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all right Mike welcome back the show man thanks for coming tell everybody just
give him that breakdown if they hadn't listened to our original episode in
cabin can you please drop what his episode number was for us please thanks
I might give take it away brother so my name is Mike Jones I am the owner and head
trainer of primal cannon dog training we've been running for a little over 10
years now prior to that I've been training dog since I was about 13 I'm 39
years old now I'm also the president and founder of Cannon Street League where
we are trying to develop the first personal our first professional personal
protection sport I don't know why that's so hard to say it's like all the
peas involved in or something like that so we have that also do the KNA
University which is an online university where we talk about a
variety of different training techniques methods there is applications all
that fun stuff and yeah I mean Bob you're one of the commentators for KNA
Street League you've been to a few of those events you know we was
really itself we're trying to basically build a positive culture and you know
in the dog sport world since it can be a little bit funny but we're also doing
starting this next trial is all the regional like people who they're coming in
pay for it that money goes to trouble you to that area so we're so all that's
going to be going to them and then we got this thing called the fight where
we're teaching people self defense with their dog and or self defense
by themselves and then with their protection dog that's for all levels
and we're donating the money all the proceeds to a glory house
or else in Miami the people who are survivors of human trafficking
typically one inch there's a lot going on yeah dude you're one of the busiest I
know and you're still disciplined to get up in the morning and go for a
workout so yeah it's been it's been a it's been fun
I want to say fun it's been the it's been very busy
absolutely so let's talk about fitness for a second
because this can mold into several different conversations like you grew up
do you get to let's talk about that fitness what are you doing each day to prepare
yourself physically mentally for entrepreneurship and training dogs the way you do
I work dogs lift weights and you get to stay and suggest no one really has to do it that way
you know what it suggests if it's you do get banged up and there's a lot of wear and tear in
those miles but I mean like the importance of like fitness when it comes to being a
decal because so you can each dog the same so even when you're tired fatigue makes
towers of us all so I just made sure I don't get fatigued by doing the things that I the things
that I do and yeah I mean I've so I actually started in a before I even got into fighting I actually
started in the shelter work so I got in I was a trouble dude and so I'm trying to help trouble
dude I got in trouble making me a service was actually working with with shelter dogs
basically picking up poop and trying not to get a bit but typical by Chihuahua was little
pit bulls it's not that much you know that's too much different it's a little older yeah so
then I went into that when I was around 13 and then when I got older I got into fighting boxing
first I get going to boxing and then two years to mix martial arts all that fun stuff and my mentor
Terremacy is he's like all like you know he's like you're obviously have some form of athleticism
to you so let's go ahead and put you in a you be helper which at that time would you sleep stuff
like to sleep I started decoying and shits and back when it was called shits and
and she when I was in my early 20s and then I kind of just escalated from there yeah a lot there's
a lot of a lot of importance being a good decoy there's a difference between someone who gets bit
by a dog and someone who's actually working a dog and building a dog or you have to have
you know that fitness there you have to have that clarity there in order to work a dog safely
and properly so what does that mean to you work a dog well in terms of safety and technique
so I want the dog to be able to leave better than when it came so whether it means it's leaving
with a bigger ego some new technique a little more stamina I don't want to because a lot of the times
especially in decoy it can be a very like egotistical type of thing like there's a lot of ego
involved because the dogs are biting them people get out like they want to do the tough guy stuff
but in reality you know being a decoy you're you're improving the dog like you're helping them get
better so you either got to get it better by like for example this last Saturday I worked all my
club dogs and worked my all my club dogs the last like three weeks and like I wore the
a thinner suit for tricep bites even though I'm getting banged up because I'm wearing the thin
suit it's better for the dog so it's always the dog first so when you're doing you know when you're
doing like to finish stuff you're doing all these things it's always making sure that the dog
themselves are getting better that's the difference between a trial and a training decoy you seem
bothering like during like street league you know we test the dogs you know that's where the training
or trial mindset is different than the training mindset I've always talked about I talked to
Matt Rogers about this not too long ago I was like I would never I don't know if I could be a trial
decoy because my thought process is always going to be like let's help the dog out let's make sure
that the dog is like doing like you know getting the wins making sure that they're you know they're
countering properly marking those counter properly we're in a trial you're basically testing you're
not necessarily trying to break the dog but you're trying to test the dog that's right yes you know
where the the training decoy is coaching the dog trial decoy is full tilt like putting the moves on
and seeing how that dog reacts so that the judges can do their job and I think if you go into
being a trial decoy with with so much muscle memory of helping it would be tough oh man I did
that during uh so the last street league that we did in LA so I ended up having to decoy at the
side show which was the event we did before and it took I'll be honest it took two dogs for me to be
like to kind of snap out of like a training mindset and actually try to like so there's one there's
one little pit that came out there and I was I was sick too so I was a little bit off it was too
much dink will amongst other days so I was like alright so like trying to get the dog to I was
working upstairs with the center dog upstairs and then I had tried it you pass it and give the
dog a sleeve and put a leash on the dog and then take the dog down with a sleeve right just to kind
of reward him with it and not bite me and the first two dogs I literally put the sleeve in their mouth
and then I saw that they disengaged a little bit so then I ended up just popping my arm and
giving them like two free bites and then I was like damn it I messed up so I put this you know
you know it's just because it's one of those things where you you kind of get stuck but you always
want to keep helping and like that's where like you just you're almost like ingrained a little bit
like I don't think unless like someone was actually like telling me like hey this is what you
got to do like reminding me about it like then you got to like do this then but it could be really
difficult for for me as a training decoys to get into that trial mindset so speaking of canine
street league and the decoys one of the cool things that I I think you're doing with the decoys
is you're making them professional athletes they aren't volunteers they're paid professionals
that show up to this thing and they're in super crazy good shape tons of knowledge and experience
in the suit but you've got like a new crop coming in so who are some up-and-comers that we need to
watch for in the next street league oh man I got a crew for the killers now I mean we know the
thing with the street league is like you said is like we were creating professional athletes
so with professional athletes you know there's not necessarily competition but there's a standard
that needs to be continuously like upheld and you know between myself and like Chris Corley's helping
me out a lot of the OGs like Dennis Stravy Courtney like all those guys are helping me get these new
guys in Jacques they're all helping me kind of push the pace a little bit with some of the new
guys in but you know Chris Sykes from elevated you know he's a really athletic guy yeah
Wild End Bloodworth another guy Danny Scott Florida Neil from LA as well I mean this last
camp what we did with all these guys that won from Ecuador I mean for a figure today I'm sorry
there's a lot of you guys and I'm horrible with tricking for memory things but this last camp we
did in Bioli so what I mean was in Bioli is you had to submit your videos online and then we got
to go through all those and I scan through all the videos make sure I saw the ones I wanted to come
through and we got him and everyone came through and I mean it was a bunch of like unknowns like
hey I don't know who Johnny Blazes let me watch him and you're like dang this this cat is good
yeah I mean that was that was the coolest part about it is like you know being able to just see
someone that was like definitely you know not like you know big on social media or whatnot like
you know we have got him Reggie frickin there's like a bunch of them that you know they were out there
this last time just running through like kind of like that is that unknowns in the before world
beginning like their star but they were also like they're all very hungry you know all those guys
like went out there and I mean frickin Jean almost killed himself on the on the start like you
know guys were carrying him around Jose same thing like if you go through some of the video footage
like you know you'll you'll see like these guys that they're out where it was hot too and we are in
Gilroy and we were running outside on the I have to push up some burpees on like the you know
the gravel that's out front of my building like you know all my dogs can tacked on them while they're
freaking we gonna work I mean those that's just last all these guys that they certified to me they
all they all earn it I make sure that's super cool man while I'm excited for the next street
league do we have tentative dates yet so that people can stay tuned or if it's in their area
can check it out so I know it's gonna be Florida first that's looking like October and then
we're gonna end at our mutual friend Tom Davis's place in New York yep we may I was supposed to
do more regional events this year but it's just been kind of in so for those who don't know
street league essentially is run by myself and pretty much that so I kind of I do all the
coordination with myself Chris Corley Aaron helps me out when we get into the event side in
a revenue G they help with some of the back in the website and then we got and who does like
the video stuff but you we although we are we're growing rapidly and things have changed and got
like very big very fast your sponsorships are real and all so for doing a fight it we're a small
team trying to do big things and yeah I talked to Katie and other friend of ours and I told them
I was like well you know I might have to postpone a couple things because I want to make sure that
everything that we're doing is up to par you know not just throw it out there so instead of that
we substituted some regional events for these bites and barbecue events and then doing the
intro to street league stuff to the women doing a Florida and the Florida stuff has actually been
picking up quite a bit to you with all the interest over there that's really cool yeah I think it's
gonna go nationwide and you're you're just gonna wrangle this beast into fruition all the way
through the nation I mean wait until next year international yes that dude absolutely sick
let's get into the fight the workshop the raffle and you know how you guys are helping
so with the fight the big thing was I originally wanted to I was talking to Billy from Miami
tattoo company Billy Jroy and we were talking about how he was helping Chris out set up a bite
some barbecue and then he was like man he's like I told him what we're doing with the trouble
with youth with Kenneth street league and he said he's really he does a lot of tattoo cover up
just or him and his mentor I'm gonna do a lot of tattoo coverage for the last you know decade
for survivors of human trafficking these women they get like branded these kids like the branded
so they do a lot of cover up scenes that like they're real passionate about it as you know Bob I
got a wife and a kid there's a daughter so that kind of struck the chord with me and as you
also know I'm a little bit gung ho when it comes to things I'm passionate about so we started
we already had the fight design the actual workshop design as far as teaching people how to you
know defend themselves with and without their dog so I decided okay cool let's go ahead and
donate the money to glory house I talked to Leo Pol to surround from surround academy he got his
guys Lucas and Carlos involved and then Jackie Vazquez who another person I've trained with in the
past I was a black dog to get to in the frasas I've got them involved so they can help people
of what we're doing is we're taking all that money and we're donating it to glory house Miami
who as much as a safe house but we're also using that money to ship a dog in from Ireland working
canis who's donating the dog to a survivor so we're doing that just through the workshop itself the
proceeds to go to that I'm gonna have like my my shootly decoys Neil Chris uh for Neil Chris Chris
and I say Chris Chris Chris Chris Corley Chris like yeah Neil and jock and those guys who might be
rolling down here to do it to decoy it so it's a two day event we're going to go through tactics
first you know technical breakdowns second day we're going to do half the days and it be tactics
technical breakdowns going from there and then the rest of the day we're going to be in a night
club bowl during the day time to run scenarios that things are more realistic so the workshop
itself is going to be cool with that uh then we got the raffle which is different so a lot of people
ask how they can help uh and if they can't come to the workshop no idea if they can go to the raffle
and the raffle school because you have the opportunity to essentially win like it's like seven
thousand dollars worth of like services so you pay a single five bucks well you've been well
you put your name in there and we randomly select and you get a fifteen hundred
fifteen hundred dollar gun gun handling course through cog works um by Garrett and Billy and then
Miami and tattoo is doing fifteen hundred dollar tattoo which is roughly I think five
hours or something like that of tattoo work from them and then myself, jock, Chris Corley, Adam
Katz, Neil Stodd, Storchstrom uh all of us are donating fifteen hundred dollars in packaging as
well uh two people who want to train so it's a big it's a what there's a big pot for not so much
money uh that island working 29 is donating a dog for that as well because we have a second
survivor that we're going to be donating a dog to you as well as trying to get more dogs into
these safe houses. How would guard? When Kevin and I go into the duck line together you know
that we're packing the bismuth baby man when I've got to pull up on a full drake malard
I want to make sure that if my aim is true that that duck goes down and I am slinging the bismuth
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so why don't you give them your all feed Purina. Yeah how are you finding or people reaching out to you
to try to if they have suffered from human trafficking like and and this is something they've
always been passionate about and don't know how to do it and they think they'd be good candidate
walk me through that process. So we're finding everything's going through Billy and a more
from Miami Tech at Miami Tech 2 Company those are the ones that have kind of they've been in
the game for a while they're connected to a glory house there's another couple housing foundations
that they work with and they're it's a crazy thing to talk about but like you you have to essentially
they have to kind of screen you know some of the survivors because it's a lot of these people are
these you know unfortunately a lot of these women and being a children have been involved so it's
like you know they're their kids so like you know it's something that like they're institutionalized
almost like to be abused yeah so and then a lot of the things too is that sometimes at these
this is what we're doing it for the houses as well is a lot of the people who are involved in the
trafficking like the traffickers they come and try to repossess the women and the kids so that's
why they need they need like we need to have like specific interview processes and talk to them
see which people can you know or mentally like okay if you actually take a dog in and be able to
take care of the dog so that's how we went from just providing dogs for the survivors but also
providing dogs for these safe houses because the safe houses alone are under a lot of pressure and
a lot of you know things going on with them too so it's a process man it's a like have not just
any person can deal with these dogs like that process of picking the right dog and the right
owner how that's got to be a lot to juggle because you probably want to give everyone one if you could
and it's like well it's not be right it's difficult for sure um I know like the interview process
that Billy myself and Chris have been through um and then also talking to you know I talked to
Graham from my own working can I pretty much every single morning getting updates on the dogs
seeing what stars are going to fit uh because it's been a lot of it too is like like as you guys
know they deal with like receivers like you know they're you know some of them for me a little bit
of crackhead you know they can be they can they can give a little more anxiety to your anxiety and
we don't want to do that right we want to be able to provide a little more of a like the relief
mentally right so we don't want to have more anxiety to the anxiety so its selection process is
a little bit different um you know me I talked to the survivors uh I talked to the one that we've
done so far as we go through this a learning process it's definitely something like as we kind
of do more and more and more of it uh I think a little more streamlined it can be and but you know
it's we're kind of the first into the storm so right right now it's more like okay we have a lot of
these uh women they're getting the dogs like you know they can't really like operate in like a normal
a normal life right but they have handlers they have you know they you know financial things and they
got to take care of so team dog is donating the food for the dog's life uh and it's really
cool because I didn't really ask for I think I like ask right then like you know like I do
because we're doing this thing like Mexico City like I was like hey man I was like you know we're
trying to get him we're making some ways with this traffic and thing I was like what do you think
is everyone know you know real is a sale and you know this will operate or work I was like what do
you think about this and then he's like yeah he's like he's a wall he's like you're you know he's
left you're here in chatter from places that aren't safe like you probably shouldn't do it like
you know a very logical guy right he's like well anything I could do to help and then he's a wall
have team dog donate the food to the survivors so they're taking care of that stuff and I'm
gonna I should be going on a mic drop here pretty soon I just got to deal with the the 3000 jobs I
have including yeah father so yeah well you're always busy so shout out to Mike and what they're
donating to the fight workshop into glory house but he's got a podcast called mic drop it is
I listen to every episode when they come out I mean that he's the man former Navy seal turned
dog trainer and massive entrepreneur so if you like dog training talk you know some military
stuff personal health and and some you know different topics I guess but you know 100 percent you
need to start tuning into him but he's had a few different veterans that have transitioned into like
actually going in and busting these houses to get these women and children out of there and you
know developing after math help for the sex trafficking cases and so like dude Mike but but they
were saying like out of all the problems in America this is like the least that people talk about
and it's probably the most screwed up right it's I think it makes people I mean we're just talking
about it too so we have we're developing I can't we talk too much but I'll talk to you guys offline
with hog works for developing a difference a different program where we'll be be more
on the offensive with this stuff but yeah I mean like it's it's weird I was talking to
Graham about it this morning because we essentially the donations that we're doing from the raffle
I'm using to get dogs and send you know send money that way to it's cost like $1,500 or $2,000
and quarter dog like that's how much like flights cost right right so doing that so I have to
get them money to be able to do that and I'll say I don't know I was like it's kind of weird like
once we started pushing this stuff like the human trafficking it almost seemed like people were
afraid to address the situation or like come to realization of what's actually happening like you
know because it is I mean I think the statistics show it's like you know it's California, Texas
and if anyone doesn't know this don't want to be if you google like the the top states for human
trafficking that's only reported through the hotline that's not actually what's actually happening
so it's a percentage of what actually is happening so I mean if you ever google like what your
state is like in human trafficking it's like a small like a tenth of what's actually really going
on parents being reported so it is one of the biggest growing essentially trades in the US and
internationally because the what what was told to me was like you know in drugs right you sell drugs
drugs drugs get used and then done what right so then you have to buy drugs again you don't you
can't resell a drug but you can resell a person and it's you know it's unfortunately you know
it hits real man like I don't I tell you this man once I got involved in this one thanks Billy by
the way once I got in once I got involved in this there's been many sleepless nights many early
mornings when he uh times where I'm just like you know it's it's a little bit tough because you know
again like I have a wife I have a daughter I have a lot of uh loved ones who are you know
ladies and some of that and even like you know by the young nephews you know stuff like that you know
it's it's something that it is a real problem it doesn't need to be addressed it doesn't need
to be exposed and it doesn't be talked about in that way we can we can stop it and we can start
helping people out and being involved and all that yeah like one of the uh the things that I admire
about you most is your entrepreneurial spirit and like the come-up story and so if you haven't
you know listen to his first it's it's a lot about your come-up story and how you you made it
what is one of them like piece of advice for a young we get a lot of people that listen to this
that maybe want to be a dog trainer what's some pieces of advice you would give to someone who's
16 to 40 that says man this is my passion I'm I'm going for it change gears my bad
no I mean I would do I mean so if you haven't heard my story obviously I'm essentially self-made
since yeah I'm kid temperate poor background very abusive background a lot of things I had to
do by myself since I was you know essentially 13 you know I lived on my own since I was 16 you
know kind of doing some of that team care my three sisters and a bunch of things so just a quick
clip notes we part going to oh my advice would be um here's the thing is I a lot of people want
things to be easier right everyone wants to scale the business so it's easier for them
the quick realization that it's it's not going to be easy and understanding it's not going to be
easy and just embracing that like you know like thinking about that suffering as an investment
and just embrace that fact that it all becomes easy because then we're realizing like no matter
how many hours or mine how many days or how many like you know you guys have you have probably
have more dogs than I do at your place like you know understanding like even now you know doing
it's because as well as I am I still got like dogs here I still got to take care of them so
got a business to work I still got a family take care of it's going to be a grind and don't make
it easy on yourself you know just make it make it harder on yourself so it doesn't become easy
eventually that's the same thing that I do you know it's just one of those things where if you
want to come into the dark training business I think a lot of it now there's a lot of like
get quick rich like type of like training thing that people are doing now where they're like
oh scale your business you know raise pricing and do this and in a reality you know dogs don't
know what weekends are dogs of the lubrications are you know they they don't have a nine to five
you know it's it is a seven day a week every single day of the year type of business and understand
that you know keep it it's just that thing man it's just I think a lot of times I get to talk
to a lot of people about it and like I think people ask me like for like like you know almost like
that magic like pill to success and I tell people it's I'm like I'm up at 330 in the morning
scoop and dog shit like every single day I do and my things I got to do like that's the only
way that I have the stuff that I have like that you know be able to do the things that we're
able to do is doing that so I mean like you know sounds corny but like you know you got to embrace
that grind you know you got to really understand like and then the same thing too is that you kind
of have to be fair to yourself as well and there's that there's times where you're going to have to
kind of shut it down you know like all right this is in my limited schedule here so in
schedule yourself properly you know understand where your limitations are you know it used to be
there used to be a thing like a joke that you know and I had like every four months I would just
burn out like I was like because I would just run myself into the dirt then stop being that way
so I'd be like half a year and then a year and then I started straight league now it's like after
every straight league event I want to go disappear into like them into my mountain and shut my
phone off because my social battery so I mean it's just you know being you know just being self-aware
understand your limitations but understand too that don't want don't you know want it to be easy
you know right you just want to have the strength to make it easy and like that's kind of like the
main thing that you build you just build it over and over and over to repetition and then you get
good at it what about as a dog trainer themselves like to earn their their stripes so that they can
open up their own shingle or whatever like that so I do this whole mentorship program we actually
just launched it on a sudden video with Tom he posted or we posted yeah it was also
as shout out to Tom Davis a brother over there in New York but we're teaching basically what's
happening is I'm starting to teach dog trainers so they've done this for years now that unknowingly
but I'm telling people right now I hope you like you can come in and I'll train you and eventually
you can open your own primal canine or I'll just give you the skills panel which pack to do this
but for someone who would let maybe say can't do that or somewhere else throughout the United States or
you know throughout the world we're gonna listen to this find a mentor who's gonna be invested
in your progression learn different styles but stick to one first get really good at that style
and then go from there but a lot of times that are initially because there is no governing body
there is no college for this there is nothing like that it is something to where you have to find
a mentor who has like your best interest involved you know because a lot of times you know people will
just use an abuse and you know dump and leave because of kind of like the nature of the bees when
it comes to dark training but you know reality take your time find a style you like make sure you
click with the person like all my guys like my new new group we're doing like you know these do
stay up with me like to like 12 fucking like we'll get in and we'll just work work work work work
and then I'm like all right clean up let's go ahead do this and then at the end of the day of
every day I'm always telling like oh this is why this is why we do this like I kind of explain
things like this is why we're you know you always leave last never limit never let Aaron carrying
Dean heavy and you always clean up after yourself and where we're at you know follow these guidelines
so it's more about the way I look at it it's more about creating like good people and then
giving them the tools to be successful online and like hundreds and having those like general
qualities because I see that fading out here pretty quickly in our general society yeah I'd
agree with that I think find in a mentor or working for someone is paramount and then I also think
that there's no substitute to four dogs under your belt going to a place where you can handle
aggressive dogs fearful dogs anxious dogs high-drive dogs like the the crazy crack head that
finally after your program puts it together like and having those struggles and triumphs
but under a guided eye like that to me is huge there's no like and this is that this is something
that I like struggle with when it comes to some of my other like past employees or apprentices
is that especially with social media right you have one dog all of a sudden you look good
if you want you to work for them do all those other things you go to a couple seminars
because you have a basic knowledge you think always all of a sudden like you know do you know more
but then there's nothing that substitutes like you said having your hands on leashes you know
with the guided eye with it because a lot of the times the stuff that you see and you learn
through these different you know theories and applications don't always apply for a dog
absolutely yeah so it's like you've got to be able to read it in a book you can read it but you've
got to apply it at the instance that it needed to be applied and see it like read the body language
in it's you in the only way to get that eye for that or the feel for that is doing it absolutely
and I that's like that's one of the things that I preach the most when it comes to my apprentices by
mentees all the little like shadow programs like it's the only way you get good is by repetition
and consistency when you're doing it over and over again you know and learning from different dogs
and again you can take all the certifications you want you can get all the seminars you want you
can read all the books you want you can listen to audio books all you want to watch the videos
none of that means anything if you don't know what to do with the leashes you have the only way
you know only or it lets even like in decoy like the only way you learn how to do it is by doing it
and you know sometimes it sucks and sometimes you get the shit kicked out of you sometimes you get
all by a freaking tiny two pound malt use they want us to eat your soul and things it's like a
freaking 180 pound bore bowl that yeah sometimes like those things happen and it is it is what it
is like that's just kind of the thing like you just got to be able to you know do it and do
it for a long period of time so are these in this mentorship program is it for an obedience
business or is this for detection sport and decoy work so I teach everything for me and it's
one of those things like I do with like a pretty much in every I do this like with all my apprentices
mentees are you know shadow programs a shadow program is not so much because they have limited
time with me but the mentees and then the apprentices and the beginning I make that make sure they all
get bit by dog like because I got to see what they're reacts I got to check their temperature
you know going to see like how do you react under stress because primal cana and most people
forget about this because they see the highlight videos of protection but we started with behavioral
cases so we were taking on dogs who were going to get euthanized we were taking on dogs in the
shelters when we had the free dog programs we were working with dogs and other trainers in our
area we're saying they can't work with them sweet we have a whole no no kind of way policy and
sometimes you get sometimes you get some real dogs like yeah like you know like you've got to be
careful with it because you know it's something can happen so I was make sure that I put my not
necessarily I don't want them to be a decoy but I want them to fill that level of anxiety that
pressure like you know that you feel when a dog is on your right because it's a different feeling
yeah you know it is something different like you may seem like oh very you know when you see like
the the video is the may seem very easy but there is a vastly different thing you know when you're on
when the bites going on you have a dog is there so I have all my apprentices take at least one bite
they have to at least experience it once I'll break down why we do that and then like well I don't
want to be a decoy so it's not loving the decoy it's about understanding what that either genetic
you know responses so from the dog understand how they counter how they bite how the pain is so when
the dogs that you're working with are going to be like in front of you and like let's say you're
going to pet dog or behave in Monk case and the dogs I try to roll with you like you understand
like what their drives are what why is that dog reacting that way is because it's insecure and
defensive as it reactive because something may have happened and they're kind of like weird with
it or like there's like loose on it or is it like naturally aggressive you know there's a variety
of different things because I teach all my guys drive channeling so they understand like you know
pray defense and then they see like what natural genetic qualities of dog they have so I've
always put my I always put those guys through that stuff but it's like a whole little weird
weird like science thing my freaking one of my new apprentices I missed to Miyagi you just stop
metaphorically talking about other one shit I don't know how it's how I was taught man I've
had some really good mentors in my life and you know it's always through experience so yeah I
experience can't be bought you know it's it's like you gotta do it and earn it all right when you're
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the maltese or whatever like give me something that you remember this like a highlight reel for you
man I would uh I mean so I have this a variety so I have like two crazy stories or one crazy story
and then one it's like probably my highlight reel so my dog Marilyn she passed away actually during
the Morgan Hill trial in the middle of the night and Gordon I didn't sleep at all this while I
look like hell in it so this heart tattoos for so when I first got her when I first got her
I was just barely starting it wasn't a primal cannon yet it was my Jones dog psychology which
think on it at the log is taken down because holy crap I don't I don't need any I don't need no
base no uh nothing to get me um those were some embarrassing moment that even deleted the
YouTube video but no I had her she was but she was naturally aggressive naturally doggressive
and people aggressive we adopted her from the shelter she was being crazy oh see the boss lady
uh dollar said hi positive hi babe no uh so we did I got her there and she was completely crazy
like try to like mall every dog bite people because she was a little cute little brindle pit
a little white face so she looked like she was tiny little thing and then freaking I started
working with her and I was using kind of like the positive reinforcement reinforcement approach I
had and this is when I quickly realized like this is something that's not really like you can do
this with every dollar there's more of a balance because at that time I was learning and shudson
and shudson at that time was all yanking crank and I knew like you know if I'd yanking crank with her
she would just escalate so that's kind of where I kind of created the formula uh with everything
was with teaching her how to one engage to not try to murder everybody and every dog that
looked at her in one split second and then not like overcrack not over a war her so Maryland
was probably one of like the yeah yeah she's gone now like without one of the dogs like you know
let's go okay like that's like one of the like my highly real dogs far as a behavior mod
I mean we have like I have like highly real dogs as far as like you know dogs we've built now like
you know we got Aussie who's quite possibly the like the one of the hardest buying dogs in the
world and then Felix who's you know he's broken guys legs and done some crazy things and you
know I have a whole kennel full of just murderers row from Cerberus to you know by dog bear and
all those ones and then like as far as like crazy cases we did uh I was working Aussie's mom
six a Dutch Shepherd uh and I was working her on the bite suit and then there's a dog named
Duco that was out here and he freaking came off of a he opened his window to the vehicle he was in
a sprinter van open the window blew out and I was working on a sleeve and he bit me like life
oh no yeah and I had to work because you can't like you're teaching them to bite live right like
so you can't out right away because they're saying like so it's because it's frantic right because
that you go like like you you just can't like you think obviously you want to you need to sometimes
so I had to work a dog live on a bite one time and then just make sure it was good what was the
damage like um I'm not gonna tell like say who it was because he might lose his lives for it by
once my vet friend uh and we had a stitch my we had a stitch me up pretty bad I still got a
pretty decent mark on my shoulder is that working out you yeah riding the chest oh man with the
other dog on you like two dogs at once yeah now what that could clearly spur an actual dog fight
right you're you're I would imagine it's one of those things where you kind of have to like
like that's another thing when it comes from like fighting right like you know fighting you have
a certain level of situational awareness as to what's going on around you just because you're
just you know you're getting kicked or hit and choked or whatever maybe or you know someone should
break her out so you have an understanding of what your surroundings are and then just for the
amount of dogs that work you know you learn how to turn your body into certain things but essentially
you you know you turn into catch the dog or get it away and then you you know put a thumb in the
collar so to make sure that the collar is not like there you have that negative reinforcement where
you can pull away so that's essentially what I did and then you know worked it that way slip of
sleeve get one off work the other one figure that out and keep working on it and learn at this
point uh just tripping the hell out a lot a lot of a lot of times when it happens like with a
protection stuff especially with their brand new to it because everyone's so essentially like a
general arrest for people who are brand new to it yeah I mean so they kind of just get stuck
watching yeah and that's they're just like they're kind of just glued to just seeing what's going
on the action right and you know that's the other reason why we're doing the fight workshop so
people can understand like oh hey like it's just not watching like the highlight reel catch you see
on my Instagram or TikTok or whatever these people are doing these days uh on the it's you know
it's that's very involved you know you gotta go and get your dog those things and like it's
almost like stress and occupation that you're training to but it's all a whole lot of things
so I've made this analogy every time we've had someone from street league or your sport where it's
like if the worst case scenario happens my dog leaves before I say their name and they get a duck
like worst case scenario is someone doesn't lock their car windows and the dogs not in a crate and
it buss out in the legit smokes you it happened worst case scenario it'll it'll happen
and that's where you have to be aware what you got yeah you know like that's these dogs are
a hundred percent you know for the most part what we train on like you know they're a hundred percent
real they will the ones that we train and I train all my all my club dogs you know we do we'll
do conditioning rounds we'll do dog rounds in the suit but I always do civil stuff with them
I always make sure like you know it's hand in sleeve muzzle or whatever we're doing
because that's what we're trying to do right so like that's but it's also making sure that the
handlers understand like hey like you know fluffy you might be doing the cute sport stuff and
everything like that but love you all so hurts somebody so treated as you're carrying the gun you
know treat as you're carrying an active weapon what is your home life with the dogs are they all
like how do you manage that and how many do you have in your home that you care for let's see
I got old bivin got right now she's the old lady she's the OG of the group path she's
our little pit bull she's a colored colored dirt because she's all speckled so so we got her
out here we have Ozzy who lives upstairs with me and despite what most people think we we
live kind of a he has a mess with me and a mess with them type of life you know we separate in
that sense and when you move and I see you can kind of show unless place command and I just
we send a couch on the repair times we get to do moving nights we have Ozzy Felix who's the big
hundred plus pound ten plus pound by colored leg breaker me and him are cool like we just do
rotations and he hangs out you can get here a surplus it's like my other OG was just kind of like
filled just hang out uh Zando who's our pH 2 KVV dog who is just a big dummy too like he's
goofy as hell but he'll bite somebody with the very balanced Lucy which is Ozzy's sister she bites me
but you know we she kind of hangs out sometimes from time to time Zilla who's Ozzy's son who
is like the big the big demo dog the one the one I do like the dog and white with sometimes
the trials uh we got Bobby who's the Merle American bully we have him and then like
couple board and trains but for the most part in the dogs usually in their lives really you know
like rotate upstairs hanging out with us or on a treadmill or I work them in the bite suit or
you know whatever I'm doing just kind of exercising them and they're all all the males typically
are you know bunch of a holes so they're all you know very much like ego driven in that sense so
they kind of like mess with each other but they all know kind of do they play outside all
together or do you have to keep them separate they're working packs so it's like Ozzy he's not in
a he's in a class of his own him and Bizz hanging out because he's the he's the king around here
uh in the dogs and then Zilla Cerberus Lucy um they can play Bobby can play sometimes with the
underpaying all what he does then uh Zando Zando don't care Zando's like he's just a big dummy
you don't care about nothing in a few like so similar to Zando so they all can we just like
it's all about like you know making sure man because I mean though in the day like you know they've
given me up multiple times a week right so dynamic change right like uh it's a balance of uh
understanding right so like they understand like oh hey like I'm being but like keeping it sporty
but like making sure it's like work so there is a relationship balance that you kind of have to
right because it's too dominant then when you're in the suit they'll be more timid about it
but if you're in the suit and mentality of giving them in that they can take you any time
that may not be fun sometimes yeah I mean it's it can be especially because I do uh typically
do the morning rotation so it's like you know I can't have dogs that want to just like
murk me all the time because I'm essentially you know you know they're sparring partner every single
again being like I'm touching base back I'm being the training partner I really
very focused on like making sure that they always live with the win at least with the win
no matter how long the fight is so as make sure like okay like either I put them up hot
where they want to bite me again or they feel like they're defeating me and like now they're like
oh cool I beat them up so then it kind of does hinder a little bit of stuff when you do try to
break dogs like that's where she young dogs like Felix uh because I work him so much now
I'm pretty much the only one that will work him because of the damage he can do to someone's leg
leg or came and then he'll he basically kind of gives me the finger because he's you know young
adolescent dog if I tell him to come back in the morning then there's turkeys or deer outside
and he's looking at them looks at me and I'm like all right man well well try to get you back
here somehow get a ball well cool well let's do this give everybody one more little synopsis of
where they can find you and learn more about the workshop the raffle to help the glory house
process so you can look at everything so the the workshop itself is on promo canine.com uh it's
the fight workshop has a big breakdown it's you know all the surreal academy guys you know
Jackie Vazquez for Ozazob uh we also have uh the donation for the dog coming from Ireland working
canine and everything all the approaches are going to uh basically going to glory house my and then
the fight the fight rally or the fight uh rally the fight uh raffle uh basically who has you know
donations from cog works who are doing a 15-hour course myself that you know in our course
Adam Katz Neil Stroudstorm Chris Corley and then 15-hour to attach you for Miami tattoo company
and then the proceeds are again basically donated to all the the dogs that we're trying to get in
and then Mike Ritland and those guys are going to be a team dog are going to be donating all the
food but you can see that on the mic jones uh underscore pc page and on the promo canine page
and everyone who actually you know shares it so it's it's pretty much spread out there and it's
pretty easy all you have to do is donate it's in five bucks put your name on there you can't make
it to the the actual fight workshop you can go to that and that means it's pretty straightforward
we've got a lot of things rolling here. Good for you man well I'm always impressed by your work
ethic entrepreneurship and giving back to the community um every time I see you've got something
cooking man so thanks for joining us everybody do me a favor give them a follow and help support
this great cause and Mike I can't wait to see you at the next canine street league bud.
Oh yeah man I got to get the band back together again. That's right. Absolutely.
Plus some high noons. Very shit and hopefully I don't need that in day quill again.
Jesus Christ. Good Lord. Hi brother. Be good. Thank you very much for joining us and we'll catch you soon.
I appreciate your brother. Thank you.
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