S15 - 50/50's Most Gagworthy Stars (w/ Mano Agapion & Tiger Lily)

This is a headgum original. Whoa! Rrraaaar! That's me rowing with excitement because you're listening to the one and only RuPaul's Drag Race recap podcast in the whole goddamn world. I'm so happy for you listening out there and I am Mono Agapean. Today I'm joined by a wonderful person I've just met but just I think I'm in love. It's the co-host of its giving fashion artist, costume designer and model Tiger Lily. Hi RuPaul! Oh my god, one of my producers cracked me up because she was introducing me saying, oh yeah, Tiger Lily does all the sound effects on our podcast and I was like, really? That's what I'm going to be known as the sound effect girl but because I do that. Tell me more. You mean you're just like popping in sound effects all the time? Yeah, you know that's just how I am. I'm just a silly bitch so you know sometimes you're going to add in a little sound effect. Oh I'm so stupid. You know what weird? I mean like okay I'm getting like this weird vision of like we were friends as children. I'm getting this like vision right now. Do you know what I'm saying? I could see it. Do you know what I mean? Like either we were or like we were supposed to have been or like I'm getting that energy. Okay wait what's your sign though? I'm a Virgo. Oh my mom was a Virgo, yes! I love Virgo's and I'm a legal but like I feel like a lot of things help balance me out because people hear legal and they're like oh shit yeah but no I have like a lot of other things that help balance but Virgo's I feel like Virgo's and I really get along just because we do have that yin and yang quality so maybe that's it. Yeah, oh I love it. I'm here for that and I am here to always learn because I don't you know you read the tarot so you know. Yes I do yes. You know some shit. Yeah oh my god I was reading people's cards last night. There was like a 3-3 portal that was open we got weird it was amazing. I don't know what that means. So yesterday it was March 3rd so it's 3-3 and like it was insane because all these planets were in alignment and it was like a powerful like manifestation moment so and I don't know if you felt like the energy shift and also we're heading into the spring but it was it was like a cosmic event. I felt a little weird last night. Yeah so you know I was reading people's cards and people were having fucking a oh I don't know if I could swear. No people are okay okay. So people were definitely like having their little epiphanies and I get my whole life like reading people's cards so if you ever want a card reading just shoot me a message and I can get into it with you. Okay I think I just have to I think I will have no more. Let's do it after this. Oh my god it's so nice of you to say okay we have so much to talk about we have to immediately jump on your exciting semi new podcast. You're hosting It's Giving Fashion with Shae Kool-A. Yes it is more about it. It is so fun so we have our new podcast we talk about fashion pop culture and Shae and I have been besties for a hot minute now so we just have a good old time we're just silly old sillities and we'd love to have a kiki and I mean literally it's a dream come true like I get to talk with my bestie and yeah from the comfort of my own home and just it is just such a dream like we've been having an amazing time so I can't wait to see where it takes us and you know I hope we get some cool guests on the show you know stuff like that yeah I'm sure you will I mean I am it is available anywhere you get podcasts and yeah and tell me more I haven't had the chance to listen just yet so tell me more like do you all dive into what's hot what's not like yeah so well sometimes we will do very topical events so like the Grammy's red carpet bathtas that just happen you know and then sometimes that that's saying of course I mean she's a tang. You did yeah so we'll just like stuff like that sometimes we'll break down drag race runways and sometimes we'll get we'll do a deeper dive like we'll talk about controversy and fashion like throughout the decades or like we actually just recorded like a size inclusivity podcast so that will be coming out in the future I'm not sure why but I know I know people are waiting for it just because I am like a plus size queen like I have to represent for my girls so yeah it's really fun and I love like of course I love the love and I love like the hot or not but I love the meat and potatoes of fashion because it is a cultural commentary on what's going on in the world so yeah that's where I lock in I've always been a thick girl who wants to be brave enough to wear a crop top yes I mean it's I'm the only one holding me back but it's but I'm holding me back from wearing the crop top and I totally feel that I was never a crop top girl until like the last maybe five or six years yeah it is it is a matter of knowing your proportions knowing like what works like if I'm gonna be wearing a crop top maybe a cute high-waisted slack or you know a way to style it that works for your body shape you know and also it is like a confidence factor too like you know it it's mind-blowing because a lot of like plus size models are older you know whereas like the straight size models they are on the younger side I mean some of them are as young as like 16 or 17 years old and like plus size models are kind of like late 20s you know and it it's so telling of society and like how hard it is to like get to know yourself and be comfortable in your own skin so yeah it's a journey it is a journey so I say wear the crop top yes you know the warm weather is coming up so busted out like I have no fear for summer I'm gonna have to just do my light do it and live my truth I'm trying to live my truth more and more but you know it's a journey you know just like it's a journey being like I can love my body even though my body isn't represented in porn which is like I are not often I don't know why porn for me is such a standard but I think it is correlated to my adolescence it's so telling of like what people are quote unquote attracted to and what is like the beauty standard so yeah I totally get it and like honestly it's also like the spaces you're in because I wouldn't necessarily wear a crop top going out grocery shopping you know what I mean because I don't feel comfortable necessarily it depends on the day you know but like if I'm going out to a queer club you know I'm around my people I'm at a drag event hell yeah I'll wear it you know because people are gonna be like yes it is like you look amazing and uplift you so like it's the sad reality is not everybody in the world is out here to uplift you so you just have to find your people and and honestly once you do find your people that is like when it happens you know like when you like blossom and you're like yeah look at my mid-trip bitch like uh lily branding like a tiger like a tiger little league uh tell me what is is there something in fashion that you're actually done with or done for now is there is there a generality or do you not believe in generalities like that you know like I appreciate a trend and like I think what I'm over is people just jumping on a trend just to jump on a trend like I feel like trends are not made for everybody and you know like you just have to know your body and know like what works well for you so like I like like for example like what's coming back uh low rise and mid rise pants like honey I my plus size self has been waiting our whole life my whole life to like have high rise pants available everywhere like let's always keep that an option but like let other people explore like the other rises of pants like we don't need to all go there like I'm happy in my high rise land hell yeah I love that yeah I'm I am fashion I'm not fashion um what's what I want to use knowledgeable adept I just don't have I don't I also don't have the passion for I don't that's fair that's fair but I admire people when they do because I'm like damn you really put that together you really knew that cheetah was gonna go with a pink and black boot like how did you know cheetah and leopard are gay neutral so yes it's always gonna go with everything fuck okay I I am alive I am living and I'm re-inspired to join I know my fashion journey so we're gonna kick this off let me see if I can do this correctly I'm gonna try to uh we do this little thing here where we like have a little voice call in it's our drag her cry sis hotline and I'm gonna try to share my audio with you okay so oh oh let me let me get that we might have to cut this out a bit clams we'll make a note we'll make a note how do we do this advanced sharing oh maybe that's it okay computer audio let me know if you can hear this okay can you hear that yes yes okay great so here we go we're gonna answer this question um okay uh clam I guess you can edit this or not here we go hi mona this is Noah in the hollywood I'm a huge fan of the show and listening to her for to you for four years love all your complimentary I just want to say for this season my top three are what's more London Sasha Colby and Selena S. I have a question for you that I want your thoughts on as a straight ally who loves drag race and loves you know drag culture whatnot is it okay or problematic of me that I just go all the time like I started watching drag race at season 10 I got super hooked and it's just kind of rubbed off on my personality in that way like whenever I'm shocked or goofed in gag they took all the time like in the office and maybe sometimes people give me a little weird look I don't know why you're awesome that oh and before I go I have a trinity joke here is how do you know my name's Geneva and tonight you'll be jagged on me because I need my plastic I'm a junk and either I'm plastic I'm turning it first all right bye guys that was no oh thank you for being an ally wow thank you for being an ally what a good intermember if you want to ask or ask a question or give us your hot take on drag race call us at 305-814-drag and leave a message that's 305-814-3724 okay tirelily is it problematic for a straight ally to go all the time oh I think a little bit yeah it is a little cringe I'm not gonna lie like if i thank you for giving us the truth yeah and like uh I just I'm just trying to put myself in a scenario where there are straight people which is rare um and and like and just thinking like if a if a straight ally was we were having a kiki with like you know me and my girls and a straight ally like tongue popped in front of me I would be like cringe like it would like maybe if I knew them more it would be more acceptable and I'd be like oh that shouldn't say personality but just coming into like line I would be like oh no girl no and it's also like you know like tongue pops and a lot of like drag slang is is stolen from um you know black culture yeah black culture so it's like it also like if you're you know not a melanated person doing that it makes it even more cringe so there are things that we can take from drag race and use in like our normal vernacular but it just it is a little on the cringy side so I would watch it I would watch it just like love you sis thank you for being an ally but like just be very mindful of like who you are and where these things originate from because you know we're here to teach the children this is a teaching moment like I get it it's so exciting it's like it becomes part of you because it's just you know you love the show so much and you just want to be a part of it but not everything is for you you can appreciate things and kind of leave them there and like you know applaud them when they come up but maybe that's not exactly for you you know I agree Lilly I think that's a beautiful answer I think that's a beautiful I think that's really nice yes Noah thank you for asking I think that's a really nice way to say like thank you for being here thank you for seeing us but if you are sis and het it really might be in your best interest to show your love in ways that maybe aren't let's say injecting yourself in a dialogue or injecting yourself in a dialect yeah yeah and just maybe once you know someone for a month you and and you you can do a tongue pop around them and then see see what their reaction is in in a controlled environment like if that if we were out at the bar club watching drag race then that happened I would definitely side-eye you I'm sorry I know I would also be like huh yeah this gentleman a straight or a gay um right I think you have really beautiful advice why not why not give some space to your friends who normally don't have space by letting letting letting them come to you yeah for sure good question thanks Noah thanks Noah Noah you're amazing thank you for listening and that trinity joke was great yes that was really good as you miss Trinity on our screens I miss miss her what a what a silly one she is a silly bitch god silly um so Tally how are you enjoying this season of RuPaul's Drag Race season 15 oh I'm loving this season it's just so nice to have like a current season on because it just gives me so much life and it just it is our sports you know like I really I really love like seeing the run waves and seeing this like new generation of queens isn't this like the youngest cast that we've ever had like collectively definitely so it like drag has changed so much I mean even in the span of Drag Race we're on season 15 like geez like it has just evolved and it's it's so reflective of what's going on in the world where we're you know what's happening in fashion like remember when drag was just like it was just drag it was just like people dressing up in silly costumes yeah now it's like fashion runway like so much inspiration it this was yeah it was appeared where it was just like like okay early early drag race it was it could be gorgeous giant gantic gowns and then it could also be just passing yes and now it is so much more yes yes yes yes yes I and I'm I'm thoroughly enjoying this season like I mean Sasha Colby is just giving me all the life I I love her so much and you know what else I love this season is the culture of reading I love that that's present in the workroom and that mistress is about because like obviously drag race we know the fandom is so wild and they're gonna jump on your throats and like just be on it and be like oh you're bullying you're bullying but I mean honestly reading is fundamental we say that for a reason because you have to have a thick skin when you're in drag and if you can't cut up with your sisters in the dressing room like honey you're gonna have a hard time out there because it's gonna be way worse out in the real world so camp it's big it's fun it's stupid it's also like taking the seriousness out of these insults and shit being like it actually it here's a mind fuck the rhetoric of drag is also uh showcasing that the world is drag and that like even our language can be basically uh by our design so I guess what I'm saying is it's like everything's made up including my gender revolution I know get over it I mean literally RuPaul says we're all born naked in the rest is drag like hello and there's a reason why we say all these things yeah I feel like the fandom does take things a little too seriously and this is just like I love that mistress has brought this energy in and she is just reading the girls and keeping them on their toes and there also is that shady side that more pageant culture side of drag I mean this is a pageant this is a competition so I live mistress wasn't here what would be happening number one what would this season be without mistress hello yeah she is just giving me all the life I love her and I said sorry Sasha Colby is a pink like Sasha Colby is a penguin watching the Titanic sync I mean she is hilarious relaxed she is killing literally and everyone was like oh my god I don't know oh my god and you know what it gives a call back to remember I'm Bianca del Rio season when here she was she was not bothered and we knew like I mean I knew going into this bitch is gonna win like obviously yeah and like of course they have to throw like some adversity her way you know like and it was just so whatever you know but like that is the vibes I'm getting from Sasha Colby like she is not threatened she is so sure of herself and just being a trans woman like oh I just love her commentary just even talking about how it's a blessing to even be alive as like a trans woman as a trans person like and to be a happy healthy trans TV we need more like trans success stories so I am so here for Sasha Colby being on our televisions traumas out yes you want to talk about a fashion forecast traumas out yes that doesn't mean we don't all have trauma but let us tell our stories like in a way that isn't just like I'm gay yeah yes absolutely uh what do you believe uh how do you feel about the miss spice going home and the twin curse oh yeah I you know it was definitely her time I love sugar and spice I think they are so exciting I love that they are representing this new age of like bedroom queens and like social media queens and I mean clearly these bitches know about branding and they know their audience and like yes they have their little canned bits and everything that they get read for but my god like I love watching them and they're so sweet and like uh like pure they are really pure and I honestly thought sugar went home way too early I wanted to see more of her but I get why they did that so like spice could like shine on her own and everything but I mean their makeup their looks like they're both going to be on all stars at some point and I can't wait to see like their evolution and you know give them a little more variety in their style maybe get more references because drag is all about references and the best drag queens just are incredibly intelligent and they can pull these references from like different decades different you know genres and everything and I think once both those girls get more experience life experience under their bells totally they're gonna come back and we aren't gonna be ready for them so I'm very excited to see them I agree there I could see them having so successful like launching a makeup line I don't know if they have to but like they are so talented and I could see that for them they have a following and their mugs are just stunning at such a young age and yeah I'm excited for them to become honestly ruder I feel like they're so polite in a way that's like I identify with that because I know a younger a younger me was too polite when I didn't know how to like take space yes no that's so true yeah and I and I think mistress is about like adopting both of them as like her drag daughters I think she's definitely gonna toughen them up a little bit so I live for that okay we're gonna talk about Lucy Laduka losing Lucy Laduka losing her Laduka but first Silence Tiger Lily I feel like taking a break okay this is a paid sponsorship brought to you by BetterHelp are you going up down and all 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something about her I really like and then she like blew us all away with her snatch game and I was like yes this bitch is it and like her body is right she knows like her proportion she knows her brand like and she's very it's so weird because she's so self-aware in that aspect but then she's like so I wouldn't say delusional because but like there's you have to be like a ball it's getting you have to be like a ball yeah and that's the charisma of cuz yes and she she just it's almost entitled she's just feeling like oh like she can't see other people like sell and that's really not a cute look and it's rough to watch like yeah and like this last episode like where you know she thought she was gonna like do better I'm sorry the the not this last episode well pick an episode because she thought she was gonna be doing better I know right and like I honestly live for the girls like edging on her like being like she is about to snap you know like I mean that's also like just scream either just scream or just cry because this in between is killing you and us oh yeah she's definitely trying to save face right now because she really is truly pissed and she doesn't get it and honestly I'm here for watching it unravel like not in like a malicious way but it is very entertaining like it is adding like this this undercurrent of animosity to this season which makes it so exciting to watch so hurting her like she is before the top four now I feel I feel she could go to home for the top four because now it's like there she's not giving us anything to chew or the edit is not giving us anything to chew on that's just fun likeable goofy right like a chicken do something I know and there really is you know at some point in the competition the girls are gonna be asked who should get sent home and don't you think all the girls are just gonna throw her under the bus like you need to come into this more strategically like you need to have your allies you need to have your sisters and she is not really uplifting her other sisters right now so right there that just shows you you're you're not deserving of a crown because the winner of RuPaul's drag race has to be so well-rounded likeable you know and just be there for her sisters and like how are you gonna reign over for an entire season if you're not those things you know so I feel like she really has shot herself in the foot at this point and there really is no redemption for Lucy at this point unfortunately and she and you know what she's gonna come back on on all stars as like the the villain you know and she's gonna have her moment yeah oh yeah I would love that I mean be a villain yes honestly if she just stepped her pussy up and just went full villain I would fucking live like I would be like hell yeah team Lucy let's go like yeah like that's literally her alter ego is like Lucifer like Lucifer Liduka you know like Lucifer Liduka okay okay we figured out her evolution that's yes bitch you're at level 50 go ahead and evolve baby yes yes in this poke ball no more I mean she's so talented though I want a route for her that's a thing she's so freaking talented her comedic timing and obviously she she's she's laid this interview portion like that's so her tease I could see her moving on and being like one of the red carpet girls that are interviewing people like hey what are you wearing like literally Joan River style it's like a mind fuck because she was good in this challenge yes this challenge is about being present and relaxing in the moment yeah she can't do that in the show she's on because she was on a show in a show yeah and you know like I will say like obviously she's stressed like this is an extremely extremely stressful situation and like even though it is like oh from the 90s because she is stressed and it's like you know even though it's like oh it's a new day in the workroom a new week in the workroom it's like literally the last day you know it's like the timeline is skewed so it's like I get it she's not she's just kind of crumbling under the pressure of this competition so you know yeah she really is and let's go and talk about this challenge which was full chaos in every way yes yes I think I love it but not because it was a good display of anyone's talent I think I love it because it was just when drag race is Mario Party when drag race is just chaos and no it's not merit based it's just chaos and what do you do with chaos yes this in on it this challenge threw me back to like early seasons of drag race which I love where it's just like kind of pointless but like we're long for the ride and yeah I you know like love Connie and Charo I felt we're very chaotic and I felt like Frankie Grande was definitely the easiest interviewer or interviewee like I feel like everyone who interviewed Frankie got off really easy we just may have hurt them because there may have been less to play with yeah yeah but I mean Sasha slayed the challenge like I love that she just played along just through the cards and was like all right Charo let's go yeah she handled it perfectly it was beautiful just throwing the cards go with it be stupid when Charo starts clucking cluck with her like just have to be that fun who cares yes like it's like snatch get in that way it's like snatch game like throw away what you thought you were doing and like play with that person like with Ru the people who win snatch game are the people who are playing with Ru in the moment totally yeah and like I I know for a fact they like told these interviewees like just just go nuts you know like hard for them yes love Connie was just like balls to the walls like off off her rocker and she's so funny she gets so funny but I mean how do you interview her like she like like Selena as titties like I I probably I don't know this challenge was so hard like it like like just her being able to stop somebody who's like in the middle of talking like I see her challenge and it was unfortunate honestly impor so I'm an improv geek so I'll always give the advice like when someone is going to be absurd just match them you know the police pays in a pod just match them it's like the movie dumb and dumber or Romy and Michelle's high score union yes those pairs are better comedy duos because they're doing the same stupid thing together so it's like just join in on the stupidity don't try to bring logic to the stupidity yeah and honestly that was what um Malaysia baby doll Fox she was trying to like add some reason to what was going on and yeah it was just so hard to watch her I mean she struggled so much with this challenge and you could tell she was like a shrinking violet she could just tell she was like defeated going into the challenge and it was just I and I felt so bad like honestly which is not like what you want to feel for a drag race contestant because you're like oh honey like you're in over your head and I wanted so much more for Malaysia you know like being a plus-size girl I know and I like Malaysia and I don't even know if she did the worst frankly but they were they were done with her apparently but take that bob off your head and start tossing it like a pizza dough or something let the fall on your head something stupid I don't know I think she's afraid to like just look bad you know to be stupid you know and like she clearly does take her drag very seriously and this was not a serious challenge so I mean that's where the challenge comes in you know this is so stupid we're watching right now Lux driving around with love Connie oh my god I love this with that some producer put a love Connie sticker on the front of the golf cart for some reason I was like what the fuck is happening but I had a good time yeah Lux handled it so well and she did exactly what you said like met her energy and just went with it if it wasn't Sasha that won this challenge it would have been Lux for me like she really yeah a lot of people were saying like why wasn't she placed higher or yeah yeah but god yeah I it was hard to from from my watching I was like oh yeah it's like it's Sasha and who else I guess who else it's Sasha I don't see if they were gonna go in that way but the producers knew they weren't gonna get it to Lucy yeah there was no way and like she she did receive like high praise but yeah there was just a storyline alone they're like nah Lucy's not getting it I was surprised mistress couldn't cut up or or so from what we thought like mistress wasn't comfortable kind of cutting up and talking about you know uh your pro-lapped ass and your shady cupcake and your vaginas yeah I honestly was shocked that mistress did so poorly in this challenge because you would think like she's such a hilarious bitch and like she couldn't just throw a joke I think she was just honestly so taken aback and especially if their group went first I mean they presented it first who knows if they actually filmed it first but like right you don't know what to expect you know so yeah I was I was shocked too like she I was expecting more to tell them like hey like like like your job is to make this feel like a real interview like did they is there any world where the producers were like honestly throwing them up I mean like this is a real interview make it feel like a real interview they probably did that honestly like sabotage like I mean they had cute cards like they were trying to make it like it was a very straightforward thing but right yeah sabotage sabotage I think so it's that weird thing where like the to win the challenge is actually uh by breaking the rules but only people certain people like Sasha Colby understood that or it was just like okay okay yeah this this is a trick these cards are a trick get them out of me yeah oh my god and you know what like we haven't even mentioned Marsha Marsha Marsha and I feel like that's so telling nor the show us nor the show has mentioned her which is uh frustrating because I think she's really talented I think she's super talented too and I've seen her like at her shows in New York and she is such an amazing energy such a great performer but she you know standing next to these other girls who are like drag queens you know like yeah I feel like yeah you know she does need more time to cook and marinate like I could totally see her you know it's interesting because she is like a Broadway theater kid you know and and there are so many like theater kids that end up becoming drag queens you know to get their name out there and stuff but I feel like first they're a theater kid and then they're a drag queen and then I do feel like Marsha does kind of fall in there but you know give her a couple years give her like some money to play with and get some like costumes made get like watch some youtube tutorials and get that makeup up and I she has so much potential I really don't think this is her time but you know she has done some cute things on the show you know like her her lip sync in the lot of her music yeah she's so talented her talent show was one of my favorites yes it was so good and that's why I was so excited to watch her I was like all right she may not give us like the look looks that we want but wow she can dance she's she's a visionary you know like I was excited to see what she produced but yeah it's been very lackluster on this show unfortunately and then based on this edit that I saw I would have probably put her in the bottom if for no other reason for her to do a lip sync and then I don't know see her on the television show that she's on yeah seriously she's been safe for 10 weeks is that true is she's been safe I believe or maybe she was high the first week and yeah so 10 safe for 10 weeks yeah off yeah and then you have like Selena lip syncing like every episode you know so it's like yeah I would love to see at least throw her in the box yes throw in the bottom and make her lip sync you know like let's let's see what she can do yeah she's been getting a rough edit unfortunately give her some story hot take okay now we're talking to Frankie Grande I don't believe Frankie Grande's leg blow up story yeah it was weird and then Rue was trying to set it up I wonder what the real story is there like clearly maybe they just needed to like be him an outrageous story just for I think so yeah just for the show something that was so weird and like something that no one would really question but here we are questioning it yeah I think so I think it's like because I think this whole challenge is like like we said like it's actually just giving them insanity to bounce off of and what do you do with it yeah yeah like the stretching like what the what the what the fuck is that and it's so funny that like some girls got proper set pieces like you get to drive around golf cart fun and you're walking around trailers like yeah not an even match yeah this was weird for me this was really weird so weird the steps so dumb yeah so dumb and honestly Anitra like I'm glad she's getting more airtime in the last like two episodes she has had more like love a lot more yeah no I love Anitra too and she looks so gorgeous in their little like interview part like she looks stunning and yeah and she no she it's same same and she can sew she can design like I love that I mean she's super talented professionals are natural as fuck yeah yes yes she not over produced and you know she isn't the boldest and the loudest like in the room but I like that girls like Anitra this late in the season are now getting their moment to like you know you can tell she's feeling more comfortable she's getting more confident and she's like seeing all the other girls in the room and she's like all right you know what I have a shot at this and I'm living for it oh yeah she has a huge shot at winning this whole thing I mean to me if I had to pick a top three it's what Anitra Sasha mistress oh okay I would I would throw Lux in the mix too I mean that would be an amazing top four yeah she's she's my wild card for sure I know she is like a low key baby queen but I could amazing yeah she is amazing and she's so funny oh my god I love all her like I look I live for her in the mirror just being like god I'm gorgeous you know just like and it's so genuine and I'm like it's just so joyful and you know I live for that it reminds me of Naomi Smalls in a sense you know because it's like young absolutely fucking stunning yeah she's inspired and they only become more of a monster but she could win this season I mean I wouldn't rule it out I mean I don't think she's gonna beat Sasha Colby but I got your question who knows is Sasha Colby too like okay okay we all know that winning too many challenges sometimes is bad luck on a seriously show yeah you're a amazing co you're amazing co-host I know Shay Koolay knows that too well she knows yeah is winning too many times gonna hurt the story the underdog of it all see and that's where yeah I think in the next upcoming weeks we are gonna see Sasha face some adversity whether that be produced or not maybe they purposely will like what challenges have we not had yet like a musical or like a live singing oh no we did have a live singing challenge kind of right well it wasn't live but it was like next week okay it sounds like you know and well I guess we'll see how she does I don't necessarily think Sasha is going to be the top of the top when it comes to a roast I feel like that is probably I think that's probably gonna be Lucy or Mistress's week to take care you know and maybe that's when Sasha's gonna face her adversity and she's gonna have to lip sing for her life or something I just I just know like Sasha's record has been too good and I totally agree with you like she needs like a little need some lows yeah she needs some lows just to secure her crown and let's see her lip sync because the the bitch is sending somebody home yes oh my god the hair tosses I'm so glad they did the the lala perusa smacked down because I've been waiting to see Sasha oh my god I'm gonna in that ponytail oh god also doing a ponytail and not being messy with it I was like god that is some pro shit yeah prediction next week a nicha and Sasha are in the bottom and they both stay that's my prediction oh I would love that oh I want to see it we why not we have I mean they're a stunning they're so good at lip syncing why not and I don't know I don't know if they'll be able to stand up in a roast situation I could be wrong you know what part of me thinks like a nicha is gonna slay at the roast like I don't know of that I could see it like she's just been waiting all season like it's been a hot minute since she's like been on top like that so like yeah I could see it for her I'm manifesting it for her let's let's manifest it and while we're at it let us take another break bring back my break we are now here at the main stage we're gonna talk these looks including RuPaul's main stage look what did you think um you know it wasn't the most exciting look for me I think she looks I think she looks beautiful it is a little on the safe side for Mamma Ru it's the hair the hair was not it for me the hair looks like a little undone like I kind of wish it was either bigger on top or had more of a triangle shape to the bottom because it's it's not giving or maybe the neckline needs to be like more of an off the shoulder or something yeah it it was not my favorite because sometimes when Ru comes out I'm screaming I'm like yeah like oh my god you know because her beauty is just I mean it's not like she looks bad by any means I mean she looks she looks she she still looks stunning but it's not my favorite Ru look but she you know she has she has been switching it up a lot this season giving us different silhouette showing us more leg which I appreciate I do appreciate that and um I like it I definitely like it but you're right it's not breaking ground but I mean I don't know I kind of like it like the hair I like the flowers it's you know she never she never looks bad yeah she never looks bad and I don't know maybe if the silver was like a more brilliant like I mean it is shining right there uh-huh you know maybe yeah yeah it wasn't it wasn't bad silhouette it's just like yeah that's a very classic yeah it's giving me very like Vanna White's silhouette you know like very very classic classic yeah I before I forget T.S. Madison and Michelle looks stunning as well but before I forget can we quickly talk before we get to these runway looks we talk about the Sasha Fierce the Sasha Fierce oh yeah I could see it origin story I could see it but I really lived doing mistress said I don't know about that sis like sounds like a fairy tale or whatever she said yeah just again it's like who cares again we're talking about how drag is part of our language it's like either way you hit the nail on the head with what someone is thinking as stunning as Sasha Colby is I was thinking I don't know about that sis yeah I mean I love like the dilution I don't I mean it could be but it most likely is not but I mean I like I live like I live for her sharing that little tidbit and shouting out Beyonce who knows maybe Beyonce will bring her on tour and like Sasha will have her moment because Sasha has a lot of Beyonce in her routines and unbelievably good at Beyonce which is a very hard artist to lip and do justice to absolutely so yeah I would live for Sasha Colby Beyonce meet up sometime and yeah I'd get my whole life I think it's gonna happen yes I think it's gonna happen so let's chirp and burp these look I'm so glad you're here as a fashion expert if we like a look we chirp it and if we're like not as in love we'll burp it okay because we're the only drag race podcast available so it's in front of you do this yes yes not a thousand Beyonce's let's talk Luxe New R London oh that's a chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp it's gorgeous it's stunning apparently it's a root you know Ruis worn either this exact Bob Mackie look or a version of this Bob Mackie look yeah I I feel like when you reference Bob Mackie in front of RuPaul it's always gonna be a chirp because Ruis of era of drag and opulence and Bob Mackie is like opulence opulence and Bob Mackie is like everything that's it keep going yeah you know like Bob Mackie is like truly like daddy when it comes to like stage costumes and you know he is he's unbelievable yeah he designed for fucking Barbie bitch yes and I mean shared Diana Ross like all the greats and I think she looks fabulous I mean she's really working it I mean the colors are great on her you know she's she just turned it I mean Luxe is always gonna deliver on a runway yeah she's always looked amazing the makeup is gorgeous the hair is gorgeous yes it's a chirp and she knows it that's a thing she knows it you can tell that little wink she's like I know I'm that bitch she's like in this moment Luxe was Beyonce so I love that for her go Luxe and have your moment yes have your moment yes it was a chirp oh my god mr. Isabelle Brooks shut the fuck up I was screaming when I saw this like this is drag honey this is a drag giving us the Destiny child puppets on her shoulder while also looking absolutely stunning you better fucking work oh that green eye on her holy shit she looks so good like honestly the muppet puppets chirp chirp chirp like she really did that and it's so weird it's so weird and bizarre like if we saw this and didn't know it was a bp on say runway would we love it probably not like fashion wise eh you know but the the um just the the thought behind it the story behind it is so good and so stupid like so why not let her lip sync it like she had the puppets she we knew she was gonna give us a show we knew we were gonna laugh why not let her lip sync right and I would have lived if she did lip sync and then she could like control the puppets too where they like you know had a little automation in there where she could like pull them and they'd be like yap into like that would have been sickening so miss opportunity there missed opportunity production um it is such a chirp ever jesus Christ this green look okay Selena estiti is giving oh i'm honestly golden globes i mean yeah that was cute that was cute this is a chirp for me i think she looks beautiful i mean you know it's interesting when they do these night of a thousand insert diva name here because like girls will get red for doing like their own interpretation on looks you know when it's not like an exact replica so i feel like the girls this time around really did try to just like exactly emulate you know what the look right right i mean she literally is wearing the exact same dress that biancé is wearing she looks stunning gorgeous yes i love the twist with the chia pets with rupaul i clocked that too i was like those are those are the chia heads i clocked that too yes and like the hair i love that you know she made the hair bigger and more drag than what biancé's was i think she looks great like this she looks wonderful this may be the best Selena has looked on the right yeah she's her proportions are wonderful yes yes and honestly that's the biggest problem that i've had with previous runways even though Selena has great ideas she doesn't really know her proportions just yet and i feel like because of her her persona being like you know like like a chola easter leg girl you know like she she kind of strays away from glamour but when she does glamour she does it so well so i hope that she sees this and is like holy shit i am that bitch and i hope this can help her bring more of this like high drag into her i bet yeah i bet because i mean you know there's just there's no way to prepare yourself to see yourself on 4k like on tv then to be on tv totally yeah trip for sure so kobe oh yeah this was a trip to i mean a tiny body yada yada yada yes i love how she was like i'm serving body because i'm the only one who can and i was like fuck bitch yes you better let them know yeah she let them know she's like this i mean she literally looks just like Beyonce you know so i don't know it is it is like like what i was just talking about you know your interpretation of the diva versus an exact replica so like yeah this is like an exact replica also controversial take is Sasha kobe bringing back hard front wigs uh because i'm here for it i love i she's proving you can wear a hard front you know what though but she also has hair like she has longer hair so she can like do these styles and style them in a different way not all the queens have like long hair that you can snatch back but that's funny she's a queen for the people she said drag is for everybody there you go we're not throwing away our hard fronts because they're beautiful and we're gonna use them um it's a chirp for sure yeah definitely uh unbelievable and the dance moves on top of that okay marcia marcia marcia what do you think oh god okay so green and maroon number one i thought this was such a weird Beyonce look to pick it is such a weird look like a weird look like a one up runway i mean Beyonce like yes of course she looks gorgeous but like you know marcia she picked a darker green like if it if it was like a brighter green like how Beyonce's original dress was it would make more sense to me it reminds me of win Heidi everyone Heidi was like here's a look that michelle visage war her on the set of her british movie and it's like sure sure that is a thing she has worn before but why yeah it was just such a weird choice from the bat like why not give us a music video look something that everyone has seen something that is referenced again in pop culture so just off the bat it was a a burp like because like it was not yeah yeah why didn't anyone do run the world i think run the world is one of my favorite looks of hers that like post-apokalaki yeah there's look like it's beyond say you have so much to choose from and you could choose the title red carpet who even has title who has title no one no one ever so like yeah this was just i feel like she was just doomed from the get-go and and like why is the green such a sad green it is a matte it is yeah it's not good it's like an evergreen instead of being like a bright beautiful emerald green and they called her safe i'm oh i'm confused why did they call her safe when we got nothing in the challenge and this was like yeah if that's a storyline thing for sure like yeah she she should have been in the bottom for this like you know i will say she her her makeup is looking better it is looking more like more effort has been put in and everything sure you know she was really living for her hair i'm not like in love with her hair but it's it's fine you know it's fine but that's not a burp it to be mean yeah i yeah yeah let's burp that one okay wonderful a meetra on the run tour sort of a gold mini with a giant purple cloak what do you think i'm gonna do is i'm gonna do a soft burp on this one not a hard burp um like obviously we know the reference like she she is definitely serving Beyonce at the drag brunch um yeah you know and like Beyonce's look of this is so expensive and so encrusted with like jewels and and stones and i mean like clearly a nietra is wearing a bodycon dress that has like little sparkles on it it was just not it for me i mean she was definitely serving it she was trying to work that cape and everything and i applaud her for that but it was not giving me an angel stopping it was not and it's like this was such an iconic look so there's no reason why it shouldn't have been Beyonce but yeah it was not it was not i can't believe people didn't pick more funny early destiny child looks like i would have picked more of those funny like denim criss cross tina knolls originals like why the hell no i wouldn't definitely gone for a tina knolls original how funny because then you get funny points too but this unfortunately has to stand up against a garment which clearly costs the rice the amount this yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure yes soft burp sorry bit yeah just a little burp Malaysia baby dol fox okay like this i like this i do like this i think she looks really good i love the hair on her and like yeah the hair is giving me Beyonce it's giving me like triple stacked human hair like the makeup yeah i mean she looks beautiful i wish the crotch was tighter not gonna lie there's there's some space there's yeah there's some space and you also see her panty in the back do you see that like why not give us more cheek girl like i want to see those cheeks like yeah you know like yeah like i wouldn't say this is a soft trip for me um yeah she like i see the reference she's definitely giving me Beyonce like if i saw this at a drag show i would be screaming my face off because we know what she's serving like like literally i think the hair is really what saves it for me like yeah yeah but the the fit issues you know and it it is hard like being a big girl in padding wearing a lea tard you know like there are definitely things that i yeah challenges that i'm willing to give you a lot of credit for um but overall like yeah i would stop definitely chirp her but it's a softer chirp than previous chirp i agree it it's still like excited fundamentally excited me yes yes the energy was Beyonce for sure yes i'm sorry i just got a little sneak peek of lucy leduka doing the pregnancy reveal from love on top yeah um should we pray would you i think we should pray they wish to take a break to pray yeah i don't know okay talk to me diva talk to me i don't know what i don't know okay you know you know where it loses itself for me like this is a hard silhouette because lucy is always gonna want to serve you her classic lucy leduka body she wants to serve you our glass and like obviously look at Beyonce like hers was so high-waisted like clearly pregnant and lucy wasn't giving us like pregnant fantasy i don't know like it was just off for me the waist was too nipped like it just i don't know it was not it is not exciting to me like i was like the hair the pregnancy bump is too small yeah yeah i agree in the in her hair and makeup was not um it for me also in the the judges were praising her for this and i was like uh like yeah this was a burp for me it's a burp dog yeah i mean just like biancé's actual pregnancy belly this is fake as fuck um yeah this was rough but you know what let me say like props to rupaul's drag race for finally like doing um a woman of color a black queen you know for um this night of a thousand right there's been a lot of white because yes there's been like dally parton madonna like who else have bana oh yeah that is so random um but like you know that that has been something that the girl yeah that that's been something that the girls have like wanted you know like why does it always have to be a white queen so like i don't know maybe lucy was having a challenge presenting a black queen you know the the iconogor the iconography of a black queen you know being a white drag queen so it's there's that but yeah funny why not pick something funny like it was a weird choice yeah she had so much to choose from she had so much to choose from yeah i would even do i don't know it would even be more funny to be like oh i'm gonna do the look she did when she was on the tire show and taro is asking her sleigh on seynolds and she she was confused yeah or like a movie character she played she could have foxy klea patra yeah well that wouldn't that would have been problematic with like the afro but if she was able to do it in a way but you know what i mean like um what is that other movie that she was in where she was like the the estranged wife and like enough was that enough yeah she could have came yeah no whatever you guys know what we're talking about if she came like in like a boxer fighting look and like did a campy spin on it or something yeah i don't know there's just so many the choice was weird it was a weird choice for Beyonce it was very weird so that's a burp a last that's a burp and Sasha wins fine by me i love Sasha sure what to me i don't know who else would have won or based on the footage they showed me right um but i would have picked a totally different bottom for sure probably yeah it would have been marcia mistress and let mistress send marcia home that would that's just me uh i think malaysia definitely did worse than mistress for me so it would have it would have been malaysia and marcia for me in the bottom and then marcia send malaysia home you know and get marcia that moment because selena has been lip syncing for her life like give the girl a break she didn't do as bad as some of the other girls and i feel like selena's runway like does runway count for anything anymore selena's runway it was definitely better than marcia's i don't think runway counts which is unfortunate i wish it did more yeah same so it's it's based on the story they want to tell and again when they ask malaysia like what's going on with you just like when robin said i like being safe don't say that oh my god either cry or say i will be crazy from now on or start a fight do something for production you know these girls are just so like so adamant about what they're giving the producers you know they don't want to be portrayed a certain way so that they'd rather shut down than give them anything that could possibly make them look bad and that's such a disservice honestly just be yourself like i i agree i wish she would have cried or something not like in a weird way but like you know like show us something give us something where's the passion honey yeah diva uh i got so we're at the lip sync single ladies hard song i would say to lip yes and i mean selena was giving us straight music video choreo which i was living for i was living but isn't that a gamble because sometimes they hate that sometimes they hate when you give the music video that's true she really did give straight up music video the whole time it wasn't just like a little interjection you know right i think she did it but she did put her selena's titties stank on it though i like i think selena was a clear winner on this lip sync like there is no like if answer buts about it and my eyes kept going to her for sure yeah malaysia at least malaysia looks beautiful i always like and like if you're gonna go out at least go out looking gorgeous and yeah this hair is gorgeous you know yeah she's still a rude girl i even heard some people saying like send them both home which i don't i don't necessarily agree with but i'm gonna give some space to someone who felt that way yeah um i i i do i mean i've seen selena perform live and i just i guess it's not i guess frustrating is a word because i mean she's doing well enough but as someone who's seen her burn a building down it is interesting and maybe even it is frustrating that like maybe we haven't but i haven't seen that perfectly translate to the show of drag race but i guess drag race is its own beast yeah i mean she is very lovable though like i find myself just rooting for her so hard so i'm just like i don't think she's gonna make it to like the top four or anything but like yeah i she's just got such a good heart and her confessionals are so good she really is gives great sound bites so like i see why like the producers want to keep her around more like i get why she's still here i don't think it was a double elimination i don't think that was the tea on this lip sync but yeah i'm glad she won i enjoy selena and i guess if she's the lip sync assassin of the season so be it right so be it um i have be excited to see if she has a breakthrough i hope she slays the roast challenge i think she will i think this is like her challenge to do really well on honestly she hasn't won anything yet like fuck uh uh alas malaise goes home um uh man and um this is uh uh everyone's going home this this year i think we're not no it might be zero saves it might be zero saves all the way up to the end i can see that i can see that i mean this is such a large cast when it was a six sixteen girls to start with i don't think we're getting any saves this season unless they it's unless it's unavoidable i don't really see it happening but yeah yeah unless unless it's huge front runners in the lip sync which is like okay like again like i said if it's a nichosasha it's like duh if it's misdress sasha duh like they'll save a bow for sure i mean maybe i could see like when they get to the top like top five to top four i could see them say like oh no i'm sorry top four to top three i could see them doing a double save just for you know they've been doing a lot of like top four finales you know so i could see them doing that yeah yeah and they did top five last year mhm leisha goes home before marcia huh yeah that's not fair choices yeah yeah i agree i totally agree i yeah choices i'm like just confused by the storytelling but such is drag race they keep us 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it helped you i think that i found it in a time where people were being the best versions of themselves and that's was a such a blessing you know to find other people other parents that have shared that same loss when you are going through something that traumatic you really do feel like no one's ever felt this pain before i'm michael you're daylup we're doing it for me drag falls somewhere in between an artistic practice and identity and it's very much intertwined with who i am so the art that i make utilizes drag but i would say that drag itself is very much just a part of who i am and it's what i use to do this art and that's also one of the great things about the medium i work in is that nobody has to know how personal it is because my drag character is not me that's a beautiful wise answer to that question folks with schizophrenia i think it always seems like otherworldly but i'm constantly surprised by how much my mom's been the truth teller of so many things it was the weirdest 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