Hello, elegant listeners and welcome to GO!
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hosts that you know very well, including the man who does not do or know sport much.
Markiplier.
Hello, that's me, I'm here too.
Yeah, and I'm Tyler, I'm the one with the Masters degree.
Ignore my death last time, I'm totally still fine.
Did you die last time?
I, in a ball of flames.
What happened?
What happened in the last episode, why don't I remember that?
It was the proof for death.
What?
Yeah, oh, it was me testing my Masters degree, I think.
Oh, right, will burn you in a ball of fire, I remember now.
Goodness gracious, I don't even remember anything that happened.
I think that was the last episode, I can't keep track anymore.
I thought it was a creative class of the last episode.
Oh, that's right.
I was already a reincarnated alive, it's fun.
Dead, we just ignored that fact.
Yeah.
All right then.
Oh, so how are you Mark?
I'm tired.
Yeah, that's it.
You're like swaying back and forth, is that keeping you awake?
Something like that, I just feel like I need to keep moving or else I'm going to slump
over and just conch out.
We just finished filming, so I'm just like trying to stay awake as we get these done
and then I got a pack and all this sort of stuff.
So hopefully this is an horrible for Will to do if I'm not just like a Doppler effect
for everyone listening, going from left to right.
Trust me.
It's everything's fine.
Your audio does not need to be adjusted.
It's almost hypnotic the way the audio is slightly fluctuating.
Mm hmm.
That's what I aim for.
We're here to hypnotize people and to forgetting all those other sports podcasts and only listen
to this one because we have the best sport information that you'll ever need.
And you can even get a foam finger now to support the best sports podcast that ever existed
in the history of history.
Really?
Yeah, there's a foam finger.
Let me see.
I'm going to see this.
Where is it?
It's up there when this episode comes out.
You kept saying that for like three weeks now and I don't see one here.
Okay.
You want me to get in the logic of it?
Yeah, I want to get in the logic of it.
The host of our website for the go merch has been having some issues.
And so we're in the process of trying to get those issues fixed.
And so as we're trying to get those issues fixed, we might be switching to a different
hosting platform that will operate the store instead because this issue has been persisting
for well over a week now.
Well, I don't know anything about that.
I all I know is that Tyler lied to me and therefore you all listening to this and viewing
this should be upset as much as I am.
I don't know if I should apologize or double down.
You there's no apologizing you could possibly do that can forgive you for your transgressions.
We'll light them on fire again.
No.
All right.
Well, okay.
Anyway, it's too early for the accuses.
I'm getting too early too early.
All right.
Well, today we're going to be talking about fan interactions.
Uh huh.
Because fans affect things.
They need to be appreciated properly.
Yes, just like the fans of this podcast.
It's jacuzz time.
Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do
put a spotlight on him for those watching video.
You can see that Tyler's in the hot seat now because you how could you Tyler?
How could you?
Oh, how I could.
How could you uber lokes 99 wants to know how dare you disgrace Marty Breneman for what
his son did?
Yes, it was Tom Breneman, the last name in the same exact career.
It sometimes gets confusing, but it was Tom Breneman, his son.
Believe you.
I'm sorry Marty.
You were still forever cherished and loved by all fans across the world and especially
in Cincinnati for the amazing broadcasting that you did.
It's your son that gets the finger pointed at him.
Mm hmm.
I'm sorry Marty.
This is a strange one though.
I demand an apology for Marty.
I know you pride yourself and think of yourself as a man of faith as there's a drive into
deep left field by cost to Janos and that'll be a home run.
And so that'll make it a foreign ball game.
I don't know if you'll be on this podcast again.
I don't know where that last sentence was going.
So they're referencing the part where Tom slipped up because he slipped up and then he
basically just went into the announcement of and there's a deep drive into left field
by Castellanos.
Right.
That's his apology was like I'm a man of faith.
Yeah.
Dada dada.
Slick.
And then he got interrupted because he had to broadcast the Castellanos thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So maybe said like I don't know if I'll be on this broadcast again.
Yeah.
I get it now.
I understand.
I get it.
He said yeah I don't know if I'll be on the broadcast again.
Also there's a there's a accused from deranged beaver who said how dare you Tyler.
I'll have you know that while there are 159 counties in Georgia, there's no such thing
as a Marietta County.
Marietta is a city and is basically in Atlanta's backyard.
I know outside of the you know how do you know this?
Well I know that it's a city because I have family that live in that area.
And so I know Marietta is a city and I because sometimes cities share names with counties.
Well then you should have known better you fool.
I'm sorry Los Angeles has a Los Angeles County.
I go how am I supposed to know all of Georgia counties that are 119 or whatever they said.
Uh huh.
Well buckle up Buster because there are a lot of jacuses this week.
Reading skies 20 says around ball.
Tyler how dare you mark so kindly so humbly admits that he doesn't know the differences
between Aussie football.
Aussie rules footy and American football and yet you disrespect him.
The country of Australia and the institution of GMFSD by feeding him and thus your entire
audience false information.
You could not in all fairness.
I'm not done.
I'm not done.
You could not even give us the dignity of doing an Aussie rules primer.
I think Aussie rules primer but they can forgive me because they're so attentioned on you
didn't teach me how to pronounce that properly.
How would I even know despite already having done a fantasy football NFL and Sockor primer.
Not only do you compare the footy goal to a touchdown your description of a footy is
around ball is disgusting.
Admit your mistakes.
Do an Aussie rules footy primer and undo the damage you have done.
It's on the list.
But also I will admit that I said round ball.
It is rounded.
It's basically very similar to a rugby ball in its egg shaped.
It's not pointy on the ends.
It has no points.
So it is rounded and I'm pretty sure I said I think it's round.
I've never said it was.
Interesting.
Very interesting.
Well it doesn't end there for you and your crimes because sad employee 3978 is taking
Mr. Underscore 12 to the stand.
Elegant listeners and viewers of the jury.
The quote master of balls and holes has neglected dimension and incredible historic
accomplishment.
Tyler who we all know is a huge Tampa Bay Lightning fan neglected to acknowledge the
Boston Bruins breaking both the NHL points and wins record.
And I can't help but think this was due to jealousy as his favorite hockey team shared
the wins record.
This ghost is on full hot mode until Mr. Underscore 12 acknowledges this feat.
Good job.
That's that's that's an accomplishment.
But also I haven't been paying attention to hockey.
I've had a million other things on my own.
I'm so I've been like your degree.
Listen I whoa master's degree doesn't mean I just sit here and absorb all of the news
of sport through osmosis that's just in the air.
Like I'm not I'm not a plant that lives under the ice of every single hockey arena in the
history of mankind.
Sure.
Whatever you say.
This last one is indefensible.
If you think you can escape the punishment and torment of those last accused is just
way for this last one.
Shield of Earth says seriously guys not knowing how a bike works.
I can understand Tyler's position because he master sports but mark fish back.
How can you not understand how a bike works when you have an electric unicycle which does
similar effects to keep itself balanced and hope when a and B you were an engineering student
right?
You took physics and mathematics classes right?
Your class might have referenced how a bike works by keeping itself upright but you didn't
listen did you?
A bike works by keeping itself upright by literally positioning it underneath you.
When you get on a bike you don't move forward or backwards you automatically steer the front
wheel to the center of gravity of the bike so you don't fall right.
Same when the bike is moving forward without a rider the bike automatically steers whichever
side they are falling to keep the wheel underneath it.
What do you have to say for yourself Tyler?
I mean technically the gyroscope does assist in some degree but also they are correct in
their assessment about how a bicycle wheel turns to you know balance you and make you
go in the direction of the center of gravity.
You that sounded like it was towards you.
I can't believe you've disgraced the honor and dignity of this podcast by not knowing
how a bicycle works.
That was you.
I didn't graduate.
I like how that's your default of anybody challenges your engineering stuff.
It's like I didn't get my degree you can't question me.
Those me on set every time I would use it excuse me like I don't know how to do that.
I didn't go to film school and people would be very upset with me on set because I was
like we didn't some of us didn't go to film school either.
So I used to.
And then you're like well why are you here?
So I kept saying I didn't go to Snorri Cam School and I didn't go to Champagne School
and I didn't go to any school.
But this is actually interesting because they link this video by Veritasium and it is fascinating.
It's talking about how there's new research that's like yeah bikes don't really work
how people think they do.
The gyroscopic effect is in nowhere near effective enough as just the design of the bike and
its automatic steering capabilities and there's apparently new research coming out all the
time about just how bicycles work because they're very well designed and we man not
know actually no which haha full on you I went to college in 2009 way before this video
came out and I didn't graduate so how would I know but it also doesn't change the point
of I don't think these rules apply necessarily to the snow variants still I think I think
the fact that there are wheels spinning still has an impact versus just a sled with two
broken sticks on it point in case the ski bikers were still falling.
Apparently they need to design them better so that the steering compensates for the center
of gravity change.
Exactly and also probably snow has a different impact of the fact that it yields versus doesn't
apply sufficient return force or something like that.
I don't know.
I didn't graduate.
I didn't get a film degree.
I didn't go to film school.
Anyway, lots of excuses all done now.
Well, Mark, you've had your fair share of interactions with fans.
No, I haven't.
You.
Yay.
What?
No.
Oh, no.
I've many concerns now.
Is it another person that I was with that had to see these interactions?
Do you have a clone that I don't know about?
You can't prove that that was me.
You have no ability to prove that.
I think I have a video on my phone.
No, no, no.
Well, you interact with them.
You were just interacting with them.
You got possessed by the jacuzzos.
That's an interaction.
Well, I don't even know what you're talking about.
I don't know.
No, fan is.
I could make a way joke there, but I'm not going to.
All right, fair enough.
All right.
But you've joined in on the wave because I saw you join in on the wave that had a lot
of that happened at creator club.
There is no evidence to such things.
All right.
OK, I'm sure somebody has videos.
I did.
I did.
I did.
So there's a lot of different ways that fans interact with each other and with the contest.
So today we're going to be discussing all these different kind of ways that fans interact.
Some of the more popular ones like the wave, something more recent that's evolved as the
cup snake.
And you know why sports teams fans have their names, how sports rely on their fans.
There's a hand.
It's money.
Why is it money?
Because they need fans to put a team onto the field.
All right.
Interesting.
But it's really interesting how sports teams create avenues for fans to feel more involved
and feel like they're a part of the team so that in vernacular they say, we drafted
this guy or we won our game even though they didn't play.
Interesting.
Act one.
All right.
Fan interaction origins.
Mark, how far back do you think the wave goes?
The way when do you think the wave like fans doing the wave like around a stadium began?
Uh, Colosseum.
That'd be cool.
There's no historical evidence that would show that though.
The first recording of it was actually in 1981 on October 15th at an athletics playoff
game in Oakland against the New York Yankees.
Uh, interesting.
Okay.
So wait, the wave had never been documented, never filmed until that very moment.
Nope.
That's the first recording.
I find that so incredibly hard to believe, right?
There's no way like I can't you'd be so bored in back in like, let's say it's 1200 AD
or whatever it is or CE or whatever it is.
It's like, you don't think that someone just like got up and was like, everyone cheer,
or cause I know that humans probably get up and cheer even in the Colosseum days.
Like I'm sure that was a thing.
So never want not anyone noticed that like, oh, if we organize and everyone goes like this,
we could make a cool effect.
Right.
But apparently this was the first recording.
The funny thing is you technically weren't wrong because the name of the Oakland stadium
is the Oakland Colosseum.
So okay.
In a way, you were right.
Oh, I see how you think I'm right.
Yes.
Okay.
I get it.
Yes.
Okay.
Fair enough.
I'll take the win.
Put a win in my column for everybody out there.
There are many theories of how the wave actually started with people claiming everything from
them and venting it at home on their own couch, watching it on TV, watching a game in the
1950s to it being depicted in Sioux City cave drawings dating back to 215 BCE.
How would they get a wave going in a cave drawing?
I guess you you have people sitting and then other people standing and then it's sitting
and then the next depiction is it's moving.
Oh, oh, okay.
That's how I imagine it would work.
Okay.
It was a flip book between stone tablets.
Mark was.
Yeah.
Do it again, dad.
All right.
Phone, phone, phone, phone.
Be a very loud wave.
And a professional cheerleader, crazy George Henderson, crazy with a K mind you claims to
have invented the wave in 1979.
He claims that it evolved from earlier types of cheers he did to encourage the audience.
So just having fans at San Jose State stand in groups saying, San then Jose.
So this was in the early 1970s that he did this.
Okay.
After the televised 1981 wave at the athletics game, it started to take off mostly in Seattle,
first at the college level at the University of Washington, but quickly spread to the Seahawks
and the Sounders and then to the world to the world.
Yes.
Taking it over by storms fans could not stay seated and watching the game.
They couldn't stand and just cheer.
They had to do it in unison to create an illusion of the wave.
Okay.
It was an addiction.
It was a disease.
What?
Regardless of how it started, the wave is a great way to energize a crowd.
And it's awe inspiring to see thousands of people coordinate in the spur of a moment
to make a wave happen in game.
Okay.
Brad and event like creator clash.
All right.
See, it's a disease.
It keeps spreading.
That's how that's how you define a disease, right?
Ah, not necessarily.
Not all, not all things that spread our diseases, otherwise growing a YouTube base, you know,
might be considered a disease of some kind.
Maybe it is.
Hmm.
All right.
Maybe it's a good disease, a disease of positivity.
Sure.
Yeah.
All right.
Okay.
Where are you going with this, Tyler?
Are you trying to attack the fans out there for supporting me and not you in all their
jacuses?
They're always on my side.
They believe in me and my genius.
That's awesome.
I'm going to hold you wholeheartedly because you're my friend.
Well, take that you fool.
I'm going to win this one.
I love misdirecting you and going, I'm not entering this fight.
I'm just going to support you.
Yeah.
Okay.
Sure thing.
That's a loser's mentality.
Maybe that's why I win so much.
I don't know about that.
Anyway, Mark, have you ever tailgated like before an event before a sporting event or
anything like that?
I mean, maybe I've attended one.
I can't really speak of something specifically.
I feel like in a way in prep before wrestling meets, it's almost like we're tailgating
for a home wrestling because we're waiting for everybody else to be ready for the way
ends and just eating food and talking.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I mean, it's kind of cool, but I don't know if that would be considered tailgating in
the traditional sense.
Yeah.
Tailgating, I think, requires a car.
It's just to be in a parking lot.
But apparently it predates the invention of cars and was a few years before the first
American football game was played.
The first tailgaters were spectating, not a sports game, but a Civil War battle.
It was on the 21st of July, 1861.
What Civil War battle had an audience?
All of them, actually.
Oh, really?
Almost, almost all of them.
A lot of times during the Civil War, and I remember this from walking like Gettysburg,
they would have basically the wives and kids would be on the sidelines and they'd stay
like a good distance away and they'd watch the battle commence.
And then they'd run in to help the soldiers and stuff that were wounded as they came
back.
Good God, I feel like that would be like a very, very dangerous position to put yourself
in, not to be in the audience for a war.
I mean, back then, it was like you line up and just take aim.
I don't know.
I'm sure they were far enough back and like on top of hills that like the old style artillery
and stuff didn't really reach them.
Hey, I don't know about that, but all right.
Okay, anyway, continue.
So on the 21st of July, 1861, spectators packed picnic lunches, traveled by buggy and carriage
to the Viridian countryside to watch the artillery and fighting in what would later be known
as the first battle of bull run.
These first tailgaters used opera glasses to try and view the battle and complained about
trees and smoke blocking their view.
Oh, good.
Who are they going to complain to?
Right?
Ah, you general cut down trees before we get here next time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
How they thought it was a good idea to spectate a battle like it was a rugby match would be
anyone's guess.
But yeah, American football might be brutal, but this definitely takes the cake in that
it was a war and they were complaining about not being able to see a war.
But that was deemed tailgating because they celebrated and ate food and then watched stuff
commence.
Okay, cool.
So the first American football tailgates happened in the early 1900s.
Just as automobiles started to become more and more popular, the New York Times reported
on a Harvard Yale game in 1906 stating that the open field about the grounds were simply
black with machines parked together in such a hopeless mass as to make it seem impossible
for one ever to find his own once more.
Okay, well, I don't know what he really that meant, but it sounded ominous.
Apparently it was just there were a bunch of cars and it was impossible for them to find
their car after the fact.
Oh, okay.
I thought we were still talking about the Civil War and I was like, what machines are out
there on the field of battle that are just like left to left to rust in the middle of
everything.
No, no.
The Yale football match in 1906.
Okay.
The Times also said those arriving by train gazed with envious eyes as they near the field
at small parties of automobiles eating tempting Vians that had been brought in hampers spread
on a picnic fashion on a tablecloth laid upon the ground.
There's a really dramatic way to describe a picnic.
I mean, I don't think anyone's ever looked at picnics me like, wow, what an incredible
sight.
I'm so jealous.
You know, that's a lie every time I see someone taking a pick a picnic, I'm just like, oh,
man, why is my life so boring?
Can I go get a picnic?
I mean, I think they're jealous because they just got off the train.
They're like, I'm so hungry.
I want some food.
I'll have to buy it in the concessions that are so more expensive.
And then they're like, Oh, those people have cheap food that's even more delicious and
they're here.
Uh huh.
Yeah.
And do they do they not even I don't even really understand tailgating.
Do they go into the game after a reserve?
They just listen to the game and watch it outside of it.
So I've been in both circumstances.
The majority of people that tailgate basically party and hang out and enjoy themselves and
then go into the game.
It's usually people that have ticket holders.
My uncle tailgates for almost every bangles game.
Historically, that's what they did.
And so because you have to pay for like the parking slots close to the stadium.
So a lot of people do that, but I've also gone to a tailgate where they don't have tickets
and then they like have a TV and watch it from the parking lot in the frigid cold.
It's the worst and I've done it.
But sometimes people just go down there for the experience because you get to talk with
fans.
You get to meet people that come in from out of town.
You can try like different foods.
It's how kind of how cultures come together.
And it's how fans can like, you know, interact with each other and have a fun time before
the game actually happens.
Yeah, we talked about it in a previous episode of food and sports.
And so that was a part of the like the cultural sharing was that tailgaining experience.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so it's really fun because then you get like kids from who are fans of both teams
like playing football, playing jackpot, different stuff like that and throwing a football around.
They're doing cornhole.
They're playing like your normal like backyard games that you could play.
And then you have people peen behind dumpsters because the latrines are occupied and stuff
like that.
Fair enough.
It's all part of the game.
But how does this get into the other teams head?
The smack talk.
Ah.
It's when another fan decides to walk up to other fan, go, your team sucks and we're
going to beat you into the ground because we're bigger and we're stronger and we're
cooler.
And does that make the other team afraid?
No, because it doesn't affect the team, but it makes the fan less likely the cheer.
And then they have less of the home field or the way advantage if their fans travel well.
Or if enough of the opposing team show up fans, all of a sudden the home team advantage
gets nullified because they could potentially be louder in opponent stadium.
We saw that a lot happen when San Francisco fans came down to LA versus the Chargers and
the Rams.
And it was basically almost like it was a home game for the 49ers because there were
more minor fans than there were Rams or Charger fans.
Interesting.
Okay.
But we'll talk about that in different episodes when we talk about home field advantage.
Okay.
So the ability to travel increased the rise of the automobile usage, meaning more people
would then go and support their teams for away games and increase number of flooding
to games, local restaurants basically started to appear near the venues and college towns
struggled to feed the masses.
So it increased the number of people bringing picnics.
They ate by their cars.
And in the 1950s, plastic coolers, portable grills became widely available as tailgating
turned from the picnics of the past to resemble the tailgates of today.
It actually advanced technology because more people were doing this.
So then they're like, Oh, we need to give them stuff so that they can bring, you know,
chilled items and different things to the games.
That's fascinating.
I just had a thought about this was because did you see any posts that were like when even
one is fight, there were some people that were just like, Wow, is this what it's like
to cheer for your, your favorite sports team?
Oh, yeah, I did see that.
Yeah.
And because it's like, this is amazing.
And it's like, yeah, that is the feeling that a lot of people who fall sports chase.
They, they want to root for something that they care about, they care about the players.
And in the same way, yeah, they do feel that kind of connection in the same way that those
people would have the people fighting creative class so that they other ones see.
And that's kind of like the feeling that we're trying to promote here on go is because I
don't have a lot of favorite sports teams, but there's probably something out there that
you could find that you care about.
And that would be really interesting to see them win.
And it's, it is exciting and it's addictive.
And so like people do want to go and travel and share these experiences and they want
to be able to share the experiences with other fans, all parts of it before and after so
that people can get more involved.
And the more invested they are, the more satisfying it is when, you know, they actually do win.
It's interesting.
Yeah.
It's an adrenaline rush.
It's fun.
It's euphoric when your team wins.
It's all of those different things.
And it's obviously hits your dopamine response in your brain.
So it creates that, that happiness and joy on victories.
But the downside is you get some pretty deep lulls too when your team loses.
Because if you get that, that tied and invested into it, you're going to, you're going to
feel that loss just like the team does.
Yeah.
And you can't have ups without bounds.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
So apparently there's a really cool example of tailgating in the Vols Navy since 1962,
the University of Tennessee tailgates have been unique.
So their stadium is near the Tennessee River.
So instead of tailgating with cars and parking lots, fans do it by docking their boats on
the water.
Almost 700 feet of dock space has been added over the years to accommodate all the various
water crafts.
And as many as 350 boats may be docked for the big game and they'll arrive days before
and park there.
And it's just a rowdy boat tailgate.
And then according to some ratings, the Kansas City Chiefs tailgates are the best in the
NFL by World Sports Network as the fans at Arrowhead Stadium have the best experience
starting in the morning of a home game.
The party continues all day and well after the game ends with barbecue.
They even have the tailgating area sponsored by Ford has live entertainment all the time.
They have food trucks.
They have the cheerleaders for the team come out there and interact and a whole bunch of
different games and their special hospitality tents inside the stadium for season to go to
holders to tailgate gate in as well with music, complimentary food drink, photo booth appearances
from celebrities and different stuff like that.
And it's insanely fancy.
Do you almost feel though that that kind of cheapens the experience?
Yeah, it's almost like it takes away from the human element that it's like you're making
it in the stadium.
But at the same time, from a fan standpoint, when the team takes notice of the tailgating,
it makes you feel valued.
Yeah, I suppose it's kind of this this.
Worrying philosophy, right?
The weird example that I think I can take is World of Warcraft, right?
World of Warcraft evolved as a game over a lot of different expansions.
And in these expansions where features made decatur towards the player base, make it more
convenient, make things more accessible, give them more things, given the more things to
do, give them more opportunities to feel like a winner, you know, stuff like that.
And so in a way, it also deluded the experience of why the game was special in the first place
and why that open sandbox with no rules and no special rewards kind of like made it a
cheaper experience.
So when I hear about something like tailgating and these, you know, the NFL being like, yeah,
let's give them all these different perks.
For me, the idea of tailgating is probably originated just because fans wanted to get
together and they wanted to share food and they wanted to talk about it.
Like in a way that was outside of the stadium and kind of like being outside of the stadium
probably felt like a bit of a rebellion, you know, kind of like, like we're doing our own
thing, but we're still here and we're kind of, we're existing outside of the box and
we do it just because we love it.
And then when suddenly you introduce all these different perks and stuff, I could see it
leading towards a thing where it loses that special spark that made them want to come
there in the first place as opposed to all the ooh, we get to meet and photo booth, more
opportunities like that mean more opportunities to be disappointed almost.
And so it's a strange like battle and I wonder what would actually be better or if it is
better for things like that because at the end of the day, it's people coming together
because they want to get together, not because they think that they're special cool perks
for it, you know.
Yeah, I think, I mean, in that particular degree, that's for people opportunity to purchase
into that to do the in- stadium stuff.
I think the outside the stadium stuff still exists in the fact that they get live music
and they can do extra stuff to like make and promote more people to come is cool.
I think to a degree in a way, there's an argument to be lesser because then you don't have your
own choice of music because that's something that at the bangles tailgates that I've been
to.
You have people that bring their speakers and they're blaring what music they like.
And so if there's a concert going on, it's harder for you to then be able to enjoy what
you want to do enjoy instead of your hearing, whatever's there.
So like if they're like playing country music and you're not a country music person, it's
like, I don't want to hear that.
So to a degree, I can see what you're saying.
I think it's one of those things where the big part that I think about that I think is
really nice is if people come out and acknowledge that, you know, the fans are there early in
supporting, it's almost like they're getting to know the fans.
So like if Houde, who's the mascot for the bangles?
If he just suddenly comes out and is running around the tailgate, everything, that's cool.
Kids love that.
People get a hype out of it.
They'll take pictures with them and see them do stuff.
And that's kind of cool.
But I see what you mean by like the in-stadium stuff kind of taking away from it so that
it's not as like special.
Now it's like a pay to get in sort of thing and you get exclusive perks from it.
I could see that in a way taking away from it.
I don't think it does because I think it's probably such an exclusive crowd because apparently
it's like $15,000 or $30,000 to get into that for the year.
So I think it's only a select number of people who take advantage of that.
And those are the people that are like, I don't want to cook the food or be out there
anyway with the plebeians.
They're like, oh, I have the money.
I can go in and be cool with the actual stadium, which is like so silly of a mentality.
But yeah, sure.
Yeah, there are people that are like that.
We've met them, Mark.
We've met them.
Yes.
I've met many of them.
And then there's the cup snake, which is a recent thing.
Cup snake going to pretty much any sports stadium means there will be beer and beer drinkers.
They like to get rowdy.
So what happens is there's a break and hyped up slightly buzz fans get bored.
So they start stacking their beer cups also called the beer snake.
It's a long chain of stacked empty cups.
For example, in a 2020 DC defenders game, fans created a 1,237 cup long snake that span
nearly 20 rows of seats in 2021.
A 2,400 cup long snake was created a Cubs game assembled by fans, which by the way is
over $30,000 worth of beer.
Great.
Well, the cup snake may have gone viral in recent years.
Fans have been creating cup snakes since at least the late 1960s.
And basically what happens is one fan will be like, it's like the seventh ending stretch
and they're just like, I everybody throw me your beer cups.
Let's make a snake.
So they just start stacking it and they stretch us up and connects fans together because they're
interacting with each other and they're coming together to see how big of a snake they can
make.
Okay, cool.
But there's also probably a downside in that people end up drinking too much.
No, no way.
That shouldn't happen.
That's illegal.
Right.
How could they?
Okay.
Act two.
Oh, okay.
Fan zones, names, nicknames.
Why do they call themselves what they do?
Why?
I don't know.
Why would you think I'd know I'm here to learn?
I was about to ask you a question.
Okay.
Okay.
What do you got?
Did your fan base decide the name themselves or did you name them?
They tried.
Put a stop of that shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's stupid names.
Whatever they got right now is dumb.
And even if I came up with their dumb for believing in it, didn't they like try and call
themselves the pliers?
That's so stupid.
I feel like that was one of the names like early on in your YouTube career that I'm
like, where are the pliers?
Come.
I hate that.
And they just started putting plier at the end of their own names.
Like they should feel bad about themselves for even wanting to do that.
I mean, Ethan's got his cranky crew.
He would hate to say you would have anything referred to as that.
I know.
Well, the bad he would be he would abhor that.
Well, anyway, the Bengals have Houde nation.
Okay, sure.
So the Bengals fan base named themselves after the iconic rallying cry heard across the
jungle on game day, which is Houde Houde Houde.
Houde think going to beat them bangles.
And then it's no buddy.
The exact origins of Houde are unknown.
It started popping up in the early 1980s when the Bengals had an unusually good season.
Unusually good.
Okay.
The popular theory is that it's an abbreviation of Houdepole or Houde Beer, which was a Cincinnati
native beer in the cheap beer.
And so beer vendors would shout Houde and eventually was picked up by the fans who
morphed it into Houde.
But there's also another theory that it was stolen from the New Orleans Saints Houdat.
But that theory is dead wrong because Houde came first.
Okay.
Duke University have the Cameron crazies.
So if you attend a Duke basketball game, you'd better be prepared from the chaos and shenanigans
of the student section filled with about 1200 ride or dive, blue paint covered student fans.
And the name Cameron crazy comes from Cameron indoor stadium where the blue Devils basketball
games are played.
The Devils are also benefited fitting from their fans who have a history of taunting
and cheering in creative ways, such as a time in 1984 when they threw lingerie and condoms
at an imposing team member who had been under suspicion of improper advances on a female
classmate.
Okay.
Interesting.
So how did that affect that player?
I mean, I mean, that would definitely get in my head because then you're not thinking about
the game you're thinking about the stuff you're dealing with off the field.
Okay.
So getting their head, it would work.
It would work.
You're not wrong about that.
But also at the same time, isn't that a little rude?
Isn't that a little hazardous?
Yeah.
I never said I supported the Duke fan base.
I'm just saying what they did.
Okay.
All right.
Some Duke players would turn to the opposing coach until the Duke's coach lost it and shouted
at them shut up.
So while some may say that the Cameron crazies can go too far sometimes, you can't deny that
they're crazy supportive of their team.
Okay.
Well, I mean, you might be able to deny that.
There's a difference between being supportive of your team and being a villain to the other
team.
Well, what about what about camaraderie?
What about like good sports and all that?
Well, now we go to the Cleveland Browns.
They're good.
Of course.
They've suffered deeply for a long time.
Okay.
And they have their fan zone called the dog bound the bleachers section behind the east
end zone in the Cleveland Browns stadium and it formed in the 1980s from a joke during
a Browns training camp that led to defensive linebackers and linemen barking when they
would get a sack.
Mm hmm.
So this quickly spread to fans and the rest is history.
And so when the new stadium was built, they built the dog pound as an officially recognized
part of the stadium packed with rabid fans who have been known for their exuberance and
misbehavior, paltina posin teams with dog food, milk bones and other random objects leading
to dog food being banned in the stadium at one point.
All right.
Fascinating.
That seems again hazardous to incur.
What if you took the worst parts of your fan base on the internet and you just encouraged
and cultivated that part of it and now think of all the youtubers that that comes springs
to mind.
And that's like, is that really what you want to do?
So there are ways in which teams will create this.
They're the rough and rowdy fans and you know, people in general with group think end up
escalating too far, but you have to reel them in.
And so by having it designated as a zone, you pay attention to who's going in there and
you can find out where and how to dampen that.
So in some ways, there's a positive mentality to the fact that you create that area.
And there's a number of different fan bases like FC Cincinnati has their fan base that
they have a rowdy group there, but it's always just chanting.
I've never seen them do anything like improper.
And the thing is you get the right people in there.
They self-regulate because they don't want to be known for that negative thing.
So if somebody does something wrong, then they're all everybody else in that group is
like, no, no, no, no, no.
We're better than that.
And they shut it down.
That happens.
Yeah, I know it happens.
These are just in particular parts where fans take it too far.
And the next one takes it too far are the Raiders.
And I'm just going to skip over them because I don't want Raiders fans coming after me.
Oh, they're that bad, huh?
Are you afraid?
Are you afraid?
They're fine.
They're afraid.
All right, fine.
Take that you stupid Raiders fans.
Come at me.
I don't know anything.
Is that a football team?
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah, I don't even know what team it is.
That's how unpopular the Raiders are.
Am I going to die?
They're fine.
You know, their fan spot is only called the black hole.
Well, so long as I don't fall into the event horizon of your stupid butthole, I'm not going
to be hurt at all.
Come at me.
Am I going to die?
Am I a dead man?
I don't know.
Don't go to Vegas anytime soon and don't go to Oakland.
All right.
Okay.
So it started as a few friends, but it's grown into a horde of dedicated Raiders fans.
Okay.
Clad and black, mini with intimidating costumes, which is like think Viking Raiders.
And then think also super punk metal so that they have spikes everywhere and weaponry.
All right.
And weaponry.
Wait, that's an important detail.
What if what?
So the black hole fans show up to support the Raiders.
Many clad in such paraphernalia and not daunted even by the team moving from Oakland to Las
Vegas.
The black hole is turned into more than just a fan zone in a stadium growing into an international
organization of Raiders fans with 35 chapters in the US and across the globe.
I've heard many stories of the black hole and people running into Raiders fans and them
being scary.
Okay.
Cool.
Good.
Very intimidating in your face.
Just like they had the team with the iron curtain that or no, that was the Steelers.
What was the Raiders one called?
I don't know.
But they were they were known for cheap shots and dirty hits and bad play.
So.
Oops.
Anyway, act three, the final act team reliance on fans fans have an impact on the game.
We know this by the loudness, the fact that the fan zones will throw things at opposing
teams.
Don't do that.
Don't be that person.
But they'll use taunts and do different things to try and psychologically get in people's
head to break them out of their zone.
Fans cheering can pump up the team and energize their team.
They can be used to encourage an unprompted chanting, lifting their spirits and potentially
improving a player's performance.
This is psychologically proven in the sense that when you go to the gym and you have a
workout buddy, I think your expenditure and the much you output, you get like a 10% better
workout or greater.
Mm hmm.
One, you don't want to fail in front of somebody because then there's a greater shame in there.
And two, you have somebody who's yelling in your ear and encouraging you.
Mm hmm.
Screaming actually, just like as loud as they possibly could in your ear.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I think that energized crowd can almost create a sort of positive electricity that
boosts their team's energy.
I don't know if you've ever experienced it, Mark, but when I've been like doing sports
and stuff and I'm like last ditch effort, especially in wrestling and all of a sudden
your coach is like, you can do it.
Get there.
All of a sudden you get that extra spurt of energy.
Oh, which is not necessarily a you can do it means run, run away.
Run as fast as you can.
Yeah.
I'm not really an encouragement.
You're losing.
Get to the edge.
Get out of bounds.
But in a study published by the National Library of Medicine, it was found that the
average home team points collected dropped by 8% when a crowd wasn't present.
So like during COVID, they didn't have the fan energy on the flip side, the crowd booing
and taunting and opposing team can have a debilitating effect on players throwing them
off their game if they aren't prepared and focused.
It can also be deafening and it drowns out any on field communication and can lead to
false starts.
This is something that can happen with the NFL in helmet headsets are used to combat this,
but sometimes you'll even see quarterbacks need to cover the holes for the their helmet
to be able to hear what the coach is trying to relay through the headset.
Okay.
But there's also a negative effect.
Some players don't do well under pressure and when they have the weight of the tens of
thousands of people calling out and reacting to what you do, sometimes people crumble.
An example of the impact the fans can have is when the Detroit Lions hosted Monday night
football for the first time in nine years and the crowd was so deafening, the opposing
team, the Chicago Bears had nine false starts.
The Lions ended up winning 2413 and the head coach dedicated the game ball to the fans.
According to Lawrence Jackson, a defensive end for the Lions game stated in their view,
the fans.
They just went crazy.
The entire night with the penalties they were forcing, it was special.
I think that was probably the most energetic game I've ever played in.
And nine false starts.
That's five yards per fall start.
That's almost half of football field in lost yards.
The other team had down.
It can have a tremendous impact.
Significant.
Okay.
Interesting.
And that was all because of the fans.
It was because of the fans because they were so loud players can't hear when the quarterback
does their snap count.
And so they think they hear it or they try and anticipate it and they jump off sides.
Interesting.
Or the team will call timeout because they can't communicate the audible to the different
players.
So, okay.
Delaya games are another way that that can happen.
But those fan interactions and those fan zones and the hype and excitement fans can immensely
affect the game.
Just like with how potentially Lee and Hart was affected when he started hearing the fans.
Jarvis when everybody's shouting Aaron and stuff like that.
Or it can also be the opposite effect because a lot of people were cheering for Marisha or
Marisha and Haley came in there and just was like, uh-uh.
Yeah.
Just laser focused.
Not even paying attention to it.
So yeah, it could be either way.
I have no idea.
I've never been in a situation where people really needed to cheer or boo for me when I
go up on stage.
So, I don't know how it would be affected.
But Mark, you are affected by it.
You thrive off of fuck you energy.
Okay.
How people have treated you in the various industries and various avenues you try to
get into and how people have been like, you can't do it.
You go, I'll show you that is because of fan interaction.
Possibly.
It's usually from people, not necessarily fans.
It's usually from people in industries that or in more of a professional setting that is
just like, you can't do this.
And it's like, yeah, right.
I can't.
And most of the time nowadays, it's just like silly to me that anyone thinks that I can't
because it's like, you know, I've done so much.
You have no idea what I've been through.
Like, you think that I'm even going to give you the time of day, like of listening to
you when I'm already halfway done when I'm already done filming this movie and it's like
things like that.
So yeah, I do get off of fuck you energy, but very rarely from fans, I would say.
Because there's always been like criticism on the internet.
And one of my, one of my like, apparently superpowers on the internet is never being
affected by negative criticism.
For some reason, I'm just like totally fine with that because they don't know me and I
don't know them.
And therefore there's perfect strangers.
So it's like, I have no, no, no desire to listen to their opinion.
So I, I, I'm able to ignore it.
And for some reason that's strange.
Yeah.
But then again, I've never really been a situation where my fans are just booing me straight
up.
So who knows?
I've definitely seen you in different sport things where, you know, somebody's rooting
for somebody else and you're like, I'll show you.
I've definitely seen that when I don't even know when I mean dating back to like wrestling.
I've definitely seen it when like, I mean, it's, it's always, anytime I've seen you seemingly
be discounted, I think there's one time where it was like, Oh, you can't beat me in a race
or something.
And you're like, Oh,
maybe may have a lot of it's like dating back to the high school days more than anything.
I definitely saw it on the football field for sure.
When we did the backyard football stuff.
Yeah, I've never done any, any sports for a while, but yeah, for sure.
Yeah, but yeah, that's, that's what I got.
That's the fan interaction.
Because if I continue down the other stuff, we get into the home field advantage episode.
Okay.
That's a different episode that we'll talk about later.
All right.
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