UK S5 - Meet The Queens (w/ Mano Agapion & Jackie Cox)

This is a head gum original. It's still a lot to throw, some shade geeky with thick gaze. It's time to draw. I come, time to draw. I come, try again. Oh! Peep-a-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-da-da-da-da-da! How, hey, hey, that's actually the new Betz Little Sneak Peak of the latest RuPaul song from her new album. I have to release albums or else Drag Race can't happen. I'm Anno Gapian, you're listening to the one and only RuPaul's Drag Race Recap podcast in the whole fucking world. Oh my God, and I am over the moon to have a returning guest, a Drag Race icon, a Drag Race master diva, a Drag Race legend in the pantheon of Drag Race legends. It's the one and only, Meena superstar. Salam, Jackie Cox. Salam Anno June. Yeah, yeah, Drag Race participant for sure. I have to tell you, so it's so funny because I literally bumped into you in Amsterdam, which is so stupid to say out loud. Amsterdam. We literally with, I was with Nicole, of course, and Nicole was like, that's Jackie Cox. And I was like, what are you talking about? And that's just like, I think, wasn't Nicole just like, hi, hi, Jackie. Yeah, she was like, hi. I was literally traipsing around Amsterdam. I just got off to back to back Euro Cruises. I was doing my little stick on. Fun. And yeah, you caught me on my days off. And then, yeah, it was pride in Amsterdam, which I'd never been, I'd never been to Amsterdam at all, but there's pride, which was like, these people, let me tell you, what I love about Amsterdam, they're like, the weather horrible. The streets, they're just rivers, there's no cars. You just have to walk everywhere. But these people are the happiest people, or maybe just because it was pride. I was like, every, every person I met at Amsterdam was like, just so nice and so happy. I was like, is this what it's like all the time? Just everyone's so nice. It was amazing. I'm with you. It was so great. My splashy headline for Amsterdam is, throw away all the other European cities. I think Amsterdam is the best. No, they also throw in charts. Don't lie to me. No. I'm sorry. I will say it was really great. And I feel like I told you I was going to some club or whatever that night. I, my friends ended up going, but they got in line at like 10 or 10 30 or whatever. And I was like, OK, well, let me know how it is. I'll come meet you guys. And by 11 30, they were still hell- Hell no. I think at 12 30, they were still in. So I just ended up, my friend Kelly, who was an amazing photographer, slash lesbian queer woman, queer person, was like, let's just hang out, and we just wandered around because they had all these little street things set up. Yes, that was the most fun thing. And I was like, we can just walk around, drink in Dutch beer. Yes. Not waiting in any lines. And just, and that's what we did. We didn't do any of the, I guess, whatever a fancy, pride thing, but we just did that, which was so fun. I went to this other thing that was actually, that was supposed to be cool, but wasn't. I went to this like drag event where Black Peppa was performing in Black Peppa's unbelievable and talented and amazing. Right. But it was it was, it was one of those things where it was like the building was cooler than the party. So because it was like on a rooftop, and the rooftop was amazing and cool, but the party in actuality was cramped and hot and sweaty. We can't win with some of these pride events, but having said that, Pride and Amsterdam was unbelievable and I'm absolutely going back. Yeah, for sure we'd love to go back, shout out to Outbound, which took me so long. Hell yeah. Can I tell you I also? Wait, shout out to Outbound. I was like, they're not a sponsor of the bond. I shout out to Outbound. I have to tell you, I also went to, there was a nasty filthy little gay bar. I went to called Dirty Dicks. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard about this. I heard about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't go inside. I misread the room. I just thought it was just a gay bar and I went in and I was like, oh mama, this is not just a gay bar. This is a glory hole, swing, dark room kind of situation. And praise be, I love how sex positive they are in Amsterdam. So sex positive. It's so cool how they're somehow incredibly, they're so sinful and they're so peaceful. I feel like I admire that. Peaceful and then also like as they walk, in their day-to-day lives in the daytime, like it's like a city of very clean cut people. Like no one has like, I feel like in New York, people are walking around like, look at my cool outfit. Amsterdam, they're like, yeah, wearing some jeans and khakis. And then later I may go to the dark room. Yes. It's called Dirty Dicks. Yes. You never know. I was like old gay people too. Old, that was the thing for me. I was like, fuck yes, I guess I was like old gay couples and I was like, this is for me. I love seeing like and truly it wasn't just like gay male. I enjoyed seeing like there was like queer gender spectrums which is not always true in a gay space or gay city. Yeah, yeah, no, totally. I mean, I love seeing all of it. It was super. It's amazing. It's so opening and especially because I was, you know, the crews I was on, we weren't going to like, especially gay places. We were going up the, this one was up the Rhine River. So we started in Switzerland and then we were in like, Basel and then like, I don't know, like, Strasbourg and then Cologne and a few places like up the Rhine which aren't like, especially gay when it's not pride. But once we got to Amsterdam, I was like, gay. Yes. Everything was rainbows and did you see that parade on the water with that person in the jet pack? Yes, it's fucking amazing. I love Amsterdam. I will go back for pride. So horny. So, and I have to, even in dirty dicks, when I was dare I say ruining the vibe. Cause, you know, dirty dicks, what I found out was it's like, you know, it's like a very like, cruzy place. And I was there talking like this. You know, I was there being like, sure. I was like, what kind of dick you looking for? And I was kind of ruining the vibe in there. But even there. Yeah, I've read studies, studies. I've read about me. Pieces. No, about like men, like men, only spaces. But I think dirty dicks is something in only space. Which is, I think, you know, we can have different spaces for different folks. But something is like the silence of cruising is apparently something that's like, has been thought about and or people have written about it. Like, it's, it's like something that happens with like, body language and facial expressions. It's ding. And so, yeah, you talking a lot probably did ruin it totally. It did, totally ruined it. You're like, hey girl, I literally was like, he goes, but here's what I will say. Cause I agree. Like, I love the silence of cruising spaces. I'm not here to denigrate that. But I also have to say like, on the flip side is like, I, how do I put this? I was everyone's best or worst friend. Cause there were some people there who were, and we've all been there struggling in the decorum of that space who on in Frank, like, not to sound like I'm a saint, but like, who I was a lifeline for. There were people there who were struggling to be like, what am I doing here? I'm not getting feedback from these other naked gay men. And I tend to flock to those people because I'm like, I relate to those people. So I was, it sounds silly, but I was there being like, I'm gonna talk to you like a person and not just like, Oh, I mean, my favorite kind of bar is a bar you can talk about. Like, I mean, that's part of why I love New York. Cause most of the bars in New York are not clubs. Like, people come from all over the world. Like, oh, New York must have the best clubs. And I'm like, I don't think so. I think New York has the best bars because New Yorkers are talkative. So you go to a bar and you talk to it. You go to Baracuda. New Yorkers are also like, and you can talk totally. I mean, any of them, any of them are part of this. When's the last time you've been in Hell's Kitchen, there's like literally 10 new gay bars in Hell's Kitchen. And like, all of them have like a great vibe for just like striking up a conversation with the person you're next to, but that is not what like a cruising space is. Yeah. That is, that is not. It's not what that is. It's not the main. No. That's the main vibe. But I'm gonna work on it. Those little beer things that Kelly and I were walking around on, I was like, this is the perfect place. I struck up a conversation with some Dutch folks, you know. I'm gonna work on my glare. I'm gonna work on my cruising glare. Just. Baby, you either got it or you do it. Hey, wait, how about this? It's like comedy. You know what I mean? It's like, it can't be taught. It has to be in you. But look, look, I'm sure you can have all the success in all sorts of spaces. Oh yeah. I'm not worried about it. You know, there's some people who are looking for that plucky, plucky bottom with a goofy vibe. Please tell me that that is what's on your profile. Plucky bottom with a goofy vibe. It does just make me sound like a dog's like squeak toy. Like, you'll just put it in me and I'm just like, which, hey, you know, if the, if the dog toy fits, you must quit. I like to go for it. You. Jackie, tell me more about your life. You're touring right now. I'm so glad you're back on our stupid podcast. You're touring right now. And where is your post drag race life taking you these days? It's literally all over the place. I've been very lucky and then I've gotten to diversify in really cool new ways. Last year, I did a bunch of theater and then this year, I'm doing like a lot of random places, going places I never been before, meeting people. And then a lot of places I went to in the last couple of years were like, wait, you were so much fun and come back. So I've been lucky enough to go back to like some cool places, which has been really fun. And, you know, what's interesting about this summer was I was hoping to do a little more film and television. But as we know, there is a strike happening and we are sag after strong. But one of the projects that got paused that I was gonna work on just got the waver with this whole indie thing. So I'm gonna be going to film that in October. And then this winter season, soon TBA will be a fabulous enterprise where you can see me and one of my drag race sisters, perhaps in a city near you. Okay, we'll stay tuned to that. I can't wait to see that. Stay tuned, that was your tease. That's a good tease. I have always, I need to, I'm gonna pitch this to you and I need a couple others. But like me and Nicole Byer have always been like, I want to do, I selfishly want to, we want to do like an improv show with drag queens. And I know you've done improv. I want to do it. I want to do it. I want to do it. We check about like what I was teaching Heidi, what the rules of improv were. Yes. When you're improv. Yes. Which I so fucking appreciate as an imp, I'm an improbner, not you. I'm an improbner, but it is so refreshing to have someone who's like, no, like do this as opposed to those episodes of drag race where someone's like, you know, being like, I think what would be good is if we get in a fight and disagree a lot, you know, and be like, oh my God. No. I never thought that, I was, I don't know if this is true or not, but I think the other girls in my season would agree that I kind of was like, as the oldest, I was very much like, this is what we're going to do. No one's going to get in horrible, petty fights. We're going to be good sisters. We're going to talk out disagreements. I want to do a drag queen's improv show, is all I'm saying. I want to do it. Let's do it. Zipzapsop. Zipzapsop. I want to do drag queens improvising. I think it would be so dumb and fun. I don't think anyone has to be in drag. I think it would just be fun. I haven't done, I haven't done like proper improv since high school. So I'm, I'm ready to do it. It's so fun. And we'll take it in comedy sports in high school. Love. Did you ever do comedy sports? I did it in college, all of it. We should do, we should do comedy sports or whatever are I love it. I love it. Oh my God. You know what? You know what, we're rich. We're rich. I bet between me, you and Nicole, we can pay for the license. Do we? You'd be surprised. You'd be surprised. No, I will do short form. Just blind line with each drag queens improvising with blind line. Do you remember that one where it's just like, they just like get the audience to write slips, they get them to write little pieces of dialogue on the floor. And as you do an improv scene, you pick it up and say it. Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I remember this the best. I remember Groner Fowls when the jokes were really bad, which I would, baby, I was the queen of Groner Fowls. Me too. Are you ready for some of these bad jokes? I would be too vulgar. I would get a brown bagfowl, you know? Like if you cuss, you got a brown bag. No, mono. It's bad. We got to get those corporate sponsors, mono. I mean, it's going to pay for this. Thank you, rocket money. Jackie. Jackie, we're going to talk, what is it like watching drag queens proliferate all around you and multiply like a gremlin that has water poured upon it? What is it like? Yeah, people, this is crazy because I think season 12 was the last drag race America season that kind of existed in isolation. There had been one season of drag race UK before. But that was it. Nothing aired during our season. Like our season kind of still aired by itself. Yes. And then after that, literally five international franchises premiered that same year. And then now, I think there's like 10 or something. It's wild. So what it's like is I have no idea what's going on in any of the international franchises because between all stars and regular. Yeah, regular. That's enough. And all stars and drag race America, it's so much. So I'll be honest, I did not watch UK series four. I did not watch Canada series three. Like I am behind. That's fine. I'm behind. That is a completely normal. I want drag race to have all the success in the world. But we just can't be expected to watch every iteration anymore. And there was a period where I tried to do that. That's OK. That's OK. I think I think there's, you know, how exciting for all of these different countries to get to have their own drag race. I do need to watch UK and Canada, because I do tour there a lot more than other places. So it's on my list. Yeah. It's on my list. They're delightful. I love UK. I love drag race UK season four. I love all of them. And I genuinely find, as we'll say, we'll find out when we talk about these girls. The sense of humor with the UK girls is almost always more impressive. I don't know why. You know what? I have this theory. Talk to me. I don't know if it's true or not, but I think as Americans, I don't know, you know, I'm Canadian, but I live in the US most of my life. But as people who live here in North America, I should say, we are just bewitched and enchanted by UK accents, all of them. This is why we think UK actors are better. This is why we think UK drag queens are better. And maybe they are, but I'll never know, because when someone says something in some kind of UK accent, I'm like, yes. Yeah. That's it. That's what this was missing. That's fucking fine. So I don't... I'm with you that I can't tell if they're a bad actor when they're British. Can't not tell. Could it impossible to tell? I can't tell. I was watching Red, White, and Royal Blue, because I had that girl. My husband is a obsessed. I read the whole book. Yeah, I read the book, and I was like, the book is so cute. It's so such a sweet fantasy and truly a fantasy. So I watched the movie, and I was like, it feels like the British one is a better actor, but I don't know if that's just because of the accent. Yeah. Look, I can't, because they're saying the same dialogue, you know, and it's not like it's Shakespeare, but I really enjoyed it. And I was like, I feel like I like the British one more, but is it just because he's British? Like, what's happening? What's wrong with me? Like, no, I'm with you. I am bewitched by so many Brits. So I hear you. I am, and even just watching this, I was like, I was like, oh, I'm gonna try to attempt to place where these girls, which of these girls will place where as we do sometimes on this podcast, but I was like, oh my God, I think I love all of them. I'm like, truly, I think they're all adorable. And literally like, in this Meet the Queens, like every single one of them made me laugh, like a genuine laugh at least once, and that never happens in a Meet the Queens. Oh, like, that never happens. This was a very tight, I will say, this was a very tight meet the Queens. Yes. Yes. You know, ours were at least like five or six minutes each. These were like a minute and a half each. So it's like, you know, they consolidate it. Yeah, it's probably for the best. It just, it like makes the Queens, you know, brevitys the, what does it say? It's brevity, the soul of comedy, or the soul of wit. The soul of wit. Okay, thank you. But yeah, sometimes a nice little brief moment can make it tasty. And sometimes they ask, and you fucking ridiculous questions, like, which pie do you think tastes the most yummy? And you're like, I don't wanna answer this question. Oh, yeah, they asked us a bunch of like silly, I mean, they asked us, I will say, this meet the Queens overall as a, as a, I don't know if this is a good or bad thing. I have much less of a sense of what, how these Queens do in the competition. That's true, because it was all just kind of like, this is who I am, this is where I'm from. This is what I'm good at. True. It was all that quick. Truly. Well, let's start by talking about Tamara Thomas, who's our squawk box. She's a shoregale. She's from Hartlepool. She's mentally unwell, and I adore her. Yeah, like an actual, like, amazing mazy from Susa Cole. Like, what is, like, it's very that vibe, but like, the shape, like, her mouth. I think flamingo. Yes. I'm obsessed. I love it. Well, what I love about the UK is they said, you know what, we're gonna take the word filler literally. We will plump our lips as far as they'll go. Yes. These are, these girls walk in with All-Star's lips. It's incredible. Yes. I'm gagged and supportive of it. I am too. I mean, you walk, it's incredible. And it's culturally significant. It is culturally significant, because I, here I used to think that Americans were, you know, like the, the stain upon the globe. And then you meet lovely people from the UK who are just as entrenched in trash culture. And it makes me feel seen. Yeah. Yeah. I also, I don't know what their prompt was for this. Meet the Queen's, like, what their outfit prompt was. But obviously, the background is like, you know, crunchy mylar. And she went, crunchy mylar in the back, crunchy mylar on my outfit. She was like, I'm doing all of it. I think their prompt was quality, you know, the quality street tin of chocolates. I think the prompt was like, oh, right. I see, right, because she opens the box, RuPaul if it's the beginning, and it's like the mylar candy. Yes. I think that's kind of the overall idea and some girls went to it harder than others. I think, but either way, Tamara Thomas does look like a piece of candy and it's an amazing look. It's a chirp, for sure. I'm going to place her in the top. I think I could see her going all the way to top four. I could see her entertaining rue a lot, because that's what I'm always thinking about. It's like, who are the girls that Ru is going to get a kick out of it? I think Ru will just love how off the wall she is. Yes. And just for fun, I'll peg her in a chippery. We're going peg her in a chippery. What does that mean? It's just, on this podcast, we usually peg them and peg them. So I peg her in the top four and I'll peg her in a chippery, like a fish and chippery. Oh, like, you would see her in the chippery? Like, I would sexually peg her in a chippery. Sure. You know, with sent me this thing is possible. Hey, this thing. And we're going to talk more about our friend Alaska. I absolutely, I mean, truly consent is iconic and I appreciate consent just as much as Alaska does. Let's get, we're going to, first, we're going to talk more of these queens, but first, silence Jackie Cox. I feel like taking a break. Take it. Bring back my break. We're pegging these queens. I've fully confused Jackie. It was delightful. Let's talk about Naomi. You know, the straits are into pegging a lot lately. That's what I've heard. We are finally. Yeah, yeah. God bless. Well, you know, good, good, good for them. Welcome, welcome to our side. Yeah, welcome. I, you know, there's many, there's so many straight men in the world who I look at their big beautiful juicy ass and I think, oh, what a shame. What a shame that that big juicy peach will never get properly used. But maybe, hopefully, well, now it might, now it might. Now it might, now it might. Oh, my God, these NFL quarterbacks. You're telling me that ass is never going to get eaten up like a two piece in a biscuit. What a shame. Well, I was watching old episodes of Sex in the City on the plane, because I spent my life on airplanes. And it was one of the episodes where Miranda has to talk dirty to this guy because that's what he's into. And she's like, oh, yeah, I like the way you do this. And yeah, I love the way you moan when I put a finger up your ass. And he like freaks out because like, and the girls I'll talk about it a bunch later. And they all say the truth, which is that every guy likes to finger up his ass, but not everyone's willing to admit it. So hopefully the straight men are ready to admit it. I think so. I think the straight bottoms are coming out of the woodwork. For sure. Naomi Kata, 23, the Beyoncé of Donkasta. What do you owe some impressions about this beautiful vixen? I love that I'd never heard of Donkasta before, which means it is a small time. No, right. You know, Donkasta, like I love it. Also like what a cute name for like a weather girl. Hey, it's me, Donkasta. And this is the news for the weather. I love that this is a very graphic look. She looks stunning. I love that the green. She's like, you can't put me on a green screen. I'll just disappear. And I love the shades of green. I think this works well because she's mixed the shades of green in great proportion with each other. There are a few queens later on where I don't know if that was necessarily the case with their mixing of shades. I have a question. Do you think the little braid balls on her head are supposed to be like hidden mickeys? Is she like secretly a Disney character? That is so funny. I thought the same thing, but I was like, maybe not. Like I couldn't understand the look at the whole. Like it kind of gave me cactus. And you know what I mean? Like I was like, are those like little cactus fruits? I don't know. So I will say, I don't know if it's a critique, but like I don't understand the look, but I like the look, but I don't understand. It's also like a little bit like those are like her eggs of herself, which will hatch into like mold. Like she's like, she's a little shop of horrors and like little versions of her will pop out of each of them. Very that. She's a little bit denarius and she has little dragon eggs that will breed little dragon babies. Yeah, very much hatch. I love her energy. I love her attitude. I love that she was like, I've been doing drag for five years and I've auditioned for every series of drag race UK and series two. And I'm like, oh, so she was like, one year in, I'm ready. Two years in, I'm ready. She's like, I'm, this is my goal and I'm doing this. I want her to go all the way. I'm pegging her in the top four and I'm pegging her in Jack the Ripper's living room. I mean, the face is beautiful. Yeah. Like what a beautiful face. And that, yeah, just really gorgeous. And these girls are almost never in trouble when it comes to personality. I mean, they're funny. They know how to talk to a camera and say eight interesting things and that is not always the case. That is definitely true about the UK girls. They're all pretty confident on camera, which is impressive. He really is. I adore her. I'm excited to see what she does. Yeah. Well, I wonder too because I will say, because I've been around the UK and I've also been around the US. And in the UK, it is very much like a, when you're backstage at a drag show, the girls are like key key key key key key a little bit, which you can definitely find some of that here. But also I do find like, the US is way more informed, especially in like the south with like the pageant system, which is not as much about the key key and more about the like presentation of drag. And like the like I will be the most poised and like, you know, deliver my prepared remarks to the judges kind of a culture, which I don't think that exists in the UK. I think it's only the like fun, allowed kind of like backstage culture, whereas I think in the US like, it's a little bit more informed by that pageant world. It's certainly not, maybe not New York, but in other parts of the US, there's like a lot more of that pageant culture, which I think leads to queens being just a little bit stiffer maybe than they are in the country. I think you're 100% on the money. And there's a good time for me to plug my show, Bad Drag Race. Bad Drag Race. October 13th at the dynasty tie-up writer. I'm doing a drag king competition right now, with, and it's so, and again, it's so cool to see the Kings have a completely different vibe. And it's so cool to see like the backstage energy was, I'm just gonna say it, more supportive. Like more supportive, more just sibling-like, and more just like, there was a lot of just like, meaningful conversations happening before the show, whereas with it queens, it is just like, I don't want that bitch to see what my look is, you know, occasionally. Sure. Yeah, well, you know, that doesn't surprise me. It's not surprising. Let's talk about D.D. Licious, who's 20, 20, from Kent, sister of Crystal Vassache, what do we think? I see it, the only crystal I see is in that eye shape, but otherwise, like, this is like, it's like Baby Lucy Laduka for me, which I love. I love Lucy, but she was like, you know, I'm a comedy queen, and she was like, literally, cinched into that outfit with an inch of her life. Yes. She looks beautiful. It's funny, because I would never have guessed she was 20. I would have guessed she was 35, just based on the aesthetic. You know what I mean? It's like, big drag hair, the big boobs. Like, this is, I feel like now all the young girls just do like, no boobs, and like a flat human hair wig, whereas she's like, nope, I'm gonna give you old school drag. Yeah, I totally agree. That happens a lot in the UK. I'm not saying they look old. I'm saying like, they're like, maybe mature in a way that doesn't read as early 20s. Yeah, I mean, and they do start going to the clubs at a very young age. I mean, the legal age is 18, and I know some of these kids get in before that, whereas in the US, you know, I don't think people, you have a little bit of a later start. Yeah. Yeah, I am a huge fan of her. She really made me laugh a couple times, even just with an eye twitch. And I'm like, this bitch could go very far. I'm also pegging her in the top four, and I'm gonna peg her at a wig shop. I'm gonna say, because she's one of the queens who gave a little bit away, which is that she's an overthinker, which to me is maybe something Rue told her in the workroom, because I think Rue said something very similar to me, as someone who's also a thinker, you know, I think of the other queens who've been called like thinkers before. Rue is someone who doesn't like to see the wheels in your head turning when you do drag. And that's something that she's kind of said in different ways to different queens myself included. So that's my only concern for her as much like me. She's someone who's always thinking. And so I wonder if that's gonna like, because I don't mind a queen who's thinking, I like to see her work. You know, I like to see you like coming up with an idea and doing it, you know, I don't, everything doesn't need to feel like it's spontaneous and oh my God, she's just so crazy. Yeah. I relate to that. Whereas I think Rue really loves that spontaneity of drag. Yeah. And so that's, I'm wondering how that will do for her. But as we go, I noticed that Rue likes to spontaneous. Will she have a crisis of thought, which is so common when you're in your head and maybe more cerebral, you can. And in a pressure cooker of drag race, you're just like, what is happening every day? What is going on? What is my life? I'm with you. So I'm like, I'm in my brain and I'm always craving to be a performer who's outside of their brain. But I'm a person who's in my brain if I'm being honest. For sure, you know what? And that's okay too. Like, I don't know. Nothing wrong. No, to each their own and there's a lot of strength. Cause like, you know, I feel like just watching you perform. Like you're like, you're kind of a writer performer. You know? Sure. Yeah. But it's like, I think that's impressive too. You know, we all have abilities and strengths. I mean, so I'm curious how she does. Cause like, if someone like this, I'd imagine it'd be very good in snatch game, right? Cause she would have been very fierce. Her snatch game character really well. So, you know, that's the, that we'll see. We'll see Kate Butch, 26 from Bucston, mentally in her 60s. First of all, this outfit took me like the entire Meet the Queens to decide if I liked it or not. And at the end I decided I did like it. That's nice. Cause the outfit is so like, it's like Barbara Bush meets disco. Yes. Oh my God, it is confusing. And I'm also like, I'm getting like, like, would stock meets Margaret Thatcher. Golden girls. Yeah. Yeah. It's confusing. It's like Rose Nylon on the top. Yes. And fucking Doja Cat on the bottom. I don't know what's happening. Um, I decided I did love it by the end. I was like, this, I'm into this outfit. I'm into this queen. I, I'm into her, um, lack of lip liner. I was just like, you are just being yourself and having so much fun. I love her. And I know, I feel like I know a lot of Queens like this, especially in New York, Queens who from a young age just feel like they're an older cabaret. Yeah. And so, you know, there's some Queens like, uh, certainly Seymour and I have been doing drag. I think we're almost the exact same age. I think she's like a month, maybe a month older than me. But we've been doing drag for like, you know, 15 years and she, when we started at, you know, whenever it was, she was that exact same character, the old Broadway, Broadway that she is now. I kind of decided that was who she was and she stuck with it. So I feel like kind of the same about someone like Kate where it's like, she's just going, this is her and you're into it or you're not. I love a Queen who's unapologetic. I am obsessed with her all. I mean, again, I keep, I am obsessed with these girls. I'm obsessed with like, when I am talking to someone and I know I'm missing 90% of their references, I fucking live. I live when I, when she's talking about Lucy Spraggan and all these people, I couldn't possibly begin to know about. But I do, I will also say I always, I will relate to anyone who's like, I'm an old dusty bitch on the inside of my brain. Like that makes me feel comfortable for sure. I could see you're tripping up here somewhere. So for my purposes, I'm going to peg her in the seventh position out of these 10 queens and maybe going home around the seventh spot. And I will peg her in a fluff and fold laundromat. So you pick when they go home and then where you would have sex with them. Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. Great. It's sort of a tradition, Jackie. I don't know. I'm so sorry. There's no sense to this tradition. It's much like Christmas. It's a pagan buck and all that we've just decided to keep going and going. And you know what? I support it. Next. Okay. Let's talk about anything. We love it. We love it. We love it. Can't wait to see what she does. Banksy, this tall drink of bitch, 23, seven foot monster with neck pain. What do we think about Banksy? I love this dress. This dress is so beautiful. When she said I have neck pain, I couldn't stop looking at her neck, which to my eyes appears to be one foot long. Yes. I think you're 100% right. I am. I am so because unfortunately, we don't get the visual in this meet the queens of seeing her standing next to anyone, but like I want to see her like on that runway, just a mile high. Put her next to the shortest queen. Yes. I want to see that. I wonder if they'll raise truly like if they're going to, if she can have to crouch for all of those runway entrances because she is a monster and I love it. I think it'll be really interesting to see. But there was like another French drag queen who was so goddamn tall. Oh, like Condemn. Yes. Who just like, oh, I have to crouch. I don't think like Condemn is this tall. No. This person looks, Banksy looks even taller than like Condemn. Who is tall? Yes. I wonder if you picked up on this, but the crown of thorns with the, you know, rhinestone blood dripping. I wonder if she sees herself as a Jesus figure, if she may be sacrifices herself in some way during this competition, if she feels like she was crucified at some point in the competition. Easter egging us. I wonder what the, the subtext is here and what the, yes, the implications of this are because that's a pretty bold and graphic thing to compare yourself to Jesus Christ in your meet the queen. The crown of thorns and on your head with, with nothing, that's bleeding. With no other necessary, unless she's just, I'm Christian, love Jesus, love the guy. If that's the story, I'll be sad. But if not, I would love to know what, yeah, what is the thinking behind that? Or if she's just like a queen of controversy, she's like, I wanted to piss some people off. Yeah. She doesn't seem like that. So I, I, I, I do wonder if there's a foreshadowing of some drama coming up on Drag Race, UK, see. See, and this is why we, we love a cerebral queen. And it didn't even think about that, Jackie. That's very smart. Always thinking. I'm going to peg her sixth going home in the sixth position just before that top four, you know, ish. And I'm going to peg her in a payless shoe store in Northern Ireland. Yeah. In the very large shoe section, like the very end of the aisle, which is great because no one will be there. I don't want to see you guys because no one else probably has feet as big as her. I know. You just, you just know she has a, a cock that looks like an albino python, just, just, just almost horrifying on site, no comment. Ninja Johnson is next, formerly Safonda Dix, which I prefer that name to Jinger Johnson. I must say, would you think of this campy little broad? I loved her personality. I love that she seemed like someone I've met before in the UK. I feel like she's someone I would have like, you know, done a gig. And then after my gig, she's hosted like the late night karaoke. I love that she was, she seemed like a, like a real queen's queen. Like she's like, I've been hosting karaoke and been thrown up on four times. I'm like, that's my girl, like that's a girl who's paid her dues. I love the hair. I love the makeup. I hate the outfit. The purples do not match each other. Damn. They are fighting with each other. Damn. It's nothing is working for me. I think it needed to be, it's, it's, it's like, Lil House on the Prairie just go on top and then Liza Manelli pant on the bottom, but they're not even remotely the same kind of purple. It's interesting you say that because it is so funny how like a cool toned purple and a warm toned purple can be fighting, truly, they're fighting, they're beating the shit out of each other in the alley. Yeah. And the, and the, and the warm tone purple background isn't helping her either. I would have been like, put me on silver. Although the one thing is, it doesn't make me look at her face, right? Because her face is kind of like an island in the sea of purples. But I guess like maybe I would have brought that warmer tone purple up into the buttons. Maybe I would have brought that up in the buttons. But you know what? Here's the thing about clothes, clothes, clothes are the easiest change in draft. Tea. I'm with you. I was like, I love everything about it. It's giving me Austin powers. I, I love the hair. I love her personality. I bet she is really fun to be with. I just wish those purples. Here's something too. This is a, this is a question for, you know, her is sometimes in certain lights. You can't see the cool and warmness or something like things may look like they're way more similar, especially if you're like warm lights in your apartment. Of course. Then you get on the set and it's very bright white light. Like maybe she wasn't able to see that. You know, like you, you buy something in the fabric store or you hold up another fabric to match it and then you go outside after you've already bought it and cut it and you're like, wait a minute, these things in daylight do not look. I mean, I also think the more I, I'll speak as a very crunchy on polished drag queen, I could imagine her looking at these two purple things going, it's fucking fine. It fucking works. It's fine. Sure. So I'm not going to buy another cooler purple pair of pants, like, you know. I think what I would have done with this is just done like a black pants. Uh-huh. Work. So that the top is the star because right now I'm, I'm, I'm a, they're fighting each other in the middle. Yeah. They're beating each other down like two women on cheaters. Yeah. Yeah, or like a, yeah, I would have done like a black pant or a silver pants. They're fighting. They're fighting. Yeah. The girls are fighting. Girls are fighting like Lizzo and anyone she's employed, they are in a fight. Oh boy. Oh boy. Oh boy. Quick. We're, we're going to talk about the remaining queens and give Jackie a second to deal with my abhorrent behavior, but first, silence, I feel like taking a break. You take it. Bring back my break. Okay. We're talking the next evil. We got Alexis St. Peters. She's Polish and that's diversity in the UK. She is an Alan Carfan and, um, what do you think? Um, I hate how skinny she is. Oh my god. Disgusting. No, I'm just jealous. Uh, she, she's beautiful. Um, I have trouble keeping up with UK humor and UK like references and jokes. So that is my main concern watching her is like, I'm nervous because these girls are so verbal and so like funny, funny, quickie and like, you know, like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And saying all their UK references that like, how will she be able to keep up in that kind of a room? She said right off the bat, she like, my talents are like dips, splits, tricks and whatever, but you only get to showcase those where your lipstick gig for your life. Right. There's a whole challenge leading up to that. So I, I'm pegging her as a lip sync assassin in that way and that I feel like she made me in the bottom because she won't be able to T certainly in the comedy challenges. Like, I don't know if she will to hold her own against these girls. I don't see a success. So that's the game coming from her. I don't know why I just don't see it. I can be wrong. She could surprise us, but, but I feel like she may like survive quite a few lip syncs. Yeah. That is what I'm anticipating. Yeah. She looks amazing. And I could see her going home right before the finale, which is why I'm pegging her like fifth and I'm going to peg her, probably in the video game, I love a target. Yeah. She definitely seems like she has a little bit of video game influence in her style. Yeah. So this is giving me orchid from killer instinct, which is maybe why I love this look. I love the look. I just, I am concerned that the language barrier, you know, and I experienced this with Nikki because Nikki doll is one of the funniest people I know. But she, you know, it's been four years since we filmed our season, but when we filmed, she had only been living here full time for maybe two years. So her English though really good, it's hard to be funny in another language. Yeah. Certainly not. No. The way that I think I am maybe in English. So that's, that is something that's hard. It's hard to be funny in other language. Yeah. Unless, unless you're one of those queens, which is kind of leans into the, I don't know what you're saying, kind of like Sophia Vergara of it all, like you can kind of do it that way. Yes. But it's hard when you want to be, you know, funny and polished for Rue to kind of lean into that kind of a side, but maybe she will. Maybe she'll kind of do kind of a, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, like a charrow, right, a jogger boar, kind of like, I'm the funny foreign lady. I'll never forget it. Like Jada, Alex, Jada, oh my god, Jada Sophia doing Amy Winehouse in Snatch Game. It's still one of my favorite performances because it's just joy. It's just the joy of comedy and not, she's not obsessed about what the accuracy of what she's doing. I'm here for it. For sure. For sure. Michael Maroulli, the 39 year old, which Indra Grace is old and from Newcastle, what do we think? Could barely understand her Jordi accent and I loved every moment of it. I definitely will need the subtitles. Yes. Much as I'm sure people who are not from New York need subtitles for candy mues, I was like, this is the queen that we will need to understand what she's saying. So I hope these, whoever's doing the subtitles at World of Wonder can keep up with her. I'm sure. Holy moly. Sometimes the subtitles are pretty crunchy, so I hope there's someone with smoke coming off their fingers doing their best to annotate what she's saying. I really enjoyed her, but for some reason I got an early out vibe from her. I don't know. I like parts of this look. I think it's kind of confusing a bit at times. Well, I was wondering because it seems like she's giving snakes, she's giving Medusa, like is there some foreshadowing here, does she feel like she is the snake, does she come in and maybe stir some things up, is she a little bit devious in that way, I don't have to. What are the messages that these queens are trying to send us? I'm seeing literally she has multiple snakes all over her outfit and her hair is very reminiscent of snakes. It is. She's coming to fight, you know, she's on her toes with her mutation era. Wow. And there's roses and maybe which have horns, you are, I hope your detective work is fucking correct because that would be amazing if she was a snake. Otherwise I'm pegging her to go home in the 10th in that first position. I'm so sorry. I'm pegging her to go home at that first position, unfortunately. But I am going to pick her at the London Zoo. Sure, the animals will love it. Yeah, as more I look at this outfit, the more I'm like, there's a few too many ideas. I think that we could definitely lose the like cream colored fringe, I don't know what that has to do with anything else that's going on in the house. You're so right. And then the feathers, I'm like the fringe and the feathers to me would be the things to go because you know, I do like the snakes coming out of the roses, I kind of like because it kind of gives me a little bit of that garden of Eden moment. And I do think the hair, she's like, I'm gay, but I'm also a snake because it's like gay pride, flat colors, but it's also a snake. But the fringe, the cream colored fringe looks like a, oh, I don't want to look like I'm wearing a bodysuit. So I'm going to add this little fringe skirt, but I think it would have been stronger as just the bodysuit or the corset rather that kind of appears like a bodysuit. I'm very confused by the ideas the more I look at it. I'm like, there's so many, there's buckles, there's feathers, there's roses. I'm like, it's too much for me. Yeah. I would lose, I would lose just two of the ideas. And I think it's a pretty good one. And I'm going to say something crazy. I think the wig should just be rose colored. Like I think if the wig was like, I personally think if that wig was kind of like a rose colored, it could pull it all together to give a garden vibe where it's like, I don't know what vibe I'm getting. Yeah, it's like gay pride snakes. There we go. Well, Johnny, if you get a big snake on gay pride, no comment, no comment, happy pride attendee. No comment. No, that was too much for you. That was too much for me. That was too much for you. You're dirty, and I'm not. Oh boy, Vicki Vivacious. My lucky bottom friends, my no. Vicki Vivacious from Cornwell, she's talking pasties, and I'm here for it. She loves pastries. Yeah, she's, yeah, she loves pastries. The lips are lipping, you know, we talked earlier that filler is a literal word in the U.K. filler killer of their big lips. Yeah. They love it. No desire to look like it's giving me like, yeah, it's giving me, like, Marilyn Monroe in Hello Dolly, which I love. Yeah. Or it's giving me, like, a mandalapur does May West. Yeah. I don't know. It's like, it's like, it's like a sexy lady mixed with like an old Broadway diva, which I kind of appreciate that. It's a gorgeous look. She does. I'm going to say like, I'm up it, and I love it. She, she told us like, I'm up it. She said what I think are again, you know, I'm thinking back to what I've seen Rue resonate with is Rue doesn't love a girl who says they love theater for some reason, even though I think Rue herself loves theater. Like she gets, that's a good point. I think she, like theater kids have a, a, a, a, spotty history on the show. Yeah. Which I could kind of sense from her. So when, you know, I, I didn't really, I talked about improv, but I didn't really talk as much about theater as maybe some of the girls did, but I was just like, huh, I, I think, because I think, you know, Rue came up in the club scene, you know, so Rue was like, you know, if you're not coming up from that kind of a background, then I don't want it, which I don't know if that's true or not. But I, I do, I get worried about the queens such as myself who have that theater background because I feel like, yeah, I'm not sure what Rue doesn't love about it other than, I think she doesn't, she doesn't like try hard. I think, and again, this is just my experience. I try hard doesn't seem to do well on the show, and, and that's, it's, I'm not saying that's correct. It's just a reality. I think sometimes when you're like, when you want it, um, too bad, in fact, I'm remembering in season one, which is one of my favorite old-school tales is when, like, RuPaul's like, um, like Chanel wants this too bad. And I like how BB like, and she literally says like, but BB is kind of like leaned back, kind of like, leaned back and kind of letting things happen. So I always think about that of like, I think, yeah, like she likes it when someone who's, someone is a badass and sort of like, kind of has a little bit of that, I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. Um, she, she likes that. Yeah, and I guess that's probably like if I was any kind of theater kid, I would be the closest to that kind because I'm like, I don't know, I, I barely, I don't know, I barely pursued professional theater when I realized like, oh, I hate this rat race. Like, this isn't for me. So I just, like, you know, I like moved to New York after college and went to one open call and was like, nope, totally. I was like, this is too much. Um, so maybe that's probably why I made it as far as I did because, you know, I have that theater kid side of me, but I wasn't, I mean, people always ask me like, why were you so like emotional or whatever after I was double-saved and I was like, cause I bitch, I was ready to go home. I was like, I've done this. So bye. I'm out. So then the rest of the competition, I was just kind of like, who cares, um, you, and I think that's, that's what's hard for theater kids to access that. Who cares? Point of view because, you know, you're told like you have to like, you know, nail it at every audition and I'm like, well, we did our best. We. This one did it. You kill it. I mean, you, you're playing it. You're, you're being very, you know, chill about it, but you kill it. And it, I don't know if I told you this, but like literally on our Europe trip, me and Nicole were rewatching season 12, um, cause you know when you're like, no, that's so random. It's so random. But like, whatever Netflix in Europe has like some seasons of drag race and it had season 12. So we were just like, and you know, sometimes when you're traveling with someone, you need an activity for downtime. Like you need an activity for downtime, so it was always like, oh, let's like rewatch season 12. How funny. Um, and we upon rewatching it, we were very much gagged and gooped by the just amount of talent on that. That season and you, oh, yeah, it's a good group of girls. The talent is staggering. I'm not talking shit about other seasons. I'm just saying your season's talent years, years later is just like Jesus Christ. This is a group of talented people. So I mean, the fact that you thought so hard is, I mean, incredibly impressive. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, I'm curious. I'm finding it back to this, this group of girls, like how, how they'll fare, you know, and I, and I'm always wondering like, what's going on in Ru's head? Because now Ru is seeing literally at least 40 new queens a year. Yeah. I'm just the ones that she hosts between, yeah, between the three English language franchises she hosts, plus the international All Stars where she ends up meeting queens from franchise. She didn't host, you know, so she's meeting at least 40 new queens a year, trying to get to know them. And I'm always like, what's going on in her head? Like how does she reset every season? How does she not let like kind of her expectations of some of the archetypes of queens that she's seen over the years, like not seep into her brain? Because it must be hard. You know, you meet a queen and you're like, oh, this queen reminds me of so and so. So I'm going to kind of judge them knowing, you know, what this kind of queen can do. But, you know, it must be hard. Yeah. I'm not sure how she's able to do it. I think I've always said this and I've always admired that Ru is detached from her success. Like I think it's really healthy that RuPaul is able to go to her job and have an amazing time, connect with people. And then it seems like from the outside, go home and turn it off. Like just be like, I, yeah, I, because I think if you are a host who's too tapped into the world of your show, I think it makes, it drives you crazy. Like the, the tire banks have had a great period. I didn't think about Jeff Probst, who to me like, when I watch Survivor and I do, he's like, he's adorable, but he's a little bit too into his own show in a way where he's like, this is the first time in his favorite history, this has happened. And I like that RuPaul's like, what is this the first? Oh, I don't know. I don't give a fuck. Is this the first? I don't care. Yeah. Um, I admire that. Hey, good for her. Good for her. Okay, I love Vicki Vagabaseya someone peg her eighth and I'm going to peg her, ooh, at the dollar general, mama. Okay. The pound general. Ooh. Oh, that's good. Okay, that I like, that I like. This is the dad joke I'm here for, um, Cara Mel, 26 from Atlanta, living in London. Our American Queen. Not American, stunning trans goddess. What do we think? I mean, I, again, thinking about the things that Ru loves, Ru, I can't imagine Ru not being obsessed with carol because she has, she has the combination of the two things that Ru loves. One is perfect beauty. You know what I mean? This is why she loved a queen like Jada who was just so stunning and beautiful to look at. And then Ru loves someone that she feels like she would have known growing up like the Heidi and closet, you know, and since Ru, you know, lived in Atlanta for a while, like I feel like this is going to be a queen that Ru is going to be like, oh, you're my girl. So I think that's going to help her because she truly is beautiful and stunning. Like, what a gorgeous. Shocking. I love her. I definitely peg her on the top four. I hope she wins, um, but I also don't know the optics of an American winning drag race UK. If that's like fucking kind of weird, frankly, um, you can, you will see, you will see. Yeah, I, I, the Americans beat the Brits once before. Maybe they can get it. Yes, they're taking it back. I know what a weird thing if like she wins and they just start playing the star-spangled banner and just like middle fingers, fuck you, um, fuck you UK, um, I'm excited to see her. Um, I think she's really sickening and she's called herself a lip sync assassin. It's clear. We'll see her destroy a girl or two. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, I imagine her doing very well in this competition. But again, I haven't, I haven't heard any of the spoilers. I don't. I don't do that either. Who has the time? Who has the time? There's even a spoiler going around that there was like an 11th queen that got eliminated for being problematic. I, if you're a listener, is that true? Is that bullshit? What the hell's happening? I do believe that is true because I got some text from some of my, of my sisters saying that is true. Wow. You heard a hear, bitch. So I don't, I don't know what the actual accusations are. I don't know how it all plays out, but I do believe that there will be another, another body on that stage that I've also heard that they may edit them out like somehow in time. What? Like, like I, I've also heard this rumor. Is the person there for it? There definitely was, there definitely wasn't 11th queen there with them. What? We will see them on the program is remains to exist. Oh my god. Why does this keep happening to you, Jackie? This is deja vu, deja vu all over again. Oh boy. Oh. Yeah. Jackie, that's shocking. Well, let's stay tuned to see what happens there. Jackie, remind us where we can support you, where we can follow you, what shows you might have coming up, et cetera. Yeah, I'm at Jackie Cox NYC across all platforms and speaking of NYC, I'm actually starting my first somewhat regular New York show. You can come catch me Tuesdays at the brand new club Red Eye, where I'm bringing my hit Fire Island show Queen for a day to the streets of Hell's Kitchen. And anyone can compete and anyone can become the Queen for a day. We provide makeup, wigs, outfits, and you bring your talent and sassy drag personality. That's fun. Oh, and my upcoming unannounced special thing happening over the holiday season with one of my drag race sisters stay tuned for that announcement. Okay. Very exciting. Jackie. Yeah. If Jackie, you're amazing. We'll put those links below in the podcast description. Oh, and sorry. Give me. Let me plug our friend. I'm going to plug our friend because I just went to her opening night and if you are in New York, you can also see Rachel Bloom in death. Let me do my show because I went to the opening night. Last week and it was so good. Much like us, she's someone who thinks a lot and I love what she put her mind to in creating something that is funny, moving, clever. Like one of the reviews said, it's almost too tight of a show and I'm like, you know what? Good for her. Good for her that she wrote something and created something that's so smart and tight and clever and beautiful and that she gets to do it for, you know, an off Broadway audience, you know, however many shows a week, please go see her because it's really great. I love it. And that's all I say about it because the rest would be a spoiler. She's genius. I love that plug. We love Rachel. Rachel's a genius. I'm so glad. I'm so glad. Because I feel like last time I was on, it was with her and we talked about like what would her next show be. Yes. And some of it was about like being a new mom, which, you know, is in this show, which I'm like, so I'm like, I love that that full circle moment, you know, is I will now on this pod. Also plug her. Go see her. Please. We fucking love Rachel. Okay. Amazing. Um, if you like drag her podcast, follow us at drag her podcast. If you like the only drag race podcast, which is really exciting for us. It's the only one. Um, yeah. It's true. Don't you wish there were more Jackie? I do. You know, yeah. One maybe one day someone will start some more drag race podcasts. But until then, this will do it. Till then. Yeah. It would be great if someone from the show who had experience in the world did their own podcast. But there's no such thing. If you like, if you like this podcast, I will say go give us a positive five star review on the Apple podcast. Just for fun, um, it raises our spirits. It widens our holes. So go be kind. Give us some five star love on the Apple podcasts. Um, I think that's it. Till next time, my dear, let the music play. Bye. Bye. Bye. We did it. That was a hit, um, original.