The Fall Sessions Gear Episode

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And so this episode that I've done, I'm calling it the fall sessions. This is going to be, this was like the fifth one that we've done. But it's about hunting gear and equipment. So I just wanted to put this one on the hunting gear podcast feed as well. Let everybody listen to it just because it's gear related. Hopefully you guys enjoy it. I'm going to recommend going to the nine finger chronicles feed and listening to all of the nine finger chronicles podcasts. Period. All of them. No, but the ones that I've done with Aaron, really fun, really exciting. I had a blast recording these episodes and so I just wanted to share it with you guys today. Before we kick off this episode though, I want to remind everybody that this podcast is brought to you by Huntstand. If you guys are in the market for a hunting app, you got to check out Huntstand. So first off, go to huntstand.com, read up on all the functionality, read up on things like digital imagery. And how much they update it. It's like every month they update brand new satellite imagery. You know, it has all the standard functions like landowners, property boundaries, public private land lines, things like that. But then they have recently introduced something called a pro white tail platform. And if you're a serious bow hunter who likes to hunt or just a serious hunter who likes to hunt the rut, this is definitely the upgrade for you. And it costs a little bit more, but it's still very affordable. So go check out huntstand.com. It's that time of year, man, where we got to start putting a plan in place, start thinking about our tree stand locations. What the wind's going to do in those scenarios. And I love hopping on huntstand and figuring that out. So huntstand.com. That's it for today. We got a new partner joining us in July, the first of July. So be aware of that. And outside of that, man, let's have a good rest of your day. Have a good rest of your week. Have a good weekend, month, year, wife. And we'll talk to you next week. Three, two, one. All right. This is the fifth installment of the fall sessions right here on the nine finger chronicles podcast. And I'm back with Aaron, the host of the fall podcast. That's why we're calling it the fall sessions. So how you been, dude? Good, man. Good. Good long weekend. Went to the lake. Had some fun. Went to a niece's birthday party. And now here we are. It's tack week here in Michigan. So total, total energy challenge. You know, as a record, this is going to happen in two days. So I'll be heading up north for that. And it's going to be a lot of fun, man. Awesome. All right. You love baseball, right? I do. Yeah. Actually, let me back up. I've never been to attack event. What's it like? Is it, is it worth going to at least one in your life? 100%. I've been three or four now. I think. It's a lot of fun as far as like every year, it gets bigger. I feel like. And I've only been to the Michigan one, but. Yeah. There's so many like-minded people. And the cool thing about it is you don't even have to go shoot. Like there's a whole bunch of vendors there. So you can go walk around their vendors and just kind of. You know, talk to. Whoever might be there. Exodus might be there or latitude or hoi or whoever, you know. Yeah. And you can. A lot of those people are running show specials too. So you can buy stuff there. But I'll tell you what. Even if you want to go and just register and shoot like the practice range and stuff like that. It's a lot of fun. I will say, you know, I've done. I think I've done three now. I will say it's. Like the nostalgia is kind of wore off for me like going up there this weekend. I work for latitude. So I'll be working the booth. Like I really don't care if I shoot or not. Like it's just. It's not something I'm like, oh, I got to go do it. Like, yeah, for me. I've been there. I've shot the courses now. I'm like, yeah, I just kind of want to go and hang out with the people. You know what I mean? And just kind of in talk. So right. That's where I'm at. Yeah, I've put some thought into going to. One one of the closer ones here. And I think the closest one is either in. Man, it's going to be. I think the Michigan one is probably one of the closest ones for me. Really? Yeah, I don't even know where they have their events these days, but. But yeah, I mean, it seems like fun, but. I'll be honest. If someone said to me, hey, all expense paid to a attack event, I would probably just go to watch and hang. Because my bow needs a new string. I have not, I haven't even, I'm not even close to getting it set up. So I need to take it into the shop, get a new string put on it, and then start shooting again. For sure. It's one thing that I think everybody should do at least once and then just kind of, you know. If you want to do more than do more, but it is a good event. It is really cool. And like I said, up in Michigan, there's going to be. Other podcasters there, but there's going to be a lot of like, you know, I'm in Michigan. So that's where my core listener group is. So that's a lot of people like to. To hang out, come by the booth and talk and, you know, kind of meet us and get to know us. And then I'm going to be doing some podcast up there too. So I also look at it as like a way to get content done. You know, and maybe get four or five podcasts in the, in the bank. So I look at, I look at it that way now. Yep. Absolutely. All right. So now baseball. All right. Yeah. Our little league team. Man, we got in the last week. We played a game I believe on Wednesday. Then we had, no, no, yeah, a game on Wednesday. Then we had a tournament where we played three games. So that's four games in like a four or eight four or five day period. And so what's cool is that our team is starting to come out of its shell. Some of the kids anyway. And so my son is one of them. He was, he was not doing very well right at the beginning. But now he's comfortable in the batter's box. And so now he's starting to hit. Same thing. We had one kid who's just like, I feel if any kid is going to put one over the fence this year as an eight year old. It's going to be, it's going to be this kid. And so he's starting to swing the bat. And he's feeling comfortable in the, in the box. And so we had it. Have you ever seen the movie Moneyball with Brad Pitt? Yeah. Love it. And so that whole entire movie is based off of Saber metrics. The, you know, the statistical, you know, long story short, if you haven't seen the movie, what, what Saber metrics is as a guy came up and he's putting together a baseball team based off of nothing but statistics. Hey, how's this guy to look? You know, how hard of a worker is he? It's has nothing to do with like a gut feeling. It's all 100% based off of statistics. And so, you know, I hope nobody who is on the team listens to this. But our top three batters in the order were, were number one and number two in strikeouts. And so I looked up how to calculate and how to make a batting order based off of Saber metrics. And, and so now hopefully coming out of this tournament, the next tournament. And this is not up to me. It's up to the coach. I, I'm an assistant. So I put it together. And hopefully we can get some of our better kids, better hitters and kids with better on base percentage. And then we can get a higher up in the, because our, I think our eighth batter has like a 685 on base percentage. So he's either hitting or he's getting walked. And he has like a four something batting average right now. And so, but he was eight. I'm like, we want this kid to, to be on base as much as humanly possible or to be at bat as much as humanly possible. So our team played really well this weekend. We had an example where the kid, the kid with the most strikeouts was the last batter of the game with people in running position. And so it didn't work out. But we played awesome this, this weekend we, we lost to some really good teams. We beat a, an okay team. And so anyway, baseball, I'm, I'm starting to fall back in love with baseball and just like the statistics of it. Like I love looking at batting average and digging into how this guy get on base or how did, how what's his slugging percentage and things like that. No, I agree. And that's, that's why I love baseball. Like, you know, we're big to try Tiger fans. So like when we go to a game, I'm the guy that's still to this day. I'll have, I'll buy a, the book, you know, that you can keep the score and everything and I write the scores in and all that in the games and. And it kind of go back to your point about like you have a kid lower in the batting average. Now, this is not going to like really mean much when they're that young. But when you start getting into like varsity baseball and high school then into college, you know, typically hitters later in the lineup are going to see more fastballs. So like you might have a kid that might be hitting seven eight or nine that has a really good on base percentage or average because typically they're going to see more fastballs lower in the lineup. And then also you can hide kids. You can hide guys behind hitters. You know what I mean? And typically the rule of thumb is your third hitter is your best hitter on the team typically, you know. So it's that whole side of things is really cool. And then for me watching a game like I love dissecting counts like this guy is like when I watch a game on TV. It's like it's a, you know, one and two count like what's this picture going to throw, you know, what would I throw where would I. And I like to try to validate my thought process and what that picture does. So I just love baseball and it makes you think constantly. Yeah. And that's what I love about it. And these kids, they get so worked up. They get so worked up when they strike out or they, you know, they make an error or something like that. And strike out mostly. But, you know, we got a kid that's batten five hundred. No, actually he's batting like seven ninety this year on our team. So he's almost all out. He's almost automatic. And he'll cry when I'm like, and so we are, we go with the dude. You would be in the hall of fame. If you had, you would hold all the records. If you had this batting average in the major leagues. And hopefully that motivates him or at least tells him to stop crying. I didn't realize until this year, coaching kids that it is necessary as a baseball player to have a very short memory. And be able to get over whatever problem you just had so that the next pitch, you're back on point. Yep. A hundred percent. And like, you know, the whole adage and the whole saying goes is like, you know, in baseball, you can fail 70% of the time. And you'll probably be a hall of fame. Exactly. You know, anybody that hits around 300 as a career. I mean, I was looking at stats the other night just because I was going down a rabbit hole, but Tony Gwynne. Tony Gwynne is arguably one of the best hitters that ever played the game. His career batting average was like 333. Like something like that career. And I'm like, that is ridiculous. Yeah. You know what I mean? And that's him almost failing 70% of the time. Yeah. And he's the, you know, considered the best hitter ever. Yeah. And he's got what he's got like 4,000 hits or something like that. I don't think he's, I don't know if he's got four. He's got at least 3000. I think I don't know what he has for total hits. Yeah. But in the white tail world, if you throw, if you say I'm only going to be successful. Well, for me, being successful 33% of the time would mean that I only shoot three bucks every 10 years. And to me, that's not good. Like, that's not good. No. But based off of tag-filling statistics. That's a, like, I think what's the success rate for some of these elk draws out or for some of these elk and deer hunts across the nation. It's like 10%. Like success rate on some of these, filling some of these tags is 10%. So if you compare it to that, then you're doing pretty good. Yeah. So right here, I'm looking at Tony Gwyn's stats. He was a 338 career hitter. He had 3,141 hits. So for anybody that's not a baseball person, if you can reach 3000 hits in the major leagues, that is like astronomical. Not everybody does that. There's a fraction of people that do that. So who's, who's above him? Do you have that in for you? I'm going to say Pete Rose is probably one of them. Yeah. Let me look. Of course, for those who are listening, we are going on a huge down a huge rabbit hole right now that has nothing to do with the white tails. Actually, so there's a lot of people or not shouldn't say a lot, but there's quite a few people ahead of him. Pete Rose has 4,206 hits. He's got the most than Ty Cobb, 41, 4,189. Hank Garen, Stan Mutual, Trist Speaker, Derek Gators, got 3,400. Honest Wagner, Carl, you're skrims, you skrimsky, Albert Poohol, Paul Mollender, you know, you got all over 3000. Yes. I mean, the line stops is Roberto Clemente had 3000. He was number 33 on the list and Tony Gwyn's number 21. So, I mean, Pete Rose, arguably is probably the best hitter, but obviously there's an asterix by his name because of his gambling stuff. But I mean, God, 4,256 hits, Stan. That's ridiculous. And that's, I mean, let the dude in the Hall of Fame, man. I mean, he didn't gamble. He didn't throw any games. He gambled on his own team. Yeah. So whatever. Anyway, um, you have, you have some information about deer teeth and aging, aging deer. I want to hear this story. This is hot off the press. Literally, I just got this right before we get on this call. And so, you know, that like aging deer is always, you know, in the, in the world of white tails. Like aging deer, I feel like it's like way up there. You know, like, and I, I fall in this bucket too, as far as, you know, people like, oh, that was a mature box. He's, he's, he's four years old, five years old, six years old. I'm here to tell you, and this might be a hot take. And I don't think, unless you have pictures of you, a deer that has a notch in his ear or whatnot. I don't think anybody has an idea of what age is, unless you had, unless you literally watch that deer grow up with, with some sort of marking. The reason being, okay. So, I just, I sent three sets of teeth and to deer age, okay. And I just got them back. Now, I shot in 2021, I shot a deer in Illinois. And I'm going to give you some weights, because I have all the weights and everything on these deer. So, this deer weighed, let me look at this real quick. He weighed 250 pounds on the hook, okay. We're talking about central Illinois deer. He scored 145. He grossed at 145. He was a 10 point, great looking deer. But, you know, when you look at him, it's like, what I thought he was a four year old. For sure, thought he was a four year old, comes back to three and a half, okay. And I'm like, right there, like he is, in those three and a half to four and a half year old deer are very hard to like, like that's the line for me to be like, and he could be three, could be four or whatnot. I thought he was four, you know, with, with all of his, you know, features and everything. And he weighed 250 pounds. It's a big deer and everything. I'm like, oh, he came back at three and a half. So, that was one thing. The next one, Ohio, I shot one in 2021, Ohio, he was a, he scored 170 as a typical 10, okay, as a growth scored. And he weighed 240 pounds on the hook. He was 11 point. He had some great mass. Big deer came back at four and a half, okay. And I'm like, man, I figured he was four thought he might be five, but I figured he was at least going to be four. So that one really didn't surprise me too, but so the one that surprised me was this one. Last year I shot a buck in Michigan. He scored 132 grossed, but he had two broken brows. And I figured if you, I figured he'd be a low 140s deer because you could tell they were completely broken. So this deer weighed 220 pounds on the hook. The growth scored 132 as is, this deer was a big deer. This deer's got great mass. And I try not to look at the antlers and the mass and stuff like that and try to discern an age from that. It's just, I try to look at their chest, their body, all that stuff. This deer was one of the bigger deer that I've seen in this area, body wise and everything, and especially antler wise. And he came back at three and a half. And I was a little, I was a little, little up, not upset, but I was like, man, that told me right there that like we just don't know. We do not know because you see, I'm telling you, Dan, if you would have saw this deer in a bean field, they're in a field of hunting and Michigan or whatever, you'd be like, got to be a four year old. You know, like it looks like a four year old. He just, he, he just did. And he's three and a half and I'm like, you know, I hear a lot of guys saying, you know, especially Michigan guy saying like they think that there's more four year olds than we actually think I think you're wrong in my area. I, I literally, you could have put a gun in my head and be like this deer for, you know. So I was a little, little, little upset about that, you know what I mean? Because it's like, you work so hard and you're trying to kill. And he was a top 10% of the bucks that I have an opportunity at, but I'm like, what do I got to do to get a four year old? You know what I mean? Yeah. I just don't think they're, I just don't think they're as prevalent around here as people play. So I have in my office here, I have, who's that artist? What's his name? Ryan Kirby. Yep. I have the, you might, you might have it too. The poster of a one and a half year old, next to a two year old, and then it kind of breaks down all their characteristics. Right. And I think he got some of that stuff from the, the NDA, okay? So I'm looking at, I'm looking at it. And there is very little, there's very little difference between a three year old and a four year old from, from just body size, right? Now you, you take, you take it even a step further into a five year old category. And I'm just basing this right off the, the artwork here. Maybe there's a little bit more sway in the back. Maybe the gut is a little bigger. But then again, I've seen, I've seen a hundred. And I'm assuming he's a five or a six year old, huge body, no antlers, right? A 120, 125 inch, a 10 pointer, right? And so just like humans, there's so many different variables into how big they get based off of their diet. You know, if you're going to base it strictly off teethwear, what about a deer that eats a ton of grass and clover and not necessarily acorns or, or, you know, corn, shell corn? And so, so if you have just a softer food that these deer are eating throughout the entire year, their teeth aren't going to wear as much. If you got a deer who he only eats corn and he only eats acorns throughout the year and he, you know, he's heavy into that. Then his teeth are going to be way more worn down than let's say a deer that only eats grass or, you know, because they have favorites, you know, they're going to go to what's plentiful at that year. And in states like, let's just say South Dakota, Nebraska, on the western side of the Missouri River, those deer are eating a lot of grass. And so their body size will never be as big as a, as a deer here in the Midwest that has all that starch corn and things like that. So there's so many, there's so many variables that end to top it all off genetics. And like I told you on the shipwreck episode on your podcast, shipwreck was at eight, nine, you know, he was, he was eight, nine, ten years old when he was ten years old when he was shot. And I have documentation of almost every single year and same color of the guy who shot him, he is a deer breeder. So he knows about deer. He says he's probably a 10 year old buck. Okay. He weighed, I want to say between 200 and 225 pounds. Okay. And so genetically, he was a small body deer. And if you would have taken the rack off of him and put it, it would put 120 inch rack on him. This deer is now not getting looked at at all because it just he has a small body. He had some characteristics of an older deer, but just in a smaller package. And so yeah, unless I agree with you 100%, like even me, I say, oh, the deer downstairs are four years old or this one's a two year old or this one's a five or six year old. Nobody really knows. I mean, I don't have trail camera pictures of multiple years of, you know, like three or four years of all those deer. So it's a guess. And that's what everybody's doing is they're taking their best guess. And yeah, I don't know. Yeah, and it's, you know, that deer I was talking about the Michigan deer. I should grab him real quick. I got him right here, but a buddy of mine hunts a farm close to where I shot him and actually found that deer shed the year before I killed him. And he gave me the shed and the shed to me screams a three year old, like just by the antlers. Now, and I just told you a little bit ago, I try not to look at the antlers and judge a deer off age on that. But when you look, hey, how do you do? Oh, no, how long? Two weeks. Come on, that's going fast. Yeah, hopefully. You're also going to a job that you're going to leave. Then come to Lufthansa Group, over 50 Ausbildungsberufe, from IT, Übertechnik, bis zum Cockpit. Fly big, off Lufthansa Group, and curious. Got like a three year old, what people say there are three year olds. And I look at that shadow, I'm like, and that's a three year old. And then I look at his antlers now, as they're sitting there, I'm like a four year old, like, you know, as a skull captain, like he's got great mass. And so it was a little offsetting, but it was also to the point where I'm just like, it just reiterates the fact that it doesn't matter the size of the antlers. You just don't know. You don't know unless you've seen that deer grow up, you know? Yep, absolutely. I'm looking at a pair of sheds right now in my office that I found like in 2009, eight or nine, so a long time ago. And I'm telling you, the pedicles on that thing are the size of maybe a quarter, or like somewhere in between a nickel and a quarter, okay? And I would say it's a, there's no browse on them, just little bumps for browse. But we're looking at 115 inch, I guess it would be an eight, because they're just little bumps for browse. But with the pedicles that are very tiny. And so I look at that and I go, that deer genetically is gifted because that's the pedicle size is like a one year old or a two year old. So potentially the first set of antlers that this buck ever grew was 115 inches, 110 inches is nuts. Yeah, and that, that, so that'll be, that'll be another thing. The first buck I shot this year, grow scored at 111, and he's got like a seven inch like double main beam. Okay, so, you know, not really massive. I honestly think he's probably a two year old. I had a little ground shrinkage when I grew, when I walked up to him, I thought he was a year older, bigger than I thought, but I wasn't, you know, I wasn't, I was happy with the deer. I'd shoot the deer again, honestly. But I'm going to send his teeth in. And I'm going to be really interested to see if he comes back at a year and a half. Because if he does, that means the same thing as like that deer's first rack, he's mid teens and grew a double main beam. You know what I mean? I got imagine he's going to be at least a two year old, but I could be completely wrong. That deer could be three. And if that's the case, geez, I have no clue. I'm aged here. Yeah. So it's one of those things where I, I, I always say I'm going for a four year old. But when you, when you really boil it down and break it down, like, I'm going for a deer that at that exact moment looks good enough for me to shoot. And that has to do with body size and antler size. It's not 100% based off of body. So, you know, even I guess I'm a little bit of a hypocrite. Yeah, I think we all are. And, you know, how many times do you, after a set, you talk to a buddy, it's like, man, I saw he's a big deer man. He's probably four year old. And I'm like, really, you got to check yourself. Like, is he though? Yeah. And one thing, here's another interesting thing. So you see a doe group come out and they just look really lean. And they, they, you know, some, even a matured doe doesn't carry the body weight like any buck will. You take what I'm going to guess is a matured doe. They come through in a spike, a yearling or a two year old comes through. They're bigger already than the oldest matured doe. They're already bigger. So they stand next to side and it gives you a little perspective in just to say, geez, man, it's so hard to tell what, you know, what's accurate. I agreed. Yeah. And by the way, I had a buddy during shotgun season one year. They did a deer drive and he shot a spike and it weighed two, two, 50 or 270, a spike, spike buck yearling two year old. Wow. Something like that gigantic body. Wow. It was nuts. Yeah. The day, the days of 200 pound deer, like for Michigan, I must speak Michigan. Yeah. The day when we, when you get a, somebody killed a 200 pound deer, like on the hook, it's like, wow. Yeah. That's a big deer. Now, dude, I think I would have to, like I weigh all my deer. I would have to say the last four or five years, the deer I've killed in Michigan have all been over 200 pounds and respectively, like 250. You know, it's just, it's just the way it is now. So I will say this in 2012. I think that if I had to, if I had to guess what the outcomes would be based off of me sending things in. I'm guessing the deer I shot in 2012 is going to potentially be 2012 or 2018, but I think it's going to be 2012. That deer had, I was at the time, probably 240, 240 pounds. And I'm sitting behind this thing and just took two guys to the amount of time it took to, and I never officially weighed it. But I'm confident that deer was over 300 pounds. And so to this day, that deer was the biggest body to animal that I'd ever, I'd ever shot. And like 300 pounds is huge. It made me look small in the picture. And I shot him in the nostril and the arrow went down his throat. And I don't know if you ever saw that video, but it went down the throat in a blade. It just opened up his neck and it hit its carotid. And it just was, or is jugular and it just, it was over in like 60. It was, it was like murder scene. It was not. It was gnarly. And that was that chest shot that we talked about in the last episode. But he followed, he saw my bottom stick. He followed it up and right as I release the arrow, pulled the trigger on the release. He dropped, but his head stayed up looking at me. And so instead of hitting him in the chest, I hit him in his nose, but his head was up. So he, he basically swallowed the arrow. It was, it was insane. And you know, I don't want to brag about bad shots, but I mean, he died. He died really quickly. Oh, you hit that artery. Yeah. He's his, his artery, his throat, his, like, so everything just tore, tore him up. And he didn't last too long. So, um, all right. Anything else about the, the age of those deer before we move on? No, man. I, it's all I really wanted to share. All right, perfect. That was interesting. Now, the remainder of this, you know, we've been BS in here for 30 minutes. And it's kind of good that we did because I don't see the rest of this conversation lasting too terribly long, but hell, it could because we're kind of gear nerds ourselves. We've, we've talked about, let's see, let's kind of recover what we, uh, cover what we've talked about. We've talked about, um, terrain. How do you move through terrain? Yep. Uh, we've talked about mature deer, mature deer. Yep. And, and mature deer behavior. Yep. Moment of truth. Moment of truth. Okay. And a whole bunch of other things that revolve around how deer use terrain, uh, how mature deer are different from young deer and then the moment of truth. And, and now, so we're in the moment of truth, right? And for me, and I'm, I'm guessing you're going to agree that the moment of truth becomes less of an issue when you're confident in your equipment. I know, I know it, I know it does for me. I'm not, if I'm not thinking the best quote I ever heard from someone was, if you're not thinking about your gear when you're out hunting, you're, you have the right gear. For example, when I go out west, I know my boots are great and working the way I should want them to because I'm not thinking about my feet and I'm not thinking about my boots. I'm just going. And so, let me, let me ask you kind of a question. When it comes to your gear, how do you make your decisions on, on what to purchase? Well, this, honestly, this happened by a lot of trial and error and a lot of following, thinking I needed to follow trends back in the day. Like the trend thing really got the trend bug really hit me around. I was in 10, 11, 12, 13 in those areas. Dude, I was buying a new bow in like middle of October, November and putting a new, a new rest on it, new arrows, new broad has new, because I saw someone else doing it. And that couldn't have been like, it was the worst thing to do. And I struggled like 2011, 12 or 10 and 11, I struggled, mightily, just because I didn't have confidence in my gear. And honestly, now that I've gotten a little more mature and everything and what I'm going into something or thinking about something like, there's a lot of things I take into consideration, but the one thing is how, how do I have to, or how can I use this piece of gear and not have to worry about it is my first and first. First thing, like, you know, I switched to fixed blade broad heads two years ago. I don't want to have to worry about it. I want to be able to put it on there and it's going to perform. And that's what it does. You know, the other thing is like, I've went as far as, you know, I use QAD rest. And a lot of people, me included, I used to tie the cord just right on the cable. Now I use the clamp and everybody's like, why do you use the clamp? I think it looks so stupid and everything. And I'm like, well, when you really think about it, it's really functional. And I can fix it in the field if I need to. And, you know, instead of having a press to be able to spread your string and put a little loop there and tie it. Why not use the clamp. You know what it means? So little things like that, like, you know, I'm trying to buy a, I'm trying to find a quiver, the right quiver for the side of my bump. And it's like, I've been thinking about this for three weeks. What one do I want to get? Because it's got to, it's got to have some functionality, but it's also got to be able to do what I need it to do. So when I'm purchasing things, it's got to be performed where I don't have to think about it, man. And I just know it's going to be there. It's like a point guard and a shooting guard. You know they're going to be there, even if you don't see it. Right, right. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how many times I've talked about this, but just like falling for the marketing. I was that guy too, man. I was like, oh, did you see this new bow? It says it's great. I got to do it. Oh, I need Sitka. Oh, look at everybody's got sick. I need Sitka. Oh, look at everybody's got first light. I need, I need, did I need some first light or I need this and I need or whatever. You enter popular brand and I was the kind of guy, except for broad heads, really, except for broad heads. You enter in the name of the brand and like I remember when elite first came out and how their bows were supposed to be so different and awesome and things like that. And I started shooting them. And yeah, they were good, but I really wasn't making the decisions on what I was shooting or my equipment based off of my personal needs. I was doing it because other people were saying how awesome it was. And so it took me a handful of years. I would say somewhere around the 2006, 17, 18 timeframe is when I started to just kind of step away and go, what works best for you. And that's when I started really focusing on like my arrow setup and where I was hunting, how I was hunting. I personally am not a huge, like I like Camo. Don't get me wrong. I think there's certain, you know, Camo works great in certain situations, but I am more interested in what the gear will do for me as far as make me comfortable and keep me comfortable in the woods. Not necessarily what the pattern is doing. I just, I honestly don't think Camo plays as big as a role to us as we think it does. I agree. And you know, I'm a sick aware. And I want to kind of go down this road, too, because sick is, you know, it's the Lulu lemon of the hunting community, probably, which, you know, for me for sick. Oh, by the way, by the way, that is like not the toughest comparison, right? If you want to be like, yeah, what's tough? Well, you're the Lulu lemon. How do you equip it? Well, it really, it probably is, you know, because how priced it is. Right. And I will. It's quality. It's quality. It's, that's the thing. And the kind of, I guess the point I'm looking at getting across is, you know, I don't wear it because X guy wears it. I wear it because there's a couple of things in my buying process. When I go to sick as website, I can filter and say white tail. And it tells me what I need to buy. I'm the type of guy that I'll do research, but I want to know from the people that are building this. What is going to work best for me? Get me in the right direction. You know what I mean? And, you know, so I like that whole process, but also they have, they have, what you call it, like they have kits. Basically, they have a big game kit. They have a turkey kit. They have a white tail kit. And, you know, it is marketing and everything, but I'm like, I can go in that white tail section and be like, yeah, it's a good starting point. 100%. And it takes a lot of the guesswork out of it. And honestly, Dan, it fits like a hug. Like I love, and anything that's going to keep me in the tree longer. Yeah. And I'm sure first lights the same way. I'm sure who use the same way. I'm sure whatever else is the same way. Just get with what you want and stop bitching if somebody uses sicker first later, something like or whatever. You know, yeah, absolutely. You know, I, I really don't want to go down the camel rabbit hole because it just, it just becomes talking in circles, right? Yeah. And just clothing in general, because I hated the marketing. So I decided to branch out and start going in different directions. And so like I like how hunt worth has has some solid options. And so I'll be working with hunt worth and it's more affordable. And I think the quote, some guy used the other day was it is 70% of 70 or 80% of sit. It's as far as quality, but half the price. And so, and so that's working man type numbers. You know what I mean? And, and I'll be work. I like the fact that they have solid options. And so I'll be working with them a little bit this year. But anyway, that that's beside the point. I think a lot of it has to do with what you're comfortable in. And there's a whole bunch out there last handful of years. I've just been wearing like dickies or or car heart pants because I go through thorns and beggars lights and cockabers. And that just doesn't stick to that like the fleece. Like I have a pair of Sitka fleece pants that I don't wear anymore because beggars license so thick on it. So I bet. Yeah. Now we've talked about matured here, right? We talked about big body deer. And so I want to talk a little bit about, you know, I kind of want to focus on both setup, arrow setup, rest site and really end like because we can talk about boots. That's preference. We can talk about tree stands and saddles. That's preference. We could talk about ground blinds. That's preference. But there's a lot more science and numbers behind draw length and arrow weight and things that are technical that we could talk about with that, those kind of things. So when it comes to your bow, your arrow setup, maybe even some of your accessories. How are you picking that type of gear? The same thing, man, as far as like the functionality, obviously, it's got to be there. It's got to feel good archery and to me, archery is all feel it is, it is, you know, when we were at ATA this last year, we're walking around and what I mean by we David and I and and we picked up the bow tech and right when I picked it up, because I've heard a buddy who was like, man, I shot this thing before we went to ATA. He's like, you should shoot this thing. It's really good. Yes, yeah, okay, I picked it up immediate right off the shelf and I looked at David and you can ask him this. I put it right back down. I said don't like it. I could already tell in the grip that I would not like that. Well, I didn't have to shoot it. That's just it's all feel from A to Z. It's got to feel good for me. I shot Matthews for years. I've shot PSC in the past. I've shot baritory in the past. Now I'm on to a prime and prime. I shot their boa at and now like so yesterday I was out shooting in the yard before tech and I was shooting at 89 yards and I text David after I was done and I'm like, man, I've never had a bow hold at long distances like I have this setup with my stabilizer setup and just how and how it holds. It holds so well and the draw cycle on it's so good. So archery for me is all about feel if I can pick it up before I even shoot it and it feels good to me and then shooting it if it's, you know, good on release and everything. That's just a bonus to me. Now that whole process of just the thing has to be sit it and forget it kind of deal. Like I just got to know it's going to be there and perform. Yeah. And that's what I look at going into that whole process. Yeah. I am. I'm just not a carbon bow guy. I don't care what brand makes it. I just don't like the way carbon both feel in in my hand. I'm shooting this is the third year. I made the decision a couple of weeks ago that I'm not going to get a new bow this year. I'm just going to replace the strings in my current bow and it's a bow tech. Like a solution, not the SS but the bow tech solution. Dude, I love that bow. It feels it feels good in my hand. I love it at full draw and that's where like you were saying, I think that's the most important is, you know, some people will say, oh my God, the draw cycle just sucks on certain bows. But I'm not even thinking about that the old because when a buck a deer steps out and you know you're going to shoot it or there's a bedded mule deer or an elk coming your way, whatever it is. Dude, do you think the draw cycle matters at that point? Dude, you're not even thinking about. You're just like, William, right? Like I'm if it didn't have, if it didn't have limb stops or the ability to stop, I'd rip that the string right off the damn bow every time. Right? And so I, for me, it's all about what it feels like at full draw. And if it feels comfortable and I feel solid, that's the kind of a bow that I that I like. But with that said that the bow that I'm shooting right now has a really good draw cycle. I felt like in the past certain bows don't have that. And when for some reason there's a correlation with bad draw cycle and then a ton of handshawk at the end. But again, that's not something that you're thinking about when you release the arrow on a deer. It's all about full draw. And then you let the arrow go. Hopefully the forming the practice you've done all summer has has paid off. You like, you got a glove on or it's cold. Like, are you going? Oh my God. That I just shot this deer in the handshawk on this bow was so bad. Like nobody's thinking about that at that time. Right. I will say one thing I did. So in 2019, I shot a Matthew's berics loved it. In 20 or 2020, I think is when they came out with the bow, they called the VXR. So in when I was the company I was with, we were partnered by Matthew. So we get Matthew's bows every year. But going from I'm not a big guy, you know, I'm like 510, 185 pounds, not a big guy, 28 inch draw. I like a 31 to a 32 inch draw. That that VXR, if I remember right, was like a 33 inch draw. Every time I would grab it, I just felt like it was like a 35 or 36 inch bow. And I'm like, man, I just, and what they just, oh, you mean, you mean A.T. Axel axel axel. Axel axel axel. Yes. Yes. Yep. So like, and I think they designed that bow as the riser longer. So it felt, or you know, the riser was longer, not the A.T.A. But the riser was longer. So it would hold better at full draw. But man, every time I'd pull that bow back, I felt like I was holding on to an eight foot two by four. Like I just felt like it was so big. I ended up getting rid of that bow. And because I didn't, I didn't like it. I found out that I live in that 31 to 32 inch A.T.A. is where I need to be. And, you know, when I went with the prime rev X, like they have different options. They have a 32. They have a, I think a 34 or 36. I knew immediately I was going to like that 32. And that's what I went with. Yep. I shot a 30 inch axle to axle one year. And I liked it. Okay. But my accuracy is way better with a 33. Like I feel real confident. I'm a, I'm six one. I got a 30 inch draw length. And so that's, I just felt confident with a longer axle to axle. Yeah. I've never owned a Matthews bow. Really? Yeah, never, never have. And this is going to sound horrible. I've never, they, they trust me. They make great bows. They make great bows. But I met a guy a long time ago when I was looking for a bow. And he was a Matthews fanboy. He acted like such a douchebag to me about all other like, dude, you got to get a Matthews. Well, you know, just like, he just, he made it seem gross and sent to this day. It hasn't rubbed like it hasn't left me the thought of how that guy acted and how arrogant he was was was just a huge turn off. And I, and I think about that every time I go bow shopping. Yeah. I can see that. Yeah. All right. The topic of discussion that is, it happens a lot is arrow weight. And I'll just start off by saying, when I decided to up my arrow weight, I also saw improvements in my accuracy. And I've hand shock went away or was lessened. And so I love, and I don't, and I'm not talking overboard where I'm shooting up, you know, a 200 grain broadhead or a, you know, arrow weight, that's like 600 something. You know, I'm not like a huge, I'm not a huge FOC guy. I'm more of a total arrow weight guy. And so when I jumped up from like 380 something to, I think I went 380. To like 4 something to now I have a shoot a total arrow weight. I think it's 524 524 greens. I've noticed like that is my, that is my comfortable range. That is my confidence range is right there. And I don't, I don't feel, I feel like with the right head on that. Like if I'm going to go elk hunting, I'd, I'd put a fixed blade or a, yeah, fixed blade. White tails and mule there. I'm going to shoot a, I'm going to shoot a mechanical. But I, that is what I feel comfortable in. And so far, there's been nothing done once I moved up to that 524 range. As far as marginal shots and things like that. I'm getting pass-throughs. I'm getting deep penetration. And I, I feel very confident in that setup. So I'm going to continue to use it. Yeah. And finding that comfort zone is huge. And, and two years ago, I started playing with different arrow weights. And actually, in 2019, I built my first like where I built in my bought components from my ethics archery. And I, you know, with the, I changed broad heads at that time. And I just ended up being around the 470 range. And I just loved how shot. So then, you know, the arrow craze comes even hotter. And it's like, I got to go heavier, you know, because 470 is the light end of a heavy arrow in my opinion. It's not like even 520 or wherever you're at, like I really don't look at that as like a giant arrow. You know, when you start getting up to like 600 grains and higher, that's when I'm like, okay, that's a big arrow, you know. So I like that 470 range. Well, I, I messed around with like, I got a 593 arrow. And then I got like a 520 and then a 470. Man, the all of them shot well, but it was more of a personal preference. When I shot that 590, I was like, I literally don't think I could have shot over 40 yards without the deer hearing it because it's just a stupid arc. And I'm like, I can't, I can't deal with that. I need, I need the happy medium. 520 was a little better, but 470 is my sweet spot. It's a dart. It penetrates like a like crazy. I shoot a 125 head, all single bevel, you know, fixed blade broad head. It is my money spot. 470 to 480 is where I'm going to live for eternity, because I just, I think if I want to go elk hunting, I could use the same thing and just be just fine. Yep. Yep. And it sounds to me like our numbers are very close. You add two inches onto, you know, onto your arrow when I'm at 30 and you said you're 28. Yeah. So we're sitting relatively. I might be 20 or 30 grains heavier at that point. But, you know, I also shoot most of the heads that I shoot, I'm trying to think are, yeah, are 125. So I'm not shooting, no wait, 100, excuse me. Yeah, 100, 100 great head. So, and I trust, I trust that, that head, that's the only product really. I've, I've strayed away from one time and then came back to it and still shoot it today. It's been like 13 years shooting the same, same style heads. Let's see here, arrow weight. Are you a three-fletcher or four-fletcher guy? Three-fletcher. It's a question I get a lot. I tested around with some four-fletcher. I didn't really care for them. Maybe I had something set up wrong, but it was just to the point where I'm like, okay, I tested it enough. I don't really feel comfortable with it. I'm going back to three-fletcher. So I'll be a three-fletcher rapper. Yeah. And whether this is accurate or not, I'm a four-fletcher guy. And in wind out west, supposedly four-fletcher is supposed to perform better. It's also supposed to stabilize the arrow and flight better because of the drag on the back end. And it may slow the arrow down a little bit, but I feel like that's giving me more accuracy. And so that with, so you match that with the, I shoot a day six arrow. Love that company. Love that arrow. And you match that with a four-fletcher and then a wasp broadhead. And I feel like there's times where I feel like I'm shooting a crowbar down a range because it's just, it's just in a good way. Yeah, in a good way. Like it's just room. It's going. And this past year, along with, it's the first year I've ever really stopped and paper tuned and did cam timing with a bow technician at shields in Corolla, Iowa. We took one day where we did all that stuff. And my bow was money. It's the first time I've ever had, you ever, you ever hear just a hear a well-tuned bow. And it's just like, the bow just sounds tight. And it sounds efficient. And so I had that this year. And a lot of that has to do, I think, with not only the tuning to the arrow, but the arrow setup itself as well. And so I had everything really work in for me. And I believe that that is, that's very important. That's a great feeling when you have that. Like, and it's like, you can just pick the blow up. I've been shooting a lot just about every day recently. And, you know, I just go down my hunting room, pick my blow up, get my arrows, get the quiver or whatever. And I'm just like, I just know I'm going to go out there. And from 20 to 90, because of attack coming and everything. I'm like, I am dialed. Like I can kill anything right there. But I need to like, I love that feeling. Yeah. Yeah. You feel dangerous walking into the woods. And I tell you, it kind of comes back to that confidence that we talked about, man. Like, when you walk into the woods and you go, today is a bad day to be a deer. That makes you just a better hunter. Right. I mean, you're at the moment of truth. You're just like this guy's dead or this. And I haven't reached that come that that type of comfortably or comfort. I guess you would call it until the last maybe five years. It took me a long time. And gear has a lot to do with it. So, what, what heads are you shooting now? What'd you say for a head? I shoot a helix broad head. So it's a, it's just a fixed blade, right, Bible, single, Bible, head. They, they've been around for a long time. The FJ two is just, you know, a single one blade, you know, and then let this, this past ATA, they launched FJ four, which has bleachers, which I shot those with the prototypes last fall, I shot two deer with them. Yeah, just ridiculous. I think they're even more accurate than with the bleachers than without the bleachers. Yeah. And you get more blood with them. Man, I, I, I have a broad head. I am going to shoot for the rest of my life. I really do. You know, and they do work with the podcast and everything like that. But honestly, I started shooting them because they reached out. I'm good friends with the marketing director. And then he's like, Hey, do you want to shoot some broad heads for this year and try them out for us? Because it was a new thing for them. I'm like, sure, didn't no partnership or nothing for that first year. I'm like, OK, I'm onto something here. Like, let's, let's do something. So yeah, that's, that's the head issue. It was in 2000 and what was it? It would have been 2005. I got my finger cut off. I got money from insurance. And so when I got back to Iowa, after moving back there from Alabama, I went to shields and I bought a brand new bow tech tribute. I brought about arrows and the first. When I, when I would call an official first upgrade, because I was shooting like some hand me down bow, some bear or an o'nita. I used to shoot an o'nita. The first pack of broad heads I ever bought with my own money was in 2008, 2005 or 2006 was was Jack Hamers. And so that's a maiden America head. And I have killed so many deer with that head, that specific head more than any other broad head combined. And it's just something that the blood trails that I've had that just the straight damage that it does on marginal shots. And that's really what it, what, what it comes down to in my opinion is, you take your arrow and you are, you're, you're, your broad head and you take my broad head, you put it through the lungs or the heart dead animal. The true test of a good broad head comes when you gut shot it or ham it or, you know, is that broad head doing a ton of damage on marginal shots. And if it's slowing the deer down or stopping the deer with that marginal shot, that's a good broad head to me. Yeah, and I did test it out, not, not on purpose, my any means, not on purpose. I shot a deer in, in 2021, no. Yes, 2021, I'm sorry. And I hit him back and I got shot him and he never, it took me a while to find him, but I did find him and he, you know, it was, it was a big ordeal, but it performed the broad head performed. I shot another deer that, earlier that year, completely full frontal. And with my arrow set up like I told you, it's 470 grains with 125 grain head, 28 inch draw only shooting 65 pounds. I shot him right in the chest, you know, right, like, and came down and the arrow had six inches of the arrow when I, when I walked off to him was, was sticking out between his legs and went through the whole cavity. Yeah, you know, and right then in there, I'm like, as a 200, 240 pound deer, and I'm like, right then, I'm like, this thing is ridiculous. And that was only that, that was only the single blade. It wasn't like the, you know, the, the bleeders. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, this thing is ridiculous. And that, that's what my true testament came in 2018 for, and this is what this is not necessarily about broad head, but heavy arrow and heavy arrow plus fixed blade. I don't know if I would have got the penetration on a mechanical, probably just based off, you know, physics. No, I wouldn't have, but I had a boss four blade on, that's my fixed blade of choice. And so I drew back and I hit the deer. It was in his ham, because he was hard quartering away. It was, it was a shot that, you know, like I, we talked about it last last time. I'm pretty aggressive on my shot, but it is a shot I probably should have rethought about taking my arrow saved me on that though. So I was able to shoot the deer, go through the ham, go through all the guts and go pop the diaphragm. I think I hit very low opposite side lung and it came out his armpit. And so another mechanical with my 2021 buck, similar to you, I shot right in the chest, and it was a mechanical. And so I had a huge damage there, and I had, I see I shoot a 32 inch arrow. I believe it, believe it is. Wow. Yeah, I think it's 30, I mean, I got a 30, I got a 30 inch draw. So I, you know, so it's a 32 inch arrow. And so what is it, 30, yeah, 32 inches. And I think four inches were sticking out. I got 28 inches of penetration with that mechanical and that arrow setup. That was another time where I was just like, damn, like, I know I'm, I know I'm shooting the right, the right stuff right now. Right. Yeah. And that just goes back to the confidence. See when you, when you see that kind of stuff, it's like, man, you almost feel a little invincible. Like I feel a little invincible. Like I could, and it's almost, almost to, to a, to a fault because it's like, you might start thinking like, I can start pressing the envelope a little bit. Like just any shot I want, well, you got to do it within a reason too, you know, you don't want to be taking shots straight straight up the old hind end or anything like that. But, I mean, do it. Do it with what you have confidence in, but don't overstep thinking that you're invincible as far as like, making very marginal shots, you know, yeah, absolutely. Another thing that I went, and there's no tests that I've done, again, it's confidence. I went from a cable driven rest to now I'm shooting a vapor trail limb driven rest. I'm getting way better accuracy with that with a limb driven drop away rest than with the cable driven that I was shooting previous. Yeah, I used to shoot the vapor trail limb driven. I still got one on my, my another ball. It's a great rest. Honestly, it's very easy to tune. It's very easy to work. I guess the, if I had any, I mean, it's full capture as well. But if I have any, any beef on it, and this is not much beef is unlike a spot and stock kind of thing. My air will still move around a little bit, quite a bit. Now with my QAD, it doesn't move around as much, but it's still does. But like I said, go back to that. Like, you know, I have had on that vapor trail on like a spot sucks situation. Have it. I'm sitting around and hit, hit the bottom of my site, maybe on my, on my QAD. I haven't had that issue. That's not why I switched. I honestly reason why I switched is because I had the vapor trail set up on one bow and I had a QAD on another bow and I just started using the QAD. They're both really good rest. Yeah. Yeah. I, I get 100% what, what you're talking about. I just put my finger over top of the arrow when I'm, when I'm stocking. But I know exactly what you, what you mean by that. And so when it comes to price, here's, here's how I approach it. If I was in golf, if I was a golfer too, or if I was shit in stamp collecting or, or whatever the, the extra curricular activity is and, and hunting, then I would have a split budget. Right. And so I would have to be very cautious of what I spend if I'm, if I am personally going all out into different categories and I'm a, you know, hey, I'm a golfer and I also like to go to baseball games and I don't, like, I don't do shit. It's like I don't want, I shouldn't say I don't do, I don't want to do shit except go hunt, right. You go on vacations and things like that. But what I'm getting out here is those days, six arrows. They're in my opinion, there, there are the best arrow that is made in the, in the industry. That, and that's, that's a, they don't sponsor this show at all. They don't do, they don't do any sponsoring. I don't think. And they're, they are probably some of the most expensive arrows as well on the market. But I look at that and I go, it's my only thing, like hunting is my only thing. So I want to have the best equipment for what I can afford right back in the day. If I was, you know, 26 year old version of me, I wouldn't have been able to afford that. It would have been out of my price range. But now I make the money, I make enough money. They last me a couple of years. And I'm, I'm confident in them. And so I'm the type of person who pays more for confidence. And, and that kind of stuff. So I look at some of the prices and how people break it down. I don't feel like, I feel like, especially in the hunting industry, that price does reflect quality. I agree. Definitely, I agree. I will say, talk about the arrow thing. I think one of the, one of the best arrows for like a budget arrow, I would call is a gold tip, like XT hunter arrow. You know, I've shot those things forever. Not that expensive, they work really well. I don't have any affiliation, affiliation with gold tip, but that is like a good budget arrow. But I agree, like, you're going to get what you're paid what you pay for. And honestly, since I started the podcast, like the podcast can fund a lot of my, like, equipment that I need or trying to use. So it's a little easier for me to buy things now than just using like the family money. But I will say, like, I'm, I'm, I squeak when I walk, I'm so cheap. And like, I'll bitch and bitch and bitch about it. I could figure out reasons why I need that, but I'll bitch and bitch and bitch bought for like three weeks. Then it's like, all right, just like the card. And then I'll find you know what I mean. And it's like, and it's like, why don't you just have the mentality of buy once cry once. And that's kind of where I'm getting to is like, you can really find a use for it. And really it's going to help me buy once cry once I'll buy it. Yeah, absolutely. You know, and that's why I feel like the message when it comes to gears, very simple, find something that you're comfortable with it with, find something that is in your budget. I mean, you were both cry once by once type guys outside of that man. And it shouldn't be stressful to go beat by hunting equipment and and figure out what bow you should buy. It should be fun. It's the process for me is fun. Like I like going and shooting bows and going, ooh, what's the difference between this one and the other one. It's, you know, all this stuff. And so I, I like, I have fun in in the process. I enjoy that type of thing. I don't, I try not to stress out. However, I did stress out. I was stressing out like, do I buy this ebike or not? What do I do? Like should I get this? Let me stop. You're okay. Yeah. Are you going to, are you going to talk shit on ebikes? No. Okay. Okay. Then I want an ebike, but I will not spend the money for any bike. An ebike will give me an area. I can, I can tell you 10 pros that to one time that why I need an ebike and how it will help me. I will, I refuse to pay the full price for an ebike. I'm going to say something to you right now and then I'm going to stop talking. Okay. When I went to South Dakota this year, I usually either hike a mile in, set up camp, then hike another mile or mile and a half to a glassing spot and set up. Or I walk a mile in from my truck or however, you know, usually the miles to cut off or maybe a mile and a half somewhere, then you set up and then you go can go a little bit deeper. I went in six and a half, almost seven miles with my ebike in the same amount of time it took me to walk one, maybe two miles. It is, it is worth it. But you got the, the caveat there is you got to make sure that the land that you want to hunt on has certain like what the rules and regulations are for ebikes. First and foremost, but the benefit of them, especially on my, my new farm that I had in Iowa, deer, they, okay, the access to the main part of the farm is through one gate. And when I would walk in there, the deer on the ridge would see me when I drove my ebike in there, they just went like this. They just looked at me and then they went back to doing what they were doing and it got me the opportunity to get in without spooking deer and dude, dude, it's worth it. Okay, tell me this though, I'm going to play devil's advocate here. Now, this is where I'm at with it. Okay. Okay. So an ebike, let's just say modestly, you're going to be spending like three grand for a bike. Okay. Yes. Now, I get it. It has, you know, pedal assist and all that stuff. You don't have to pedal as much. I understand that. I have a really nice pedal bike like a mountain bike. Okay. I was going to go down the road of backing that thing out with everything I need with racks, you know, everything. So the only only benefit I don't have is the motor. Okay. So I don't mind pedaling. My thing is in what I could be doing is like you said, like my one of my farms, we have to pull in like halfway to the farm and I blow a lot of deer out. I'm saying park at the road and bike back. So tell me this, if you had a pedal bike and did the same thing, would they, are you saying because it's an ebike, they do that or would a pedal bike be the same thing. A pedal bike would give you the same. The same result as far as spooking deer is concerned. Yep. Okay. The only issues I'm not pedaling six miles back, it would actually, it would actually be harder to write a bike than to walk that six miles because you're going like this. You're probably having to pick your bike up at times to push it up a hill when the ebike, I just, I pedal and then the motor helps me, you know, assist me, the pedal assist, right. I have to disconnect the throttle when I'm on public lane because then it becomes a higher class of bike and then it's not a, it's considered a motorized vehicle. But when you disconnect the throttle, then it becomes a bicycle. And so as long as you are putting in effort, then the motor kicks in, you're still putting in the effort and then under the law, it's still considered a pedal, a pedal type bike, so whatever. Yeah. And I, for me, I would go spend 200 bucks on accessories to deck out my mountain bike. Like, then, and I could do that 10 times to equal that three grand, right. You know, so that's where my head was at. Right. Full disclosure, I also have a really good friend who works at the ebike company that I bought it from, and so I got a 50% employee discount. So there's that too, right. Yeah. So there's that. So anyway, I'm telling you, it's, it's, I used to be that guy years ago, we're like, I'd see, I'd see an advertisement for an ebike. I'm like, who the hell can afford an ebike at the 20 late 20s or really 30s year old version of me. And now the benefits of it are huge. So the downfall, not cheap, the upfall, everything. So I just have to make sure I don't get too fat so that I can, I don't break the weight limit on it, things like that. So other than that, any other tips, tricks, tactics, thoughts about gear. No, I'm just going to reiterate just, you know, the confidence, find stuff that you have confidence. And then, for instance, like, I have a release I've been shooting for 13 years. Yeah. And everybody else is shooting these nice thumb buttons and back tensions. Mine literally is a true fire, like hardcore buckle foldback. And that thing is dependable. Yeah. Like, it's, it's stuff like that. It's not sexy by any means. You, you, you walk up to a line. You're shooting next to guys at a 3D course. They're going to look at you. Like, why aren't you shooting the aluminum UV, like, shoot it self-release. Well, because I don't need to spend $800 at least. And this will work fine. Yeah. So use find out what is, you know, best for your confidence. Get stuff that simplifies it for you and have fun. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right, my man. Well, appreciate another talk here on the fall sessions. Man, I really appreciate you taking time out of your day to do this. And I guess we'll talk to you next time. Sounds good, Dan. Yeah.