Keeping Up with the D'Amelio's | Group Chat News Ep. 806

So like, you know, we'll bleep out the name. We'll bleep out the name. We aren't recording. So bleep out the name because we don't, well, there's a, there's a cheater amongst us. There's a cheater in our midst. Are you sure to drop my cheater? You just suck so bad you can't even cheat. I don't, if I cheat, it's I'm kicking my ball out of the bushes and acting like, you know, that didn't happen. We're talking about this cheater who's been talked about on the pod before. He's so good. He cheats to make himself seem worse. Yes, that's pretty wild. Yeah, because that's because of gambling. I'm doing the old Trump, you know, that's a gimmick. Yeah, you know, it's gambling and it's competition. So like at the country clubs, there's these big tournaments that are like member guests where you get invited to and it's fun to get invited and it's drinks in a good time. If you are, you know, if you can come in and say you're a six handy cap and play like you're a three handy cap, people love you. You're like a hero. You win. You win prizes. People do it. So that is that's what happened. So we have Greg Goodfreed on. He was on the pod exactly a year ago. President of Demilio Corp or Inc. Yeah. And good friend, CM around and we wanted to, you know, catch up from the year that that was. But I think the interesting thing we were just talking about this. And I won't share the stories, but the power of celebrity is so nuts. Yep. And I draw my experience at first hand. But, you know, we're talking about like what's happening globally with celebrities, like specifically Neymar and Cristiano Ronaldo are now like in Saudi Arabia. Yep. Getting paid hundreds of millions of dollars a year. Yep. And posting, I think yesterday was Saudi day. Yeah. They both posted. So Ronaldo posted a picture in the garb and then Neymar did as well. Yeah. I mean, we're like two seasons away of Balenciaga just making the outfit and everyone. And it was something we're supposed to talk about, like kind of further on in the pod. But MBS did an interview with the Fox News reporter, Brett Baer. And he basically said, like, I'm definitely sports washing. It's pretty much sports watching means, meaning like I'm paying, I'm paying Neymar, I'm paying Ronaldo and golf and golf just to make Saudi look better. Yeah. Yeah. That's sports washing, right? Like to sports wash, killing American journalists, if you have a political issue going on, but you go and use sports as a means of like we're a great country. Right. Tell it tell your narrative. America only cares about but sports. But his point. But his point was if I can raise Saudi Arabia's GDP by 1%, it was all worth it. And it sounds really crass, but every leadership of every country thinks like this, he just said it. Yeah. Yeah. He says what he wants. He has no real buddy day. He's a new man. Yeah. And he, I mean, it's again, not any political thing, but like they seem to be doing a lot of hard work over the last few years on like opening up and having more industry. And, and you know, they have to because I obviously transition from oil and all that kind of stuff. But it's the story of Saudi Arabia in the next 10 years is going to be fascinating with all the things they're building and the sports and the entertainment. Have you guys gone the call? Well, you get lots of calls from you call to find people from both sides. Yeah. And it's interesting. I mean, lots of people are going over there and lots of people are doing it. And, and I went to an event. There was at the milk and conference. There was an event at some house where like the Saudi is hosting event. And they had all the different kind of ministers from the different organizations. It was cool. And they had like table where you would sit at this one table. And there's somebody in charge of tourism and one church of health care. They were all, you know, educated, they're all brilliant. They were educated at best schools. And I sat down at each table and the person from the Saudi contingency would be like, we know our faults. So, ask us anything you want. You want to ask us about women's rights. You want to ask us about driving. You want to ask about journalists like, and this was, you know, the younger new generation of leaders over there. And I did walk away from it being like super intelligent people, super self-aware of the perception of what people say. The self-awareness is big. Because in China, they would never like, I work with so many people in China and I've spent so much time there. They will never, ever accept a fault in anything they do. Like they're never saying they're weak in any way. So they expected that behavior. I totally walked out on eggshells where I was like, don't say something stupid to offend someone, right? I just wanted to offend anybody in a party. And they were so aggressive with like, tell us what you think about us and then let us talk to you about that we agree and what we're doing to change. I was like, that's a fascinating situation. Wow. It's Singapore's hard to, like even when you just said the same thing about MBS on Fox, I was thinking like, obviously I saw the clips from that. And like, even though I don't agree, obviously with their, some of their practices, it's hard to criticize when you own it. So, yeah, it's like the NM eight mile. Yeah, you just say like, this is what we do. Yeah, get sure to get harder to be like, well, stuff out first. Yeah, totally disarm the entire conversation. Yeah, because we all have black marks, right? Like, I mean, American, like no one wants to talk about the drone expansion. That's really bad. We drone hospitals and kill innocent people. I mean, we have endless, we do shit to our own people for hundreds of years. Like, yes, I mean, yeah, we are, we are not farma, right? Yeah, we did that to our own people within our own borders. Yeah, correct. So it's all, stuff is complicated. That is for sure. But it's also funny because I feel like another thing we do kind of wrong is and take this lightly with how I say wrong. But it's like, it seems like we spend a lot of time apologizing and not like moving forward. Yeah. But there's a lot of feeling in America of like, oh, gosh, we're so sorry. We messed this up. We did this wrong. We were wrong to that group. We were wrong to that group as opposed to like, okay, but the way out of that is going to be actual change success, expansion, more, more opportunity. Not like it almost feels like we're in this like we're, we're so mad at ourselves for everyone that we've wronged over the years. That that's all we. I think it's, it's, it's, it's more, it's very simple. It's status quo benefits, certain groups of people. And so it's easier just to apologize and kick the can down the road. So, you know, like, I'll give you an example. I think what's happening in Ukraine is a very interesting test to see. So in, in, in, in previous eras, like, you know, you would see the 60 minutes, so 60 minutes today, tonight will air basically where American money is going in Ukraine. And it's not a bunch of senators that are pretending that they know where the missiles, like, there's no journal. Yeah, they're pretending. Yeah, yeah, they're pretending. They know where the, imagine how COVID was. Remember when we talked about COVID funds and where it all went, that we don't know, but it went to law. I know it went. Yeah. Louis Vuitton, Dior. John was point. I think what you're trying to make, correct me if I'm wrong, is basically like, we couldn't even audit within our own country. How can we audit what's going on in Ukraine? Yes. And I'm also talking about even what we technically could kind of audit, which is all the shit that was packed into those relief bills. Oh, yeah. That just went to shenanigans and went to people who were, it's about who had the best relationships politically. Yeah. And people made a shit ton of money off of that. Like, here's some stuff to fund your thing. Yeah, whatever, whatever you're doing, whatever. And so with Ukraine, I'm guessing it's more, this is just my perception. I know nothing about it, but it's more of just like, even closer to like a blank check. Totally. Like, he's got a beautiful villa he's building in Egypt. Yeah, there's a $5 million luxury villa that is actually for Monski. No, it's been reported. This is no like that he's building in no that he bought. And they're denying it. And they're saying that he bought this $5 million last year, but it was like, no, it was $20 million. He's like, I can't live in a $5 million bill. I know you weren't on the last couple of pods, but when we're in Mekinos, we're like joking about, you know, you're going to see, but we're going to see. We're going to see this in a couple of minutes. Yeah. And our Mekinos chat is still going. And after he requests to the $24 billion, they're like, how much better? Yeah. Does he need? Yeah. And the thing is is like, so, so 60 minutes is going to air tonight. And it's basically showing that like funds are going to small businesses, funds are being misappropriated, all those things. In previous times, I remember watching when they were talking about the Iraq war and everyone knew the money was pillaged. And yeah, that's forward. This is so like blatant now, everyone is aware. Like nobody thinks like that it's not, it's a joke at this point. Well, I wouldn't say anybody. There's still a lot of people we live in LA. There's still a lot of people with Ukraine flags flying proud. I mean, the New York Jets were rang. I'm not saying you can't support the people of Ukraine. I'm saying, I don't think that's you're looking at it. I think a little too optimistically. I think there are still people that think, yes, give them more money. That money is to fight Russia, Putin is evil. That's where that money is going. Give them more. No, it went to a villa. I don't think there's people who trust the government. I think they're doing a good job and they're a collective of people who represent their best. And it's for, and they're doing the right thing. I think if you interviewed everyone with a Ukraine flag for the next week that you saw on their car, on their whatever, and you said the word villa, I don't think it resonates. I think the majority of those people still think, I think ten years ago, do you think we've had enough distrust in institutions that people have kind of awakened that I think there's a blind, there's a group. There's a group that blindly trust. Because I laugh when I see these like 24 billion. I'm just like, you described me as being verbare or I can't even pronounce it. It's the Swiss Alps. I didn't even know it exists. Yeah. And the difference of writing on a piece of paper, 23 billion versus 24 billion, it takes up four seconds to do. That's a billion dollars. And like going nowhere into the air. Yeah. We have no audit of it. We don't have an audit of our own internal US defense budget. Well, that's on purpose. If it's on purpose, that's fine. But why would we just blindly write checks? I just think it's because he's counterbited. I think it's because it's because it's a lot of good news. I think that this is the way that we've always done it. I think now just with social media and we're just aware. Yeah. That's what my point is. So do you think to your point about, you know, we always just apologize. Like this was going to happen four years from now. They'll be a set in hearing. Hey, we're the funds in Ukraine misappropriated. Yes. Oh, there'll be a hot movie on Netflix. Yeah. We're going to be like a war dogs thing. There's like the, you know, two young guys that are just Americans that have made all the money. Yeah. And living in Mecanos. Yeah. Friends with on it. That's the time. But like I think the, I think the thing that I'm just shocked at is that there's way more people that are aware. Like if you're listening to this podcast, like if you believe the money is going directly, no, so majority money is, but there's probably 20, 30% of like just complete fraud. I don't know. That's like seven and a billion in the last month. No, it's probably 30 billion, right? I don't know. We say the majority. I don't, we don't know, but I think if you took like bullshit and then skimmed off the top and then used for this and then used for that. I think we did a hundred million leading up to this 24. This 24 is going to get approved. So one 24 and 30 billions gone. But the game is the game. But the game is you know, you can buy guns and shit for a hundred billion dollars, 40 billion, 50 billion. No, I think 80 billion. No, 80's pretty. How much do you think like one of these tanks are, even if you got ripped off? No, but you're already getting ripped off. You're already getting screwed. I'm also curious like how much of, because who else is getting the money? They're running out of ammunition. But who hasn't sent it to your point? I assume everybody knows, assume everybody who hasn't even sent it to stop it. Because it's like, everyone's the people, so many people are making money. And the people are getting hurt is like, oh, is my taxes going to, are they going to change? But no one actually solve this. Are they going to change my taxes? No, they're not going to. Taxpayers like, there's still a pain in my tax industry and who wants to judge their things. I think the key thing to take away is how we should all be doing government contracts. Yeah. Why are you selling clothes? You're here on the left, Saudi Arabia. You're actually the winter Saudi, so I'm just kidding. What do you think about those ministers? What do you guys think about access inventory? I'll take you. What do you think about a group check? You want a nice entertaining podcast? You get control. You get control. You're a sponsorship. We're going to bring balls. Yeah, right away. So never say a bad thing about anybody like, all halal jerseys, all next year. You can be muzzleed very, very cheaply. It's like 50k. I'm not even in poor. Give me a break. We're here already there. But no, but to, let's like kind of build on what we're talking about. I watched dumb money over the weekend. Oh, is that theaters? So this is how stupid Hollywood is. They weren't allowed to market it because of the strike. Yep. And it's in theaters. It's already out. It's out theaters. So the celebrities can't, the actors in the show cannot go on and do anything. Well, just right now, I just got a DBG of writers. Just, just agree. Okay. I thought I fell into the world. I'm happy. But how stupid are you as Hollywood? Who wins by not being able to market this like one of the biggest stories of 2021? Completely insane. Yeah, that they weren't able to market it. So our friend Mikey texted us in our group chat like, Hey, dumb money is out. And I am like the movie junkie. Yeah. Like I go to every movie. And that's right. Our alley. Yeah. And at 7 p.m. I was like, what? This movie's out. And I just, and I just literally looked and I found like a 745 showing. But it was only an L.I. though, right? It was an L.I. But the fact that I didn't even know that it was out. It's a stupid by Hollywood. Like who wins? The studio, the actors. It was my advertised on CNBC all week. Was it good? Oh, it's fantastic. Nice. Okay. Great. The movie was fantastic. Awesome. Who is it? Is it? Is it? Is that the road? Yes. In it, he plays the Melvin Capital Guy. Okay. There's a Ken Griffin actor. And then there's all like the, you know, the, the Reddit, the Reddit people. And what's so shocking to me is we podcasted about this real time when this was all happening. And I forgot. Like how criminal it was that the trading stopped. Yeah. Yeah. I read about the trading down. Yeah. Robin Hood shut the trading down. Wow. And then like I kind of know their investors were the fucking Citadel, whoever these people are. Exactly. So like, I heard the insight story about this that they're, oh, they ran out of liquidity and blah, blah, blah. But like, I don't believe it at all. Now that we have the distrust of institutions, remember Vlad getting on like live streams and just getting smoked. Yeah. And, and Portnoy was the only one. Portnoy's like they showed the clip like, Vlad needs to be in jail. Yeah. That was in the movie. In the movie. They have all the CNBC clips in the movie. Wow. Well, the movie's fantastic. When you get some distance from it to like see how it, it doesn't really matter because I actually just forgot how bad that really was. Yeah. And how many people got fucking screwed. And like how the, we talked about how the retail Joe like, we made fun of retail Joe after like, of course, you're always going to lose. But they lost because they changed the game. Yeah. But that happens every day, which is why retail Joe is always going to lose. Yeah. But my point is they had a shot. Yeah. For sure. They had a shot. That was fake. Fake shot. And, and, and you know, it's even even more disconcering when you were talking about it. Transformation. They just turned the, they turned the trade-offs. Yeah. The rules just became a new set of rules. Yeah. And it also just reiterated that they'll never lose. Yeah. They'll never lose. Yeah. It was just like, oh, you almost, yeah, how you found a little bit. But you know what he is more disconcerning is Ken Griffin, who obviously is the villain in this whole saga. Yeah. Because he's getting the trades and then he shut the trading down. Yeah. And, you know, you can get every investor will tell me, oh, they just needed liquidity. But I don't buy any of that. They were told to stop the trading. Yeah. I, like 100% believe that. Yeah. He has mocked the redditors in the last 12 months saying like, oh, they're the greatest Legion. Yeah. Like he said, like, oh, yeah. He said this publicly. Yeah. And he's like, yeah, I fucking shut you down. And now I'm going to mock you two years later. Yeah. Well, because I think he got, he got, he got dragged to the mud. Yeah. And then he bought the Constitution. That was like a big first fuck you. I'm just going to buy the rights to America. And then he, he's just going to dunk on you. But in the picture, there was the Constitution and FT or whatever. And then the last actual, that's what I was saying. He was, it was, it was, didn't he beat them? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. The doubt. Like, so the movie ends with like, I mean, there's no, you know, spoiler, because we all know what happens. Yeah. What happened? Like, no, the SEC. The SEC had like a lawsuit against them. And they wanted to like redeem the text messages or whatever. And everything got shut down. I mean, I saw Citadel paid a five in the day. Seven million dollars. Who cares? Yeah. That's an, that's an intern makes seven million. Yeah. Yeah. They're paying interest 20 grand a month right now. College kids. Seven million dollars. I even saw the, the game is so rigged. One of the lead stories today on Wall Street Journal was this hedge fund basically bet on, so every time a merger gets announced in America. Oh, the line of con. Yeah. So it's basically Microsoft and Activision Blizzard. That was like the big acquisition of last year. And Lena Khan, who's the head of the FTC wanted to block it because that was, you know, from monopolistic purposes. And he basically thinks, basically she's incompetent and won't be able to get anything done. So all of these stock prices basically never reached its full value. So there was like a spread trade that you could have made. So just to explain it basically, like if, um, company X is getting bought for $45, right? And their company's training at $35. There's a $10 spread. And the merge are betters are basically like we think that trade's going to get done at 45. But the stock never trades up to 45. It'll trade up to like 42. And you have that $3 spread you can make money on. Yeah. Because you're like, I think regulations going to happen. Yeah. So what you're saying is they thought regulation was going to basically not happen. And you'd get to 45. Yeah. She'd make that $3. So basically she hasn't been able to block any mergers. Yeah. Yeah. Just crazy. How like basically Wall Street in particular, um, really takes advantage of the incompetence of companies, governments, everything. Because like, you know, all the everyone on Wall Street is basically betting on interest rates right now. Yeah. And so they have their hypothesis. So when it's going to keep continuing going up, when it's going to cut, and they keep betting. But like, they people like Citadel and these hedge funds have $3,500 blackwalk, $5 trillion of management. Nine trillion. They can literally just don't forget the four. Yeah. They can literally do whatever the fuck they want. Yeah. All the time. But I also think this concept of these industries that have private sector and government. Yeah. Going back to the government contracts. Yeah. Like when you have private sector and government seems like that's where all the bad stuff happens. Yeah. And then all of a sudden the government people when they fucking retire go work for the private sector people and become multimillionaires. Yeah. So I think that's my impetus to go into politics. As I said, my 14-year-old is going to do something in the hybrid of government and private sector. And he's going to buy this whole building. Yeah. And we're all schmose. Yeah. We just named it between private sector and government, Saudi, or military industrial complex. We just covered one of those podcasts. That's it. That's it. Farma. So many of us are Purdue. Like those are the pharma military finance. Yeah. Kind of the things where like you got a bunch of regulators and a bunch of animals, you know, private sector people and they all just think about it for the first time in history. Pharmaceutical industry was essentially treated like the military industrial complex during COVID. Yeah. We think about hyped they were. Yeah. They were like, oh my god, you're telling me they're going to fucking make everyone do it. But you're going to have to buy it all. Up for it too. Yeah. And how many were thrown away? No, like just fucking. Yeah. No, you're right. It was like the military. It's like the ammo and the next year by all the ammo again, even if you don't use the ammo last year. And they're like, there's an Axios article that released yesterday that the Biden administration is issuing $600 million of COVID tests. COVID tests. Totally. Brown. Who's on the take? That's your guy. So you still haven't tested your ordering. I don't test. I don't test. I don't test. You don't think so like that to me $600 million. Who's making the money? Why can't I get that contract? You're in the wrong industry. You can get one too. Get it to you. Hunter has the hunter's test. Oh yeah. Hunters in that deal somewhere. He's like 60, 70 million. $600 million of at-home by-of-a-tillionaire. And that's just this year. I mean, they might do that yesterday. Maybe you could merge. Yeah, this year. Yeah. Yeah, they might do that again. That could be the first wave. That could be this year's, you know, artillery. Yeah, stored in a warehouse. They're not going to use. I mean, how many do we? COVID tests. We're still talking about COVID tests. And this guy's giving out $600 million. Yeah. This is. And then by the way, your boy, Sleepy, your guy fucking post today or yesterday that he is, he is very mad about all of the fees in concert tickets. I was like, SMD. How is that on the the docket? Yes. I mean, can you read the room? I know he's not writing those tweets. Yeah. What? Who wrote that for him? Well, that one lady got caught. Well, because there's a lot of concerts this summer. I'd say it is what is important to people. Yeah. I mean, do you have any concerts that were this summer? Yeah. A lot of concerts. And there's a lot of fees. But I'm just saying, I mean, like, look, if it clearly has zero impact on the consumer, if for some reason, the consumer thought that fees were unfair, they would not buy the fucking tickets. They're a little, I disagree with that. I think that people love concerts. And I think that if they would have who's going to go protest in the streets, I'm not going to Taylor. They're going to pay the extra $30 fee. No, but not the Taylor. They also will go to Metallica next year. I think they feel like last night. I saw she was amazing. I think they feel like they're being held hostage, but I didn't go. I love to go. I think I think people do feel like they're being held hostage. And not the thing. I do think the fees are insane. Like if you have, no, I agree. They just do it by a percentage. I saw listing the other day for a ticket to something that was like $85,000. It was like some completely insane thing. And the fee on it was like $12,000. But that transaction for ticket master to sell that ticket and get the thing is the same as a $90 ticket. So crazy. I just don't know if that is the most pressing thing as the president gets this number. Which is seven hundred on the list. I think we should probably audit the 24 billion that we're yeah. I just assume like we're never going to touch Ukraine. I just want to audit the $600 million in COVID test. Yeah. I want to follow that train. So badly. How can we? Can we? I think public citizens. I think we should just hire a team. Fucking full time trace that 600 million. It's not national security. They should let people have that information who cares, but I they're all criminals. They probably know how to bury it. No, because like this was like a famous story when COVID started and you need to book your shot. Yeah. Accenture in California got paid a hundred million dollars for that website. I think more. Maybe two hundred million. Yeah. Book your book. To make sure like an intern. How much is that much? How much is it? How much should they young and reckless website cost to be? I want two hundred million dollars. Give me a one and it was a great website. What's called one to two hundred million dollars to make a site that any intern at any company in America could make. Yeah. They could have given it to Google. They would just give it down for free. Google for free. This is what killed me is back to like maybe they're the same. Maybe they're not just California. There's 49 other states. The thing that kills me is this conversation is not the popular conversation. The popular conversation is tax rich people. Yeah. That's the answer. That's that's on its crew. The woke. Yeah. Wokey woke. No. The kind of that we spend it should definitely be at least equal to the who I agree. That's all I ask. But it's not even close to equal. It's absurd. There's there's this blind trust on one side of government is good. I rather give the more man. We should give him example. I'd rather say here's the budget. A budget is two trillion dollars. 400 billion has to go to fraud. Yeah. That's fine. And by the way, everyone gets to participate. You know, this week everyone gets cojello tickets. Next week, everyone gets a little bit of the fraud. You know, it's like everyone has like their their budget in their in their household. They're like, you could do whatever you want with this. Yeah. America. It's a slush time. 2030% goes to fraud and everyone gets to participate in it. Take it. That's it. But if we all if we all got to participate, even the littlest like, you know what, Friday nights in America, you can go to dinner anywhere and it's paid for. If you just did that, which will cost maybe a few billion dollars. You have fraud Fridays once on that. It would be people would be so pumped. That's what I'm saying. I think just let us get our beak wets with a little bit of the fraud money. Yeah. Everyone wants to pay us. When I go to dinner, I'm like, kids, you know what? Hey, sir. Today is fraud Fridays. You and your family. It's a sleepy. Yeah, sleepy schedule. Yes. And then you wouldn't care at all about Hunter Biden because you'd be like, yeah, whatever. I think the annual budget's 2.8 trillion. So, wow. 4 billion, 10 billion. No, no, I'm saying 400 500. We all were free dinner Friday. 10% at 2. Trillions. 280. So then we're talking four percent. Okay. Crazy amount of money. Yeah. One percent to 90 billion. You can buy dinner everyone. For everyone. 400 million Americans, right? Yeah. Around that. So adults probably 200. Okay. What? 200 million adults. 200 million adults. Okay. If you said the 200 million, let's say how much you think if you gave on fraud Fridays every Friday, 100 bucks a couple. No, 20 bucks a person. 20 bucks a person. Okay. So that's what eight billion dollars. 800. That's 800 billion dollars. No, it's eight billion eight hundred million. Yeah. 400 million people. Yeah. Times 20 times 20. Okay. So eight billion dollars a billion. That's 400 billion dollars. Okay. If you give us that free dinner, then send as much as doing every one. Yeah. Do every one. I don't think anyone would give a pal base anything. No, the problem is we don't get to participate. Your philosophy is people just don't want to feel like they're being screwed. Yes. So if you let them into the fucking con, yeah. The problem is we see like tax, raise taxes, hire all these new IRS agents. Yeah. But you know, the problem is like pow on them. Get mad at the stimulus. Why are you mad at the stimulus? Because it caused inflation. Oh, because that's that's like, here's everyone's so messed up. I probably get your mad at the stimulus. Like, oh, they got so much. Okay, that's our, where's our rights? We know the stimulus. Well, they just don't like people having money. Yeah, they pay us. Yeah. We get the difference in Saudi Arabia and Middle East and in particular China, which are these like hyperdeveloped countries with very smart people in both regions, those countries really take care of their citizens, like in the Middle East, free education, free everything, right? And healthcare, things like that. Similar in China, like so much of the Chinese government has subsidized businesses and insurance and healthcare. And so like the the national pride in these countries are insane. Yeah. Like you go to the Middle East. They're not talking down about the Middle East. Do you want to China? They're not talking down that. So like Scandinavian countries are the same thing. Exactly. They have so great array of like social care and they're great. In Dubai, if you're in Emirati, which there's very few in Emirates, like actually born and raised there, not like you go to Dubai, you're at the four seasons, those are Emirates. I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it. It's a very different. Yeah. It sounds similar very different. But the moment you get married and you have children, you get a house. Yeah. You're taking care of you're done first. That's part of the that's part of like the social contract. If you're an actual local Emirati, maybe I should go have a kid there. No, but you're not in Emirati. You can't have it. But my kid could have that. No, he can't. What if he marries literally the people from what if he married a single Emirati girl? Yeah. Can you marry an Emirati and then become an Emirati? Yeah. I don't know. We're just going to get married. I was going to get married. Let's be sure. Let's not get in a house. It's very strange. That's why it feels to me. And I think it's way far off. And I think we're still obviously like the the biggest country and all this thing. But it just feels like I think I think it's too big. We got to like it got too fucked up. And don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it's the end of an empire and we're over in 10 years. Did you listen to Ray Dalio? He's always on that for a long time. We're done. For me, but I was sleepy. I'd ban Ray Dalio. I'm out of this country. So I'm talking about our downfall. I'm not saying that. China seems to be struggling right now too. Exactly. I mean, are you getting calls from the Middle East or China for your business? Gotta be Middle East. We don't get China. We haven't gotten calls from China. Wow. Wow. Really? I don't know the the industry over there in terms of like entertainment and a Western. I don't think they love Western content a lot outside of Middle East and China. Where would you get calls from? I'm not good at foreign. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like we just did something in Japan. So Tokyo and there's a great region. South Latin America, like loves the TikTokers and like the social media stuff. So they'd Latin America and Europe isn't massive. The only thing we go to Europe for is like the fashion week stuff. All the fashion brands are cool and love to have us over there. But they're not like we have campaigns for, you know, different things that that's really that's where you go with your own money. We're going out there. We know you're going to want to go. We know you're coming. They want to go for the Grand Prix. I like to be here. They took a care of us. Those are great. Shout out to the Brits. Yeah. We look at them all these. You've had a great Instagram story for the last two years. It's been a good run. It was a great decision not to get you to. You know what's funny? You know what's funny is and she might still be with you guys. But when we first connected with Charlie and the group at Young and Reckless, it was through like a woman who did like a thing in their local like they're from Connecticut or something. She did like a local like meetup for like content creators. And it was just this woman that came to the office and she'd like, hi, I represent Charlie. And it was right as Charlie like we came really big. Yeah. And it was like just like I said, this woman who did this local meetup for like TikTokers in Connecticut. It's very smart. And to see the the jump where you've taken it. Yeah. Amazing. It's been a wild ride. Yeah. It's kind of it's kind of wild because like specifically on TikTok, this whole thing happened so fast. And I think Instagram stars became big. But the TikTok stars have become like actual businesses for sure. Brits is like are the early Instagram people that were really popular. They still remain to be popular. But like, they haven't monetized it like TikTok. This has been in us. Yeah. Yeah. In fact, it's in China. Really? Thank you. I can't ask you. I'm trying to make you guys, but they won't get you business there. Yeah. I just don't think there. I've been to have you guys a little bit of China. Yeah. It just does. I haven't. I've been and I went and it's like they're craving for Western culture stuff is not the same. It's from what I can tell. Yeah. And there's it's a complex system. They haven't seen it either. I'm supposed to call and say like, hey, could we get a Chinese flag in the house? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a show. Like sure. Drop a flag. I'm actually curious because actually, you know, hot years are younger, like kind of year to the streets. Yeah. And like the Demelios have actually elevated to the top. And a lot of the other people just have fizzled. I agree. And I like they have great fucking management. Yeah. Really is the difference. All these people like during 2020 and 21 because like we're all locked down. Yeah. I was on TikTok following all these people watching the dances. And like one of the few people that have, let me say this, this is why I learned things helpful. Sorry. Go. Yeah. Okay. That's to speak for Greg. But like we've worked with a million rappers, celebrities, whatever. You see the difference of what it's like to work with people who never graduate past the homies being their manager and then talking to someone like, like him, you know, like it's a total difference. And I think there's this crucial point where you have to switch to legitimate representation and build a business. And if you don't, you just get stuck in like. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, just look at look at our girlfriend Anthony future. No, it's Kendrick. Like all these people like, I mean, he, he managed. Nause. I mean, Nause is like one of the few legacy rappers that still, there's only two. It's only J.C. Royal two. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I think what I would say is a couple things. One is you get so much stuff thrown at you when, when you have that moment, right? So when you're one of these 50 tick tockers who had that moment, you get so much stuff thrown at you. Yeah. And the most important thing is what you say no to not what you say yes to like a couple things might be difference makers. But you can really like take your shit down the drain and crypto and NFT is like a maze of interesting moment for us where like, I, we could, you could have woken up one day and been like, here's the Charlie Demilio bank. Here's the Charlie Demilio healthcare thing. Like the people had these, the craziest ideas I'd ever heard of using blockchain technology to launch a business. And I'm like, this is all insane. There's not a single consumer out there in the world who would do this. And we said no to everything. We said no to every metaverse thing. We said no. And like all those things are like take a knock on your credibility and knock on who are. And so I think there's lots of these young people. And then on the flip side, you know, when you say yes to something because you have to say yes to things like how, how do you perform? Do you show up? Are you professional? Do you make the people want to work with you again? Do you give it 100% and a lot of these influencers or young people will just be like, eh, I'm the famous one. I got the big following fuck this ad executive whatever. I'm like, yeah, you're not getting the next phone call. Yeah. If you act like that. So I think so many people rationalism helps like treat it like it's kind of magic. Yeah. Oh, you know, they just had it. It's really like as we know when you look behind the scenes, it's the Greggs or not having the Greggs. And there's so many people that and I'm sure I think the talent also has to be willing to listen and be mature 100%. But I'm saying I think there was probably so many people in that first wave of TikTok that were incredibly talented and could have been on the Demilio level that just didn't. I mean, we would see decisions and I had the interesting seat of being at UTA as their agent for the first six months and then leaving and doing that. But in that six months, you would see everybody. And I would be like, wow, I can't believe they're working with that. I know what that deal was because we got that offer. I could not believe they took that deal for the next six months. They're going to be posting every other day this horrendous fucking thing. And you would see. So it's, you know, the credit go the the nozzes and the jazzees and the people who become the superstar, they internally are truly amazing. But yes, having people who you can trust to navigate it is critical. Yeah, question. Was there a learning curve for the Demilios like going from, you know, I would I would guess like no responsibility being just young girls to now all of a sudden, like you do have these really serious things to show up for and to be on time and to treat people a certain way like, was there was there like a time did you have to kind of like, Hey, guys, this is why this is important. This is why we need to like was that a thing? Yes. So I'd say, I'll say yes. And and kind of a follow up to that. So for sure in the beginning, the girls, you know, should have been in one of the should have been college, wanted them should have been high school. And so the concept of like, I should be with my friends. I don't know if I want to do this. They also have had literally zero concept of money. So, you know, somebody's saying to them, like, Hey, this opportunity here is worth $200,000, but you're never going to see it. It's going to go into a bank and whatever. Or if somebody came up to them, I was like, I have $10,000 in cash. Will you do this thing? Like, they were kids. So they're like, yeah, or seven years. It's a fact. We were like, gosh, that's a common tactic in the marketing way for sure. Like rappers, they get like a little get bags. And it is fascinating. So that was the learning curve was very challenging for them to understand, showing up, doing the work, whatnot. The way they were did it, the learning curve was lightening faster than his mom and dad. They had parents who were, yeah, the parents, you guys know Mark. Mark is a professional and he's an adult and he's but comes from the sales side. So Mark would, you know, work the floor magic, his entire career in Vegas and showroom in Manhattan. Everybody who you came in, look in the eyes, handshake, here's a cup of water. Here's a thing. Please and thank you. And it was cool for me because really early on, I was on set with, I think it was Charlie and it was a big set. There's, you know, 30, 40 people around. We finished a shoot. She went to every single person in that room and said, thank you so much. I appreciate your help. This makes my life 10 times easier. So mom and dad are parents or so mom and dad are, yeah. And listen, the Hulu shows on right now. There's definitely this year's about tension. So tension between all of us, I get dragged horribly in one episode. Yeah, something between me and Charlie that was unclear and a misunderstanding, but comes across a pretty wild. And you know, so, so you look at that and you're and people will watch it and be like, I'm very transferred. People watching, be like, Oh, Mark and Heidi are too involved in the business or or making about and like people could not be more wrong because the other parents who either are lunatics and steal their kids money and go crazy or do nothing and are just like, Oh, my child is now in charge. And my child can tell me where to go to do those are the ones that like become disastrous. But it's hard. They fell into a very hard world for sure. But they're still what where they're just 21 and 19. So how do you how do you manage that right? They're still young kids. Um, you well, they're young, but they're super mature for their age because of this experience. The every day they become more and more in charge in a great way. And and they become more and more. This is what I want to do. This is what I don't want to do. This is what I and you know, say, not as many things you want to say. So we we try to give them an environment to be the CEO, be the boss, which is a lot of like good information. And and there will be those one moment there's those moments in time either like all stand on the table and say, don't do this is terrible or holy shit, you really have to do this. It's game changing. But like I have very few of those tickets to play. But they're allowed to be kids. Oh, for sure. Go do whatever they want. And like, you guys don't get an offer to do something that is for hundreds of thousands of dollars every single day. Like I'm not even being sarcastic. Like millions. I mean, if they did every single thing they did, they would make an obscene amount of money and then burn their entire career and like their entire mentality. So we're very good about being like, we actually have schedules. It's like, Hey, for these, you know, four weeks, you're doing nothing. I don't care if something comes in. It's a million dollars for an hour. Like we're not taking that phone call, hanging out with your friends, going to trip, do whatever you want to do. So we carve a lot of personal time for them. And then they go to work and do the stuff. That's crazy. It's a really good way to like, there's so much to learn because it's such a hyper like magnified example. Like I would say like anywhere in business or entertainment, how you were raised matters. Your manners matters. But it's like so hyper like magnified when you're talking about, you know, a 16 year old girl becoming a household name, you know, overnight or like, there's so many. I think I said this line, maybe last time of the podcast, but these moment fame ultra fame ultra whatever does not change who you are at magnify. So you are. So if they came into this as horrible pieces of shit, they would be intolerable, right? For me and for everyone, if they came into this as, you know, gracious and kind and all that stuff, like they want to be more and more like that. But the hard parts, the hardest part for sure is they're not certainly Charlie and Dixie are not motivated by money at all. They came from a nice environment. They weren't ultra wealthy, but they didn't want anything. So they don't think of like, I need money or whatnot. So they're not motivated by it. So when things come up that are like kind of crazy, it's it's a weird tension between like, do you want to do it? Is it fun? Do you have the time or do you want to go hang out with your friends? And well, and I do think in the beginning, we probably made some wrong decisions where we were like, sign them up for a few things too often. And it was like, Hey, you can do this. And then you can get this house and you can do this thing. We've pumped the brakes on that big time. What's interesting is this is more important. This was an interesting parallel to having a conversation with a couple that I want to know is Friday with our kids. And we're talking about sports and, you know, specifically like, if you live in the valley, like sports is like so important. Sports is basically, Valley is like a microcosm of Texas where like sports really fucking matter, right? And we know I was talking to some parents on Friday. And then today at my kids school, they're like a dad's day, we're talking about like how intense, you know, kids get into sports at these early ages. And then they go sign up for club soccer club baseball and they're doing 15 different things. And like, most of these kids burn out, never see their full potential and they're a rap. And I was using the example of I had watched the Serena and Venus, King Richard Williams, yeah, King Richard, a few months back. And, you know, he was very adamant. The father was like not letting them compete till they're like 12 years old. Yeah. Because winning and losing really does affect you as a child. And our friend was telling us that in Norway, they do not like to keep score count wins and losses till they're 12 years old. And basically, at that point, if you're that good of an athlete, they'll give you the government. Well, Norway has some disproportionate number of Olympic athletes and gold medals per capita more than any other country. And they believe that introducing that competitive nature at a later stage in life is actually more beneficial. The problem is everyone's doing the counter, which if you look at Major League Baseball, professional soccer, which let's say the Valley represents, you know, they everyone plays baseball and soccer in the Valley. That's what you do in the Valley. Major League Baseball is historically had values been very kind to, you know, MMOB has been very kind to Major League Baseball. Today, Major League Baseball is Dominican sport. That's way. So it's not like we're even seeing the success of it. And then soccer, for sure, is but the intensity you're saying of what parents are aren't helping. Oh, it's yeah. So like, I have a handful of like very close friends that played Major League Baseball at the most elite levels. And their kids are now in these various like, you know, youth programs. And they are disgusted with the way the other parents are taking the intensity of it. They're like, and these guys made it to the show. Yeah, I'm saying they're like, dude, these kids are six. They're seven. They're the other play. Yeah, yeah. I have a few friends who are from my golf club who are like rock star professional athletes. They have the least amount of pressure on their kids who, by the way, their kids are superstars. Their kids are four. They're gonna have a best chance. 10 times faster than any of the other kids. Yeah. They are pumped. The breaks do nothing. This is what I say, I think this all comes back to like we were talking about TikTokers or influencers and athletes. I think there's a lot of parallels. I don't think there's a single super famous TikToker or YouTuber. And I think there's very few super elite level athletes that are there because their parents were in their ear when they were five years old, fucking yelling at them and screaming at MB elite. They had to have it. They had to be the ones. You hear every story of the parents who, when a guy gives an MVP speech or whatever and they talk to the parents, they're like, I had to go out at nine o'clock at night and physically pick him up and bring him inside the house because he wanted to practice three more hours. And I think that's real. I think any parent who sits down and thinks that they were going to, by brute force, guide their children to be elite. But that even goes the most basic level for intelligence and academics, which is where you make the absolute craziest amount of money. And the most successful people on earth did not have parents that drove them to the ground. This is why I would love to like read a book on or something, which doesn't exist. There's got to be a sweet spot. Yeah, there is. Because we talk a lot about how also some people are way too soft. Yeah. So I think the key is that as a parent, what I'm witnessing myself is you have to expose your children to a lot of things. Okay. You have to support them and things they are interested in with no stakes. What are you supposed with no stakes? I'm not, I'm not even saying there's no stakes, but I think it's just like letting them actually, like I'm talking even with academics and in sports, which is what we're going through right now, music. Yeah. And exposing them, let them actually fall in love with it. Yeah. Like I think my kids are going to fall in love with learning. Yeah. Like I actually think they're so curious. They want to learn. Like they're probably how like LeBron was with basketball. Yeah. I think my kids are like that with like the deep ocean. Yeah. Like read books and volcanoes and whatever like that's good. That's good. And I think like I want them to fall in love with fucking MMA. But I think I think it's like you have to expose them as a parent. I think your responsibility is to expose them to everything. Yeah. Let them find a thing they're passionate about and support them. Yeah. As opposed to you doing what you want as a parent. Like obviously I wish my kids were stud athletes. Yeah. That'd be fucking dope being, you know, at the French open. Yeah. Let's go. But like I promise you that's what happened. Yeah. But my point is is like, of course that's what I want. Yeah. No, but like I look at my oldest son and it's like he's so fucking smart. Yeah. Like he's he's an intellect and that's what I want to support him in. I wanted to play sport to be active. But what's the line of not letting them know? So I have a good story. So a mutual friend Disa in our office I had a meeting with he is a little older than us like 10, 15 years older. I actually worked for him. Okay. Um Harvard West Lake Harvard undergrad Harvard Business School. Yeah. Has two kids in Pasadena and he was telling me his daughter at like 13, 14, like came home with like a test that she like didn't do well in. Yeah. And just started bawling crying and they were like, oh shit, we need to like chill out. Yeah. Like we need to like pump the brakes. Do they feel it was their fault? No, they felt like we didn't want to put the pressure on her that she's coming home crying. But do they feel they were putting the pressure on her? Yeah, they are. Probably. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. Probably, right? Yeah. Like and they were like, we need to pump the brakes. Yeah. Like obviously it's a very intellectual family. Yeah. And she came home with the bad test score. Yeah. And they basically like literally stepped away. They were like, you know, do you? Yeah. And she's at Columbia now. Yeah. And Columbia is like actually impossible. Like these schools are impossible to get into. Yeah. And he told me he's like literally we stepped away. And we're like, do you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But they stepped in. She'd be in the ask you guys. What's the I have a father either. Wait, what did you just say? Maybe she stepped in and been harbored. Columbia is not harbored. Let me tell you. Maybe. Maybe. I mean, that's all day. I look at raising me. I see harbored. I put in a different pile of different pile of different pile of different pile. Yeah. No, it's definitely stepped away. And they like they they thought she wouldn't even go to college. I have a 14 and 9 year old. I have two boys. And I think you're correct, which has exposed them to lots of stuff. I am the without stakes person. Yeah. And let them find them what they love. So my mentality is I'm like nothing bad. Obviously, right? Check their friends. Check their behavior. Check what teachers say about them and what their friends parents say about them. So I'm like behavioral good human being. It's literally all I care about. Yeah. And I and I will say I am on the on the level of softer whatnot. I am on the soft side. I am for sure. Like if I thought my kid I went to Berkeley. I'm a big Berkeley fan. Right. If I thought my kid was capable of going to Berkeley. But if I forced if for him to get there would be me having to force him if you didn't go to Berkeley, he went to Boulder or Arizona or something like that. I'm fine with that. I'm totally okay with that. I'm a happiness and a whatever person. And I think through that kind of zen mentality, I'm like, and he's going to get to where he wants to go. And by the way, he might go to fucking Berkeley. And he might hate it. And he might hate the pressures whatever. And he might go to some other place. And in that 18 to 22 year old, unlock some amazing thing in him. Yeah. I'm like, life is not linear. There's no clear path. Who you are. I think that's the point about like people put too much pressure on like this like youth part of your life. Yes. Where they think that's where all the magic happens. I actually think it happens way later in life. 100%. Oh yeah. And I actually had this conversation with the parent I'm talking about how like everyone's so supercharged and middle school, high school, college, and then they burn out. Correct. And because like some of the most successful people we all know were the most nontraditional backgrounds. Yeah. And I think and I know you're saying something. I think one other cool thing is I think stuff has changed. So I do think when our parents were young, there was this linear path. There was the this college job job for 40 years, pick offense, house, two kids, whatever. We're like, I think we're all around the same age. Like, yeah, you kind of had to do the things. You kind of did that. But there was a little more. The world is upside down right now. Like the combination of social media, entrepreneurialism, you know, my entire TikTok feed is 19 year olds telling me how to do drop shipping and make 100 grand a month. That kid didn't need it. I mean, think about your clients, but he's got your 2119 avenue scamming my 13 year old TV years ago. We had a stuff by 14 year old comes and wants to do and buy. I'm like, good congratulations. 2119. I'm more successful than 99.9% of people ever be. Correct. They're more successful than me. 100%. I mean, you work for them. But I know what percentage. Did you imagine they were growing way larger percent in the relationship? What am I going to do when I grow up? I'm going to work for a 19 year old. Nope. I didn't. It's probably that you've been grabbed that personal shake of it. I don't know if that's a thing, but it's an interesting debate. I feel like you could have it for hours because also at the same time, it's like we judge like, oh, all the MLB stars are coming out of the Dominican Republic and all the world. As if almost like you want your kids to be the next Michael Jordan. I don't think you want your kid to be Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods. It's not a happy. No, it's not a happy existence. Totally. So the Harvard, the neurosurgeon, whatever. I'm telling you 90% of those people wake up at 40 and it's like, I don't like any of this. And I don't even know who I am. And then there's so I do think society is doing the ocean view. Have you seen it? It's not that fun. Have you seen some of the Tom Brady TikTok clips? He did an interview with whoever that guy. Yeah, that guy. He did Kobe do one. Yeah, it's like in the last week. It's like every clip. It's gone viral. Yeah. Oh, he's great. He's a great interviewer. And but like the way Tom Brady talks, he's a psycho. You're just like, I, it's really tough to be like, I want to do that. Yeah, right. I wanted to, I think we won it. Exactly. I literally had to come in my, my mind and say, I'm going to fucking kill this motherfucker. If you saw, if you saw learn that, if you saw the interview, right? I saw a maniac. He's a maniac. Yeah. But I think selfishly as consumers, we want that. We want that. And we want those people to be Americans and we want them to, we want to be a quarterback of our football team. Yes, but you don't want to be your kid. Exactly. I think even you personally, you're like, I wish I could have been that. I love tennis. I could have been an adult. I could have been, but when now when you have kids, you don't wish that upon them. Okay. I mean, I also, it seems like I don't, here's my feeling is Phyllis. Okay, we're going to a little philosophical philosophical. I think that there is happiness and success are completely fucking different things. And not only are they different, I always say this. The formula in life for happiness is how close your reality meets your expectations. Yeah. So if you have super fuck is so if you're a person who's like, I want to fucking make a hundred million dollars a year and you make 50 million dollars a year, you are by definition unhappy. And, but if you're a person who fucking would thought they were going to make a hundred grand a year and you make 500 grand, you're fucking happy. One guy's making 50, one guy's making 500. The formula for success is never being satisfied with what you have. It's the literally complete opposite end of the spectrum of happiness. And also, sorry, just real quick, there's a little tidbit in there is what's even more fucked up that what you guys are talking about is parents is like the Tiger Woods type syndrome where it's not even your expectations. It's like your dad's that you can just never somebody else's right. So to take to take that premise, which is happiness and success are often in the spectrum. As a parent, you do start asking yourself these questions, which is what do I want of my child? Do I want my child to be successful or do I want my child to be happy? And the miracle is one that you have a fucking very stable functional human being who can kind of be right in the middle be like, I'm successful enough for what I think I'm capable of and that for I'm kind of happy because I've good means. So I think that's it. I think as a parent, I think I find that toe that line of like another huge thing is being realistic, right? You got to be realistic with your kids. So if you look at your kid and they're nine years old and they're not that good at sports, don't drive that kid into the ground for your own personal thing like I'll give you my son played on a basketball team. He my son's a fine basketball player, but he's not ever going to be elite and he had a coach who was terrible and he would come back and he would complain all the time and I was like, cool, I'm going to go to your next practice and I'm going to observe and I went and I drove home and I was like, that guy is an asshole. You can quit the basketball team and I let him quit the team. And there's tons of people like you're teaching him to quit and I was like, or I'm going to teach him to be miserable and let people surround him. So it's it's hard. Yeah, I think they I think the other big thing is is that what like we're in a privileged position where we can optimize for a children's happiness, whereas I think a lot of people around the world are just like, man, I struggled. Yeah. If my kid is good at X, then he's going to have he or she is going to have a better life. Yeah. So like if she wins the gold, you know, for rough changes, then like our life changes, her life changes. And I think you're right. That's right. Those people in in in MLB and why the the soccer players in whatever countries they come from predominantly, they're just different background. And they just they're doing it out of like they have no other choice. We're doing it because like we can afford private coaching and tutors and what I just said about happiness success is the most privileged thing you can ever say. So I am self-aware. Yeah. Then I'm sitting in a beautiful office that you guys run with my bullshit fucking shoes on and my shoes. It's fascinating to me to apologize. But I think like, you know, and I think that's a challenge that like a lot of parents are sitting there. And I see it like I'm up. We were at parks every fucking weekend. And I see it like I see parents who are like, they see their kids and they're like, they're good. They're athletes. They're studs. And they they want. They know that, man, if my kid can be great at this, then that's their way out. The irony is like when you talk about happiness, you know, like we grew up going to India. Basically, you know, every summer, every other summer, we were we were always around and we've long periods of time, months on end as a child. And you know, we would we would be around surrounded by like a lot of our cousins who didn't had no money. We were also surrounded by slums. But like the genuinely, some of the most happiest people have ever witnessed in my life. And like specifically Indian culture, there's this like spirituality or whatever it is, the religion about being content. Because if you're content, you're way more happy than the person next to you. Correct. And I think that effectively has changed India and Indians globally is because yes, we've been very successful in America as like immigrants. But like we're also pretty happy with whatever we we end up with. And I think that actually helps you. That's an alpha in life because it's like, I'm not doing something because I want it more. I'm doing it something because I actually just want I just like it. Like fuck it. I like working hard or I like but I don't think that's a particular to Indian culture, right? Like if you went to Sao Paulo and the slums there, I would imagine there probably has a lot to do with Hinduism and the background of that more so than any. But if you went to the, what's the. Yeah, I bet you they're happy. No, there's the most crime you've ever seen in your life. I've been there. I don't know what they like. It's not like crime in India. Yeah, but it's not like murders and shit. But I don't know. I feel like you guys are like, it's just Brazilians are like star, you know, athletes. You guys are CEOs. Yeah. That family. You're going to go. You're going to go you're right. That is the way out. Yeah. By the way, if you are a parent and you have kids, let me tell you, instead of being at the baseball field, being good at math, you out of any test is that if a kid won't take the test to get an IIT and all that's their basically. That's basically, but like, like, you're not going to hit the ball like Ryan bronze. Sorry. Yeah. Like, just get it. Yeah. By the way, learn leadership techniques. Do you know how many Ryan, Indian, Ryan bronzer are unlimited? Yeah. It makes that much money. Yeah. I think the other big X factor here that we didn't really mention that also ties back to the Demilios is we're talking about all this as like. Yeah. Yeah. You got it in the ball here. It doesn't really know what I'm going to say next. We're talking. We're talking about all of them up in like the bottom. The context. Thank you. I think the last piece of this is we're talking about this in like, even in the harshest way that you represented parents, you said sort of like, this will get you out of this will get you a better life. Yeah. You should do this. This will get you a better life. I think there's a really big part that is like, like, I think if you're in the valley screaming at your kid, you have a pretty good life. Yeah. If you're screaming at your kid on that soccer field, you have an insecurity problem and your kid, you look at your kid as a reflection of your right value and things. And I think that's kind of the who knows, but the the Tiger Woods thing, the Matthew Knowles thing, we've heard these stories over and over. And I think even in the world of TikTok, we saw a another family and there's been a few of them similar to the Emilios whose parents wanted to be in on. Yeah. They were very proud in the videos. And you know that that was like, oh, I'm going to get a ticket to fame and I'm going to be more. I'm going to be cooler because of my daughter. My, you know, at the time, 16, 17 year old daughter. I think that's the thing that none of you guys have that thing, but I think that's like the dark part. I don't know. I don't know if my kid's good enough to get me that. Yes, true. You might get fired up. Yeah, I think my mind is the one that's good at myself. Let's me have my kids. Do you remember the Hollywood thing? Why is that good? These kids became social media famous. Yeah. He's got a lot of studies. He's got a lot of studies. Where are we going in that? Let's go. Thank you. We're going to do live. I'm sorry. I know we're going to be good. 62 years, a little bit of a lie. We'll stop. He won't be the only one in there. We're taking pictures right now. You know, like that's a huge other thing. It's not just you guys are talking about very pure like what you want for your kids. Do you want your kids? There's like this fucked up angle, which it also once again back to the parents of Charlie and Dixie. Wait, so hold on. You're a 14 year old kid and you have a 19 and 20 year old client. Yeah, so how do you kind of navigate that? Honestly, it's super helpful. Like my practice. I learned it. Well, I a little bit of it. You actually heard it from this. 14 year old man. Yeah. I just wake up these days. Who's yelling at me the loudest day that I ever smile at. You're like, well, it won't go. It's your 14 year old like you have these superstar clients. Yeah, I mean, his friends think it's cool. And I found out from I found out about Charlie and Dixie from Jack. Like we were on Christmas break 2019. And I was very like I was sort of paying attention to the TikTokers. My all my clients are like the massive YouTubers and some Instagram people. And literally every single one of his friends were like, this is all that matters right now. Like this app and these people on it four years ago. He was 10. He was 10 and we were on we were in like Park City or somewhere. And literally the only thing he can do was watch TikTok. And then I would look at it and his entire for you page was like Charlie and a couple of these other people. So it was great. So it's market research. And he definitely lets me know what's cool and what's not cool. And you know, he thinks half the should I do is cringey as hell and makes fun of me. And he thinks some of this stuff I do is very cool. So yeah, how do you navigate parenting of 14 year old when he knows you're managing these like superstars? He's probably used to it, right? He's used to it. He's okay with it. Listen, Jack likes the fun stuff. So like, you know, he'll, if I'm on Monaco for the Grand Prix, like he definitely will be like, oh, hey, we're coming back and we're sitting courtside at a Laker game. Like he has some definitely high expectations. He's not going to soccer, man. I have to do stuff. Jack gets to do stuff. Yeah, it's, by the way, it's hard. I don't, I do not know the balance between wanting to share the fun stuff I do in the experiences and spoiling. And I don't want a kid that, you know, is 30 years old and was like, oh, I can't do that. I can't achieve the stuff I was able to do when I was 14 to 15 because my dad did it for me. And I went to a very, I went to Brentwood. I went to like a fancy. And I'm telling you, there are a lot of the kids in my, their parents were elite superstars. And they were like my friends. And they're not doing anywhere near what their parents are doing now. And I don't know if that's a painful existence. So it is another balance between like, which probably is a little bit why I don't put pressure on them because I'm like, I don't know, you don't, you don't want your shit as a parent to like, you know, cascade down on your kids. That's every move you see about a kid who has therapy about his parents. So it is a try to create the kindest, nicest environment for them. And like I said, my number one thing is don't do the bad stuff. Like just if you're, you know, I talked him a lot about drugs. I talked about parties. I talked him a lot about he's a freshman in high school now. So I'm like, what are the seniors doing? And like, do one of your friends have siblings who are like in 11th or 12th grade? Because when I was in 9th grade and I had the friends who had the siblings who are in 11th or 12th grade, they're the ones who had all the stuff. So each got to, you know, got to be, you got to monitor and pay attention. But what high school is the good? And then it does seem like a lot of, you know, good parents who are good, but nobody there is like, oh, we drive Bentley's and, you know, vacation and Aspen. Like, I don't have any of those. Yeah, it's, it's a really like mammoth and, you know, GMC. Well, that's better, that's better. Valley is all about that mammoth white sweatshirt. Like, if you, you have that white sweatshirt for mammoth growing up. For sure. It was the coolest thing. Yeah, it's interesting because like the big thing that I'm seeing is that parents are so like overbearing and want, like, it's, it's from a good intention. Like, they want the best for their kids. So they're like pushing them, they're putting them in activities, they're putting them in things and things like that. And I think they have good intentions. But when, and most of these parents are all successful parents, because they're saying them, the best schools. Yeah. But most of them didn't come from that. Yeah. Most of them came from very simple existence and they just found their way and then it came successful and they were able to provide for their family. I think it's, it's actually quite simple. Like put them in the right environment and let them figure it out. And they're all unique. Like my older one to my younger one, totally different people. That was another great advice. I got one, we were pregnant with a second one. Some friend was like, he is going to come out with his own stamp. So whatever, you're going to raise him the exact same to the same thing. He's going to be just a different human being. And I was like, oh, so what I do actually doesn't really matter. So who these people are matters? I think another thing is personal experience. So I personally have the experience like one to Brentwood, you know, from sixth grade to seventh grade, it's whatever kid in LA like wants to do. Hate it. Hate it every minute of it. Left Brentwood and ninth grade went to Birmingham, which was like, suburban, high school, the Simulta public school, but like very different. Then I worked my ass. I went to Berkeley. I went to law school at UCLA. I got a dream job at a big law firm. And I hated it. And I quit within like a few months. And I've had like four different careers. So I think it's very easy for me to be like, who he is at 18 or 22 or 25 is not going to be who he is at 40. He's there going to find their own paths. If you're a parent who like did the thing, went to medical school, went to law school, are still doing that job 25 years from now. I do feel you're like, I better give that to my kid or I let them down. I'm a lot more like, we're all a bunch of weirdos. And you're going to have 10 different directions. And just, I mean, if you think about the three of us, we must be attached to you guys. Multiple different careers in the last, since we've known each other. Which gives you the confidence to know when you have kids and when you guys have kids to be like, they'll sort it out as long as they don't make any of the big catastrophic mistakes. It's funny because that's all matters. Because saying that you're logically right, but I don't know. I feel like I would feel some sort of, like you don't want to give you a direction. I bet you, if you'd feel an anxiety to be like, no, no, trust me, I know now, because I've now I've done it. I bet you, if you were to have kids and no one gave you any parental advice, you would be super aggressive parent. And not in a negative way, it's like screaming on a baseball field. No, no, no, no, no, but like, you would have them and everything to make sure they're intellectually stimulated. Well-rounded because... I probably would. Because if I had no, if I had no... Yeah, and I'm not saying it's a bad thing because I have friends, kids who are literally doing everything and their kids are amazing, they're the happiest. They were meant to do that. Yes. I remember kids not meant to do that. So it's fine. We're fine. We're cool with that, but like, I think like, you would be like, given how well-read you are and now you know about the world, you might say like, fuck it, you're gonna come on and six, when you're six months old and like, you're doing this and you're doing that and you're doing piano and like... I think without any guidance, I would probably do that. I'm just being honest, but I want to go on the microphone so it's on record and say, I think Greg is right. The important thing is to remember, hey, I figured it out. They'll figure it out too. But I see where there would be this pull to be like, yeah, no, but I don't want you to have to do that. Struggle, yeah. Like, watch, now I know and I don't think that works. I don't remember. I really remember this. Yeah, I remember this. Show Rogan has a whole thing on like, there's definitely again, some like matrix thing of like enough trauma, but not too much trauma, whatever to build you into a well-functioning human being, coddling and all that stuff. That's not good. Somebody grinding it or you're all the time, like balance, right? I think everything in life always couldn't come down to balance. Every ounce of my confidence comes from the weird shit I've survived and... The same day it happened and then you overcame it or just discovered something. You're talking about Joe Rogan as a advice and if you think about his life path. Totally. Who would have thought he's a person that's gonna be a guiding light. He was a cool old guy. Yeah. That was a cute fighter and he fought and then now he's like the most successful and he's a future factor. Totally. Come into the place. I think that he'd be the first person sitting here to be like, I don't know anything, right? So your own individual struggle is gonna be what makes you. Everyone ends up how they're supposed to. And putting pressure on people. Because you don't make the catastrophic mistake and that's what I keep going to, which is the only thing we do as parents is like, if I found out for one second that my kid was addicted to pills, right? And that's a real thing, people have a shit. That's your job. Your job is to intervene and stop that from happening. If you had some crazy lunatic girlfriend that was starting to drive him crazy and make him like, not go to school and be depressed, all that stuff, intervene, right? Other than that, you hate math and you don't really want to do that. I've never asked my kid, what did he get on a test? I've never asked a single question. I have no freaking clue what his grades are. And he's in ninth grade. And I'm like, he seems fine. Yeah. I get good feedback from the people around. I think it's a way to think about it. And to be honest, that's my other big thing too is like, again, other than the disaster, it's on him. If he doesn't want to work hard and doesn't want to do the shit and he's not gonna achieve what he wants to achieve. And by the way, he might be happy. He might be happy. Well, not with that. He might figure out a different path where he can or he'll be 25 and be like, oh, I should start a restaurant. And then 10 years later, he owns cheesecake factory, right? And I'm like, I would have never thought that if he went to Harvard, he would have never done that. And he could be 10 times richer. Yeah, intervene on the crazy shit and then let them be the weirdos that they are. Yeah, I agree. I think that's like the... But I actually think the problem in LA that we see with parents is they're all trying to get them in this factory. Yeah. And because you see Charlie D'Amelio and you're like, I want to say something earlier, which is so the worst thing you can have is life is unrealistic expectations. And so social media is the toxic fucking purge on our culture of you watch you have all of your friends eating at these places and traveling and you see influencers doing stuff and then your expectations, I should be able to do that. And parents for their kids, why do parents want their kids to go to Buckley and Harvard West? Like, sort of for their kids a lot for them. Yes, so they can tell me where they go. It's 100% me. I want them to go to those schools for me. Totally. And I get it. And that's a fair human thing. But it's at the right move, right? Yeah. And so it's complicated. That's like a constant discussion in our house because our child goes to a school that's highly academic and competitive and whatever. And I don't know when he's at the time of high school or middle school, whatever it is, when what school he'll go to, because he has to be the right fit for those schools. Because if not, they have a miserable existence. Exactly. Because I have plenty of friends, kids who did not enjoy that experience. Yeah. And they're very unhappy children because of that. So I think. But you've got to be deeply confident yourself to then pull back on what's important to you. Yeah. And I think he just said it. He said it for him. Yeah, it is for me. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's mine. Yeah. It's mine. He's going to have a TikTok account. Yeah, I mean like dance, yeah. I mean, I remember vividly just losing out on things in life because of Harvard West's like kids. So now I was like, fuck this. I can't get to be that. So we'll go. So you went to public school all the way through. Yeah. Totally. So let's see. Yeah. So fun enough. So my experience of Stephen Weiss, Brentwood, DeBurmingham. I think these places are trash because I got to experience it. Yeah. So as he was going through this thing, people would say, oh, do you want your kid to go to this and that? And I was like, no. Yeah. But life experiences. Yeah. I have to experience it as a parent. Yeah. And I have to experience it with my child. And we'll see where they end up. No, but it's also the shitty part about all this like elite private schools. So in our high school, Grenada, which is where we went, I had the grades and the SAT scores to get into any school. But they only allowed one person, dairy who listens to the podcast. You guys have met them in New York. He got a Stanford. He got it everywhere. The only one kid got it. Correct. That is how it works. And we had a thousand kids in our class. And that's insane. I was like, yeah, that's unfair. I was like, that's what your boy sleepy does. He just hand out my only of the best. Your hunter gets money. No, we're like, I couldn't get money. I couldn't get into these schools because dairy was better than me. He took the spot. He took everything. That's terrible. Yeah. Do you want your kid to experience that? Or do you want your kid to get into the butt school? Yeah, to go to school that has to explode. I'm like, okay. Cause mine. Yeah. I know sure. But like the world has changed. If you as a parent, you just try to give your kids as much alpha as possible. Huh? And maybe sometimes it comes off over bearing and sometimes I don't know yet. I will know. How old are your kids? Six and three. Yeah. No. 12 to 15. Get them going. Bro, you have no idea how hard you're working. I'm hustling out here. And but like what do you have a flight tonight? By the way, this podcast I literally feel like I'm just talking to a bunch of guys on the valley. I can't see your everything in the way. I just feel like I'm. It's hilarious. So, but where'd you grow up? Ohio. Ohio. How was that? Like, like, is there a private school pressure situation? Does everybody. Everyone's a little more chill. No, it was very, very, very small town. I don't even know if there was any private schools like got close by. I mean, where did LeBron must have gotten up private school? He went to St. Vincent's, yeah. That's probably, there's probably, there's Catholic school. That's the Catholic school. It's private though. It is. It was a thing I wanted to go to in all these places, there was probably a handful of religious schools that are private, but there weren't the, there was no harvester second crossroads. I'm sure. Big Jesus. A lot of Jesus. But I will say, St. Vincent seemed to like, you know, it seemed fancy at the time. If you went and looked at it now, it wouldn't, like with this perspective, it wouldn't look like anything, but for us, that felt like where all the rich kids went. Yeah. And then you heard about Lawrenceville, which is in New Jersey, and it's 72,000 a year. That's crazy. Some of these places are so crazy. But yeah, nothing like any of this. I was, my trip shot was so different than more creative. Any of this. And this is so like, you guys are like the LA path, and you really relate, you really bond on like the path of growing up in LA. Yes. Where for me, I think that's the kind of thing that you need, because I think probably a lot of small towns it would feel very similar. It's just different. I just grew up skateboarding every day. That's all I wanted to do. LA was the coolest place in the world for skateboarding. So from like age 12, I knew I was going to move to LA as soon as I could. I came out here, I figured it out. I found your way. I moved here. Nice. And, but I'm sure all different places, I mean, maybe sport, like if you look at, we're talking about Dallas or these places. Like if you live there, you'd probably don't have pressure to go to Harvard. Pressure play sports. Yeah, you gotta be keeping up sports. Your dad hates you. So if you think about our high school, horrible, like where we can't get into Stanford, Harvard, we can't get to Wharton, we can't get any of these schools. Who are our graduates? Ryan Braun, MVP, Travis Kalinick, started Uber, Jay Brown, runs Rock Nation. Yeah. Me. Dad's. Dina, you can debate our successes, but like you guys have the most poignant podcast in the world. Yeah, yeah. That's the way I don't have a number of podcasts. Yeah. Which is crazy. We can't get into those schools, but we all achieve things that are better than 99% of the graduates. Yeah. I think that's the kind of those schools. Do you think so? I don't think so. Honestly, real question. If you could go back, I don't think so. I think I enjoyed my experience in college because of the friends I made. Okay. But I don't think USC, outside of relationship, gave me any alpha. Agree, but that relationship gave me alpha. Yeah. It's a relationship helped me made lifelong friends, which I would never replace. But intellectually, I was not challenged at USC. Interesting. I was fucking bored. I was actually challenged by my friends at USC. Was that your fault? Or was that it? Did you go to class? Did you go? I did my first year went to class and I got straight A's in that slide. You didn't get straight A's. Full freshman year. Full freshman year. Full freshman year. You kicked out a freshman year. I got straight A's in freshman year. Okay. First of all, you were not there. You were like 12 years old. Okay. First of all, you got to bathe. And then after I was like, no chance, you got to bathe. Here's the thing here in college. Yeah. First of all, the freshman year, 100% I got straight A's. Then what happened was I was like, unfortunately, at that time, USC was not good at what it is today. USC was you signed your name and cast a chevron. I was a good person. I was a people that went to the same age. It's a clear prep. It's a fucking parking lot now. Monclerc prep is not even a real school. He's your roommate. I know, but like, I'm just saying, like, they're morons. And so I literally was like, this is my competition at this school. This place is trash. So I stopped. I just checked out and I was like, I changed three years later. Because my friends are extremely intelligent. Well, I see what you're saying now is a great school. When I was there, I was like, I can tell you there was a number of prep of India. This is just D's experience. He just hung out a bunch of morons. I feel like when I was like, if you were up in LA, you were like, I was actually smart. I was at Berkeley. I did not go to school. I really never went to class. I went to like pick up my syllabus and then turn to my midterm and then take my final. But to your point, I was surrounded by incredibly intellectual people. And so the three o'clock in the morning, conversations of how the hell do we all get here and whatever was like, yeah, like that didn't happen. That's happened to me. But it's funny because I was talking so I have, in my new business, I have several people that went to Harvard that work with me and we were all talking to you. Yeah, right. The dummy from USC is Harvard people. That's my point. It was just like, I really want you to change it a whole lot. I think it's the thing to be going just fine. Elon quote, like I didn't go to an Ivy League school but the people who worked for me did. They love that. They go to Stanford, pretty cool. I don't know where you went. I don't know if you even went to the university of Pennsylvania. Exactly. That's Ivy League. Maybe in the state? No. Maybe you went to Penn, he went to an Ivy League. No, I think. But maybe the quote is Harvard. I was talking to them about this and I was telling them that I think the thing about USC that was special was and for me personally, not forget work, business, anything. My friends, to this day, not once. I think once, and those are two, three years are going to decide to start this new business. Have I ever talked to my friends about anything serious? Mm. Ever. And these are people like 25 years, 30 years I've been friends with. And it's always lighthearted, it's fun, and that's our friendship. Great. And I love it. And very rarely do we ever get to the point where it's like, and I remember vividly, like 10, 15 years ago, I was in San Francisco, probably 2008, 2009, up there with some friends. And I go to dinner with these people and they're like, talking about the future of the world. I was like, fuck this. Yeah. Yeah, right. The future of the world. I'm the same. Press the button and get a car. I'm the fuck out of here, I don't give a shit. But those places too, like if you go to Harvard and you don't graduate and go into investment banking or get the premium thing of Microsoft, like you're a failure there. But I don't know if those are the most fulfilling things or not, they're certainly the most entrepreneurial and creative. No, yeah, I think they do think it's, it comes down to happiness, right? It's people you are. Yeah, you are. I think you guys are clearly entrepreneurial people that like your lives, your lives allowed you to do that. Your lives allowed you not to do the thing that was like, get on the treadmill of life and like it seems like it worked for you. Yeah, I mean, I run into people. I went, we went to high school with all the time because my kids go to school in the valley now. And everyone went to Grinada. They seemed pretty happy, regardless of what they're doing. Yeah. They're chill. Yeah. They're just like, I think I got the best of both worlds. So like I did invest in banking right at college. So I got exposed to Wall Street and like, that crazy life. Yeah. And then I started working for D and I'm collecting $10,000 in a stairwell in East LA. Yeah, perfect. I graduated. No, it was much more fun. I love that. Yeah, that's what it's fun. It's got to be a well-rounded individual. Yeah. I'm gonna have my kids go call it cash for me. That you want to grow up? Never now. Drive down. Drive down. And we're about to come out alive, man. I did it. That's an important lesson. Done my fair share. I want to talk about the last biggest story of the day. Yeah, please, what is it? Yeah, Swift. Yes. OK, so is this real? Go. Oh my god. You want to see my chicken? Oh my god. You want to see my chicken? Check it out. Relax. Relax, wokey. Relax, wokey. Oh, Taylor. So Taylor Swift came to the Kansas City Chiefs game, sat in the box, and said Travis Kelsey's mom. But if you guys talked about any of this yet, no. No. OK, so let me just give a little bit more lead up. Yeah. It started like buzzing online. About two weeks ago. Yeah, the rumor was Taylor Swift had Travis Kelsey's dating Taylor Swift. Yes. And then he said it on a podcast. Well, so then that was part of it. Yeah. So then like everyone was like, is this really real? No way. And then the famous football player. Yeah. Famous football player. Yeah. And then they have a podcast together. Yeah. And then it kind of looked like Travis maybe just kind of shot his shot at her. Yeah. Like he said that the other day. You do your thing at the stadium. Come watch me do my thing at the stadium. It was kind of like, yeah, but he's just, this isn't real. Yeah. And I think Dave Portnoy was involved. He was saying there's no way this is real. Then his brother on a podcast said, I think it's real. Yeah. A couple days ago. I feel like everyone was kind of like. No. Yeah. And then. And then today she. We're watching the game and she's seen in the box. And then. With his mom. With his mom in his box. It's his box. And she got a touchdown. Oh, let's look and go. That's crazy. Drop it up. Like a girlfriend. Yes. And then they walk out of the locker room today together. Oh. Travis and Kelsey. Then they hop in a convertible. Yeah. That's the most staged, manipulated thing I've ever seen in my life. I love it. This is Ukraine on steroids. I love it because. Interesting. I think. I think. What? Why would it be? I don't think so. I think it's hot. It's hot. No. No, we're all talking about it. I'll actually be at 60 minutes. Relax, Smokey. Get up. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. So, we wereигр retrング and broke up. That's, that's why. We aren't here ourselves. Interesting. It's not possible. I love it. So, um, what is going on today. But first one, was it for West Wenn. It's not possible. We weren't going to do that. Because we're gently down. But he's a stunt. He was just, he just hosted Saturday Night Live, but my point is, he's not like some random athlete. Like he's a big, so an athlete world he is as big as you can get. He's MVP of a Super Bowl, whatever. Yeah. I think this is real. I think this is, I think this is, I think this is, I think this is, she wouldn't put herself out. She wouldn't give him that much calm. I think this is too genuine people who, who met each other. And I think for her dating guys is impossible, as you've seen with her history. I think she has been dating people that have been like using her for clouds or using her. He doesn't need any clouds. Like he's biggest thing. He does, well, the other cool thing, listen, athletes have their probably own set of things if you're a girl dating an athlete, but if you're a musician or whatever, you literally can get more streams by dating her. Like it's a transactional moment. He's not getting more touchdowns or whatever by dating her. So he's dope. And I spent some time with him, mutual friends. He's cool as hell. And he's probably like confident in a nightclub. He's like a man's man. Dude, he's just, I had a dinner with him. I would one of these nights and I'm like, yeah, I would hang out with this guy. Every day of these days. He's like a cooler version of Gronk. Yeah. He's just, he's just awesome and confident and knows who he is. And I think she's like probably enamored by some guy that isn't like drooling over her and making her feel like, oh, if you date me, I get a platinum album like he's like, it's I'm in it. I'm in it. I really like it. I love it. Yeah, I love it. I feel like all of her from what I know, her exes, I like pussies, yeah, but they're similar. They're definitely better than her exes, whatever. And by the way, and by the way, somebody probably looked at her and said, and how's that working out for you? Yeah, true. So why don't you go date a confident dude that doesn't need you at all and is gigantic and like, you know, yeah, Travis Kelsey is a very, very dope dude. And we love Taylor. Yeah. We love Taylor. And now for her two weeks from now, there's no chance they're together. No. It's something a stage. Whether it's dangerous, that's why I think that could be debated. But like what she's done in the last week, she's so savage. And I just love everything about the way she moves. She was in New York with Sophie Turner, Joe Jonas's ex wife. And they purposely went to like famous New York restaurants, getting photographed walking out together. There has songs about Joe Jonas, Sophie is now in a divorce with him. And they're just like, yeah, fuck it. It's like we're going all in. She's supporting her girl. Like do you think in that one, she's definitely being like, we're not letting you, Joe Jonas, control the narrative of her as a mom and her as a person, which I love. I think that's, you know, I don't know the details of that, but like that sounds like a cool friend thing to do. Yeah. Yeah. And they went to New York and went to famous restaurants and made sure that everyone saw them. Yeah. People were there was a moment in time where there was literally a moment where it's like, oh, Joe Jonas and Sophie, like, huh, she has won the PR game. If you go talk to any person out there on the road who pays attention to this shit, they are team Sophie Turner for sure. Yeah. And I'm telling you she's literally Kobe. She literally is. No, no. She just so dialed. Like, did you guys see the clips of her, the VMAs? That was obviously like. Quite a great being. She's the best. She's the best. Travis Kelsey's Corgro. 100% it is. And then we believe in love. We were all from Bucket Entertainment. No love is that. And then I heard the boy. She's acting with the mom like, I love it. It's just so savage. Yeah, such a savage. She's the best man could ever. She's like, he's equivalent to sleepy sending 24 billion to Ukraine. Yeah. Thinking he was to fight war. Yeah. No, it's to buy houses and then skim a little off the top and then- No, but I'll have to. I just love the craft of her. That's all I'm saying. I agree. And like, obviously, like, I love her music. I love her show, but I love the craft of everything she does. You like that she's calculated manipulative? Yes, okay, that's fine. And she does that with her music and she does it. Because every A-list celebrity is, she's just better at it. Yeah, yeah, that's what we're. She's also just so famous that anything she does. Like, did you see the security outside of the box? That's where it's, yeah, there was, so there's a security outside the box. And then there was like 700 people who like, game is over. They are lining up just a seer. No, no, they're not getting an autograph. We're not saying I just have a, that moment in your life where I saw her with my own eyes. It's great. She is. It's good. I'll just take some waves of like, is she Michael Jackson famous? Yeah, she is. She's the biggest sense. I don't even understand this one. It's like, we were all alive in Michael Jackson's time. And like, he was very famous, very popular. Like, not more famous than this. No, it was crazy. He was crazy. You're wrong, I'm sorry. Okay, maybe, maybe Michael Jackson, maybe on a global stage. I've already argued with them on the podcast about this. And this fragmented world of celebrity, the fact that there's one person that's this famous isn't saying. I think that's super powerful. And the only one I'll say is global. Like if you go to, you know, different continents around the planet where Michael Jackson can go and they bring out 500,000 people and could she do that? Probably not. Yeah. But in Western, US, yeah, sure, major ones, she is easily as famous as that. I agree with that. I just don't think she's Michael Jackson. She's the biggest sense. He had some level. How could you be bigger though? Than Taylor? Yeah, I don't know. Like, I don't think maybe you're just thinking that because Michael's so legendary and like, it's like, nobody can be as good. No, he doesn't like it because I like her. Yeah, no, no, no. I just, let's be brotherly. But objectively speaking, if you think Michael Jackson is less famous than Taylor Swift, you're a moron. I said she's the biggest sense. Like you said, but you said, last time I said, Biggest sense, you could pull the, no, you said she was, no, you can pull the clips. I didn't see my pulling action. I just don't, when I saw it, I don't know either. For me, when I saw that wedding that she went to where there was just, she got up and SUV walked into a wedding thing and then they literally ruined the whole wedding because so many people like rode their bikes and showed up to see her walk out. I just don't get how you get more famous here. I agree. In today's world with all the media and all the cameras, especially how fragmented media is, there's no way you can get bigger than me. By now, right now, she's the most famous person I've created. I believe that. I believe that. And she wasn't like that before she started the tour. No, no. She was very, very, very famous. And the tour just took some other unhyton level of fame that I've never seen. Too bad, he's never going to experience it because he doesn't want to because I like her. Here's my question. Here's the thing is, I literally do not give a fuck. So it's amazing. This is what I want in my child. Everyone wants to go to the ship. You don't need to go. You can still have a great time. I was happy. Last time I was watching US Taylor Arizona State, it was like watching Taylor Swift from there. I was like bucking Caleb. Caleb Williams is my Taylor Swift. US Taylor Swift, I have Caleb Williams. Yes. That's my question. I can't wait to say dumb to Taylor. He ain't going that shit. He's going to slowly just, they're going to go on a little car ride together. He's going to play the album. He's going to, you know, endopter. We were tasting music. What if he was just famous? Huge swifty though. Would that be a disaster? No, I'll go, if he, these actually into it, I would take him. Here's my question. It's parenting. That's beautiful. I'm kidding. I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I feel like I can leave here tonight. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I only play my kids, I only play my kids, all these because of just language. And so we listened to a lot of, like, low town, things like that. It's magic. Yeah, it's magic. It's magic. It's magic. Today, I, whatever, I just got in the car and White Iverson came on. Plus my own great song. That's an oldie for them. It is, but it has a lot of cursing. I didn't realize it had a lot of cursing. And the song ended and he goes, get a, like, that song again. Ah, that's it. Okay. That's it. I like it. And I was like, why? He's like, it's a good song. I was like, well, why is it a good song? You don't even know what this, you don't even know what this guy's talking about. You don't know how an Iverson is. Get a fuck out of here. It's on there. But this one's fascinated by even the Greg story and now in Dom's story is like honest, like lesson that I'm trying to take home with me tonight is Greg got a, okay, to you, Dom knows good music. That was undeniably a career launching song. Yeah. Dom can spot it at six. Yeah. Greg here did an entire career pivot and has made, I'm guessing, millions of dollars because of a 10-year-olds lead. It's like, Dad, this is what's hot. Have kids. Like, I need like a Facebook group with a bunch of zeroes. You know, what are you guys up to? What are you guys up to? What's hot? It resonates. That's crazy. What is fact? I mean, go look at every app that's ever been like relevant. Like, there, you'll have people who, I would just have a conversation. If you, tens of thousands of apps that have been started by like wealthy executives with massive amount of funding who had an idea for a thing, and it obviously never worked. The quibbies and the vessels and the whatever. You take two people who are 20-something years old to make something that 13 and 14-year-olds love. Yeah. So it's gonna be cool. No, I have a great story, but smarter than us. I have a great story, but the same. You're lame. I am lame as fuck. I try to dress somewhat normal. And I don't have any insight on trends. I was probably 28, 29 years old. And I think Snapchat, I mean, I'm probably messing up the years, but whatever. Snapchat had just started. And I'm in San Francisco. And I'm with all my friends who are like in Silicon Valley. And everyone, we're literally at breakfast hung over after like a big night. And everyone's like, everyone's on this app. And no one knew what it was. They were just like, okay, we got on Snapchat. And everyone we saw were like ventricapolis, like trying to figure out what's going on. And it's just like little kid app. And everyone's trying to figure out like, what are the little kids doing? And obviously none of us did anything and made any money off of it. But I remember that moment where like everyone was like, holy shit, there's all these young kids on this one app. And this is before Snapchat, like had raised the big rounds or anything, but everyone was trying to understand what was going on. Youth. Youth does everything now. I need to go to Netflix and Beatles and everything. It wasn't a bunch of executives. It was young people. Yeah, it was kid, but your kid's just super passionate. There you go, just started hanging out with. I know, I need to look at maybe a network of like good streetwares too. So look at it, like streetwares right now. Like it, like I, cause of what I do, I'm like literally around all these brands and beauty and home goods and all these stuff. So in streetware, particularly I spend a lot of time and like, I need to know what's hot for my business. And so there's a brand that you guys are probably never heard of. It is the hottest fucking thing. What is it? Health star. Never heard of it. Health star? Health star. To back to kids in the valley. And it's like a, it's in resale. It is the brand. It is how you spell it? Health star. Health star. Archie L.O. Star. Is it like a Chrome Hearts Palm Angel? Like five? It's like, it's, you know, it's like, you know, very over in Bella's T-shirts and hoodies and big graphics. Nice. But it's like, these two young guys, they're in the valley in the Hollywood. They're just absolutely crushing it. Oh, it's always the world. And like, we can't even, every rapper is wearing it. It's the brand. You can't buy it anyway. It's every drop sells out. And like, you just, for you to stay on top of things, constantly day in and day out, it's so hard. You have to have, yes, the network of people or people pay attention. And people really authentically like it. That's other network of 10, right? Yeah, you got to have, you got to have those kids. It's 12-13. 10's probably young. Launch like group chat kids. Yeah. By the way, I think you need to have like six to 18, depending on what you want to sell. Seriously. Yeah. Because I look at my three-year-old and see what he's into. It's very different than. Yeah. Blippi. Yeah, Blippi. Blippi's hot. I did Blippi. No, I remember. I was trying to tell my three-year-old. I'm like, I think I can introduce you to Blippi. He's like, right now? He goes, right now? He can give you Blippi. That's amazing. That's hilarious. I was like, not right now. No, we may never see that guy ever again. There's a new one. There's a new Blippi. There's a new Blippi. There's a new one. My last question when it comes to trends and things like that is how many... What do you think is the uptick in girls shooting their shot at the football player this week in high school in college? By the way, can you imagine Travis, how she's DMs this week? That's why it's not going to be like a new P Davidson, right? He's like a cyclist girl. He's going to run for like the next five years. This was his great first grad. Yeah. But how many girls now are like, oh, any score to touchdown? Yeah, I'm on my fantasy team today. And Taylor cheered. When it comes to influence, I think it's going to be a hot week for a football player. I mean, it's going to run the sports media cycle for the whole week. Oh, god. First take. Clearly first ESPN tomorrow. Yeah. Literally ESPN first take. Yeah. It's going to be Travis Kelsey. Taylor like, did you see it? Did you see what the NFL did? The NFL went on there, either TikTok or Instagram and it changed the description of it from whatever. NFL, the best sports in the world, to Taylor was here, 924. Oh my god. Yeah. NFL. So in your, like, I literally, my, my brain today was, Taylor is bigger than the NFL. Yeah. She is. That's a crazy concept. This is a, yeah. It's bigger than Jackson. She's probably, I know. Yeah. She is. Did you just get, she's probably, she's going to be on the NFL would have done that for Michael. You, you, you, you guys don't remember. You guys are too young. There was 50. I'm going to talk to some 10, 100,000 people in a year. I had stadium. Let's say there's 100,000 people. Let's say 50,000 number woman. Who are all 50,000 then would have literally left the game. If Taylor was like, I'm going outside and I'm going to play some music. I'm going to have a guitar. I'm going to have some music and 20,000. Here's what you would have had. And the guys would have had to go with them. You saw the line outside her. If she really said, I'm going to go outside with a guitar and play some music. You have had 70,000 people leave the Kansas City Chiefs. These people leave the living breathe to go. Here's what you did for Michael. You guys are too young. Yeah. They would have never done that. You guys are not young. But on a Friday night, 35 years ago, Michael Jackson, said he was going to release a music video and the entire God damn country. Not 12 million people watch the Kansas City Chiefs game. 100 million people watch. The other options. Yeah, you did 100 million, you played the song. You were playing with stuff. You could say that about Kobe. You could say that about Michael Jordan, you could say that all the same. Taylor's bigger than Kobe. Taylor's bigger than Kobe. Taylor's bigger than Kobe, that's what you're saying Taylor's bigger than Kobe a coin on it. No, I think Taylor's bigger than Kobe Yeah, she's oh yeah, that's so exactly Way bigger than the forum To her and handed her Of course, yeah, I'm a big Kobe and Taylor fans so we can we can let them be a tie Taylor's the biggest all right, Taylor's the biggest star in the world and D's mad. I'm not mad I'm happy that she's a football player. It's great. Even Taylor Swift. That's a data football player Yeah, the football player's always win. Yes, that's a The pure grunt Forse guy, that's the girl always super handsome rich guy. Yeah, it's good to see the like family men winning, you know I feel like the artsy guys have been winning for some time. It's time to like this is good Yeah, sure, I feel terrible for Brady and all these guys. Yeah, they never get girl The short straw in life My homes, baby. He missed it. He missed He picked to it. I think everyone universally hates that them, right? Yeah I love the universal Yeah, as a football fan and screaming in the box doesn't have the same ring to it is Someone. Yeah, I was not good. All right. Let's do some shout outs. Oh shit. Okay. Shout out to Taylor Swift Um on in the big shout to Taylor Swift bigger than Kobe Nope, that's You don't fuck with If you have a Michael Jackson tattoo on you, you can say they got you on him. They baited you and they got you. What's your wedding song Michael Jackson? Yeah, shut up wedding song exactly man in the mirror. That was the last song. It wasn't Taylor. It was in your wedding though. Okay. Okay. What do we got? From Ron Big birthday shout out to my aunt Josephine birthday is September 23rd. She's turning 273 Wow, let's ask her who's bigger Taylor or Michael Jackson. I know. She has a very vivid memory of both I mean Josephine let us know. Yep I know she thinks I can see that we've been listening since 2018 she loves your laugh But she has views like on and man. I don't know 73 olds are so woke 73 let's count Taylor and she's sleepy by now. Yeah So wide awake Happy birthday 73 years young Next shout out to my husband Frank Davenport who just had the same nose surgery as on him last week also by Indian doctor Nice shout out to Ashish Wadwa in San Diego Life changing. He can breathe. We listen in the car together. We love the podcast. Thank you for always proving Providing us with great content Shout out to the nose jobs. 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I guess my family person Coastal promise yeah All right next is From Mark spurling our good friend Mark to Gene Marie his wife can get a shout to my wife Gene Marie for our fifth anniversary on 929 she's always wants me to play these good morning every day on our sonos wow hot hot hot song Also, she's still mad at drummer for leaving his stuff in our card hollow flowers. He knows what the stuff is Oh, that's funny. Must've been drugs Because hollow flowers is a marijuana convention Thought that I just carried drugs around Uh, there's the last shout out from Josh the Kyle, but it didn't say anything. Yep, that's from me I want to give a shout out to my boy Kyle Nice First tattoo shop. He's been grindin and put in a whole lot of work and it's finally releasing now. Where is it? Where is it? On westward Oxford Circle that you permanent make up and um tattoos and what country is that? Oh LA I don't love tattoos. He's looking for a switch Let's go to field trip to support him get MJ cross-out swift cross-out Kobe Yeah Could you say where again? I feel like maybe Uh, it's on westward Boulevard westwards westward Boulevard. I don't even know where that is. Yeah, can you get a group here? We said a whole episode about like 10 minutes from here. Okay, what's your book? I think it's a fix for you. It's Westwood Westwood Westwood Westwood Westwood Boulevard is not exist What's the name of the place Oxford Circle? That's the name of the shop. Yep. Oxford Circle. Here we go Now he's actually from Philly That was in the same. Okay. All right. All right. And once you have a shout out to Taylor Swift. Yep. For being the biggest things since person who's ever lived. Yeah. Yeah. Even before MJ. No, he's not giving that credit to her. He bailed. He bailed. Yeah. What do you mean? You guys got him. You were committed to she's bigger than Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson. But then when they pulled the cold. I said she's the biggest sense. But then you talked to me. I said this in three episodes. You hear there's some fucking stupid. But are you saying this? Are you saying this? This Kobe Bryant is bigger than Taylor. So then it's Michael Kobe, then Taylor. Kobe's the biggest in LA in LA. In LA there's no one bigger than Kobe. Yep. Not Michael Jackson. I don't know where it's globally is bigger. But even in Kobe. Well, Mike Piazza. But don't know. Okay. Let me just ask you this. Yeah. Good run. Even Kobe's prime. Or I pick any point in his life. Kobe walks down the street or into a restaurant versus Taylor. In LA. Taylor has a bigger... No. Not in LA. In LA, no. I don't know. I'll stand on that. I love you. I disagree 100%. Yeah. And there's this thing. You have, again, two dynamics of male and female. So all the females in LA are going to be like, yeah, I like Kobe. He's great. 100% of them are going to lose their minds for Taylor. And then tons and tons and tons of guys are going to lose their minds for Taylor. Like we were at a party one time where Kobe was there and it was cool. It was crazy. It was like, damn, Kobe said. But no one's like waiting outside for him. It was just a ton of people that don't care about Kobe because they just aren't basketball fans. But like everybody understands how Kobe music is actually escalated posts. It was. Certainly. He is a mystical character. No doubt about it. Yeah. Which you see my guy, Michael Jackson. But these are all subjective. He also begins with a fucking beat and beat. See what happens at a party. These are all subjective conversations. These are definitely fun. This is up to Jackson. This is up to Jackson. Taylor is the biggest. No, I think I... Yeah. I'm kidding. We're getting an answer. Have we done? Yes. We're done. We're out of here.