Luge Primer

Hello, elegant listeners. What are we starting? I mean, I was, oh, I didn't know. Go ahead. Oh, hello, elegant listeners. And welcome to go, my favorite sports team, your favorite illustrious sports podcast, both for sports people and not sports people alike. I'm Tyler Scheid and I am your, you know, expert host, your master of sports, king of balls and holes galore, the man with the know how, the man with the master's degree. And I am joined by the ever so handsome and talented Mark. Man, this is the most complimentary intro we've ever had. I usually talk shit to you, like in the opening five minutes and just like try to batter you down to make myself feel better. But now we both feel good. Yeah, we had a really good conversation before all of this. I don't know why I started on conversation, but I did. And it was just one of those things that it was like, you know, it's good to see you. It's good to be able to have some actual like hang out and talk about other things besides work, even though we kind of just talk about each other just like passions in our work. I'm getting like the vibes of a prisoner in solitary confinement. And the door opens for the first time in a month. It's so good to see you guard. Oh man, is it food time again? You want to eat with me? Oh, I remember our last conversation a month ago. It was so nice. How's the wife dead? Oh, no, that's just like, yeah. Good job. Anyway, no, it's good to see you too. You're looking handsome. Thank you. Thank you. I think it's delightful. I think that was the first thing I mentioned when I walked in the door is like, I like your pink beanie and I like your GMFST shirt, which is available at store.gmfst.com. Yeah. And I like your eye finger sports hat. I'm not wearing it. Don't lie. Don't lie. I don't know where it is. Somewhere at home. Oh, it might be in my car still. I have. I mean, it's on my head. Oh, yeah. You know what? I'm going to order five more of them just you have one in every location. You're like, oh, I could just grab it. I do like it. It's just like I also like this one. Yeah, I've started to accessorize. So I have a blue jacket and I wear this blue hat that I'm currently wearing. So I'm trying to like be a little more fashionable. Nice. Nice. That's something I need to work on. Yeah. And we also need to do an episode eventually on sports fashion, but that's not today. That's not today? No. No, today we will be talking about another winter sport that don't say anything yet because it's not time for that. The ghosts. No. No. Yes. It's true. People may have loved the love primer. Was it called the love primer? No, it was the is dating a sport. Oh, okay. Because that's basically what this one this jacuse says in front of me. The love primer literally like and I was like, that's a good name for it. Amethyst render love primer would be a good book for like a sex therapy book or like a learning to love in the modern age kind of book. Yeah. It's how to how to reach orgasm and climax. Let's know. That is not what it was. It's a primer on love. Isn't that? Oh, I guess that'd be a primer on love. Necessarily tied to set. Yeah, that's different. That's different. Okay. That's fair. That's different. Yeah. Primer on love is how you pervert you pervert pervert. This is a PG rated podcast, probably not. There's no way. There's no way. Yeah, there's no way. But anyway, amethyst render said jacuse on the love primer lacking an important reference. I am extremely disappointed. How dare you guys discuss the quote sport of dating and not once mentioned the age old allegory of the baseball bases to the stages of a relationship. I went into this episode patiently waiting for Mark to make a witty joke about what his mythical fifth base would stand in for a relationship and was bitterly disappointed. Shame Mark. Shame. No, this is huge. Cuse get you. I'm mean. What did I do? You didn't bring it up. Wow, we got Tyler's true laugh. No, I didn't even think about this. I guess this is egg on my face. What would the fifth base be in love? Because first base it's French. What? Yeah. So the way I've always done basis is it's the four F's of friendship. French feel finger. Fuck. I hate that. I hate that you said that. Never say that again. All right. It's like making out was what I know. Yeah. French. French. French. You know, making out over the clothes, under the clothes doesn't have to be that specific. Oh, and then you know, home run is who sucks. All right. Yeah. Okay. So so what would the fifth ain't? Three some? No, no, no, no. Add more people. No, no, no. Because three some's like that's that wouldn't be for everybody. I'm not the type of person. But has ever had like a fantasy about a threesome because I feel like it would be too much responsibility for me. I think mine is more like, yeah, because you're trying to deal with multiple people at once. And it's like, I'm trying to deal with multiple people. I like you're juggling them in the air. And then a fourth person works like, I can't handle it. I'm going to drop one. No, it's just like mythical fifth basis when you ascend five feet into the air, just like baseball lightning shoots out of your fingers and your dick or respective genies. Wait, wait, the fifth base. Maybe it's like some sort of major kink. No, because that would be so isolated. Everyone has different kinks. Yeah, that's true. We're not going to do a kink primer. So I think we should probably move off from this to cues a little bit. Anyway, I'm sorry for Tyler's twisted mind, his perverted nature, his true laugh emerged when he was really, really experiencing what he feels inside. Anyway, this is a related to cues from Lizzy the loser, Tyler, my beloved boy, my sweet summer child. Oh, how could you go through the whole Valentine's Day episode without mentioning Aphrodite or St. Valentine? Truly stumbling on the playing field of love and how iconic they are to love in the holiday. Also thanks GMF SD for getting me. My partner, this podcast does in fact attract mates. Wow. Hey, that's why we did the dating primer, apparently. Yeah, you know, well, the love primer. Well, that's that's yeah. Well, first of all, Aphrodite is a Greek goddess. There's no need to mention it. It's the goddess of love. There's there's multiple goddesses of love across multiple different cultures. There's really no reason in the context of what we were talking about to mention that. The St. Valentine thing and Valentine's Day, I can kind of understand, but let's be honest, the real reason Valentine's Day exists is like Mark explained. They needed a holiday between Christmas and whatever the next holiday was, what St. Patrick's Day. As you could even call that one. Yeah. That's not really a shopping holiday. What they needed was a shopping holiday where people buy people presents and really it's like until like there's really not much present buying. So February, you know, 14th was like the excuse to, oh, you got to get at least one present. It's just not a very high consumer time of the year. Oh, yeah, it's ridiculous. Lizzy the loser. What are you talking about? Yeah, how dare you? Yeah, how dare you? So we got another one here. Weasel radio. What in good grievous travesty call it a dequeuse for both of you, but how could you release a non football related episode the week of the Super Bowl, only the biggest event of the football calendar. And we get an episode on dating being a sport. I get that these are prerecorded, but this event doesn't just pop up that week. He's listen, we're not an American sports podcast. We're not a football podcast. We're an illustrious sports of the world podcast. And if there's one thing you need to note, we covered it last year. There's nothing really to add. What am I going to be like? Oh, it's the Chiefs versus the Eagles and then get in the details of each team and Mark just sits there drooling out of his mouth, not understanding a damn word that I'm saying. And the majority of the listeners also doing the same thing and then being like, Oh, I'm not going to listen. This is kind of just re hashing what we already talked about. Now we expand across the globe and examine all of the sport that exists out there. I'm not just some stubborn American. That's like my sports only. We like to give everybody their deal. And my excuses. I didn't even know the Super Bowl with this weekend. So I mean, that's also valid because most people want both teams to lose, including me. Fair enough. I don't think that's an outcome, but maybe there's a rule that I didn't hear about in the primer and I would be Tyler fault. Not mine. All right. Last one by Saint Solé. Oh, Tyler isn't French. Okay, Tyler, you liar. After listening to the episode on curling and dating, I'm beginning to think you are one big phony. Clearly, you're not German, but also you're not French twice. Have you mispronounced? I've tweeted this to you telling you how to pronounce it and you saw it. It's chamomie. Chamonie. I've been there. I think it's time you come clean and stop your lies. What are you, Tyler? What are you human? No, what a what box do we put you in? Put me in the box of myself. I'm just me. It's solitary confinement. Okay, back in the hole. All right. And the ghosts have been purged for another week. They're satiated. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Most of them lost battle. 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Because doubles and team relay can be multi. So there's no specific rules stating that athletes must be of the same gender or sex to compete in the doubles. But I think team relay, yeah, team relay has both. Okay. The way team relay works. So 2022 was the first Olympic lose without a single competitor from Switzerland or Great Britain, which are the countries that probably started it all historically. So act one. Okay. The first losers. The first losers. So who did it first? Well, some of the earliest accounts of sledding are the use of sleds by Simbrick, probably a Northern Germanic tribe who slid down the sides of mountains to attack. To it. Yeah. And lose to the Romans in 103 BC. They slid down mountains to attack and lose. Yeah, they lost. They ended up losing. But they didn't attack to lose. So that's why you implied. They attacked away. All right, guys, we're not going to win this one. We're going to look good doing it. So how do you? If they just look up the mountain, they're going to know where they're coming from. I think their plan was flawed from the beginning. Well, they slid down on their shields. So they use their shields of sleds. So they didn't have them up ready when the spears were there. Well, I imagine, you know, it's like, even if it's not a circular sled, those things move and spin. You have no control over them. So I just imagine I'm like, I'm going to get there on there behind me. Yeah. What really did them in was it wasn't very intimidating instead of a battle cry. They were going, and then that was the beginning of the end. Yeah. Yeah, the sled was an unsterable plank that was pretty universal until the 1800s. Yeah. The first recorded references to sled racing appear in writings from Norway in 1480 and the Urz mountain region in 1552. Okay. Kind of like cave paintings and markings and different stuff along those lines. But there's also a couple of sources that say loose sleds were invented by the Vikings. Okay. And they were designed to slide down the sides of mountains and also fazure. I don't know how to say that word and I probably butchered it because I'm terrible with it. That's fine. This is what we expect from Tyler every day. But many mark this as the early and very practical use of sleds, which something that is both ancient and widespread. They used it in hunting practices and they used it in races for fun. And they also used it just to transport gear and equipment and belts and all of that. Yeah. So a lot of people mark Vikings as having the first loose sled type races, believed to have taken place in 800 AD or CE. If you believe or whatnot, I don't care. Would Vikings compete in sled races on the mountains along the fazure's near present day Oslo? I think it just forwards, but it's FJ ORDS. These loose sleds were invented by the Vikings. They were not aerodynamic, but they were extremely heavy and strong for high speeds. So I imagine that any society though with snow and a mountain would have done some form of sledding. Yeah. But I guess in writing, the only thing we have to go off is like the written accounts and what it is. Right. And so it's the specific type of sled. So the way a loose sled looks is it's like, you know those metal running with wood top sleds that had like a steering thing in the front? But toboggan. Yeah, toboggan. So those were the original loose style sleds. Okay. It is often cited that the sportalooge originated in health spa town of St. Maurice, Switzerland in the late 19th century through the endeavors of hotel entrepreneur, Casper Badroop. Wow, that sounded great. I would believe that that was correct. You said it with confidence and that's what you got to do. You just got to say it with confidence. So they even people from that country can't protest because you're so confident. So he's marked not as the innovator, but the person whose business practices helped to draw in clientele, which led to the development of sports like luge and skeleton, which luge and skeleton are similar in the sense that luge is feet for a skeleton's head first. Okay. Got if you had the option, you're like in Switzerland for the first time. I was like, Oh, what should I do? Well, you can either luge or skeleton death death or fun or maybe or maybe you want a quick death or a slow that this is not a Swiss. You want the quick death or slow death either way. So these towns were being used as summer resorts by aristocrats aristocrats. I think of the movie too. Yeah, I think of aristocrats. I don't think of aristocrats. So they're from all over Europe for their clean, temperate alpine air, but sasbarr or Casper. I don't remember what I said before. You said sasbarr. I thought that was leaving money on the tables as it was empty during the winter time. So it's a mountainous region. So he decided to sell the idea of winter resorting as well as rooms with food, drink and activities like skiing, all the different activities that were there and sledding and all of those. So these tourists who when they weren't skiing began adapting delivery boys sleds for recreation. So they took these sleds down picturesque mountains, often right onto the main roads in town. Oh wow. Which led to collisions with pedestrians as they sped down the lanes and alleys of the village. Yes, all over the roads and walkways. Wow, they're just trying to embody their ancestors who attacked from the mountains. So needless to say, the townspeople were very annoyed about the great fun that these rich tourists were having. Damn, tourists. I mean, that sounds great. I mean, why wouldn't you do that? I imagine at some point some of them were like, how many people can I take out? Oh, I'm sure there's always that noose bag to stew in that dates back to the points system that we joke about when you're driving cars like, Oh, 10 points for hitting this person, 20 for that one. I would like to say I've never heard of this. You don't actually hit people, but you've never just when you're driving a car and like people are walking in the way and it's like, Oh, that person's got a stroller. That's like 60 points. My God, what's wrong with you? You don't actually do it. What is wrong with you? Nothing. I'm not the only one that does it. Uh huh. I want to know the names of the others that do. Everyone doesn't mind everyone does. I did play that there was a game a long time ago called Carmageddon that its entire point was that you hit and maim and kill people. That's the basis of the joking game that people talked about in their cars. I'm sure. It is. God, I haven't even thought of a car. I'm again in a while. I did play a ton of that. So I can't say that I'm totally innocent here. They need to add a new one. It's called Lugeageddon. Lugeageddon. The spiritual sequel. Yeah, I know that that game is horrible. I'm not. I'm not one of those people like, Oh, forlinson video, because I played that as a kid. And then a few years later, I was thinking about it. I'm like, that's really messed up. That's really messed up game. I don't know if I like that. Yeah, don't hit people with vehicles. Period. The two characters of that game name, you want to know what they are? It's max damage and die Anna. I thought you were going to say Casper Baruch. I was like, no, it's Casper's in here. They referenced him. That's him. No, no. Anyway, off topic. All right. So two excellent books on Luge. Delven to the history of sport were written in 1894. Both were penned by Englishmen and carry a bit of English superiority. By their accounts, Davos had become a recreational ski resort by the 1880s. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, creator of Sherlock Holmes, was an early Davos skier and publicized the sport in some of his articles. And here's a quote from it. The nature of the Englishman is competition. Oh, wait, that's this is a different person. You're actually a digital area. Keep going. This is Harry Gibson, not Doyle. So the nature of the Englishman is competition. Harry Gibson and tobogganing on crooked runs with a riding, driving, walking, running or sliding down a hill. He must race. Otherwise, the amusement pause on him. He was probably more cockney. Demise named Paul was on him. Where he's running, walking, and screaming, slipping, losing. Yeah, don't be don't give him such a aristocratic old voice there. I would probably. To these late 1800s writers, the toboggan was the overall category of equipment and there could be many types of tobogans. Of all the carried kinds of sport, which men in their incessant search after amusement have discovered, those which have taken the most lasting hold and attained the greatest perfection appear to be the various forms of rapid motion. Upon earth or water, in which one man's strength or skill can be tested against another's, writes Theodore Andrea Cook. Upon earth and water, the man's skills can be tested against another. I don't even know. You started, Scott, as you went, like you went the full British Isles there. You circled the whole thing without ever stepping foot on the land of the UK. You just swam. I really went in the the rapid motion upon water. Water. Water. This was in the other 1894 book. This is a good book. I can't get a book. According to some accounts, it was in devos that toboggan races had been held to the great entertainment of tourists in the early 1880s. This is further backed by the first modern race originating in devos. So the appointed to first modern lose race was in Switzerland in 1883, although it was called a toboggan race at the time. It was organized by the hotels in Davos held on a road between Davos and the nearby village of clusters. 21 competitors representing seven nations. Austria, Sweden, Netherlands, England, Germany, Switzerland and the US. The track for the race covered approximately four kilometers between Davos and the nearby village that was clusters. And it took place all the way from the towns of St. Wolfgang to clusters, 2.5 miles. The track? Yeah. Whoa. And it was all on like the roads and streets and mountainsides. Oh, so they didn't even have like the curve to like walls and stuff like this right now. They were just like, no, no roads. So the way they did the tracks back then, and I have a picture of this, if you want to see it, is they just built up, they dug in and built up these giant snow walls. Oh. That's what I'm looking at is a plowed road where all the snow from plowing or just built up straight on the sides as high as it can so they don't slope out. So it is looking like straight walls on each side of it. Yeah. And it's just hard packed snow. Okay. All right. That particular course that I just showed you is actually the cresto run, the crester run cresta cresta run cresta run and it still stands today. Okay. So hotel operators in nearby St. Maurice took notice of the fact that Davos was doing that. And according to the St. Moritz tobogganing club in the winter of 1884 through 1885, five guests of the column hotel formed an outdoor amusement committee and built a sled racing course to compete with Davos, which became the cresta run. It carries English private school vibe with the names of featured areas within this curvy downhill track. These are still used in traditional natural lose runs today. The shuttle cock. The shuttle cock. The battle door and the terrace. Okay. So the cresta run was initially a sliding run, but it became so popular that it soon changed. Andrea Cook, the same person who wrote that last one I read, wrote, machines going down an ever increasing rapidity were found to wear away the banks too fast. Little by little, the run became not merely iced, but actual ice, which meant more speed and consistency. In slide runs were constructed of ice, which was celebrated by the speed junkies. But mourned by those that noted that a hilarious spill into a pillowy snow is more fun than a crash into hard unforgiving ice. Alright, interesting. How hard and unforgiving. Like stone. So was the crash part of the event? Absolutely. It's part of the sport. Oh, why? Because it's funny when you hit a pillowy snow patch. For who? Both the brighter and the onlooker. I mean, it was fun for the rider to hit people. Oh, I don't know. So maybe the people are getting their revenge by turning the walls into ice. Well, we can't generalize and say it was fun for all of them, but you know, maybe some of them. Yeah. Anyway, the first recorded use of the term lose dates back to 1905 and derives from the Savoy and Swiss dialect of a French word that word being lose, meaning small coasting sled. No, the sport is also called lose toboggany, but abbreviated to lose for most people because toboggan needs a long word that type out. Okay. Fair enough. Governing into the sport didn't start until 1913 with the founding of the International Sleds Sport Federation. And it governed all sledding sports, including Bob sled and skeleton. Shortly after the finding of the ISSF in 1914, the first European lose championships were held in Reichenfell's Austria, involving single and double cedar events. Here in 1935, the ISF merged into the Federation International Day Bob sled at toboggany. FIBT. Yeah. FIBT. FIBT. FIBT. In 1955, lose had its first world championship held in Oslo, Norway. And two years later in 1957, lose just officially split off from the FITB and made its own governing body. Federation International Day, lose the course. FIL. Okay. Interesting. Now it started spreading overseas. It was 1950s when it eventually spread to Canada. Okay. That's that I would have thought there would be first because you mentioned a tournament before they had the US in it. Yeah, the first actual race had the US within it, but not Canada, but not Canada. Interesting. So it was spread by Bob sledder Vic Emory, who introduced the sport at a ski area in Quebec. He went on to be the first Olympic Bob sled medalist in 1964 winter games and was the first Canadian lose champion. Damn. Canada did not participate in the inaugural Olympic competition of 1964, but made it stay but you four years later in the 1968 winter games in Grenoble, France. Damn. And he placed team high 31st in men's competition and 12th in the women's event. Canada did. Damn. So this was surprisingly slow to adopt the sport with the first lose run in North America being built at low, low hot springs, Montana in 1965. Although the United States competed in every Olympic lose event from 1964 to 1976, it wasn't until 1979 that the United States formed their lose association. They also created their first American track was completed in the year that they used it for the 1980 winter Olympics at Lake Placid, New York. Since then, the US lose program has been greatly improved with a second artificial track built in Park City, Utah for the 2002 winter games in Salt Lake City. Okay. Lose slides over the years. Early slides were often made of wood and were called Swiss sleds with wooden runners designed like two fixed skis attached upon a wooden platform for the loser to sit or lie upon. Originally, when these races first started out, everybody just sat on the slide. Yeah, it wasn't until later. They're like, Oh, aerodynamics. Oh, yeah, that way we can't see where we're going. Just trust that the wall will just turn. Why even have the sled just go? Like a squeeze tight and go down. It's like a water slide. So as the desire for faster and faster sleds erodes, they began to evolve with metal runners becoming the earliest improvement, which English writers from 1964 do acknowledge that some Americans had brought a metal runner sled, which became known as the America. Okay. Happened to be around the time of the invention of the flexible flyer sled in America, the America. Wow. So it happened to be around the invention of the flexible flyer sled, which was created in Philadelphia. So it's clear that the United States and its wealthy tourists were involved in speed improvements. Cool. Eventually they moved away from a combination of wooden metal to involving plastics. And today, loose sleds sit lower, made of lighter weight materials with plastic and fiberglass construction. And they're fitted with wide runners under the skis, only faced with steel, which you think heavier, but they want lighter, right? Yeah. I'll explain when we get into the time. Well, I mean heavier makes sense because like if it can, all it has to fight is air resistance, right? Yeah. And if it's friction and friction on the ice. Well, yeah, that would be more. But what I learned recently about skating is the blades are not a knife blade. Yeah. They're flat on the bottom. Yeah. And it's like curling where it's melting. Well, and that's not curling because it's the droplets for curling, but for skating, it's actually melting the ice as it goes. So for a faster, you kind of want more pressure because it's going to melt the ice where it's going down and it instantly refuses behind it. But that's how skates work and can carve at speed is they're not cutting the ice. They are melting it and skating on a bubble. And probably the bugs will be the same way and more weight would work for that, right? You would think that, but there's a level because there's a balancing act, right? Because if you have too much weight, then you're digging in too deep and increasing your friction coefficient instead of decreasing it. It's like a balancing act. You want to be able to create the water, but at the same time, not dig in too deep to where you're suddenly scraping hard against the front edge. Yeah, that's true. So the Olympics, despite a long history and well established competitions in Switzerland, Germany and Austria, lose and appear into the Olympic Games until 1964 in endsbrook winter games with men's women's and mixed events taking place on their own track. So many critics complained that the sport was too dangerous and protested the fact that lose was being added until then. Most loose competitions took place on iced alpine roads and sometimes on tracks with bank sidewalls like the Krestor one run like the original one with the plowed roads. Yeah, the traditional form of the sport evolved into the two disciplines. Like luge, which is now run on the same run as the Bob Sluts. Okay. And now I'm going to ask like Bob sledding sounds very similar to this. I imagine they had to have come from the same origin similar, but different. So Bob sled existed before lose it. Oh, why are we talking about Bob's like seems like if we go back to the history of lose, we got to talk about Bob's wedding, right? But lose foundation had nothing to do with Bob sledding. It was founded on its own natural. Are you sure? Yes, sure about that. I did the research. Are you sure they're so similar? It's going downhill. Who's to say the guys on the shields who went down and attacked and died? They, they, they, some of their survivors win one when Bob sledding one win losing. Well, I guess we'll find out when I finished doing the Bob sled one. All right. Fair enough. Because lose in skeleton were founded around the same time, but there's no citation in the history of luge on Bob sled other than this part, the Olympics. Okay. The natural track is the loser guides a sled through unbanked curves, much like the Krestor one with the flat walls down a flat twisting natural ice track. So there's a authentic natural lose run in Muskegon, Michigan that a lot of people that I know have actually gone down it because our, my Boy Scout troop used to go there and stay within a, why is there a submarine in Michigan? But there was a submarine in Michigan and that's why they stayed there. I don't know. Like is it surrounded by lakes and they do have access to the Atlantic Ocean? So I guess, how big a submarine we talking about here? It's a military submarine that can fit like 30 people sleeping on. So it's pretty big. So these are obviously often located on mountain roads paths. Wait, why is there, I must have missed something. Did they take the submarine down the mountain? I don't know. Did they Bob sled in the submarine? No, but there's a summer. I, it was just the story is there's a lose track near this submarine that my Boy Scout troop stayed. It was finishing the story in my head. There was no connection. There wasn't, there wasn't a submarine that was picked up by a, that's how, that's how Bob sled came about. They took a submarine down it. Yeah, exactly. I see. It makes perfect sense. Conversely, the artificial track is the Olympic runs, which is just the Bob sled run using high tech artificially refrigerated surfaces with banked things. In 1976, lose begins to use the same track as Bob sled. All the other Olympics before 1976 had their own runs created. They were not using the same run as the Bob sleds. Okay, I see. Acts two. All right. Time to lose. Time to lose. Baby Mark climbing up the hill all bundled up with my winter clothing stomp. I see after I get to the top of the mountain, I see one half is dedicated to apparently Bob sledding and I don't want to do that. And I see lose. All right. And there's a lose coach standing there. Well, you're missing the first part. What mark you need to go build your sled. So the coach said, put Jabs finger in the baby marker, get back down there and go build your sled. Now he points to the shed in the wood in the trees over there and gives you an axe. He goes, get to work. I see. Okay. So it's like a rocky training montage. I got chopped down my tree. Okay. But this is clear direction at least is different than previous experiences. Oh, yeah. This is built for baby Mark. Right. This is for baby Mark. Ah, interesting. Starting off rather intense, but all right. I cut down a tree. Ah, what do I do? All right. You have wood, metal, plastic and fiberglass. Your max weight of this lead is 23 kilograms, 50 pounds for singles or 59.5 pounds for doubles, 27 kilograms. Okay. You're built in it for singles. Okay. The maximum width from side to side is 550 millimeters. Can't go too wide. Okay. All right. And the maximum height from the surface is 120 millimeters. Ah, all right. Okay. No, the maximum height, the length, like the length of the sled from front to back. Why is it say height? That would be a length. Anyway, components of the sled. All right. So you got to build runners. These are the part of the sled that are made from fiberglass. Okay. These are the main steering mechanisms that help the slider maneuvering the slippery slopes. They are manufactured in one continuous piece. All right. Then you have the bridge. The bridge connects your runners to the sled. There's sometimes angle doing chair mobility and the manufacturing metal used to build a bridge is steel because you want those runners to stay on there. Right. And you got your pod. It's a part you lay up on. It's made of fiberglass. You want it light. Wait, where are you yelling at me? I'm just a baby. That's why you got to have your plank on your coach. I don't think a child should be working with fiberglass. But all right. All right. Your steals that needs to go underneath those runners. That's what touching the surface of the ice. Do I, what tree do I chop that down? No, we have, we have them out here. You got a forage. You got your blacksmithing table. All right. This is forage in the fire. Okay. Then you got to have your grips. You got to be able to hold on to something. Otherwise, you know, slow down. Also, you're off the sled. Okay. And you can't finish the race off the sled. You're disqualified. Oh. And then you have your bow. This is where your calves rest against the front. They're a little scoopy uppies that you see on the front of like Christmas sleds and stuff like that. Okay. All right. They're used for steering. You need to be able to push your calves against them to kind of bend the runners so that you can turn using your calves. Okay. Because it's not just shifting body weight. This also helps. Okay. So you're steering wheel, make sure those are built sturdy. Okay. And ready to have your calves press against them. All right. Okay. All right. So your runner needs to be 50 millimeters wide. All right. That's what you want. You know, big long and 65 millimeters in height. They're long and they're wide. Well, 55 millimeters, not that long. 50 millimeters. Still not that long. That's the bottom. That's five centimeters. Yeah. Yeah. And that's 65 millimeters height. Not very big. Yeah. No, it's very small. You said it should be very long. And it's not different things. It's very small. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Steels width. 23 millimeters. You want a flat. 31 millimeters max. Like I said, the surface needs to be flat because you got to be able to melt that ice and float on water. Okay. Hand guards. Got to be outside the runners. Starting from the middle portion of the bridge to the front portion of the bridge. All right. Okay. That's your side. What was a runner again? The runner is the long thing that your steel sit underneath. Okay. The fiberglass thing. Where was the wood? You'd know what anymore. You sent me to chop down this tree. Where was the wood? The wood is for the forge. The fire. The metal. You got to get the heat. What doesn't burn hot enough for that? The go. You got to make it into charcoal and then burn the coal. Okay. All right. Technically, I think would work. All right. Now you got to gather your gear. Oh, my gear. So your slides built. Good job. What tree do I chop down for my gear? None. Just in the storage sled. All right. You got to helm it because all international competitions require a standard ice helmet. Okay. Got to have your face shield because you don't want ice and debris hitting you in the face. So it's got to be clear and it's got to protect you from cold and injuries. Okay. We don't want you scraping up. You got to have your neck strap because those G forces are really going to pull your head to try and hit the ice. Well, I'm a baby. So my neck isn't exactly developed. So you got a bigger neck strap. You got that thick boy that's going to hold your neck up when you're really hitting those G's. Okay. All right. How many G's can a baby? Oh, God. No, you don't. Don't Google that. All right. Now you got your racing gloves. Okay. They're leather. So you got to hunt and then you got to put spikes on them. Why? Because you need to be able to grip the ice and propel yourself forward at the starting line. And I'll explain how that works later. Okay. You got to have your racing suit. It's got skin tight lose outfit. Like what I wore in in space with Markiplier when I was that galactic cat. Sure. All right. That actually was an actual like loose suit. Okay. Booties booties. Yeah, they're called booties. They're your shoes. Okay. They're designed to be lightweight and aerodynamic. The sole of this shoe cannot be more than 20 millimeters thick. Okay. They just why otherwise they don't want people looking too tall on the podium. We can't be cheating on the height. Yeah. It's also designed to aid athletes in keeping their legs in a straight position. So they're like they have support in them so that your feet don't fall and then get caught and then you flip over the front of the sled. Okay. All right. I don't think 20 millimeters is that much support, but okay. The 20 millimeters is the salt. There's actually like in the actual booty shoe that supports so that helps keep your legs straight. Okay. Got it. Now you got to find a track. Luckily you're at one right now, but you got to start small. So take that small one. Okay. I'm taking this forward. All right. So now we're going to talk about how you actually lose. Okay. I'm ready. All right. Start. You sit up straight on the sled and grab your starting handles. So there's a little handle on the outside. Okay. And so you'll slide forward and then pull your lunch yourself back and launch back forward as fast as you can and let go of the handles. Okay. All right. Are the handles like on the ground outside like attached to like. Yeah. They're like, yeah. Like metal rods that stick out with handles at the top. Why do I got to make those? You don't have to make those. You said I had to make those. No, no, no, no. You have to use them. Okay. Dirty there. I made these for you. Oh, thank you coach. So you got to use that stretch shortening cycle. Uh huh. Because then you get more elasticity in the muscle and it really springs you forward. Now once you release those handles, this is where the spikes come in. Okay. You're going to sweep and paddle with your hands at least three times to really kind of pick up even more speed. Could I do it more? No. And once you pass a certain point, it's your disqualified if you do it more. Okay. But you have to do at least three times. So it says three to four times until reaching the end of the launch zone. Uh okay. So if you, it could be less, but you want to try and get in as many as possible to get your speed up at the start as good as possible. So it's Bob's led that they do the pushing and sprinting first. Correct. And then they climb in and lose the launch themselves with the handles and then paddle scrape. Like if you were in a boat and you had no oars, you would just kind of like paddle swim. Like swinging your arms down and into the water. You're doing the same thing, but on the ice surface, so the spikes are there to dig in. I feel like a paraplegic athlete would be great at this. Oh yeah. Like if they're in a wheelchair all the time and they just got to use only their upper body and their low body like is like atrophied and they could go. Yeah. They could really get some speed in there. 100%. Yeah. Wow. And now you got to know how to steer. I'm a baby. I don't know. You got to apply pressure. You know that bridge I was telling you about or not the bridge, the, uh, the bow. That's where you got to apply pressure to the opposite side. So like if you're turning right, you want to apply pressure with your left calf, uh, pushing on the right side of the bow so that you're kind of turning your ski to that side. Okay. You're also going to lean and use your head and shoulders to lean the direction you want to go because weight allows you to be able to shift that. We got to balance because you don't want to fall off your, your sled going 80 miles an hour. Yeah. Is it one blade in the center? No, there's two. Okay. I thought it was like Mario, you know, when he's in the boot in the games and he's just hopping around. I thought that's what it was, but with a ski boot. This is what it kind of looks like. It's like a, a, but rise to its two ski blades on either side. Got it. Yeah. Okay. You see how the bow is where their legs go to the outside of it. Wait, wait, does this thing not? Or is that it? That's it. Are you just holding yourself in like a limbo position the whole time? If you've ever seen like the Planking challenge, you are doing that on your back. It's basically just under your butt. So I'm not fully enclosed. No, oh, oh yeah. I'm, I'm thinking Bob sledding. Oh, yeah. This is why it's dangerous. Oh, there ain't nothing stopping you from flying off. Nope. And there's no breaks. Oh, well, you got your shoesies. Yeah. Your booties. Yeah, your booties, but those are designed to be slick because if they catch the ice when you do that, then you're going to break your leg. All right. So you got to use precise mixes of shifting your body weight and pressure with your calves to be able to turn. Okay. At the bottom of the track, after you cross the finish line, you're going to sit up, kind of put your feet on the ice. They're designed to be slick so you don't stop too fast and you'll lift the sled like in the front so that you're like digging in the back corners of your runners to then slow down. It's going to take a long time. That's why there's a long run out and also trying to stay in control and not falling off of it during this part is also very difficult. It requires even more balance. But that's how you got to try and stop. It's really fun. So it requires balance in patience because you're going to be sliding for a while. I know on this podcast, we've talked about doing these things. Are we going to do this? I mean, are we going to lose? We can. There are smaller runs that you don't go that fast. The one in Muskegon is one of those. They are open to the public during the events. It's not that bad. It's not that bad. Everything you've described sounds like death and date. This is the high tier professional era. Yeah, but they're still like, I know the reason baby Mark is here is because if you want to go to the Olympics, you practically have to start training when you're a child. Yes. And so there are there are lose highly competitive lose youth leagues out there and where kids are cutthroat and trying to go as fast as they can. We can do it. We can do it. No, I mean, I'm saying that would fear. Are we going to do this? Yeah, let's do it. No, let's do it. Oh, come on. Stare fear in the face. No, I'm okay. I think you're going to do fast fears like this right by you. So in the you don't have to do the balancing act that they do in the Olympics like you do here, the skiing and run, I think only gets you up to like maybe 10 miles an hour. So the runs are pretty, pretty easy. Okay, if baby Mark wants to bail or is baby Mark go, like let's say I'm going down and it's shit's bad. How do you get out safely? You just kind of roll off the sled and let the sled go away and then you slowly come to a stop in the track and then everybody yells at you for ruining the track. So not only do it happens in the Olympics, very rare. Oh, this blood all over. Hey, it's better than in a Bob sled. If the Bob sled flips over, you got nowhere to go. You're trapped in that thing. Oh, yeah. Oh God. Well, you got your buddies. So yeah, it's balancing on other people's heads too. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, everyone get their neck strength up. One dude, neck brood. So competition singles at the start of all runs. Challenge athlete is weighed with their sled and they also check the temperature of the sled runners because they don't want them heated up to get the advantage of melting the ice. Sure, sure. And it's an advantage. So it's compared to an official control runner that they actually have slated right next to the launch area and it's just said to that temperature. And so the competitors runners must be within five degrees Celsius of the control runners temperature. Interesting. Interesting that they would control the temperature that closely. Yeah. Because it is a distinct advantage if you're able to melt the ice, especially in the starting zone because a good starting time is a massive indicator for a faster run because you get to a higher speed and you get out of the launch area faster. All right. So the other interesting fact is there's no maximum weight for athletes. But if you weigh less than 90 kilograms if you're a guy, which is 198 pounds, you can add up to 13 kilograms or 28.6 pounds of additional weight to act as a ballast. And for women, if they're less than 165 pounds, they're allowed to add 10 kilograms, 22 pounds. So there's formulas to add into the amount of additional weight can happen. So 90 kilograms minus body weight equals additional weight max added. Same thing for women, which is 75. So in lose only one slide is permitted on the course per time. Track is clear as given and singles loser has 30 seconds to start. So you're in the starting zone and you have a certain amount of time and then they time you based on when you release the hand grips. That's the starting moment. The most interesting part for a run to be deemed legal, an athlete must be in contact with the sled when he or she crosses the timing light at the finish line. If you cross without the sled, you're immediately disqualified. Okay, but you can bail off the sled afterwards. Correct. Okay. If you crash on the course and receive no outside assistance and still finish with the sled unassisted, the run is counted. If you crash and fall off, can you get back on? Yes. As long as nobody comes on to assist you, you can still finish the race. Okay. Luge the overall winner. And this is why it's important is determined by the total time on multiple runs. So the number of runs varies depending on the nature of the event, but usually in the Olympics, there's four runs, two runs per day over two days. All of those runs times are added together to give you your final time. And that's how they determine podium. None are removed. So you got to be consistent and you got to be fast. You can have the fastest run, but still lose. Interesting. Yeah. That's weird. My baby brain cannot comprehend that. Yeah. So it rewards consistency, endurance and the ability of withstand pressure. Interesting. Okay. All right, then. Yeah. So in doubles, I got to show you this. Okay. In doubles, they lay on top of each other. So it looks like this. Cozy. So the bottom person basically becomes the seat. So literally what I'm seeing there is the sled is no bigger. They just. So what I was so shocked before about is that when they're out there, the whole full upper body is hanging off the back end and your legs from your like knees down or hanging off the front end, you got to keep yourself rock still for doubles. The sled is the same. You just put another person on there. And that's so funny. That is incredible. Why would they just be like, Hey buddy, I would love to go. Go down at the same time. How did that conversation start? It's my turn. It's my turn. All right, we can compromise. We'll be going. I'm not not. So the bottom person obviously kind of steers the top half because they're further back. The person on top is your your sights to communicate. And they're the one stealing the runners. You saw the one on the bottoms heads like back and he's like, I trust this man with my life. Okay. All right. And then the other one's just gripping with their butt cheeks onto the person below them. Which by the way, the person on the bottom is like trying to help hold the top guys legs. Yeah. Yeah. This is this is so God. I've never seen this in the winter Olympics and I've watched the winter Olympics. I've never seen this. I've never witnessed. Oh my God. So relay is also really interesting. So it starts with a female loser with her gate already open. Once she completes her run, she must strike a touch pad with her hand to open the next gate for the male loser. All while the time continues, there's no pauses. Wait, say that again. So female loser starts. Okay. They get to the bottom. They have to hit a touch pad that then opens the gate for the the male loser. Go next. Okay. Then once they finish, they have to hit the touch pad for then the two people, the double loser to then run. So it's man, woman, then double. Yes. Can double be men's and women's. Yes. There's you can be mixed or the same. Okay. All right, then. Why isn't the top person face down and turn 69? Because then you can't see. Yes, you can. You look up. Then that's maybe that's a new one you can invent the lose. Lusciatin. No, we don't need the lusciatin. We just need to innovate. This is like when they did the. But that's combining. That's combining. Move. For the first time though. Oh, yeah. That's right. So do the lusciatin or the Skello loose. The Skello loose. Well, really is with the skeleton. I imagine his face down looking forward. Yes. And so we're laying on your stomach. What we need is to reinvent the skeleton where you got to your back. Talk about more injuries. No, no. And then a double skeleton where you're once face up on the thing and once face down on the other person. So they're chin to chin looking up like this. You, you, then everyone can see and everyone's all fine. And you know, it's tip to tip, but it's okay. You know, this little sword fighting going on. So yeah, I think we've really invaded the sport here. So that's that's losing. Yeah, it sure is. So what why is skeleton a different event and when did that split off? So I didn't get into that because there might be enough to talk about that in a skeleton primer and there was enough content here for just the lose. I can't imagine that the history of skeleton is any different. It falls along the same. I just didn't. You combine it with the Bob Slid. That's what I will do is the additional sledding sports. Okay. All right. But I know it's head first. I know at some points it was banned because of injuries from the Olympics itself because it was in the Olympics, then it was removed and then it was re-added. Okay. Because of safety reasons because people going head first are more likely to break their neck. Okay. I know it's more dangerous. I know you land your stomach and I don't think there's a doubles. I think there's only a single skeleton. Why not? They're not brave enough for double. I mean, I mean, come on. If they can do doubles lose and that is a respected event where people take it very seriously, why would they not have double skeleton? I don't know. Oh, here's the starting block of doubles loose. God, I wish we were a video podcast. This is incredible. Oh, the second picture. I see what I look up double lose is a YouTube video with a thumbnail. It's like, why? It is a silliest thing. God. And those pointed does though. Yes. The skeleton has a running start as opposed to the lose. So they run and then they dive onto their slide. Interesting. Okay. All right. So that would be a faster event. I imagine is just skeleton because you can get that better start. Yeah. And more dangerous. Yeah. The double lose there. Just so funny. God, that's hilarious. I love that. I'm not trying to mock the sport. I know that these sports athletes very serious. No one going into this doesn't know. Yeah. That's great. That's great. So for skeleton, they run around 40 meters before assuming the head first prone position as they slide down this course. Again, their speeds are actually similar. Oh, yeah? Yeah. So that's the only difference is the basically the start and the fact that they lay down head first. The steering is a little bit different because you don't have that bridge in the front. Yeah. I think it's mostly just leaning unless there's something with the hand holds because I know Bob said you have steering things. Yeah. Which Bob's lets do have breaks. Oh, good for them. Because I imagine they can't get out and put their feet down, you know. Correct. Well, what they could do is they could all stand up and then put their arms out and air break it. Never on the paddle. You just see the one guy at the back just comes out with like cosplay wings and he's just like flapping. Yeah. I mean, honestly, like they could probably save weight if they're trying to lower the weight by having a parachute break, but whatever. That's neither here nor there. I think the brakes are still lighter than a parachute. Man, the double still left. It's great. It's great. You know, that would be entertaining. I would watch that. I wouldn't do it. Sorry. No matter how hard you ask Tyler, I'm not doing double lose with you. Oh, I will do the 69. The lose your 10. I'm in the news. Sport coined on this podcast. The Louj Wait, so you're on the bottom? I'm on the bottom where you're on the bottom depends on who's better in that position. We'll just figure it out. You know, and then like a dive off of a diving board into the so much speed. It'll be incredible. We're going to innovate. We're going to revolutionize this tire sport. That sounds absolutely hilarious. Um, yeah. Well, I learned a lot. Yeah. What do you think of lose? I mean, I've always, well, I mean, I didn't know the difference between them, but lose sounds fun. I mean, it is an evolution of just sliding down a hill. I'm on a sled. This is very sled like it is literally a toboggan. And then, you know, you could die. That's always fun. I mean, there's a lot of ways to die. Dumb ways to die. I don't know if this would qualify as a dumb one, but yeah, it's it. I could see. All right, I'll do it. We'll do a video of it. Yeah, let's try lose. Yeah, let's try it. We'll have to find a find a track near us. All right, we'll do that. We're going to eventually, as this podcast evolves, we're going to be filming a lot of us trying these things. Maybe we can find someone who is a professional lusier and then we can do a video with them. Yeah. That would be nice. Yeah. I think there's a lot of things that we have talked about. Like I really want to try curling, which by the way, I think there's a curling place in Texas. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Why Texas? I don't know. I think they're all over the place. Um, the only reason I know of this is I think a friend of mine actually just tried curling and he did it in Texas. Okay. That's the only reason I'm like, I think there's one there. Well, I'm sure there are many other many places, but we will get to that. But for now, we're all done. Yes. We're done with this. We're done with this episode. Thank you, Tyler, for your thorough and really comprehensive explanation of losing. Hopefully everyone out there has an appreciation for it and you're just going to go sprinting to the hills, sprinting to the hills. Yeah. You could even make your own lose track in your backyard if you live in a snowy area. Just build up some snowy walls and create a path for your sled to go down. That's a lot of work, man. I've done it. You've done it? Yeah. What did you do? It wasn't in a tiny hill in the backyard of a neighbor's house. My brother and I built up walls. It was mostly so that we made sure we hit the ramp. Oh, the ramp. Yeah. There are ramping and looshing. Why is there no ramps? Come on. They. That's a new sport. Loose jump. Loose jump. It's like ski jump, but you're on a lose. All right. Sure. And I midair you bail and pull out a shoot. Yeah. Why isn't there doubles ski jump? The one person is just monkey hugging me up behind. You know, they're foot to foot. And then yeah, when they when they spread out, they just go with the arms and flap. The one has to be upside down. It's got to be in the cross. Oh, no. What it's got to be is one's backwards so that they're going the opposite way. And then when they go out, they flip upside down to helicopter. They go. No, they take off the skis and put it on the other person in switch positions. They have to change their clothes midair before they land. Fully naked. And then back on it. Come on. Did quite a bit. Oh, no. I don't think that ski is supposed to go there. Look, why don't one of the winner Olympics hire us? You know, we could really show them how it's done. We could create new sports for them to be like, Oh, great idea. I think more people would watch. I think they would anyway. Right guys. All right. We're all done here. Go check out the the merch store store dot GMFST dot com. We'll be adding more and more new stuff there. And make sure and check out all of the places that you listen, hit that follow button, check out Mark on his channels and check out me on my channels, a pop web donor score 12 and Markiplier for Mark. Mm hmm. Yeah. Thank you. All right. Bye. Okay. Okay. Okay.