The Power Slam Podcast - RAW Review, Jericho vs Ospreay & More

If I bleed tonight, if I am said tonight I don't have a job to find And if I were tonight, I'm so tired tonight I'm fall asleep when I'm home When I'm home Hey everybody, welcome to our brand new episode of the PowerSland podcast Here on Patreon a day early, or whenever you get your podcast on Friday My name is Kenny joined as always by Mr. Fenley Martin Fen, how are you this? I was going to say fabulous summer. It's not really a fabulous summer in Scotland Otherwise, I'm sure it's been better than where you are Well, we had that amazing weather in June, didn't we? Where it was just totally boiling And like, wow, this is hot And then it rained all of July I guess it's all right today So it's not too bad. Listen Kenny, there's enough moaning and groaning out there in the world You know, let's not add to it here on this podcast Well, I will remain here that we start talking about EW and all end the few minutes But until then, we obviously want to talk about Raw Because we didn't get a chance to on Tuesday Because we were sort of talking about the punk situation And Smackdown I should mention just for clarity, apparently According to multiple reports, punk had nothing to do with Hangman, Adam Page, not being a collision There has been a story that's come out though that I just didn't want to get your take on Because it made me last So apparently, Jungle Boy, Jack Perry, there was an incident with Perry and CM Punk So I wanted to just kind of tell you about the incident, you point a little bit already And then just get your take So apparently, Punk had recently got into this incident with Jack Perry at Collision So during an early Collision episode in Canada, Perry wanted to use real glass in a backstage segment Where he would be, he would basically take a shot of real glass And Punk immediately sort of pushed back against it and said it was safety hazard People like Tony Shivani would object to it and he shouldn't be using that And they reportedly had an exchange where Punk said something online sort of He could do that and Wednesday if you want, but you're not doing it Saturdays And right after this was put when the company had initiated those guidelines Which included performers cannot use real glass without receiving permission from the office beforehand And Punk had told Jungle Boy that Collision doesn't have segments of that ilk And advised them to stay on dynamite if he had a problem with it And Punk's side said that Jack Perry took his hand from Jack Perry's side are saying that Punk was aggressive to him And the planned glass spot was also objected to by doctors I mean, in this one, no matter what I say you hit, it's hard to not agree with Punk on that one at least That the real glass was a dumb idea Well, of course it was a real idea Of course it was a really idiotic idea And like, how was it even suggested? How did it even reach the point where an argument was possible? There should have been shut down long before then Like long before It shouldn't have even got to the point where there was any discussion about it No, you cannot use glass the end Yeah Well, because I think one of the kind of rumored stories was that he wanted to use glass The real glass because I mean, this sounds like I'm making this up It's going back to our Tesco analogy from the other day of me working on the tells and you've been in the back But Perry wanted the next week off So he thought if he used the glass I'm like, surely if you need a week off or something, you can just say Can I have this date off? Because I've got this thing on and I need to go to Like, surely Surely you can do that rather Just for a genuine injury So you could have the next week off Is that right? Yeah, that's one of the stories I mean, if that doesn't just sum up the current state of this company I don't know what does I mean, it's just like, you can't do that I'm just going to suffer deliberately injure myself So that I have next week off Is it what it wants to the beach or the theme park or You know, go skiing or whatever he had planned Probably not skiing in the middle of summer But you know what I mean I don't know Well, I mean, I'm not here to be like WWE is amazing and AEW is terrible I'm not saying it to be like that But I think one thing that WWE does do a little bit better than AEW The AEW you need to get a grip on is There's so many stories that are coming out All the time You know, and the thing about Hangman Adam Page Whether it was punks doing or not That he was uninvited or unbooked However you want to phrase it at the collision event He was obviously linked to this, wasn't he? Yeah Because it was because he was there That Hangman Adam Page was then said Was then told not to go there So whether he caused it or not He was the reason it happened Yeah, and then it's like, you know, because then the PWN Said had reported that in actuality Page was never meant to be at the collision building He was always going to be going to do the pre-tip somewhere else So if that's the case All this stuff is leaked That's just caused this unnecessary drama About this situation When you get five other ones that have leaked Or whatever And it's like You know, I don't know who leaks information Or who doesn't But At least in WWE There is information at leaks We know that, we see all the time But there's really specific You know Very rarely when you get Gunther is really upset With Nakamura over the backstage And if that happened Very rarely did anything like that You know They know that if they did it That WWE would really track down on Those things coming out They would not be pleased about it It's AW has to get the same Because otherwise It just feels like this company that Everybody's You know, because I was moxley Even said moxley had said And when he was on René Piquet's podcast a couple of months ago And he said, I can't believe he's at line But it was roughly You know, I've worked in the end days I've worked in WWE And I've never seen so much Bill Shit Drama In my life As I have And he loves being an AW So it's not like he's some of these Wanting to bash the company And that he's always championing them And even he's in that So it's not great No, it's not I mean, so anyway Did you finish the story about Jack Perry and the glass? Yes, that's the end of the story Right, okay So, I mean, firstly If If real glass is banned on collision or in a WWE without special permission And he hadn't received special permission Then that's where This saga should not have developed into a saga Yeah You know, if he made that suggestion I would like To use real glass in this angle And know you have to receive special permission Dispensation or whatever you call it In order for you to use real glass That has not arrived That has not been forthcoming That he's not going to arrive You are not going to receive that The end Why did CM Punk Who we know Jack Perry doesn't like We know this because we saw Jack Perry talking About CM Punk at that fan convention a while ago Yep We know this heat between them because he's You know, in the, you know, linked to Affiliated with a young books camp So there's all, there's acrimony there Isn't there this tension? There's heat, there's problems, there's difficulties So why would CM Punk be chosen To have this discussion when Jack Perry When there's already underlying problems Or maybe not even underlying You're on the surface problems there Why did a member of management step in? You know, why has Punk got involved? You know, I mean, I know Essentially now, Punk is deciding Who does and does not appear at collision But I mean, officially is a member of management yet Kenny, I don't think he is I don't think he is I think it's as simple as they You know, they see this as the CM Punk show So they kind of are keeping him happy Is the message Yes, that's it But I mean, it's just another You know, embarrassment for Tony Khan And the other people, you know, beneath him Or blowing him on the management pecking order Who need to, they just need to There's not discipline there Clearly that this turned into a problem It's like Jack Perry is like Okay, he's FTW champion He's making some headways a heel finally After a really rough start But I mean, he's not a top player He's not a top guy He should not be back in our orders To other people Or arguing with senior members of the roster Or people like Tony Sivanu Supposed to be Tony Khan's right hand man I mean, where's the discipline? You know, where's the chain of command? It's like, it's just falling apart And it's just another example Of the problems that we've been talking about Back to last summer when it all kicked off between You know, hangman and CM Punk And it's never been resolved It needs to be resolved And it doesn't look like it's going to be resolved I mean, it would not surprise me Kenny If there is another almighty blow up In the near future And more people are either leave Or suspended, sent home, fired, or whatever It looks like it's heading in that direction It really does I don't think Tony Khan's got the courage to address this So face this head on Get people in the room together, sort this out You know, impose the discipline that you need in wrestling In order to run a company successfully and smoothly And you know, without all this You know, bother and aggro and hassle And distractions backstage It's just getting in the way It's not surprising anymore now Kenny That's the saddest thing that could My saddest comment on this It just predictable, it just feels normal Yeah, you don't want that to be normalized I mean, I said this in Tuesday and I sort of stand by it If, you know, not every leader is somebody Who is good at being the bad guy But if you're not good at being the bad guy You need to hire somebody to be the bad guy And you need to have them be the And you know, to be all an end all of the law Kind of thing And that's what we need to do I get, you know I mean, if you're Tony Khan, you're paying out as a 7 Tuesday Over $10 million to these five guys You should absolutely be within your right For that money that you're spending to go You only just get, you know, coexist in some way You need to, you need to all get in there You need to all be willing to get in a room You need to all shake hands And you need to not deviate from the agreement And anybody who does deviate from the agreement is fine And the AMD devates from it again is, you know, suspended And then, you know, there's consequences Because otherwise, you just say what you want And, you know, that's more punk side than the other side Because they, to be fair, haven't, you know, bashed him on anything I mean, end verbally, anyway So, yeah, but it's a mess And, Betty, we'll come back to the online card And a bit, but let's talk about Raw from Monday So, we opened the show with the Judgment Day coming out Fend Baller was not there for that segment He came out, you know, they're trying to, they're, they're, they're, you know, rear up Let's talk about, you know, things haven't been going their way recently And priest is saying that, you know, he's got the briefcase So, you know, Fend Baller's going to dominate Codillated on But Baller should be out here saying it himself And, but he says, you know, we're not breaking up But he did say, we're here, where's Fend Baller And then, Jayden and Donna came out So, we started him going back and forth with them And then Sami Zayn comes out to try and get some revenge on like Donna And that was going to kind of set up the, the Sami and JD match next What did you make of the opening segment in terms of continuing this Judgment Day drama that we're getting? Um, yeah, I mean, I thought it was okay I mean, David Priest said that the Judgment Day were not breaking up even though Fend Baller was not there It was stated that he was preparing for his match with Cody Rhodes later in the evening On commentary, that is And, you know, Judgment Day were like, well, why isn't he here? And JD, MacDonald came out, he's Fend Baller's friend And Baller was basically using JD as a mouthpiece And JD, JD told Priest and Real and Dominic Mysterio that they should concentrate on their real enemies Who are Sami Zayn and Cody Rhodes and the others And that led to the Sami Zayn versus JD MacDonald match And we should mention that if Wade Barrett on commentary brought up JD's knowledge of human anatomy So that's followed him into, onto the main roster, that's followed him on to Raw Yeah, oh you know He goes where to hit someone where it hurts Kenny He does, he does Everybody saw it last week with his, uh, his attack on Sami Zayn And I was pretty surprised to see Sami Zayn then wrestling as well Especially with that elbow thing last week, the little brittle Well, he did, yeah, I mean, I was really surprised that he was, that he was in the ring And obviously they got strict procedures in WWE And if he hadn't received medical clearance, then he wouldn't have been in the ring And they obviously said, listen, you can do a match And, you know, it was, it wasn't the best we've seen from Sami Zayn But it's quite a long match with back and forth, he took a lot of bumps I mean, fans got into it, this was MacDonald's biggest match today on the main roster And Zayn pinned MacDonald after the hallelujah of the kicks So I think I was, you know, this was progress for JD Felt Yes, yeah, also I think Sami needed to win as well Because Sami had to take a lot of losses Absolutely, yeah, I mean, it's far too soon for JD to be beaten stars of the magnitude of Sami Zayn Yeah, for sure And elsewhere Chelsea Green basically is courting who her new tag team partner is going to be Rather than them giving up the belts again And, you know, Kaden Kartank's tag chance basically to come in And say they want to challenge Green on the opponent And then Piper Nevin comes in And, you know, it gives Katana chance a but And then she tells Green that she's her new partner And took one of the title belts and kind of didn't give her a choice What do you think of the idea of Piper as the new champ of the cast stills? Well, I've been in about this in the magazine So I just finished what's going down last night 9.52pm So that was another long day just like all times Actually not like all times because it was like all times it would have been 2am And so I mean, I thought this was lame I really did I just thought, is this the best you can do? No, it isn't You could have done better but you don't care about this division anymore I think that's the top and bottom of it I just think WWE is giving up on its tag team, women's tag team championship Which is, yeah real shame Good role for Nevin, she's been on main event, hasn't done anything months So she's back in the frame Yeah, I think there's a lot of other things they could have done Alba fire and Aladon could have been involved in this Chance and Kato who presumably will receive a title match with Green and Nevin I mean, hopefully Kato and Chance will win the belts And maybe they'll get a chance to do something and become regulars I don't know, but you know, the thing that worries me about this Is that I just sense that WWE is just treats these belts as a bit of a joke Yeah And I mean, the thing is, even if Chance and Kato win the titles next week Or whatever, it's like, well, are they going to get a proper run? Because whoever wins it never feels like they're able to do anything with it Yeah They don't really push them I'm very happy with Piper and Nevin, she's doing something I hope that she can break the curse of the belts In some ways, I hope that they have a little run for a while before they lose them And can be built up Because I think Chance agrees very funny And she's a good comedy character So, her Piper, the bodyguard type person could be fun But, you know, they have a bit of a time and effort and so if they want to make it work And the thing is, Green, as well, she's been playing this character for a while now And it needs more depth It's just so lightweight, superficial It's not developed or progressed in any way since she was reintroduced to TV As this current character So, I want to see more from her She's not very good in the ring I think she's, I mean, I'd like to believe that she's going to get better But she's been doing this for a long time now And this is probably as good as it's going to get So, I mean, she, you know, In order to compensate for a mediocre, you know, ring performances This character needs to grow Beyond what we've seen from her so far Is, if she, she's to have any sort of real longevity on raw and not end up on main event Yeah, but I mean, it's so ironic that it's called main event Is it because you know we're near the main event But, I mean, it's called a job available Yeah, job available, 101 I didn't want to ask you about it We've got some dogs for the inevitable good and chat gable match With a promo between them before Gable then It defeats Giovanni Vinci How did you feel about the, about Did they do a good job of making Gable feel like some form of threat to Gunther Or was it to comedic, what did you think? I mean, again, we've talked about this I mean, I can't believe that Gunther is going to lose the bell You know, before he breaks honk, he's record So, I think the match, because it's going to be next week, isn't it? Yeah, so we're going to see that title match next week Yeah, and we saw Gunther be O to see it as well I think they did an okay job I think like you say part of the issue is that They're kind of hampered by what the drew and the drew match was hampered with It's almost something you don't really buy as a chance because of the record So, I mean, as soon as we get to September 11th You know, they set September 11th raw At that point, I think we'll be able to believe that Gunther might lose So, I'm really looking forward to mid-September, actually I mean, I think Gable and Gunther will have a really good match They've had good matches before, the both, you know, exceptional in the ring Know their characters inside out So, I think that match will deliver I mean, Gable versus Vinci, Vinci was okay I mean, Gable won with a chaos theory suplex I mean, Vinci, of course, wasn't going to defeat Gable Because we know that Gable's going to face Gunther next week So, you know, this was kind of a miss match with a very predictable outcome And then when Gunther challenged Otis, we knew exactly who was going to win that match So, it's all very predictable So, you know, once we get to mid-September, hopefully things will become more interesting When it comes to the Imperium crew Yeah, for sure Obviously, we can't talk about everything on Raw But we should talk about the Seth Rollins Nakamura segment Obviously, Nakamura turned on Rawins last week in the main event For this week, there's kind of a set up for them going to have the inevitable title match I was pretty underwhelmed by this, to be honest I mean, it's Nakamura, so, you know, you can't ask for too much But it was okay, but it just kind of... It struck me, you know, we talked about Gunther and Chad Gable And there'd be no chance And I mean, I think there's more chance of Otis getting the pin for Gable And facing Roman Reigns and London all in for AEW Than the days of Nakamura beating Rawlins So... Well, I mean, I've underestimated Nakamura many times this year, Kenny So, I mean, I don't think he's going to defeat Rawlins either But then again, back in April, I thought he was going to be sacked in the next round to layoffs And here he is, challenging Seth Rawlins And so, yeah, I mean, he was okay I mean, you know, Nak's obviously, Nak's got the language barrier, so... You know, it's never that brilliant when he's required to speak I mean, I think Rawlins should have really stepped up and done more here And it was a bit odd, but they shook hands, didn't they? Because like Rawlins, you know, I'm not a difficult guy to find I'm a fine champion, all you have to do is ask And I would have volunteered to defend the title against you You know, put it there, but he didn't say put it there pal But the shook hands, didn't they? Which was there after the heel turn the previous week And then Nakamura laid Rawlins out with a Kinsasha from behind Kinsasha, Kinsasha, Kinsasha Have I pronounced that correctly? Yeah, the Kinsasha, yeah, you do, you have Kinsasha from behind So, I felt Rawlins looked like, you know, a bit of an imbecile, really But naive and foolish So, obviously Nakamura is not going to defeat you now After you made Rawlins look like an idiot But yes, a bit of an old segment, really And a bit of a letdown as well after the heel turn Which I thought was, you know, very well presented And very well executed And, you know, reheated Nakamura to some extent So, yeah, bit of a letdown, really But I think the match Well, I think the match will be pretty good when it happens I think the match will deliver, but you're right It's, you know, who believes really that Nak's going to win I mean, no one Yeah, well, I mean, you know, it's like, it's like, you know You give, we give a W a tough time for, you know, some of the build to all in And some of the matches for it So, I mean, with W it's like, you know, you have Nakamura turn on Rawlins Which is meant to be this big moment And then, the follow-up It kind of makes Rawlins look quite dumb Sort of just kind of accept Nakamura's handshake And then also, you know, I know you mentioned the language barrier But, you know, you can ask her who has got the language barrier But she's very dynamic When she does promos and she kind of just Somehow makes it work Where she doesn't really speak English, she'll speak the odd word of English But she's so captivating when she's got the microphone But Nakamura is like You can tell he does not want to do the promos Like, he's just like, you know, I don't speak the language And you just get this vibe from him So, yeah, I think the match will be good But, you know, the build is leaving about to be desired But we'll see Speaking of builds, Becky Lynch and Trish Tratt Obviously, was left off the Summerslam card Then it was announced for this show I think we assumed this was going to be the big main event match But now, I assume it's going to be a payback So, they end up doing a sort of 11 and a half minute match Where they fight to a double count out And they brawl afterwards And they have, you know, they brawl up to like the The match table and they're fighting And then of course Zoe Stark ends up being the catalyst To put in Becky down with the check kick And so, this ended up being more of a settle for something else Rather than the big blow off match, what did you think? Yeah, I mean, we should point out that Zoe Stark was bad From ringside during the match So, she only appeared when they were in the con course Near the fight, near the merch table Or the merch stand I mean, I thought it was okay I mean, Stratus, I've used that word, okay A few times in this room I need to develop and extend And, you know, my vocabulary is just... I think, maybe I wore myself out on the magazine, Kenny Hopefully I haven't Maybe there's just a lot of stuff this week that has not penetrated your mind to be more exciting than okay Maybe that's the problem Yeah, I mean, it was average I mean, it was deliberate, of course We now know this, that it was deliberate Because it was designed to lead to another match, the cage match When Adam Pearce, your confronted Trish Stratus And Zoe start backstage and said, listen, you're going to face Becky again There'll be no running away this time There'll be no countouts, this match will be in a cage So, hopefully it will be a payback I think that does seem like You know, a fitting destination or fitting event On which this feud should end Yeah So, I mean, yeah, it was an average match I think the post-match brawl Saved it to an extent I mean, they were counting out as they fought over the barrier Then they fought up through the crowd And up the stairs And into the, you know, concourse area And in the merchandise stand and continue to a world stack turned up And they laid Becky Lynch out And then afterwards, Stratus and Stratus and Strat were Celebrating, you know, their plan and their plots That they'd hatched to lay Becky out And, you know, Trish was acting like That was it, the feud was over There was going to be normal matches between them And they'd kind of got the last laugh And then Adam Pearce said, no, there will be a cage match between You Trish and Becky Lynch didn't say when But yeah, we assume it's going to be a payback So, it was, I mean, it was, I guess you could call it a means to an end I mean, we thought it was going to be the big blow off in this climactic match And it wasn't And if you have fan of these two Lynch and Stratus You know, maybe you'll be, you know, elated That this feud is continuing And they're going to have an even bigger match in a cage at a later date Yeah, I mean, if it feels bigger than the Rollins-Nacka-Mutter match So, I think, I think people just have that slightly serotonous in their match with SummerSlam But I think if the cage match delivers And Ezzel and Payback, what it probably should be I think they can deliver something that people will see as memorable and worth the wait So, hopefully they do I mean, we've only got two more episodes of Raw, haven't we? Before Payback So, you did, I mean, if it was going to be next week They would have announced it I can't imagine they're going to help, they're going to hold a match of this magnitude On the Raw, the week before Payback No, and like you said, Adam Pearce told Trish and Zoe that You know, there's direct cage match against Becky But it wasn't nice when that would be So, we should hopefully find that in the next week And then the main of it was Cody Rhodes versus Finn Baller There was another backstage statement with Finn Baller Can I get in between Priest and McDonald again? And then the end here, you know, kind of someone to before The briefcase ended up being involved I mean, the spot where Priest tries to pass the briefcase to Baller And then it encodes these stops It was a great spot to be sure It looked great, it looked tremendous, didn't he? Shoved it, I mean, I'd be most of practiceed it I mean, and that's a big precious spot, isn't it? To get it right You think, well, that'd be dead easy But you've got to shove it, you know, it's got to go through and to go between Baller's legs And then Baller had to pretend to not catch it And then Cody caught it, clobbered Finn with it and scored the pin So, at least Baller was protected on the pin I mean, it was another loss for Baller, wasn't it? It was after Priest's interference had backfired Yes, exactly So, and I thought the native it was really good, I thought it was fun You know, Cody's so over in this role And Baller is doing great work The judgment day stuff is really fun Afterwards, we had the judgment day beaten down Cody Then Sammy's income's up with a chair And then of course, JD McDonald appears, he takes out Sammy And Cody, and it goes on and on and on But we should point out at this point, Kenny, the priest and Ripley and Dominic Mysterio Reluctant to have JD around But it was very helpful to them here in this post-match brawl Had he not shown up, maybe they wouldn't have got the better of the baby faces Yes, so that's kind of the pushpill, right? I mean, I will say this I don't know if McDonald is 100% working for me in the role yet But I get what they're going for And maybe you know, sometimes when somebody is putting a role That's way bigger than you thought they would be in It just takes a bit of time for them to feel like they feel natural They feel a part of it I don't feel like I'm there yet with them But I'm willing to go with it Because I get what they're trying to do Yeah, I mean, I was not really a fan of his at first in NXT UK And he did grow on me as a performer And I thought he seemed totally in order his head When he got to NXT America But he ended up getting over there and doing well And really proving himself in the ring And as a character So, I mean, this is a big step up But I mean, he's got people around him that are rooting for him And I think he's a talented wrestler And there was a response to him in the match with Zane at the beginning of the show So, you know, I think he's going to be all right I think he's probably going to do well And this was a heck of a post-match beat down by the judgement day I mean, priest ended up raising Zane through the announce table And these guys found Cody So, I mean, the judgement day stood tall at the end So, I mean, I think they needed that after Baller had lost again Yeah, the dynamic of Damien Priest and Fern Baller hugging With like Mick Donner kind of looking on But not like being in with them So, you know, they're leading you down a path And yeah, hopefully I mean, I don't know what the end goal should be I mean, I would like to see the judgement day thing keep going for months And have twists and turns But we'll see how they do it I mean, you got a figure that priest Will be successful when he cashes in on Seth Rollins Yes I think he has to be, doesn't he? Yeah, you know, I don't think you're putting this much time and effort into somebody to have them lose No Just doesn't strike me So, that was raw, I didn't want to ask you before we go So, I was watching So, we'll take a little bit of a dynamic before we go So, obviously they're all in cards I'm just going to ram through it very quickly This is the card that we've got M.G.F. Adam Cole for the World title Will Osprey versus Chris Jericho At 12 man's stadium, Stan Piedmatch With Eddie Kingston, Orange Castate, best friend's and literature brothers Against the Black Hole Combat Club And three mystery partners A sex man tag with The Bushy Omega and Highman Page Against the Keshta and Billock Club Gold Just Robinson and Jay White Derby Allen and Stan against A.R. Fox and Swerve Strickland And attacking Coffin Match Who carries Shida at Tony's dorms to Rhea And Britt Baker in a four-way match for the women's title And F.T.R. versus the Bucks for the tag titles And then obviously the M.G.F. Cole Osprey off the match on the pre-show So, there's a lot of multi-person matches on the show A lot of tags, a lot of whatever But I've seen some things in the dynamic last night You've seen some things I just want to talk about what I saw And I was really, I was scratching my head a little bit So, in this storyline And I want you to try and see if you make sense to this for me, Stan So, Dorne Callis was courted in Chris Jericho Right? Because he won't, you know, they've got a long history Bad news, Browns looking over them from heaven, whatever I mean, this is why the Jericho Appreciation Society He's split up because Jericho was hanging out with Dorne Callis, right? Yeah! And then the other match didn't they? And yeah, he teed to be Sammy Guevara, wasn't it? Exactly, yeah, so that's the whole story is Callis is trying to court Jericho Jericho is trying to say what he's going to do Whether he's going to stay with the Appreciation Society But then he kind of takes that cheating pinfall When over Garcia And also agreed to the match against Garcia And Sammy who had in his crew Which I don't really know why he did that So anyway, then I lead to that big segment The Jericho Appreciation Society All kind of tell Jericho what they think of them And to span, which is actually a really good segment Where they all got to tell them what they thought of them And then Jericho said to me, Callis, last week I'm going to, you know, next week Basically, he didn't say it, but he indicated Next week I'm going to join Next week I'm joining your family So then we have the segment last night Where Callis is in the ring Jericho is there Jericho then agrees to join Callis's family So they hug and Jericho and But Callis was quite surprised That Jericho has agreed to this So he actually... Self doesn't really make any sense, does it? Which doesn't make any sense because He's already basically said he's joined you And he's ditched all of his pals Yeah So then... Well, hey Tim, apart from Sammy who's You know, doesn't really know what you know Chris, if you get your act together Then maybe I'll be back But he walked off anyway, didn't he? But he walked off anyway So then Callis and Jericho then embraced Because they're together And then they're going to leave Because Callis said, oh, let's go to the bar But then there's a... Random painting in the corner of the ring Which hasn't been referenced before And Jericho wants to know what it is And he's like, is this another painting Because there's a one before With bad news looking down on this in heaven And Jericho goes over and takes the... The cloth off And the painting is Don Callis holding Jericho The capitated bed Which I guess indicates he thought That Jericho was going to say no And Jericho's like, so you want to kill me? Then we'll all spray attack Jericho From behind And leave them bloody and lay in Which is going to set up at Wembley in the UK in England A heel-will osprey against the babyface Chris Jericho Yeah I mean, SMS? Why would Callis... Why would Callis have a painting commission Of Jericho's the capitated head And have it in the ring for the segment Where he's going to potentially say yes to you That's it And it's giving every indication Especially now that J.A.S. is history What else is Jericho going to do? He's, you know, homeless He needs Don Callis And why would Don think that Jericho Was not going to team up with him? And I know, I know in wrestling You know it's like in wrestling You have to have a... You have to kind of suspended this police in some ways Right? You have to kind of accept things in wrestling But like, you should always be able to In a sunny dream You have to rationalize it in some way, don't you? Yes, yes Yeah, exactly And I just can't seem to rationalize it And also, Osprey's going to get cheered Because it's in England, where he's from He's the home-time boy You know, so it feels a bit... But then Jericho's also going to get cheered So what do you do? I mean, I understand why Jericho has been presented as the face Because he's the much bigger star than Osprey Okay, Osprey's big star in Japan But it's not a huge star in the UK No He's like a, you know, marginal player He's an indie guy off of here So I mean, Jericho's huge... You know, he's still got an attitude era Like WWE Fame, and he's been like one of the top people in AEW since its... Creation in 2019 So, you know, even though he's a lot of stuff he's done Has been questionable at best So I do understand why he has been presented As the babyface in this match, I do get that part of it But everything you just described with Don Callis And the painting is... I mean, it's like even Vince Russo That's like, beyond Vince Russo's You know, Scorp of Lunacy Or, you know, non-sensical creative writing I mean, why would Don Callis have done that? And I can't believe Don Callis He's been obviously been around the business decades Been a booker himself many times And there's an intelligent guy I can't believe that he agreed to go along with this Presumably it was his idea I mean, the only thing I can think of Is that there's an element of this Of what was supposed to happen that wasn't approved So that it didn't make as much sense And so I just can't think about why he would... Even if he's going to turn around Like, who would be dumb enough to have the painting? Yeah, it didn't Why would you telegraph it? Why would you... Why would you do this? It's just... I just can't understand it And Jericho's obviously been doing this longer than I have You know, Callis has Like, there's a lot of people involved in this Who should have known how non-sensical This would have seemed to every single person watching He's especially... This was the first week that Osprey was able to appear Because the G1 had been going on So he couldn't be there before this So you've only really got two episodes of Dynamite To build this match properly And it's like, the first week to have this We won't be able to remember it It just is mad But yeah, I don't get it I don't understand the choice But... So I managed to watch half of Dynamite And then I had to stop because we were recording... Can we just do one more little thing back So how did this end? So is... Is Don Callis aligned with Jericho or not? Or is he... Was he the one who basically sent Will Osprey to attack Jericho? He said Will Osprey to attack Jericho So what happened was Osprey and Takeshita attacked Jericho And bloody them up And then Sami Guevara made the save for Jericho Which at least... At least... I'll give them something At least Sami Guevara had said, I'll still be there for you, but you need to be there for me So at least he left something to make it make sense that he saved them But... But I mean, he put weeks and weeks and weeks into this Jericho Don Callis story Weeks to be able to do this for ages And why not run for a while? You know, why not... You know, makers believe that Jericho and Don are a partnership Or maybe Don could have done the heel turn in the match at Wembley That would have felt bigger, wouldn't it? That would have been much better Because Callis was definitely aligned with Osprey It wasn't like he was shocked to see Osprey turn up for anything So there's so many ways they could have done it It just felt like... Yeah, it just felt like they could have leased interested And also most confusing way of doing it Yeah, I mean, Had Don and Jericho gone into All in a Wembley stadium as a partnership Well, you know, we could detect some tension between them And it wasn't... You know, it was an uneasy alliance You know, that's very easy to do And that's something that they had actually projected, aren't they? They transmitted those vibes, you know, in all their interactions And then Don had done the heel turn in the match I feel... And then Jericho somehow won anyway Or cost Jericho the match And given Osprey a tainted big tree Because he turned to you on Jericho I mean, that would have been monumental That would have been huge And that could have led to rematch in Chicago the following weekend, couldn't it? Yeah And that would have been way better, you'd have had that drama But... Hey Ho, a bit now, before we go So I've only watched half of Dynamite And I didn't get chance to watch the rest But you had a chance to watch the Texas Chainsaw Massacre match Yes, match with Jeff Jarrett and Jeff Hardy And everyone else involved And everyone in Leatherface I've seen some reviews so far on it They talk me through what this was like Well, this was to promote And the video game that's released on August 18th Called The Texas Chainsaw Massacre Yeah, based on the famous movie From the early 70s to me the greatest horror film all of all time And, you know, I was... Went to a real big horror film phase Probably about 23 years ago End of the 90s, early 2000s That was really horror films And you couldn't actually watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre in the UK at the time And then it was actually released in cinemas I think maybe I can't remember where it was Maybe 1999 2000 And I remember going to see the cinema in Manchester Trafford Centre Massive auditorium And there was me and one other person watching it And it was just like the power of that movie is unbelievable In contrast This match was... It reminded me, you know, of the army of the dead match Between Miss and Damien Priest, wasn't it Kenny? Yes In the lockdown era Which was like one of the daftest things That's ever been presented I mean, up there we'd like RoboCop appearing Capital combat 1990 You know, the Yeti You know, just all a silly giant called Zalis You know, and just like really dumb stupid things that have happened in pro-wrestling history And this match is Texas Chainsaw Massacre, death match between Jeff Hardy and Jeff Jarrett To me is down there with all of them It belongs on the all-time real of dumbest matches in wrestling history I mean, it was just... You've got Karen Jarrett was there Matt Hardy was there Ethan Page Jellithal, Sanjay Dutt, Sanham Singh It's just all these people involved And then a guy dressed as Leatherface With a Chainsaw comes out And Chasey's Karen Jarrett to the back And she's pretending to be this damsel in distress Running away, fairway, running away from King Kong Or whatever the woman was called He ran away from Leatherface Texas Chainsaw Massacre I'm sorry I can't remember her name But this was just dumb on so many levels It was just absurd It was so bad that Tony Shavani A man with very little shame A man who's been around wrestling for nearly 40 years Or maybe even 40 years now It's something like that You could just... You could detect his shame He was just ashamed of this match He was embarrassed by this match You know, he was just cringing on commentary I mean, like... Excalibus said, you know, this is one of the most bizarre matches in AEW history And they were just like dying of embarrassment on commentary As happy and lethal of running around backstage In this sort of mock horror film set up I mean, remember the, you know, the Broadway at Randy Orn match That was... Well, wasn't it a match set in there? What was that called? Her supporters, her supporters Oh my god I mean, that was just absurd as well But I mean, at least that had a little bit of a creepy tinge to this This was just stupid So, yeah, they're doing all this stuff backstage Karen Jarrett was involved in Eccantik Anything seriously if she's involved in it And then it's like all these run-ins And then they ended up in the ring And it was like one high spot in this match Jeff Hardy swan-toned Jeff Jarrett through a table Well, really good I mean, the audience who were just like mystified Be wilded by what's unfolding It was like, yay! Look at that swan-ton And it wasn't the finish and the match continued And in the end, I think, was it J. Lee-Thorek Hardy over the head with a hammer And then Jarrett scored the pin And it was just this, you know, defleting ending to this utter absurdity Have you seen it, Kenny? No, no, I'm gonna watch it pretty much immediately I have to be record today Because I'm very excited to see how bad it is Yeah But I mean, yeah, I've not heard one I mean, I scrolled through Twitter right before we came on And, you know, I saw a lot of the stuff you were saying You know, people were saying, one of the worst matches ever And I've not seen one good review But I'm hoping that because I know it's gonna be so bad That I'll be able to enjoy it Because I'll be prepared Yeah I mean, I do love the idea of leather face Being a transitional moment in a wrestling match Like, I mean, I did leather face at least Did he look? No, he didn't look like that I mean, we've had guys like Super leather and there was leather face Yeah It was the IWA Japan, I think, wing as well And, you know, we'd actually, it was very famous A spot where one of them used a chainsaw And Matt Senaga's head And one of shoes that, you know It was just a blade job and not real And I can't remember it was it's Super leather And he had these like fireworks attached to the chainsaw So when he came out and fired it up, he's firework shot from the chainsaw That was impressive You know, but it's the character was just, you know, just silly And you couldn't take it seriously even in the garbage promotions When it was supposed to be a source of terror I mean, here on the IWA was just, you know, a source and just embarrassment And, you know, it just seemed like a parody of a wrestling match Like, if you set out to parody pro wrestling I make pro wrestling look completely ridiculous and absurd And, you know, just, you know, a form of entertainment You know, that people would just laugh at You would present a match like this Well, I look forward to watching it for sure But listen, that's all we've got for today And we will be back with the overrun the next couple of days And we're going to take less than a question And we'll be back next week for more There'll be more craziness next week's fun, as it always is Well, absolutely No grado on Dynamite, Kenny I know, maybe it's not going to happen Maybe it's not going to happen So... Oh, they'll be announced, yeah! Challenge Grado No, they've not So, I don't know if it is going to happen But, you know, we'll see Hopefully it does, I think it'll be good But, yeah, anyway, we'll listen, we want to thank you for all your support, everybody We'll be back next week We're hopefully Grado and Jeff Shatt will have been announced So, we will talk to you then So, thank you for listening everybody And we'll talk to you soon Tonight I'm going to talk to you then I'm going to talk to you then I'm going to talk to you then I'm going to speak with myself Hey, hey, hey What happened? Man! Well done!