Mo News Special Mother’s Day Edition

Happy Mother's Day, everybody. You're listening to the Mo News podcast. We have a special edition today celebrating all the moms out there. I'm Moshe Wannunu. And I'm Jill Wagner. Moshe, we've got a really big show in store to start. What better way to celebrate Mother's Day than by interviewing our moms. So coming up, we've got Moshe's mom, Debbie, and my mom, Carol. We're going to be talking about how motherhood has changed over the years and stayed the same, what lessons they've learned from their moms. And they'll just be imparting their words of motherly wisdom. They also talk about young Jill and young Moshe. Yeah, that was the subject of a number of your questions. So we make a point in our conversation of getting to all of them. So you'll have a better sense of us, I think, Jill, based on. For better or worse. For better or worse, our mom describing us at young ages, as teenagers, and as adults. I told them it was probably one of the interviews. I was more nervous about, if you could say that a little bit. Because we interview lots of people. And I've interviewed a lot of people through my career. But never even read my mom before. And so I thought it was very cool. But we were so excited about this idea. We hope all of you get something out of this. At the same time, I want to say to everyone who's listening to this podcast, I feel very lucky and fortunate and recognize how fortunate Jill and I are to be able to do this. And so we're sending our love to all of you this weekend, either who grew up without a mom, have lost their mother, are not touched with their mother, or are struggling to become mothers themselves. Also, we heard from many people in our Monus community about the best device that their moms ever gave them. We're going to be playing those messages later in the show. They were great. Thank you so much to everybody who called in. Most one of the reasons that we wanted to do this podcast is to have a little bit of fun. But also to celebrate motherhood. Moms have had a rough go recently, just collectively speaking with the pandemic and the formula shortage. The list goes on. I read this article in philan.com recently and it asked, is this the worst time in American history to be a mom? A little bit depressing. But they spoke to Dr. Harvey Carr. He's a well-known pediatrician and founder of The Happiest Baby. He said something that really stayed with me in describing motherhood today. He said it's kind of like Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities. Who is the best of times and it was the worst of times. The best, he says because of just the medical advances, there's less hunger. But he also says it's the worst of times in part because of the pressure that moms put on themselves to feel like they have to be everything and do everything, especially in so many moms and parents in general have lost their village. For example, moving away from extended family that used to really help out in raising the kids. Yeah, that's a real issue. It's something we actually discussed with our mothers in this podcast. Talk about their time growing up back in the 50s and 60s and then being moms in the 80s and 90s and how that compares to today. And speaking of our village, I just wanted to mention that part of the reason that you and I get to do this podcast every day is because of my village, which is my mom who lives 10 minutes away from me and comes over literally every single afternoon to help watch my son who is still really young and put him to bed. And that way I can write and record the podcast. So I realize how fortunate I am to have that. So mom, thank you. I really from the bottom of my heart. Yes, thank you, Carol. I'm also grateful to you for helping out and adjusting as we need because the news cycle doesn't necessarily cooperate with parenthood and raising kids. As Jill, you full well know. Yes. You did want to just mention you and I recorded this interview with our moms a few days ago. Your mom has subsequently reached out to me and she said, I would love to add this if possible to the mom's podcast. I am always so blown away, but I'm like actually going to cry because it's so sweet. Oh, but I should say whenever you're reading, I am not aware of until this moment. No, exactly. That's you. Okay. That's why I specifically didn't put it into our document. She wrote, I am always so blown away by motion intelligence and achievements, but most thankful for his emotional intelligence and his confidence to express his heartfelt feelings and thoughts. And I just thought that was so beautiful. And she was, it was in response to this trip that you recently went on where you really, I know we're going to talk about it on a different podcast, but she was really proud of you for that. Well, I am thankful to her for also raising me to be expressive with my emotions. Etc. So thank you, mom. Thank you, Jill, for sharing that. I literally have like choking up about it because it's so sweet. And it just shows just the love and the pride that moms have for their children. I and I feel so lucky to be able to call her mom and to be able to, you know, tell her mom, I love you and I appreciate you and I'm thankful. And I hope all of you listening today will get a lot on this podcast. All right. With that, let's get to the moms. Our village and very thankful to get to have them and have them on the podcast today for a special edition. I'll go first here welcoming my mom, Debbie, born and raised in the Chicago area. She is the mother of two, me and then my younger brother, Yoni, for many years, newly congratulate her on her retirement. She worked two jobs for, I don't know, going on 40 years, mom. She co-ran the family business, our family cabinet shop, my dad did the cabinets, my mom ran the front office. And she also worked at a hospital in the Chicago area. Those of you listening there, you might be familiar with Luther in general hospital, where she was there for several decades. She is, of course, mom to me and my brother. She's a grandmother of three, thanks to my brother, though I hope to be able to help add to that in the future. And Debbie joins us from Fort Worth, Texas, where my parents are newly moved in, new and newly retired. Hi, mom. Hey, everyone. Glad to be here. Thank you for inviting me and good to meet Carol and see Jill again. And before we get started, I want to introduce my mom, Carol, who grew up in Far Rockaway, Queens, one of four kids, went to Albany and Queens College and worked as an art teacher for nearly 40 years on Long Island. She raised me and my older brother, Scott, now a grandmother to four kids and joins us straight from my childhood home on Long Island. Hi, mom. Hi, everyone. Jill, actually you stole my baby and I'm very proud of her. All right. So I want to start with this question. Hopefully relatively easy. We're putting out this podcast on Mother's Day weekend, 2023. And I wanted to start, Carol or Debbie, feel free to begin here. What this holiday brings to mind as grandmothers and his moms, now here talking on this podcast, your grown children, I'll begin with you, Carol. Mother's Day thoughts as we begin here. You know, I always thought of celebrating Mother's Day for my mother and then for my daughter, I just, I don't know if I'm being selfless or what, but you know, I always felt it was very special. And you know, it makes me appreciate my family because I just think we're very fortunate to have each other. And I think as long as you have the love of a mother, it's, that's going to make everything okay, because especially as a teacher, I always saw that the children that didn't have that great, strong family unit, it really affected them a lot. And I just think that, you know, Mother's Day to me is love because I just think that as long as you have a lot of love for your children, your parents, your grandparents, I think it works both ways. And no matter what your situation is and no matter when, what time you lived, whether it was a hundred years ago or today with things changing so rapidly, I think love is the main ingredient. And it's the conditional love for your children. And you know, and hopefully they feel that. And you know, that's all you can do. And I think that's the most important ingredient to raising happy, healthy, productive kids. Mom, over to you. Oh, she said everything that I was thinking, but I'll add Mother's Day is every day. And it's a day to be thankful. Mother's Day was born in May, so it was absolutely perfect that my first Mother's Day was celebrated with most. And like Carol said, the first thought came to my mind was my own mother. So Mother's Day to me is every day to be grateful and thankful. And it's only getting better. How has it changed, Mom? You know, having a son now who's approaching 41 years old. It doesn't make a difference. To me, you're still a kid. And I love you, but I be pride. It's always been that I've always been so proud of you. Now it's going 40 years plus, but you make it very special. And like I said, a few years ago at your wedding, you made this mom thing very easy. It's funny that you guys both said that on Mother's Day, you don't think of yourself. You think of your own mothers. And I'm the same way, because I'm a new mom. And for me, I don't ever think it's about me. I still think it's about my mom and my mother-in-law. And I just, it doesn't even sometimes even cross my mind that I'm a mom too. And like this is my day also. But I just wanted to ask, because you both are mothers, you're both grandmothers, was there any age or stage of being a parent or a grandparent that you enjoyed the most? And also perhaps that you found most challenging? I would say for me, the most challenging thing about being a grandmother is trying not to impose my opinions and my thoughts about how my children should bring up their children. Is there something you want to tell me, Mom? I think I'm more open with you than I thought I would be. And I'm open with my son, like your brother Scott also. But I feel like I need to hold back. And I also feel like it's challenging for me to see something that I would change. But I also feel on the other side of that that it's almost a relief that I don't have to feel like it's my decision on those hard things and hard choices that you have to make. If you ask for my advice, I'll give it to you. But ultimately whatever decision you and Michael, your husband wants to make about your children, it's your decision. I don't have to worry that I made the decision and it might be wrong or right, or like I did with you and Scott. As a grandmother, you can think about things that you might want to say, sometimes saying them, but you don't have to worry that you have to ultimately make that choice. So that's kind of a relief. As far as the great things about being a grandmother, it's just indescribable joy. It's just such an emotional experience. Like I said before, it's all love and as much love as I gave and felt for you and your brother, it's multiplied so much. So many times with your children, with my grandchildren. And I guess it's just something that's inborn. I don't really know the reason for it, but it's the ultimate joy being with them. What's the expression? If you knew grandchildren were so fun, you'd have them first. Exactly. Exactly. It's indescribable. Mom, something that struck me that you said recently is you were talking about the amount of patience that you have for your grandkids as you were reflecting on being a grandmother versus a mom. Absolutely. I always tell people I would prefer to be grandma before I would have become a mom because I think I would have been a better mom. Explain that. You just want time to stop and you have an abundance of patience for these little guys, which I think they thrive on. As a mom, you think of all the things you have to do and the rushing all through your children's life is not important. It's the patience and the love and the repeat that little children love to do and they do appreciate it. So, that's probably why they climb on your laps and cuddle because they know they can get away with a little bit more. Times are different. Parents are under pressure to do so many things. And today is no different than 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 50 years ago. We have, I think, motherhood was always difficult and with all the advantages, it's just becoming more. You want to do more, accomplish more. But kids thrive on just the love and patience, being watched, being waited on and they'll do fine. I don't think you guys have anything to worry about in 2020. The internet is full of information. It's probably why you analyze and think, I should be doing this, I should be feeding them this. They should be going to these classes. On the other hand, fall back and your instincts and your kids will do all right. And that's what I try to do. No, I totally agree with that. I think there's a lot of pressure on parents today to just engage in so many different activities with their kids and because of everything online, because of just the way life has evolved with kids not just going out and playing anymore, but having to be involved in organized activities and exactly what you said, using your instincts, where just go with you gut as they say. This morning when Moshe had thrown me, he said, we're going to talk about the 80s versus 2020. What was the first thing I did? I ran to the internet. And they had information comparing 1980s to 2020, but it sounded as if the 1980s were the good old days, which were referred to in our time as the 50s. Children playing outside, but the 50s were different than the 80s. But it's always a good time and it's always a rough time. So you just have to go with it. I'm curious with the advantage of time and seeing how technology has evolved. Now there's like live stream cameras. You can watch your baby's sleep and we have cell phones and we have the internet. Are there certain technologies that you see today and you look back and you're like, wow, I really wish I had this when I was raising you guys? Well, I really wish I would have been able to close the door and be able to watch my baby's sleeping because I was always nervous. With the cribbed-death and all the things that you worry about when babies are first born and when they're still in that crib. I was always quietly opening the door, going in. I put my hand on their tummy or their chest to make sure that they were breathing and feel the air going up and down. That's one thing I wish I was able to see, thinking about that now. I mean, experience that so much with my grandchildren. I still do that though, by the way. I still go in even with the camera if they haven't moved in a while, especially when they were really, really young. I'm like, I haven't seen movement in about 45 minutes and I'll go in and I'll just put my hand and just make sure that the chest is going up and down. So I think that still happens. That's mom's instinct. I think because we're moms, because we're women, we say and feel the same. I was curious because I'm a working mom, of course, and there's a lot of guilt that comes with that. Just the time that you're not necessarily with your kid, where you're away and either the dad is with them or a caregiver in some capacity. You were both working moms. Motion I turned out okay, I think. So I'm wondering, did you guys ever have that mom guilt being working moms back when you were younger? Well, I mean, I was fortunate that I didn't work till you actually went to first grade. And of course, I was a teacher, so I worked pretty much the hours that you were in school. But of course, there were things, certain trips and things like that that I wish I would have been able to go on when you were in school and I was working. Although I did try to time things so that I could go on them and take my days when I needed to do things for you and for Scott. But I think being a working mother is a great example for your kids. I think you could do everything. And I think that even if I had worked those first few years when you were really little, I mean, one of the reasons that I didn't was because childcare was so expensive that when we figured it out, I didn't really pay to do it for me. And we did make sacrifices by not having that extra income for those first few years. But I think that it's more, you know, it may sound cliche, but it really is the quality of time that you spend with your children. As long as you give them the attention and you do things with them, it doesn't, I think it doesn't matter if you're working or not. You're giving what you can in the love and in the attention and in the quality of the time that you spend with your children. Maybe you're working or not. And like I said, I think it's a great example because things were different. We were, when I had you, we were sort of on that cusp of a lot of women staying home and not working and those that did work. You know, things changed. Just like with my sister, who's seven years older than me, very few women worked after they had kids. So when I had you, it was in the process of changing and I think it's a good thing. I think it's such a great example because girls, women can do everything today. And I hope that I was a good example for you of working and really having a productive and happy life. I mean, I loved what I did. I don't know if everybody loves their job, but I really did. And I think that that was an important lesson also. You want to be able to do something that you really love with your life and you can do that and also be a mother. Have your own profession, whatever it is you want to do. And I think that just adds to the quality of things that you're giving to your child. I'm not hearing any guilt there. I don't feel bad. I'm not feeling that good. You shouldn't. Yeah. Mom, I'm curious your answer to that question and I'll preface this by telling everybody that we had a unique set up growing up. So my mom is managing the household. My mom and my dad have a business together cabinet shop that she's at five days a week. We had the, I think the good fortune of going to work with our parents, my brother and I, we effectively would go with them and hang out at the cabinet shop and pick up odd jobs around the shop and go on delivery runs. If not, we'd go hang out with my mom in the office, et cetera. And then mom, you know, starting at a relatively engaged, you were also working weekends at the hospital. So would love, you know, your response to that and your feeling around that, managing, you know, raising the kids, but also your various professional commitment. Right. Mom guilt here, I admit. And that's due to the fact I had less time to be with you guys. And there's laps, lapses where I forget what was really going on in your lives. Uh, most was wonderful. I worked, uh, at the cabinet shop. We brought the boys. They had lunch with their dad. They saw what we did, which I'm thankful for because in the 80s and currently they knew exactly where we were. They could picture us and they were a part of our environment, the working environment. I began working evenings. Uh, their dad stayed home with them, uh, on the weekend nights, which was good experience for them as well as, uh, Charlie, their dad. Uh, but it was a little, it was tiring for me. It wasn't exactly the situation I loved, but it was something I had to do. I knew I was helping them in another manner, bringing money in and insurance and necessities. If I would do it today, I don't think I would have worked on the weekends. I'd prefer to have been at home. Uh, but that's just me. Yeah. Well, that's why I feel like I was really lucky being a teacher because I basically was working when they were in school. So I was just fortunate that that was the profession that actually my mother encouraged me to go ahead and teaching. Debbie, I totally can relate to what you just said because I used to work really unorthodox hours where I anchored a morning show and I was in the office really, really early. So for two, almost three years of my daughter's life, I was not around at all in the morning. So I didn't see her when she got up and I, then when she started in school, I wouldn't see her until almost two 33 o'clock in the afternoon. And I regret it. I had a, I loved my career at that point, but I really regret the time that I had missed there. And I've spoken to other women that I'm friendly with who are also in this profession, who also have anchored morning shows or our reporters for morning shows or work on morning shows. And a couple of them have said the same thing to me where they've loved their career. But really when you step back from it a little bit, they've said they can't believe how much they missed. And it's hard. It's just, I think it adds to kind of what we go through, which is it's just not easy. You, you try to make decisions for yourself or your family, but you can't be everywhere at once. Right. Too much on our plates and hand sight is what we're talking about. I was, as a new mother, a young mother, I was doing things that I felt were right. The boys were safe. They were loved, well fed, but looking back on at it, I would have loved to have spent more time. Most was helpful. He used to leave me notes, especially when I was working late at night. And he would leave me these love notes, which I just came upon. I don't even remember reading them the first time, but he had, he had shared what was going on in the afternoons with his brother, Yoni, with Abba. And I appreciated so much. And this, these are notes that I found recently packing up to move from our home in Chicago. So you kept up, you kept a lot, mom, as we were packing up. I know, but you wrote such sweet notes. And because of that, I feel like I should have been home or I regret not. I hope I acknowledge those notes, you know, those time moves. Well, yeah, I hate that you feel a guilt because I never felt neglected by you. I just want to know that. And I know when you went to college and I'm sure when Jill went to college, I just try to absorb every part of your life. And I think I have a better memory of the last 20 plus years than the first 20. It's interesting actually. So Jill, I threw out questions on Instagram just before we began recording here and started to get a few saying, we're interviewing our moms. What do you guys want to know? And so we've started to get some messages. There's a question from Sam Krasnik who says, ask your moms, what was your favorite age of your kids and why? If you can pick a favorite time period or age, Carol, favorite age of young Jill or adult Jill? I think my favorite age was anytime in elementary school because she was delicious and sweet and always was delicious and sweet. But as she got to be more of a teenager, she did give me a very good feeling. Very hard time. You are. No, I did. I feel bad. You really did. And get ready, Jill, because your little Alex is, she's Jill 2.0. So, you know, I mean, I was always super proud of everything she did because she really, from the time she was in, you know, a little one, I mean, until now, forever. But the age that I enjoyed the most without the extra stress was really when she was younger because she didn't fight me. She was, she, she spoke her own mind. It's, you know, hard for two adult women to live in the same house. And strong-minded, which I think is great because I think that makes her what she is. So, but it was very stressful for me because I had to watch everything that I said. I was not easy. He would battle me on it. But I think when she was, I remember when she went to camp for the first time, she was only, I think, at the end of second grade. She wanted to go to camp because her brother was there and she was just so delicious. She's still delicious. You know, but it was, and now I look at Alex and I see the same thing. She's just so sweet. But I think that was the age because I could, I could do her hair however I wanted, dress or however I wanted, as she got older, she just, you know, she left me in the background. I'm going to do everything myself. I'm going to do this. I want to do this. I let him make her own choices because she was, she was very independent. And so I love the independence, but I also, it's always a split thing with mothers. You want your kids to be independent, but you also want to pamper them and take care of them in a way that you're going to dress them. It's okay, mom. You're allowed to say that I was tough in high school and middle school as I got older. You don't have to qualify it. Mom? I think the difference this morning is boys and girls. So I guess I'm thankful I have three grandchildren, two are little girls. So it's a whole new experience. But as far as my sons, the little, you know, the toddler stage, early, early first grade, second grade, third grade I enjoyed watching. But I can tell you, if we're talking about motion, this brother, it's the current. I'm so proud and enjoying being a mom because I love seeing them as an adult. I think our relationships have evolved. So waiting to hear from them and knowing that they'll call and have wonderful conversations with them 24 seven. I just am crazy about last night. I talked to my son, and she from Chicago for almost an hour. And it was such a good feeling because I can wait for their calls. I don't need to call and say, why aren't you calling me? They come to me. And I guess that's the important part about being a mom, to give them distance, but the flexibility to say, hey, I can call my mom anytime and not to hesitate. And that was my wish about being a good mom, is being there when they needed me and knowing they can reach me at any time. Yeah, that is the best feeling knowing that they're not, they can, they can always reach out to you. You're still the one they call when there's a problem. My husband always laughs and when my son calls and he'll say, can you put mom on? We know it's something really, something he needs my special advice and it always makes me feel so good. That's it. It's super. And then they reach out to us when it's good times. You know, they just want to share, I see that especially with Moshe. All of a sudden he and his wife are driving and they just want to share the moment with me and there's no better feeling. I'll give a lot of credit to my wife Alex there. I actually think that she has, like I probably like wasn't as communicative as I should have been mom in college and through my twenties, etc. But now being married, I think Alex definitely makes a point being like your mom would appreciate seeing you. Right. She brought off those qualities that you didn't know you had but beautiful qualities. But you've always had those qualities, but you were so dizzy. You know what it is because my in-laws also have two boys the same way that you guys do. And when you have a daughter-in-law, I think it just is different because girls are just I think naturally maybe a little bit more sentimental and there's an expression. There's like your son who's your son so he has a wife, but your daughter is your daughter for life. And there's a little bit of truth to it. And I think if you have a good daughter-in-law, they hopefully include you in everything. And you do. And I'm blessed with two beautiful daughter-in-laws. And the boys were always teasing me as they were growing up. They said, you should have had a daughter. So now I have the two daughter-in-laws and I love them. I was always saying, you know, we're waiting for the third child at some point. Yeah. No, but it is very true. It's boys and girls. It's a different experience. It really is. And it's beautiful no matter what. So it's great. You have two sons, so then you gain two daughters as your daughter-in-laws. And you appreciate them in a totally different way. And I'm lucky because my daughter-in-law is also so thoughtful and always is the one that includes me with everything. And I know it's her influence that I get as many face times and phone calls on the car or eyes with the face times with the kids. And it's beautiful. And I think that I attribute it to what I said at the beginning, it all comes down to love. I think if you give that unconditional love to your kids, which to me, and I'm sure to you, it just comes naturally. They feel that and they return it. And then they add to their kids. But you give, you get back, and even a bigger way. Most, should you get any other questions? I have a number of questions here. I actually think this is a great one from Jest, which asks, I'll direct this one first to Debbie. Are you ready, Debbie? What did you worry about for your kids that turned out to be okay or better than you imagined as you were raising us? Were there things you were worried about? And then it turned out to be totally okay. It might have been something temporary while we were kids or something later. Were there things that you were thinking about that now you're like, oh, that was silly for me to even be worried? I guess the influence of others, other peers, I was never afraid. We were always in a good neighborhood. But I was always afraid you'd be highly influenced by your peers. And that would cause a conflict with the family. You probably were influenced, but not to a great extent. Yeah, what are you tripping that to? And when you guys were worried about that, did that affect how you parented us or things that messages that you gave us? Perhaps we watched over you. I had a different upbringing than Charlie. He came from a big family, so he just said, let them be. They're going to be okay. But because I grew up in a similar type atmosphere that you guys grew up, I was influenced by others. Materialism was always on my mind. So I didn't want you guys to think we didn't have what others have, and you would feel resentful. We did a good job with that, and just for context here. So my mom grew up, actually it's interesting, mom. It's 1950s, suburban Chicago. You guys are in the suburbs. Your siblings are named Jimmy and Judy, Jimmy, Judy and Debbie. Boomer kids, etc. My father, born in Marrakesh, one of seven, would eventually live in Israel and come to America, and that's where you met. So I had two very, very different experiences growing up. So, Carol, your thoughts on things you were concerned about as a mom growing up and things that turned out to actually be okay? Well, I also was worried about the influence of others. I always felt that I wanted them to be in a good school where they would have good people around them. But then when I was teaching, I realized that it didn't matter where they went to school. There were always negative things around, and I was just always worried that they might follow the negative rather than the positive. That turned out to be nothing to worry about. I also, and I guess it's probably a worry of people today, I was always worried about their safety. And just whether I didn't want them to get hurt, I was worried about the abductions and things like that. Just not being safe. That was something I realized I really didn't have to worry about it, but I just get. That was a big worry of mine, but they were lucky. They were actually good students. I didn't have to worry about their school or anything like that. I did worry about their safety. And I just may be to an over extent, but I think people, I think actually today it might even be. Well, I was going to say, you guys were raising and worried about safety, the era of no cell phones. I mean, literally, there was jokes about this on the internet now, but literally, like after school, I might go ride my bike somewhere. You wouldn't know for hours where I am. You just kind of assume he might be with a friend, etc. You're right. But I was hands on. I was much more aware. It wasn't like when I was in the 60s where I was riding all over the place, not telling my folks where I was, and they would say, come home before it gets dark. I think we were a little bit more watchful. As far as cell phones, I was thankful the cell phones came in. Of course, as you were learning to drive. So I bugged you guys, not asking you where you were. And if you wanted to answer, you answered, but eventually you came home. Yeah, it's crazy because when you talk about the cell phones, before cell phones, it was call me as soon as you get to your friend's house. Call me. Let me know where you are. And then it was the beepers. Beepers. They had the beepers school. But it's, I guess that was really my biggest fear. And to be quite honest, it's still a fear of mine now. I think that it's because of the way life is. For example, a lot of districts where we live now on Long Island, they have total busing for elementary school children. And it's because of security. We live a block and a half away from the elementary school that Scott and Jill went to. And they, if they were going to, and they used to walk to school, we used to walk with them, of course, until they got home. I don't remember. But how? I used to drop you off because you stayed in school early because they, you went early because I was working. I went early because you were working and there was a crew, there was a small crew of us who were there before the, you know, before school started, who had working parents, or two working parents. And it was so fun. We would do really races. It was never one of those like, oh my God, we have to go to school early. It was, it was great. Just when you talk about the guilt of working, which I know you don't have, but if you did, we had so much fun. But I remember walking home from school just by our, well, maybe when we were older, we walked home from school by ourselves. But we were a block away. I mean, we weren't far. It wasn't dangerous. Right. And Scott was three grades ahead of you. Yeah. So by the time you went, you were in first, he was in fourth. So, yeah, so going home. But we used to drop you off before and it just shows the difference at that time because we dropped those kids off and they kind of hung out in the lobby and they were, they were basically unsupervised. They just, you know, they were there, the teachers were coming into school. Now, most schools have before and after school programs, you know, that parents pay for so that they can drop the kids off when they go to work in the morning. So, you know, that itself was so different. But today it's, it's, this is a big issue with, with being a parent today. Because as I said today, the kids that live on my block, they get bused to school because and it's really because of security. They don't want kids walking alone. It's, it really, it's a shame. I think it's a sad commentary on society, but that's a whole other issue. But that was always a worry. As a matter of fact, I was been cleaning things out and actually found this, this, this, this big envelope and it had, I did the child and it was your fingerprints and all things that about you so that if you did get abducted, they would, there was a way that they could find you or at least help find you. And that was, you were definitely either in kindergarten or elementary school, but you know, maybe even earlier. And I guess that's always a worry of kids. But that was my biggest worry, losing my sweet little children. I still say that today. I'll tell whenever we get off the phone or I text or if I hear something on the news, it's like I relate it. So we're always moms. I guess this is the takeaway. You're always a mom and these kids are always in your heart. And think of for the technology that they can answer back so quickly. But the worries, that's part of being a mom. So several people have asked, just given that we're both journalists and we host this podcast, when our parents saw an interest in news, somebody said, are there video clips of you as children doing fake broadcasts? I will say this. We didn't have a camera, but we have audio, there's cassette tapes. I don't know if we could set a player anymore, mom, but we used to do fake radio shows, I think, in middle school. Middle school. That was with your friends, right? And the cassette that I found a few months ago, if you had Monus on it. No way. Yeah, I think it was high school. So I kept it safe somewhere in this house. So if we can find a cassette player, we could find out what exactly I was calling Monus in the mid 90s, but apparently it existed at the time. Right. But as far as Moshe, I'll take it. He was a toddler, probably two and a half, three years old, sitting with his grandma, who had the patience to show him the world atlas. That was his favorite book. It was bigger than him, but they would sit and look at the world atlas. And that's a fond memory. And taking him to the library, which we did probably a couple of times a week, he would try to find a nonfiction, which was kind of difficult in the juvenile section. But I was one of the few elementary kids that didn't want to read fiction. I just wanted to read that. Right. He just wanted to go to the nonfiction. So he would probably pick up the books, return the books, wait until they were shelved, and then remove them again and take them home. But he was into that. But we read plenty of others. But his favorite was the nonfiction. So, and the famous story that you love to recite, Mosh, has been given a quarter to get an ice cream cone downstairs. But he would bring up the daily news. That's pretty amazing. That's his favorite. That's his favorite. Well, Jill, she was always the little busy buddy. She had to know about everything and ask why and how. And always was telling what went on. She was always a detailed person. I'll never forget my son and her. They would come off the bus from a camp. And I'd say to my son, how was camp? Good. What'd you do? We had fun. And right on. My name is Jill and she'd say, well, I got off the bus. I went to my locker. I opened it up. I took out my bathing suit. I changed into my bathing suit. And it gave me a blow by blow. And of course, when she was in elementary school, I actually, my husband and I were discussing it before. I actually have videos of her as a reporter at several, ones with my son and sitting at a desk down in my day. I have another one where she was in the couch, in the living room with another friend. We still have them. My friend, Lindsey Kraft, who happens to be an actress in Los Angeles right now and a musician. And we joke because I'm the journalist and I was interviewing her. And she was, I think she played Marla Maple. There was a whole skit where she was Marla Maple's and my brother was Donald Trump. And I was interviewing them. Stop it. We need this. I have it. It exists. I will find it. Most you will love it. I mean, who knew how relevant that sketch would be, Jill, 30 years later. I have a fond memory that came up last night because I was, I think most was in fourth grade and I remember him coming home and he talked about school and the first, and he had told me, says, you know, mom, I'm so frustrated with my classmates. And I asked him what's going on. He said, these kids don't care. They don't know about the world outside. They don't know about the news. And this was in fourth grade. So I knew something, something greater was even on the horizon for him. But that, he says, I just want people to know what's going on. And I said, you know, most kids today, most parents, they just live in their own little world. It's a great thing that you want to know about the outside world. I think that's what we try to teach them, that there is a big world outside where they grew up and there's people who are, you know, the unfortunate. There's war and the fact I wanted them to learn about what others are going through rather than themselves. And their problems aren't as big as what other kids are going through. Empathy is the big word that I have to say that Moshe picked up especially. And I'm proud of him. And whenever he uses the word, grateful and he shows what's going on, I fall back on what we try to teach the boys that there's a big world out there and you have to feel for others. I think that story though, Moshe, that you came home in third grade or fourth grade and it said you were frustrated that other kids didn't want to know what was going on. That's got to open up your memoir. That's got to be the lead in your memoir. When I was nine, I wanted to talk about what was on the network news and just my fellow nine-year-olds didn't want to do that and it very much frustrated me as I told my mother. I was also, I mean, I remember this, like for some reason, you know, I remember wanting to get extra points in school from memorizing dates. In fact, I was related to social studies and the teachers are like, oh, it doesn't matter if you get the dates wrong. And it really upset me to my core because I thought it was very important to remember historical dates. There you go. Little Moshe. Little Moshe with the details. Yeah. They did well. But it sounds to me like, and I think this speaks to like, you know, as moms are raising their kids, as parents are raising their kids, how much of it is innate, right, is ensuring that like, recognizing the things your kids are interested in and ensuring they can be successful in that and how much of that? Because one of the questions we got was like, how did you instill news or journalism into your kids? It sounds like it was the opposite. Your kids came to you with their interests. I think a lot of it is innate. I think, I think as far as being a news person and being, you know, putting yourself out there to try to explain to other people what's going on in the world. I think that's something that comes from within, to be able to be able to want to express yourself to others and not be afraid to express yourself to others. That doesn't come easily to everyone. I think that has to be born to be able to speak to a crowd of people, not feel intimidated by that. And I'm glad that we were, I just felt like I didn't want to hold Jill back. If she wanted to do something, let her do it. Honestly, I knew that when she decided that she wanted to go into on-air journalism, that was a really tough, that's a tough profession. And I think that it's great that she's doing something with her life that she loves. I just think that's what it's all about. It bothered me when I would listen to other people say, you know, they hate their jobs and they can't wait until they retire. You know, I didn't feel like that and I didn't want my children to feel like that. And if you could, if you're something you love and you could do that, then make a living at it and do that as your lifetime profession, I think it's very fortunate and not everybody could do that. So if that's your child's interest, I think nurture it even if it's far-fetched. I mean, I'm an art teacher, so artists, that's a hard profession. And you know, my mother discouraged me from being just an artist or a commercial artist because when I first graduated from college, I worked in commercial art for a couple of years. It was very tough and then, but I had also taken my, gotten my teaching license because my mother, she encouraged me to do that. And so when I, you know, I started in the city and they point you and they are on a list, et cetera, et cetera. So when I finally got called, it was a big decision to leave one and go to the other. And I wound up going, I just felt very influenced by my parents and I did go into the teaching and I did not like it at first at all. But eventually when I found my niche, which was elementary art, I felt like I died and went to heaven. I just loved it so much and to this day I feel so lucky that I had a job for so many years that I really loved. And, you know, and so I was loving it at the time that my children were already graduating high school and starting college and beyond. So I felt that if Jill had something she was passionate about, even if it was a hard profession to realize, I wanted to support her in every way I could. And this is the result. Yeah. I agree. You said that beautifully. We watched Mosch. We had confidence with what he was doing. And we just supported him the best way we can. When he went off to college, I said, this is the best thing for him. I said, he's going to fly now. So we just waited and we were amazed to see the accomplishments. And there isn't a day that goes by that we don't say how proud we are and people don't have to remind us of that either. And we listened when he had something to tell us and he seeked our guidance. I hope we provided enough for him. But the best is just to sit and wait and watch and know that your kid is going to be okay. You know, what's interesting is that Mosch and I, and you talk about this from a young age, it was very clear that the two of us, this is what profession we were going to go into. We weren't going to do it to make money. We were interested in news and journalism and this is what we want to do. And we both have siblings who this couldn't be further from what they want to do. And I think that as parents, at least right now, it's like we want our kids to be successful and we're, you know, there's so much pressure on them to do this and do that and have a tutor and do this sport and this club. And it sounds like ultimately in this debate versus nature versus nurture, we are who we are. And it may not necessarily be influenced by anything that parents did. No, I think it definitely, it's something that is definitely in them because, you and Scott went in, your brother went in totally different directions and you had the same SAT tutoring. You had the same basic, same education and your choices were to do different things. You know, he was more athletics and it's just, you know, it was a totally different, totally different kind of experience. And it was because of the things that you desired and that he desired, not what we wanted you to do. You know, we let you do what you needed to do. Because I always felt like even when it came to college, and I'm saying this because I think that it relates to what you're talking about, people, you know, with Ivy League and this and that and everything. I always just said, the most important thing is that you're happy in school. If you're not going to be happy, you're not going to stay in school. You're going to be miserable. You're going to transfer. You're going to, you know, so you have to let your kids, you have to guide them. It's hard. It's hard being a parent. You have to guide them, but you still want them to be happy. You don't want them to choose something to that they're going to, you know, you don't want them to fall off a cliff, but you want them to be successful and be happy and content in their life because of all the other, you know, you start to think about all the other psychological things that go on and you hear kids that get depressed and those were things that were very concerning to your father and I because we, you know, you, your friends, you hear things and you know about, you know, we, we, we things and you know about all these instances with unhappy kids, you know, they have unhappy lives and sometimes they want to end their life. They want, you know, it sounds dramatic, but it's not really that off scale. When you think about your kid going away to school or doing something and they're not in your house anymore, you want them to be happy. I have a couple of other questions, but first, mom, anything that's been on your mind here. Like Carol had said, we want you to be happy. We wanted, I think it's important for us to be able to expose you to, that's it, I forget it. Yeah, I think, you know, and we got a question about this about fostering interest, right? Identifying what your kids are interested in and then creating opportunities or helping them to cultivate that. Moshe, I can't wait until you're a parent because you're going to, you're going to look back at this conversation and you're going to, you're going to realize how hard, how hard we worked as mothers. Oh, I, I give you an incredible amount of credit and it, it, it goes to one of the questions that we got here from somebody who says, what advice would you give married moms to engage their husbands more in family stuff, in caretaking of the children? Is there anything that was useful in that? How, how did the roles or responsibilities go? And, and the question from one person is like advice for moms to get the, the dads more involved in things. I think today it's, it's a much better world that the mothers would want their husbands to share childcare and take over at times. Even if they don't do it the same way as the mom, I think it's important for the father to be able to fall, fall in and parent their kids and do the hard work and do the day to day type, take them to day care, pick them up from day care, take them out to dinner. Now this is something that, uh, Moshe's, uh, brother did last night and he told me, he says, mom, I don't know how Emily does this. I don't know how you did it. But I said, usually you'll find a way and you'll do it with love and your kids are gonna know that you're the dad, but you know how to take care of me as well. And I can run to you, uh, for any reason and know that you will take good care of me the way mom does. Mom, you would agree we were, I think, unique in that my father is really involved with stuff and I don't think you had to even encourage it necessarily. No, I think, uh, I didn't. I, daddy was, uh, was before his time because I think that today, uh, fathers actually, uh, do participate, uh, a lot more than, uh, than they ever did. And I think that it's become a more accepted and natural thing for dads to be involved with their kids and take them places, uh, and, and do things with them. That the everyday type of things, just, you know, like going out and, uh, bathing and feeding, changing kids. Uh, I think that it's more natural today for dads to do that than ever and you were very lucky because your dad was very involved. We did not have to, uh, that was not a struggle for us. And I think that, uh, I think that having a father that's active in your life and that relationship with the fathers is really super important. But, um, no, I think that fathers are much more involved and now in everything. Uh, we look out the window to the school bus every morning and it literally is all fathers bringing their kids to the school bus. It's an amazing thing. We, we talk about it all the time because the fathers are there at 745 in the morning putting those kids on the bus. I can appreciate the new mom. I can respect the new moms today and appreciate and respect the new dads. I love to see how the dads are involved, uh, their desire to be involved. Uh, it wasn't that way in our time, at least for me personally because it's how you grew up. My boys and most in the future will, uh, take on roles that he didn't see his dad set as an example. Uh, and that's okay too. That's okay too. Well, part of, I think also part of like being raised and then deciding how you want to be his parents is also picking and choosing, right? From the buffet. Of course, either you're going to be like them or you're going to say it was okay, but I'm going to do it differently. I heard it said to me recently that you know you, you're forming your own. I can't say it's a good idea. And I'm going to say, you know, I'm going to say it's a good idea. I'm going to say it's a good idea. I'm going to say it's a good idea. I'm going to say it's a good idea. I'm going to say it's a good idea. I'm going to say it's a good idea. I'm going to say it's a good idea. I'm going to say it's a good idea. I'm going to say it's a good idea. I'm going to say it's a good idea. I'm going to say it's a good idea. I'm going to say it's a good idea. I'm going to say it's a good idea. I'm going to say it's a good idea. I'm going to say it's a good idea. Well, my mother, she was very strong minded and really tried to influence me in a lot of ways, as I said, with just going into being a teacher, which turned out in the long run to be a blessing and wonderful for me. My mother, she was a great cook. There were just a lot of things that she did that I really did not do as a parent, but my parents, they had four children, I have two. It was different. You're right. You pick and choose. The first thing that I have to say, my parents were extremely loving and nurturing. It's that unconditional love that you just, I think that's the thing that always stayed with me, the hugs and the kisses. I felt like I could go to my mother for anything. That feeling that no matter what it was, I could go to my parents with it. I didn't have to hide anything. I think that was the biggest lesson for me, and I hope that I instilled that to my kids, that confidence, that no matter what it was, if it was bad or good, they could come to me with anything. I think that's the biggest takeaway from my child, is the unconditional love. To me, that's what life is all about. I was just lucky that I had that. I think you did instill that, at least with me, and I'm sure with Scott also, is that we did feel that way, that we didn't have to really hide anything. If there was a problem, we could tell you, and it wouldn't be the ends of the world. That is something that I am trying to do for my kids. Obviously, the baby's too young at this point, but with Alex, I always try to say, I'm not going to be mad. Just tell me what's going on. We'll figure it out. You're not in trouble, et cetera. I didn't realize that that came from grandma, but it's a great lesson. I'm glad to hear that. That makes me feel so good. It's one of the whether it's the 1900 or 2051. It's all about unconditional love and confidence that you instill in your children. Mom, lessons from Granny? Granny. Growing up, I know how much I saw her work hard. She was a wonderful example as a wife who worked hard. She took care of the house. She took care of the kids. She made a beautiful place for us to come home to feel safe. Extremely protective. She was very watchful, so I felt at times that I couldn't tell her everything, but it worked out. It worked out. She wanted me to be educated. She wanted me to become a wife, a good mother, and just to love and protect my children. But also to be strong and to be confident as a woman and wife. Do you think, I mean, so you guys kind of both grew up in the boomer age and your parents were from a previous generation where they had been instilled certain things. I think officially it's either the greatest generation or the silent generation. I forget what they call it depending on when they were born. And mom in particular, you're coming of age in the late 60s or early 70s and the hippies and all the various stages that were happening there. Were there things where you realize, oh, this is definitely something from a buy-guy guy near her? When I'm a mother, this is not something I'll do necessarily. Ways in which you diverged from your mother. One thing I heard in the house, and it's not the greatest thing to say is, tell us the good news. Always bring home the good news. Don't always share what you feel that you have to keep quiet on. But just tell us the good news. And I felt in my heart that's not the way to be. I want the kids to come at any time and tell me whatever they had to say. Not to hide any feelings, especially boys because boys keep a lot inside. And I didn't want them to be afraid to talk and tell me what's going on. Especially a lesson I got from my father who also very much is be a soldier. Keep it inside. Things could be worse. Do you know how bad it was for me? Right. And I always told the boys, you've got to think in terms of what he went through and you've got to be in his shoes. But you've got to wear both pairs of shoes sometimes. You've got to know that there's a different side to things. And not to be afraid to show emotions. And I see that in my voice that when they're happy, they show their emotions. When they're unhappy, again, they'll voice what's going on and not be afraid to be angry at a person. You can still love them and show a soft side as well. I really enjoyed this conversation. I've learned a lot about young Jill. He and Jill in particular is interesting to me. And I think it's worthy Carol of a separate podcast with great anecdotes. I mean, you know, the questions we keep getting Jill is like, favorite memory of young motion Jill. Favorite this, favorite that, did you ever have to ground them? You know, like people are very, it seems some people are very interested in specific anecdotes of our youth. So I guess we could end there potentially Jill with Carol and Debbie, which is, you know, we've gone into some memories here. If there's anything else that comes to mind as we conclude here on this special edition of the podcast, favorite memories are parting thoughts. Whoever wants to take it first. Well, this is a really a parting thought. But when you talk about an anecdote, we always wanted the kids to tell the truth and not, you know, and be very honest with us. And I'll never forget, they weren't allowed to take cabs because we were nervous about them being in it. We didn't care. Like I said, safety was for empowerment. Number one. We had to take care how many times we had to drive them someplace if we had to pick them up. No matter what time or what we would, we would drive them. We did not want them taking cabs. And I'll never forget Jill once took a cab with one of her friends. And I don't even remember exactly how it came out. Because her younger brother told on us. And told their parents and we got a phone call to come to her friend's house. And we're in the kitchen. And it seemed that the younger brother of her friend told that Jill and her friend took a cab, but it was okay. But they said it was okay because her friend took a knife from the kitchen. It was kind of kitchen knife. It had a weapon on them. No, she took a butter knife. It was ridiculous. Armed with a butter knife. It had a butter knife. And the two of them are sitting in the back of the cab with a butter knife and they thought it was okay until little brother. So yeah, that was something that we still talk about that today. Since we were so positive, mom, any negative. That's cute. Most causing you trouble. The only thing that came up was what was it? Sixth grade, seventh grade. I guess you hadn't finished a report. And you told me, mom, I really need the day off tomorrow because I didn't complete my project. And I said, that's crazy. I'm not going to allow you to stay home. So a few hours later, I go into my room and on my dresser are all the little toys that I had bought for most through the years. He returned them to me because he was so angry about the fact that I wouldn't let him stay home and finish a project. How did you feel about that strategy? I giving you, giving you back all the gifts you made. I laughed and then I realized like you were really angry and I should have listened. You know, I could have listened to you and said, yeah, it's okay. Stay home. Finish your project. Take a mental health day. But I didn't know about those days at that time. They didn't exist back then. Right. But it was just so funny because it was the little special things I bought. So I had to think about it much more than just what you were telling me you were angry, but you gave it back to me big time. And the only thing I can tell about Moshe is if your view, first of all, I want to thank all the viewers and support that you guys get. It's amazing. It's amazing. When I listen to you every day, watch your lives. I appreciate the support that you get from everybody and the love. But I'll tell your viewers if they ask me about Moshe, I said he was the little three-year-old who hardly said a word. He was latent in his speech. And the fact that he had his brother call his friends up because Moshe at one time was very shy, probably similar to what I am today. But he was a shy little boy for quite a few years. And who would think that he's on his podcast every day and outgoing and... Back when you had to... I love that. And now I remember this, you're bringing up memories. Went back in the day when you had to order pizza by phone. I was scared to call the pizza place to order pizza. It's so interesting to hear that as a new mom, as a relatively new mom, because you think that your kid's personalities are set in stone, but they're really not. And you don't know it until they're much older and you could look back and say something like, Moshe, you were too nervous to even call the pizza guy or whatever, or your friends and look at you now. And I think that in some ways that's actually really comforting because it feels like ultimately things will work out. Things works themselves out and you become who you're going to be. And for me, one of the things that I'm taking away from this conversation is that you both talked about, right now I'm a mom, I'm struggling with motherhood in the year 2023 when we have smartphones and the internet and so many other challenges that didn't exist back when I was growing up. And to hear you guys talking about what you thought was the golden era, the 1950s. So here we talk about our childhood. Like that was the best time and easier days, less complicated, out till it was dark out and our parents didn't worry about us. But I think everybody has this longing and this feeling that it was easier before, it was simpler times, but ultimately we're all okay. We all turn out okay regardless. Right. Especially you guys have confidence, things will be okay. As long as you want to be a good parent, that's very important. And let your kids be be confident, as a parent, be watchful, be loving, but give them room to grow, expose them to things that they're interested in, expose them to things that they may not be interested in at the time. But your kids are going to be okay. You'll be okay. Don't stress. There's just too much information out there and we're always questioning ourselves. But sometimes sit back and say, I'm going to do the right thing because I love them and I know that that's how it's always been. Being a good parent is worrying and it doesn't stop. It never stops. It never stops. So well said. I think that you have to do. Like you said, let your kids see and experience as much as they possibly can, but don't force them into things. Let them be happy. Let them speak their mind. Do the things they want to do. And as long as they have that unconditional love and feel like they're loved and supported by the people around them, the strong family. And things will work out because life is continuously evolving and changing and things will always be a little bit different than they were years before. But I think basic motherhood and love, that's always really the same. They've got some change. It doesn't. Well, thank you guys. We wanted to do this because motherhood is so hard. I think anyway, and especially when I was reading at the top, those headlines, it's just, I don't know if it's because of social media. Everyone's just talking about motherhood and its challenges or if it really is just that much harder. But moms deserve to be celebrated. And we thought what better way to do that than to bring our moms on. It's nervous as we were or as nervous as I was. Speaking of things that you were worried about that turned out not to be something you know, you talk about social media. We also had social media. We took you guys to preschool. We were at the school events and you listened to what other parents were saying, what they were doing, how they were moving into other homes. So I think in each era, there's a social media, but now it's just big time. Well, now you're hearing from strangers and it feels overwhelming. But I loved going on the positive note on the optimism note, mom. And you know, people ask me a lot, like, how do you deal on a Jill? I think you get this too. Like, you have so much negative news to deal with all the time. How do you remain optimistic? Well, you guys just heard my mom. Yeah. It's what goes on in your own home. Don't, you know, be concerned about what happens outside. But it's really building a home of love, unconditional love and having your kids come home and you know, come home and do their thing. And feeling safe in every way. We're both so thankful to have such amazing mothers and for your time today. Mom, I still need to figure out what decisions I'm making that you're not support, that you don't agree with, that you're holding your time. I'm not happy created. Jill, let it go. Let it go. It is full approval of your mothering. And I have to say, motion, Jill, and I'm sure that Deb feels the same way. Listening to you and Moshe every day, it's like sunshine in the morning, no matter what the weather is like. We're so proud of you. Really, it's indescribable. We made our dreams come true just by looking at the two of you on the screen really. Absolutely. It's my favorite part of the day, whether I listen. First thing, I look forward to it and it's a wonderful feeling. I can put the phone in my back pocket, take a walk and I've got you right there to listen to. I'm so thankful for that or I can watch you guys now. I watch you on YouTube. And that makes my day. My mom was one of the people requesting YouTube presses. Moshe kept saying, the people are asking, the people are asking for YouTube. And I'm like, who? Who is asking for YouTube? Among them is my mom. You met her. Debby. Right. On that note, a huge thank you to both of you so much for joining us on this podcast. More importantly, for just being amazing mothers throughout our lives. I love you. Yeah, we cannot say enough about both of you. And again, thank you guys for coming on. Oh, we love you. Thank you for what you're doing for us. You're giving it right back. Love you, mom. Happy Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day. Love you. Love you. Hi, Motionville. Hi, Motionville. Hi, Motion. Happy Mother's Day, Jill. Hi, I'm Michelle. I'm from Orange County. This is Melissa from Michigan. My name is Catherine. I'm from Denver, Colorado. This is Cara calling from Helena, Montana. Jill, bro. I live in Cincinnati, Ohio. Hi, this is Claudia. I live in Sugarland, Texas. Hi, this is Rebecca. And I am in Shannon. This is so California. My mom was a teacher like yours, and the thing I learned from her was to always reach out and look for the kids that were alone and reach out and include them. Keep your visits short, sweet, and don't be afraid to roll up your sleeves and do some dishes or bring some groceries, and you will have long, lasting relationships with friends and family. It was actually my mom's mom that gave me this good advice. She said, always take care of your teeth and your feet. She hadn't written very much in my baby book when I was a baby, and I asked her why she didn't. I was way too busy having fun flying with you to write in that book. And my mom's advice was always, if you can't taste the alcohol, it isn't worth drinking. The best piece of advice my mother gave me was 85% of what your children do they will grow out of. On the other 15%, you can't do anything about it anyway. The best piece of advice my mom gave me was that it always works out. Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers out there. Happy Mother's Day to all the moms. Happy Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day to you, Jill. Bye. Okay. .