Break It Down - Paul Wight, ALL IN, CM Punk & More

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Every day's been mail-shotted, you know, people can discuss it, we can explain the decisions, have days where it was happening, blah, blah, blah, blah. Whereas Denise's thing was, she decided to put her full clip, which was like 10, 15 minutes or whatever, but the teaser on Twitter was the very right thing. And I think she then got absolutely pelted. I then didn't get pelted as much, but there was a lot of people going on. You're going to be angry at Denise, you're going to be angry at Kenny Macintosh. And so, yeah, I mean, you, I mean, you're a nice book afterwards and it's like, I mean, if you do this interview in gig, whether you call yourself a journalist, whether you don't, I mean, anyone at worth your soul had to ask the question. You had to. You had to. Let me, let me, let me say something. When I was training to be a journalist, journalism gets a lot of fucking worse than that, right? Like people, you know, families could lose children and press will be at their door, right? To like get first reactions and stuff, which sounds terrible, but to believe me, it happens. It does happen. Well, obviously, we're lucky. We're in the sporting round where that's not so common or whatever, but yeah, there are a lot worse situations than what transpired on Friday. I mean, I, I wasn't, I wasn't there in the end because I had something to do at work. It was like a press conference day that I just couldn't avoid because we had low staff. So, but if I was there, I would have asked the question, like, you have to be anything. You know, I saw Denise, actually, while I'm there, I saw her on the Saturday and I said to her that, you know, to be fair, she was actually having it quite well. But I feel sorry for her. As I understand it, Paul White had been clued in by the PRs that he was probably going to be asked the question to prepare for that question. So it was not as if he was caught cold-footed, like a lot of people on Twitter were insisting that he was. And yes, I know he got upset and it's never nice to see that. But I mean, I've totally different circumstances. I've interviewed Lana and she starts crying, right? Over something much more trivial than that, of course. But like, yeah, again, you don't really know what to do because it's not something that you plan for. But it just happens. And I don't think the Bray White question was unfair. It, you know, is it sad and uncomfortable and difficult? Of course it is. Of course it is. But it's, but those same people were a lot of them anyway that complained that, you know, it was unfair to do that. You think, well, like, what would they have said? If you hadn't asked a question, it would have been like, oh, you know, just respectful. I don't know. They would have complained that, you know, how could you ignore something as big and as massive as this? So you can't win, particularly with Twitter this is you can't win. But I think from a journalistic point of view, you absolutely did have to ask the question, especially with Paul White's history with Bray White. And it's just one of those standard, what's the thing? I think for Denise, and you've just said it there for yourself, would you like to do over to ask it in a better way, you know, segue into it better maybe, maybe, right? Like, I know I would have fucked it. I know I would have fucked it. I would have been, I would have been thinking it in my head, oh, I need to make this, yeah, I need to make sure this has a lot of feeling and whatever. And you just, you know, it's very hard to do in the moment. But I do, I do think criticism of actually asking the question is very, very, very harsh. And there's a lot of these people that ask, you know, the journalism game, sadly. You know, we're meant to report news as of interest, public interest, right? And then there was no story bigger than that within that 24 hours. So not sure what people were expected. You ordnance to do, what is it? I mean, to your point of sight, the whole thing. So with me, you know, I don't want to speak for Denise. Denise can't this up to her. What she, you know, and I spoke to her as well and sort of said, look, you know, don't let people get to you. I mean, I said, what you, what you can if you want to, which is what I do is just watch your stuff and go, am I happy with the way I asked something? Yeah. That was right. That would be the only way I would have approached that and said, maybe you want to change or tweak this. And again, not just for Denise for anyone, even for myself, if I'd been in that position, I would have said, am I happy with how that came out? Yeah. And like for me, that's what I said, I wasn't happy with my segue after that. So that's the only thing that if I could go back and change, I would have changed that. But, you know, like I say, I was, I was, I mean, because the thing is, if you think of his bad way, it was my follow up that I was going to do, because I didn't, I thought he was going to be getting this question from everybody and he was going to be fairly prepared and all like that. He did get it from everybody. And he did. Yeah, he did. Alisson, Alisson, I do us from the metric, I was doing as well. So like pretty much of everyone who saw it in that day did it. But like you said, you put the clip on Twitter, and unfortunately, you attract the worst people. But yeah, sorry, Karin. Yeah, no, no, but the follow up that I was going to have to be lighthearted if he was in that space, right? Yeah. I want to say, you know, speaking of you and Bray, there's this crazy story that you were supposed to team with John Cena and Justin Bieber against the Wyatt family at SummerSland 2014, because that might have been a story he wanted to share to kind of go, you know, I wish that had happened. So, Bray and I could have, you know, reminisced about it or whatever. You know, like that was kind of, but obviously once he started trying, I was not going to fucking go, well, in that time, you and Justin Bieber were supposed to get together. Like I wasn't going to go down that route at that point. But he thought you were going to get him in the Bieber mood, did you? Well, no, because I could look, I've, I've spoken to wrestlers before about people who have, who've passed away and stuff. And like a lot of them, a lot of them do tend to be, you know, looking back fondly and kind of, they put, you know, they played the game because they all know, I mean, he knew that when he walked in, he was giving us the question, but it's funny. I was talking to somebody over the weekend who also worked in journalism and they had said, you know, in two years, but it was like, you know, there are, there are a lot worse ways that this happens. And like one of the examples was, you know, some TV shows or some news shows will have like a family member of somebody who's died and we'll sort of say things like, you know, what would you say to them through, you know, like things to try and get them to try? Yeah, specifically. It's like, and I mean, that's also a job that somebody who does that takes it, that's their call. It's not something I want to do. But yeah, it's funny because I, I initially read the comments at the beginning and then I was like, it's, it's not worth it. I'm just not going to do it. And I spoke to enough people that I trusted who said, you know, I think it's, like my other half actually said, you know, in Barbara Walters, when they asked that question, she's speaking to a big show. Yeah. You're right. So, but yeah, you'll hear at the end. You can, you know, tweet the story. Yeah, you can pick the bones yourself. I mean, on that note, we were speaking to Paul Whitehead of all in. Let's move along to the car that we were both at the weekend. The biggest car in wrestling history, as Tony Car mentioned, some 300 times in the post, post match presser. But he's not wrong. 8155 people, Wembley Stadium and for my money, the show of the year, that's far dare I say. I enjoyed it from top to bottom. Kenny, what are your initial thoughts coming out of this gargantuan show in England's capital? Yeah, I thought it was a great show. I'm sure of the year maybe. I mean, it's definitely EW sure. It's in the conversation. Yeah, but it's in the conversation. Yeah, for sure. What would we say is the outright winner if otherwise? Um, I think backlash is very high up in the last week on, yeah, that's what we call on. That's a great show. My money, the bank was great. But, you know, I don't know, I felt like this had thought for a, how long was it in the end? It's like four and a bit out. I mean, with the pre-check that five hours, right? Like, from top to bottom, I was entertained. I really was. There wasn't really a match where I was like, oh, yeah, this isn't good. Yeah, I mean, to me, it was the best past EW show they've ever done. Oh, by a mile. Um, no, obviously, you know, the fact that they got the elite at the way in matches two and three was great for me. Because then I could just like relax a little bit. But I mean, there was part of the thought, you know, Kenny Omega on the Wembley Stadium show pinned in a multi-man match with a rope. I mean, you can't make up. Um, but I mean, apart from that, I think that was the only match. And it was good. It was still good as a match, but I didn't care about it. There was nothing about that match that I cared about. But, um, you know, I know a lot of people did. So it's not all, it's not all to cater to me specifically. But no, I thought this show built really well. I thought the order of the card was spot on, but the women overdelivered, um, from what I think people thought it was going to be. Yeah. Seria's mum taking the best bump of all time. We should get hit by Tony Storm and actually, she'd been shot with a gun in the head. That was great. She was playing, she was playing Bruce Hart. She knew, yeah, I was about to say she knew it was her moment, didn't she? She was like singing a scene. Yeah. Um, and pumpkin Joe was a great opener. I thought pumpkin Joe was really good. It was, I mean, it was 14 minutes and I flew by. It flew by. It seemed like a really quick opener, I thought. Yeah. Um, but it was great. Like, obviously, their chemistry is, is so incredible. But, um, you know, I know you're not the biggest youngbacks fan, but I thought the closing five to ten minutes of that match were exceptionally good. Yeah, I thought it was the best. It was my favorite boxing FTR match they'd done of the three. Me too. Me too. It felt like a, I feel like this, people are like, oh, why you compared it? It felt like a WrestleMania match. Like, it felt like, you know, you were getting like a stadium big fan view. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I think I, I hope the box did great on that match. I didn't realize that their gear was a Freddie Mercury inspired from when Freddie Mercury played Wembley, which was a great touch. Yeah, that's very good. I actually watched BT this week. So there you go. Look at me. Look at you. Yeah. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm an elite snack. It's converted. I don't know if I'd go that far. But, uh, no, but it was, it, it was funny because I was talking to Robert Duffin who I obviously started ITR West and we do the collision podcast and Patreon together. And, um, and after the show, he was just like, do you know what? I can't, I can't believe that people are, you know, saying that this punk backstage thing overshadow it because he was like, what is better than a great wrestling show with some juicy backstage drama to also sell it over? You know, it's like, it's a rough gift. He's not wrong. Let's get into that. Um, let's, so the pre show, right, it has a better than you, baby, Adam Khan MJ, if they, they win the ring of on the tag team titles, then hook, defeats Jack Perry. And there's a spot in the beginning of that match because Jack Perry arrives in like a limo, which, funnily enough, on my way out of the arena, I walked right past. It had, and obviously the windscreen has like, done in from, from the, the bump. And the history here is on collision a couple of weeks ago, CM Punk basically told Jack Perry that he couldn't do a spot with real glass. Um, A, because it's dangerous and B, because he felt like Jack Perry was just trying to get out coming to work the next week. When it turns out, Jack Perry already had some pre-approved holiday, apparently. Um, so that's the whole thing. He takes the bump here at Wembley, a real windscreen, apparently. Um, and then Jack Perry obviously can't help, but make a comment about this in passing CM Punk backstage. So CM Punk, this, you know, this is the thing. Jack Perry, last match on the pre show, CM Punk, Samojo, first match on the actual show. So they are like passing each other. Um, and this is allegedly, you know, fight for the, with the ones to really break this. And I saw Sean in the press boxes going off. It was, it was crazy. And, uh, basically, as CM Punk is going out, right? Like, as he's about to go through the curve, this altercation is going down on it. And, you know, I'm sure you've read Kenny, there's different versions of what we see, but we, we, we, we should, I mean, the, the basically just as you know, Perry decides to say on camera off script. Yes. Bill Glass, Crimea rubber. That's what he chose to do. Now, can you imagine if any metal level Gibroni did this to the rock or Steve Austin or Hulk Hogan, they'd be fired on the fucking spot. But this guy decided he could do this. And then what Torin can actually done immediately was either him or somebody who's very close to him. As soon as that piece of camera happens, go over to Punk and go, Jack Perry is going to be suspended for this. He is going to be punished for this off script moment, but we need you to not do anything. We just not engage in any way, shape or form. But that didn't happen again. So then, obviously, he comes through and Punk tries to do a problem with me. And he said, I can't know the exact word, but it's like a variation of like, I said what I said. So you've goaded punk at that point to kind of, it's going to go further. And now we've got CM Punk not on the Chicago all outcard suspended because Jack Perry was in a huff because he was told by a veteran that he shouldn't use real glass because it's fucking dumb. Which by the way, not the end of there, sounds like it is pretty dumb. If you can not do that, why would you? And it's like, I just, you know, I try very hard to not take season stuff, but like, they're all this for Jack Perry going off script. I really can't tell how you feel about Jack Perry. Like, just get rid of the game. My god, like, it's just, it's the fact that he's able to get away with it, but get away with this. And then Tony can. Is one of the pillars, though, Kenny? No, he's not. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, from a Tony Khan perspective, right? One of his pillars, one of his shining lights. And you got to remember, like, the table's kind of been set here. Like Tony never sorted out the CM Punk Youngbuck's beef, right? So anybody that is by proxy or even remotely friendly with the youngbucks may well have problems with CM Punk. Like, like, the battle lines have been drawn because Tony has never sorted it out, right? And just put it back. And with that comes a lot of inherent beefs or, you know, carry over problems, you know, it's like in school, like, you don't like that person, like, I don't like him. I'm like, there's a lot of that. There's going to be. And I get all that. But my point is CM Punk, one of the biggest stars in the company, Chicago this week, yeah, a big week. A big week that they needed him. And he's now not there because Jack Perry was allowed to go off script on TV in response to when he was told to not do something which was correct. And it's like, what are we doing here? What like? My one of my main things of CM Punk. And again, do not know CM Punk. Let me be very clear about that. But I've been a big fan of his work, his whole career. It seems a difficult bloke, right? Just just just outside the ring, just if we're going by what everyone else reports and says, which is obviously something you shouldn't do verbatim. But, you know, we're out of smoke, there's a lot of smoke behind it. It's a tricky thing, right? Where you're, he is named value and ratings and stuff like that. Probably the biggest player, A.W. has, but with his arrival in A.W., which we thought was like a save you's return. And we were all delighted to see this fairy tale reunion of CM Punk and professional wrestling. It's just had problems every step of the way. Now, why is that? You can't, I can't sit here and say it's all down to CM Punk. But like, this is an endless river of problems now that Tony Khan doesn't seem to have any firmer class on how to fix, right? It is just going and going. And every week we've got something to do. The CM Punk sending people home to me was like, Jesus Christ, like, what is going on at this point? Here is maybe the first time where I'm like, ah, it seems like Jack Perry has made the problem. It's 100%. Like, this is the only time where every other one you could say Punk had a hand. But like, but that's one it's like, so, so number one, Jack, so apparently according to Fightful as well, I'm sure it was Fightful. And Jack Perry was was going around telling people he was going to make this comment backstage. So he's Billy Big Boss for some strange reason that thinks he can just do it once. And then they decide to like put him on, like put him on then Punk straight after him, like before any of them happens. Then they don't do anything with because I'll guarantee you, if this if this was 1999 and Val Venus made a comment about Steve Austin, do you think Val Venus, do you think, and then backstage Val Venus said, I stand by Steve Austin Pie face, I think Steve Austin will be sitting on the throne next week. And Val Venus, no chance. Steve Austin will be bringing the hells down. Exactly. Because it's a fucking business. My God. I mean, it's just wild. It's wild. And it's like, so now we're two days away as we record this from what looks to be the least interest and impactful AWP of you ever. Because the card is not as fun as Friday together, isn't it, Christ? And then the only thing that was going to be good was Punk and Starks. And now Starks, you know, momentum is still, because he's got a Ricky Steamboat. Ricky Steamboat. No, there's a part in my brain that's hopeful. I don't think Ricky Steamboats have the strat match on Sunday. So I think somebody's interfering to face Starks. I hope it's Punk. Yeah, to me it's just like, this would be the equivalent of losing Steve Austin because of obvious. That is what messes. And it's, I mean, I've got to assume you're right. And yes, like CM Punk will make the surprise, you know, when his music hits in Chicago, it'd be crazy. I just have to, I have to hope that. Because you look at the rest of the card. I mean, I may go into Kesko, it actually will be Booby class. And Moxley and Cassidy will probably be class three fair. But like, the rest of it, they really are just kind of going, well, you know, if this person wasn't on the, you know, they're really, again, this person wasn't on the last show, this person. I'm looking at Mirror Powerhouse Hobbs and thinking that can be quite cool. But again, they've only got one women's matchup. Well, they've got Starlander and Soho for the TBS Championship. They only had one or, you know, there's a four-way all out. I almost said his Monae was there and that's kind of the big deal that Tony Cohen can't wait to unleash, but, you know, she's injured, so, you know, you know, when that's going to happen. I see the criticisms of that from Twitter. And I've got to say, some of it's quite valid. Like, one matchup. I know we're missing Jade Cargill who I can't wait to come back, basically. But, oh, man, one matchup. And Starlander Soho to me is not, you know, I know they beat each other up a little bit. It's not the hottest one, either. Even like Omega to Keshta, terribly built. Yeah. Well, yeah, for this, you're really expected to be just now, would you? Some more Joe Shane Taylor. What? It's been chucked on there, right? Eight-man tag with FTR on the box. I mean, the only way that that will be a source of Twitter suggestion as I've thoroughly stand by it. In fact, if the box with that bell rings, super kick FTR and walk out, that'd be great. That will do it to that. I mean, Adam Cohen, MGS, will be defending their tag team tag. Soho Koda. Dark Order. I mean, no offense to Alex Reynolds and John Silver, but they've not been possession to be in the spot. I love John Silver. And I honestly, I've barely seen him for the past like six months. Don't know where he's been, what he's been doing. It's just such a wet, you know, wet and better cardboard. But I think like with any rest, you know, WWE event, I'm not recently to be fair, but this is going to cost people $50 or something about it. Oh, I don't know about that. I don't know if I'd pay that. But I know that watching this show, there will be matches, like I said, we mentioned them earlier. There's like three or four matches there, I think, yeah, they'll be great. But I don't know if I'd part with $50 and four hours of my time. Yeah, and you're talking what 20 quads, if it's in Europe. I think that's what it's like, you've got to cost those 20 quads or $50. I mean, in the beginning to your point earlier, all in was just this like amazing show that was like one of the shows of the year. And we're following up with sort of no emotional grab. You know, the most emotional grab is Cassidy and Moxley because they've done a really good job of building that up and Cassidy got a really good promo on Wednesday. So there's that. But Yeah, I felt all in had everything really. Like, like I said, I know there were people that said, you know, maybe you should have done Omega and Takeshka there. Do you know what that looks like? That's car looks like if EW presented an selection over a billion. It would have been like the other way around, right? Like all in should have been all out. Yeah. And like the car we're getting Sunday is the sort of one they would have brought to the UK. I said, look, there you go. Be grateful. Well, I just thought, if this is the plan of Conor Tony Khan said at the press or that he wants, or the scrum that he wants to. I mean, you almost, you almost hope, if this is the car, you almost hope it does a fairly bad by it as a message that like, this is not sure good enough. But with EW, whenever there's a paper review that you think, ah, it's not as good, it still goes well. So I mean, it needs punk. To be fair, I do understand the logic of I want to own two bank holiday weekends and the two biggest markets like, okay, I get that. But I think what he will take from this is obviously a lot of energy and, ah, I don't want to say a lot of time because I actually thought the build for all it wasn't great. But, you know, eventually that show was awesome. The card was good. He got there without really thinking, would I do the next week? And I think he'll have to take lessons from that. I think the Tony Khan probably would be the first to say that. Like, plotting two huge shows within two weeks. It's not really done in the wrestling business. And we can see why, I think. Yeah. Well, you know, we'll see. I don't think there's a list to give on it. I mean, it's just a hot punk's back tomorrow night, a collision. And yeah, I mean, I'm sure. Yeah, let's fuck some up backstage. I'm not sure why he would be suspended. Also, Tony cat likes the investigation. Then you were there. You saw it. Yeah. The room happened in front of you. Where? Where? Where are you? Yeah. These are the times where the scene nine in nine ways at a 10. I'm very glad that Tony Khan is not a Vince McMahon. Very glad. Because he, you know, by all accounts, he's used to be a nice guy to work for. He's got the best of intentions. He's done a lot of kind acts in a lot of ways. But like, I'd love to see what Vince were done in that reaction, in that situation. I mean, it would have been sorted in five minutes. You would not have needed anything else. Because there's no way of Jack Perry worked for Vince McMahon. He'd have done that and got away. No chance. And I expected to do that. Let's live. Basically, you know, P 45 before you can even get to your locker room would be there probably, but yeah, I mean, you made a really good point earlier, but it's like unless they start sort of making it a scenario where there's, there's consequences to doing something like this, then the only, let me say something to the Jack Perry that's not as bad as what I have said about him. The only thing I can sort of understand is that he is in a company where everybody tends to just take shots and do stuff and get away with it. So his mind, he's maybe thinking, well, I'll just do the same. Good business. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, Jack Perry could do an angle with CM Punk. Maybe that's it. I don't know. Yeah, he's thinking he comes from real heat brother brother. I don't know, he's going today. We have both. He's Christ. All right, enough of us rambling. Allow us to give you the poor white interview that we so heavily foreshadowed at the beginning of this podcast. You know, WWE Payback is this weekend. It's worth noting. So, you know, very interested to see if Becky and Trish actually get to deliver what they were postponed from SummerSlam doing. So very anyway, all eyes on that basically, but otherwise the card is, you know, Rollins and Nakamura and, you know, by the by. Kenny, go anything you want to promote that's coming up, people need to know about. You can pick up the new issue. The mag incident was magazine.com, Mr McCarty is in there. I'm in there. I'm right about Dominic Mysterio. Get in there. Get in there. Very dumb. Very dumb. I'm in there. I'm in there. I'm in Adam Cole. I've been in before all in and it still stands as an interview. So I hope that you'll check that out. Yeah, I would encourage people to check that out. And apart from that, just, you know, people get enough to do this. We can't have them set more to more pay per views. So I won't talk about anything else. I mean, you can find all of our interviews and the post Matt scrum that we were talking about actually on inside the Robes YouTube channel that is on YouTube inside the ropes. Make sure you check it out. Until then, I've been at some coffee, he's Kenny Macintosh and please enjoy pool white. We're back here with the one and only Mr. Paul White, large and in charge. Well, yeah, I'm definitely large and in charge with a small furniture. I'm good. Obviously, we're over here for, you know, this massive show all in at Wembley Stadium. Did you think that we'd get to a point where EW didn't Wembley Simpson? No, it's funny. One of my first meetings with Tony Khan. Actually, we were talking about my contract and what I wanted to do with AEW and what he wanted for me. I said, listen, one of the things we have to do, we have to get into UK market. It's good for our younger talent to experience this environment. And I remember at the time I was pushing for O2 Arena. Like, again, the O2 Arena, it's a different environment. The guys in Gauss are going to learn so much about their characters that craft how to perform just being in this crowd. And I remember Tony being very excited about it. But then again, being a billionaire, instead of O2, he goes to Wembley Stadium. So it's like, all right, man, I said that you came. Wow, okay. It's a just incredible achievement for AEW this early in the game. I'm really proud of AEW, proud of what Tony Khan's done, proud of our talent. Because this is a show that was sold out on brand alone in the beginning, pretty much most 85% of tickets were sold just on brand alone. AEW is coming. Bam, tickets went out. So that's a hell of a hell of a draw. You know, when you sang with AEW, you think a lot of people were surprised because they probably saw you as a WWE lifer, rather than going to AEW. I guess, you know, people are very curious what Vince McMahon's reaction would be to you when you came to AEW. What was that like? Was there a conversation when you joined? Yeah, I actually got a phone call that day from Vince and Kevin Dunn, who I have a great relationship with both of them and Vince. Wish me a lot of luck. New for a fact that the experience that I've had and the things that I've been through, I'd be a great asset for AEW and I will help the brand out a lot. And I've known Vince, I mean, I grew up on Vince. I mean, Vince, my first media training was with Vince personally. So I know that Vince is somebody that respects gumption. He respects people that take chances. And I'm not one that was going to sit around on my ass where I was before and ride on my tenure or any of that crap. Like, I'm hungry and I like to build and I like to create and I like to be a part of something. That's the hunger and the energy. So I saw a great opportunity of what AEW was doing to be involved and help build something. And I think that's what attracted me the most about AEW. It was that opportunity to see something grow mainly from my love for the business. I want the business, the industry to be better. I want more diversity of product for the fans because competition is good for everyone. And I think the relationship I have with Vince and Kevin, they understood what I was doing and why I was doing it. You know, I'm a hungry old timer. Well, it's funny because Matt Hardy did interview recently and he talked about how if he'd stuck with WWE, he'd probably have to be a producer about that, probably the role. Is that kind of what the role was going to be for you, had you stayed? Well, yeah, like I know that they talked me about being a producer and I told Vince if he wanted me to, you know, bash my head in with a hammer, make me a producer. I don't consider myself a producer because I consider someone that can give some inside advice, but I can't go out and tell a regular size talent what to do. It's not my thing. They have to interpret their own character. Now, when it comes to giants, sure, I have a little bit more insight on character presence and whatnot. You know, my thing that I wanted to do was more stick my toes a little bit in the commentary. End of it was Tony Kong gave me that opportunity and compete a little bit more. Find talents that I can work with and help with time in the ring. I think I'm a better teacher in the ring working with someone. I'm not quite the teacher that like a Billy Gunn is. Now, when you talk about teachers, Billy Gunn is one of the most incredible, mechanically sound teachers I've ever been around in my life. Like this guy was, was born to instruct people on how to do things properly. So, for me, it was just finding them where I was most comfortable and felt like I could contribute the most. So, and I didn't want to roll into the just the ambassador role or a producer. That's not my gig yet. Maybe later, with AEW, maybe I'll roll into that producer role, but not right now. And you know, you know, Vince, maybe better than any of you. You worked them for so long. What do you think he thinks about AEW selling, you know, over 85,000 tickets at Wembley? Oh, well, I think he's pissed. I think he's absolutely pissed, but he's pissed in a good way because he's the type that like, oh, okay, he likes competition. He likes that challenge. Vince is very much animal of the jungle type mentality. So, if I think Vince is a guy that thrives on competition, thrives on doing new things, thrives on being the best in his mind at what he does. So, when, you know, competition steps up, that fires Vince up more than anything. The worst thing that can happen to Vincent Mann is to be bored monotonous. You know, if he's got competition, it fires him up to be better. Which is a win for the fans because, you know, they'll get a better product and it's good for us because we produce a better product, too. So, competition is good. I do want to ask you, obviously, you know, the rest of the mode today is very side of it, the Bray Wyatt situation from last time for hours. I know you worked with him quite a bit, you know, can you give any sort of comment? It's a horrible situation, but can you give any kind of memories of working with him that you could share, or, you know, some of the good times you had with him? I'll be real. Real honest about it. I'm still kind of numb from it. When I think of Bray, all I think about is laugh and his smile and how, no matter what we're doing, how excited he was to see me and give me a hug. And it doesn't feel real right now. But, you know, it's, I've been around a long time and lost a lot of, a lot of good friends. That's just, unfortunately, that's just part of that older. I do want to kind of finish talking about you and talking about Wembley. We're here, obviously. How important is it for you to be on the show this Sunday to, to kind of channel your energy and wrestling? How do you feel? Well, she says that's an end around. I've got a chance to be on the panel, a pre-show panel, which gives me a chance to lend some of my expertise, so to speak, on the matches that people should really be excited about, pay attention to. So, I mean, every match we have on this all-in-card is extremely important. There's a lot of nuances that I can help point out, and that's my job for the panel. So, that's part of being a professional and a pro wrestler. You have to, you have to go forward and push through. I think, once I finally give back home to Tampa, I think a lot of this will settle in. But to be a part of this Wembley show on the panel, to even be here to speak with you all, I'm extremely proud that I can still do that at this stage of my career. Thank you very much.