore you. I'm going to send you some stupid stuff I'm working on. Please. Please. Read it. Yeah. Tell me if you care and then if not, no tea. But I mean, please, please, I'm holding your. I will. I will. I will. There's some dumb stuff I would love for you. I mean, in a dream world, you would be great for some of the shit I'm writing. I'll come play with you. 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