Alright, so Matt, every morning I get up, I go have my coffee, and then I announce to the family that I'm gonna go jogging, and then I don't.
It's a running joke.
Good evening everybody, and welcome to the graveyard.
Thank you for joining us tonight.
My name is Adam, and my name's Matt.
Now, pull up a tombstone or settle into your casket and get comfortable because this is graveyard tails.
Alright everybody, here we are again Matt.
How you doing tonight, brother?
Man, I'm doing okay.
Excellent.
Excellent.
It's another beautiful day in the graveyard.
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Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, we're celebrating this tradition of the Victorian tradition of telling ghost stories around the fire on Christmas Eve.
So we need those stories, and you guys have done so well in the past.
We know you're gonna knock it out of the park again this year.
So send them on in, you know, get it in early so that we can ensure that it's gonna be on the show.
Yep, exactly.
And it's become a graveyard tale tradition.
We've done it since the very first year that we started this show.
So we want to keep it going.
And like Matt said, y'all always knock it out of the park.
And we've already gotten a few of them, so keep them coming.
So Matt, that's all I've got for the housekeeping here.
So why don't you tell us what are we talking about tonight, brother?
Well, before we get into that, I got something I wanted to show you, and I wanted your reaction.
I didn't tell you about this.
Oh, okay.
All right, so do you know what bitty boomers are?
Nope.
Okay.
So bitty boomers are the...
And really, I think they're trying to be the new Funko pop, okay?
They are these tiny Bluetooth speakers, okay?
About yay big.
They're mostly egg-shaped.
And they have characters.
You know, you can get the Disney characters.
They have some with, you know, football teams and, you know, movies, cartoon characters,
you know, everything from teenage beaten-in to turtles to whatever, okay?
I think I bought one for one of the kids when they first came out, had Fortnite character on it.
Well, I found this one the other day, and I have no need for another Bluetooth speaker,
but I thought this was too cool because this one isn't egg-shaped like all the rest.
Hmm.
So I'm gonna get this on camera.
Oh, well, that's cool.
I like that.
So if you're watching the video, you're seeing what I'm showing.
This is a miniature Bluetooth speaker that is thing from the Adam's family.
Yeah, I love that.
More specifically, this is the version of thing that's in the Netflix show Wednesday.
Yeah.
Because it's all stitched up and stuff.
And it just sits.
It just sits.
I can't, I can't, I'll go the wrong way.
It just sits up.
That's cool.
I mean, this is too, this is too, it's too big and cool.
I got to have this for the graveyard.
Yeah.
I may have to look into those because.
And it works.
I mean, it really, it really sounds good for, we should say hashtag on a sponsor.
Yeah, they are not a sponsor.
They could be if Betty Boomer wants to hit us up.
That's right.
We do not mind promoting Bluetooth speakers.
I was like, that is cool.
And I had yet, I had yet to, I just picked it up yesterday.
I had yet to tell Adam about it.
And I was like, I'm just gonna tell him on the show.
Yeah, I like it.
So on that note, man.
Since you're telling us stuff, why don't you tell us what are we talking about tonight, brother?
All right.
So tonight, Adam and I are gonna dig into a theory that's hundreds of years old.
And this is the hollow earth theory.
Okay.
The idea that the earth is not as we think it is.
It's not solid with this molten core.
Like you understand, it's this, it's the theory that.
I thought it was just like, I told Adam, I thought a minute was like a gumball.
Okay.
We're all on the outside on the crust and the inside is just open space.
That's not exactly what it is.
No.
And it's far more complicated than that.
Okay.
And I'm not gonna attempt to explain it.
I'm gonna leave that to Adam.
Oh, good.
But it's fascinating.
What is so fascinating to me is when this theory arrived, the time that it became a popular
idea.
I'm gonna say idea because I don't think it ever really took off completely.
But let's get into it, Adam.
Let's talk about what hollow earth really means.
You'll have to forgive me.
I've got like a tickle in my throat that I can't get rid of for some reason.
So I apologize.
Well, if you'd quit shoving that feather down your throat, then maybe it'd go away.
But it's my kink, Matt.
I'm sorry.
Don't kink shame me.
He looks like so faster with all these feathers coming out of his mind.
It's my thing.
I'm sorry.
Before we get into it, we'll say go check our sources down at the bottom of the show notes.
You can find where we found all this information.
You can continue the research.
So what is the theory?
Well, basically, the hollow earth theory is that the earth is just a shell with walls about 800 miles
or so thick.
Now, in the polar regions, they say that there are holes, 1400 miles across, with edges that
curve smoothly from the outside of the shell around to the inside.
A sea or surface traveler could proceed over an edge of the hole like an ant crawling over
the lip of a coffee mug from the outside to the inside and not be aware that he was actually
entering the interior of the earth.
I see that.
And we were talking about that before we started recording it.
And my brain cannot compute this idea that you wouldn't know.
You wouldn't realize, because I'm thinking, if you get what he's saying, essentially,
the earth's got a hole in the top and a hole in the bottom.
And at first, I thought, is it like a tube?
So the earth looks like a giant bead with a tube right through the center.
It's not that.
It's just that it folds under itself, and I'm thinking, at what point do they go, hey,
where'd the sky go?
Right.
You know, we didn't realize we went over the lip.
I mean, how subtle does that got to be?
I like that analogy of the ant.
But I'm thinking, you know, the ant's going to realize it's now going down instead of up.
Yeah.
Well, that would be my thing is gravity pulling on you differently.
Yeah, but yeah.
Now in 1692, astronomer Edmund Haley, yes, the same one that Haley's comment is named after,
speculated in a paper that the earth was hollow.
Looking at the earth's magnetic field, Haley noticed that it was shifting and variable.
So he believed that this was because the earth was hollow and that the magnetic fields
were being thrown off by three inner shells within the earth, each with its own magnetic
poles.
So if you don't really understand the composition of the earth, then yeah, you could draw
that inference from watching the magnetic field of the earth shift.
Right.
And in 1692, they did not understand the composition of the earth.
Right.
Right.
Now, Haley imagined the objections of critics of the theory, including that the outer shell
could crumble and descend with gravity onto the inner circle, revealing the surface
to the, quote, mole people below essentially like this.
Haley believed that the shells were, quote, lined throughout with a magnetic,
magnetic matter, or rather to be one great concave magnet, end quote.
Or so the shell is kept up given that magnetism is a stronger force than gravity,
really running wild with the theory.
Haley proposed that there may be life down there arguing that otherwise it would be pointless.
So he's saying that there is a magnetic field to each of the shells and they act like
positive poles, so they're constantly pushing away from one another.
Yeah.
And I love this argument that there's got to be life down there.
Otherwise, it would be pointless.
Right.
I mean, I've heard people use a similar, similar argument for life on other planets.
Right.
Because it's, okay, if we have all these planets and all these other galaxies,
there's got to be life there.
Otherwise, what would be the point?
Right.
What's the point in having that other planet?
That is such a human view.
True.
If it's not human, then it's not crap.
Yeah.
That's the way it feels.
It's like, well, we're just a part of this universe, really.
I don't know if we're gone, the universe is still going to be here.
So it's like, yeah.
It's kind of a little bit of hubris there.
But I get what he's saying in our understanding, why would it be this way?
If there wasn't something living there, why would it exist at all?
Right.
Yeah.
Now, quote, since it is now taken for granted that the Earth is one of the planets
and they are all with reason supposed habitable, why then should we think it's strange
that this prodigious mass of matter should serve only to support its surface?
Why may not we rather suppose that it's so disposed by the Almighty Wisdom
as to yield as great a surface for the use of living creatures as can consist
with the conveniency and security of the whole, he wrote.
So basically, he's expounding on what we just talked about
that if this whole thing was made, why not make all of it inhabitable?
Yeah.
That's what he's saying.
And Haley's an interesting cat because he's basically telling you that he's a creationist
and he believes in divine intervention that led to the formation of the universe, definitely of the Earth.
So that with that, again, I think you have a tendency to put human views on an Almighty being
who would have said, oh, well, I can put a little inside thing here
and I can put more animals and creatures there.
Right.
Even then, I think it's odd to think that if there is an Almighty creator
that we would have any clue what his thought process or her thought process
would be in the creation of the universe.
Right.
Well, he also added that, quote, we ourselves in cities where we are pressed for room
commonly build many stories, one over the other,
and thereby accommodate a much greater multitude of inhabitants.
So he's saying, why not have stories of Earth levels?
Yeah.
You know, it's like returning the Earth into a giant condominium.
Mm-hmm.
Basically.
Now, there are many variations of hollow Earth theory,
some of which propose everything from there being an underground kingdom called a gartha
or that there are Nazis lurking inside the hollow Earth space and biting their time.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I love that.
I've heard that one.
Yeah.
That's just the third Reich went underground in the hollow Earth to bite their time.
Yeah.
And other believers have gone as far as to say that aliens are down there, Vikings?
Dude, if Vikings are down there, I'm going.
I'm going.
But they have to be exactly like they were.
Yeah.
You know, I don't want to go down there and meet like modern Vikings.
No.
You know, Vikings with smartphones.
Well, you know.
And here's a funny assigned to that, but it proves what you're saying.
And when I told Ashley this, she said, this sounds like one of your BS stories,
because I have a tendency, I'll make stuff up to her and Michael,
and it's totally BS, but I say it so straight that she thinks I'm serious.
This is not, this is 100% true.
There was a Viking king named Bluetooth.
Yes.
Yes.
It was.
He is the reason that Bluetooth is named Bluetooth because he was a great communicator
and brought Viking clans together.
Yes.
The logo for Bluetooth is his name, the initials for Bluetooth in whatever form they used,
the Roonick alphabet.
Yeah.
So I don't want to go down there and find Bluetooth using Bluetooth speakers is basically where I was going.
But isn't that the coolest story?
I remember the first time I saw that.
I was like, to just know that there were, there was people that said,
all right, we got a name, this technology.
And they looked into history and found all that and did it.
I love it.
I love it.
That stuff blows me away.
I love it.
But you know, Adam, they also believe, but we got off on Vikings,
but you said the Nazis, how about this theory is great.
Adam and Eve, the Garden of Eden was actually underground.
And when they were banished from the Garden of Eden, they were banished to the surface.
Okay.
All right.
You got to go to the surface.
And then in the same biblical vein, the lost tribes of Israel migrated from the surface to the inside.
Oh, okay.
And so that's how they became lost.
All right.
I mean, you know, it's just...
I love the theories because...
Yeah.
It's like, if the earth is hollow, you can't 100% disprove that.
Yeah, exactly.
You can't.
So I love it because it's like, well, maybe.
I don't know.
Anything goes on down there.
Yeah.
I've heard dinosaurs and stuff still down there and everything.
But I mentioned a gartha.
So I need to look at a gartha.
Now, a gartha is a legendary city that is said to reside in the earth's core and is the center of the hollow earth theory.
The capital of a gartha is known as Shambhala or Shangri-La.
And Matt and I have talked about doing...
Not close of Shambhala.
Yeah.
That's all.
I do, unfortunately.
Matt and I have talked about doing like an episode on Shangri-La because it's supposed to be, you know, this mythical city where...
It's like heaven.
But apparently a gartha in the hollow earth, the capital city is Shambhala.
So it is heaven there in hollow earth.
Now, there are said to be several entrances to the kingdom of a gartha throughout the world.
Some of the entrances are found on planetary grid points.
It says end wells and out wells of energy.
So let's look at a few of these supposed entrances to the hollow earth.
The Kentucky mammoth cave.
Oh, yeah.
Now, I told you before we started rolling, Matt, to me, if there's going to be a hollow earth, the entrance is not going to be a 1400 square mile hole.
At the pole, it's going to be through caves.
Yeah.
We're going to have to get there through caves.
So this one, if it's legit, I, yeah, I believe that the mammoth cave system is the entrance, one of the entrances.
Also, Manaus, Brazil, Marona, Santiago, and Ecuador Mount Epameo in Italy, the Himalayan Mountains in Tibet.
And that's where most Tibetans say Shambhala is, is in the Himalayan Mountains.
So if that's the case, maybe they're not far off.
You do have to go into the Himalayan Mountains to get to Shambhala.
It's not on the peak.
You have to go down.
Maybe that's why nobody's found it.
Mongolia, or more exact, the border of Mongolia in China.
Roma, India, through the Great Pyramid, through King Solomon's mine.
Obviously, the North and South Poles, like we said, and Mount Shasta, California.
And that's interesting that Mount Shasta is on this list because if you remember back when we did an episode about all the weird stuff that happens in and around Mount Shasta,
one of the ideas that we touched on was that there was this ancient civilization that lived under the mountain.
And that these disappearances were people that had found an entrance to this underground civilization.
Right, right.
And then they go a step further and say that they could be reptilian and all this stuff.
But it's interesting that Mount Shasta shows up here.
And there is all those weird disappearances that have happened around that area.
Yeah. Could there be something to it?
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know, but it just, it makes it interesting.
It makes me think, did one of these begat the other one.
Like because there are all that weird stuff in the theories that have come out about, could there be something underground at Mount Shasta?
Is that why it's on this list or vice versa?
Yeah, it's possible.
Now, we need to look at the inhabitants of the hollow earth.
Because, like Haley said, if there's nobody down there, what's the point?
Right.
Right.
Now, apparently the old ones are supposed to live there.
And you've heard me talk about the old ones.
I believe that there are old entities on the earth that have been around since creation.
But let's look at what they say here.
In an article entitled The Hollow Earth Myth Reality
from, for Atlantis rising, Brad Steiger writes of the legends of old ones, an ancient race that populated the surface,
surface world millions of years ago, and then moved underground.
Quote, the old ones, an immensely intelligent and scientifically advanced race, Steiger writes,
had chosen to structure their own environment under the surface of the planet and manufacture all their necessities.
The old ones are hominid, extremely long lived, and predate homo sapiens by more than a million years.
The old ones generally remain aloof from the surface peoples.
But from time to time, they have been known to offer constructive criticism.
And it has been said, they often kidnap human children to tutor and rear as their own.
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So, I mean, what if weird sightings of cryptids and stuff or things coming up from the old ones down there?
No, that's an idea.
You know, we don't find dead cryptids.
Bigfoot's an old one, maybe.
That's right.
You know, or, you know, he comes up, he goes back down, he knows how to get in and out and we don't.
He's a hominid and they say he uses caves a lot, so maybe.
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's an interesting thought.
I really hadn't considered that, but.
Yeah, the elder race.
Now, one of the most controversial tales of inner earth dwellers is a so-called shaver mystery.
In 1945, amazing stories magazine under the editor ship of Ray Palmer ran a story told by Richard Shaver,
who claimed he had recently been the guest of what remained of an underground civilization.
Although few really believe the story and many suspect that shaver may actually have been psychotic,
shaver always avert that his story was true.
So, I think when people, especially with this story, when people think about an underground civilization,
they don't think deep enough.
I mean, they're, they're thinking like, you know, somebody has, they've dug down about 200 feet.
Right.
And there they are.
But when you bring this up with hollow earth, it's, it's way, way, way, way down there.
800 miles at least.
Yeah.
And I don't know if that makes it more or less believable, but I think the idea that there would be a race of people,
you know, essentially just under the surface, you know, a civilization.
I think that makes it completely unbelievable.
I think that, you know, I don't think anyone believes that there's people that close to us,
or even an elder race that's that close to the surface that we haven't interacted with yet.
Right. Right.
Now, Shaver contended that the elder race or the Titans came to this planet from another solar system in our prehistoric past.
After a time of living on the surface, they realized our son was causing them to age prematurely,
so they escaped underground building huge subterranean complexes in which they live.
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evacuating the earth and leaving behind their underground cities, populated by artificial beings,
the evil Darrow or the detrimental robots and the good Darrow integrated robots.
And it was these beings that Shaver claimed to have met.
I don't know.
That's, yeah, it gets, it gets a little out there.
Yep.
Now, ancient philosophy states that a Gartho was first colonized thousands of years ago when a holy man led a tribe to the underground.
The people have scientific knowledge and expertise far beyond that of the people who live on the surface of the planet.
Buddhist theory suggests there to be a race of supermen and superwomen who occasionally come to the surface to oversee the development of the human race.
It's also believed that this subterranean world has millions of inhabitants in many cities.
The king of this world is believed to have given orders to the Dalai Lama of Tibet, who is his terrestrial representative.
His messages are transmitted through certain secret tunnels connecting the inner world of a Gartho with Tibet.
So the people there are supposed to talk with the Dalai Lama, who then translates the message to us.
Well, and the Dalai Lama is considered to be divine.
He's God on earth.
But there's that connection between Shangri-La and the Himalayas again.
If Shangri-La is somewhere or the entrance to it is somewhere in the Himalayas, then a holy man in Tibet would be connected to a Gartho to be receiving this information from the king.
It all kind of fits in, like just a little puzzle.
Now, this next one is one I've heard many times and for a long time.
Among the Native American peoples, the Navajo legends teach that the four runners of man came from beneath the earth.
Ancient ones had supernatural powers but were driven from their caverns by a great flood.
Once on the surface, they passed on their great knowledge to the human race before once again seeking their great sanctuary.
The Pueblo Indians mythology also places their gods place of origin in the inner earth.
The inner world was supposedly connected to the surface people by a hole in the north.
The ancient writings of Chinese Egyptian and Eskimos speak of great openings in the north and of a race of people who live under the earth's crust.
These writings say that their ancestors came from the Paradise Land in the earth's interior.
I've heard that for a long time, but there's a lot of Native American legends about ant people and people who come from the inner earth that started the civilization on the surface.
Yeah, I've heard similar things too.
I'll be honest, I've just kind of passed over them their interesting legends.
But when you look at them through this lens, it makes it a little more interesting.
Now, in India, there is an actual belief still held by some in a subterranean race of serpent people who dwell in the city's patala and bogavati.
According to the legend, they wage war on the Kingdom of Agartha.
The Nagas, according to the deep dwellers, are described as a very advanced race or species with highly developed technology.
They also harbor and disdain for human beings whom they are said to abduct, torture, interbreed with, and even to eat.
So we have legends of reptilian people here, but this is the serpent people.
And if you go to the east, you'll see the Naga represented in a lot of Asian countries.
There is the Naga, which is a big serpent.
So it makes me wonder, I don't know for a fact I didn't dive if that is the connection there, but it seems to be.
Here's an interesting side note, I guess.
So you remember Ricky Tiki Tavi?
Okay, the Rudyard Kippling book.
Do you remember the names of the Cobras?
No.
Nag and Nagina.
Oh, okay.
So that's kind of interesting that the Naga's, I have not come across that term before.
Before we did this research, the Naga's, I have not come across that term before.
So when you brought that up, the Naga's a race of serpent people.
And then immediately I thought, oh yeah, a nag and Nagina, where the Cobras and the book bring Tiki Tavi.
It makes me wonder if that's where Kippling got the inspiration.
I'm sure.
Yeah, it's pretty neat.
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Now this is while the entrance to Bogavati is somewhere in the Himalayas.
Believers assert that patala can be entered through the well of Sheshna in the Banaras, India.
Now says William Michael Mott and the deep dwellers, quote,
according to herpetologist and author Sherman A. Mitten as stated in his book,
Venomous Reptiles,
this entrance is very real with 40 steps which descend into a circular depression
to terminate at a closed stone door which is covered in borrowleaf cobras.
So maybe there is.
If there's a depression that they put steps in and then a stone door with borrowleaf cobras in it,
would that be there for no reason?
Now maybe there is a cave there that people thought was the entrance to the underworld where the Nagas lived.
Yeah. And speaking of these cobras talking about India,
have you ever seen these shows where they capture these cobras for people in India?
Yeah.
And I don't know if it's like this or not.
I mean, I had one of my one of my closest friends in college.
His family was from India. I think he was born in Boston.
But you know, he had been to India like once and he kept telling me how hot it was.
But it would make you think that India is just lousy with cobras.
Yeah.
Like everywhere you go, you better look out because there's a cobra around there.
And you know, cobras are a, they're a very unique reptile.
You know, they have very unique markings and behavior, highly venomous.
It's just interesting that some spit.
Yeah, some spit and spit far and accurately.
So what's interesting about that is such a unique reptile on the surface would be
predominantly in a country that has theoretically something like this.
Right.
You know, this entrance, these deep dwellers.
And again, is it, you know, the theory come about because somebody was walking around
going, God dang, this place is lousy with cobras.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, wonder where they're all coming from.
Well, they all live underground.
Oh, okay.
So there's got to be something underground that's producing these deadly cobras.
Right.
Right.
And that could be it.
Well, in Tibet, there's a major mystical shrine also called Patala, which is said by the people
there to sit atop an ancient cavern and tunnel system, which reaches throughout the Asian continent
and possibly beyond.
The Naga's also traditionally have an affinity with water and the entrances to their underground
palaces are often said to be hidden at the bottom of wells, deep lakes and rivers.
Well, the famous Russian channel Nicholas Rorich, who was a channel for the ascended master,
El Moria, claimed that Lasa, the capital of Tibet, was connected by a tunnel with the inner
earth, Shambhala.
The entrance of this tunnel was guarded by llamas who were sworn to secrecy.
A similar tunnel was believed to connect the secret chambers at the base of the great pyramid
of Giza and Agartha.
Yeah.
And maybe there is something at the bottom of the pyramid because we don't know what it's
for.
Yeah.
We haven't exactly figured out what the pyramid of Giza is for.
So it's not a burial tomb.
Right.
So maybe it's the entrance to Shambhala.
That's right.
That's right.
You've ever been up close to a llama?
Yeah.
Once.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I was near a couple of them at a petting zoo one time.
The next time I have that opportunity, I'm going to walk up to that llama and I'm going to go,
tell me your secrets.
Yeah.
I was going to say they all look like they're shady.
Like they're hiding something from them.
Yeah.
What do you know?
You seen the look on their face?
They look like they're hiding something or holding in a fart.
I don't know.
One of the two.
And then when I wiped a spit off of me, you know.
Right.
Right.
Man, if you didn't want to tell me, just say no.
Right.
You don't have to spit on it.
You don't have to spit on it.
That's rude.
How rude.
And you know, all of these theories, especially Haley's, you know, they're fascinating.
They're interesting.
In the modern day, we can look back at it and say, well, we understand now what they didn't
understand then, that this is not just highly unlikely, but most likely impossible.
But the theory essentially has been disproved.
I mean, we're not discussing something that nobody has ever looked into.
And we've got a pretty good idea of what's going on inside planet Earth.
But aside for a few mysterious and ancient structures that are lurking within, which does kind
of keep this thing alive.
You know, we dig down far enough and we find evidence that somebody was there at some point.
Well, we don't know is it where they actually underground or did the ground just cover this.
But it doesn't seem the Earth is not hollow.
It doesn't seem that way.
But instead, it's made up of the crust and the mantle and the outer inner core, like you learned in science class in school.
But the first experiment to prove that the Earth was not hollow took place in 1774, not what I expected.
But scientists use a mountain in Scotland to calculate the density of the Earth.
And the team showed that the sheer mass of Mount Shahalian, while I'm saying that terribly wrong, Shahalian, Mount Shahalian.
I've said it three different ways.
I'll just go with you.
The mass attracted Pendulums toward it.
You know, we know it was something.
If the mass is so dense, it begins to have its own gravitational pull.
Right.
Now, using this and surveying the mountain, they were able to roughly calculate the density of the Earth,
you know, which showed them it's not hollow.
But since the mountain experiment, we've come up with much more sophisticated ways of looking inside our planet.
And we utilize earthquakes and a technique known as seismic tomography.
So when earthquakes occur, waves of energy are sent out in all directions.
And by measuring the tremors from several locations at the surface, scientists can create a map of the Earth's interior.
And since rocks and liquids within the Earth are of different densities, the waves move through them at different speeds, allowing geologists to figure out what type of material the waves are going through.
Now, we have found some cool and unusual features using this method, but no hollow spots or mysterious underground kingdoms.
Now, again, just because we haven't found them doesn't mean they don't exist.
Right.
But the scientific evidence sure does point to the fact that this isn't how it works.
You know, it's not hollow, there's not anything down there.
But despite that, in 2007, a man planned to go on a voyage to the North Pole to find the gateway to the center of the Earth.
And he was spurred on by his understanding of the hollow Earth theory, which of course had been disproved in 1774.
Now, eventually this particular project was canceled, which the article said, much to the dismay of the ice moles living underneath.
But apparently it got anarchy much.
But apparently this voyage got pretty far before it just completely fell apart.
They had an icebreaker ship to go up there and just plow through the polar ice cap until they just sailed right into the opening to the center of the hollow Earth.
It didn't occur.
That's a shame.
But even with the evidence of the calculated density, not everyone was fully convinced that the Earth was not hollow.
So 50 years after the mountain experiment, Captain John Cleve Sims Jr., an American officer, an army officer, released his own theory on a hollow Earth.
In 1818, Sims issued his circular number one to quote each notable foreign government, reigning prints, legislature, city, college, and philosophical societies throughout the union and to individual members of our national legislature, as far as the 500 copies would go.
He just did everybody then.
That's right. Just get it out there.
Now, circular number one states, I declare that the Earth is hollow and habitable within containing a number of solid concentric spheres, one within the other, and that it is open at the poles 12 or 16 degrees.
I pledge my life in support of this truth, and I am ready to explore the hollow if the world will support and aid me in the undertaking.
So we should have sent him.
Yeah. So Sims believed that like Haley, these were essentially concentric circles at one inside the other, like Russian nesting dolls, except Sims believed that there were five were Haley believed that there were three.
But much like Haley, he believed that there was life down there or that human life from the surface could be sustained down there, and he wanted to find out.
So after Sims circular number one, you know, went out, he, he pretty much got ridiculed. I mean, he, he, he got laughed off the stage essentially.
And nobody was really interested in the idea of a hollow Earth, and certainly no one was up for funding an expedition to go there or to even try, especially after the 1774 mountain experiment.
So he was pretty much dismissed. And, and that information is according to his son, America's, you know, that said, you know, yeah, he, you know, he wrote, you know, this was, this was his theory and, you know, he tried to pick up where his dad left off.
But nobody was buying it. But one thing that did come of it is these openings across the planet that make it into the hollow Earth, that make it below the surface, have become known as Sims holes.
S-Y-M-M-E-S, Sims holes. And that was pretty much from literature, because there, there are several books throughout history that utilize this idea of there being a hollow Earth.
And they're fictional, but they pull from Haley and Sims theories on how it worked, what would be there to create their, their fictional stories.
So, since Haley and Sims, scientists have amassed evidence proving the Earth isn't hollow. Andrew Campbell, a professor of geophysics at the University of Chicago, said the most straightforward explanation is that Earth's density is greater than that of the rocky layer comprising its crust.
He says Earth has a density of 5.5 grams per cubic centimeter on average, counting all the mass of the planet, while rocks in the crust have a density of 2.7 grams per cubic centimeter on average.
So, if our planet was hollow, the density would be lower, not greater than the density of its crust.
So essentially, Campbell is saying since the Earth gets more dense as we go down, it can't be hollow, because if it were hollow, the density would be much, much less, the deeper we go.
And so Adam said this earlier, it's like, well, we can't disprove this. So I looked up, if we can't disprove it, how close can we get, how far can we actually drill down and find out.
So I looked this up, the, the koala, the, it's not koala, looks like koala, the cola, K, O, L, A, the cola super deep bore hole on the cola plant peninsula of Russia reached 12,262 meters.
That's 40,230 feet, and it is the deepest penetration of the Earth's solid surface.
The German continental deep drilling program at 9.1 kilometers, which is 5.7 miles, has shown the Earth's crust to be mostly porous.
So when you said, you know, oh, it's porous. Well, it's just, it's not, it's not solid, just complete solid rock, you know, it's, it's got openings and, and so forth.
I mean, it's like sediment, you know, we, you know, you don't, you don't dig in the ground is 100% solid, you know, it may have microscopic holes that you can't see with your eye, but it's not 100% solid.
But imagine that, I mean, imagine, I mean, 40,000 feet, I mean, you think about it, commercial airliners fly around 36,000 feet, you think about how high that is, you can still see it.
That's how far down this cola, cola super deep borehole is.
Now, the theory is that the shell of the Earth, the outer shell is 800 miles thick. Right. So we're not even getting close.
No, we wouldn't have made it to test that theory.
Yeah, I mean, 5.7 miles out of 800, I mean, you hadn't even started that journey. Right. Right.
So Adam's right. We can't, we can't really prove this, not in the old fashioned way.
No, we've not been there and, you know, we have really good guesses according to the data and the studies that we've done.
Now, don't get me wrong. I don't think the Earth is hollow. I'm just playing devil's advocate.
I don't either.
I'm the devil's advocate for this one. You know, we, I believe that science is right on this one that we do have a solid, you know, or semi solid core surrounded by magma with the crust floating on top of it.
But we've not been able to penetrate down there to actually visualize it and see it and we can't like do ground penetrating radar and see it.
So we don't know 100% that that's what it is. And Matt, you had said something about well, we know it gets hotter as we go further down.
Yeah. And I mean, scientifically, we know that realistically, we know that. But in the hollow earth vein, if you're talking about it, it's 800 miles thick.
So if you've got an 800 mile thick outer crust, what if it itself does the goes from solid rock down to magma and then on the inside back to solid rock.
So you basically, yeah, I see you say sandwich of magma. Yeah. And you've got three cores or even just one. You know, I'm not going for the three shell thing. We'll just say it's hollow.
And what if that's the case? And that's why we have volcanoes and stuff. We do have magma down there. Yeah.
It still could be hollow. But within that 800 mile crust, you have molten rock that pushes up occasionally. It's like a hot pocket.
Okay. Yes. You've got that nice crust on top. And as you stick the fork in, it gets hotter as it gets towards the middle.
But if you keep pushing all the way through it, you get to the crust on the other side. Okay. It's still frozen. And yeah. So, you know, you can, that's, that's the best way I can think of it.
But I hadn't thought of that. But as soon as you started explaining it, I was like, oh, yeah, this is where he's going. You just, you go, if you can make it past the magma.
Yep. You know, then you get to what would be the center from the other side. Exactly. Exactly. Now again, I don't believe this, but devil's advocate. That couldn't be the case is that we do have a hollow earth.
We do have an 800 mile thick outer wall. But also in there is magma. That's why we have plate tectonics and everything.
It's floating on this hot pocket of magma.
Yep. But just like any other, you know, theory like this, much like flat earth, there are people today that are going to tout this theory and, you know, try to convince people that it's absolutely that way.
It's absolutely hollow. And there's absolutely a race and ancient race of beings living underneath the surface. And, you know, I don't know, you know, you just, you just got to take a lot of that with just like, okay, you know, because there's always going to be those people.
You know, there, there's always going to be there. And whether they really believe it or not, you can't really tell, you know, some people just love taking the opposite side.
Sure. You know, I think there's, there's a lot of people they just, they say stuff like, yeah, I'm, I'm a flat earther just because they know it'll bug another person around earth.
Yeah. I don't, I don't know. I don't know. It doesn't look that way scientifically, but it certainly is an interesting theory to discuss.
Because as you can tell, you know, from everything from dinosaurs to Nazis, you know, living down there, all bets are off when you, when you open up the idea of the earth being hollow.
And how people could have gotten down there without even realizing it.
Right. Maybe they started down there. Yeah. And then they came up here. We're, we're, we're, we're the product of the people that said, hey, let's see what's going on up top.
Yep. Exactly. It's not so bad up here. Let's stay. Like what the, uh, corpse bride. I always, uh, quote this when I hear anybody say upstairs upstairs.
I didn't know we had an upstairs.
Lord, I've seen that movie so many times. So you knew exactly what I'm talking about.
Upstairs. I didn't know we had an upstairs. You know, the only one of those movies I haven't seen repeatedly is Franken weeny.
Oh, yeah. And you know, there, there's that whole theory that, that Franken weeny corpse bride. And then the night member for Christmas.
Right. It's all the same person. Yeah. And then just a backwards telling of it. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's pretty interesting too. But we're not going to get into that.
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