So Matt years ago i needed to make some money so i went and got a job as a waiter.
And i thought to myself finally now i can put food on the table.
hahahahaha
oh i don't know why that may be laughing i think because it's clever.
Clever, slightly stupid you know but it works.
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All right everybody here we are again.
Matt how you doing tonight brother?
Man i'm doing all right.
Good deal.
Good deal.
So this will give away probably when we're recording it but we're supposed to have
big temperature drop at night here soon so i got to cover my garden and everything.
But i guess telling you the weird part for me is they said we're going to have egg size hail.
And as you and i were talking i'm like what egg though you know i hope to god it's not ostrich eggs.
They're going like morke morking Mindy egg.
Yeah right.
Like if it's size of a Volkswagen.
I mean caterpillar eggs hummingbird eggs okay i can deal with that.
Hey i need to be more specific for smart smart Alex like me.
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i would say out of the normal graveyard tails wheelhouse so why don't you tell us
what are we talking about tonight brother balloons we we're talking about balloons
and yes you know which balloons we're referring the birthday ones the birthday balloons my law
you know in the shape of a number and
no so i mean unless you've been living under a rock
you've heard these stories regarding the united states military shooting down
quote unquote spy balloons that have managed to fly into or near us airspace
and i know my my first thought when when this story broke was
what yeah how the hell you know did did this thing just float and and then i was well why
are they just letting it float right you know now they're just kind of watching people are
going outside it was so dead gum big that people could see it from the ground it was 60,000 feet up
but you know Adam and I we've talked a lot about this we we we haven't addressed it until now and
it's been you know just just over a month when we're recording this um but with everything that's
kind of unfolded we thought don't this will this will be fun we we can we can talk about this we
can talk about some other things that are related and kind of put our own graveyard tail spin on
things about you know what what we think might really be going on okay so so just kind of kick
back and get ready because you're gonna you're gonna hit you're gonna hear some stuff
tonight you know push a lot of different information at you and that's right have a
lot of different comparisons and it may be kind of back and forth and then you're gonna get mine
and matt's take on it so like matt said you're gonna get a lot so just kind of hang out enjoy it
yeah i understand you're gonna you're gonna kind of be a fly this is how graveyard tail started
okay yeah these were the the conversations of us standing in my kitchen going back and forth
and somebody just making another point making another point going back and forth and back
forth this is how all of this began so we're we're really kind of giving you the insight on this is
what Adam and I do all the time yeah i was going to say this is we still do this and usually never
gets recorded so it'll be interesting we're not recording yeah but anyway so so getting into
this so we're gonna start off with talking about the like i said the quote unquote spy balloon
so as i said the the events in question occurred just over a month ago from the time of this recording
beginning on February 4th 2023 so on that day the u.s military used an f-16 fighter jet
to fire an aim side nine side wonder missile i mean that's that's important i learned what aim
means oh yeah air intercept missile yep okay i didn't i didn't know that so now i learned something
but they used that to take down what the government reported to be a chinese spy balloon about
six miles off the coast of south carolina um now according to reports the balloon was carrying
devices intended to intercept sensitive communications now regardless of how you feel about this situation
you know the these are the facts okay i mean this is just the bare bones this is what happened
okay so we shot down the balloon and is back to business as usual right well it would have been
except for the discovery of three additional balloon-like items just a week later so the first
one was shot down on February 10th which i believe was a friday over dead horse alaska now if you're
unfamiliar with where dead horse is located it's way up along the northern coast of alaska
there's not too many people that live up that way it got the name because if you were riding
your horse up there constantly that's where your horse would die it could make it there and then
i don't know i made that up that may be true it may not be i don't i've never been to alaska
me either but i want to i wonder how many how many areas of alaska you can legitimately ride a horse
um i imagine there's some but not all you probably couldn't ride a horse to dead horse that would
be a problem yeah most likely uh i think it that i think this thing when it when it came down it was
it landed over sea ice so yeah that tells you something um but the reports of that one
said that the object was approximately the size of a small car
now they estimated the other one the the chinese one to be about the size of what two to three school
buses yeah huge this one a lot smaller then one day later on February 11th another balloon was shot
now this time over the canadian ucon territory which makes up the majority of alaska's western border
now the second device was metallic it was uh centricle and uh cylindrical in shape
and balloon like with a small payload attached to it now i i looked and there's really been no
word and what that payload included did you seen anything about that one uh and i did see though that
that balloon that you're talking about was not recovered and that would be the reason why we
don't exactly know because you said it landed over sea ice they couldn't recover it well that
was the first one and and and you're right because of all that because of where it was it was difficult
to recover out in the middle of the ucon also extraordinarily difficult to recover yep especially
in winter um you know it it not these aren't easily accessible areas you can fly over them
but finding somewhere where you can you know drop down a recovery team safely uh you know this just
you know now now really isn't the time i would assume but it it these articles all of them
you know mentioned how the the weather and the region worked against being able to recover this
stuff but then so they say another one a third additional object was shot down over lake here on
on february 12th three days three balloons and made it a pretty busy weekend in the shooting down
balloon business um i know i got my bird shot out i was just waiting it's like come on what else
gonna fly standing on my roof with my bird shot my banele going come on buddy well i mean you know
my neighbor came over all pissed he was like dude you just shot down my brand new drone i said oh man
my bad i thought it was a spy balloon i thought it was a chinese spy balloon don't be flying that
right now but uh the third one was initially seen on radar as my daughter's birthday balloon
couldn't you tell that it looked like a big number three yeah had the little mermaid on it for
i thought maybe they were just number in the spy balloons now yeah yeah keep track of them
they're getting number three age number three
but uh anyway the um that third one the one that went down over lake here on it was originally
seen the day before on radar it was in canada about 70 miles north of the us border
and they actually deployed jets at that time but they couldn't find it they couldn't locate it
but then it reappeared on radar the next day over wisconsin and then the object was tracked across
the upper peninsula of michigan and subsequently fired upon and taken down over like here on so
of course you know you're talking about more heavily populated areas they let it float out
over the water and shot it down okay so all that you know okay so now we've we've shot down four
balloons in uh in the period of just over a week okay and like i said the the chinese government
did claim ownership to the original one but they also said that it was merely a weather balloon
collecting atmospheric data now from what i understand from a video that i watched
earlier today as a matter of fact um that that one had like 16 solar panels on it
yeah or like you don't really need solar panels especially ones that big if all you're doing is
collecting weather data right you know temperature wind speed those type things humidity you don't
really have to have that kind of that kind of power but you do if it's you know broadcasting
signals um and it does look like that the chinese had some limited ability to steer this device
um and and and it did have the capacity to broadcast communication signals so it was much
more sophisticated than the other three right sure now the other three though are still kind
of a mystery all three were much smaller than the original chinese device which was described like
i said the size of two to three school buses um and the payload on that one was it said it was
about the size of a small plane yeah um crazy so i mean this was big so on radar they said it
looked like a plane yeah you know that it was it was the right size they thought it was a plane
not the additional three balloons also did not have did not appear to have any means of steering
suggesting that they were just set aloft to be carried by the wind
now adding to the mystery is the u.s military's quick response to the new arrival i mean we watched
that chinese balloon fly over a large portion of the united states before they eventually took it down
yeah but the other three were intercepted quickly without much hesitation at all
and officials reported that unlike the chinese balloon which traveled about 60,000 feet
the others drifted around 20 to 40,000 feet which made them a viable threat to commercial air traffic
which travels around 30,000 feet so that was the that was the reasoning provided
is why they acted so quickly is because this was a safety threat um because it it shared airspace
with regular commercial air traffic okay i buy that i buy that maybe for a nickel
now the white house is officially stated that they do not believe that extraterrestrials or
aliens had anything to do with any of the balloons that were shot down even going so far
as to report that past ufo or uap reports near military bases were most likely surveillance
devices that were not initially identified as such so so we are we are and talk we are retro
actively uh claiming that this is responsible for other ufo sightings uap sightings around
military bases yeah so before we didn't know what they were now oh they were probably spot
now they're balloon they're balloons but see okay before we get any further and i i'm going to
ask this question but i don't necessarily want an answer i just want to throw this out there for
thought okay we knew they were balloons why was alien ufo uap ever brought up in the conversation
i know right what was the tie that made that
necessary to be said and i know some people were talking about it on the internet and stuff but
that doesn't you can talk about stuff on the internet and the president is not going to come
out and react to what you're saying on the internet so the question to think about while we go
through this whole episode why were they so quick to come out and say oh well that these were not
alien we found no evidence of alien devices on these balloons and we think military
sightings of uap's were spy balloons why so just get that question in your head as we go through
this i know it's it's definitely something to think about and you know what here's something else
to think about i have my theories i'll tell you later that the the you know the u.s. government
reported that they had been looking into the chinese spy balloon program for the last 18 months
yeah and then they then they come out with they said at least three potential spy balloons
entered u.s. airspace during the trump administration and another flew over early in joe biden's presidency
we didn't hear anything about him right but this indicates to me that this has been an ongoing
issue right but possibly much further back than just a few years oh yeah okay we're already talking
about this over a weeks time and then we find out that for the last year and a half
the government has been looking into this being a possibility i mean let's be real do they you
think this started 18 months ago yeah no no absolutely not they've been looking at this
most likely because it's happened before and we have evidence that it's happened before that's right
that's right so so adam you know adam makes a really good point um you know why come out and
just immediately say oh not aliens hey whatever whatever you think it's not alien yeah
yeah what what we didn't say that it was yeah well i'm sure some some people say somebody did yeah
but not enough no i mean not enough people for like you said for the president to come out and
express it it wasn't a general consensus of the nation that right the people from
epsilon something or other were sending nylon balloons to earth you know right right
but i i do get the feeling that this has been going on for quite some time
and i think adam's adam's got some evidence that that's exactly what happened where
something that we've discussed on this show before yep and that's right matt we have we've
discussed this on a previous episode so if you want to go further in depth on this go back and find
the episode titled i think it's fugo and area 51 is i think what we title it i don't remember the
number um but we got to look at the fugo experiment and the fugo balloons because this is not
the first time that balloons have been sent across the continental united states and
a lot of this information comes from history uh the history dot com site from where i used in
the previous episode but the fugo bombs were high altitude balloon bombs launched by japan
to attack north america now after american aircraft bombed tokyo and other japanese cities during the
due little rate of 1942 the japanese military command wanted to retaliate in kind but its
manned aircraft were incapable of reaching the west coast of the united states so what the
japanese military lacked in technology though it made up for in geography so since the 13th century
when a pair of cyclones foiled the fleets of kupla cons mongol invaders the japanese long believed
that the gods had dispatched divine winds called kamikaze to protect them so during world war two
the military thought the winds could save them once again since its scientists had discovered
that a westerly river of air 30 000 feet high known now as the jet stream could transport hydrogen
field balloons to north america in three to four days so for two years the military produced
thousands of balloons with skins of lightweight but durable paper made from uh maul berrywood
that was stitched together by conscripted school girls oblivious to their sinister purposes
so using 40 foot long ropes attached to the balloons the military mounted incendiary devices
and 30 pound high explosive bombs rigged to drop over north america and sparked massive forest fires
that would instill panic and divert resources from the war effort
now between november 1944 and april 1945 the japanese military launched more than
nine thousand of these pilotless weapons in an operation code named fugo most of the balloons
fell harmlessly into the pacific ocean but more than 300 of the low tech orbs made the 5 000
mile crossing and were actually spotted in the skies over the western united states and canada
from holy cross alaska to nagales arizona and even as far east as grand rapids michigan
so they made it a good long way now in march of 1945 one balloon even hit a high tension power line
and caused a temporary blackout at the hanford washington plant that was producing plutonium
that would be used in the atomic bomb that was dropped on nagasaki five months later
well none of the balloons however had caused any injuries until archie mitchell's church group
came across the wreckage of one and gear heart mountain and this is the account that we discussed
that killed the minister archie mitchell um killed his wife their unborn baby and five children in
the church group almost instantly so if you want to hear that whole account go back to that episode
now citing the need to prevent panic and avoid giving the enemy
location information that could allow them to hone their targeting the us military
censured reports about the japanese balloon bombs although many uh blind locals knew the truth
about the explosion there in gear heart mountain uh they reluctantly followed military directives
and adopted a coat of silence about the tragedy as the media reported that the victims died in a
quote explosion of undetermined origin now by the end of 1945 the military decided in the interest
of public safety to reveal the true cause of the explosion and warn americans to be aware of any
strange white balloons they might encounter in uh information divulged a month or two later
for the victims in oragon now ultimately fugo was a military failure few balloons reached their
targets and the jet stream winds were only powerful enough in winter time when
snowy and damp conditions in north american force precluded the ignition of large fires
so the only casualties they caused were the deaths of the five innocent children in the
pregnant one the first and only fatalities in the continental united states due to enemy action
in world war two so the reason there's a few reasons why this pertains to the balloons now
one it shows that we have been dealing with balloons being sent to the united states
for decades for a long long time and during the fugo thing they decided to cover it up
they initially went with a cover up and said no no no no you know it's it's not
there's nothing going on you don't know what's happening and
we tried to tie that in to area 51 if you go listen to that episode but
it makes me wonder why now were they so quick to
air it and you know go all out with what it was and then again bring in the alien thing when
we have history of balloons why do we need to put anything else on these balloons
rather than them just being balloons yeah exactly when they came out with the fugo stuff and they
finally said it they said these are balloons sent by japan they didn't do much damage they did some
but you i mean you talked to the families of those five children it was enough damage
that those did right but the the balloons we have now have not done any damage like that
but they came right out and said these are balloons and they're they're uh not alien
yeah so just weird but well when you when you consider this now i i was watching an interview with
a with with an expert in espionage and he was saying you know look the idea that you you would
attach a bomb or any explosive device to a balloon and let it just kind of float they're like modern
warfare is much more sophisticated than that right said you know we have we have long range
missiles you know that can you know go halfway around the world okay i mean we don't we don't
have to send crap by balloon anymore so why do it right um that's not again that's not what it's for
you know it you know everybody kind of you know had a little bit of panic you know when they first
here heard this but it it was it would never have been intended for that i mean that would have been
useless so but the you know as modern warfare is different um what what you learn is the the most
valuable reese the most valuable resource in any conflict is information sure it's information
so um that's what that's what all countries that's what they're after you know the more information
i have about my enemy or however you want to address it about you know the a country that i'm
at odds with the more information i have the the better suited i am to defend myself or exploit
their weaknesses so that's i mean that's where it is i mean it's it's information but again with
adam i'm talking about why were they so quick to come out and drop the it's not alien
well i think some of it has to do with the declassified videos um from uh from the military
on these uap sightings yep because now it's it it's kind of been in the forefront um of of ufo
enthusiasts and you know just people with even a slight interest in the idea of uh extraterrestrials
that with the release of these videos were the last couple of years we've just been kind of
oh my god what it you know is this a possibility you know does the government know something that
they haven't been telling us um so they come out and they address it really really quick and i
think that's part of it and one of those videos yeah one of those videos um it is uh i i looked
into a little bit more and that's that's the the now famous gimbal video um all right so if we
concede that these balloons are not extraterrestrial in nature um does that mean that that so many of
these ufo uap sightings are actually balloons or whether they're spy or weather or research or
otherwise i i think the the objects we've discussed so far had really no means of propulsion or
steering except for the actual chinese balloon which had limited control at best but as i said
this declassification of these of these uap videos um it shows that not only are these things
maneuverable but they can maneuver like unlike any other craft that's known today right okay
to look at these videos um and discuss them won't show a large difference between what we're seeing
now and what they're quote declassifying for us to see and it would kind of help bolster
points that we're going to make here in a minute mm-hmm right all right so let's let's look at the
gimbal video so it's a it's an official u.s. navy video of a 2015 uap encounter taking a board
a navy fighter jet from the nuclear aircraft carrier the u.s.s. Theodore rosaville um this one was
off the eastern seaboard near the florida coast now in the video an object is seen flying at high
speed with no obvious means of propulsion you can hear the pilots talking back and forth and initially
uh one is saying that it's some type of drone the second pilot then says that there's actually a
fleet of them nearby and that they are flying against the wind which at that time was around
129 yep which that's a strong wind it is and that point that you're making there about the fleet
of them um jeremy corbell has talked about it and they have left that part of the video out it there's
actually four more minutes of that video that shows the fleet but they leave that out of the video
yeah yeah so you just in the in the short video that that you you'll find when you search it
it's only about 36 seconds long now as they watch the craft appears to slow down slightly
and then it begins to rotate which is definitely a maneuver no known aircraft could accomplish right
right now um aerospace engineer Travis Taylor who i was talking to Adam about this before the
show i'm a i'm a big fan um you know i like i like Travis's work i like how down to earth he is how
he he is so intelligent but yet he can express himself in a way that regular you know dumb people
like myself can understand it yeah it's not it's not man crush monday it's man crush every day for
match that's right i mean i look i watch i watch him on skinwalker ranch i've i've seen him on
you know half a dozen other shows he's good i like it he is he's good i like him but he did an interview
last year uh with george nap and that and it's clear from the gimbal video that there are things
in the video that are not typical of aviation vehicles right now nap goes on to ask taylor
if he thinks he understands the physics of the object in the gimbal video and taylor responds
quote no i don't think i understand the physics so what i do understand is that they're flying in
a way that we don't there's something going on there that appears to be a propellantless
propulsion because we don't see exhaust plumes we don't see turbulence wakes
and the other thing is we don't see matter around them change as it passes through the different
media right right so you know it goes it goes near clouds um
and nothing's happening the gimbal goes into water too right the no the gimbal one doesn't go
into water okay i think it's the tiktok video yeah yeah it goes into water it is and then that
that's i think that's the one that's off the coast of porterico and he he brings that up because
the point he makes is that if if that object was going as fast as what they could clock it as and
you know when you watch that video um you see i'm kind of catch up to it it goes under water
it doesn't slow down and he says you know think about how fast it would have to be going to hit
the water and not cause any kind of splash or you know there's no there's no white caps around
nothing it just goes into the water and it keeps going and to have that kind of power to propel
itself at that speed through salt water um that's that that's technology that we don't currently have
no because the resistance on anything in water is so much higher right then you put that much salt
in water and you become buoyant right so you're gonna float more you gotta and you fight harder
to get through it right and i i dare anyone to throw something that is the shape of the the gimbal
object at water and just see what happens to the water to the the splash back does the
i mean if we were to fly something that we have now into the water at high speed it would break
apart it would disintegrate yeah absolutely you know you you hit water even at an angle
from a speed that fast it's like concrete you know yeah when i when i when he said that and i thought
about it the the first thing that came to my mind was well then it it's fake because they couldn't
they couldn't reproduce the matter response you know they they could they could reproduce and
they could overlay this object moving at this high speed over the water but then they couldn't
they they they couldn't get it to where they could make it appear realistic where the water
would splash and everything else but then i went back and thought why why why why
why if you were gonna hoax this why make it look like it goes in the water at all right just
complicates things right it's strange enough that it's flying above the water why make it that much
more complicated by going oh let's make it go in the water what we can't make it splash oh that's
okay you know right no just just leave the water out of it yep so then so then that that brings me
around full-circle circle to go oh okay we this is something that we really don't know what it is
right right and that right what some physicists have talked about and what i've heard bob lizar talk
about as well is crafts like this seem to have a gravity propulsion because there is no visible
signs of you know fuel being burnt and expelled and the way it moves it has some type of gravity
propulsion whatever which when you do that it's theorized that it disrupts the space time
continuum which we've talked about before so if you're doing that and you're
you know bouncing around inside this craft if you were to move like that in a normal craft you'd
be dead the pilot would be dead because our bodies couldn't handle it but if you had gravity distortion
it would change the way your body is feeling these g forces and the movement and stuff to where
you wouldn't necessarily even know it was doing that plus it would change the way this craft
reacts with the elements on the outside so it would be able to slice into water without causing
disruption or slice through clouds without disruption because the gravity drive is actually
causing a disturbance in our reality basically exactly and one thing too that is somebody brought
up and George Knapp brought it up to to Travis and he said you know people complain about why are
all these UFO videos fuzzy you know why are they fuzzy you know we it's you know the in the modern
era people can take crystal clear photographs with the phone why can't we seem to get it well
Travis I like this response okay and he he backs it up with a little bit of science
um he said that you know the pilots are using advanced equipment that can capture clear video
of other aircraft but like I said the object in the gimbal video is kind of fuzzy and Taylor says
this is a quote he said when you look at whatever the object in the is in the gimbal video
it is completely saturated in temperature meaning it's really really hot
and so it saturates the camera so you can't see any details about its shape
and around it even though it's really really hot around it is a region of really really cold air
which makes no sense that this is from Travis Taylor he says it makes no sense
he said you go from really hot to really cold and then you have a bubble zone that you're now
ambient temperature just like the clouds and this suggests that something is creating sort of a
a field propulsion yep um and and he says he doesn't understand whether if it's because it's
so hot it's creating this turbulent region around it he said but that doesn't make any sense physically
but Taylor explains that based on the thermal appearance of the object that if it were only
eight kilometers away it would have to be over 1200 degrees which would put it close to the melting
point of aluminum but if we consider that the object could be as much as 50 kilometers away
it would have to be near the melting point of steel somewhere between 2200 and 2500 degrees
to give this appearance on the camera so either way Travis says that it certainly wasn't wasn't
the glare off of the jet some 50 miles away as some people have speculated right right and your
your point about the the fuzzy image if they're using a gravitational field drive
and i'm gonna i'm gonna say this for all uap sightings not just the gimbal and not just the
one i'm gonna go into but if they're using a gravitational type drive we know that gravity causes a shift
invisible light we know this from astronomy there is a redshift and a blueshift depending on which way
the object is traveling in space and if there is a large dense black hole
then light will bend around that object and to see through a black hole you have to look at
the light that is bent around the black hole and stitch it back together to create an image
of what's on the other side of the black hole if they are using a gravitational type drive
to our naked eye they might sort of be in focus but then you try to get a device like
a radar a a camera a phone camera to capture that image well the way the light is being bent
around the gravity of this object it's going to make it fuzzy right so everybody like you said
makes fun of oh well they're always blurry so they're always fake maybe the blurry makes it more
legit if they're using yeah a gravitational drive that we don't understand but that they do then
quite possibly that makes it more legit because we can't see it in focus in our cameras because
it's bending visible light around this object a small a say small but small object in the pictures
so then it makes it blurry and i mean i i love that idea you you you make such a such a good point
there because to me it does if i were to see a uap video and everything was crystal clear and
focus and i was making out details i would be like this this isn't right this doesn't seem i
that would that would surprise me more than seeing one that's out of focus yeah you're like is this
i would almost yeah i would almost expect it if it looked too good then you would immediately
assume that it was a hoax at least that's what i that's what i would do
yeah but that that whole idea because i mean your eyes a camera lens all they do is take in the
light and interpret it as the picture yep you know so it could fool your eyes it could fool a camera
lens and it to me that the camera lens would have a more difficult time because it here it is it's
mechanical sure yeah and it's trying to interpret the light that it's picking up when the shutter is
open um and if that light is distorted then the image is going to be distorted especially when it's
been calibrated to capture images with specific light right specific light patterns because we
we know that if the light looks like this it's going to be this in the end and so these digital
cameras know how to interpret that because of the way we've programmed them to right and and that
those cameras um you know designed by uh a company called Raytheon those cameras are designed to be
able to take photographs high res photographs and video of objects that are moving very fast very
fast very far away yeah and in different conditions yeah so if if a piece of equipment like that
can't get a clear image of this thing you know don't say how anybody could
right and so some people will kind of think oh well then it's fake i'm like again to me that makes it
seem more legitimate that it's not crystal clear right you know it definitely adds to the mystery
of what it is yeah and i i just feel like the the combination of different factors Travis Taylor
saying don't know how it does what it does and people like bob was are saying well there's a
gravitational drive to it then seeing other videos of these things moving in weird ways and knowing
if it were to move like this it would kill the passenger well unless they had their own type of
gravity in there and then they could divert and then you think okay gravity bends light so it all
makes sense to me as to why these things would be blurry and it adds to the legitimacy of them yeah
see i think now we we can figure out what we would have to do to be able to to travel like that
we just hadn't figured out how we would do it exactly yeah we know the theory but we can't put it
into practice right we don't have the technology or maybe the specific element that we would need
yeah and you know there's not a lot of people going to sign up to be like hey i'll be the first
test pilot on this yeah right turn you probably you're probably gonna die dude yeah you'll be
turning the mush the first time you try to pull off a crazy maneuver so on that note of talking about
these actual uap videos that have been declassified i want to look at the go fast ufo that was taken
by the uss roosevelt because i think this has some good points in it and i've got some thoughts on
the quote debunking of this one so official us navy video of a 2015 ufo encounter taken aboard a
navy fighter jet from the nuclear aircraft carry uss theodor roosevelt off the eastern seaboard
near the florida coast is this go fast ufo what they've dubbed the go fast because of i mean
it go fast that's why right uh now if you watch this video there's an object in the radar of a pilot
who is tracking it so you watch this object and it's blasting across the screen incredibly fast
if you haven't seen the video go watch the video and the pilot is trying to keep up with it he's a
good distance away but he's trying to keep up with it to get a lock on it so he's trying to get
his targeting system to get a lock on this thing and it is going so fast from the right to the
left of his screen that he cannot get a lock on it well once he finally gets a lock on it you hear
him scream whoo got him and then another pilot comes on the comms and they're both laughing
and uh they're so excited that he finally got this lock on the thing that he's been tracking for a
little while now just like matt's uh gimbal video there is a lot more to this video
than what we see so there's more in the beginning of him tracking it and more at the end but another
pilot says did you just catch a moving target and he goes no i put it on auto track okay so if he's
got it on auto track and it took as long as it did for the computer which like matt said these things
are designed to catch fast moving objects get a lock on them so that we can determine if we need
to fire weapons at it if it's taking auto track that long to catch it it's going fast it's moving
crazy well the pilot then says what is that thing man and there's some inaudible stuff from ground
control and the other pilot says look at that fn thing fly i mean they they are having trouble
believing how fast this thing is going well then the video cuts off but it's just a small object
flying through the screen now mick west he's a debunker or a skeptic or writer and his explanation
is that the object in the go fast clip may not be moving fast at all in fact it might not even be
moving what we're seeing is the result of one of michael bay's favorite cinematic techniques
parallax west says some quick math reveals that the object in question isn't near the ocean surface
because it's flying along the ocean surface in the video mhm now he says it's actually halfway
between the the jet camera in the ocean below he says this means that even if the object were
totally stationary for example a weather balloon it would appear to be moving at the same speed
as the jet itself now here's the problem i don't agree with this at all because these are a train
fighter pilots the best in the world who see these radar images day in and day out they know what
something giving the parallax effect would look like mhm and west is the only person
purporting this claim outside of those who have parroted his claim but if this were the case
the auto track wouldn't have had such a difficult time three times in fact trying to get a lock on
this thing so these these radars are designed to hold a steady lock on something stationary
as well as track moving objects so secondly if this were the case we would have similar if not
exactly the same video from the jet who recently shot down the balloon off the south coast of carolina
and we don't the video from that plane is smooth and it's obviously a slow moving balloon
so this this doesn't hold true for me you're you're trying to tell me that the military with this
the these highly capable pilots and radar systems that are designed for dog fights and
and tracking fast moving objects and stuff are fooled by a parallax effect that we all know
exist we've seen it in movies anyway so you're telling me that this go fast is just an optical
illusion i don't think so because this thing is flying i forgot how fast they said exactly but it's
i mean it's it's an impossible speed for anything that we have and and you know my my thought on that
is that why why bother i mean yeah why bother releasing it and and don't think that the military
hasn't had experts working for them that have analyzed this video over and over and over i mean
it was taken in 2015 okay they've had plenty of time to study this and consider all the possibilities
and they release it to the public with this is one we can identify right and they don't release
the full footage and when congress recently had their uap council or whatever they called it
where the military released these videos to them yeah for them to see they didn't get any more of
the video than we're seeing so they did not get in your video the part with the drones in it
surrounding the ship right they didn't get the beginning of this go fast video so what is it
that's being left out of these videos that even our senate and house representatives cannot see
right so if it were the parallax effect the government has had a long history of denying
ufos i mean project blue book was set up initially to make fun of the effect that's where we get the
swamp gas thing that's where we get the weather balloon theory is from project blue book trying to
debunk all of these sightings so much so that the guy that was running this blue book came out later
and said he felt bad for doing this and that's why he became a legit ufo researcher after blue book
was done so if we have a history of hiding ufos or making something up about him why even release
this footage to say oh hey here why why make it up why oh yeah we know this is just a quote weather
balloon like west said but we're going to show it to the the government and the people of the world
and say well here we don't understand this one why it makes no sense you're i agree 100 why bother
yeah i mean and and so even if you even if your mind goes to it's a hoax it's a hoax
why why would the military want to hoax anybody over something like this what benefit do they get
out of this we got decades of denying so why now we're out of hoax right and and nobody was
pushing them to release this particular one right we didn't know what they were going to declassify
nobody had seen this at least you know nobody that was able to talk about it
um so it did that the whole idea that this was the a parallax effect it just it doesn't make
sense to me what i mean i would think that military researchers and scientists would have been able
to figure out something that michael bay is able to do in his movies yep and say that's what this is
and for them to do that to use that uh that parallax effect to create a hoax video again i
it there's no benefit that i can see for doing that no so to me this video just says hey
this is weird we've looked at it we can't really figure out what it is so we're gonna let you see
you can decide for yourself what you think it might be right which and then
i know there's people out there going okay you started out talking about balloon sightings
then you went to fugo then you went to the gimbal and the gofast why did you do that
well we wanted to show you comparisons of balloons and actual unidentified aerial phenomena
or the aat or whatever they're calling it now advanced aerial threat or aap advanced aerial
for the sun whatever the acronym of the day is we wanted to show you the difference and
they're and it all ties back to that why did the president and the government come out and say
there's no alien evidence on these balloons and why are they pushing the balloon story so much
yeah i've got my thoughts and so so we've got in a sequence of events within you know
approximately the last two years we've got the government coming forward and saying hey y'all
yeah there's really some stuff up here we haven't been able to identify you know that and here's
some videos of it and then we have you know a spy balloon float into us airspace which seem to be
impossible and then we find out oh no no not only is it possible it's happened before
and and then we have additional balloons that the government just says oh gotta go
pow pow pow done and that's it and it goes away the connection with all of this you know to adam
and myself is everybody is looking up yes yep everybody's looking up what's going on down here
mmm where the government is telling us all to look up at the sky what are we not supposed to
be paying attention to down here right you know what's what's happening around here that
all of this stuff happening above us for the last couple of years is taking our attention from
now you're now you're like oh lord what i i should have i should have brought my tenfold hat up here
and i um because that's kind of that all of this has led up to that it's
you know hoax not a hoax what spy balloon weather balloon whatever the government is telling us
to look at it yeah it's telling us to pay attention to it and i'm gonna tell you i i'll get into
my my theory of what we're being distracted from and i i think it's a
it's a multi part but it all kind of pertains to the same thing so if you think
the government whatever country you live in the government of that country is going to release
all of the information they have on uap's to the public you're silly mmm they will not do that
they'll release specific ones like the gimbal that go fast the tiktok stuff that
cannot be proven or disproven it's just weird stuff and they're gonna they're gonna get you
looking at that then we've got these balloons coming in one that we know where they came from
the other ones that we don't but we shoot them all down and then the government comes out and says
oh well there's no evidence of alien activity with these balloons i think personally that it's
all a distraction from one having to disclose any more actual uap info or videos because they're
they're now pushing oh well now see what what we thought were uap's around the government
installations that's not that was just spy balloons and right so like you said retroactively
discounting uap's yep plus they can say well i mean we figured it out we don't have to release
any more information because it's all it's all balloons with the parallax effect and
all this stuff and so we there is no disclosure to happen and it's keeping us looking at these
certain things and going wait a minute the we all kind of knew they were balloons why are they
saying there's no alien that is this actual it's trying to keep us from seeing the actual uap
sightings that were having sure we're looking up but we're looking at the wrong things we're
not looking at actually what's happening and i think like in the tiktok video that goes into water
most of these most of these i mean the the gimbal and the gofas they were seen over the ocean
so it goes back to my theory of i think there is a connection between deep water
and uap's so are they keeping us looking up because they have figured out these uap's are coming from
the ocean mm-hmm and i personally think i i think i've said this before in another episode but i've
also kind of with all the information that's coming out kind of adopted another addendum to this theory
that i think uap's are not from another world another planet in our universe i've said that
before i don't think that's it i think previously i said it it could be from another dimension and
it could be yeah but what i think it is and i'm tying multiple theories i have together there is
an advanced species living on the earth that actually is underwater
and that's why are i mean the the i think part of the gimbal video that you were looking at
or it's the tiktok i get the i get them so confused but the the object is hovering it may be the tiktok
is hovering over a disturbance in the water that looks like water rolling over a coral reef
you know how you get that disturbance mm-hmm well there's a big thing under the water
and this object that the military is tracking is actually sitting above that so
what if there is an advanced species on earth living underneath the water and we finally figured
it out the government has finally figured it out and they're keeping us looking up at balloons
and they supposed the uap's in the sky to keep us from seeing the evidence that's coming from below us
and yeah i i mean it it would make a lot of sense if you put a lot of this information together
i mean i i agree i i've i've thought that for a little while now too that um
you know everybody everybody's looking up we need to be looking down and much further down
uh then we've been able to look before and i love this statement i have absolutely no idea
if if this is legitimately true or not but i've heard this statement several times where it says
we know more about outer space than we know about our own oceans yep i think you've been proven
true it may it may very well be i mean we we know how difficult it is to explore
you know the deepest parts of the ocean and we know how vast
um the the uh the oceans on earth are and there are enormous areas that are completely unexplored
and i i don't i don't think we're talking about you know a big underground city in a bubble
um but we might i mean you know who knows but there's something going on down there
yeah and you know these these videos that we're seeing
lend a little bit of credence to that that we're we shouldn't be looking at outer space
these these uap's coming in from other planets um you know they're they're right here
uh you know we're we're seeing we're seeing things that are over the water over the ocean
we're not we're not seeing a lot of these things zipping across Colorado
um coming in from like the atmosphere we don't normally see that right we see it in and out of
the ocean and above the ocean but we don't see it necessarily going you know past the
ISS and into our atmosphere yeah yeah and i i don't i don't think just because for for years we've had
a lot of UFO sightings and reports over the continental us and over you know other land masses
i don't think that necessarily shoots down the idea that you know these you know that
whatever these these crafts are that people have reported
are are coming from the ocean i don't i don't think it just completely negates that
um but i i think it just it just bolsters the fact that like Adam said we're not seeing these
things come from high altitudes you know we're we're not we're not seeing these things
in the stratosphere we're not picking up on activity at at that level or even around our satellites
you you would almost begin to think okay we've got so many satellites that orbit this planet
surely to god if there was a ship that was coming in from outer space and entered our atmosphere
one of these satellites would have something you know what we we got satellites looking down at the
earth 24 seven yep surely it would have caught something coming in that would coincide with
other reports right we don't really have that no and like today i posted the funny article
and tagged you in it in the group about Newsmax saying that a mothership is sitting outside
on the atmosphere sending stuff in i mean i did that because i knew we were recording this
episode and i thought oh this will be a good little teaser not telling anybody why so if you saw
that and commented on that uh post you'll be hearing this about a week later and don't think
i was serious posting that thinking there's a mothership sitting outside our atmosphere i just
thought it'd be a good conversation starter for this episode but yeah if you want to if you want to
put on your tin foil hat or put a second layer of tin foil on this or you know put a chin strap
on your hat so make a tin foil helmet and chin strap it down so that you're protected here is a
weird thought okay we have NASA right and we have all of these other
organizations from different countries that are spending taxpayer money to go to outer space
but we don't have a large taxpayer funded organization that is looking into robots to go
deep within the ocean we have individual like billionaires and stuff making these
submersible vehicles that they can ride around in but we have no organization like NASA for our
own planet to look under the ocean yeah right why is that my thought my conspiracy theory thought
the tin foil hat thought is we know they ain't crap out there in space so we know we're not
going to accidentally stumble on something or show the public something but we are pretty certain
there is something living under the surface of the ocean that's causing these UFOs UAPs whatever
you want to call them that are coming in and out of the ocean and we do not want to accidentally
stumble upon that and more people than is necessary know that there is another species living on
this planet that we have not known about until recently right so why would we not have an
organization looking under our oceans and taking all these billions of dollars and instead of
building a spacecraft to send us to Mars let's build a submersible that can study the planet that
we're sitting on now well it's because we know there's some crap down there that we don't want
publicized to anybody and if this episode gets taken off the the internet it's not us doing it
so they they have found us out and we are being silenced if this disappears for some reason
that's why we know we were right yeah Matt and I don't record any more episodes
well they got to us but yeah I'm just saying well you know I I tend to think too that
um this is not a United States thing this is a world thing and that 100 percent yeah we're not
the only ones and that that know about it no um because again it's plural yeah yeah I mean it's
multiple governments you know they would you know they they have you know their own set of
researchers and scientists but you got to realize the people that really get into this and they
really study and research and examine these videos they're not you know they're not all just
from the United States you know from all over the world and they share information and they share
theories and so I think that if that's the case that you know the the world has known about it
and you know the the governments have have come together in agreement to say
we we don't we don't need to this doesn't need to be public knowledge that right and I and I
understand I don't think that you know you you become elected president um you become prime minister
you become whatever whatever worldly that you're handed this book and says hey we got to tell you
something yeah yeah under the ocean there's no I don't I don't think that's how it works I think
we've had president say they're trying to dig into it right yeah I mean yeah you remember the
clinton's coming out and saying they were gonna dig into it and then I think trump even said I
wish I could tell you more but I don't I don't know more and so I think you're right it you become
the leader of a country does not necessarily mean you're getting read into the UAP scenario
they're just as in the dark as we are yeah for the most other than maybe then you know that the
people in the know would say we'll be able to say look we don't really know what's down there
um but we have a lot of evidence that indicates that there's something down there
we we want we want to investigate but we we also kind of don't right we don't want to poke the
beehive you know I think some people begin to think what if it's Cthulhu you know what if yeah what
if he's down there what if it's Atlantis yeah or or what what if we go poking around
and it becomes something catastrophic something that we weren't supposed to know about ever
I mean I know that that really stretches it out but I mean there's just there's just so much
that points in this direction that you got to think okay whatever it is whatever it is
if we ever find out 100 percent this is what I would I would almost guarantee this is what we're
going to be told this is what we're going to find out is that so much of this extraterrestrial
activity so much of these aliens are actually they've been here the whole time right you know
they've been under underwater and we just didn't know about them I agree with you and I think
it is that let's not go poking around and poke the beehive because we know we've got
something there but none of us have been able to actually see it we don't know what it is and
I'm sure there are people a lot smarter than us that know there's something there and it's some
life form that I mean if you go back to and I forgot the author and this kills me because he's a
pro he's prolific in the paranormal world and that you know if you know me you know I'm terrible
with names it took me 18 years to learn Matt's name so I have it I mean there's a reason we have
our names on the video feed here so I can look at and go oh yeah that's Matt and I'm Adam I'm that
bad with names but he said the UFO thing to him and this was back in the 60s 70s he said the UFO
phenomenon of him actually seems like it could be the WOW the watchers of the world and they have
always been with the world and they will always be with the world whether they are he said could
be spiritual but he said also I think it's an advanced species of being that have taken it upon
themselves to watch the world and make sure it's not destroyed yeah whether they came from a planet
many many many you know millions of years ago that was destroyed by them and they inhabited earth
and then primates evolved into people and they're like oh crap we got to keep an eye on these fools
they're gonna blow it up with nuclear weapons or yeah so they're here and that's why they're seen
around nuclear sites military bases you know the nuclear ships out in the ocean like the fleet
that you were talking about of things around the gimbal video I mean his whole theory is they're
designed here to watch us and watch the world and I think in my own opinion that makes a lot of
sense as it's not coming from light years away in space that sure I believe there are other life
forms out there I 100% believe that but I don't think they either could get to us or would care
why would they stop by an anthill yeah you know you're not going to come to an anthill and go hey
who's in charge of this anthill they don't care they're just going to fly on by and go hey look
that anthill's evolving they you know that they make beard oils now look at them that's cool
they figured out how to make a shiny beard but it would make sense if there was something
invested in the earth that they're living on this planet too they have to keep this planet in working
order at least not blown up right so they don't want to divulge their presence by completely coming
out and going stop but they'll do certain things I mean we mentioned Jeremy Corbell earlier okay
Corbell and NAP just came out with the Mosul orb video where there is an orb UFO scene in Mosul
around a war zone we've talked about the Foo Fighters before we've talked about all this stuff
they're seen in conflict zones there are more and more videos coming out showing UAPs in conflict
zones so if you had an invested interest in this planet to make sure that it wasn't destroyed you
would keep an eye on the wars waged between these mammalian idiots that are so hell bent on war
and destroying each other you're gonna keep an eye on that and go ahead but they can fight each
other and kill each other off but I don't want them blowing up our planet that we live on too
it's right so let them fight but let's make sure they don't do anything stupid like when your
kids are fighting you know I'm gonna let them fight but if one of them grabs a knife I'm jumping in
the middle of it you know they can smack each other around but there's gonna be no stabbing on
dad's watch you have been hanging out of my house yeah exactly uh so I to me that that's where my
mind goes when we talk why are they promoting these balloons so much and then saying oh it's not
alien why are they releasing just small snippets for disclosure videos and stuff it's because they
want us looking up they do not want us looking down underneath us and figuring out that's the
reason we have NASA but we don't have an underwater version of that mm-hmm I mean yeah some of y'all
have already tuned out so I'm not talking to y'all but to those of y'all who have stuck with these
theories so far this is different than Matt and I normally do we will give you a specific theory
that we have on a specific place or a specific event but yes this gets real tin full haddy and
weird and conspiracy theory but we felt like it was important to put this out because
disclosure they say is coming so we want to be on the record here's what Matt and I think
here's how we feel about it and let you guys you can make the decision for yourselves as we always
do if if you believe us or not but that's where my head is yeah is all of this stuff that we talked
about in the beginning of the episode is a distraction from what's really happening which we know that's
the governments of the world do that it's a smoke and mirror game hey look over here look at the
shiny puppet over here mmm while stuff happens underneath and around it and I think that
with this UAP disclosure is the fact that they are saying yeah you're right yeah you guys are
right it's little green men bleep and blorp from cap of five epsilon system that are coming here
and they're visiting us but they come in peace it's all fine when really we've been living with
these beings for millennia and yeah the governments of the world don't know they don't know what they
are why they are who they are but they know they're there and they're trying to keep us from finding
out yeah yeah so what do you guys think you know we've we've we've thrown a lot of information at
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