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What's up everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Hunting Gear Podcast.
I'm your host, Dan Johnson, and today we're joined by returning guest Brett Conan to talk about
arrow rests, releases, and bow sites, specifically on compound bows.
This is just a good old-fashioned BS session.
I was tinkering around with my bow the other day, and I was, you know, tightening some screws on my rest.
I was looking at the different adjustments on my site, and I was taking a look at my release,
and I was like, hell, let's just do a quick podcast.
I don't got anything better to talk about.
So this is a good old-fashioned BS session.
How I picked my bow accessories, what led to that decision-making, as well as, you know,
the evolution, you know, from the whisker biscuit or from the initial products that we use to the products that we use today.
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3, 2, 1. All right, on the hunting gear podcast with me today, Mr. Brett Conan Brett, what's up, man?
Not a whole lot, man. How are you today?
I'm doing good, man. Doing good. So the last three or four days here in Iowa, it has been like in the oh low 50s, mid 40s, somewhere right around there.
And today we're expected to get like seven inches of snow.
Doesn't sound like any fun to me. Where are you from again? Remind me where you're from? Kansas, Central.
Hey, dude, I'm going to try to pull a Kansas tag this year.
I hope you do. I hope you do.
Yeah, I'm a that's one state outside of Iowa that I could see myself, you know, trying to hunt as much as like the points would allow me to.
I think that's going to be a good place for me to go.
It's the line of giants besides Iowa.
Yeah, sure.
Okay.
I had a buddy today reach out to me and just kind of on a random question he asked me,
Have you seen the new expedition archery bow?
It's $2,000 for for the bow. Yeah, that's that's no joke.
Based off of based off of just that number, $2,000, do you think that's do you think of like what would a bow have to do for you.
For you to justify spending $2,000 on it.
I mean, I don't even know because I think I'm right.
Just just a little over a few thousand on my full setup and I thought I went all on that. So.
To earn for just the bow.
I have no idea what I thought I would have to shoot it first to say.
You know, if it's that much better than in any of the other bose that I've held or shot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know. It's a bit it's a bit ridiculous.
So I don't really know.
I read up on some of the you know, on some of the specs and and so from a from the standpoint of just the specs alone on paper, it really doesn't look like anything different than what's already out there.
The only other thing is it's it's they're using a material that is not nest it's lighter than aluminum, but stronger. They say that it's just as strong as carbon, but not as light as the carbon.
And so I think that's where they're justifying that price on that new material, but still man 2k. I just I don't know who their demographic is.
Yeah, especially since they're not a huge name brand, you know what I mean.
Right.
Because if it's not any lighter and it this backside just blown you away.
I would personally rather spend spend a little less and get the same boat.
Yeah, for sure.
For sure.
Like what let me ask let me ask you this.
What would it take specifically.
Like if you picked that bow up, what would have to happen in order for you to go man, I am I'm going to spend the $2,000 on this bare bow and I'm going to get it.
I would have to shoot it and then we just have to be completely dead in my hands and a ringer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that's I think that's the exact same thing for me man. I would have the the draw cycle would have to feel like butter.
I would have to feel like I don't know just very comfortable at full draw.
And then when I when I let the bow off, it would have to just have a zero vibration and and just throw an arrow like you know like I don't know did you ever play baseball when when you were younger or or in high school or anything like that.
Yep.
And so you would hear you would hear someone say, Oh dude, he can throw fast versus he can throw hard.
And it meant to completely different things.
And so I would feel I feel like this bow would have to throw.
A arrow extremely hard in order to in order for me to justify that.
Yeah, it would have to just pump punch real hard.
Yeah.
And so I'm going to probably have to have the guys from expedition on here and talk about that in the future. But today I kind of want to talk about three specific products that are that are on all of our bows.
Or well, two are on our bow ones on our in our hand and that it those are releases.
Those are sites and arrow rests and I kind of want to touch base and I kind of want to just have a BS session about those.
And so my first question I want to throw your way and let's let's start with arrow rests first.
How do you how do you pick your arrow rest.
Man, I've been shooting the same one for like eight years now so I don't really remember how I got.
But I'm shooting the QAD HDX.
Okay.
And it has not failed me one time or made me even question it so I've just kept using it. You know what I mean.
Yeah, for sure.
And and what do you like specifically about that.
That rest.
So I think I like most about it is one my flat things are my arrow don't get hit. Don't hit it at all. Right.
When I shoot and then to I can be you know I can carry my bow.
If I'm stocking in on something.
Dang there upside down and my arrows not going to fall off or make any noise. Right.
I don't have to worry about it when it's time to come to full draw you don't have to think about your your rest. It's just right there ready to go.
Yeah. Yeah.
I've had I've had one where it would bounce around and what in their tight and it would make noise when you would draw if you weren't smooth on it.
Just wasn't the greatest. So this QAD is is what I'm going to keep shooting anyways.
Yeah. And how long have you been shooting that rest.
I think like eight years.
Same rest or have you have you got have you went and got another one of them.
I got another one when I got my new bow. So just be the third year with it third fourth year.
Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay.
I'm in the same boat as you when it comes to arrow rest man for I want to say 12 years or something like that.
The very first rest that I ever got was a code red by rip cord arrow rest.
And dude I absolutely loved that rest. I mean I same same rest on my bow when I got a new bow that that rest came with me.
And then they came out with a new one like I think it was like the mini or something like that or the micro and it had some it had some minor like some micro adjustments that you could make to really you know to really tune it.
And so I really fell in love with that with that brand and that that rest and then the company sold.
And I just was like well it sold to one of those bigger type companies that buys up all the you know it's like five of them now that are all starting to buy up the all the individual companies within the hunting industry.
And so I was like well let me let me check what a different brand out. And I landed on. So the rip cord that I used in the past was a string driven system. Okay. I could I popped it up. I set my arrow on.
And then I would draw back and that full draw. The string would engage and then when I would squeeze it would you know it would be the rest would drop.
And so if I let down though the rest would stay up which was kind of which was kind of cool. But I went to a vapor trail now and it was a limb driven system.
So the limb driven system. They say that on because there's so much play. I mean have you ever have you ever seen a slow motion of the cables as they as they come up.
Or as you release your bow and the cables are all loose and the rest comes down and then it could pop it could potentially pop back up and.
And so I went with a limb driven system because I read number one I read a lot of articles or you know about limb driven versus cable driven.
And then I talked with like some professional shooters who say that their rest of choice is limb driven because the limbs don't bounce when they go when they when the boat when you release.
They go back to their starting position and they don't bounce back. And so that forces the rest to stay down.
Yeah. And so I was just and I said to myself. Okay, I like that I like that concept. And I didn't want to leave.
I didn't want to leave record because I've had such I mean I beat the shit.
I did that equipment.
What you do when you're out the bow man. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I got sand on it. I got mud on it. You know it would.
It would get wet then it would freeze and then it would thaw. And so every year man it just kept performing kept performing.
And so I'm just going to talk about the way that you use is that a cable system cable driven or limb driven. It's cable driven, but you got merely intrigued with this limb driven rest though.
Yeah, there's a lot of people. There's a lot of people that are that are kind of moving towards that limb driven system just for that reason.
And so I would say that the positives the positive for a cable system is that there's not necessarily this additional long string on the side of the cable that connects to your limb.
That's out there getting caught in weeds or if you're having to crawl through the prairie and doing some spot and stock stuff versus a cable driven system.
And so it's still a string it's not as long and it goes right to your cable. And so I feel like I feel that would be the only real negative with a limb driven system outside of that.
I just like I don't I can't quantify it but I just felt like when I went to this limb driven system.
I got I got more accurate.
Okay.
So, and it was it was a confidence thing for me so that's what's on my bow right now.
That's what it's all about right there is that confidence in your apartment.
Yep, for sure, for sure.
Let me ask you a question.
I I talked with a I talked with a guy.
And he is anti moving parts on archery equipment.
And he he shoots a he shoots a whisker biscuit.
And his thought process behind that is the more moving parts, the more possibility for inaccuracies because you know if if you bump it it could be off and then that moving part is off and things like that.
Have you ever shot a whisker biscuit before when I first got into archery yeah.
15 years ago. And to me, there's a lot of drag with that whisker biscuit but I mean I guess.
If you're shooting whisker biscuit great, you know you don't have to worry about that right.
To me if I'm going to go back to the whisker biscuit I might as well just shoot for this shot right instead of whisker biscuit that's just me.
Yeah, I feel like I feel like the thing about you know like obviously with a drop away rest, whether it's limb driven or limb driven or cable driven the whole idea is for the launch pad to drop and the arm to drop and the arrow to have no contact leading up to you know leading out of the bow.
Right. And so I instantly think about a rifle.
Okay, if you were to cut off, if you were to cut off the barrel of a rifle, it would be way less accurate than if you kept that that on because the bullet travels down the barrel for x amount of inches or whatever it is.
And so until it exits thus causing a straighter line. And so from a whisker biscuit standpoint, I can see how the arrow stays in that hole.
And in that area for a longer period of time, yeah there might be some drag to it, but from an accuracy standpoint, it makes more sense for me than a drop away rest. And I know it happens so fast.
But still there, there's the potential for inaccuracies in that I don't know like what do you think about that.
So, to me, if you're going to look at that, then you would look at all the archers, the best archers in the world are they shooting a whisker biscuit right.
I mean, that's just my thought process behind that it's like, I don't see anybody going to competition and shooting a whisker biscuit.
I can see where your thought process comes from too that you know you're staring down the barrel pretty much.
But then after after your arrow leaves that that rest you can't control it anyway so.
Right.
Yeah, I don't know. And by the way, just so people know I'm not an engineer.
And I don't know shit about archery equipment. So.
Yeah, that was way above me. Right. Right.
Okay, so any other positive or negative experiences I mean, this was kind of a MOOC point discussing this because both of us had, have had this pretty much the same.
Rest on our bows for, and on the same like however many years.
Any other any other positives or negatives.
No, not really. Yeah, just find what works for you and go with it if you're the type that wants to try something new every, every other year or whatever than.
I don't hold anything you see of it. Once I find something that.
That I know works I just usually stick with it. Gotcha. Do you paper tune at all.
I haven't in a couple years I did when I first got my bow. Yeah, but I probably need to check and make sure everything's still still good to go because I haven't really tuned or anything for the last two years it's just been.
Pull it out shoot it all summer long and everything's good to go so I just keep.
Keep on the same trail. You know, yep, absolutely. And I'll tell you this.
In the past I would put my rest on my bow. I would have the bow tech at some shop connect the string for me.
And then, you know, and then I would just I would shoot I would never tune. I would never usually tune my rest just maybe my my my knock point or and my my sites.
But I will tell you this that not last year but the year before I ended up going to a bow shop. We paper tuned.
We made all the proper adjustments on the on the release. We found, you know, the best not point for my D loop and and we also did cam timings.
And so have you ever noticed how there some guys have their bows. They just sound like.
Right and it's just real quiet and real efficient. My my bow started to sound like that. So I would highly recommend taking your bow. If you're not already doing this taking your bow into a professional having them time the cams having them.
You know, paper tune your bow and dude I'm telling you just the sound difference and the the the hand shock that went away after I tuned my bow. It was it was night and day with an already in my opinion good shooting bow.
Yeah, and I did that when I first had it all set up. Yeah. I probably should take it in because it's been a few years of just getting beat up. You know what I mean.
Yeah, and making sure that everything is still in tune and good.
Yeah. All right. Let's see here. Let's let's move to sites real quick. What kind of site do you have on your bow right now.
So right now I've got the HHA optimizer tetra. The single pin.
Okay. And do you what kind of what kind of hunting do you do throughout the years at tree stand hunting is it spot and stock hunting.
Both both. Okay. Yeah. And so talk to me about why you made the decision to go single pin.
So for me it was I used to shoot multiple pins and trying to guess gaps in my in there and just the inconsistency of in the heat of the moment. Sometimes those pins start to blur.
If you're not just completely focused in which you know you got a huge buck in front of you sometimes things happen and go into the single pin just made me really be able to focus on that.
And I don't know about you but I shoot both eyes open. Okay, no I don't do that.
And that has helped me with shooting both eyes open on just having to focus on that single pin. Okay.
And so was it kind of like a night and day dare I mean did you always shoot a single pin. Have you always shot a single pin or did you have like the regular five pin sites when you first started.
Yeah, I had that regular four five then site when I first started. Okay. All right. And so then.
What made what made you then go to you know switch from that to the single pin.
And then you know you need to make a better shot. Okay.
Then I went on a hog hunt and completely whipped on one. It just.
Over time you just kind of graduate to the next thing and to me that was going to a single pin where I could just focus on one thing. Yeah.
In your in your opinion what are the positives and negatives of a single pin versus a multi pin system.
So the positive for me is that yeah you only have focused on that one thing but the negative would be in a quick shot scenario where you don't have time to range.
Then I could see the these multi pin being more beneficial.
I only had one opportunity where I didn't necessarily get the shot off in time or when I needed to.
But any other time with mainly white tail hunting with my bow typically I've got plenty of time to range and set my thing to where I want.
And so then the question that I have for you is have you ever lost a deer because you've had to adjust a range on your on your bow while you while the deer is coming through.
One time I haven't come through too fast but then I think it was like 14 15 days later I ended up killing him anyway so.
So you'll put that so you'll put that in the back pocket and say well I got him anyway but you know okay yeah I got you.
So here's here I'm first off I'm gonna I'll give some experience with from for myself with the sites that I've used in the past.
My I had a originally I had kind of just like this individual pins where you would have to go in and set 20 30 40 50.
I think it was a five it was a four or five pin site.
Then I went to a single pin site.
And I thought that was awesome.
I it was for my first you know first out of state hunts back in 2014 I went to a single pin and then I held that single pin for a handful of years until I had a deer come through who was following a dough.
So the dough was not walking in a straight line so therefore the buck was going close and then far and then close and then far.
And so I had to continuously move my my pins or my my pin.
And so some guys will say well there's an answer to that problem and there's a hybrid option available so you have your your 20 and your 30 or permanently set.
But then from 40 and on is the the single pin.
I loved it. I loved a single pin when I was out West because most of the time I had an opportunity to arrange the animal several times before I would take a shot.
And so after the single pin is when I started messing around with the trophy Ridge react sites.
And so for me.
Dude that's just that technology is just a no brainer right you cited your 20 you cited your 30 and then the rest of the rest of the pins whether it's a four pin site or a five pin site.
They're all automatically done for you. And so I've just I feel confident and comfortable in in that and I I continue to go back to I think it right now I have the react H5 on my on my bow right now.
And they have seven you know they have react sevens and then they have I think that's as high as they go but the react seven the react H5 and then the react H4.
Is there a three V5. No okay I'm looking at their website anyway I've had that boat that that react H5 on my bow for a while now.
And for the style of hunting that I'm doing I feel comfortable gap shooting in between like a 45.
I feel like I'm okay at that but but that I don't know that's why I went away from a single pin site is because I feel more.
I feel more comfortable with a multi pin site in a Western environment.
Do you do with a single pin site in a in a tree stand environment. Does that make sense. Yeah, makes perfect sense. Yeah.
Do you ever find that it gets clustered. And that's exactly what I was gonna that's exactly what I was gonna say from a the standpoint of what they call that.
There's a term they they use like where the pins all seem too close together.
What's that called.
I'm not sure. Yeah. Someone someone will let us know. But anyway. So the pins get too close together.
And so when you're going to draw back. It's just hard to see the animal behind all the pins.
And and that would be the big negative for for that type of for that type of site.
Now I really haven't had any issues other than maybe at really low light or you know the last five five to ten minutes of legal shooting light where the pin glow is a little bit too much still.
And then the backdrop is really is really clouded out so whatever that term is that's the only negative for that I do not like it but I still weigh that less than having to adjust.
You know when a once in a lifetime deer comes by and you're you're sitting there trying to okay he's at 30 now and then you've got to try to rain. Okay now he's at 40. Okay. Well now he's at 35 and going back and forth.
And then we have nightmares about that scenario.
For sure. And there's no perfect situation every situation you know but I'm glad that they have both options for sure. Yeah, absolutely.
Have you ever messed around with that react stuff at all.
I used to have the react one. And I loved it but just kind of made the switch to the HHA and yeah.
And I was the end of that. Yeah. I haven't shot the react five or any of those.
I had the HHA kingpin that's the one that I had. Okay. Yeah. And so with with the react five that I have the react H five. That one.
I mean I'm not saying shooting perfect but in a matter of 10 minutes 15 minutes you can have your bow sighted in at from what I would say okay.
Siding in with that react system. How long did it take for you to get your single pin set up.
Honestly this one was the easiest I've done it was probably three to four arrows at 20 yards and I moved back to 60.
And was pretty well spot on within a few arrows.
Now is that going to happen every time absolutely not but for whatever reason it was dialed into my bow.
Extremely easy gotcha gotcha.
And so I mean again it sounds like just a matter of you know 15 minutes ish would you say. Yeah you had it cited in. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
And so the cool thing about all this technology is everything for the hunter even on.
And I'm not talking about the digital type stuff but every thing from a setup standpoint seems to be getting easier than what it was you know 15 years ago.
Yes. Very much so. The technology is unreal. Yeah.
Okay so anything else you want to mention about rests that you've had good experiences or bad experiences with.
No but I was going to ask you what do you think about the digital.
Right. Yeah man I just can't trust him. First I don't know why I just can't trust him.
Number one they're illegal in Iowa. Right. So I can't I can't I can't use a rangefinder.
My rest or my sites cannot have battery powered equipment on them in Iowa.
All right. Yep so I can't have a rangefinder attached to my bow.
I can have a rangefinder in my hand or in my pocket but it can't be attached to my bow.
And so I just again it comes down to what are you trying to focus on when you are pulling back on the deer.
And I did mess around with one of those Garmin sites at a at a shop once.
And I just couldn't get the thing to match what my rangefinder was saying.
Right. So if my rangefinder would say 40 it was telling me a different number.
And so I couldn't I couldn't get it to match.
And so that left me skeptical. Yeah. Which you know if I'm if I have something that skeptical on my you know and I'm using it.
It's not going to give me the confidence that I want. And so I just number one I can't use them and number two I don't think I ever would just because again of of those inconsistencies.
Yeah. I mean they look fun and all that to me I like the old school approach about it.
Yeah. Now am I going to go trad? Probably not. But but I think that's just too much.
Yeah. So I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. Let's see here. We've talked about we've talked to you know briefly about rest and sites.
Let's talk a little bit about releases. Okay.
Now depending on who you talk to.
Some guys say that the release is the most important piece of archery equipment you like you you have. So if you're going to spend your money on something you should spend your money on a really, really good release. What do you think about that?
It makes sense. I had never thought about it that way. But I did switch a couple years three years ago to the thumb release. Yep. And I don't think I could ever go back.
Yeah. What is it about the thumb release you like so much.
That it's it's I quit punching the trigger. Okay. Pulling back and just really going through my motion of squeezing my hand instead of then then you don't know when it's going off. Right.
Get rid of that target panic. And I found myself not punching the trigger anymore. Gotcha. Gotcha. And did you ever dabble with a a back tension release at all.
I did a little bit. I ended up scaring a crap on myself more than anything and having bad shots. Yeah. And so I'm not saying I won't go to that eventually again but it'd be something that I would have to just really focus in in the spring and summer.
Yeah. I'll tell you this man. I might be the only person I know to have ever gotten stitches because of a back tension release.
How did that happen. Well, when I was testing it out at the shop. The you know you're not I don't know if I was just I just probably wasn't used to it.
And I was trying to pull back and I pulled it right out of my hands. I was trying to be relaxed. And so the bow went off with the release still attached to the D loop.
And then it bounced back and smashed me in my cheek. And so I had to go get two stitches in my the scars not there really anymore but I had to get two stitches in my in my cheek for that.
And so I then I got made fun of by just about everybody in the store until I don't know it was it was it was funny but I don't use back tension releases anymore.
I'm a I'm old school man like I I've been shooting the same true ball release for five or six years. Yeah, maybe. And then before that was a different one and the only reason that I got rid of that one is because this is a really good one.
And so I just thought that is because the stitching started to come out it was so old and weather. And I want to mean I bet you I had it for like 10 years.
And so this other one I've had for maybe four or five years. And so I don't know I just feel really.
I just feel really confident and comfortable in in the wrist strap trigger trigger release and I used to punch it a lot but I don't as much anymore.
I just put in the wrist strap and having to hook in every time. If you're trying to range.
And then hook into your D loop. I mean that's that was one thing that I noticed on myself was it was taking too much time with this stuff.
And then I would hook it on my bow and leave it hanging there. And then when the time comes I can range and just grab to go.
My dumbass would lose it. I'm not joking man I I would I would lose that in the woods or in my truck or along the along the way somewhere and I'd be like where is my release with a wrist strap unless I lose my arm.
I have that sucker I have that sucker with me.
That's true. What brand to thumb release do you use. I've got a true fire.
Okay.
And I love it right. That's up right now.
Yeah. What kind is it a hinge release or is it one of those clasp releases.
It's a clasp.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Have you ever used a hinge release verse clasp release.
I have not just for the simple fact of I'm scared that it would fall off.
And then I'd be.
Yeah. Yeah.
I've I've had a couple releases in my day. I messed around with a hinge release. I didn't necessarily think it was any better or worse than I guess you would call it.
I mean I would think that I would put it in the room like a a clasp versus a hinge.
Is it a caliper caliper. Yeah. Caliper style. Okay. So I guess I didn't notice any addition like any accuracy differences in the two releases.
I think that if I'm going to put money anywhere, I would put it in my rest or my site over my release.
Yeah. I don't know. I'm not I'm not that good of the shooter anyway. So it's a if they can kill a deer or whatever animal I'm willing to shoot at. Then it's good enough for me. I guess.
Yeah. I'm a target shooter. Yeah. Do you think do you think a lot of people overthink their their hunting gear purchases.
Sure. Are you an idea. Yeah. But why is that.
Because you see everybody in their dog promoting something else and you want the latest and greatest the best thing and everybody that shoots that says it's the best thing ever.
And so just kind of getting your head that and maybe I need to switch to something else. I'm just as guilty as anybody.
Yeah. Yeah. I I've been doing that a lot less lately with my archery equipment like my bows, my sights, my rests.
And my releases. I usually don't bounce around as much. Now I used to with my bows.
But the accessories would make the transfer to the new bow. Like I wasn't buying any, you know, anything really new outside of that.
Like boots and stuff. You know, like other other hunting gear. I really mean, I use it. I use it a lot. I don't I don't change every year other than for a while there.
Not necessarily camo, but clothing is one thing that I always I'm always refining to try to find the most comfortable of.
Pants versus, you know, the most durable pants, you know, depending on what environment that I'm in. And so I always like to have a different.
A different clothing option for, Hey, am I out West and I'm spot stocking or am I in a tree stand and it's cold or am I, you know, turkey hunting or whatever the case may be.
I always like to have a variety of different clothes, you know, clothing to choose from to make myself the most comfortable.
Because you can be uncomfortable initially with a new site rest or release. But with practice, you can still teach yourself how to use those products and become accurate.
I feel. Oh, yeah, this I'm released. I can tell you right now I was not at all. I first started shooting. I was punching the trigger way too early or, you know, on my draw cycle.
And then go off. So yeah, I can understand that. It definitely takes practice. But with your camo, it's you're comfortable or not one of the other.
Yeah, you're too hot. You're too cold or whatever. Yeah. How what was the learning curve like for which and from a trigger to a thumb.
It probably took me honestly a month. Okay.
Business shooting, you know, at least four or five times a week. Okay. You feel like I was 100% comfortable.
It took a while on the both shop to even get it's where I was remotely accurate with it.
Just.
You're on 10, 15 years with one released and then you switch. There's only that learning curve.
Yeah. Well, good man. Well, hey, I didn't want to take up too much of your time today. This was more of more or less a BS session about some of the rest releases and sites that we've used in the past.
I I've shot a ton of them. I kind of just keep going back to whatever I feel is comfortable at the time.
I know that a lot of the equipment today as far as compound bo accessories just keeps getting easier and easier and easier.
But I will say that just like that $2,000 bow that we talked about at the beginning, some of these accessories like if you were to go with like the best but like most expensive bow the most expensive site the most expensive rest man you're looking at more like
that $3,500 frame and that's with even without arrows.
Yeah.
So that it is getting more expensive. The technology is getting more and more refined. But you know, you can shoot a $500 bow just as you can shoot a $2,000 bow in my opinion.
But whatever is comfortable for you is where it's at. I feel comfortable with something that I'm going to spend the money.
Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, Brett, man, I really appreciate you doing this last minute. I know that I had a guy that was supposed to come on.
He bailed on me so I went to social media like I often do and I said, hey, who wants to talk? You were the first one to reply. So I appreciate that man.
Yeah. Anytime to appreciate it. I always enjoy talking to you.
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