#1033 | Le Tinkermén - The Challenge of Development #CFC

Hello Chelsea fans and welcome back to another episode of the Tinkman podcast. As always, this is your host Joe Tweeze and I am once again joined by my illustrious new co-host Sebastian Chappuis. I think I'm still saying that correctly, Seb, so please correct me if I'm wrong. We really appreciated your feedback on our initial episode last month I think at this point. And I think certainly going forward we'll be looking to increase the cadence over the summer or certainly to match the cadence of which we're dropping podcasts at the moment. So yeah, Chelsea at the moment, not a particular amount of interesting on-field activity to discuss. I think it's probably a fair assessment and a fair start to the podcast here. I think what we're looking to do in terms of the next one and two episodes that you're going to be listening to is not necessarily go through the biographical sort of, I guess, look at Morisio Pochatino in terms of him coming into Chelsea and what that might look like. I think what we're looking to do is have a look at some of the problems or some of the bigger issues that are there. Certainly when it comes to developing talent, the sort of crux of Chelsea's squad being of a certain age and profile, how you might approach the development of this group. A little bit of a deep dive on two players in particular and I guess a bit of an applied case study when it comes to these two players and looking at how you might want to develop them in terms of the future. And finishing with, I guess, an old Tinkerman favourite which is the Tinkerman 10. I have bastardised the French here, Seb, so I get apologies with the Luttingham and 10. I could say Luttingham and Du, but I don't entirely know if that's going to make enough sense where I'll be asking Seb 10 relatively quickfire questions at the end of the second episode here just to give us a bit of an insight into Seb's personal Chelsea flavour. So with that being said, in terms of this episode, as I say, we're looking at really the approach to getting the maximum and developing this squad into a team that can start competing again for trophies on a regular basis. It's sort of the main theme of the pub with some of some of the case studies here. So with all that being said, Seb, how are you mate, how are things going? And I guess what is your kind of one-line assessment of this period at Chelsea just before we kick things off? Hello, good evening. It's quite exciting, I would say, because we are set to sign maybe a couple of players to make the team as a whole. And maybe I fix the negativity around the results. It's not unwarranted, of course. But we've got some really good players and a nice squad being built. And I think there are still a lot of positives going forward. I think we are really going into the right direction with Pochitino. So I think it's a matter of finishing touches more than trying to rebuild, which is a concept which is overusing in football, but we are not rebuilding. The squad is now there and just trying to find the right profile. Yeah, and I think just as an early precursor, I know one of the annual favourites on London is Blue. It's looking at the Keep Cell Loan Podcast, which I think this season given that we have about 7,000 first-team players and players coming back from loan. It's going to be, I think, fairly substantial. So both Seb and I, with Brandon, with Nick and we've done, are looking at getting that framework in place and looking at how we can best go through those episodes. So this isn't necessarily going to be a Keep Cell Loan Adjacent. We'll be keeping that powder dry for the right conversation then when we have that with the wider guys. But I'm definitely looking forward to that in terms of this season here. And I think now as we move forward, I think Seb is right to point out that we have this kind of base or this framework, this core of players emerging in terms of a talented pool of players that Chelsea have put together, various players coming through the academy, some sort of smart purchases that I've made with, I guess the next couple of years on the horizon. What I want to start looking at Seb is in terms of the current squad composition, and I think my assessment would be that we're potentially lacking some sort of world-class sort of calibre players in that kind of 25 to 30 age bracket who have got experience, who have won trophies, who know how to win games. What are sort of the ideal profiles that you think that we're potentially missing in terms of that age experience the status of the players throughout the current position groups that you see? Yeah, I think football is moving in the right direction because players nowadays are starting younger in the first leagues at top level. So it may be not a necessity just like before to have 20-80 years old players who have experience. We've got some players who are barely 22, 23 years old who have 15, 100 games, some have already won silverware at clubs. So I think the key point would be the willingness to get better and to improve. And sometimes there's players which are early setting. Sometimes you've got players who start to be on the downward slope and are sometimes holding the team back and pushing managers to play more conservatively. I wouldn't say age is the biggest problem. I think the idea would be of course to try to get a nice balance between experienced players and young players in each position. But I don't think if you build a team with 29 years old and young players, it can work. It cannot work. There's other factors in play. I think that point is interesting. I think as you were talking, you've got people like Reece James and Mason Mountain who have won Champions League and have been key players and played a number of games for Chelsea Saturn and certainly a number of games in top-flight as well now. I'm looking, I guess, certainly maybe more to the spine of the team here. So not necessarily that we need to have a check, a JT, you know, Machalé Lee Essien kind of drug but esque spine or replicating that is feasible in terms of next season. But is there an argument to say that you need or that you would prefer to have sort of seasoned players in those particular roles and then you can kind of slot your sort of younger players in around them? I guess any sort of weight to that argument that even sort of in terms of the spine are you saying now that given I guess where football is trending in terms of age, in terms of experience, not necessarily being as determining a factor, would you be happy for a younger spine to kind of emerge over the course of next season as well? I would say that having a spine is a byproduct of several different parameters. I would think of three parameters which are trust, accountability and empowerment. So in terms of trust, first of all, there's different ways to build a team, but I think that when you try to create artificial roles in a team and order players to play through one player in particular, you are building a team which has maybe a good outlook, but you need to have players who trust each other to pass the ball to. And so is a good example of that. It doesn't speak three words of English, but everyone on the beach is trusting him under pressure when they don't know what to do with the ball, they give him the ball. And I think you can manufacture that with the right players in the right position, but you can't just put a player in the middle of the team and say, this is going to be my spine and this is going to work. No, if players don't buy in, they need to trust that idea because we've seen with especially Italian managers when you try to be very directive, you are growing frustration with the Julian, Rodega, Barclay, Fabregas, players like that, we like to express themselves, are going to be good, but maybe not which they are maximum and setting. And maybe if you look at, of course, or you know, Christian Sen, I've won titles with Chelsea, but in the league have we been able to play more expensive with specific role players? I'm not sure about that. So really the trust, you need to choose the right players so that players trust each other. The second point to build a spine, I would say would be the accountability, which is basically to be able to do your job and the basics because football is not really impermeable or an equal chamber, there's a culture of excuses, of course, on the internet, players, families, agents, and it's not my role, it's not my job, it's the next one job. There's always a good reason to not do your job and I think part of what makes a good team is having defenders who can defend with the fielders who can get on the ball and get all the position and the striker who can score. And if we are being honest, the last few seasons at Chelsea, we've got too many strikers who can score, too many defenders who need to maybe play between the players or between less advancing football and whatever. So we need to find players who do their job, who are accountable for their job, and we can't have one player judge through the prism of the next two around him. We need to have good enough players to stand in isolation. Accountability is also about availability because the saying is also that the best availability is availability. And when you look at someone like Margay, I've checked Margay, I've missed three games in his career, it was at Swansea, and he's ever present for Chelsea, of course, when he played a bit and for Crystal Palace or Swansea. If we compare to someone like Kristen Sen, we used to miss maybe six or ten games a season for small injuries in games. It was going off as a match and playing the next game or dropping off at the rest minute. So you need to find the right players who can do their job and you can be sure they're going to be there on the weekend. No small musical running girl, no small problem to prevent them playing. So if you can rely on players, you are going to build a spine. If there's always going to be something missing, it's hard to find consistency. And after that, yeah, I think the empowerment to develop the spine is key. And I think the balance to find is to provide the structure to play and allowing players to express themselves. And so once again, it's a good example. We had him dropping to collect the ball, pick up the ball. You have to make sure that the players are in the right areas. You can't have two or three circuits to play the ball out because it's found out and players are frustrated to get marked out of the game. But you can't have everyone going to the ball. If you have an Enzo, maybe police, maybe a Madwieke or others picking up the ball in the center, secure is not going to work. As long as you find trust between players, accountable players and empower players, the result is usually going to be that you get a spine. That you can't manufacture a spine just because you decide that it's going to be that defender that means you'll learn this striker. I think as you were talking, it dawned on me that there is a natural formation of those players. You have players emerge, you have a certain gravitas. And I think Enzo is certainly becoming a player that everybody in that squad trusts implicitly with possession in terms of giving the ball in quite often awkward situations and expecting him to deal with it. I think that natural progression lends itself a little bit into, I don't want to get into too much of psycho, pseudo psychoanalysis of players and things like that. But I guess character and the intangels aspect come in in terms of players who take accountability for themselves and who do mar more of other players around them and who are drivers in terms of that cultural fit. And it might be when you look at the current Chelsea squad, I think it's probably difficult to see beyond maybe a handful, a very select group of players, natural leaders, players who have that sort of charismatic element where they can kind of drive people on in games. It seems to be, I think, a little bit devoid at times. And I completely agree that isn't something that even in a sort of corporate environment, you can just sort of bring people in and sort of expect, you know, sort of magic to occur. There is some element of chemistry and kind of a natural progression there. So I think, yes, completely, completely agree in terms of that sort of spying that I think lots of Chelsea fans are looking for. I think the emergence of that probably, hopefully over pre-season and internet season will be kind of a natural byproduct of Positino coming in and potentially setting different benchmarks. And I guess demanding more from players in training and I guess his style seems to be very much about players taking accountability in powering players to make decisions in tough areas and to give them the tools, I guess, to execute. So I think if we're looking at sort of the squad as a whole, maybe there's an argument that there is a bit of a leadership void at the moment, but I guess that's more of a keeps our own question. I think what I'm looking at here, and I know this is a conversation that we've had in WhatsApp and certainly more offline than in a podcast capacity, but is part of forming a sort of a good squad and getting Chelsea back to have. I'm using the word good very deliberately because I don't assume in one summer that we're going to return to this sort of world class or seeing all conquering level, but certainly a good enough score to challenge. Is an important aspect of that is having, or is it having sort of multifunctional players who can play different areas and a kind of good squad players. So I'm looking at people like Ruben Loughs as she, I'm looking at potentially people like Trevor Chalaba. How important are people who can play in multiple positions, who are good at rotating in, who don't necessarily need like a run of five six games to sort of get up to speed. What are the things that are important, are they in kind of maintaining or at least progressing the level that Chelsea wants to see next season. Yeah, I think it's a direct consequence of a factor that is not always taken into consideration. If you have a lot of injuries, you need to have backups who are not just backups, who are maybe good enough to start maybe one third or two third of the games. There's a lot of teams in football who have a lot of injuries and navigating the slope of having two players or three players for Santa bags, for example. And the second and third one are really challenging each other for the position and the factor is whether one is injured or not. So, Pochitino has a good methodology in terms of training and avoiding injuries, which means that the opportunities aren't going to arise every other game because someone is missing out for a small lingers per injury or whatever. Pochitino, if you look at Santa bags, you've got the number one elder veiled, by example, as 38 game, the second one is 30 game, the third defender starts six, seven or eight games, and maybe there's room for one start for the fourth certain bag. But you're not going to have five players sharing minutes. If you have two starters, the minutes are going to be mega or very small. And this is where you need polyurethane players, who are able to deputate at full bag in the central midfield. And I think people like Gallagher and Charobah are really the epitome of versatile players, because you can put them on the wing and in central position, as they're going to be delivering activity on and off the ball at a good enough level. Maybe borderline starting level, they are maybe just below, but it's key to have players able to play other position because the starters are not going to miss out on an injury. Okay, forgive me, it's a bit of an an opportune break for an ad, but it's hard to interrupt these guys when they are going so deep in everything. So real quick ad break, and then we're right back into it. Thank you so much for our sponsors, they keep the show going. Bet you didn't see this coming, I hope you're ready to hear editor Jake's voice for a while in the ads. This time we're coming with Shady Ray's kick off the new year with new gear built to last. 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Go to ShadyRay's.com and use code LondonIsBlue, all one word, all caps for 50% off two plus pairs of polarized sunglasses. Try it out for yourself. The shades rated 5 stars by 200,000 people. Yeah, it's a really interesting point because I don't know if this is sort of a common thing, but I will absolutely caveat this with that I don't believe that the Chelsea's is a very good thing. The shades rated 5 stars by 200,000 people. I don't believe that Chelsea's social media space is a great place to necessarily crowdsource opinion. But whenever you see prominent opinions or people giving opinion pieces, there is almost a reluctance to have two good players per position. It's always like if you go and buy another two really good country midfielders, then what happens to Enzo? Or if you go and get another good centre about what happens to X, Y or Z in terms of positions? Chelsea of Swamalagusto from Leon. What's going to happen with him and Rhys James? I think to your point, is this, particularly with the number of subs in the Premier League? This is not just an starting 11, it's really a starting 16 in terms of the quality of players that you have to be able to bring on. And given Chelsea's rather diabolical injury problems, I won't open that kind of worms in terms of training and accountability there. But the fact that Chelsea have had so many first-team players injured certainly over the last two seasons, and particularly prominent players who are almost kind of, I guess, style-defining. I'm looking at something like Rhys James who almost completely changed the entire dynamic of Chelsea whenever he starts. But there is a fear among fans to have a, you know, a Manchester is a fantastic, fantastic fallback and a really, really potentially elite footballer. But there is a reluctance to have these players dotted around the squad because, you know, what if people get unhappy and what if they're not playing? So your point, sir, in terms of modern football, players are injured, players need rest. And Chelsea, in a good season, Chelsea are playing 55 to 60 games this season with the demands of international football, with really, I guess, COVID and everything still really catching up with players in terms of leginess. Having two good players by positioning some cases, you look at City Centrebacks. I mean, between what La Porte, Diaz, Aquet and Stones. I mean, they've got four that would probably start for most Premier League teams. They don't seem to be complaining as they're sort of rewarding their way to a title and potentially to a Champions League final as well. So I think Chelsea fans have to kind of adjust to the reality that, you know, for us to progress as a club, that does mean having lots of good players available because, A, that improves the level of training. If you've got all your best players playing and competing for starting spaces, that improves the quality of training, that improves the levels of training. But equally, if you lose cante for a half a season or a portion of time, you have somebody coming in who actually can deputise and play a midfield position, either to a similar standard or at least as close to as possible. But yeah, it's interesting that I think we've got to a point now where people are almost afraid of having too many good players. I want to say good players. I don't mean sort of young talented players. I mean, genuinely good players who actually say have a right or would think that they deserve to play 60, 70% in the middle of the season. Yeah, I think the misconception sometimes is that when you say, example in the Internet, that going to get a guy is good, someone going to say is not going to, is not going to, is not the point is not to have backup players that are going to displace the starting players. The point is to share the minute so that you don't have players being run out into the ground. And I think sometimes within football, there's shortcomings both in terms of physical preparation because you've got way too many injuries for muscular reasons. Scheduling is not all of the issue. There's a lot of errors in management of players, sometimes between clubs and national teams. And I also think that there's a shortcoming in terms of management and managers who are not interested to keep a player on the bench. Every successful team, I often refer to the template Ferguson at Adm. 17, he played 4-4-2 and he always had a very good experience. He always had 4 strikers, 2 on the pitch, 1 coming on and 1 who stayed on the bench for the whole game. And in case he needed goals, everyone is going on about the fair game and whatever, the extra time. No, in fact, when they were chasing the game, they had 4 centerbacks in the box and they were shooting good crosses, crosses, crosses to try to score a goal. And if you look at some of the decisions in recent seasons, there's two that spring in mind, maybe Billy Gilmore and Tammy Abraham, of course. You can't possibly build a case that keeping Billy Gilmore around to put it right. If you keep Billy Gilmore and you give him 20 minutes per game, maybe you don't run a country into the ground and you avoid some big injuries. So the point isn't to have Gilmore displacing cantai, it's to share the minute so that the load is less important. And in the striker position, it's not possible to decide that K-A-Wertz, who didn't score many goals, couldn't be challenged by Tammy Abraham from the bench. Of course, it's top level football player want to play all the time. When you look at achievements in isolation, if you think about them, it was an AP and Dromborenio, it wasn't playing a lot. I think they had an explanation at one point, but Mourinho kept him on the bench, kept him involved. He played a few minutes, but he scored this 6, 7, 8 goals. You need to have managers because nowadays managers are very clear about how they want to play, how they want to build up, how they want to pull play, goalkeepers, they want to do that. And they are unable to manage substitute players. And I think Pochettino is a really interesting case because if you look at the last 5 or 6 years, he's been presented with some interesting challenge at PSG, at Dona Roma and Navas, two excellent goalkeepers, who were maybe 15 years apart, the club decided to sign both goalkeepers, they didn't want to decide which one was the first and second one. So Pochettino managed to navigate the goalkeeper situation, Dona Roma and Navas, at full back with Trippier and Walker, Rose and Dawson. And quite often, you saw when Walker left Trippier, could field the role. Initially, Daniel Rose was a starting player and Ben Davis was joining from Swansea, was a backup, was sharing cross behind the goal and wasn't really good. And because Dawson, Davis, Davis worked a lot on his game, he ended up taking the place of Rose, who didn't recover that after that. He managed to include Davidson Sanchez in the rotation, so at one point he had three center backs to play in and sometimes three at the back. Maybe the only position, but it's understandable, it's a weekend up front, they never found the backup, but who was going to be the backup of a weekend. It was not possible, so he's able to navigate because the game is intense, he has a lot, especially from white players, and he could manage to have two good players per position and rotate and keep players happy. And it's hard to dislike, we're going to cover that much more in depth in the special, but there's no player, bad word, bad budget, you know, backup players, starting players, superstars, and nobody complains, even from the bench. There has to be something in terms of management to keep players happy, few injuries, lots of options in different position, and no falling out with players, so I think it's really good and a lot of modern teams nowadays, don't bother having two players, not to have conflict or whatever, and they end up paying the price because you lose players for two months, three months for injury, and you don't have any good enough backups. Yeah, that's a really interesting point to end on this mini section on this, as you're saying. I think Chelsea have essentially been relying upon sort of En Hazard and then in Gallo Cante and Cante sort of carrying this team for a large, large, you know, period of his career, certainly at Chelsea, but just in general, I guess he's currently pretty much every team that he's been a part of in various points of his career, but as soon as Cante started showing signs of wear and tear, as soon as he was just, I think to your point, she's been completely and utterly overused and not having that recognition from coaches and sort of management to pull him back and suggest, okay, maybe we need to look at sort of of game notes and managing his minutes and managing sort of the load that he's putting himself on that as soon as he then departs on the team, you put yourself in a position where you have almost completely built your entire game model around Cante and his unique skill set and what he brings to the table in terms of the core recoveries in terms of the defensive sort of skill and IQ that he has and just his ability to transition and do pretty much everything at an incredibly high standard, that when he, you know, when he drops off due to mismanagement and when he sort of disappears from the team for a number of months for various years, there's no real, I guess kind of way of, of getting around that because you've been so reliant upon him for x number of years and no kind of coaching philosophy or management approach or whatever it's going to be is going to get around the fact that the majority of this team have got used to cantae sort of superhuman levels in the middle of the pitch and I think to your point there if you were looking at a way of managing players of cantae's importance and the billigan were examples very, very poignant because obviously he's starting to sort of feature heavily for Brighton and he's playing exceptionally well from as well which I guess also sort of rubs a little bit of sort in the wounds but having cantae not have to play 90 minutes, you know, three times a week or, you know, even if you're getting 60, 70 minutes out of him and you're sort of pulling him off and you're managing that workload you know, where would that potentially lead to and I know certainly from my own experience but also I guess from learning from you and from others Grant James is a great example of somebody who really understands how fatigue is accumulated in players and how you manage that and how you kind of periodize through it and how you work through it correctly but not seeing that at Chelsea I think has been a huge detriment obviously to cantae and his sort of latter portion of his career but just in terms of the general organisation of the team as well a little bit of a departure from this topic now but there's something that I'm curious about because I look at next season, I see the return of Levi Colwell, I see the emergence of Wesley Fafarna, I see the emergence of Benny Badia-Chile I see Trevor Chaliber, I see also in terms of experienced players, I see Tiago Silva, I see Callinu Kula Bali, I see a potential of Kukurea at left centre back, I see even Reese James potentially deputising at right centre back in terms of options there those first one names I mentioned are similar ages or similar age ranges I should say or have potential to play in a back three or have potential to play in a back four and this isn't I guess going to be unique to Chelsea sort of centre back room but I think probably just as a poignant example in terms of let's say developing a number of young players so you've got four potential centre backs who may be competing for two roles or one role whatever that might look like how difficult is it to make sure that they are developing at the rate that you want to if some of them are essentially not playing or they are becoming that sort of four centre back that you mentioned where they might not be getting a look in, is it difficult to develop players in parallel, is I guess the question I'm asking yeah I think if you look at Manchester on the Ferguson, if you play two young centre backs together is going to be a mess and someone like Johnny Evans had a nice career at the start because he always played with an experienced centre back and Ferguson's quite building was two starting centre backs one polyvalence on the back which is a John O'Shea or was born and honestly we can look at Trevor Chaloba and he's not less good as was brown and and John O'Shea of course in terms of versatility and the four centre back in the R.C. was J.R.P.K. at one point or Johnny Evans and if you find the right balance between experience and lack of experience you can you can have a good development path but in terms of the option we have a chassis I think the biggest elephant in the room in the summer is going to be how are you going to manage six central defenders because it's not possible you can you can draw a plan on the paper but if you have more than four or five the fifth centre back and six are going to play especially in the season with no European competition so I think the first thing to tackle would be what do you do with J.R.P.K. was remaining here of contract and maybe Kudibari I'm not sure Pochitna will find room for Chago Silva in the back four he used to play maybe Kudibari can have some kind of restart with the right physical conditioning is going to be a good player once again because he hasn't lost his ability is reliant on physical ability like many players but especially him and Kudibari was reminding of Ivanovich in 2016 we were of the base and the strong players on the wrong side of 30 are going to look to be in trouble if they are not fit properly so we are going to have to tackle that contractual situation for Kudibari and Silva and after that I would say that it's a nice prevent to have because Badia Schilkel will for financial bar for me as a four ideal centre backs for rotation because you have a real ability tackling ability ball playing ability and versatility across the back four and even in the field we're going to have two centre backs against it and yeah and yeah it's in my opinion Badia Schilkel and Kudibari on the left side and four financial bar should be the option she'll see have in the field the contract which signed previously are what they are Kudibari and Tego Silva but I think is there an opportunity to part way or find option for them we are going to regret letting someone like Trevor Charobah go if we keep Kudibari is going to be a problem in one or two years we're going to find backup like Charobah in two years is going to cost a lot more money and not being as good so I think as an ideal profile of the four defenders would be Badia Schilkel will for financial bar no French bias there no I mean I completely agree not I think to your point there you know I think I think Silva will still have a role to play I think in terms of that sort of experience sort of almost like mentor that we saw sort of JT in his last season you know having that kind of I guess hand over to sort of that younger group but I think you know something that we will explore probably more on the posh Latino special but also I guess a little bit on the Keepsoul lane aspect is more than football now is about having you know freaks at centre back isn't it they are tall athletic they have to be able to fire passes like a midfielder 10 15 years ago would have from from deep they have to be able to hit diagonals they have to be able to start attacks step into midfield defending I mean there are so many incredible asks of centre backs these days you know they are not just there to sort of head balls out of the area and to block particularly I think if you are looking at using any sort of aggressive fallbacks or wing backs you have almost got to have a kind of six foot four fallback skill set at times defending one and one to defending wide areas to defend wide channels to defend you know people on the shoulder defending behind there are so many complexities playing centre back these days I think you are right in terms of particularly the Premier League having four very athletic very technically gifted players I think posh Latino will love having that as the foundation of his back fall going forward I think probably my last kind of question in this sort of development topic or this kind of development area is going to I think focus a little bit on I guess what we have seen from posh Latino now you know I perhaps slightly tongue in cheek at this point will refer to the fact that he made Delhi Ali look like an incredibly gifted footballer at one point in his career which clearly in terms of where he is now and I don't know entirely sure what the trajectory of his career is going to be but that sort of departure in that fall from that period that he had at spurts is astronomical and again I am not suggesting that posh Latino is entirely responsible for his ability and his form but I mean obviously a huge part of that and again getting Tottenham to a champion so final developing a really kind of aggressive play style I think you know Karl Walker at you know really attributes a lot of his development and I guess the reason he is at Man City to sort of the coaching of posh Latino as well and you know if atonga and the way around etc you know there are loads of I think really good examples of him coaching and developing players but do we have a view in terms of how he might look at this kind of young squad that's been assembled I guess with a with a long term view in mind maybe some people would say that there's been a bit of a scatter gun approach in terms of the signings but I mean if we ignore the fact that we have you know an abundance of fasting players at the moment what what do you think he's looking at in terms of this squad in terms of maybe a sort of development philosophy because I think to sort of your point earlier he is going to have to rely on some of these younger players to step up and mature and and I think go through that sort of almost growth period over the summer to become that kind of established first team presence where maybe they would have liked to have been bedded in next to a David Louise or Cahill or whoever might be at the back or playing next to a matage or canteen midfield they might have the luxury of being dropped into a team had a bit more stability around it so what do you think in terms of posh Latinos approach to developing the squad's going to be particularly given the agent and profile of some of these young players that we have I think he has the right balance between being redemanding is not someone with particularly focused on fitness is working like every football coach should be doing he likes sessions is to assistance or resistance and Miguel he's not just about that not just about outreling opponents there's a lot of the world I like to use his empowerment and especially because he was a center back himself and someone like Miguel Jegostino who is going to be one of the assistant coach is really strong in terms of being the opponent of course but also in terms of player analysis and tactics and is someone with a lot of players to work on their game especially on video is someone who speak French Spanish Italian English so Miguel Jegostino is going to be really really key to the players developed a game there's a lot that is being made about posh Latino asking video camera video session every club does film the session the state is whether you are going to use that footage and work on footage and provide good enough footage because my experience in football is a lot of clubs were gifted with equipment but not using it properly or just doing much of the day style video review showing I like really to players and that it so the fact is if you are clear about what you want on the pitch if you are clear about the feedback you are going to give to players you are going to improve players and posh Latino got away with playing Ben Taleb and Ryan Mason and Tom Carole in midfield 2 in Premier League and it was never an issue in terms of trying to score goal to press to get the ball back to keep the ball so I think the confidence aspect is really important we have some talented footballers I think in terms of character we are not lacking character but like every sports athlete at this level if you are not fit you can't feel confident but I'm really confident that someone like with James was not going to be a game for for now or if I could will is going to be really good once really fit you can give everything you can play at full pace not gamble and intervention and on duels and whatever between two plays you are more trying to see what amount of energy you've got and what plays can you offer to make and can you get in the box can you get back and I think the injection of someone like Gallagher has been a brush of pressure in the end of the season because it doesn't need to pick on its place is going to give everything so getting players fit getting players good feedback within a framework which isn't telling him what to do at every moment in the game is going to be a massive difference okay one more time real quick will be right back after this break for our sponsors thank you so much to them and the yeah we're back it's the end of part one of the tingkmen and in a way you can reach you to Nord VPN if you board of the US Netflix why not just take it for a spin in the UK using Nord VPN and a click of a button you can do just that no need to travel to Japan for your favorite anime when Nord VPN brings up right to you with 5000 plus servers, no show is out of your reach using my link Nord VPN dot com for slash London is blue you can receive a huge discount on a two year plan with one month free and you can get a new product that's so you never have to worry about your IP or location getting out they've also doubled down on keeping you safe with their new threat 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pretty much everyone involved there probably is the embodiment of Chelsea at this point in time but when you look at the sort of men's team in particular that kind of culture that we've had that has seen us you know go through incredible moments from you know from Munich to sort of the portal run even you know sort of before that in terms of merino twice a wins and sort of content twice a wins and maybe it has dropped off a tiny bit in the net in sort of the sort of following years from from from from Contace you know sort of I guess the last time that we want the title on the table is there is an argument to make that we need a little bit of a cultural reset and I think to your point there of around training fitness levels in terms of accountability in terms of the style of of yes providing a framework and yes providing sort of a a style and a game model of how he wants to play but also equally telling his players that ultimately you know you are you are there to make the decisions you are there to sort of have the impact I'm not going to sort of tell you know what one of three passes I want you to kind of play is there an aspect of looking at sort of the I guess sort of the intangible culture that maybe is lacking on the men's side at the moment and and think figuring from from Pochatino standpoint you know how does he sort of recapture some of that kind of past Chelsea Chelseaness I guess is probably the word how do you get that Chelseaness back into the current squad. I think first of all we've tried a lot of different approaches since the last title since 2017 and we didn't scratch over 70 75 points in the league and if you look closer at the results we had maybe five or six defeats eight or ten draws which mean we don't win half the games in the league every season for several seasons whatever the approach was chosen. So I think the first thing would be to try to find the right approach which we've been able to do with to hold of course for six months with the first part of the maybe cultural shift if you want to call it because it's always going to be a result business so if you can't get results you can't talk about culture or project or whatever you need to win games so whatever the discuss is you need to win games. So once you find the right approach. The question is how to make it sustainable over time and maybe we have a chance to build something because the squad is quite young so we don't have someone like Brande Slaviv and a witch with 2829 and you know you have maybe one or two years at very high level before it drops off because age is going to play its part. And the most important thing to stay at the top is to be able to revamp the squad and keep the squad angry and this is why we need to find the right conclusion from the maybe past 15 years as a former ownership was taking a step ahead in terms of of the operating managers who won the league settle over time in the club because they weren't backed in the second summer window. If you look at Anshiloty if you look at Murinu after the title maybe Conti was backed but maybe not the player I wanted but the former ownership made sure that the manager was successful so had reason to stay wouldn't build an entire team at his image for five years which could be a problem. I would say the second point would be at one point the manager finds the right approach it works for six, eight, maybe one season and one season and the half and at one point because they build a bond with some players as they try to revolve players into the field. We've seen that maybe with Touhou and the second part of his tenure. At one point you need to be expensive and play on the front foot and if you are keeping certain type of players into squad and you require three defenders, three mid shoulders, you need to number 10 to screen everyone. You need to be able to make ruthless decisions to keep the team at the top and maybe part ways with individuals and find another player to stay at the top. And the answer we don't have about Pachitino is at one point at Spurs, Spurs simply decided to not make transfers anymore. So we don't know if Pachitino wanted some replacement or I couldn't manage them but once we find the right approach and I believe the squad is good enough and obvious enough to know who are the players who are going to be the best use in which position. I think Pachitino is not going to revend the wheel, is going to play the same framework is done everywhere has been for two three one have paid out wide pre-seeing stay organized and all that. The right question and where everyone has to play is part as much manager to not find ways to build a team taking less risks to keep certain players involved. We need to have the club being strong enough to back the manager in terms of yeah we see that player is not going to become better or get younger. We are going to help you out with the situation to not have one aged player with massive wages blocking the path of a young players, everyone has a role to play as a club the directors, the manager, the team at the top and not being an excuse for keeping players longer than they should. Yes, the point about Spurs not buying players actually made me laugh there. I guess it's going to have the opposite problem which else is that he needs to figure out which sort of one of the I guess 15 plus players he needs to sanction a sale of what also I guess in terms of having some money to spend as well. I think that's going to be very very interesting to see how that lines up. Okay, it's the Grim Reaper of the episode. It's under JK to say that this is the end of part one of Lettingerman, part two out tomorrow, so stay tuned, be right back, see you then, and until then keep the group lag, line high.