Pittsburgh Steelers Release Arthur Maulet | Top Free Agent Needs | Slot Cornerback vs Backup Edge/LB
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The Steelers let go of their slot corner wreck Arthur Mallet.
So what does that mean?
Well, we're going to talk about their free agency needs and what moves they can make
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Mike, it's great to have you back this morning.
You know, we all, well, it looks neat not this morning.
We are recording on Wednesdays.
So technically people are hearing you some Thursday, but Wednesday morning, we all woke
up.
And then all of a sudden the Steelers announce, Arthur, let's get getting released.
And that kind of breaks things up a little bit.
And not that our losing Arthur, my light is losing like TJ water, make it Patrick or a
superstar in the team.
But he was one of really only two slot corners since they signed Chandon Sullivan during
the draft that they had on the roster.
And this indicates to us that maybe there's they got they have a different plan there.
What's your read on to how the Steelers are going to handle this?
Yeah, my read of the situation from what I've heard and from what I've been digging through
and reporting is it was actually his decision, Arthur Mallette's decision.
Interesting.
And he was the one that asked for the release from what I understand there was he was looking
for a little bit more security.
He was going into the final year of his deal, looking for a little bit more money, maybe
a little bit more term.
And they ultimately decided, you know what?
I think that he could get it better elsewhere.
So, you know, I'm curious where that puts the Steelers as you mentioned because they were
already kind of thin at this position.
I was not completely sold on the guy that they got during the draft that they signed,
Chandon Sullivan.
You know, I know that he's has starting experience, but it wasn't like he was lighting things
up for the Vikings, especially in coverage.
So that now looks like a glaring hole or a position that they'll need to address in some
form or fashion.
It does look like that.
And now it pokes into a bigger question that I think still exists now that's existed since
the NFL draft.
What else might the Steelers do in free agency?
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Here's Randy asking a very question about that.
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This is Randy.
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I was wondering what do you think the Steelers need to do as far as one addition after the
draft?
What position?
What personnel?
What free agent?
What do you think the Steelers need to add to make us that chef's kiss?
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We don't always get chances to answer questions here because we're pretty busy.
But Mike, to answer Randy's question, I think slot corner becomes a much more obvious thing
here.
But also when you look at the Steelers off-ball linebackers, you have a Landon Roberts, you
have Cole Holcomb, you have Mark Robinson and you know, they got some guys, you know,
in the, you know, they'll be like special teamers, but no one else stands out to me there.
That's like, oh yeah, definitely that's the guy I want being the cover off-ball linebacker.
All those guys are more run stuffers.
What's a bigger priority for you right now?
Getting a slot corner that you absolutely believe in or getting a cover linebacker who
can kind of double in that role?
Well, can I say the answer is both because I think that they probably should.
I think slot corner after today becomes a more pressing need just because I imagined
Arthur Mallett as the starter or at least the second guy on the depth chart.
Now I really look at it as only one guy unless they move somebody into a different position.
But at the same time, the off-ball linebacker position is very important on this team.
And what concerns me, or I guess the question I have in terms of the depth is you have one
guy in Cole Holcomb that they believe is a three-down guy who has the coverage ability
that you need in the modern NFL to play inside linebacker.
But the other two, a land in Roberts and Mark Robinson, they're that traditional downhill
type of thumper.
So if Cole Holcomb gets hurt, you know, injuries happen in the NFL or on third downs, if you're
taking the land in Roberts off the field, who are you putting onto the field that's capable
in coverage?
And that's where I wonder, are they deep enough at that position?
And that's why I wonder maybe, you know, if they do add somebody, I'd like it to be a
guy that specializes in coverage.
Even though it's a difficult thing to get, I think I would prioritize that kind of skill
set.
Is it possible that they're setting it up so that another one of their players bumps into
that slot role?
Because you look at their cornerback situation right now.
We were all, we're all presuming Patrick Peterson's your number one starter.
You know, you've drafted Joey Porter Jr. so you're probably assuming he's going to jump
in there.
He's more of an outside guy.
But you have guys like James Pierre who have kind of just worked their way up the roster,
you know, made sure that they were good on special teams.
And he's kind of just been a guy that you plugged and played a little bit.
Levi Wallace, a veteran who brought in, and Akela Witherspoon, another veteran that you
brought in, or do you even go the safety route and say, Hey, Keanu Neal, get down in there
in the slot, kind of be the big slot, you know, big nickel type of option, or even like,
you know, I've heard rumors that they're not rumors, but ideas floated around that Corey
Trice could be asked to try to be like that big nickel option.
What do you think is the better option for if they were to look on their roster right
now to say, Hey, let's try this at least in mini camp and see how this goes before we
make a full on decision about who we going to go get.
You brought up a lot of good names there.
And I think there are going to be situations when they do move Keanu Neal into the box.
And he's essentially that, you know, nickel or big nickel kind of guy.
I also wonder about the Monte KZ because think about the role of the slot corner position
on this team.
Think of how much they blitz and it seemed to be really up the alley of KZ in terms of
being maybe a small, shifty guy who also has physicality to his game.
I don't know that he has any experience playing slot corner, but if I'm just thinking of an
archetype of a player, I can imagine him succeeding in that role.
So, you know, I still believe that they'll probably have to go out and continue to add
depth to that position group.
But that's an idea.
I also wonder, I mean, I don't know if guys like Levi Wallace or Akela Witherspoon have
any experience playing inside and playing the slot because, you know, definitely Levi
Wallace got better as the year went on.
He had four interceptions last year, but he's looking right now probably on the outside
looking in what she'll report develops.
I do wonder if he has the ability to round out his game.
Maybe even if it's situationally, maybe when you're playing against the Ravens, you've got
Keanu Neil in the box, you know, essentially playing that role.
Maybe when you're playing the Cincinnati Bengals and they're spreading you out, you put Levi
Wallace in the slot.
Maybe he's capable in that ability.
But I don't know.
We'll have to wait and see.
We'll have to wait and see.
And there's also the flexibility that you talked about earlier with guys being more just
playing down downhill and being aggressive to stop the run and rush the quarterback Arthur
Mallett according to pro football focus rush the quarterback 32 times last year, Terrell
Evans 18 times when you looked at it, make up its Patrick 12 times.
And it didn't always hit.
You know, make up its Patrick was blitzing when, you know, the Steelers gave up a really big
touchdown pass to the Buffalo Bills, but you know, Arthur Mallett also put pressure on
Joe Burrow on a play where it was a ended up in a big third downstop and overtime that
eventually led to the Steelers victory in the in the opening game of the season.
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Mike, want to ask you a little bit about this too because from the Omar consci and this
was kind of what Randy was getting at.
Like everyone was super excited about the draft.
Oh, this was a, you knock this off the park.
You got this guy.
You got to admit all your needs.
You got great value.
The Steelers have been aggressive in just making sure that they got their guys so far.
They traded up a little bit to get product Jones.
They made the chase Claypool trade to get the pick to end up being Joey Porter Jr.
They have been savvy with a lot of moves this off season and you guys got to talk to Andy
Wydell at the end of last week about part of the plans that led into that.
So it would lead me to believe that if they're letting go Arthur Marlette and that's part
of what their plan is right now and yes, he requested it and that's part of, he's wanting
to go prove himself and get a more secure contract.
That's fine.
But something tells me the Steelers aren't just going to take this line down and they're
going to be proactive whether than reactive to letting him go and finding someone before
the season is going to open up and then they realize, oh wait, this is a big problem at
the slot corner of that position.
Yeah, I think so.
If nothing else, even if you feel like Chandon Sullivan is the answer at that position, you
could really use some depth.
And so if nothing else, I think that either moving somebody into that role that's currently
on the roster or going out and finding somebody who's not on your team that can fill that
responsibility, I think would be wise.
Yeah, I feel you.
That's definitely what we're probably looking at right now is finding someone to do that.
But there's also other questions as far as free agency go.
One of the big positions I think that they could also address, even though they drafted
a Nick Herbig, is backup edgerusher as much as people might be excited for Herbig to fill
in.
He's a Wisconsin guy.
He worked out with TJ Watt.
Everything brings about him.
You feel like you still want an experienced guy coming off the bench, helping TJ Watt,
helping Alex Highsmith, getting things going there.
And there's a few guys out there.
Now, I don't think the Steelers are going to be in the market to get one of the top guys,
like Leonard Floyd or Frank Clark or even like Jadavian Clowney.
Some of the top edges that are out there that are out there, like Yannick and Gakwe.
But maybe they're looking at some of the later guys that could be floating around and could
be more financially available to them.
Al Cadeen Muhammad is a guy from Chicago.
He's 28 years old.
He could be a guy in that range.
But when you weigh all these moves, how aggressive do you think the Steelers need to be in adjusting
all these different positions?
Or do you think they're going to kind of have to zero in on maybe like one or two?
Because we've now talked about three positions, slot corner, off ball linebacker.
And now we're talking about Edge.
Well, I think that they were wise in terms of drafting Nick Herbig because he has some
versatility to his game.
He played more kind of like as an edge rusher at Wisconsin, but because he has shorter arms,
he's a little bit smaller in stature.
Some people believed he would have to move to off ball in the NFL.
And it was interesting because immediately after the draft, they were saying to us, yeah,
he's going to be an edge rusher.
But then later Andy Waddell said, well, maybe not.
Maybe we'll kind of cross train them, maybe do a couple of things.
But to answer your question, I really think that that position, whether it's Nick Herbig
or somebody, that's such a priority position in the Steelers defense.
They're a team that they're predicated upon pressure.
And you don't have to look for it.
Just look back to last year, they were a completely different defense with TJ Watt on the field
and TJ Watt not on the field.
Now obviously that's because he's, you know, rating defensive player of the year at that
point.
But also when you're not creating that pressure, the back end has to hold up more.
And the Steelers, as much as they love to play man coverage, you're really putting your
defensive backs in a tough spot.
So they need to find themselves an answer in case TJ goes down with an injury or in case
Alex Highsmith goes down with an injury.
And it's difficult with those guys because you have to kind of thread the needle.
Remember just a couple years ago, Melvin Ingram, what was the perfect third guy?
No, but he wasn't happy in his role.
So you have to find a guy that's good enough to step in and be successful when you need
him to be.
But maybe he's not so good that he thinks I should be the starter and I don't know why
Alex Highsmith is getting the reps when I'm not.
So finding that perfect person is difficult, but I would say that, you know, finding the
answer, whether it's Nick Herbig or whether it's someone else, I think is another big priority
for the Steelers, you know, before training camp.
Absolutely.
And I mean, you know, you brought up Melvin Ingram.
He's still a free agent, you know, as far as guys, which is kind of ironic when you look
at that situation.
And there's other guys kind of like him, like Justin Houston, who just for some reason manages
to just get one year contracts and then get 11 sacks.
Like I think in the last two years, he's averaged 11 sacks a year and he's still doing
it and he's looking for a new contract at 34 years old.
So he's probably going to get paid by somebody.
But you're right, you know, you're going to bring in guys who they want to be the man.
They don't want to, you know, play second fiddle to someone else unless you find players
who are resigned to that, you know, David and clowny is a perfect example of a guy that
wouldn't be in that role.
The guy is 30 years old.
He left the Browns because, or reportedly Miles Garrett was getting too much of the attention.
And today, they're planning was still starting.
He just wasn't with the number one guy over Miles Garrett.
The Steelers can't work with a guy like that because you got TJ Watt and Alex Heismith,
who are better than Jadaevian clowny, at least stats wise, you know, recently.
So you look at that.
Yeah, you're right.
It is a bit of a threading of the needle.
Maybe a guy like Trey Flowers or Kyle Van Nooy, you know, if you're looking for guys who might
be willing to accept backup roles, because again, you don't want to be in the position
where you're, where you're, where you're taking TJ Watt and Alex Heismith off the field.
And then you're just at a complete liability with your, with your backup edge rushers.
That's what is important, not just for, you know, not just for getting a continued pass
rush, but for being able to put guys in that you can rely upon to stop the run, be, you
know, be reliable, be able to come in, give you solid reps.
And then when you get to that fourth quarter, TJ Watt and Alex Heismith, they're not tired.
They've had proper rest on the bench and they're rare in the go, bringing their full
energy.
That's something that the Steelers have talked about for years, making sure that by the,
like that, that early part of the fourth quarter, that's when their defense is at their peak.
Yeah, I also wonder, you know, speaking of the pass rush in general, if you'll see a
bit of an evolution with Andy White on now, how do you want to win any voices?
Because if you look at the way that the Philadelphia Eagles did things, they were always big on
rotating and they would just throw so many different bodies at you.
And internally, in the interior portions of the defensive line, the Steelers do look
like they have the capability to do that based on, you know, drafting Keanu Benton, signing
Brayoka, Arm Watts, plus the guys that they already had, I wonder if you'll start to see
that a little bit with the Edge Ruchers too, where they'll start to add more pieces there
and have more rotational guys or situational Edge Ruchers, that type of thing.
I think that that would be wise, especially like, you know, we all respect TJ Watt and
he's an incredible player, but he plays with such a high motor that he knows only one speed
and he does get himself winded when he's on the field for these 10 and 12 plate drives.
So, you know, having a guy that you feel like between the 30s or something, you know, he
can come in and give you a couple of snaps, give TJ Watt a breather so he's fresh in the
red zone or fresh when you need him in the fourth quarter, I think, will be very wise.
No, I'm right with you on that.
Keep him fresh, and also Alex Heithmith's fresh because the two of them as a duo are very
important to this defense.
But again, it kind of goes back to what we were talking about earlier, you know, what becomes
the priority, Edge Russia versus slot versus inside linebacker, you could technically sign
all three still with the stealer salary cap situation, you know, and being able to bring
in guys, they're still signing the rookies to their official deals, but that won't be
too much of an issue.
I still think it's a question as far as, you know, how much can they get these guys for
if we're talking about, you know, an experienced Edge Russia, an experienced cornerback, you
know, this guy that I believe like Ronald Darby, who's still available out there and
I got it, maybe, maybe they, hey, can we bump you inside?
You're under six foot.
Could you be the guy that fits in there and how much money would it take to get a guy
like that?
These are all tough questions, but, you know, the Steelers, they've faced a lot of tough
questions.
You know, it was a tough question.
How are they going to get a top tackle and a top cornerback and potentially another, you
know, another defensive lineman out of this draft class, somehow they ended up with all
of those and they got their tight end that they really wanted in the NFL draft.
So I think it's just going to come down to how much can Omar Khan and Andy Wydell continue
to prove their savviness as a front office team going into the, going into the rest of
the season.
And here's the other thing, Chris.
Let's not forget that the Steelers started last year two and six.
Yeah.
There were more holes on this roster than one draft or one off season was going to fix.
And so while I look at this team and I think they've dramatically improved the roster,
they've created a tremendous amount of depth on the offensive line and overhauled it.
You know, they've reshaped their secondary by the way that they signed some signed Patrick
Peterson, draft and Joy Porter Jr.
So on and so forth, all the moves that they made, they still aren't going to have the perfect
roster.
Nobody does.
Everybody has weaknesses.
And for the Steelers this year, you know, time will tell, but they're not going to be able
to fill every hole.
And as we're discussing, it's going to be a matter of what do you prioritize and what's
available to you to fill some of those holes.
And those are the tough questions that Andy, why don't Omar Khan need to be answering?
Absolutely.
We'll get to some more of those tough questions as far as how the secondary is going to be
comprised with this upcoming season.
Despite all the excitement with Patrick Peterson and Joey Porter Jr. into the fold-down corner
back, this is going to be very much a new look group with what they have to go through.
We'll talk about how much of a new look and what they need to do to still be a top producing
unit right in there.
Right in the third segment of the Lockdown Steelers Podcast, stick with us.
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Back here on the Lockdown Steelers Podcast, I'm your host Chris Carter here with Mike
Defaboe of the Athletic.
Mike, last year the Steelers led the NFL in the interceptions that was led by the way
of Big Oopets Patrick, but right behind him was Cam Sutton and Levi Wallace.
Levi Wallace is still here.
He had four interceptions last year, but Cam Sutton had three.
And now Artisan Marlotte at least had one in the mix there.
But this is a group now that you've lost Cameron Sutton to all Evans, though he didn't contribute
in interceptions.
He was a good role player.
That was part of that.
He had four pass breakups on the year.
Cameron Sutton led the team to eight pass, three pass breakups on the year.
This is going to be a team that's constructed a bit differently.
And we've seen Tara lost and who went from defensive backs coach to, to defensive coordinator
last year.
We've seen him kind of being able to place that emphasis on his second year to say,
hey, trust you guys to go out and make plays.
And they did last year.
But with those guys, with the cornerback room being shaken up as much as it has, you know,
think about it, you know, with, you know, Cam Sutton and Arthur Marlotte being out as
well as the safety room being a little, a little bit different.
Who do you think next to make of his Patrick?
Because we know he's going to be the top dog.
You know, he's going to be the guy.
Who do you think is going to step up the most as far as helping contribute to the turnover
causes causing on the Steelers defense when it comes to the secondary?
Well I look at Patrick Peterson, but only if they put him in the right position.
So last season he had five interceptions and for a guy who's been to a million pro
voles, that was actually the second best total in his career.
The only time he was better was 2012 with the Cardinals, his second season in the league.
Now the reason why he had those turnovers was because he played much more zone coverage
than he ever had.
He was a guy that was always the press man guy and he was so good at that that they just
said, we're going to put you on an island.
You take away one half of the field.
You take away the dominant receiver.
And when he had an opportunity with the Vikings to play more cover three, to sit deep in that
deep third and have his eyes on the quarterback, he was able to read and react.
So I'm really curious because you look at the Steelers historically and even the way
that they drafted Joey Porter Jr. and other press man corner and stylistically you would
think they would do a lot of that.
But in his introductory press conference, Patrick Peterson hinted that maybe the Steelers
would move him around a little bit, allow him to do some different things.
And I think that they will.
And I think in some instances, like everyone's thinking, well, is he going to play safety?
I don't know.
Maybe he will.
Maybe he won't.
But I think some of it will just be like schematically putting him in different positions
or tricking the quarterback with different types of coverages.
So even if he's still playing the quarterback position, you could still essentially have
him playing a deep half of the field in some of their coverages, especially they love
to run that inverted cover two where the corners drop back and essentially fulfill the roles
of the two deep safeties.
Something like that would seem to be right off Patrick Peterson's alley.
So he's the guy that I really look to because you look at the other side with Joey Porter
Jr. he only had one interception in his college career.
Now they didn't throw the ball at him and that there's a lot of stories about guys who
didn't have a lot of turnovers in college who all of a sudden become ball Hawks in the
pros because suddenly they're being challenged, but you do wonder that one of the knocks on
Joey Porter Jr.'s game and perhaps one of the reasons why he slid into the second round.
So I don't know that I would count on him as a rookie being that turnover force.
Maybe he grows into it over time.
Part of it I think is very interesting what you brought up is the flexibility option there
to move guys around.
That's what Cam Sutton did so well for the Steelers.
He jumped in the slot.
He jumped outside.
He played deep safety when he had to and it was like you could line him up at one spot and
he'd run to the other and play it just as well as he did all of his jobs.
I think that when you look at how the Steelers have used their guys in the secondary, they
like that flexibility because it allows you to disguise more.
It gives you more exes and owes to play with as far as saying, hey, let's confuse quarterback
because confusing quarterback doesn't just lead the interceptions.
It leads to sacks because when you force them to hold on to it for just a second longer,
sometimes that's the difference that Cam Hayward needs to do, needs to get to the inside
or TJ Watt needs to get off the edge and get to his man and part of that is not just being
able to cover but being able to be smart in the secondary, understand your role and then
get to helping in different positions without being a huge weakness.
The teams are saying like, hey, if that guy does drop back deep, he can't play there that
well.
Let's go right after him.
Let's look out for those types of things.
So I think that also plays into this free agent conversation that we're talking about
here and looking around the NFL.
You know, Marcus Peters is a free agent, but I look more at him.
It's like a, hey, you know what, I need a guy who makes big splash plays.
He may give up big, big, big plays, but he's going to line up on the outside and do right.
I mean, I think if the Steelers were to get another cornerback, maybe it's a guy who,
you know, who could come in and be able to say, hey, I'm going to be, I'm going to come
in and be able to give you a little bit of relief here, but he's also got to learn.
He's like, hey, you know what, buddy?
We, Joey Porter Jr. is the future here.
Patrick Peterson is the vet that's holding it down.
We need you to be willing to be malleable to this defensive plan, which that means if
we want you to jump in the slot, jump in the slot, we got to play outside, play outside.
We may have you play off ball and help with it kind of the safety position, but I think
that's one thing that we're talking about with the Steelers need right now.
It may be just be a person that is versatile to take those different roles and how you said,
you know, when I asked you about what position they need more, you said all of the above,
maybe it's a guy that can do in all of the above spot, especially in the secondary.
Yeah, I think you're right.
I do wonder too, you know, Levi Wallace was a ball hawk the second half of the season.
He had four interceptions himself.
And I think if he's trying to hang on to his job and fight off Joey Porter Jr, you know,
his ability, his ball skills would be one of the main reasons you would continue to
keep him on the field.
So if the Steelers are struggling to create turnovers, maybe that is a situation where
he gets a little bit more playing time or he can continue to hang on to his starting
job just a little bit longer before Joey Porter Jr is ready.
That could be affected there and veterans, they do want to hold on to their spots.
And here's the other thing is that the Steelers free agency, like the initial free agency
period is over, right?
Like, you know, the draft just happened.
Now you're picking up at who's still left out there as far as athletes that you can
still bring in and give a decent chance at winning a job.
You know, there's plenty of guys out there.
I think that still would be worth a shot at least at signing and free agency who could
give you maybe some flexibility.
One, a smaller cornerback by the name of Grant Haley.
He played for the Rams most recently, but like last year, he played like a little over
150 snaps at cornerback, about 56 of those were at slot, 53 of those were out wide.
And that allowed him to kind of, you know, have that flexibility.
And I'm not saying Grant Haley is, Haley is definitely the Steelers pick and who they
need to go out and get right now.
But it needs to be someone who can not only line up those positions, but feel comfortable,
but communicate so that when make of its Patrick or whoever calls out a switch and they're
just, they're adjusting things around that they can quickly understand, hey, I need to
get off this guy, go over here, help him to help out in this spot, be able to play zone
here, run with this person there.
That's got to be part of it because as the Steelers, they want to be physical and aggressive.
If you're going to be aggressive, you have to communicate so that everyone has each other's
backs when one person's blitzing or being aggressive and you have someone behind them
to pick up the slack for whatever they're giving up.
Yeah, you know, this whole discussion about versatility and malleability, we should also
mention the three safety package and maybe that's part of the answer as well.
It is.
That's all of the answer in this slot.
You know, we saw that with great effect.
And one of the main reasons the Steelers used that was when they were playing against
some dominant tight ends, it was really effective for them to have another safety body type
on the field in terms of different coverages.
But it also made them much more flexible, malleable when there were switches and motions
and shifts and the offense is changing on the fly.
You could match that based on the versatility that you had.
So because of the success, I assume that they would run more three safety packages this season.
And now with some of the change in personnel, I think that it's only more likely that that
continues as well.
We will see how it does continue rookie camp starts up Friday.
We will I'm sure I'm sure Mike, you'll be there.
I'll be there.
We'll have a ton of people there and we'll see what happens at rookie camp.
But what also happens before Friday is the NFL schedule release set for Thursday night,
8 p.m. Eastern where we're finally going to see where all the Steelers games are going
to be.
We've seen some leaks that have come out, but I don't think we've seen a Steelers specific
leak just yet.
We'll see how that plays out.
If you want to get our thoughts on that, we're going to be on the lock done Steelers podcast,
breaking that down and giving you a preview look as far as what to look for with rookie
camp coming up this weekend.
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