Fraud Boys | Group Chat News Ep. 785

Hey guys, welcome to all three in the studio group chat great episode great episode. There's just a different air to these different vibe yeah these in the studio. I will say for everyone who was hating on our that one episode where we just like ran to the whole time we didn't quite do that but we did have you know we covered some news but we had some good spirited debates there's some good sort of you know you guys can tell us what you think we sort of had some disagreements where we fell on different sides and you guys can let us know what you think. Amazing. We're starting off the interview with one of our regular friends of the pod. Who do we got? We got Steve Patino here from Alice Gray. We always talk about good deals for everybody. We wanted to start the episode with an incredible deal and just like a great story that you guys have all been following since the inception of the brands. Steve's here from Alice Gray to talk about some of his new product launches all the new retailers he's working with and really just thank everyone that has been supporting the brand. There you go. All right you guys ready? Let's do it. Oh do it. All right Kathie's of course we always bring you the best possible deals and our good friend friend of the pod Steve Patino is back with you know you've been following the journey since day one Alice Gray has been going through some incredible incredible announcements that we're going to talk about today but he's been working hard for the last couple years to build a sustainable really performance driven footwear brand and it's exciting because as of now the brand is now launched in REI Nordstrom, Foot Locker, Paxon and Zoomies which you know if you're in the industry to launch a brand in those stores is kind of insane so congratulations Steve. Thank you. Thank you to you and we're here to talk about the launch of a two of his styles. I'm wearing one if you're watching video once called the Frontline Pro and the Frontline Pro is truly like when you look at the shoe you're going to be like okay it looks cool. What's so special about it? I mean it took years to develop this shoe. Steve talk to us about the Frontline Pro. Yes well thank you Dean and I want to first just thank all the Kathies for all the support. You guys are amazing. You are the best supporters of our company so we want to bring you something special today and to tell you about the Frontline Pro really to your point is it's something that looks very simple on the outside but it takes world-class level engineering because the shoe is done in eight minutes with zero water waste. It also has three different molds for every single shoe and it's done by millimeter. So the whole shoe is injected molding which is the most advanced technology in the world and the entire shoe gets done with one single injection which is crazy because as everyone who knows your manufacturer stuff to make a pair of jeans or shoes you have 40 touch points 25 different vendors. It's damn near impossible. So the fact that you could do this is crazy. Exactly and then to be able to do it at this level where they're engineered in Italy with the most advanced bio-based materials in the world that are five to ten times ahead of all the biggest companies ahead of the Nike's ahead of the Adidas and to be able to do this as a startup and bring the highest quality product on the planet. We are the only company that has double non-slip certification and then third-party audit certification for our sustainability for our manufacturing. We are the only in the planet which is wild. Like if you think about footwear and you think about Nike and Adidas and underarmour and these are like the biggest companies in the world and like when it comes to like what you've done is just phenomenal. So the frontline pro so I've been wearing it all weekend because it just came in. It's so fucking comfortable and it's really like you built it for like the work economy. So the idea was for medical workers, restaurant workers, folks that are on their feet all day and what I find it interesting is like I wear it all day, kids party, whatever. It's insanely comfortable and I think like it's pretty fascinating when you think about you know Javier's been doing some TikToks for for you and we were joking like LeBron James. Yeah. Arguably to for me the most important athlete in the world is walking around in $25 Nike slides, $25 Nike slides and he's walking to a game in Nike slides which is just fucking crazy and then you've built and how much is the shoe now? The shoe is $98 retail under $100. Under $100, the comfort, the sustainability, the performance is just phenomenal and so now what's the promo you want to run? So we're thrilled and excited that we have just launched with REI, the largest outdoor retail in the country. What we're doing for all the caties, for all the support that you guys have done since day one for us is that and for any of the caties I haven't purchased or haven't had experienced what an Alaskair product is like is that we're doing a buy one get one. So if you buy one shoe on REI.com, you basically all you do is screenshot us on our Alaskair Instagram page as sent us to a DM with the screenshot of your purchase and then you can pick another shoe and then we'll send you that shoe for free. That's so you're getting an offer of 50% off, you get two shoes for one and that's exciting. It's $200 bucks, you get two shoes for 150 bucks, you also have a recovery slide. Talk to us about the recovery slides. So the recovery slides, the Malibu, it's the world's first sustainable recovery slide with added superior art support, lightness, your whole toe is covered, it has aerodynamic fit. It also is a shoe that is also made in eight minutes with zero waterways, but more importantly, it's the comfort. If you're whether you're golfing or whether you're playing tennis, if you're a runner, that's the shoe, whether you're doing yoga or pilates, that's the shoe that after or before, you're able to wear and you're able to now actually take over 51% of the energy that you would have done with every rebound and actually have that saved. So with every step so that the second that you, like let's say for example, like after a run club, we wear them, people put on the recovery slides immediately, you immediately feel the weight off of your back, your lower back which hurts, your at the back of your hamstrings, your thighs, and that to me is really something that wasn't out there. There wasn't an alternative for that kind of high level quality slide. Like what you talked about with major athletes, right now we've just sent over a hundred professional athletes across the country all wearing a less gray. And the reason why was we just asked them, we're like, how would you sacrifice your level contract, right? Your feet are literally what you're, your feet are worth millions and sometimes tens and 50 hundreds and millions of dollars. How are you wearing a shoe that costs $20? Yeah. And if you, I mean, you know the retail map and just for any of the cat these, right, a $20 retail shoe costs $2.00 FOB to make. Yeah. What can you get for $2? Yeah. It just doesn't make sense. And when we put that out there, they were just like, oh my god, you know, we love your shoes. And it's really, really incredible to be a testament of that not only retailers, but athletes, they need professional level quality for it. Yeah. This is professional level quality comfort. We have an athlete on the pod, drama, he boxes, golfs. So you mean you're a perfect candidate for recovery. But yeah, so Kathie's head over to REI dot com. Pick up the front line pro. And then you could pick out either the front line pro, the recovery slide or the classic rodeo drive clog, which I wear all the time as your second shoe. So if you need two shoes, you want to get your friend a shoe, your husband, your wife, girlfriend, brother, son, daughter, everyone's covered. Yeah. And I think that's perfect because you know, we'll figure out a shoe get to get to you. And like you said, it's literally we come in men's and women's unisex sizes so that you can pick somebody for somebody else in the family to or for yourself get to, which is great and perfect. And kids are coming soon too. Yes. All right, Kathie's head over to REI dot com. Check it out. Aless Gray and send us a screenshot. Thank you, Steve congrats. Thank you, Kathie's. Let's go back into the episode. No, let's get the episode started because it's. Let's get the episode fucking Rory. That's good news. You want me to use that? Yes. Okay. Another option, right? You record. You keep your audio too. Just keep all this. All right, great job, guys. Now let's get into the episode. He's got to leave in an hour. I just got to leave by nine. We got a flight. Yeah. We're two now. Yeah. He's crazy. Trust me. Also, I was just I don't know why I asked. I was just thinking maybe you're going to say like San Francisco. I would love to be in like a vacation somewhere. Anyway, well, then we got a hurry because the you I got time by coastal Barry over here. Yeah, I'm by coastal, but I can you say by coastal Barry first first name that came to mind. I think it's golfing me. My buddy Barry and Tom Hanks were hanging out in Greece. I saw really. Oh, it's for fun. Yeah. That's what I saw. So I probably has a pretty good life now. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure he's it's really rich. The best everyone on earth almost. I'm happy so you could take that a little too early, but almost everyone on earth is like the biggest fan of him. Yeah. We've your former president. You're good. It's the best life. It's just being president sucks. I mean, your boy Trump was at the fight. Trump was celebrated in Vegas on TikTok clips on the way over here and people were like jumping out of the cage and shaking his hand. Yeah, everyone loved him. Yeah. He's big in the UFC. Yeah. And especially like I really like seeing like John Shaheedi, not boy. He's just like part of the court. How about like the not boys and Joe Rogan, Dana White just playing cards? Oh, they were. Yeah. Those are on TikTok. I love is if you really go around the celebrities around their octagon other than Trump. A lot of people with podcasts. Yeah. Not saying that their own like Nell boys. Yeah, they were bigger from before they had the podcast, but like now the podcast is their main outlet. Um, Theo Vaughn really blew up off of podcasting. Yep. Um, UFC and podcasts have a price. Wait, can we talk about your first celebrity? Huh? He posted a famous comedian. Yep. How what was what's the story? Well, we went to a show. So I thought you were going to because he got canceled like a couple of years ago. Now I was a little I was like, do I post this or like, because I only know him to do it. No, cancel culture is over. It is. No one said a word. You can do whatever you want now. Yeah. He got canceled for making fun of Asian people, but um, it was just an Asian joke, but then it went viral and yeah, uh, Tony Hengecliffe, really funny comedian, kind of part of the Joe Rogan verse. Yeah. He has a show on YouTube called Kill Tony. Yeah. It's just hilarious. Rogan talks about it on every episode. Yes. And it's so good. And I think I'm literally going to go to Austin to watch it. Wow. That's where they do it. I will because um, my boy from the remember when we went to the roast battle at comedy story, that guy now kind of runs stuff at the Joe Rogan's comedy club. Okay. We have the end. Um, but that show is hilarious. And I was watching it when we were at Coachella, like late at night, and Emilio was there. He got hooked on it. And so Emilio's fiance, Emilio's our good friend to the listeners who is our photographer for young and reckless for a decade. Um, she, like, surprised him with tickets. And so we went. It was in Ontario. Otherwise, that was a mission, but we went. It was really fun. I will tell you, but how did you get the plug? You know, did I say you had a picture with them? No, no, the actual answer. I'm pretty embarrassed. The actual answer was we just walked out and he was just standing there by himself. And Emilio's girl was like, can we get a picture? And he's like, yeah. I don't know. Like I'm an asshole. We have no plug. Let me take this. Ontario, California. You know, I'm very familiar. I know it. Yeah. That is the reason Tilly signing. Yes. In 2006. Yeah. All those same people that were there are now adults at the Ontario mall. And I was so hot. Yeah. I got free VIP tickets. No way. I was treated like a king. I haven't gotten no one said the word fancy factory to me, probably in like, you know, five years. Yeah. Yeah. I felt like I was back at Pakistan. Let me take you to a little place called Columbus, Ohio. And the same thing, very similar to Ontario, California. It's like a little bubble. But anyway, so we went. It was really, really fun. Also, you know, I had a very social weekend, which is out of the norm for me. But happy birthday, Ryza. Yeah. We always have Ryza's birthday. It looks nice. That was fun. Very fun time. And then when it comes to being social on it, I understand that you have a little bit of a bone to pick. Yeah. The boys. The boys. You know, I've been the biggest fan of the boys on the pod. Yeah. So, you know, first time I tried to interact with the boys was, you know, six months ago. And, you know, I gave him a pass. Do we need some back information here? So those that don't know are new to the pod. Yeah. Javier is my EA and works, you know, helps on the podcast. But I've gotten really close to love. Yeah. And so yeah, big. You're very close with them. So this is me. But yeah, yeah. So, Javier has a very famous house. Like a party house. Party house. We've got closed office. Famous is very big term, but yeah. He's famous in Congress. I saw the amount of people under the tent. Yeah. So we call hobby and the boys, the boys. The boys. And so we've been talking about his parties. We've been talking about his business model or lack thereof. We've been talking all about it. It's like an AI company. He just bleeds money. Just I mean, he's waiting for a sad value. How much you lost this weekend? You could somehow get an AI multiple in your investor. That would be insane. So this weekend on and let's go. Let's talk about the party. The party's called post of July. So it's different themes. Last time I think was post it was post globe. Playoff with snow globe. We have post cell. And this was post of July because the house is post office. We should do upon. We got it. We figured it out. We got it. We got it. We're not the boys. So it's the big fourth of July celebration. Post of July. Post office. Double entendre. We got picks in the group chat. Yeah. Looked poppin. That was a tent. Who's paying for the tent? We are. Okay. So they have a tent. And then what happened? Tell us on it. So I want to rewind. So like six months ago, I think four or five months ago, I was in Venice. I'm never in Venice. Yeah. It's very rare. And I tried to hit up Hav. He ghosted me then. And he said, oh, I didn't have service. It was during one of the post parties. No, no. Just like, I was like, I want to hang with the boys. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Give it. Give it. Give it. He texts me then. I was at the basement of Victorian. So there is no service down there. So I've been the basement. There's no service themes to talk about. I don't know. Now we're seeing a pattern. Yeah. Now we're yeah. Fully one shame. We're going to be free in the basement for six months. So then yesterday, before Rice's birthday, I had a close friend's birthday in Venice. Yeah. So I went there around seven pm. And it was like seven thirty eight. There's obviously a gap between, you know, that birthday and Rice's birthday. Yeah. So I was like, Hav, let me pull up. Yeah. Where are the boys? I saw the picture. Yeah. He sends me the address. And he said, stay in Venice. It's all good. Okay. You're into it. This is fake news. Oh, okay. Some of the information was sent, but not like that. But what did you mean by stay in Venice? Why are you in Venice? So he's like, my address is too far over. It's too far. Stay in Venice. So he makes you like half-assing my in. Yeah. Okay. I've been telling on it. Every day for the last three days, it's a day thing two to eight, two to eight. Yeah. He's like, oh, I got other birthday parties. I'm cooler, whatever. I'm never so cooler. No, but you said I had two birthday parties that I had to attend. He was a little busy. Yeah. We're here in both sides. And typically, day parties, there's like a standard deviation, you know, like it's like slow, pop, it's about whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We had two tents this time. He knows it's a day thing. On this side detects me at 7.45, 7.30. Yeah. And I was like, okay, you're in Venice. I'm like, I'm in Culver. I'm kind of far. So I send the address. I'm like, by the time you get here, it's going to be over. So I'm like, I would stay in Venice because the boys are coming to Venice. Oh, the boys are coming to Venice. And then I got ghosted. Yeah. Just tell me like, pull up. Yeah. What was that in the pull up to? You didn't know. What time did you leave? We cut the music at 8. I actually, I actually end up getting food with some Kathy, shout out. KDAR, that was really awesome. Yeah. And then I came back and there's like some straggler. So I was waiting to like lock up and I just passed out on the couch. So I actually didn't go. I would have loved to have just a drink with the boys. See, like I didn't need a party. As a member, Ted Guy, I wanted like the full experience for you, maybe insecure. I wanted to be like, if you can't go sit on, I was like, fuck this. If he was like a 550 text, I would call the one thing I would say is there are onens in the wrong. You shouldn't text the host the day of the party. I think that's too much. Why? It's just too much. Yeah, I was being entertaining. And he's trying to, he's probably trying to max some girl like a mid-mac. He's mid-mac. You've got to look at his phone. I don't like that. I don't know. I feel like being hover close enough that like you take care of the homie. I know, but not at 7 p.m. or whatever. You would have been so disappointed and I've been hyping this up. It's like the first post he party that you guys come to, which is probably never going to happen. Come one day. It's got to be like six prime. I don't need the extravaganza. I need the extravaganza. Yeah, I want to do the first impression. Yeah, I don't want to come as like two boys on the couch. I want to prefer that to show the boy to really do a bunch of boys whacking it. I got it. I got the game. We're there's where there was so many girls there. We just, dude, we were just thinking about them. Okay, well this is a classic social, you don't misunderstand. Yeah, it's just communication though. But I like, I'd like that is Tuna rope. Tuna rope. That's all I mean. I'm they are. We're in a pattern now. Yeah. I'm going to have to stay out of basements. What's your next party? Post labor day. Well, we got to recruit some fonts, obviously. Let's do the math real quick working before we move on. Um, would you lose five grand? Okay, so yeah, so five initially Do all the boys have jobs? No, so two of them are unemployed. I don't know where they're getting this money But this time we did we were like, okay, we need to somehow make some money So we put QR codes no, just QR codes donate to donate that's smart 360 bucks That's it You should you know, you should then you should have hired someone more money But listen, you hired a cute girl in the front and just say everything is free tonight If you don't mind the boys are out a lot of money for this party Could you put 10 20 bucks to that would have crushed that would have crushed and then you would have got like two grand Yeah, no one knows I'm afraid to get you 20 bucks like as long as I'm 100 20 bucks how many people do you have like 200 to 250? Yeah, they're all drinking for free So we told the guys to bring stuff so like that was in a problem, but we provided a lot We got a lot we got 300 hot dogs. It's itself serve or you have a bartender. No, no, it's it's free for all We went to this party on right after that that I was just saying to rice's birthday Keep in mind it was like sponsored by a billion-dollar company And I was still like damn this many free drinks. How much is this car? Like I was doing the math in my head like You know exactly how much that cost you can go there and have free drinks too. Yeah open bar Yeah With bottles I also think if you have a bartender you you consume a lot less alcohol. Yeah People have a heavy hand. That's why they live self-poor you're limiting the hard alcohol We kind of kept those locked in the room and kind of slowly bringing them out because last time we did not do that and it was bad Yeah, how do you guys raise money for it like it's you just work just wait. Yeah, we just wait it out Oh, yeah, and it just blow up 5G What's the upside like are you guys heroes and cover what's going on they're probably all having sex this week Yeah significantly more girls you think because oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, but like yeah If you get girls I get it. Yeah, that's what we're in like it just kind of sick. I don't know. Think about it Think about this if you think about like this. Yeah, think about the reach this party as 250 people if you were to go out To poppy you spend five grand. That's true to what reach six people, but also how much is your portion a thousand bucks? Um right around. Yeah, but thousand bucks you throw party once a quarter. Yeah, so that's worth it. I'll hold on next next Saturday when you're out in Venice or people like that's the boys Are you like famous? I wouldn't say that Did they ever have it does anyone ever come up to me like yo bro heard about your parties. It's like the ex. What's that thing? What's the movie no project? No No, well, yeah, I'll give you a fun story. We were at For work during a trade show a Delayla Las Vegas and she listened to the podcast and she was like oh, it's happy there here And he was actually there so he was like the boys So he's kind of famous the boys from the podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but she knows about the party Kathy pulled up. Yeah, it was it was nice. Yeah, he got free drinks of that brandwood spot right? Yeah Yeah, he was supposed to come. He texted me. I'm bringing a hundred sixty high news. I'm like we're gonna need it ghosted me Jackson this morning like we know he feels I feel like you could break even here. Yeah, you could you could lose less money. How about that? If you lost less money met a bunch of girls How to cool reputation totally worth it. Hey, you know what the good the good thing about what you're doing is you're being responsible Because you're ending early. Yeah, the problem with these house parties. Yeah, is that they're late And then at night you're fucked. Yeah, that's over so the cops came and like we sent out our our token white guy to figure it out. Yeah, and they're super chill They're like yeah, as long as you close your like eight nine like we just have to come because like I guess it's like law with someone calls or something But they didn't even fuck. Yeah, you got the whole system. Yeah, you're so close. You're so close Figured in the sun. You're not just something big, but you guys are a little dumb The problem is we kind of outgrow the house like I don't know we get a mansion Yeah, you started rate if you started to like make a thousand bucks a party. Yeah, then maybe you have like a rent fun You know what you should do watch house party the movie the new version I didn't see the old version if you Old version won't be relevant to you. It's so incredible with me the new version of house party is basically the boys Like a better version of the boys. They so I'll give you the story I'll give you the story. Okay, they throw like a shitty house party at like at you know at like some random And they end up they're like cleaners and they end up cleaning this house That's like insane. It's a mansion. Yeah, and they're broke. They need to make money It turns out to be LeBron's house. Yeah, and so they throw a house party where they charge like $100 a ticket at LeBron's house It's insane. I like that. It's incredible incredible. So you would crush that yeah, that's your thing. All right. Good for you Good for you. Okay. Well, three times a charm on and I got you. We'll see. We'll see. I have another banter. Give it to us. So I was walking in probably hills On Friday morning. I texted D. Yep. Somebody got murdered No, Ringo star from the Beatles. Yeah, is doing a free concert Like in the park. Yes He is Joseph Walls from the Eagles. Yeah, Blake Mills who's like a younger like musician And you got no idea until you walk by it. Yeah, I walked by and I was like what's going on? There's all these people around And I asked one of the cops. I was like, Hey, what what's going on here? And They're like, Oh, Ringo star. This is birthday every year. He was a concert So I just stood and for 45 minutes watch Ringo star host all these musicians They're like 80 years old performing for his birthday That's one of the great things about LA. You just does not exist anywhere else. No, you could literally You could end up like You know, we've ended up at like the montage and Justin Bieber's in the piano. Yeah, we're like a private To be fair like just being spoiled with the H would crew like yeah, you're at one night Dave Chappelle Bieber who somebody's on the stage performing but it's very it but you could be in the lobby at the montage and see Bieber come out and play piano He's like, no, so The cop was like, yeah, just go stand anyone can stand watch like right close to them I was within probably a hundred yards of Ringo star I knew yards as far that's the other end of the football field. Maybe last night. No, could you have gotten closer? Well, it was fenced off. It was fenced off It his crew was like whoever he invited. Yeah, we're his friends for his birthday It's probably 50 people and then everyone else could stand around the The No, there's only 50 people think what park Right Where the sign is where the sign is where the public bathroom is yeah, imagine if you were just on vacation from fucking with So you know, it's crazy. It's like you know, there's like uh buses that go by yeah, and they're pulling up and I was like dude You guys like the TV bus. Yeah, I was like real starts right there. Yeah, I really told them and they were all like no way And I was like, I'm not lying to you like you guys are doing this tour for this. Yeah, yeah like hiding in plain sight Like awesome band anyway. Yeah, here's where Michael Jackson Which is basically half the tour is like I feel like they need to tell them right when the bus was coming And I was like and they all thought I was probably a weirdo. They're probably like oh this guy's crazy. Yeah I have a fun fun story also from the weekend So a few months ago. I got a DM and LinkedIn says hey, I'm a Kathy. I play for the San Jose earthquakes We're coming to town. MLS team playing the galaxy. Would you would you want tickets and Galaxie or LFC? Oh LFC. Sorry. Sorry. We're playing LFC and Anything that had the galaxy the following weekend and I was like oh my god I've been wanting to take my kids to the game And he's like yeah, if you want to go let me know and then turn it that time traveling so I couldn't go He hits me again Friday and he's like hey any interest. So I asked Dominique or could get tickets in this game. Do you want to go? Yeah, I said yes, I want to go and he's been dying to go to a soccer game. So San Jose earthquakes MLS team was playing LFC stadium in LA and his name is Jack Skaken and his buddy Tommy Thompson also a guy on the team both DM me and we're so nice gave gave us tickets gave us like six tickets. Yeah And ended up telling me they're big cathes. They listened to pod wow and so we went to the game On and went recently LFC saying it was a really amazing experience. They're fun. No, it's really it's really fun. It's actually the best uh Stadium I've been to in a long time. I've been to so far. I've been to everywhere but the Vegas stadium Everyone said the Vegas game is better. I For for I mean like it's first of all it's like insane just to watch like how I remember going to a galaxy game like 10 years ago and it was packed and it was crazy but like to see how big MLS has become is like fascinating and so Our guy Jack out of the gate gets the like literally the first 30 seconds He's like on their trip trying to shoot for a goal. It was pretty great. Pretty awesome. I was like man. He scored to be sick But texted him afterwards. So cathes if you're out in San Jose Check him out. They're traveling all over the country so you could maybe catch him Yeah, I'm just really fun. It's really fun. It's really fun. My friend invited me to one the other day and I was like It you know, I heard even for like it's the it's one of the only times. I've seen so many kids too. Yeah, like it is just no the energy isn't safe. Was it full? Uh, yeah, I would say 70% let's go something like sold out or anything but it's a big stadium Uh, the one I have one beef with the experience. Please tell us I promised Dominic ice cream. Yep We walked for 30 minutes There was an ice cream and there was only one stand that had ice cream afterwards. I have a solution But Dustin listens to the pun. Yeah, get him some ice cream. Yeah, come on Dustin Got my kid. We were eating sour patch. Does he just love ice cream and you like I'm sure they have it No, because he his we went to the Dodger. Uh, we went to the all-star uh, uh, the home run derby in the last year and He had first first time he had dip in dots. Yep, and he was like so he was like oh, we're going We're going to game again dip in dots Yeah, that's me when I was a kid and we were literally walking walking walking And we couldn't find a fucking dip in dots And tough tough to find. Yeah, and then I was like you want candy and he was like I don't want anything Like like I feel bad like get something. Yeah, he's like I have sour patch Which you know, it served its purpose, but not dip in dots really weird like How they didn't have ice cream everywhere. Yeah, but great experience. Really fun. It's really easy to go in and out too From the stadium. I would say I like to get food at back. Maybe we know meaning like and entering and leaving I was very painful for me really. Yeah traffic was bananas. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah My trip at USC. Yeah, if I were to look at it now, I'd definitely just park at USC and not and just do the 10-minute walk. Yeah, because it wasn't Okay, well good social weekend. We had very social. All right. We're gonna talk about some news. Let's do it All right, uh, we have a little bit of a red flag here. There is a military base. This is a fun story There's a military base up north by San Francisco It's an air force base to be a little bit more specific and apparently so on and you know more about this But apparently there's this massive piece of land That's worth like a billion dollars. That's right next to this air force base Which as you can imagine Kathie's your brain is starting to say that's a little suspicious because it's privately owned And nobody knows who the investors are they don't know who owned it. And so it's this weird tricky suspicious situation Yeah, I think it's tinfoil Sunday Ring it up. This is my favorite Give a billion dollars of land that's owned right by a U.S. Air Force base, but two hours north of San Francisco Solano County. That's where it is And There's a LLC that they claim there's 97% U.S. investors they claim the other 3% are UK and Irish, but they won't release the names I mean, it's obvious if this guy is do you think of what I'm thinking Bill Gates. Oh, he thinks Gates How did you live golf? Oh, I think it's 100% I think it's like farmer lucky you're like Andrew or something. Why why is Bill Gates buying all the farmland? What does that he's it's Bill Gates? Where does anyone know that? That's over. That's one like topic. It's Bill Gates So you all right, what's your what's your theory? Who's who's the investor behind this? I think it's I think it's live golf Saudis isn't Saudis. Yeah, I think they're deciding. You know, do we want to put a golf course here? Do we want to just Do a little peeking A little peek a little over the fence, you know what I mean put a golf course and then do peek a book I'm just saying a billion dollars in you know Who can shell out a billion dollars without even thinking just to be in close proximity to maybe some secrets This is why people distrust everything like why don't we know who the investors are because it's shady Yeah, and I would even say the opposite on him for me is that I have now come to distrust everyone. So now everything seems shady to me this could be fucking You know a dairy company. Yeah, I mean yeah, you saw there's like Some health organization talking about the Pfizer vaccines potentially are carcinogenic like if you're like if you want To distrust anything. Yeah, it's very easy in this climate because The reality is if historic if you if you went and looked like on and always says history is bullshit Yeah, if history's bullshit present days 100 percent bullshit Yeah, I don't trust anything. We've learned in history. I don't believe any of it. There's a true trust You will you will look at COVID as the biggest scam in the American history in the future. Yes There's a joke that was told at the show. I'm gonna say it you guys will cut it out if you guys think I'm disclosing okay It's not really a joke. No, he told the audience I shouldn't say because he had everyone lock their phones up and he says everyone's phone like the bumps Gonna tell you guys and already cut it out He said that he he told the crowd that he hung out with a week ago He explained to me why we never could have landed on the moon He told me yeah And I'm just saying I don't trust anything already. He said that on his stand that's what he said in front of like public people Yeah, everyone's talking about this. It's we I don't know cuz I think I think it's kind of fucked up if We locked up our phones. He said okay your phones are locked up. I'll tell you this like 5,000 people 500 no no small Those at the improv is 300 you just you're just you're continuing anyone has no cloud They could never share anything I mean, they don't have podcasts I don't think yeah, and you just left it wasn't a joke. There was no real punch line So you think and I was like I believe you because I believe it. So me and Armstrong spoke at my Commencement broad. There's some really videos above all He spoke at USC. He's a fraud. There's some weird. There's some weird videos above Do you really believe that we haven't gone back? Think about it. I I went to Italy once. I went to Italy twice. Yeah, yeah, I was I saw it I like I was like fuck the pizza's good here. I'm gonna come back when think about nobody liked their experience on the moon And then fucking go back think about this when was that the end of this was that early 70s? Do you want to talk about Verda when we talked about with Zach? He had a lot of comments The space company the space company we talked about exactly. But hold on let's let me finish this first real quick is is I can't wait for that is um When did we go to the moon early 70s Uh, was it 60s? Okay, so we did it by the end of the decade. That was the race um Think about how hard it was to go um think about how different it was to go to The fucking New York New York in 69 now D goes every Friday And Sunday, yeah, and I'm just saying you would think a similar thing would happen. Yes, I Here's here's and just to get off the fake moon landing thing, but all right, just do a lot of work with that You're a fucking visitor at the fucking show you're just like a fan You used to use Emilio's fiancee to get a picture I just there's a code of conduct and I'm trying to find okay fine Well, let's put aside all that I because I don't always says history's bullshit We if you believe that which I think most people now do every why are people better now than they were before they're not they're worse At all indication tells me humanity is fucking worse than they were 50 years ago, so when you think about what who the billion dollar land is what happened during Just say it's par Well, I would say it's worse. There's opportunity. They're more opportunistic now, but I will say like if you like One thing I was gonna tell on and actually because on and I were talking about how like stressful everything is now You know in like social media and like the world's collapsing every day, but like if you because I for some reason My thing lately has been watching these like history show like Oliver stones untold history of the United States I watched that and it's like shit used to be fucking crazy. Yeah, like when you really look at what was happening and like the CIA with their secret operations and JFK It's just shot in the head in the middle of Dallas and then this happens in Cuban Missile crisis and kids at schools are learning how to Hide when a nuclear bomb comes like it kind of makes you feel like today is like child's play. Well, yeah, I'm not saying the level of Fear is as equal as when it was but I do believe that the level of Fraud is that is true is at the same I would say it's Because it's higher now because now we realize that you sing the stakes are this it's not just more I think it's access that everyone can commit fraud there's more money the government committing fraud only right now It's like you're fucking run-of-the-mill person down the street followers. You can commit fraud Yeah, one million followers. You'd have no followers. You can come in fraud But what I see on YouTube it looks like Logan Paul's fraud in people every month Like there's a new expose video like law of ball NFT project fraud is like I mean like that's my point Didn't Kim Kardashian get like a lawsuit or something? Yeah, I mean SPF is the big example of this I feel like he's back in Miami living I don't see any photos. I don't believe anything. Yeah, I think is he gonna go to jail now that we're this much He doesn't go to jail. He's not going to join you know when I'm associated with anything of it. We'll go to jail I thought he worded now that it's like now I have some distance from it. You know, it's been a few months They're not gonna you think they're gonna throw themselves under the bus I Then we'll have to have to claw back money in donations. I don't want to open that I mean we see the lawsuits we don't he's we can talk about it if you want Politicians that took money. You think they're gonna fucking give money back. They're gonna move on to like finance Yeah, they're not they're not but he's untouchable. He's untouchable He's so smart. I love conspiracy corner. He's not he's I think he's going to jail. I don't think okay That's what I think we should do a gentleman. I think we should do 20 bucks Um, what's our buy-win loser goes to the moon loser has to be the first man on the moon I'm not I mean, it's not funny, but like whatever the submarine thing was You know like we suspended our operations like oh really they announced that yeah, great No, I think That sadly was real. Yeah, those things are the real things unfortunately. Yeah, okay on in 20 bucks buy win June of next year wins our timeline. I think he's in jail by the end of next year Okay, so end of next year Um, I think I put a calendar alert on my phone. Yeah, and $20 bet He's a free man and not not only that, but we haven't even thought about it. You think he's exonerated I think I think I just don't hear about it. He's the fucking chair of a conference. I think we just are like Oh, yeah, there's a lot of lawsuits going on around this thing. It's just a lot of people are like A lot of important people are suing. Yeah, but yeah, it'll all go away. Yeah, yeah, you're good. You're good Everything's good. There's too many politicians evolve. It's not gonna happen. Yeah, when you when you donate money I just want to be on record. I I called it When they raise their like 30 billion dollar round that's what I was like it's a fraud you can have that But I think you're wrong on this one. I think I'm gonna be saying that in January 1st and I said my next was a fraud too, and he's going to jail. No, they're putting by needs unfortunately They're putting the Chinese guy to jail. He's not in America. He's not touchable. They'll get him zero chance He's hiding in Dubai. They're gonna arrest them. Yeah, they're not If they arrest someone in Dubai, do you think I'm gonna fuck with the kingdom? They own sports in America That sounds sound you a Send us CZ zero chance You understand you understand the political implications of arresting someone domiciled in the UA fucking So catastrophic CZ will be in cuffs zero chance. I pretty good at that like I predicted the SPF was a fraud So I won't predict that I will just I will deaf because I think that the donation element I'm saying CZ was a fraud for a year. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine I won't even I don't think so, but I won't make that bet I think SPF's like Weaseling into politics will keep him safe. Yeah, exactly And I think CZ being in Saudi Arabia or in Dubai wherever the fuck he's gonna be Keep him safe. Yeah, but anyway, whatever Snowden is still just chilling in Russia. Yeah, but Snowden Snowden what he broke American laws federal laws So which which your point he's untouchable Snowden's untouchable. No, but he had American Public opinion on his side Yeah, but they're not going to Russia and arresting him. This is not happening. They wanted him. They want to snowden like they want I don't of course they did, but you're not doing that. It's it's against public opinion to get him That's what I've got him if they wanted to like let's be really I think it was literally Osama bin Laden number two Snowden in the order of who they wanted to punish I honestly think that 100% and they're not gonna touch CZ they're not gonna touch SPC They're not doing anything SPF's gonna be he's talking about history being fraud and he's not it's happening in real time Yeah It takes time for the People in the Justice Department to actually like arrest these folks and actually And then there's gonna be some AI fraud then they'll be back off. We're at least saying we gotta learn what this is Okay, there was one thing that we glossed over when we had Zach white here last week He talked about a startup Deeks favorite. What's it called? Farada. Okay, and what they do is they use zero gravity to So I was listening to the episode. Okay, I was on a plane. Well, I'm just trying to remind remind remind the list So what they do is they use zero gravity to help with the There is apparently a cost to gravity when you are doing things like producing let's say 3d printing new heart And and gravity there's a toll that that takes on the process if you can fly things out into zero gravity You can construct them there bring them back This is the startup. Hey sounds crazy. What do I know? D You weren't on that episode. You were listening to it on the plane in between fast and furious seven So I was texting me feverishly. I was I was literally on my I was in my last row coach seat flying back from Paris to Minneapolis and I Spit my toilet water that they serve me out Cuz I was like you know actually They give you water back there Throw cups at you. You just have to fucking get water And I fucking spit my drink out and I was like Varter Yeah, yeah, what's your like you just sounds? I mean, it's just I mean, I was he was I was Assulted and I know him. He drinks cool eight all day. I'm He's mr. Fucking cool. Hey, I love this you just sat there and you're just like what I was at home I wasn't in the studio. Yeah, I was disgusted with you I love hearing shit like that like oh, it's impossible. Yeah, no, it's not it's fake And so you cuz I think Zach invested in it, right? Yeah, he's an investor. You think So here's a thing here's a thing from an investment standpoint. It's a immature what I think because If some of you else yeah believes it's valuable that's it's insane And do you care to add any it's insane I'm dodging like homeless people and fucking piss and shit. Yeah, you're talking about making fucking shit in space Yeah, we don't even know if anyone's been there. Yeah, I don't think so you're only a person as far as I'm Based on this space. It's just Bezos. He was a really person. Elon went to you chose Bezos more than Elon. Yes, I trust Bezos more than you Oh, my god. How could you be just a square? He's like my what was it my alive girl like he's honest Okay, so you're just calling bullshit is what's happening. I just think I think it's a it's like wonderful that people like them think that this is possible It's just not financially possible to do what they're saying. I just don't believe it. Okay. I like it. I wish this would have happened live I want I literally like spit my drink out. I was like I'm sure that will text us tomorrow Anything down this we can't make anything in America zero. We can't make a fucking phone. We can't make anything. Yeah, I agree you're talking about making shit in space Yeah No, I wanted to do this first. I think it's important that I do it live. Yeah, share it with the audience. Yeah, I mean look I'm all I'm not a believer in like cutting edge shit in general. Yeah, but I think it takes too long But I love that people do it because it's important for humanity So I'm all for it and I hope they do it. I'm just not the guy. I'm not the guy doing cutting edge shit by the way So on that note, I heard that chat GPT usage is falling off cliff I was I was I was on a run with Steve and I said chat GPT is fucking done. Yeah, it's over. I knew I know I know it your face when I saw that's the Stupid we know it's stupid now What are you? No, stupid the answer is like Google's better Like you just answer is we don't need this shit My answer is is I think it was like mostly like AI hype like it was like oh AI is gonna take over the world here. It is like I said on the pod was that if they would have released it and called it Google Assistant it would have been it would have been it would have meant almost nothing like almost nobody would have used it it might have Happened over time. Yeah, but it would have been this little splash. I think the phenomenon was everyone being like Uh-oh I just asked it how it's day was said good AI is about to fucking take over the problem is everything it does it does is useless. No, but I think the real issue is why chat GPT Is over is so not over but like decline you once got it is cuz AI has been around for 10 plus years. Yeah, so that's the problem. Yeah, so like we think chat GPT is to say aye no Google's AI YouTube's AI Facebook's AI. Yeah, Instagram's AI everything's AI and that's why like yes, it'll make the That this learning a large language model will make You'll see features on yes, that'll be a little better, but I I mean just if you google anything you get the three question prompt Yeah, and it explains everything. That's AI. I know I know All of this mania made it feel like There's something gonna happen that's gonna change the world like you listen to all these podcast This is the new platform. There's people marching all day throughout this city Chad GPT is gonna take our jobs. Yeah, no, it's not let me tell you something good news good news if you're marching that you think it's not doing shit I will say like I can tell you firsthand every company every sophisticated organization is trying to figure out how AI better It's a yes, that's fine. I think it would I just think it to think that it's the end all be all like the way people think It's no I think I think it's not like gonna replace Google because Google already is AI. I don't think it's gonna replace all the jobs people say it is too I wonder I don't know like so I have a call tomorrow someone australia someone in Bangalore India And us and LA uh-huh, and we just put in chat GPT. What's the best optimal time? To figure it this out. Yeah, and they gave us three options. Well, it gets what? It's a shit during this fucking time assistant for that. I agree with you. I think that's a really niche. That's done. I'll say dumb because if you don't have my calendar To me, that's like a feature in Google calendar packed. Have you does my calendar? Do I have fucking time from fucking anyone? No, but if you get three options and you can look in your calendar and have your could be like yes To me, but that isn't an incredible feature of Google calendar It's not a business like if Google calendar said hey, we have these three emails. You see where we're based It's a great feature. It's not a business. It's not a business. It's not a big awesome Yeah, monetary business. No, but I'm saying that the technology is real. Sure. The technology is real Yeah, I don't want to come off like I'm saying that it is not it's not a business and it has already existed It didn't just arrived. Yeah, what you you telling me when the optimal time when Google's gonna give it to me for free It's not a business. I can't do it in Google. What do you say? Well, of course one hundred Google right now? No, no, but Google will do it. They will be able to say that Google will do everything They're going to give it to us for free. I can six months Google Gmail when he's saying is chat GPT as it stands today as a product is not a business. Yeah, not it's just like a fun It's a fun thing. It's a gimmick. Yeah, it's Google Exactly, so Google's gonna do everything like so Google's gonna do everything better. Yeah, so it's like a feature of Google It's not even Google. It's like it's a feature of Google. Yeah, I think honestly like We're being pretty naive because The smartest people in the world are all focus on this working on crypto and beyond and what's what happened? The smartest people working on crypto the fucking Mark Zuckerberg change the name of company in a meta. Yeah, okay That was the dumbest fucking thing ever. You should change it to fucking thread. It's exactly Those gonna work and crypto is working. I believe it. I believe Bitcoin will work. I know, but it's not I ran into it I ran into a friend of mine out to lunch, but I don't think about Bitcoin gold Like yeah, obviously I'm gonna make a fuck chill out of money on Bitcoin. Yeah, I don't care about that. Yeah crypto is actually gonna change The way platforms work It's not but it will that's your belief. We don't have to wait for it. I said it for a lot of years I believe we have not made any money doing it and we disagree with that I believe that the technology making money. Sorry Listen, I don't not agree that crypto will work But I do think just for the sake of the fun discussion that the technology of AI will be more Applicable sooner than the technology of blockchain. Yeah, I believe that even though I think chat GPT As like do you see what I'm saying is kind of in the middle of these two arguments? Like I think chat GPT is kind of dumb. I think AI as a technology obviously has a lot of legs It'll be features on fucking everything. It's just a feature But I think that the technology of AI will be applicable sooner and more practically than Yes, because in the night I 100% agree with what you're saying because it's really like applicable ASAP Every company can use AI right now And I think that there's still a chance that crypto like you get basically like replace so much shit and all of your organizations with AI Yeah, 100% yeah, there's a great feature. It'll make the internet just better It'll make every app better. It'll make everything better But what I will say is crypto what it's going to do is going to be in the background and I think there's a non zero chance that crypto doesn't work. I think there's a non zero chance I don't think it's high, but that Bitcoin is a digital store of gold end of story and that's it Yeah, yeah, I think the metaverse is bullshit and I was a little bit diverse. I'm just saying that's the guy changes name Change the image. It's like me changing your actual name. Yeah, and the history of like what do you sit? What are you what are you trying to imply by you saying? Non zero chance that crypto isn't all of its bullshit. That's what you're saying it's bullshit No, well bullshit is a very So you're saying that technology is forget Bitcoin is digital gold because that's obviously That's people are working on crypto They're going to be now and now and now It's a $2 trillion company, right? It doesn't matter. Yep, but you're nothing. That's nothing. Ten trillion. It's great Yeah, yeah I'll make a lot money No big ones five are in I billion. That's nothing. Well, you asked me. I think there is a not zero chance like maybe it's 10 percent that Bitcoin As the most successful crypto cryptocurrency in this example that I'm using is never anything more than digital gold The digital store about it. Okay. Yeah, that's where we disagree. Yeah. Yeah, that's fine That's a valid disagreement. You've been from day one crypto guy. So you should I think crypto will be in the Background of things that we all use. Yeah, I wouldn't fight you on it I wouldn't try to make a point of why not but I this is the only point I'll make is I think number one There's always a chance of technology just doesn't hold but number two. I think that there's too many There's too much that would have to there would be There's too much regulation. Too many people would lose. Yeah, that don't lose. No, no Jamie diamond don't lose I mean, that's like currency. No, I'm saying it's actually infrastructure building companies It's what Yeah, it's like like the the blockchain of like building on Ethereum building on things like I'm invested in a company that is building a consumer facing game That's all built on the blockchain And the consumer will never know it's the blockchain. Yeah, that's a game. It's fine. Whatever. Okay. What do you mean? That's fine That's a game. I mean, we're not talking about baking. You're talking about games takes 6% of internet usage globally. It's a game I think that's the belief finance. I think actually believe in blockchain I'm not talking about finance. It's just going to build things in the background Yeah, I look I wouldn't argue you on it because I think it's pretty likely but I also think that blockchain technology um Has a more of a chance to succeed than cryptocurrency I was in a meeting with uh very prominent crypto person and a very one of the most successful Hedge-run people of all time And they said we have a mean for exactly what you just said. I believe in blockchain, but I don't believe in Bitcoin in Ethereum Yeah, but guess who's richer than I know the finance guys way richer than the could that's all the matters, right? It's the money in the world. Let me ask you an honest question. Yeah, this isn't I'm not debating you I know that that's what you were gonna say and I know that that I knew that your response was gonna be like crypto guy like We have a meme for you. Yeah, but but yeah, but you can use blockchain technology without it being tied to a currency Yeah, to value. I think you need a protocol Understood, but it doesn't have to be mine. The protocol needs to be worth something But I think money is the so it's like gas, right? Yeah, like you need gas to put in your car. Yeah, get going Yes, but I think that um Like I think so that's why the that's why Ethereum goes up like if you can build on Ethereum People need Ethereum to Ethereum is honestly like what everyone's building on forget Bitcoin Bitcoin's gold like no one's like Debating that it's gold and it's a six hundred billion dollar asset right now But Ethereum is where like people are building applications. Yeah to like fund all these like you know do a game and Ethereum's in the background actually the one Doing the infrastructure behind the game and you need to buy ETH to build a game. Yeah And you need to buy ETH to build all these things that I'm not smart enough to figure out but Okay, that's why Ethereum would work. So can I ask you a question Can you not have a blockchain technology to sort of track things a led digital ledger without without it being currency No, because you need to use it to I think you can't get infrastructure But can't you just track like oh, I bought these dunks and With it comes a scan. It's on the blockchain. Yes, you can buy these dunks off of me for five hundred dollars But it is verified that these are real because they're tied into the blockchain because that protocol right So you have to buy it to verify it Yeah, I guess this is where I get it over my head, but that's my point my this is what I'm trying to say I understand It's a theorem or whatever call it like the boys For have like you can call it anything you need to you need to buy something to be able to verify that it's Yeah, but what I'm saying is like the part that I believe in is like hey this is Verifiable that it is legit Because it is tied into this open ledger. We know where everything goes But the way that we buy and sell these items is still With cash it's not fine. Yeah, it's not currency in and of itself. No, of course not It doesn't need to be but to buy and to verify you need to own that protocol to verify it Yeah, I don't really care. I'm in over my head here. So, but that's if that point makes any sense That's all I'm saying when I hear of people using like exclusive items and or art and it's on the blockchain and it's Verifiable because it's on this ledger that makes sense to me anything of like replacing dollars I don't think we're replacing the US dollar That's what was being sold to us three years ago That was the conversation that no, that's what like people like biology and like, you know, you know Oh, yeah, it's been coming with a million dollars. I wish it was When did all of these guys run out? I mean, he lost the bait in like a week. It was like I've been fighting people since 2012 and like I've actually made it on a personal level never to talk about crypto on a personal I think it's stupid only on the podcast because like I'm just like I know I'm right. So it doesn't matter That's how I feel. I don't argue with anyone on my crypto because I know I'm right. It's stupid It's like the billion dollar deep predicted crypto be 12,000 but in the air it's at 30,000 So what I think Bitcoin could be 500,000. Yeah, it's fine. I don't don't believe everyone Smart as people in the world are working on it. What are they working on? They haven't done shit They've been fucking done jack shit a long time to build a new I don't know Yeah, it seems like they've done these built like you can get it to no matter if I can judge 3 or 20 years and charge you to decline. Yeah, so that's exactly. Thank you. Hey, I stupid too They're done. The both of those are bullshit. Do you think that's also like why they're making life so hard for Brian Armstrong and everyone in crypto Of course, they don't want the why would they want any threat to the US dollar? It's not worth it. What's your question? Sorry? My question is like Don't you think that that's why there's all this increased pressure on Even people like Brian Armstrong who's done nothing illegal and tried to play ball because any threat to The US dollar is a very real threat 100% yeah, they just don't want another ecosystem to exist that Yes, it's my question. What's up? How do you succeed despite that? So my my my actual thesis when I About my first Bitcoin in 2011 was if it were the actual You know Illegal North Korea Iran like you name it. It's still a multi multi-trolling dollar asset Yeah, I don't think it doesn't matter happens in America is my point. I agree. I agree with him on that I think it's like Marok. No, it doesn't matter. Yeah, my point is it doesn't matter. That could be totally true Yeah, I believe that's true and I think I think the US government's gonna know really quickly is that if you don't actually Embrace crypto and quenvious is the only one playing weather rules in the whole world If you don't embrace them you're gonna lose the whole world on this like financial system I don't think so that I disagree with I think US dollar knows that it doesn't matter about the US dollar Embracing crypto as like no, this is a function of our society. No, it's US dollar it I disagree. Yeah, I think it's fair. I think that's yet to be seen. Yeah That's what you have to be seen on zero. What's yet to be seen that there's sort of a like either get with it or not because this is happening Yeah, if I'm them, I just crush it. I think it would be like the dumbest thing because you can't crush it That's a problem, but you can make it so hard to get small and obscure the no one America engages with it like sure People can't do it, but six and a billion people that's fine But it doesn't affect America's economy. Think about the obscure currencies in the world that like sure, but like no one's yeah No one's worth a living in them. Yeah, exactly who cares. I don't know. I just agree with you guys, but yeah That's fun. Well, let's talk about another I like in in studio episodes, man. This is great Let's get on to the big thing on the weekend. The reds launched But it's launched now we're talking. Yeah, it's actually changed the name. He is like it's so funny. This guy is I mean, he blew it on meta blew it. I wonder if he's ever like kind of embarrassed like about like the name change Meta he doesn't want to be in Nothing to do with his company is metaverse, but you know how many calls I'm still on that it's like yo Yeah, the you know the Facebook ads meta. Yeah, the meta ads biggest bloc he went to a text based social media Which is the opposite of cutting edge putting it back to the baby and like look He they sent they sent up 70 million people the first day. Yeah in the first 24 hours incredible Um, well the UI UX is good. It's good. I actually like it. I think it's great Um My my thing is is like at the end of the day Mark Zuckerberg is historically known For copying stuff Making it slightly better and executing well. Could this be a good business decision? 100 percent. Yeah, I don't believe It's gonna work. I'm I'm I I'm like I've gone on it the last three days the content isn't there yet It has to happen so fast because we are such a give me right fucking now And or we'll give up. Yeah, so it feels like an Instagram feature. Yeah, it's a great feature Yeah, and I think if they combine the apps and it's just a text thread in the Instagram app. I think it works. I I The content isn't there. Yeah Yeah, I I will say though The content's not there in the sense that you're not getting like the best information But it's the first time in a long time I'd say over a decade where people are actually kind of just Sharing their thoughts. Yeah, I mean they do that tick-tock. What are you talking about that's a fucking lie? No Tick-tock isn't thoughts. Everything's Tick-tock What do you mean by sharing their thoughts people like oh, I'm like eating a fucking pizza today No, they do that on tic-tock dude. That's unfair. No, I'm on tic-tock Like what you doing your stories. Yeah, no everything's orchestrated. It's the first time in the last two hours or 48 hours. Sorry Um that people are actually just posting their thoughts. Okay, so and it could It end tomorrow. I just don't know if that's enough. It's not enough Like the question is this you're the you the marshmallow the fucking DJ's like Tell me like five things you like about Marshmallow is not the peak of culture. Let me tell you Name Diplo Diplo Diplo it's not the peak culture either. Who is peak culture? Alex Earl. Is she on it posting? Alex Earl that's it. Let's go look go look Well, everyone right now is posting their little thing like because you feel like you got to be on it I just you guilted on posting on and you're the biggest advocate. I know of the network effect Yep, and I think that trying to like why would you leave Twitter? I don't think you leave Twitter. I think everyone's just hedging just in case that yeah If you're just saying like how do they figure it out? What's the good? No, but suck is a product genius No, he's copying genius. It does matter. He knows how to figure out product I don't think this is like the end all be all of threads If I would have bet threads is gonna work you really think so 100% I think the threads couldn't work in a small way I think like a giant people with small. I think it's a feature of Instagram I mean, it's already high. I'll tell you right. I tell you in the last 25 100 million screen billion Here's here's a thing is that like I look at it where The first 24 hours is very exciting And I got a lot of followers and blah blah blah that shit's over engagement dead It's it's already falling off a cliff. Yeah, and in fucking the third day. I just don't get how you actually like just Reduce Twitter's usage and you can also reduce Instagram's usage which is dumb. It would seem and dumber That's why I think it's a bigger problem. There's only so much time in the day To be fair tiktok is still the most premium product. It's the best. It's so good It's so much better with that so then After that, it's Instagram and Instagram reals right like yeah, right that that's it So then it's your real sucks Sure, so yeah, but if you count like just when you watch a video like a lot of Instagram now is videos Yeah, if you count all those videos are technically reals If you just scroll through reels and I try to discover content it's garbage But if you think about like the amount of people posting videos on Instagram. It's a large portion I think look he did a great job Uh, busting up social media for a week Yeah, I think for a week he fucking scared everyone in social media I like that and I actually do like that he's engaging he's being less like Lizard man and like all that stuff like it's good. Yeah, it's like he's engaging in tweets and for him Yeah, all that stuff. Yeah, it's good. I just think that like if I'm them Instagram's such more of a valuable asset from an ad standpoint than than threads could ever be yeah So I think it to me it's a distraction I don't like it. I don't like it. Why like to me if they would have done this a year ago like pre all the Elon stuff Yeah, I probably would have been like this could work like Twitter hasn't evolved in a decade Kind of boring. There's a lot of shit over there, but like Twitter is like hotter than ever Yeah, it's like more in the conversation than ever And then I think the problem that I have is that like It's literally the same thing. There's not even one feature that makes it feel different. Yeah, I know that worked for stories and semi-worked for reels. Yeah, and and I'm not even saying I think threads could monetize a few hundred million dollars But the guy from Instagram said he hadn't slept in three days. So what I don't fucking sleep either fucking Yeah, what's that? Yeah, what's the significance? I don't like trying to figure it out. He can suck my dick. I don't give a shit what he does I haven't slept motherfucker I think it's a feature. I think it's a feature like stories was a copy is a feature reels a copy. It's a feature. It's a feature I love AI. It's all a feature. It's a good feature. I'm not saying he can't make hundreds of millions of dollars a year Selling ads on threads. I actually believe that yeah hundred percent It's not killing Twitter. It's not even close. I just don't get how you build something there that like if you're going through Your day like you said you have a limited number of time. You're going to get sucked into TikTok for a little bit You're going to see what your friends have been up to over on Instagram You're going to go over to Twitter. Maybe you post some political shit and then what you're going to go to threads Are you going to repost the same thing you just posted on Twitter? What's over there? The real problem I have with threads is threads is you know linked to Instagram, right? Yeah So all your Instagram followers hopefully transfer to threads. Yeah. Your Instagram followers inherently love you Yeah, because of a visual purpose. Yep And so Twitter is the ugliest people on earth And so Twitter as an ugly community. Yeah, has to be so good with their fucking words. Yeah That they are better than you on a totally different skill set It's a different skill set. That's exactly right And so my point is that when I look at Twitter As much as I hate all those people writing I wrote it like I kind of mixed Miss the toxicity and device Like I enjoy Watching people fucking loser mind arguing over like anything. Yeah, fucking sports politics Whatever, it's fun. Yeah, and so To what threads now the biggest followers like the person I saw that had the most followers the first 24 hours was Shakira I don't care what Shakira has to say Because she's probably one of the most followed people on earth Yeah, yeah, it's just like Christian Ronaldo. I think is and Selena Gomez are the two biggest followers on Instagram I don't give a shit what they have to say both of them zero I think probably 98% of everyone I follow on Instagram posted zero on Twitter. Yes, they're just like not talker like Tipers. Yeah, dummy. They're dummies. It's fine. They're gonna say that. Yeah, they look great. Yeah, you don't want it beautiful I love looking at the same way you're saying it's a different like type like person looks like break it down like you It's not share their opinion. They're good-looking. They're good-looking, but What he's saying is so good-looking. What are you saying? They're not It's just a different I get what you're trying to say, you know, it's like oh, I'm a like what type of person are you? Oh, I'm a tweet type of person. No, I'm more of an Instagram type of person. I'm more of a it's not usually like They're not the same. No, they're not and so at Twitter I'm looking at when I said Twitter. I'm like following some random people that have insane Followings because they're wordsmiths. Yeah, they're like incredible with their words and I want to hear what they have to say Yeah, and then Instagram I follow people because oh, man, they dress fly or they look good or they they sing well Yeah, they're gonna do cool shit. It's a different platform And so they're interlinked with a platform that isn't known for your thoughts. Yeah, and for that reason I think it's gonna be hard to Like create like what you have to do is create a reason to pull all of those people out of that network effect that already exists on Twitter because you have to People only have so much time and they're not gonna go to Twitter and threads and repost and double check with everyone saying It just seems like a very hard battle. Yeah, I agree But I do think if you could write tweet-like messages and post them on your feed on Instagram. It will work. That probably work Yeah, here's what I think We need to fight we need to fight In Las Vegas No, fuck the call. Have you been the calcium? No, it's disgusting. Well, you let Dana white get in there and it won't be disgusting I was like This place that don't do in Vegas let Dana white Dana white it up Dana white but I met Dana white the other day great guy Did you you met him in Vegas? I met I met him in Cabo. I met him in Cabo, which I thought he was jaw-rugging And then a few weeks ago I was out and John Turgeon introduced me to Dana white and I was like I like it's a very nice guy very nice guy. Yeah He I was at a table with six people And he walked and shook every fucking person's hand. Yeah He might be one of the kindest like You know, he's known as like a ruthless business guy and a billionaire. Yeah, very kind to strangers No, but I think I sent it to you. They were at a black check table show Rogan Dana white. Dana white was playing. Yeah, and he was like, hey, these are the knock boys and Joe Rogan's like, oh yeah, yeah They're like friends now. I think that Dana white's kids Love were fans of the knock boys and Dana white was like These are the guys and you them next year. Yeah, if you saw the way Rogan Interacted with the kid. Yeah, the knock boys. I was like Oh, this is what I was gonna tell you last night. Remember I came up to you last night Someone's gonna tell you I was listening to this episode one that you probably wouldn't have listened to of Rogan interviewing a guy named Sean Strickland Who's a UFC fighter who's out of his fucking mind? Yeah guys very scary and dark had a rough childhood talks about how He wants to kill people. It was a very strange episode, but in the episode the guy says Bro, I fucking blah blah. I was out there talking to one of your security guards Don't you think it's a little overkill on the security? You got like seven fucking special forces guys out there Like a little bit overkill Joe and Joe's like no, it's actually not even slightly overkill And as soon as this episode's over I'll tell you some stories and you'll see why it's not overkill Oh, wow Like there must be people like a lot of kill them. Yeah, yeah for sure. I mean if you can kill JFK you can kill Rogan right yeah I would love to know what those stories are what's happening. Well, I mean, I think people are nuts Yeah, also if you take into consideration just all the crazy people they're like you know I mean you saw that person in New York City driving down Queens is shooting people like it It's crazy. No, but I'm just saying like things that Rogan talks about aren't Appropriate for mainstream media Yeah, I think that those same type of things have probably gotten like Like tens of people murdered in the past. Yeah, or disappeared Security yeah, he's he's so much security. It's probably pays him so well. They's untouchable. Yeah I was just asking about that little tidbit. I wish I heard that damn that would be a good one Hi, we have to talk about one last thing. Yep, Joni Hill. Oh boy So it's Joni Hills who's getting cancelled Joni Hills girlfriend went on Instagram. Yeah And start misogynist posting that basically Joni Hill Is very sensitive to who she hangs out with yeah, if she she's a surfer. Yep Who she teaches specifically guys what pictures she posts is on her Instagram. Yep And she said he was a misogynist narcissists miss out and she went on the Instagram story thing and it is gone The post I saw I only saw one post so I only saw one post 40 million views So my guess at this point between everyone that's posted it has a billion views because I think she accidentally To a billion a billion billion What I saw one post a billion impressions impressions. Yeah, I'm praying billion. Yes. Well, that's his I think it's quite a little steep 200. No, it's way more. I guarantee it's a billion. I think it's a billion So one seventh of the world let's settle on one seventh of the world have seen this post. I'll give you 400 million It's a billion. I'll tell you 50 million But I think they'd accidentally tapped into like it's very like Andrew Tate versus like you know like it said So he was a topic he wrote very specifically very methodically. Mm-hmm basically. I'm just gonna read it. Fuck it Because I only saw one story post so I feel like I saw that So he said plain and simple if you need Surfing with men boundaryless inappropriate friendships with men To model to post pictures of yourself in a bathing suit to post sexual pictures Friendships with women who are in unstable places and from your wild recent past beyond getting a lunch or coffee or something respectful I am not the right partner for you. If these things bring you a place of happiness I support it and there will be no hard feelings These are my bangerines from my romantic partnership Ma my boundaries with you based on the ways these actions have heard our trust So he wrote it to her. That's what he wrote eminence state that I'm a big John Hill fan. Do you love what he said? I like John Hill. I'm more of like an old John Hill fan Bad John Hill. Pat John Hill was incredible. New John Hill. I look. I love him. I'm happy. He's growing but like He's an ejecto He's a yo-yoer. I wouldn't say jack, but I think um, but so where do we stand here? I mean, I feel like I'm gonna get myself in trouble because of a lack of information because the the problem is the girl said that was emotional abuse So he he here's here's my if I I don't know them. I don't fucking care So I'm gonna to give you my opinion. Yeah, my opinion is that is how Jonah Hill feels. Yeah, that is how she feels They don't have to be together. Isn't it that simple? It's that simple She also why are you posting a private conversation with a celebrity to like get No, no, I actually don't mind that. I don't mind that you post that she mind that she aired him out It's so stupid. I agree, but I don't actually don't mind it whatever He could lose money because of that like he could lose movies because of that. He also made gain movies What movies produced by who get rock the Andrew Tade saga. Yeah, I played by Jonah Hill. Yo, yo, yo, yo, Dana. Why Donald Trump? Biggest movie there But here's the thing is like I don't think it's a story. That's the problem. It is I know, but now it is a story I know it's a story that you should not be a story. I agree, but it's a billion people so I think the story is that she Relationships that everyone's been in that We've Yeah, then a nice succinct list. He's the best. We'll send a Google doc. Yeah, he's like Yeah, if it doesn't work for you, here's the org chart of how our relationship will work. Yeah, and you know, you're playing victim Yeah, it's a thing. Here's the thing. I'm not supporting Jonah Hill on this and I'm not supporting her on it I understand her point. What's your point? Her point is that like she does her point is that To if I'm like objectively, this is No, my point is that like it's a it's a little crazy It's fucking crazy that he's going through Instagram pics because I look through all the texts And he's like pointing out a specific Instagram post and said this is inappropriate. So yes That's fucking psycho. Yeah, but what's your point? How's it inappropriate if he that's how he feels? What if he's just No, but I didn't you Okay, I shouldn't be I think you should say something. I got an incredible. I had a conversation today. Yep I had someone I had to give me a reference today for something. Yep, and I had him do the call and whatever it was done and he called me and he's like I had to go He's like one great whatever and he gave me like an hour later. We were still in the fun He's called me and we're talking and he's like imagined if Before you got married You had a reference call in your wife Mm-hmm, and you heard everything she's done. Mm-hmm. You still marry her And I was like I don't know about that like I don't I think I'd rather not know Yeah, I want to know who she is today. Not who she was in the past And so and now it's saying her past is bad, but I'm just saying like I don't want to deal with it right like it's fine like And I think what's happened in this scenario is that Jonah Hill is being so particular And he's allowed to be like that. That's who he is. Yeah She's obviously not fucking with that. Yeah, and I'm like she shouldn't claim abuse But my problem is you just called him a psychopath. I think it's I think it's weird I think it's I think he's allowed to be weird. I think unless he like you know hit her or like But he I'm really I don't know I'm objective about it If if I'm Jonah Hill. Mm-hmm. I'm superstar a list actor. Yep. You're super. He's a list, right? I Would whip my shit out and have fucking confidence. So like I'm looking at Jonah Hill. I'm like go. So cares I'm telling you Leo a text in that Leo is not I've heard some stories about celebrities That are real weird. Yeah, like they wear headphones during sex and they only play rock music You know in their headphones That's not the same. Yeah, but that's what the same is like hey, I saw this third picture That's his weird thing. That's his weird thing. Yeah, I don't know that you need to air it out and like potentially cost the guy I don't care if you air it out if you want to be like, uh-huh. I'm gonna try to get some Cloud from this. Yeah, but don't claim abuse Well, that's the cloud though. Like the cloud is that I'm an abused woman. Everyone rally around I read the entire text Nothing was abusive It doesn't know. I don't see it either But what I'm saying is you can't get the cloud without the claiming abuse Listen to the pod text on and if you think it's a damn on and if you think it's abusive Yeah, cuz this one I think it's amazing. I love to hear people tell me it's abusive I think it I think it's insane I do think it's insane. You don't think you just break up and move on Cuz there's things like it's I know but he may have done that first As the first Voli like here's the thing if you're a guy Like Jonah Hill You got to have some confidence, but it doesn't matter. Does matter if it's Jonah Hill or if it's the guy that's Living on the It's okay if you think he's weak sauce. That's fine. Yeah, but the same like bachelor that is like You know four years into his career. He shouldn't do that either But if you asked like our friends or we know plenty of stories a lot of celebrities It's easy to say like yeah, if I was Jonah Hill I'd be my shit would be out or have you put it yeah, but like There's a lot of celebrities that are insecure and and have issues just like I don't put a celebrity inside weight issues Put celebrities aside like when I look at like I Get my previous life in my previous life if I dated a if I was with a girl There were I felt uncomfortable with what she was doing. I would just walk away Yes, I wouldn't sit there and tell her all these things. I'd be like this. She's not the right fit for that I don't know if I mad at him saying it. It sounds like what you read. He said one this to that if these are not okay with you I am happy like that sounds like he was Yeah, although the only other thing you could have done was just literally like ghosted her But he laid it out as clearly as possible. Yeah, he could have said like yeah I know I'm a little bit of a weirdo, but this is my this is why I'm looking for in a relationship I guess like I have a very problem with my comparable is like my wife when I was dating her Was a yoga instructor in fucking Beverly Hills. Yeah, guys would hit me up like oh your wife's my teacher I was never insecure about that That's a role correct, but I think if you would have been like if you would have came to the office one day What if you wrote Haley a message the same thing? I wouldn't I wouldn't cuz I'm not insecure like if you She's my girl like I'm good, but if you would have I don't think you would have been abusing her is all I'm with you on the music I'm curious if Jonah hell is Fucking with you in the views. I'm with you on the views. I'm with you on that and I think even with you and Haley Even though Haley wasn't famous or nothing if Haley would have posted that text on her Instagram And said can you believe what did you just said to me? Yeah, I would have been like That's lame. Yeah, like the guy has some insecurities. Yeah, it's fine You let them be know and you can just say it's fucking or I know you're a more Go you fucking at your class. Maybe he did say that. Maybe that's why she feels abused That's a whole different story. She should have exposed exactly, but all we're going off of is what was exposed and what was exposed seems oddly Clear and concise and plug in organ You know what it sounds like to me is he did a show like Where he went to therapy, you know, did you guys hear that? I heard about it And the whole show was him in his sessions with his therapist and it was weird, but it seems to me like It almost seems to me like something a therapist like told him Like hey, you need to communicate to her clearly. Yeah, um, these are your boundaries and if not you that's what it sounds like Here is my my my view for everyone listening Don't text shit Clearly never text anything got on the fucking phone. Yeah, get in person talk about it I think it's person because even phone can be recorded at this point If you're particularly you can get away with it. You got to go in person in the woods And put your phones and those things Made us phone phones it said so we got to talk. I got number one. No more butt photos I mean, I just think like I don't know. I I feel anyway You know what's funny about it is that I read it and I was like this is such a real conversation That's happening probably with millions of couples all over because that's why it's hitting no But I'm saying like this is such PG text messages, but do you know what it's like to date someone Who is Jealous or suspicious. Yeah, we all do yeah And usually in my experience that manifested itself way fucking crazier Than a clear one-through-eight list. Yeah, and a fucking way out at the end. I mean it I mean to be fair I I basically know your dating history as an adult. You sure you do everything. I've never got a list I got I got Bleach clothes and a key guard. I've seen your Some walls and walls. I've seen some places. Yeah, yeah, I never Never once did I get a list with a way out at the end That's all so I look so I agree. I'm not I'm not Defending anyone in this. I'm just saying you were just calling Jonah Hill a psychopath You were I just think it's insane to put it on text if you're Jonah Hill But don't you think it's even more insane to post it if you're his girlfriend. I do I agree I think the whole thing is in your opinion in my opinion. Yeah They're both idiots. Okay fair. Yeah, I can settle like I think Jonah Hill should I mean like you're Jonah Hill I get it. You do war dogs super bad. I get it. Yeah, I'm texting this shit cuz like if I'm fucking human dude No, no, you're not I'll just tell you the text. I've seen you become an a list actor. You're not a human the text I've seen you're not a human. You're a fucking superstar. You should be like. I don't know why You should be like yo you post you out done by the text that I have seen from a list actors on girls phones Yeah, would blow your fucking mind trust me. I've seen them. It's nice. Exactly. They're not a nice Organized list. I can't get over how organized the guy is I just feel like Yeah, I'm okay with they're both wrong, but here's this is why I want to go to this different Perspective shift is I think that this is actually a big Nothing. I think it's nothing and I think that 10 years ago this story gets zero ounces of traffic that girl posts it No one cares. Everyone moves on. I just think that it is representative of the time we live in in this like Is everyone misogynist or all guys dicks then there's kind of like the Andrew Tate sort of message women should be subservient to their men and then there's this and and I think it's just like if you look at the comments on anyone posting about it It is just argument best of like No, the other side doesn't get it and I think that's what just makes it so right for it Because I think it's actually the most mellow back when we were talking about how things used to be I mean, what did it take to get in the news in the frickin 90s? Six years. Yeah, you just faked a moon landing and people just moved on No, but I'm not in relationships. I'm talking about relationships There was like people beating the shit out of each other and like like no one would care 20 years ago Jonah Hill sent a list to a girl That's so nice. This is the woke mob the woke mob is killing us I don't have anything to say for your people No, I don't think I'm part of the woke mob and I'm not offended by anything that Jonah Hill said Hi, Sam with Jonah Hill. Oh wow. You should do a t-shirt Have you ever make him a t-shirt? I loved him the money ball. It was great because you know if you have like a contract, you know You know how the shit works the guy's probably getting a call right now from universal like he's getting a call from Arya man I'd be like Jonah. Yeah, I said if you know, we thought you're gonna be in the marvel, but He's making me nothing. I mean no movies making any money. So I think or he's not calling anyone So now he's making less than zero. The guy was probably already just trying to get yeah, it's cool. I'll try to get him not Yeah, you think netflix is fucking book in that next Jonah movie you people. Yeah, it's gonna be You people you massage in his narcissists I think I'm the only one that goes to movies right now. Yeah movies are over, bro. You are the theaters usually empty It's actually interesting. I pick is always full, but you can get anything like the grove is empty And the grove itself is packed and there's this huge space of land Then nobody goes and watch nothing will be an apple store in two years. Yeah, I don't be on that. Here's a 200 million dollar apple store We need more room More trees. They should make it and it's like each theater is like a different product. Why not? Yeah, that's what I mean I can't see the apple store does way more in the movie theater. Obviously No question. We need to tell them they're open at 10 a.m. Yeah, so Whatever midnight. They're crushing the movie theater. Yeah All right. Well, this is fun, but you got to catch a flight. Is there anything to miss in Because he shads everybody. You guys see that uh, I'll just throw this in because I saw Shout out to your draft pick. Yes What's his name? Arjun namala and Where's he from? He's from Florida. Well, where's his family from? Family from India. Obviously given his first name. Yeah, and his last name. I didn't sound like a Florida name Short shot he uh got drafted by the Toronto blue jays And his stories great, you know, it's just like similar to like You know our story, but he just was a really good athlete. Yeah, I don't say it to be similar to your story up until about 12 He's not similar to our story at all Well, I think you guys probably had pro athlete dreams But you know, I'm rooting for him. He's gonna be uh, he's a first round draft pick, which is insane Which is like your first round draft pick so In majoring baseball when you draft someone the first round you're incentivized to Move them up to the big leagues. Yeah, because you're already paying them. Yeah, you're paying them some sort of like guaranteed money Like he's minimum seven figures right now. Yeah, and they're like, okay, let's get him up quickly to see Can he make it or not? So he's got the shot and he's very excited by the blue jays blue jays and she's you know, I say to him team basically I DMed him And I was like look, I know a lot of major league baseball players And Indians and Indians. Yeah, so hit me up. Yeah, did he respond? He didn't respond All right, I'm a spot. Oh, yeah, damn. I'm don't No, because like dude some I mean my bronze you send me pee Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get him out here. I literally know all these people that could help him forget. Yeah, yeah I don't need to like be friends with them. I'm just like oh, I'm gonna be cool though Well, this is why I brought that up to why I toss that to you is because I just want to go out with this Did you guys see that frickin number one draft pick? Wimbledon Yama's already already got some problems. Yeah, he's beat it with his peers. We we watched I watched the game He wasn't doing well No, he were talking about the pretty spirit. I don't know. I'll talk about both but what do you talk about? His security goes smack the shit out of Britney Spears sounds like and then I don't think he he didn't play well He didn't do well apparently we're recording now and he apparently did better today. I mean, I saw a video of him getting dunked on Kai Jones, yeah I don't call him bust. He's over. It's over I'm a GPT crypto What may I want to boom? I'm a scoop guy if you bet on that parlay you could be a multi-scoot. I'm down Scoots my guy. I have a great photo shoot with him in my office. Yeah, wasn't school here. Yeah, I have a great picture though I mean jeez like day one before even your summer league game You're already in some like Britney Spears And you hear like a little bit of French arrogance Like why aren't you even going to places where Britney Spears is fucking citrus hasn't um play basketball. No Where's scoop? Scoot was playing basketball. It was fun. Yeah, it wasn't slapping anybody. Yeah All right, so we got let's say the question or no, we know. No, we're done. I gotta go He's got to get on his third red eye of the week Because eyes are red. Yeah There you have it. Everyone have an incredible week um Yeah, let us know what you think about you know our different debates Did we or did we not land on the moon? Is crypto gonna work and um Which is gonna work like oh yeah on the moon. Oh, yeah, and Johnny Hill or uh, Caitlin or whatever her name is Let's turn it. What's his girlfriend thing? We don't remember or his girlfriend. Yeah. Okay, great. Everyone have a great week. We'll see you later. Bye-bye You