What's going down?
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My name is Kenny, joined as always by Mr. Fenley Martin, Fenherry U today.
Kenny I'm doing all right, yes, we see the latest issue of inside the ropes magazine
yesterday, so three days before it went or goes on sale in the shop, so that was really good.
Yeah, lovely, it's always good to, you know, if you subscribe, you do.
A lot of the time get it a couple of days early, which, you know, it always feels a little bonus, so.
Yeah, it's a big issue, everyone, so please check that out on Thursday.
How are you doing Kenny? You're still in Ireland, right?
Yes, I'm in Dublin just now, and after this we're heading to Belfast,
but you know, it's been, it's been a really good tour so far today, the halfway point, and
yeah, every night I'm trying to make the shows very different, I have different topics,
and I think that is, I think people have been very complimentary, but that because
it's not, it's not just the same thing, like last night we were in Dublin and
Eric said, who listens, who here listens to my podcast, and like 90% of them put their hands up?
And in my mind, I'm thinking, well, shit, because all these people have heard so much stuff that
he said, or talked about, you know, see, you then got to try and get something that feels new,
or feels fresh, or feels interesting. You know, that's the challenge, so I've heard very good
reviews from last night, so I'm glad people are enjoying the attempt. So,
tonight we're in Belfast, and the topic tonight is Vince McMahon, sold out,
top of the Vince, so that should be pretty interesting.
Yes, I'm sure. You may have to tread carefully on a few topics.
Yes, yes, I'm going to do my best to duck and dive around some stuff, but
oh, yeah, you need your ballet shoes on Kenny for some men.
Subject, some of the subject matter.
But yeah, it should be good fun, so there are still very limited tickets left in London and
Glasgow, you go to itrstex.com to pick those up. This is his last tour of the UK and Ireland,
so if you want to come see him, this is the chance. It's interesting, he's very smart about,
you know, he came and did a turn 2016, it completely sold out like before he even got over here,
and this has done really well this tour, but it didn't sell out straight away, and he sort of said,
you don't want that to me, is the sign that he said, if people, if people have, you know,
grew up with WCW, then WO, if you want to meet me, you've met me by now, or you're going to
meet me here, and I don't want to be the person that keeps coming back with diminishing returns.
So yeah, there's a bit, you know, very healthy way to look at it, so we're going
out in a high, it's been a great tour so far, and I'm looking forward to the next few nights.
So we're going to talk about the WO releases, but let's talk about Smackdown first,
so Smackdown for this past Friday, and obviously there was some issues because
early night was going to be on the show, and then he contracted Covid, so he was not on the show,
but the big thread of the episode was about John Cena, and fighting the bloodline,
and AJ Styles becoming his partner, and then AJ Styles getting attacked, and the show ended
with Cena sort of being beaten down by the bloodline. So we've obviously kind of not seen it a
little bit in the last few weeks for his pantomame performances, but how did he do in this episode
for you in terms of getting you invested in seeing him and whoever his partner maybe go up against
the bloodline? I mean, let's be honest Kenny, I've been knocking Cena for about 18 years.
Yes, he has. It's probably longer. Yeah, so Cena welcome people to another sold out
episode of Smackdown, and AJ Styles came out, and AJ suggested that the team we've seen
against the bloodline, and then Jimmy Uso and Solosco walked out, but then they retreated,
and then Cena and Styles wanted the match and asked Adam Pearce to make it backstage, and
Pearce said that he would speak to Paul Heyman, and that then led to the show closing segment
that you've just mentioned, the contract signing, and Cena went to the ring first, he signed
the contract, and meanwhile backstage, the camera's whistler's backstage, and Jimmy was beaten
down AJ, and then you know, threw him behind these boxes, and then Solos was standing on top of
Adonahal, how high it was, quite high 10 feet in the air maybe, and he leapt off some boxes,
supposedly onto AJ. We didn't see the point of impact, which is obviously sensible, because AJ
wouldn't have been there, and Solos would have just landed on a nice comfy, safe crash mat,
and everything would have been fine, and then we had all a commotion, and everyone running in,
and oh, AJ, oh, you know, and then John Cena was like, horrified, and ran backstage,
and Cena got there, and he took charge, Kenny, he just took charge of everything, didn't he, Cena?
You know, all these other people were running around like headless chickens, Cena just brought
this sense of calm, and AJ was putting a stretcher, whist-faxed, placed in an ambulance,
Karl Anderson said to Cena, I warned him, don't get involved in bloodline business,
but he wouldn't listen, so we had the, I told you so from Karl Anderson, God knows where that's
going, probably to a, I imagine he's leading to an AJ Styles, Karl Anderson match, and then
that'll probably lead to Karl Anderson being released, so, looks to be him. So then Jimmy and Solos
went back to the ring to Glow about what they'd just done, and Paul Heyman was there as well,
Cena ran out, he attacked Jimmy and Solos, but he was outnumbered, and they really laid him,
laid him out, did Jimmy and Solos, absolutely beating, small and spike,
user splashes, and Cena just sold forever, and the line on commentary that was quite interesting
was that Cena doesn't have a partner for the fast lane tag match, so it's someone going to
replace AJ Styles, Kenny, what did you think? I mean, I assume it's going to be early night,
if he is healthy enough to do it, which for early night, even if Cena puts in, I mean spoiler,
I thought Cena was, I just, I don't think he was up to par on this episode, I think the issue
is the bloodline stuff is kind of struggling anyway, and I don't think Cena is, at that point in
this career, has got enough NM, or enough interest to carry the story. No, I agree, he just feels
like a nostalgia act, he's just, he reminds me of Trish Stratus when Trish returned at the beginning
of the year, and then Trish realized that she wasn't bringing it, and she recognized that this
was an opportunity to do something special, and she applied herself and came with a new character,
and did different things, and it's the same old Cena only, you know, a watered-down version
of the Cena that some people liked, obviously, I didn't, but some people liked John's one at
time, and it just, it just feels like he's not really, he's hard, it's not really in it,
and he's just sort of almost like a parody of himself, I mean, the character is kind of a parody
of a wrestler anyway, but it's like even worse now in 2023, I mean, at least he took a beating
in himself, Jimmy, I mean, you know, but then it's like, I mean, nothing's seen,
it's convincing, it never has been, but I mean, it's going to lead to a tag match, and you
write, probably LA Night, you know what, Fast Lens like October 7th, so presumably Night will have
recovered from Covid by then, I hope so, and it should be with Timmy Cena in the match.
Yeah, I mean, that's next weekend, that match, so I'm sure LA Night will be ready, and I was,
what I was going to say was I think that even though Cena is not really bringing it that much,
I think it will be good for LA Night to be in a team with Cena and win the match, if he, if he can,
if he's there to take the fall, that's a different story, not great, but even the bloodline stuff
is like you know, Jimmy. I think, I think Night and Cena will go over, especially after the
severity of the beatdown on Smackdown on Friday, the faces have to go over, and I'm not sure if
I really like the sound of this, but I think Night is heading in the direction of Roma Reigns.
I'm not sure if this is going to be good or bad for Night, possibly bad, but I think that's the
direction of travel for Night. Yeah, I think you're right. So elsewhere on Smackdown, we did have
a segment which I really enjoyed actually, and it was Alba Fire and Ayla Dawn, and they
basically told us that they have cursed the women's tag titles, and that's why there's been so many
problems. And I mean, it's probably the best book and suggestion they've had in a while,
because it finally explains this you know, unexplainable curse that these titles seem to have,
but it's a, I think it was a nice way to kind of reintroduce them and you know, make them feel
at part of the show. Are you happy to see them? Has given a bit of time? Yeah, of course I was,
yeah, I mean, I suggested actually the last month's issue of the magazine that they should have
been made champions when Sonja Deville suffered the injury, after she suffered the injury,
and I just think this Chelsea Green and Piper Niven tag team and the way about, the way they went
about making Niven core champ, I just think the belts are now like at the level of the 24-7
tile. To me, they're just ready for the scrap heap. So I mean, something needs to be done to,
you know, restore some credibility and dignity to this championship, because it's just a clown show
at the moment. So I hope this leads to an albafaya and Eilador match with Niven and Chelsea Green,
and then becoming champions. And yeah, it was a fairly simple thing for them to concoct, and
I was really pleased to see them back on TV again, even if it was in like a preta video. And yeah,
I mean, they must be relieved, because they think, well, our heads are the chopping block here.
Our our career's cursed. Are we going to join all those people who've been, you know,
axed and sent back in? Because we're not doing much at the moment. And if you're not doing anything,
then that puts you on the endangered list, doesn't it, Kenny? Yeah, it's not a place you want to be,
not a place you want to be. Also, this might then we had the Remi Studio and Santos Escobar
getting the win over the Street Profits, which led to Bobby Lashley being a very upset
that they that you know, the studio got the win for the team. Lashley says backstage that
he wants to sit us back. He wants everything back, if they can't get the job done. So,
they're telling a story here that the Street Profits and I guess going to that might give them
a reason to show more aggression than they've shown so far. So I'm into it. Yeah, well, what happened
was behind the referee, Bobby Lashley was at ringside for the match Street Profits first, his
Mysterio and Escobar and Lashley behind the referees back a choke slammed Ray onto the ring apron
and then, you know, indicated to Angela Dawkins who was a legal man at the time. He go, you know,
he's he's ready for you to defeat him and Dawkins instead of pouncing and capitalizing
on Lashley's interference immediately, he paused and in the meantime, Ray recovered and then he
ended up scoring like, you know, flute pin on Dawkins and the Street Profits were stunned,
what's just happened. Lashley was furious and I've just gifted you this victory over Ray Mysterio
and you just threw it away by not acting swiftly and often. Lashley went backstage and then that
led to the conversation between Lashley and Street Profits. He gave him a dressing down.
He said, well, listen lads, obviously you can use that language. He said, listen, you know,
if you can't get the job done, I'm going to find someone who can. So yeah, it's a story line that
see where it goes and, you know, all the time you think, well, that was a setback for the Street
Profits, but it actually might end up being a really good thing for them. And then the last thing
from SmackDown I was going to ask you a bit was the Ascan Eurstein match. They were given a lot of
time and I was curious to see what you thought of it. And yeah, they made a big production of
the introductions. Charlotte Flair walked out before the match got underway and she sat a ring
side to watch. I thought it was quite telling that they didn't put her on commentary, but there
again, I guess you could say, well, they've already got three commentators on SmackDown. They don't
need a fourth and they don't even need three. Let's be honest, never mind four. So she sat a ring
side and she got involved at the end and it was like she took out Bayley and as Charlotte Flair did so,
Asco was distracted and that enabled the sky to smashing to Asco with his running knees and then
hit the over the top moonsault for the pin. I thought it was a good match. I like the way that
there was a lot of basics at the beginning, like head locks and, you know, arm ringers and things
of that nature. One thing that was slightly annoying was Asco used a lot of like arm locks and
submission holds and Sky didn't sell her arm during the match. She did sell the arm after the match
and I just, you know, to me, that just sort of sucked the life out of the match. It's just like,
well, if you sell in the arm, then, you know, that's your weak point. Asco can target here and you've
got that connection there with the match story. So I couldn't understand why she didn't sell the arm
as the match was in progress and I thought that was a bit of a fail really by Sky. I'm going to
enjoy the match. To be honest with you, Kenny, I expected more from it. I wanted more from it. I
thought it was good. You know, and you're somebody who I always thought was tremendous in NXT and she's
never matched that level of performance on the main roster yet in my opinion and maybe that
level of performance is no longer in them. Maybe she's just not capable of it anymore or maybe
there's a reason why maybe they're telling her not to be as good as she was. I don't know. I mean,
weird things happen in WWE. Sometimes when wrestlers go from NXT to the main roster, something gets lost
in translation. Something gets lost on the journey. So yeah, good match, but I was expecting it to
be better. Kenny given them out of time. You know, they gave it. It was loads, wasn't it? I mean,
they were out there for a long time and this felt like a big match. This was the main event of the show
basically. Wasn't even in the main event slot. This was the biggest match on the show.
Yeah, they got like 20 minutes. And I can echo what you say. I think I thought it was good, but I was
I was hoping for more of a classic that so we'll see if they revisit it and if they can do it
in line. But earlier in the week, obviously Friday, it was SmackDown, but WWE did release a lot of
talent last week and we should go through. We predicted this. We talked about this last week
that it was going to happen and it happened either that day or the next day, didn't it?
Yeah, so there was there was various people that were released. Later on, it was confirmed that
Matt Reddle is no longer with WWE, but I mean, it felt like, you know, we saw this coming
from all of this previous issues to the incident at JFK airport in terms of how it was handled.
That it felt like Matt Reddle, they were never really going to properly
push him again because of certain reasons. So it felt like I felt this was probably going to happen
at some point. Did you foresee Reddle going or was that a surprise to you?
No, not a surprise at all. Totally predictable. I mean, I think we said the word,
use the words last chance saloon after his suspension at the end of last year. I know I wrote
them in my, what else is going down column. And that was his last chance. You know, he suspended.
There was things said in public about him. He was embarrassing the company, which is what it's
all about. I mean, okay, you can say, you can start, you know, saying, well, the rules are different
for different people. Well, they have been in the past. Well, the rules are pretty much equal
for most people now. And if one of the really big names was causing havoc outside the ring,
or creating not causing havoc or creating a bit of being involved in situations that were
embarrassing the company, that would be a problem. It would definitely be a problem. I remember
Randy Orton, 20 years, well, nearly, well, not 20 years ago, mid 2000s, 2004, 5, 6, things kept
happening. Didn't it Kenny outside the ring? And you know, he would have been fired, had he not
so respected, but he was suspended. And there was lots of problems with him. And
just for plenty of action was taken many times. And eventually, you know, he realized that he
couldn't continue to behave in the way that he was. And he changed his ways. And you can say about
then that Randy was younger, which of course he was, he was in his mid 20s. And so, you know,
it was excusable riddles now in his mid 30s. He's got this track record from UFC have been
problematic, joins WWE, you know, it does well. I mean, a bit of a polarizing figure, a lot of
people don't like him, don't like his act, don't get him. A lot of other people think he's really
talented. I always thought it was very talented guy. And I always thought he could have done so much
more than he did. And but he's biggest enemy was himself. And when that suspension happened last
year and they brought him back. And you could see that he was going to have to earn their trust
by the way they were booking him. And you know, that's the way it works, isn't it Kenny there?
You've got to prove yourself again. And then we had the incident, you know, to JFK, which we talked
about previously on the podcast. And we don't really know what happened. Well, we know what's
been alleged, but obviously we don't know what's happened there. But it wasn't so much what happened.
It was the fact that Riddle went on Instagram and posted about it. It's like you don't do that.
You know, that's just a problem. And he posted a picture of the police officer who he alleged
of, you know, doing things that he shouldn't have done. You don't do that if you're a WWE star.
I mean, it's just going to cause problems. And it's just bad for your reputation. It's bad for
a company's reputation. And you know, you need to conduct yourself as a professional. Keep things
quiet. If there's a problem, go through the proper channels and address it that way. But not
like some neurotic teenager by doing a, you know, rash post on social media. So no, as soon as he
do that, he did that Kenyanya. It was over for him. You know, that suspension him. I mean, he could
have sat in, you know, last year, let's be honest. I think had he been less over than he was,
he wouldn't have been brought back. He would have just been sacked last year. But the
broading back thing, this is a guy who's got a lot to contribute to this company. He did really
well in the team with Randy Orton. You know, yeah, that amazing match with Roman Reigns. You know,
let's give him another chance. Let's see if our message to him, this two month plus suspension
or whatever it was. It was about two months wasn't he with suspended. I think it was Kenyanya.
Yeah, about that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, let's just see if he gets the message here. And evidently,
he didn't. So yeah, he, he really had to go. So, but I mean, I, you know, I've, I wrote on
Facebook the other day, it's like, you know what, if there's no further incidents with him,
wherever he ends up next, he could return to WWE in years to come. But it's up to him to prove
that he's not that guy anymore. So it's entirely down to him to basically just so himself out, Kenyanya.
Yeah. Well, I'm just going to go through some of the other bigger names that were like, like,
Dolph Zegler was one that a lot of people were talking about. I know he's been quite
steel for a long time. But I mean, to me, in some ways, it feels like this is going to be the
best thing that could happen to him. Well, it's definitely only a long time. Maybe, he'd been in the
WWE system for 19 years. Yeah. Since November 2004. So that was when he debuted for the WWE.
And like, he did, I mean, how much he was making a lot of money for doing nothing. I mean,
the longer you work there, the longer you work there, your, your money is going to go up,
he's 10 years. Yes. If you're not, if you're not an idiot. So you've got a sim, he was on
the high sex figures. I would say so. Yeah. For, I mean, nice work if you can get it. Not even working.
You know, only huge money or being not earning, being paid huge money for doing literally,
literally nothing. I don't even think he was making personal appearances. I haven't heard his name
mentioned in months. No. No. I mean, do you think he's, is he someone you expect to see turn up
somewhere else? Do you think there's more, there's still value in him that he goes and does something
else in wrestling? Yeah. Well, it means 43. I mean, but I mean, he looks good for his age. He's in
great shape. I don't think he's far as I know he's, he's not carrying any serious injuries.
He needs a new name. Obviously, he's going to have a new name because Dolph Sigler's property
at WWE and that would be the best thing for him getting a new name. He needs a new, he needs a new
gimmick. He needs a new approach to, to his character. But I think AEW would take him.
I think he could do something there. And impact certainly would. I don't know whether they
could afford him or not, but impacted certainly taking. I mean, I'm not sure who else would. I
mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, it was not going to be struggling for work. I'm sure he'll do well
on the convention circuit. I mean, let's face it financially, unless he's been a complete idiot.
He should be set for life anyway, shouldn't he?
Yeah, you, you would, you would think so. I mean, Matt Hardy as an example,
Matt Hardy was saying recently on social media that he's, like, he's got millions of dollars
that, you know, saved. He's fine. He never needs to do that. And again, he doesn't want to. So
you can absolutely save your money and have lots of it if you're smart with it. So Sigler could
be, could be pretty well off. I think he's, I thought, yeah, he looks really good for his age. So
Mustafa Ali was another one who was obviously, I think he was the first one that actually announced.
Yeah, I mean, that was the one that did surprise me because he's been doing a lot in NXT and doing
well there. He was advertised for the match at Nomea City coming up with Dominic Mysterio.
Yeah, that was a surprise. That was the only surprise to me on the list. Well, step from Ali,
I thought, you know, I thought, well, he's, he's got himself in a best shape of his career. He's
doing playing a different character. He's been doing some really good things in NXT. So that was
the one surprise. And so, but I think he's somebody who will also do well elsewhere. And maybe he
needs to go somewhere else to reinvent himself and come back. I'm sure he's young enough. He never
really took him seriously into WWE. That was his problem. They never saw him as a big star. So I
think he's young enough to go away, you know, find himself, do all the things and potentially come
back in a few years time to WWE. If he wants to, if he wants to, of course.
Um, I'll just read out some of the other names and see if there's anybody you want to talk about.
We had Mason Mansour who are gone, Dana Brooke, top dollar,
Ridic Moss, Elias, Elyah, Emma, Emma, Emma, Rick Boogs and Shelton Benjamin,
were the kind of bigger names. So there's no girls in that list that surprised you.
Is there anybody on that list who you think, who'd, who'd go somewhere else where it's
impacted you, whatever, and have a chance? Um, I mean, Rick Boogs, I mean, they seem to like him
the first time around. Then he suffered that really bad injury at WrestleMania,
LAR 2022. And he returned to the game in this little push as this sort of, you know, outrageous
character. I mean, it didn't, it wasn't a hit with either you or me, Kenny, was it the Rick Boogs
character? No, I mean, just this bizarre comedy figure. And, um, yeah, they're very quickly lost
interest in him. I'm not sure where he's going to end up. I have no idea. I mean, Dana Brooke
was doing some good stuff in NXT. Um, she did like a really good match with, uh,
Korajade, probably best match of her career back in July and NXT. And she'd been, um,
booked with Clarnie Jordan. Um, and she was doing all right, but I mean, she wasn't really going
to be figured in it in any big plans. She was kind of winding down her career, but she'd been in
the system for 10 years. And she put out a really nice message, didn't she about WWE? Yeah.
And how it been, there's like this family to her and, and it been, you know, an amazing life
change and experience for us. So she seems, you know, very gracious about what she did there
and the whole experience. And, you know, she'll be able to do the convention circuit and make
really good money as a result of her years on WWE TV. And the same applies to all of those people.
I mean, top dollar, they gave up on him really quickly. So that's no surprise. Um, same with Emma,
I mean, he gave her a chance. She didn't really sizzle in the ring. Um, you know, mad cat,
Moss, Ridic Moss, they lost interest in him as well a long time ago. So I think that was, he
must have seen that coming. Um, Mason Mansoire. Oh, sorry, Massay and Mansoire. I mean,
they were a lot fun, but I mean, once LA night was detached from the group, you know, once, um,
Maxine DePri went over to the Alphas. I mean, they were pretty much scuppered, weren't they?
So it's a shame because I thought they could have done a lot of fun stuff, but, you know,
I'm not quite sure why it didn't happen for those guys. I think they could have been a lot
fun in NXT. So I can't say I'm surprised that they were, you know, axed, but I am disappointed
because I think they had a lot more to give the company. Um, I mean, did you see Rick Bugs comment
on his YouTube channel? No, what is it? Some day he'd asked him about
what, you know, why, why his push start to ever? And he said that 100% Vince leaving
told his career. So he, he basically, uh, made it at Vince with his big supporter. Vince was his
big sort of champion. And once Vince was gone, I guess, the new regime didn't really see as much
Bugs as Vince did, which is interesting because you know, the narrative sometimes is that Vince
is still calling all the shots and Evan goes through him, but I guess, you know, maybe Vince,
while he is still making the ultimate decision, he's not doing, you know, the day-to-day every
bit of creative thing. And people like Bugs who Vince really liked, maybe just aren't really
looking, but yeah, it was just interesting to hear him say that. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it was definitely
like a Vince-type character, bodybuilder character. Um, you know, you can see why Vince would find him
would be amused by him. You can see why Vince would just find him really funny. He's going out
there, just making an idiot of himself. And Vince always had a soft spot for characters like that
as we know. Um, I don't know what's next for Rick Bugs, so I couldn't tell you. I have no idea
what's next for Rick Bugs. He's, um, I mean, I mean, again, you know, he's got that stardom from
WWE, so he's probably going to be able to make money somewhere, but he doesn't really strike me
as an AEW type wrestler. No. And I think he would, I think very quickly, he would, you know,
I mean, even Dolph Ziegler, who we talked about earlier, if Dolph went to AEW, I think the challenge
would be there's so many people, how is he going to be able to, you know, get above that level
and that's Ziegler, so when you get to something like Bugs, I mean, the only chance he'd have as if
he was put with someone who is an established act, and he's, you know, with them, but otherwise,
I think because he's in trouble. I do wonder with Emma, maybe she ends up back in impact again.
Maybe that's possibly, possibly, yeah. Something she could do, but yeah, I mean, obviously it's
a shame when anybody loses their job, but you know, these, these releases were going to happen
because they have so many people and you can't push everybody and I think everybody on the list,
I can understand why from a business perspective, you kind of go, I don't think this is going to
work out with these people because, you know, it's not like anybody let go is,
was going to change, change any numbers or make anything go up or down.
Yeah, I mean, was it you, was it you, Leon, in NXT?
Yeah, you lost the Leon, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I thought she was a really good talent, but
I mean, I didn't really see star sings in her and, you know, she was, she was good, but there's
lots of people in NXT who you can see more star potential in and that's the problem. I mean,
so it is a high bar. And if you're being brought up to the main roster and you're just blending
into the background almost immediately, you're already in trouble, I think. And it's like, you
don't have that big personality or you're not, you know, outstanding in the ring. And I mean,
to be honest, I thought they might get rid of more than they did. I thought it was quite a few
people that I thought would lose the jobs that didn't. Like Apollo Crews is still there.
I'm amazed. Like I thought for sure, Dabakato, he was sacked as well, wasn't it?
Yeah, Dabakato and Shanky would also let go from, yeah.
Ekimin Jaro, Ekimin Jaro, who was in NXT as well. He was on NXT 2.0 quite a lot.
And that was on, he was one, but yeah, I almost thought there was going to be more of releases
at some stage. They just don't want to do everybody in one day.
No, I mean like a Zaya Lee, for instance. I mean, she's now, they don't believe in it.
I mean, she's never going to make it on the main roster. She's like main event material.
I mean, the TV show, man. Not the spot on the card.
So I mean, I think there's a few more, I wouldn't surprise me if like another 10 or 12 people
will let go within the next few weeks. I think it's quite a few more people who
should be worried about receiving that phone call.
Yeah, what is it, Matt Cardona, who took a tweet about the situation and he sort of said,
you know, to the people who, that's the time to promise you, if you work really hard,
there is money to be made in the endies. And there is a way to make a name for yourself,
but it is, it is very tough and you need to sort of really put in the time, put in the miles.
And it will be interesting to see from this list who decides to do that.
Because for people like Shelton Benjamin, who's a bit older, he might just decide, well, that's
that I'm not going to wrestle full time anymore. I'm going to just do, you know, conventions,
and you don't have a child who has had a convention, so I could as world's greatest tag team or
something with Kurt Angle. But for guys like Elias, Riddick Moss, Mason Mansoor, you know, maybe
did they decide to go to the endies? Did they decide to wrestle again?
It will be interesting to see who goes where?
It will, yeah, I mean, Shelton Benjamin, I mean, it looked like they were going to put the
hurt business back together, didn't they? Was it a few months ago? Now maybe it was more than a
few months ago. Now it did really look like that was in the offing and then the obviously changed
direction. It didn't happen for them. And he was, I mean, he was never going to do anything there.
He just wasn't, he wasn't going to do anything more than you'd already done. I mean, Elias,
I mean, he gave up on him a long time ago. And I think some of these people can't be bitter,
because, you know, they've received, they've been paid for really literally doing nothing in
some cases. And, you know, if you're getting involved in a wrestling business, the first thing you
should do is you should learn the wrestling business. And like, study it and work out what might
happen or what probably will happen. And you've just got to accept that this is the way it is.
And especially if you're a marginal player that doesn't, that's not figured in the plans.
And certainly when they announced back in April that this merger was going to take place,
you know, we all knew. And anyone, certainly everyone who worked there, WWE, should have known,
but they were going to be cuts. And of course, there has been. And I'm not saying it's right or wrong.
I mean, in some cases with talent, I think it's right because if you've got dead weight there,
you know, people who just, you know, basically done all they're going to do, it's time for them to
move on and do something else because there's plenty of other people in developmental and other
companies, you know, who want to come in and, you know, have their spots and enrich the TV show.
I mean, for the entertainment value as well, you know, we as viewers, we don't want to see the
same thing over and over again. If it's not interesting, do we, Kenny? It's that simple.
Yeah, exactly. So I mean, yeah, it's a shame because you feel like when somebody loads their
job as you want to be very respectful, that, you know, our job is also to cover wrestling and to talk
about the people who come, the people who go. So yeah, but we'll see if any of the names on this
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