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What's going down? Hey everybody, welcome to have a brand new episode of what's going down here on Patreon, ad free or wherever you get your podcast from Delse. My name is Kenny McTorch joint as always by Master of Family Martin Fenn, how are you? It's a bit of a drink Tuesday. Yeah, well, I'm all right Kenny, I mean, I mean, last time we recorded, we were talking about the, you know, the passengers Harry Funk. You know, on this week, it's, it's, it's Bray Wyatt, which was obviously massively unexpected. He was only 36. And it's just dominated the news, doesn't it, for a number of days and rightly so. Yeah, you know, 36 years old, obviously the news kind of broke late Thursday night. So for today, you know, usually we talk about Smackdown and Smackdown can end up being kind of a tribute show to Bray Wyatt and to Terry Funk. So I thought we could spend the first portion of today talking about Bray Wyatt and all that. And then we'll talk about all of them. But I mean, I was kind of flo- I mean, I was floored by the news, just absolutely floored. And you know, 36, he's so young, we knew there was, we knew there was some sort of health issue that had plagued him. And that was why he was off and stuff. It's come to pass since then that when he had died, he was not wearing a heart defibrillator. The doctors had told him he needed to wear in order to stop any other. So he'd got COVID. Yeah. I think he, and he had quite bad complications from COVID, which brought up a pre-existing heart condition he had. And that obviously led to the time off. But I believe he was cleared two weeks before he sadly passed away. And then, you know, he wasn't when the defibrillator was on his car. Yeah, I guess, you know, it's a horrible situation. What are your kind of thoughts on the the situation? I mean, he seems to have left a pretty great legacy based on how everyone fuels about him and about, you know, his time and rest. And you know, we banged our heads against the wall a few times about some of the creative stuff that that's got what this is about. And what are your thoughts? Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's, you know, when someone dies this young, it, it doesn't seem real until you see the, you know, the, you start reading the tributes online. And then you see the tribute show, Smackdown, everybody was there on the stage. And they did the 10 belt salute. And lots of people were crying. And it's for, for us, I think sometimes it's quite, it's not until that moment that it feels real, because it just feels, because we haven't seen obviously, haven't seen Bray since February. So it's been off TV for so long. And when someone's not a regular presence for this news to break, it's, you know, it's, it's not until you actually see the real grief from people who knew him well that it hits you. And that was the moment where it really, you know, really hit me. You know, yeah, the guy really, you know, he's not coming back. This is it. This is final. You know, this is, you know, just absolutely terrible and seen all attributes about his four young kids. And, you know, I mean, what will stay be thinking Kenny? You know, I mean, four young kids and to lose their father. That's the real tragedy here, isn't it? Not the wrestling has lost, you know, this larger than life character. But the family and particularly the kids have lost their father. And so yeah, the tribute Sean Friday and the people on the stage and the 10 bell salue, it was like, yeah, that was, that, that to me is what was most memorable from the whole, you know, aftermath of this. But yeah, as a character, as a, you know, as a performer, I mean, when he returned in October, Kenny, we were so full of hope, weren't we? We were so full of hope for this, you know, new beginning for this guy who had left WWE very unexpectedly. The previous year, wasn't it the previous August he'd gone? It'd been, oh, was it last August that he was fired? It was, it was a lot, it was in the July 2021. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It was over a year. It was over a year that he was, that he was no longer part of the company. And that was really shocking that he, that he lost his job. That's right, because his last match was WrestleMania, wasn't it? We ran the Orton? Yes. Yeah. The WrestleMania match we ran the Orton and then, and then, and then, but then I mean, I guess part of why, can we still don't know 100% why he was released at the end of July 2021? No, it was never really explained, was it? No, and it could be that part of that he was released was his heart condition. If he had a heart condition that, you know, maybe something that happened there, you know, we're not going to know. But yeah, you know, it's because, because he had, you know, he had that age, I think he did, he'd, uh, cooperated the name Wyndham and we thought he was going to maybe turn up somewhere else, but he never does. And then he made that huge return, the extreme rules last year. Yes. And yeah, I mean, the one of the things in wrestling that I'm really sad about is that I'm really sad that he didn't do a proper sit down interview with anybody. Whether it was, you know, me for a life show or whether it was, you know, one of the big American outlets to get it because he's never really had a chance to sort of explain his thought process behind a lot of the stuff that we've seen in the past and over the years. And I think that would have been really good to hear and we're never going to hear that. You know, we're never going to hear. And I think that's really sad that we're not going to get that because I think that it's just something that would have been great for, for fact, it kind of reminds me a little bit. It's different because this is more tragic, of course, but it reminds me of the fact that, you know, Randy Savage never really sat down with anybody and talked about, I mean, he did, he did at points, but, you know, you never really got the big retrospective with him talking about all his career and stuff. And I just feel like if I had been able to do that, I think it would have been great for him for his legacy. But I mean, I think I said this on Twitter and I'm not just saying this because he's passed away because I know that sometimes the inclination to be with someone passes away to be overly positive about everything and wrestling that they've done. But I do think that there's an argument, I think, to put them in the Hall of Fame next year because you think about how he was, kind of, buried at points and he still managed to be as big a star as he was and sell the merch that he did and keep people, you know, we would, we would be, you know, banging our head against the wall of it, the drivel that he was doing on screen. And then he'd be back and be like, oh, but then again, oh, maybe he's turned a corner, maybe he's turned a corner and he'd do something new and he'd reinvent himself again and you'd be getting ready to sort of take the plunge again and see if this was going to be any different. So I think based on, you know, the last 10 years and people in WB who've floundered, I think there is an argument to put them in there. And I'd really nice for this family to see that happen next year. But you know, whether they'll do that or not, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I imagine it will happen. I don't, yeah, I probably will happen next year. But I mean, yeah, the returning October, we had so much hope for that new character. I mean, what a response that he received when he came out without almost like horror film, amazing, big budget effect entrants. You know, I'm here and it was just like, wow, he's back after whatever it was, 14 months on the on the outside and all these rumors is he's going to go to AEW. And I think we pretty much said, well, he's not going to because he can't just be a wrestler. He's got to be a character as well. And that's not something AEW really does. And he would have had to have done something very different as well because Bray Wyatt was the property of WWE. And like all those characters and all those things would have been property of WWE. And it's very possible as well that he didn't want to burn the bridge and go and work for the other company, probably knowing that he would receive another chance because if you keep your head down, you don't bury the company. You don't embarrass yourself. You don't embarrass the company. And you've got the audience that he has, then eventually they will give you another chance. So I mean, I'm with you Kenny. I mean, it would have been really good if you'd done that interview because he had this experimental approach to pro wrestling. And he believed in it. He absolutely believed in it. He believed in it after the Royal Rumble match with LA Knight. You know, he thought that that was the success it wasn't. I mean, it absolutely wasn't. And my view on all that is never going to change even though he's no longer with us. My view of that, people know my view of that. And that's on my views. I was as strong as the were when that match took place. But had he come out and explained what he was trying to achieve, and I think we'd all be, I think probably would have understood it more because you've got a figure that he put so much to thought into everything that he did. It felt to me like he maybe, you know, overthought everything he did. And maybe it became too overly complicated. And that was why all the lay people never quite understood what he was trying to achieve. And I think that was a mistake they did made because he came back and when he returned and you did that promo in Saudi, didn't you? He did several promos where it felt like he was really being honest with the public and saying that, you know, I went through a terrible time and, you know, this support that you've given me has just, you know, lifted me up. You've picked me up and you give me another chance and I'm so grateful. And I think there was a lot of truth and reality in what he was saying to the public, but it was also wrapped up in this, you know, larger than life, sort of, you know, supernatural character. So it was quite difficult to know where the truth stopped and the fiction began. And maybe he didn't want to do that sort of post undertaker, you know, undertaker retirement ceremony speech where he came out and actually, you know, introduced his real self-tools, has he might have thought that it could have been detrimental to the character and it might have been Kenny. So I'm sure that was the motivation for not doing that. But I'm absolutely with you. Now we wish that he had done that because we are where we're at now. Sadly, and he's obviously no longer with us. Yeah. And I think, you know, undertaker would, I mean, undertaker would not have done that kind of interview in 1995. You know, yeah, he did do some interviews in 2002 or whatever. But yeah, I mean, I think it's, it's a, I thought on SmackDown, I liked the idea that early night came out and sort of said some nice things about him. I thought that was very, very classy and very nice. And yeah, I mean, everybody, it was also a tough show that they had to do because, you know, you're trying to honor Teddy Funk, who, as we talked about last week, was a legend and you're trying to, because we recorded our personal podcast in Thursday morning, we did the Teddy Funk tribute. I feel like that's great. That's, that's a job done. Out we go. And then that night, you know, the grey-white thing happens. So they had a tough job trying to pay tribute to both of them, I think. But I think, I think they did a good job. I know some people have said that, you know, well, when Eddie died, ever, you know, there was, ever them was off. But it's a different time now, you know, and whatever you do, you're going to get complaints or people who think you should have done it differently. I mean, would, it's tough. I mean, he's 36. He died of a really tragic natural cause, which is, I mean, yeah, it's, it's, it's horrible. So I think they did a good job. I think also the difference now as well is, people can put their own tributes out on Twitter. You know, and they showed many of them on screen, didn't they, throughout Smackdown? Whereas in 2005, when Eddie Guerrero died, Twitter didn't exist. So people weren't able to put out their own tributes on Twitter. I mean, if they had their own website, the code or normally did my space exist then, I think it did. Well, but you know what I mean, now people can put those tributes out there on Twitter and everybody who's interested can read them immediately. Whereas about then it was different, wasn't it? They don't have that sort of connection with the audience in 2005 that they do now, you know, with the public, you know, so it's definitely different times. Obviously, we, yeah, just send all the positive thoughts out to his family and yeah, let's just talk about them. I mean, the thing is, everybody who's spoken about him has said how great a guy he was and everybody has, you know, praised him and, you know, whether it was, you know, the WWE shows, Smackdown, Raw, or all in, you know, lots of people had on bands for him. So that was really classic. So, you know, you get the mark that you leave in the industry is what will be remembered. I think that he, I think he will end up being remembered for more good than bad. And because of how obviously young he passed away and stuff, but yeah, it's a real shame. But I think a lot of it with Kenny is, is that we knew he was just, he had such a fertile mind. We knew that he had so much to give to the business. And in many ways, he was almost like in terms of, you know, a Brian Pilman where you just thought, God, if Brian Pilman lived, what else would he have done? You know, some of what Brian Pilman did wasn't very good either. But you just thought this guy is just like, you know, powerhouse in terms of his creativity and his love for wrestling and his, you know, his desire to perform, you know, and to take wrestling to places that it had never been before. And sometimes, you know, that means doing things that people don't really understand. And I think we Wyatt, you know, because his career was interrupted, you know, to, you know, 2021, 2022. And then earlier this year was another, you know, health problem again. And, you know, we just sort of feel like, this is a guy that, you know, would have done so much more. We're just talking here kind of selfishly in terms of what we wanted from him as a performer. Yeah. Because, you know, that's how we knew Kenny, wasn't it? But you just sort of feel like, this is a guy that just hadn't really got stied. You know what I mean? And I almost feel like, if you had come around, if the Wyatt family had sort of come around and got to the main roster when Triple H was in charge. Yeah. Thank you. I think things really been very different. But he also did have to contain events for a lot of years, where events obviously liked him. I mean, Vince, Vince put in a lot of big time situations. So it's not like Vince thought he was, he was, he was, he was no good. But ultimately, I think because Vince would change his mind on so many things, I think that hurt him a lot. And, you know, we've been over, you know, he got to be in the ring with all these big names, but never got to have the win over them. So, yeah. But I mean, he did, you know, he changed his gimmick in numerous times to try and figure it a new way. I mean, I don't remember being in, I think it was Toronto for SummerSlam 2019 when he did the Fiendenches for the first 10 years. Wow. I mean, I'd never seen him like it before in wrestling. I mean, it was just, it was amazing that moment of him doing that. I mean, obviously, the end ring stuff later was, was, was, was very good. But, you know, that moment was, was, was great. So, um, yeah, we, you know, I does not really much else to say, but, you know, obviously, there'll be more in the magazine about them and stuff. And, I'm sure WB will be, you know, making a documentary about them and stuff to try and pay tribute to them. So yeah, that's a bit all we can do. Um, so we're going to talk about all in next now. We, we're not going to talk about the suspensions of Jack Perry and CM Punk and the backstage fight today because we only have so much time on these podcasts. So we will talk about those on that one Thursday. Well, okay, can I just say that Kenny, I was watching the zero hour and in the hook Jack Perry match, a fighting on the limousine, right? And then Jack Perry just breaks off from the match. He's having this fight to the, you know, this brutal fight with Hawk for this FTW championship. He just says, you know what, this is right here. And then he patted the windscreen of the limousine. And then Perry says, real glass go Crimea river. I was just flawed. I was just like, well, it's fairly obvious who is saying who is that's a message directly to as he leaned into the camera. And also, you know, there's like thinking that when that story came out about the CM Punk telling Jack Perry, can you use real glass in collision? You think in, is this a phony story that someone has fabricated to noxie and punk? You know, has this come from the Perry, the elite camp, old design to, you know, rubbish punk's reputation further? And you're like, nah, it's a real story all right. And I was just, I just couldn't believe it. I just could not believe that this like undercard guy would do that on, you know, AW's biggest show ever. And I was, we'll talk about this more on Thursday Kenny, but I was just like, wow, if that just doesn't sum up the state of play backstage in this company, I can't think what does. Yeah, I mean, you know, with, I'm going to say very little here because I don't want to, because we'll end up talking about it loads, but, you know, CM Punk, I just want to say this to date, right? We'll extend on Thursday. The story came out that CM Punk was not, was not picked up by an update he threw airport on Saturday or Saturday was. Yeah, yeah, this, this photos of him now, this photo of him now on the underground with all these gear, isn't it? Yeah, he's, he's there on the tube and stuff, and people working well, you know, this story's just been released to make CM Punk look better. And I will just say this from my, and I'll say this from my wealth of experience in dealing with wrestlers and travel. You know about this Kenny, you are better qualified to talk about this, than almost anyone out there in podcast land. Yeah, I would say so and or on Twitter. And all I can tell you is from being at WCPW and dealing with loads of indie wrestlers who you did travel with and from dealing with big names on tours, there is no way that CM Punk on the level of star he is, was going to get the tube to his hotel. There is no chat. There is just, I just don't buy it. I don't buy it whatsoever. So, you know, maybe there was a miscommunication, I'm not saying that, you know, they deliberately were like, let's go leave him at the airport, but something happened and that set things off in a bad so, and then it got worse and worse. But we'll, you know, we'll go, we'll go over it Thursday and did, so on, we'll go through kind of, we'll go through things fairly quickly so we can kind of get through everything, but we did end up seeing at the end of the first hour of the zero-hour show, we saw Jeff Jarrett come out and caught a fantastic old-school heel promo on the Wembley crowd. I don't know if you saw this one fun, but he was calling, he called them fannies, dafties and wankers. And he said, you know, America is the best, it's American promoters, Britain's never done anything good, you know, he's going, no UK star, well, and he's just, no UK stars ever done anything. And then of course, Paul White's music hits, and he comes out with Anthony, a go-go, and then emotions to the back and Gradle comes out, no like a frayer, but with Paul White, and we get the moment of Gradle hitting Jeff Jarrett with a guitar. Gradle actually did an interview last night with Colter Hot, and he was asked about it, asked a bit of the like a pair of stuff. And he said, the invitation to do all in was pretty last minute, he got the call on Thursday. Wow, and he asked Tony Kahnback, and he did say, he said, I think part of the reason I got it is because so many people on social media were clamoring for me to be there. Well, that's not odd, because they obviously did the angle for talk sport. Yeah. And like, well, was that not part of a plan all along? Well, because he, what he said was when that angle happened, that he did the angle, he then, everybody was congratulating him, so you know, as if there's a match happening. And because that hadn't been agreed, he was staying quiet, because he didn't want to like, ruffle any feathers or whatever. And obviously, they've eventually decided to bring him in. And so apparently backstage, he goes to Tony Kahn and says, you know, can we do like a pair or whatever? Yeah, I know you've used songs for other people, and Tony Kahn said, I'm not going to fuck with Madonna, but this exact term that he had. And Gator was very nice, but he's like, look, I'm in one night, I get it. They're not going to pay all this money just for me when I'm not part of the roster or whatever. Yeah, why would they, you know? Yeah, exactly. But you know, he still got a big pot just for his graphic showing up on this green. And he got the big moment, Paul White was there, showing us that he has zero matches left in him, zero. Yeah, I mean, he did a punch, he did a choke slam, and they were rough. Very rough. But anyway, then we got the first match of the zero, which was Adam Cole and MJF taking on Aussie Open through the ROH tag team titles, and Aussie Open lost their titles to MJF and Cole, so they go into the show as ROH tag team champions. I turned to the people that I was worth for and said, well, the ROH tag team to belts were finally with somebody who means something, so there's a step up for those belts. Yeah, as we predicted, I mean, it was the right decision, you know, for the ring of honor tag team belts, and the right decision for the main event as well, and for the story, you know, this week on Dynamite and Collision for next week, it all out, so I mean, yeah, absolutely made sense, didn't it, to change the tag team championship here. And then we also had on the zero error show, we had hook defeating Jack Perry to win the FTW title. I mean, I hadn't seen, because obviously, we were there alive, and you know, you can see the ring, you can see various belts, but I did not see the bet to camera. No, no, no, no, no, you know, real glass, go cry me a river. And you know, the announcers, Kenny, they ignored it. There was no acknowledgement of what Perry said directly into camera. Well, because I feel like if you're the commentators, because apparently Perry had told several people he was going to do that, which again tells you the problems are there. But like, if you're the announcer, you probably don't want to comment on it because you're like, this is not you know, because they're aware of the backstage situation. They're aware that Pong can Perry don't go on. I'm sure they're aware, you know, people talk at wrestling shows, and they just didn't want to have it. You didn't want to get involved. And it's like, you shouldn't be putting announcers in that position either. Well, exactly, exactly. I mean, never mind suspended, guys should be fired. Tell you what, if I was running out of, you know, that guy would be fired, he'd be gone. No questions asked. He would be fired on the spot. There's no, I mean, I was, you know, I don't really, I mean, I've obviously not Pong many times about his behaviour, including in the in the latest edition of what else he's going down, Kenny. So are you wondering, yes, you've got something you probably won't read anywhere else. So I've called C.M. Pong out there in the latest column. But I mean, that was outrageous behaviour by Perry, outrageous, a sackable offense. No questions asked. And for just putting the company in that position, you write the announcers in that position as well. So yeah, so they had these fights, so the fighting on the limousine on zero hour. And you're like, why are you doing this? You know, why you have him at one point, he was a, you know, hook fisherman busted Perry on the cow windscreen, which was real glass as Perry appointed out. And it was just an unnecessary risk to me. And there's going to be so much on this show. Why are you doing hardcore spots on the zero hour pre show? That's my question. Yeah, it's a fair question. It's a fair question. I mean, did you pick the result? Was the correct result? Yeah, I think so. I mean, you know, Perry's the heel and he neat. I mean, he'd been particularly obnoxious. He was the one who turned on hook. I mean, I think he's doing all right as a heel, but I mean, as I say, I mean, to me, he shouldn't even be in the company anymore after that, you know, outburst on the show, which was deliberately designed to antagonize punk and did so as we'll discuss further on Thursday. And, you know, so yeah, Perry was caught with the red rum choke and that was it. So I matched, you know, I finished, Canada came from out of nowhere. And I'm not really sure what's going on with hook. He seemed to have something quite special a while ago, and that's gone. That aura has vanished. So I'm not. Maybe they are. Maybe they're planning getting that back with them because I thought that he was, I think, I think there's still something there. And I think that they could definitely move him into, I mean, he was doing he was doing stuff on the the collision eight man tag that was the night before where like he was suplexing a Brian Cage in the match. And but like because Brian Cage is like a nobody, it doesn't, you know, you're not really protecting Brian Cage, but when you look at the size of Brian Cage, hook should not be able to like fling him about easily, but you're in this position where it's hooks and such a bigger level and cage that you shouldn't really have hook, you shouldn't have hook having to sort of sell too much to cage, but I think even when he was doing those moves in collation, I've said there is still something there. And obviously now that Perry's suspended and pending investigation, at least hooks got, I mean, you know, we never get the results these investigations doing. But I mean, the thing is we hook is he needs to do more than what he's been doing. He's been at this sort of very low level with an occasional bigger match for what seems like what we like two years in now into his career. It's, I'm sure it's 2021 debuted. Yep, there was. So he needs to start doing more in his matches. And you know, and he needs to start talking. Maybe we did get the, they did a promo on collision and he has talking at that. So hopefully that translates more to him than actual promos. Yeah. The less, so we hope we start the paper video, we start all in. I mean, give me your thoughts on the look of the show, the presentation, Wembley, how they kind of made it look. How did it come across on TV? Yeah, I mean, it was, you know, it was well-layed. I mean, it looked good. Obviously huge crowd. I mean, there wasn't that many special effects. Really were there. I was expecting more pyro. I think I was expecting more of a, you know, like a WrestleMania-type approach to it. So it was more just a show, wasn't it, really? I mean, obviously Wembley Stadium looks amazing. So it's a new venue and everything. So I mean, it looked really good. But I mean, I was expecting more given the size of the show. Yeah, I mean, I will say that the one thing they did that should be the absolute commended as they meant a pyro they used. You know, we've had so many shows, but I mean, I'll ask you to clash at the castle. There was no budget, Finn. We got nothing. Where is, you know, at least, you should, to me, pyro, I love pyro at a show. And you know, a WWE do it for WrestleMania, they do it for Jedda, they don't do it for Cardiff. But it felt like every match that there was pyro, there was loads of stuff going on. So I thought it looked big time, but they opened the show with CM Punk and Smogel for the real world title, the crowd were very, very anti CM Punk during this match, which he kind of laughed along at various points. And he goes on to retain against Smogel in 14 minutes and he does the Pepsi plunge from the middle rope. What did you make of this as an open us? Yeah, I mean, punk imitated Terry Funk at one point. Then he did imitated Hulk Hogan. He did like the leg dropper doom. And Joe pointedly kicked out on one. You must have been offended by that Kenny. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't my, my, my greatest, it wasn't my favourite moment. I don't like that. But I mean, I thought, I thought there was a lot of stuff in the match that they did that I thought was clever, because I think they knew what the rest of the show was going to be. So they, they made sure that they were like, we're going to definitely definitely kind of match. And I thought they, yeah, they really like, I think this was probably my favourite CM Punk match since he has come back. And I think it's Joe's best match in AW. He felt like he a star, finally. But yeah, I think they, I think they, they did really well known where they were in the show to, you know, you use a lot of bells and whistles, do a lot of different stuff. And they could, I mean, because in the portion of the crowd that I was in, they were very anti-CM Punk, but on TV, I guess that, that came across on TV, yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, at one point, you know, Joe obviously kicked out of the leg drop of doom. The punk used the Terry Funk spinning toe hold. And understandably, most of fans didn't know what he was doing. And to me, the spinning toe hold was this like 70s hold, because even when I first started watching Terry Funk, whenever he used the spinning toe hold, which was, you know, the funk submission, like no one, like no one of no to ever tap, tap, tap to it. So he used that here. I mean, it felt a bit like a greatest hits to her watching this match. It felt like to me. And and punk used the Pepsi plunge from out of nowhere from the middle rope for the win. I mean, Jim Ross on commentary. I mean, he had a bit of a strange night on commentary to Jim Ross. I mean, he actually was far more enthusiastic than normal. I think it's possibly because he's as he resided new contract yet. Do we know if he has it? Yeah, I don't think so. Maybe that's the, maybe that's why he's enthusiastic. Yeah, so he was more enthusiastic. But then this enthusiasm for the product would be contrasted by this brutal honesty of the match. And like, clearly he doesn't like the AEW product. This has been obvious for years. And after punk Versi Smogio Ross on commentary said it wasn't pretty sometimes. I thought you didn't need to say that. You're a commentator. You supposed to be selling this to the world. So that cracked me up. But yeah, punk won. I mean, we thought he would. I mean, if he, if he doesn't lose his job over this Jack Perry business. And I don't think he will because to me, Perry was at fault. Then we figure it's going to be punk versus MGF in November. That's what we imagine is the plan. Right Kenny? Yes. As far as I'm aware that it seems like that's what's the plan because you wouldn't, you weren't going to have punk turn up and dynamite and make it the following weekends. And yeah, I mean, I think that's where they're going. But I mean, I was, I was very pleasantly surprised at this match because, and you know, the greatest hits there's a fair, fair kind of comment. I think I was just hoping that it was going to be different to everything else. And I felt like it was. And I felt the crowd really, really went into it. And you know, it's that kind of Jericho thing, right? We said, we're not last. We're the first one. Let's fire through some of the matches that I don't think you have a lot to say about. So I'm not going to push you for a lot of comment. We did get, um, Jay White just Robinson to cash to defeating Kenny Omega, coated British and Hanman page went to cash to rolled up Kenny Omega Finn. Any Omega at Wembley Stadium was rolled up to set up a one-on-one match next or this weekend. Yeah. Did you have any thoughts on this one quickly? Um, I mean, I just saw this match, this match kind of meandered at times. And it felt like the referee had lost control. And they were all just like scrapping for no, no reason. And it felt like towards the end, it really was. They were getting their acts together and it was really moving. On Omega was hitting all this high-impact offends and the crowd was coming alive and getting into it because this was a long match. And it just like at one point, you know, Omega was selling for ages for Juice Robinson. Now I actually think Juice Robinson is really good in the ring. It's a strange, his character is very strange. I don't understand the character and I don't think was supposed to. But Omega was, I felt just sold far too much. Um, you know, and Hangman Adam Page just almost seemed anonymous at times and he made the hot tag and, God, it was, you know, it wasn't a very hot hot tag. Um, and then the match meandered but then towards the end, it felt like Omega was really, you know, moved it up into fifth gear and wow, the match is really coming alive and he's smashing everyone with all these big offends and you think, wow, they finally hit high gear and this match is going to really sizzle. And then from out of nowhere to Keshta, you know, used a flute roll up for the pin. I was like, right, that's it. It's a flute roll up. The obviously most devastating, as we know, Kenny, finisher in all of Pro Wrestling, the flute roll up. So I mean, you know what, if to Keshta gets the win over Omega this weekend in Chicago, it'll be a round of applause for Omega from me. You know what, I mean, past performance sort of indicates that Omega's going over since he's just gone under Wembley, but you never know. I never saw Omega doing the job here. So maybe those surprises again. But yeah, I felt like it was a bit of a strange match. It's like, didn't really have a plan for it and it just sort of was all over the place until the end when it felt like it came alive. And then we had this flute pin. So yeah, a bit odd really. Yeah, I think it's one of those things where a lot of people, as we know, wanted the Kenny Omega big singles match at Wembley and I understand that. I think, you know, it's something that we should have had. But you know, they had this, it's building something else. I guess everything can't be the end game at Wembley, but yeah. So I mean, JR also had another really amazing moment on commentary. At one point, white and abusia just standing there pummeling me each other, right? And just, you know, not selling anything. And JR said, I've never understood this. Oh, yeah. Well, speaking of it all of us, Jim, I will say that's the Tony Khan dead near solid because I got to see CM Punk and Jo and the opener, which I was looking forward to. Then we got the golden lovers out the way. And then the young bucks were next. So by match four, I was done with them all. What a, what a decision. So we got FTR in the box and we talked last week about how we were sure that the bucks were going to win the titles because of cash wheels issues. But in the end here, it was FTR who retained the titles in about 21 minutes. What did you make of the match and the finish? Yeah, I mean, I thought, you know, it was better than the usual young box match. I mean, it was again, on commentary, it seemed like JR was trying to get himself fired. I mean, he was just sort of pathetic about the whole thing. I mean, there was some big kickouts of course. We had that sort of thing now, which has become something I've seen before from AEW where they used the spike power driver and the kick out of it. Now to me, the spike power driver is the ultimate finisher should never be kicked out of. And it was kicked out of twice in this match. So yeah, and then we had Matt kicking out of chat machine. Then there was a really strange spot in this match where the books hit the BTE trigger and then Nick Jackson pin cash wheeler, often alien with the BTE trigger. And then on the pin, Nick pulled wheeler's ammo. And it was so obvious that he did it. And I thought, I've got to watch that again. I watched it three times. And the announcers had to acknowledge this. And it was, you know, almost like when a heel is pinning someone and they pull someone's shoulders up so that to humiliate them, can he? Yes. Well, Nick Jackson did that to cash wheeler. And it was so obvious even the announcers had to acknowledge it. But then Nick was kind of not acting as though he'd done that deliberately. What he did it. And I just thought that was really weird. In the end, wheeler pin Nick after the chat machine. And yeah, I enjoyed it more than most young, more than most young book match, young books matches. You know, it was quite long. I think it's probably too long. I think they probably did too much. But that's what you expect from a young book match. And I was pleased to see FTR retain. I didn't think they would. We predicted last week that this would be a young book's victory. It wasn't. And then afterwards FTR offered to shake hands with the books and the books refused and walked off and they were booed. So maybe this saga will continue. Yeah, well, I liked the idea of keeping the box kind of hewish, they're better than that role. They're not video equal. So I think keeping them that is for a good good move. Yeah, surprise and CFTR get the win. And yeah, I enjoyed the match. I thought it's pretty good. I enjoyed it more than I enjoy most young books matches. But then we had the stadium stampede match with Eddie Kingston Penta, Orange Cassidy and best friends against Moxley, Claudio, Wheelie, Santana and Ortiz. This was a difficult match to watch lives because you didn't really see a lot of the stuff. You saw the stuff that was in the ring. But apart from that, you didn't really get to see too much. But this also was kind of setting something up because you know, Orange Cassidy could be facing John Moxley all out. So Cassidy got the pin on Claudio at the end after Kingston had come back out to help. I mean, I guess if you like the kind of hardcore match style, that is what they were giving you here. Yes, you can say that again. I mean, it was quite difficult to watch on TV. I mean, they went to a split screen, but only occasionally. So there's people fighting backstage. And lots of this, we just didn't see it all. So I mean, Kingston was backstage. And you know, there was lots of stuff going on in the ring. And then a ring sign in the aisle and at this backstage and up fighting in the seats. And it was also a bit odd that they would pitch them fighting in empty seats as well. But I mean, maybe that was a better idea than fighting where all the fans were. So yeah, there was Moxley used the skewers, Penta bashed the skewers into Moxley's head. We've always done that. I think that's the first time he's done that in AEW. I think that's right. Yes. Yes, I think so. Yeah. We've seen him. There's, you know, been photos of him, you know, in Japan, I think he was with the skewers stuck in his head. So that's the spot he likes to do. We had the, you know, the fork and Moxley stabbed the Cassidy loads of times with a fork and Cassidy bled. And I mean, there was some pretty brutal stuff here like Moxley hit Moxley hit brain buster on a chair, Cassidy with a brain buster onto a chair. I opened the stands Kingston, they'll use it with an umbrella. So turned up in the minivan Kenny and started handing out baking trays, which were used as weapons. And they'd set some tables up near the entrance. And Penta did a, actually recorded really well to the step ladder kind of broke. But he managed to get up there and, you know, I did a sunset flip. Power bomb. It was Penta on Santana. And sunset flip. Power bomb didn't off the ladder through tables. So that got a big pop. Claudio did the giant swing in the ring. Fans were chanting. Fortunately, they stopped chanting the numbers or counting rather because there's all sorts of other stuff going on. I mean, at one point, they were using Lego at ringside. And there's like three different sets of spots going at once. So I don't think the announcers called the use of the Lego, which was, you know, just, you know, over the top, really. And, you know, so, and then the end, Cassidy put, wrapped tape around his hand and used like, put sticky side on the outside. And then he put, like, broken glass on the sticky tape. And then he nailed Claudio with the punch and then scored the pin. I mean, they did manage to get the audience into it at the end. I mean, this, I mean, fans saw so much here, didn't they? There was just so much going on here in terms of multiple different spots or, you know, battles going on at once. And so much in terms of, you know, garbage spots and action and bumps and stunts. I mean, it was, it was, there was a lot going on here, wasn't there, Kenny? Yeah, there was lots going on. And I mean, some people, some people enjoy that, some people enjoy their being, you know, multi-man matches and what's going on. I can handle like one of them, but when you get to multiple ones like that, it kind of loses me. So, yeah, but I think the match was funnier than I thought it was going to be. I had more dredged than it ended up being in the end. So, yeah. And I think the, the crowd were, the crowd obviously were very into Moxley, especially his spot with the spike stuff sticking his head. What's sticking out of me then? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, but then we had, he kind of shared a Tony Storms today in Brick Bake on a foray for the women's title. And it's funny because there was no story going into this match, but the crowd were so into these women. And the entrances felt big time. You just thought, imagine there was a story. What would have happened? But, I mean, to me, one of the MVPs of the night is Sirea Knight Senior, who took the punch from Tony Storm and sold it, she'd been shot finned. I mean, what, she knew that was her moment on camera for sure. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. She was all in Brick Bake her ringside and then Tony Storm threw the shot and then Brick Bake moved and Storm hit Sirea in the match. She's mother and then Sirea's like, what are you doing? And that was basically led to Sirea, the rest. Sirea, he was the competitor following out with Tony Storm. And she, as you predicted, Kenny, she won and became champ. So it was a big moment for her becoming champion here. I'm sure she seemed quite moved by the whole thing. In fact, very moved by the whole thing. And I actually thought they worked pretty hard for the sort, in a half, nine minutes that it was. I thought they did well with the time they had. And I think, you know, we talked about last week as well. The decision should have been to put the belt on Sirea and they made the big choice, I think. Yeah, she did like the baby face turn in the match. So I mean, it all made sense there. Ruby Sawhor came out. She had a little moment. She got nailed and then she left. And, you know, this was presumably the outcast will split this week on Dynamite, I imagine. And maybe Sirea will defend against Tony Storm at in Chicago next weekend. So I mean, that would seem like a logical extension of what happened at Wembley Stadium to me. I mean, you kind of feel for Shida who's just had like a total nothing rain, but you know, that's her role, isn't it? She's like the transitional champion who passes it on to someone else. It seems to be her role. It just seems to be, you know, I mean, it's funny because later on in the press conference, Tony can't have been asked about why has been up more, why are there not more women's matches on all in? And he said, we know, I've booked Chris Dattlin and Ruby Sawhor for all out. And I think in his defense, I don't think there is another women's match right now that should be on the show. But I think that's more the indictment of him and that he should have made more stuff matter. You know, like, I mean, if it was me, they should have done somewhere Tony Storm, Tony Storm was the champ. She turned he on Sirea, kicked her out the outcast, and this was the big home town match. And then have, you know, Baker did a big graduate match with Cargill, because she's, you know, not done it since double and nothing. They have two big names in the company. So to me, they should have done two singles match like that. And I think that would have shot some people up who are frustrated at the lack of, you know, women's matches. Yeah, I think that would have made more sense if it had just been like Sirea versus Tony Storm. And Sirea had gone into this as, you know, babyface and it was like the grudge match. Since that's obviously where it's going anyway, that the outcasts are going their separate ways. And I think there would have been a lot more interest in it. And it would have been a bigger moment for Sirea and a bigger moment for the show. And really, I mean, she did just, you know, she was the babyface and she went into it as the champion and no one was really bothered about her, were they? So you kind of felt for her really, because I think, you know, if she was promoted as a stout and, you know, had some people behind her that were trying to make her a stout and trying to get her over and make us care about her and her stories. I think she really could be somebody. But yeah, anyway, it's the right outcome on the night. And this was, I'm sure the few biggest moments of Sirea's career course, because she was less than 80,000 people. She had the family there and everything. So yeah, I mean, good for her, you know, good for her. So then we had the coffin match, which was Darby Allen's thing, as Christian Cajun's Sirea of Strickland. We had a sting using Metallica's Seeking Destroy from the WCW Mayhem album, which they had licensed. And this was, you know, your kind of typical coffin match, loads of stuff in it. Sting was doing way more than you would think a 64-year-old man would do. And Darby and Sting, at the end, they went to the end to continue their, they've never lost as a team, apparently, in a match. They were 18 and all against us. So now the 19, uh, how did you think this one? Well, I mean, Sting and Darby should be challenging FTR, shouldn't me? Yeah, I would think. So maybe, and maybe that's the, you know, Sting's not able to have the big one-on-one match, if that's just not something he's able to do. I'm sure if he did FTR against Darby and Sting career in the line, that they, they would do everything in their power to make Sting look good. I'm sure they would. I'm sure they would be honoured to have a match with Sting, and probably be backstage volunteering Kenny to put him over. I mean, it's Darby versus, it's Darby versus Christian Cage, isn't it Chicago? No, it's Darby versus Litchesaurus. Oh, right, okay. I thought Christian Cage was facing him. No, because Litchesaurus is the TNT champion, but Litches, uh, Christian Cage walks about with all the time, is Darby and Litchesaurus right? Okay, all right. Okay, understood. I mean, maybe that was just wishful thinking Kenny. I think he was. Yeah, wishful thinking. But, you know, the, the, the alive this was, especially you, you're quite deep-entire show. That's went over really well, live. That's called the match. So yeah, I mean, it went, it played really well on TV. I mean, absolutely did. I mean, there was at one point they were both Allen and Sting donned jackets and blazoned in thumbtacks, which is a gimmick that Allen has used before. Sting used Rubber Cricket Bat. And, you know, there was, you know, Allen, Allen did a springboard moonsault with his hands, cello tape behind his back. I mean, and then he also did a dive outside the ring with his hands, cello tape, tape behind his back or massive, you know, duct tape behind his back. And now your McGinnis on commentary was just like, you could just hear him, you know, just thinking to himself, like, oh my God, I would never do that. I would never do that. Because it was wrong. My, you know, my, I can't put my arms down to protect myself. So, um, Luchasaurus came out to save Cage from being locked in the coffin. They had this massive great coffin, Kenny. Didn't it? It was enormous. Yeah, it was, it was huge. So, and then, uh, Nick when I got a little appearance and, uh, Luchasaurus beat him up, smashing into a skateboard and a Luchasaurus just carried him off. Um, Allen Coffin dropped himself onto Swerve. He was lying on the coffin and Swerve moved and Allen hit the coffin. That was actually really well timed. And the camera work on that was perfect. That was a really good spot. Um, and, uh, Sting were, Sting was in the, uh, Swerve got Sting in the coffin, uh, through the baseball bat in, uh, with Sting, but Sting prevented Swerve from closing the lid by placing the baseball bat in the way. And then Allen, uh, they got Swerve in the coffin and Allen Coffin dropped himself onto the coffin lid as Swerve was sort of between the coffin and the coffin lid. And then Swerve was just like devastated by this and then shoved him in the coffin and closed the lid and Sting and Allen won. So yeah, I mean, it was very well received on the night. I think it was different from even though there's a lot of crazy spots and objects and it was no, another no DQ match. And we were just about to have a, well, we're going to have another one later on the cat out in the Trio style match. Yeah. And I think this was sufficiently different from everything else that had taken place that it stood on its own merits and, you know, was memorable because it was different to everything else that took place. So yeah, I really enjoyed it. And I, you know, I'd like to see Sting and Allen, you know, I have that towel match or tag team towel match with FTIA having won all those matches as a team. I think that would make sense. And I think there'll be a lot of support for Sting to have that tag team towel run. Yeah, I think that would be the, the way to go if you can't go down the singles match, which I think when you watch it, I don't think he can do the singles match. I think it's probably where they haven't seen it because they do a very good job of, you know, one of Tony, one of Tony Khan's triumphs has been stung. It really has. He protects him, he looks really good. And also he never seems like he's like super seen over people. And it's, it's, it's, it's very impressive how they do it. So I'm sure that they'll have plans for him and his retirement. I hope there's FTIA. Yeah, I mean, but Sting never, I mean, Sting sort of did do that Superman stuff. And you did it here in this match as well, the North Selling. I think he knows all the chair shot. So he does do it, but it's not over the top. And it's just a sort of one spot in the match. But I think what they don't really well with Sting is they haven't overused him. And that was where they went wrong in TNA. And there were times when he was just sparingly. And he was more effective. But here in AEW, sorry, there was times in TNA where he was used sparingly, but then they started using him far too much. They were featuring him all the time. And that to me just diminished his appeal. And what AEW has done is they've never used, you know, they've only ever used him sparingly. And that's the way you use a guy in his 60s. We then had Chris Jericho versus World Osprey. Chris Jericho came up with Fauzi. And we'll move on from that since you don't need to see that. I think something nice to say. But what did you make of Jericho and Osprey? Well, the thing that I couldn't really understand about it was that Jericho turned baby face before this show, right? I am not imagining this, Salah Kenny. No, you're not imagining it. No. So he did. And we had Don Callis who was Will Osprey's manager and Don Callis is evil and he wanted to cut Chris Jericho's head off. And very early in this match, Jericho went heel and he worked the match as a heel. So I was like, why is this happening? Because Will Osprey is from England, well, shouldn't someone have anticipated that Will Osprey might be boo, might be cheered. So therefore, why would you turn Jericho baby face before this match, if he was going to play heel in this match? Yeah, I mean, I guess he just, the new going in, the Osprey was going to get cheered. I mean, you know, that's what was going to happen. And they decided to have one person play the hero role. You kind of got the sense after that that Jericho is going to be a heel given that he didn't want to talk to Sammy Gavada who was there for him. But he's just turned baby face. Yep. This is, you know, this is a bit worse than Vince Russo. Vince Russo did something like this. Thousands of words would be written about how terrible and idiotic and nonsensical he is. And I didn't really read too much about how certain nonsensical this was. So, well, Don Callis was a spare part ringside, was he? Because Will Osprey was play sickly playing the baby face. In fact, Sammy Gavara did almost nothing in the match from what I saw. Did I miss anything? No, no, I think he was, I mean, for once Gavada was playing the restrain role, he was just outside the acting facially to stuff he wasn't, he didn't get physically involved, which was strange. I mean, I guess he was just there for that final bit where he was trying to help him up. But yeah, the strange. I mean, I thought that I said that before this match, my favourite Will Osprey match was one that he had with Drew McIntyre when he was Drew Gowley and WCPW. Oh, yeah, yeah, you've talked about that one before. And I actually really like this one as well because he had to have a different style of match. And I think when Osprey has one that has a match that takes him at this comfort zone, that's where I think he's better. And I think he was able to do that here. I think Jericho tried really hard to do as much as he possibly could. And you know, I think that they they delivered as well as people would have expected it to be in Wembley, which is a hard, I mean, it was a hard bar to set because people, you know, it was going on near the end. It was in a top spot. But you don't really seem so much by this point. So much. So the typical AWP of you when, you know, about halfway in, you're like, my God, you know, we have been bombarding with so many images and noises and it's just sensory overlord. And that's what I was feeling by this point. I mean, yeah, I mean, it was Osprey one with a storm breaker. I think Jericho really did try here. I've got to give him credit for that. He was really going for it. And I think he would have been better in a tag match to be honest with you. I think he would have that would have been a better role for him on the show. So I mean, yes, some of it did look really scrappy. Osprey kicked out of his Judas effect. And Osprey, yeah, one with a storm breaker at the end. But yeah, the whole thing with, you know, because we talked about this before the show and we said, why didn't Jericho go into the matches of heel and then do the baby face turn at the end when Don Callis turned heel on him. You know, then he could have had that little moment afterwards, you know, with him losing and then he could have had this little baby face moment at the end. He played heel throughout the match. So Osprey would have been cheered and Osprey could have left. And Callis and Jericho could have done their thing. And then Jericho would have in the baby face for the American market and they could have done the rematch next weekend. I mean, we laid it all out. Didn't we, Kenny? We gave them the whole storyline. But yeah, I think that would have been better if the tournament happened during the match, for sure. It's funny when the coffin match was finished, I'd said to the people, I was like, there's no way that it's anything but Jericho and Osprey next. Because Jericho was not doing the death match before the main event. There's just no way he's going to do that. And you know, that's what ended up being House of Black against the acclaimed and Billy Gunn. And it was right before the main event. People were quite tired. But they still did give it, you know, a lot of oomps to crowd. They tried. And we had a Prince Andrew choke by Mattis Castler and he came out and did his rap, which, you know, you know, we're going to get something UK based. So we got that. And Billy Gunn, they claimed we're able to win this no holes bar match and win the trio's tiles. Yes. I mean, we had the strange sight. Didn't we have them doing the seismy timbers on Julia Ha? I mean, yes. Usually do not do moves on women. So I thought that was a bit odd. But, you know, that went down well. Mercedes money was in the crowd. That was quite something to see her there, wasn't it? Yeah, she was there. She did actually have a bit on like a recovery bit. And that's obviously why she's not able to do anything. You know, Tony Khan did say, let it only want her to be there. So I guess when she's cleared, we're probably going to see your name W in some way. You would imagine. Yeah. I God knows who she's going to work with. Good luck Mercedes. I mean, there was a one point in the match. Well, Brody came accidentally drilled black with a chain. And then Julia Hart dragged Aubrey Edward's the referee out of the ring as she counted Gunn's pin on Matthews. I think what would have been a really good spot there would have been. I mean, I know you could say, well, Aubrey Edward's, you know, she was a tension seeker. Don't put her in the spotlight fiddly. Don't give them any ideas. You know, she started calming down her expressions. So she's not tempted to steal the show in a match. But I think it would have been nice to have a little spot there where she shoved Julia Ha. You know, after Julia can't drag throughout the ring and just shoved Julia Ha over. And I think that would have got a huge pop if she had done that. Okay. I thought I did think they were going to do that at one point, but obviously they'd say not to. Maybe they just, maybe they just off. We give that to Aubrey. Our price is going to go up. She's going to want what we need to match. That's it. We've just, you know, we've turned to court fiddly. We've turned to corner with Aubrey. She doesn't want to be the center of attention anymore. Stop giving her any ideas. You know, so I mean, King kicked out the mic drop on one. Did you spot that Kenny? Yeah. I mean, I think we did kick out someone. They should be so spading that they mean something. And I just sort of really tings the guy I would have been wasting on one. I mean, absolutely no way. I mean, this guy's never going to be any over any more over the years. I mean, really, what was that? And then all three had to then beat him down. King. And then they did a second mic drop. But it's like, well, you've kind of ruined the efficacy of the mic drop. I have in this guy that no one's ever going to care about kick out on one. And I thought it was a really flat ending to what should have been a huge moment. And then afterwards, the house of black presented the belts, the acclaimed and badass Billy Gunn. I didn't see that coming. No. No, that was, I mean, you know, that was very unexpected. And I think they had this gone on second Kenny. People would have loved it a lot more than they did. Yeah. But then if it gone on second, we would have had to have the Golden Lovers near the end. And for my patience, that was good that we didn't. Which leads us into nicely the main event, MJF and Adam Coalf, the EW world title. Adam Coalf is going to regular entrance. MJF's got the devil entrance that he has. And they have this. Well, can I just say, you know, I mentioned earlier that I didn't really think they did enough, you know, to promote, you know, big special things. The MJF entrance, you know, that was pretty big. I mean, that was impressive, wasn't it? Yeah, it was fantastic. It was, I mean, it was, the entrance was topped here. They made him look like a million dollars. And so they have this match. And I mean, the match is kind of divided opinion, right? They go about 29 minutes. There's a lot of comedy in it. There's, there's kind of story stuff. There's a lot of different elements to it. Roderick Strong came out at one point and ended up kicking MJF in the balls and tried to get Cole to, when the ref was down, tried to get Cole to, because the whole story was MJF would not want to do the things to Adam Cole that he would have done before. Yes, he went to him, stolen him on the announce table, then Cole did it to him, got the dynamic diamond ring out if he wouldn't use it on him. So MJF's kind of not wanting to do any of this stuff. And then Strong comes up and kicks him in the balls, Cole does the pan on a sunrise and the knee, but the referee's down and then eventually the referee counts and MJF kicks out. And in the end, Strong again is trying to get Adam Cole to cheat and with the bell, and then Adam Cole's kind of distracted and he ends up telling Cole to leave any turns around and turn inside cradle with MJF wins. I mean, almost as devastating as the flu curl up. What is more devastating than the inside cradle or the fluke roll up? The fluke roll up Kenny, fluke roll up. You know, I mean, the kick out of like a million flying knees and spike paddle drivers, you know, baseball bats, cricket bats, going through tables, you know, falling from the, you know, you name it, falling from the great heights. We can always kick out of that, but not an inside cradle and certainly not a fluke roll up. So yeah, it was, you're right, there was a lot of comedy and this has divided opinion this much and understandably so. I mean, at the beginning, they both done their, you know, better than you, baby t-shirts, you know, to show their unity. I mean, they were after they are off girl now, the ring of unattracting champions. You know, they made out they were going to wrestle this clean match, but it was Cole who really, you know, was a sort of heel. And even actually the overt heel at times. Um, I mean, Cole did this brain buster on the ring steps at ringside and I just thought that was an unnecessary risk. Um, and MJF was selling that at ringside like he was, you know, KO'd for real. Um, and Cole was in the ring and the referee's cowing gets up to eight and thinking, right, Cole's going to go over to the referee in a second and he's going to stop the count. Because if he were to defeat MJF by Countdown, okay, win the match, but he wouldn't win the title. And he didn't stop the referee's count. So I thought that was, you know, inexplicable and MJF suddenly rose for the death and dived into the ring and beat the count. Um, so yeah, I, yeah, so MJF's shoulder was caught. Um, MJF, as we said, couldn't bring himself to tombstone. Adam Cole on the announced death, but then Cole did the same move onto MJF and at least after this one, Kenny, he shoved him back into the ring and made the cover. So that was a near fall. Yeah. It hit a double pin after they hit the double clause line on each other. So the match was, that was it. The match was start. The match was a draw. The referee presented the title to MJF. Um, but then also let's have five more minutes and MJF said, no, you know, we need to just see this one through to the end. So that got a big pop and the match was restarted. And then that led to, um, you know, we had like a rough bump and then MJF brought a chair in and they're throwing the chair to each other. And that was a bit weird as well. So it was like Cole was trying to get, um, MJF disqualified. But if MJF had been disqualified, then Cole would have won the match. But then, but he wouldn't have won the belt. So we had these two moments in the match where he wanted to win by Cowout and DQ. So I mean, if you start thinking about this on any great level, Kenny, it just unravels and just annoys you. You know what I mean? Yeah, because when I was alive, it was very fun and alive environment. But you're right. When you then think a bit later and go on with it, you know, that doesn't really make much sense. Um, see that they probably could have done some, they could have done a similar thing, but not had it that Cole would have been okay with the counter when or the DQ went. Yeah, there was all these weird elements. And before I, you know, Adam Cole was very, very clear, very direct. I'll do anything to win that championship. That's what it was all about him, the championship and, you know, not the win win in the belt. Um, you know, so we had this bizarre spot where, um, Cole hit his stochastic looking Panama sunrise on the referee. Uh, so that was the second ref bump. And that, uh, that, uh, was the green light. And that was the cue for Roderick Strong to come out. And I thought he would make an appearance and he kicked MGF in the nuts. That looked great. That looked tremendous. Cole and hit the boom went for the pin, but the referee was, you know, K old, um, and then Cole urged, um, sorry, strong urge Cole to use the towel bell as a weapon, but Cole refused to do so. And then that led to, you know, MGF surprising Cole with the inside cradle and he won the belt. Let me have some post match hijinks as well with strong involved with strong turn heel, you know, sorry, would, um, Cole turn heel on MGF. No, he didn't. He hugged it out. And it seems that MGF and Cole are united and Roderick Strong's very much on the outs without him Cole. Well, I don't think we've heard the last of this story, Kenny. In fact, we haven't, have we? So I'd be interested to see what happens this weekend at the pay per view. Will MGF team up without him cold to defend the ring of on the tag belts against Roderick Strong as somebody else? I'm not sure. I mean, something I didn't really notice lie because I couldn't see it was the, I thought the post match scene was excellent with MGF was kind of saying, you know, we've still got the tag titles and Cole's not happy. And then MGF says, you just wanted these belts, you just wanted this belt. You didn't care about me. And it's like, you know, MGF's been really genuine here. And then he's doing the thing that that Cole had done before, which is, you know, stand there, fit, you know, with his back to him, saying, right, do it, just hit me and put him in. And he doesn't do it. And MGF said, you didn't do it in the hug. And I actually think we did. I'm really happy they didn't do the turn here because they're going with what's working and what's really hot. And I don't know what the payoff is going to be because you do at some point have to have a payoff to this angle with MGF and Cole. But I mean, the crowd were very happy in the end with the two of them still being in the same page. So I don't really know what they're going to do, but I am intrigued to see what, because I mean, strong doesn't really have, you know, strong's not going to be facing them with like Mike, Ben or Matt Taven. You need somebody bigger than that. So, quote, strong, we need to find somebody I guess that would feel like a worthy opponent or worthy partner to face MGF and Cole if that's the way they go down. But then are they going to do that punk is not available for all out? Does that take away one of your bigger matches, whatever he was going to go up to? Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, that's it. I mean, I mean, if he's suspended, then surely he can't be at the pay-per-view this weekend. Yeah, I don't think so. So, I mean, I mean, we know discipline's a problem there and but I mean, Tony Khan's got to stick to this one, unless his investigation mysteriously concludes and punk is found of no-fung-fung guilty of no wrongdoing on Friday and can appear on collision on Saturday and then can appear at the pay-per-view on Sunday. Maybe that will be the outcome of it, Kenny. Yeah, maybe. I mean, we shall see. It'll be very interesting to see how Dynamite plays at tomorrow with the suspensions and with MGF and Cole. But what are your overall thoughts on Olin? Yeah, I mean, it was a big show. I mean, congrats to them for drawing that huge crowd. I mean, they made a point of saying that it was the largest worldwide paid audience for a wrestling show ever. So, I mean, that amused me because WWE has been saying forever that WrestleMania 3 through 9,373 and then was it WrestleMania 32? I think it was when he claimed that drew over 100,000. Kenny, was it 101,000? Yes, that's what he said. That was the claim. That was the claim. So, we know that WWE exaggerates its attendance but it's exaggerated that attendance by 20,000 even by WWE standards. That's a lot, isn't it? That's a very high percentage of exaggerated, you know, ticket sales. So, I mean, that amused me that they were going on about that. And I don't know whether WWE is going to react to that or it isn't. So, you know, congrats to them for drawing this huge crowd. And obviously, the venue could hold more. And like, they already announced something that Olin London will return to Wembley August 25, 2024. So, there's going to be another one which is, you know, really bold. I mean, they've proven that they can sell a massive number of tickets once. So, theoretically, they'll be able to do it again. So, yeah, I mean, you know, it just shows what an amazing market UK is, doesn't it, for pro wrestling? But it's, yeah, I mean, there was too much happened on the show. But I mean, you know, the thing is, it's AEW and you've got to get your AEW goggles on and you've got to get into the AEW mindset to enjoy the show. And people, you know, what was knocking the stadium stand peed much before, didn't mean to mention. It's not for me that type of match, just too much in it. But that's the standard that's been set for stadium stand, stand peed. This is what fans now expect from it, isn't it? Expect, you know, this massive amount of, you know, garbage sports and constant movement. And that's what people expect from that match. They need lots of blood, lots of people crashing through things, lots of objects, lots of props, lots of, you know, extracurricular activity. That's what it's all about. And if it was a scaled back straight, you know, stripped down version of that match, the AEW audience, and as we saw, the AEW as we saw the stadium, the AEW audience is really big. I think the audience would have been very disappointed. So it was geared towards the people who bought tickets to watch this show, that simple. And you know, when you actually put it, you know, in those terms, it was a success. And the show was obviously a success as well. Yeah, and so much so they've announced the return of AEW to Wembley next year, same weekend. Yeah. Which I think, I mean, see to be honest, if you sold this amount of tickets the first time, I think you probably should do it again, you probably should try to, and see if they can, you know, because if they sell 40 to 50,000 tickets in the first week next time, then it's a big success again. Yeah, you know, so, yeah, I think they did really well. I think it felt big when I was there. It felt like a big show. And I think they did enough to kind of make it, if you went to the show, you would go again. You would go to another one. So, um, but yeah, interesting. I mean, just want to also just give, you know, big congrats to the House of Black for their attribute to Bray Wyatt in their entrance. Yes, yeah, that was very classy as well, you know, the, I mean, Bray Wyatt, I kind of felt like he was on everyone's mind the whole weekend, you know, because I think we'd arrive in Thursday in London, and then you sort of hear that he's passed away in the Thursday night. And then, you know, Friday was the first day, and you know, obviously, people were asking, including me were asking Paul White about that because, you know, he was calling his reference friends, and that, that is the question that you ask. As part of one of those press after is, that's what being a journalist is about, which, you know, a lot of people don't understand, seemingly. But yeah, I think he's kind of on everyone's mind, sort of the whole weekend, and the tribute to Smackdown was really good. The video package WWE did for him was just amazing. Yeah, I can't always say good enough good things about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I could not agree more. It was, um, it was very moving. The whole, that whole, um, Smackdown, just seeing everyone on the stage was just like, it's like, it's like, you know, I've been to a lot of funerals in my life. And, um, I don't know why, but I have. And, um, sometimes it's not until you're actually there at the funeral, that you realize this person's no longer around. And obviously, I'm not going to be going to be white as funeral, but it was not until watching the tribute show with everyone on the stage, and people in tears. And that's the moment it really hits you. So, you know, very much like, you know, when you go to a funeral, and you're just like, yeah, this is real. You know, and this is somebody I've known. This is when I was related to this one, I've known for decades. And you kind of don't want to believe it. That's the reason, isn't it? That's the, that's, you don't want to believe this person really has gone. And then you have to face up to the reality they have. And, um, yeah, that was the, the Smackdown episode on Friday was just like, yeah, this guy, this guy's really no longer around. And yeah, really, really sad, Kenny, really sad. Yeah, when, um, when Triple H had tweeted out about it, there was kind of a period of a half an hour, and I thought, you know, God, I hope he's been hacked. Or something, you know, it's not real. It's not, it's not actually happened. Um, yeah, it's, it's so sad. But, um, like I said earlier, I think that from the, you know, obviously the family part is horrific, and we can only, you know, send best wishes to them. But I think from the wrestling perspective, you can see how much he means to people. You can see what his legacy is going to be. So, um, yeah, I think that's, that's a great thing. So we will be back on Thursday with the Parasand Talk with Raw, talk about the suspension drama. Uh, no real glass will be used in the making of Thursday's podcast. Um, but I mean, what a twerp. I mean, what a twerp, Jack Perry, just go. I know. And he's going around telling people backstage, he's going to do it. It's like, oh, yeah, you know, find it. You know, someone called to know what, don't do that. Someone should have communicated that back to someone in power. Got to once Jack don't do that. No, don't do that. If you do that, you won't have a job here anymore. You know, and then you do it. And it's just, I don't know. I don't know. Anyway, we'll talk about it more on Thursday. We'll talk about it more on Thursday. So yeah, we want to thank you for all your support, everybody. And we'll talk to you soon.

What's Going Down - August 29th 2023