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What does it feel like when you just you see my homes out there just take control of the game? Like what is that feeling for you as a head coach? It's a little bit like in the Super Bowl. I'm not telling you that's not to rub it in or anything but it's all right. It's gonna be all we want to be. We'll get you a hater. Just hang on. I'll pass it to you. I'll lend you my shirt. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, it is a hot seat today. Welcome back to New Heights. Presented by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by our friends at Fireball, the pound for pound undisputed. Best shot of the world! We are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey. He's my big brother, Jason Kelsey. I had a Cincinnati, Ohio. I started Cleveland, Ohio since an ady Bearcats. Don't forget it. New episodes come to you every Wednesday and subscribe on YouTube. Wherever you get your podcasts, follow on social media platforms at New Heights Show with 1S. Jason, can you tell the people why these seats are so hot today? As you can tell with Travis fumbling over the intro, we're nervous. We're nervous because this is the one interview we've been looking forward to doing since we started the show. We got the guy who's responsible for getting us both into the NFL. He's right here with us. He's the 6-3 offensive tackle from John Marshall Heist. He isn't a former NFL coach of the year. Second in career ends among active head coaches. He is the only coach up here in four consecutive conference championship games with two different franchises. This year he became a two-time triple champion, which is, I know I should be sad, but I can't be sad about this. Not worth the 20s, baby! Took the world by storm with his state farm commercials last year. Who proved that he does have acting ability. That's it. You know who it is. It's the big man. Big red! Andy Reed is at the building! Coach Reed is with us! I don't know how we got this to happen. I mean, Travis finally, how did it happen? Travis finally asked you? Yeah, no, he asked me. He kind of asked me. We were just out on a fun wrap on, you know, Twitter. No, it wasn't Twitter. It was on our... In Texas, yeah. Yeah, in Texas. And I just bid on it like a big dog. That's cool, baby! Real to me. I'm in. I'm fully in and I'm in the grease to get out of this seat. But I'm ready. Are you upset that it took so long for him to act? Like, were you waiting for us to ask you? No, I'd heard through the grapevine that you guys were a little nervous to ask. Not that that's a good thing. Do you have that effect on every player? Like, is there something about us that you just want to make us look at? Listen, if you guys are nervous, yeah, I'd really be surprised. With all that we've gone through. Yeah, especially my left side. I got my right side and my left side. Let's get into it, man. So we're going to start off. We always do this thing, new news. Can you hit us with... We go, new news! New news! And then you do your version. You've done this? Yeah, let's go. But first, as always, new news! New news! New news! New news. All right, let's see what these new news is today. Trev, what did you finally text to get the big guy on the show? Man, I tell you what. I am softly just said that me and you would really appreciate it if you would consider it. And I'll tell you what, coach, you hit me with an all-time liner. And it really, you know, really made me feel like I was one of your as you said that, man, you really don't do this kind of stuff, but you would do a backflip for the Kelsey's baby. I got it. So me and Jason got a crazy bet. Have you ever done a backflip? You know what? Believe it or not, I took gymnastic class. What? I knew it! I did. How long? Yeah, that was about how high I got right there. Yeah, it was good. You know, we did the trampoline and the backflips and then did it into the pit. Yeah, the fun. That's when you started off. So I'm in college and, you know, all the pretty girls were on the gymnastics team and I had to do it right in front of them. You know, they were working out. Did you nail it? I kind of did. Yeah! Yeah, I was not surprised. Yeah. Yeah. This guy's done backflips before. Those days are over though. I gotta say, I have tried to do a backflip into a pool. I can't do it. My like brain has like a point where I get to like about halfway. Don't kill yourself. And then I just land on my head every single time. Don't do it. We need to bet you. We need to bet you a cheeseburger and you'll get over it. Then I'll find out how to do it. That's right. That's right. Throw the head back and let's roll. When you first heard that we were doing a podcast or a show in the middle of a season, what was your reaction? What did you think? Well, I knew with you heading it up that we'd be okay. See, it's a lot of pressure right there, but it worked out. My only worry was that you were going to retire. You're going to get so good at this, that you were going to retire. And then I didn't think it was so good. I knew you'd keep him under control. We saw each other the combine and you definitely were putting the, you were letting me know that unless you're fully ready to retire, you shouldn't do that yet. You don't want to do that yet. You got a lot in the tank. I appreciated that. It was awesome seeing you there. But listen, if you do retire, you got a good gig going right here. Yeah, no, yeah, we've set it up pretty good. We're having too much fun playing still. This is a nice side hustle, but I mean, we both met in the Super Bowl last year. Congratulations on number two. Yeah. Appreciate it. How many of you, you've been to five? Six. Yeah. Six. Man, I'm short-changing you. Three and three. Oh my gosh. Well, yeah, congrats on your second one. I appreciate it. I do. Not to you. Only do. Yeah. No, I, well, it's my job to get a moment of 500. So let's go, baby. Let's go. Let's go. Go. 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Make sure you click the link in the description to download the app. And let's get back to the show on it. All right. Now, let's get to this episode's edition of 12 bold topics with my head coat. Jason, why don't you lead us off? Yeah. The biggest and most important question of them all. So we got the draft coming up. So we think we'd start with the draft. You obviously drafted both of us. And I don't know if I've ever told you this story, but I was in the pro bowl one year and John Gruden was sitting there. And I think you guys had done a production meeting. And he said, you know, I saw Andy before one of the games. And I said, so you drafted Jason and you drafted Travis. And he said, your response was a jet drafted Jason drafted Travis. And if there's any other Kelsey's out there, I'll draft them too. So I'm asking you right now on the spot, why my daughter is three years old. If you're still coaching in 18 years, can we get another Kelsey draft? Absolutely. Yeah, I really got a why you got a baby girl. Do you remember what led to me getting drafted? And do you remember? I think we all remember what led to him getting drafted because all three of us were on the phone that day. I guess what's the story behind mine? Mine? And then we'll talk about your yours was really easy. So you're a great player, a little bit undersized. Yeah. But had tremendous toughness, speed, you were smart and dirty tough. And so I, you know, that was an easy decision. Yeah, and we needed a center. Yeah. And so you fit in, we just got rid of all that linebacker stuff and you gave you a hard mud and cut you loose. Yeah. This guy, I saw a play against temple. Yeah. And my son kept telling me this tight in his unbelievable Kelsey brother is like incredible. He's 265 pounds. He's a beast. And then I get an ice and I get a scouting. I know, but then I get him. He's like 240. But that's what I remember that I'm a break back in memory for you games over, they just destroyed temple. And I come over the locker room, you're there. Yeah. And he comes walking, beeping up and out and just giving me the business. Yeah. Like we're long lost friends. And I'm going, I'm deep down. I'm going, if I get my hands on that son of a buck, I'm going to rip his heart. But I play along with it. Yeah, I play along with it. Hockey, cocky, gamey is cocky. Yeah. But but listen, I, I knew the roots. I knew the roots. Yeah. So for the first five years, it's been, it was a war. The last five years been unbelievable. You know, he traveled the country to 50 states. I knew the show. I knew the show would be the show would be. Yeah. This is nothing good. We named plays after it. We've had our fun. And that play has been a hell of a play for us, coach. No, it has. It has. Constance. Not that show, though. Not that show. A show. We won't rerun that show. I don't think anybody's rerun. Do you think? So back to draft night, does Travis get drafted if you don't, if you hadn't drafted me and knew me already, but the red flags that were kind of out there around him? Yeah, that would have been tough. If you were in the league, I still would have called you. Yeah. Yeah. I would have called you somewhere I would have called you and checked on just to make sure because I had heard the rumors about them. Yeah. What do you think now having known those rumors and now having coached them for 10 years? Oh, yeah. So like I said, for like the first five years, those rumors were pretty close. Yeah. For the next five years, they've been awesome. Yeah. I mean, he's, you, I've watched some blossom leader and I mean, he's always been a great player, but yeah, tremendous leader, big heart teammates love him. You're not the only leader in the family. Do you know that? So Travis, show your personality, baby. That's right. That's one of the beautiful things that I think is behind your coaching philosophy is everybody gets to lead in their own way and Travis is his way. I do it mine. I think Travis's personality. He always cares about his teammates, always wants to win. He's just a little bit young and trying to have a little bit too much fun, but that's that's caught up. Never have too much. I told both of you guys, let your personality show. Yes. He threw the flag at the official. That was a man. You picked it up and handed it to him. That's the difference. That's an amazing clue. So I don't even know if we need to ask this, but who did you yell at most? Never. He, me, Travis? I was, I was worse with him. Yeah. No more points left. It was every day, baby. But hey, listen, that's how you know that I, that's how I knew that you saw something in me, though. So you already know, I never, I never reacted in a bad way. Did I? No, no, you didn't. I was always ready to just rock and roll, baby. Yeah. Yeah. Now you're again with it. You already know it's all you young guys out there. Don't be afraid to get yelled at. We got to ask this was Travis, Travis very upset that he wasn't the first tight end drafted, his draft year. Was he the first tight end on the Chiefs draft board that year? He actually was the first one. Really? Yeah. You're not making this up. No, no, no. We were going to get him. That's who you want. That's who we want. Yeah. John Dorsey was a part of this. I mean, you can double check with John, but I was a, that was a slammed up. Yeah. He was going to be a chief. I love it. I'm here. I'm fired up right now. Sorry. Sorry. Well, you got to get on. All right. Let's keep it going then. Career rewind here, coach. Let's talk some coaching stories. And let's talk a little coaching in the NFL. When did you first know that you wanted to be a head coach in the league? Yeah. So I wanted to be the best line coach ever. That's what I wanted to be college. And then if the pros worked out, it'd be the pros. Yeah. And then Mike Honger and said, I need to get out of the box. Which he was a quarterback. So I listened to him, right? We listened to the quarterbacks. Yeah. Sometimes. So, so I jumped out of the box and coach the tight ends. And then he goes, you got to get further out of the box and go coach the quarterbacks. So I coach the quarterbacks. And then once you get into that quarterback room, then you go, you know what, there's a chance this thing's going to happen. Yeah. And so, just because I'm coaching Brad Farve at that time was the greatest quarterback ever, right? So, I was very fortunate to have that opportunity. And so then I, you know, I had an idea that there would be a chance. Do you think coaching offers a line helped you? No, absolutely. Right. Yeah. Which way do you like more? If you can coach the offense of line, you can coach anything. Why do you say that? Because it's an abnormal position. Yeah. When you come out, eventually, you're going to run. Right? You're going to crawl, you're going to walk, you're going to run. Yeah. But you're not going to be in a three point state. That doesn't come normal. No, that's right. Do you like the online room or the quarterback room more? Truthfully, I'd like to all three positions. Okay. I have coach. I coach the center of the guard in the tackle. No, I've coached the whole line. The whole line, the quarterbacks and the tight ends had a blast in all three. Yeah. And there are different personalities for each position. The old line is the most stable of the group. The quarterback, the quarterbacks, along with the center, have to know the most. Right. And so you're open to that world, they have to deal with the media, the organization, how they lead the organization. And then the tight ends are somewhere right in the middle of that. Yeah. And they're normally a bit flamboyant. Kiss. That's a great word. That's a second time. Kill a cow. That's the attitude I'm going to use the for you from now on. Yeah. Truthfully. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He more chicken. We just talked about Holgram through BYU, Missouri, all the college teams and even in Green Bay or even in Philly. We like to talk mentors outside of just him. Are there any other mentors that really made impact here? Yeah, absolutely. I was lucky to have great high school coaches, youth coaches, high school coaches. Went to junior college, had great junior college coaches. I mean, we won championships kind of all the way along the line there. And then I go to BYU and I've got a Hall of Fame college coach in LaVell Edwards, who I was like the teachers pet with him. He treated me like Goldman. I love him and his family. And then I go into the college ranks in all these different places, the head coaches. I was actually with the same head coach at UTEP and Missouri, Bob Stull. Yeah. And phenomenal head coach and Larry Contarratt in Northern Arizona, who you met, the old guy that was at practice. 98 years old. He was a hell of a speech. Yeah, unbelievable. So all these guys, I just, I was so lucky to be around and they were great mentors for me. You know, they, and you take something from everybody as a coach and as a player. Same thing. Yeah, absolutely. So you take a little bit of something from them and you are you. That's what creates you. Right now. Yeah. One thing people do not know or can't really fathom about the life of an NFL coach. Can you give us any nuggets of gold there? Yeah. So, it's a, you're one out of 32 people in the whole world that have a chance to do it. Yeah. And so, you take on a certain attitude, I'm out of love coming to work. And even the bad, you know, you have good days and bad days, but the bad days aren't that bad. Yeah. And I think that's part of it. I think the part dealing with the media, people probably don't understand that part of it and how that's got to be worked and work through and the relationships that you develop there and how you handle that. So I'd probably say that. And then they probably don't know the relationships between the player and the coach. And so, you know, that's a little unique too. You wish people had that experience. And we take all these different people into a team and it's a little bit of a microcosm of life, you know, where you've got every race, religion, they come together and they don't really care what race, religion they are. Talk about a melting pot. Everybody just plays and joins in and pulls. And in the tug of war, they're all pulling the rope in the same direction. Yeah. I'm doing it with the greatest of efforts. So I think that's unique. Do you have any advice for someone looking to get into coaching? Yeah. I'm kind of asking the sign of say, from I was a I've thought about coaching. Sure. Because I love coaches. Yeah. I love the game. Yeah. Great. Love the X's and O's of it. What is the advice that you would give anybody out there looking to get into coaching? Yeah. So I think one of the things that helped me was starting low, not that you have to start at San Francisco State, where I worked for another great guy in Vic Rowan. He was a Hall of Famer too. So yeah. But it's Tom Melvin, baby. Tom Melvin, that's right. All right. First, yeah. Evolution, my coaching career. Started with Tom and ended with guys out here, man. Yeah. So, you know, you start at a lower level at the pro ranks, yeah, or college ranks. And you work your work your way up. So you get to see the whole picture. Right. And then you appreciate it as you go and you develop your ability to teach. Because really, that's what you that's what you do. Right. As opposed to being put in a real high position right off the bat and expectations go way up and you have one bad game in this league that's like dog ears. I mean, you know, it's lose one game and it's like you've blown the season. So, you know, you don't want to be putting that chair right away. Yeah. You need to be weathered. Yeah. You need to be weathered. The, uh, the, uh, calloused. Yeah. I got to ask you this all coming off of that. Is that one of the things you enjoy of where you're obviously your coach players? But you've had so many coaches go on to get head coaching jobs off of the coordinator jobs. I mean, your coaching tree has got to be, I'm sure only you and Bill, I think that are up there with the amount of assistance you've had to go on. Yeah. Is that a part of what you view your job is, is to develop all these guys and guide them? Yeah. So you're not going to be a good head coach without good players and good coaches. Yeah. And if you have good players and you can teach as a coach, then normally you're going to win games. Yeah. So I've been lucky to have good, you know, good coaches. Yeah. And a lot of them, but ex players on it and WP. That's right. You've got a chance to move on and I'm their biggest fan unless we're playing them, right? Right. And then, you know, we got to roll. Yeah. Well, you're looking for higher. You want good people. You want good players that are good people. That's what you want. Yeah. And it's, it's a people business no matter how you look at it. Yeah. The chiefs have been a staple in championship games the last five years. It's a five or six years now. Um, six. I don't even know. Whatever. You haven't won all of them. Do you cherish the wins more or bemoan the losses more? Yeah. So, yeah, I think losses, uh, they stick with you longer than the wins. The wins you go. Okay. This is a beautiful thing. Uh, let's move on. We got to get on to the next one. I think the trick to it is if you can learn from each. Yeah. And you kind of keep that balance of that. Yeah. Or on the losses, you don't get yourself too low. Let's learn from it. May ourselves better. We lost in a championship game and I listened. I listened to these guys talk. Yeah. And all of them said, I could do better. Yeah. I mean, now you got a chance. Right. Coming back that next year, you got a chance. Yeah. If everybody's taken part of it, um, including the head coach. Yeah. If you're all taking part of the responsibility there, then yeah, you have a chance to, to go. So, those are good lessons to learn when you lose. When you win, you can't get too high. Because if you're off a tick in the National Football League, you get your tail kick. Right. And there's just too much parity. Yeah. We great player that best again, best in the world. Yeah. World's a pretty big place. It is a big place. So, you know, you got to, you got to stay right at the top. You know, losing definitely, uh, hits a little home for me right now. But I like to tell everybody after the game, I was, I was, do you have a handkerchief? Yeah. I was very happy. I was, I was very upset, obviously we lost, but I was happy for you guys. Because it's been taking my time on my life coach. You're right. I think, um, and then all you do is you think about the place that could have happened different, the different college you could have made or if this just happens, if I just do that, and I think you're right. I think when, but it has to be focused on yourself. You got to, what, what could I have done better? And I think that that's that's right. Largely where we're at right now, which jointly it'll happen. You guys have a real good team. So I mean, it's, you've got good leadership. Um, whether it's how we are, or neck. I mean, these are three guys you drafted. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate that. Yeah. I'm, I'm very, uh, very similar until you persevere and then win. And then I didn't even remember losing the Super Bowl that we were that happened. Yeah. You don't remember that. No, I just, I block it out. Yeah. Either that or I just, I choose not. Well, you told me something in the offseason that I still tell everybody was when you lose one, it makes you want to win one that much part. And I thought you were full of crap until this past year just happened. And I can honestly understand where you're coming from now. Yeah. Let's get back to your Philly area a little bit. You coached in Philly from 99 to 2000 and 12 14 years. Yeah. Yeah. It was your first head coaching job. What were your thoughts going into that? Did you was it was Philly the only option? Were you interviewing with multiple other teams? Yeah. There was a rumor that he had a five inch notebook that was like your keys to running an organization. Yeah. So there were three teams that were interested. Okay. And Philly happened to be the first interview. All right. And listen, it was probably the one that was, if I, you know, honestly said it, it was probably the one that I'd have a chance at more than the other two. But sure, I was the last of the interviews with Philly and four or five guys that interviewed there beforehand. And they were good coaches. And so I was not a coordinator. And I'm going, I need every piece of artillery. I can get to go in there and try to get this thing. And yeah, I had studied Mike Holngren for all those years, seven years in Green Bay and try to write notes down and keep it organized. So if something were to happen, I was lucky enough to get an interview. I could go in and I'd have the answers to the task. Yeah, sure. I'm a, from a great coach who should be in the whole thing. So that's where the binder came from. Yeah. And it was a long interview and it worked out. Okay. But I knew what I was getting into. It was tough place. Yeah. You just talked about media, understand how to control that. Is that the toughest media market you think in the NFL? Yeah, it's one of them. I mean, I had a chance to talk to Bill Parsell's. We played the Jets my first year and the preseason. He goes like you're in the toughest place ever. He's in New York at the time. I'm going, all right. All right. This is the toughest place. So I knew it wasn't that part wasn't going to be easy. But I was honest with him. And I mean, we always talk about you don't have to say everything. We're tell the whole story, but you better whatever you say comes out, whatever comes out, you might better be the truth. Yeah, but to be able to stand that's right. Yeah. And so, you know, that that was part of it. We know that the the Philly market is tough in terms of the media. But I'll tell you what, man, being a being a fan of Jason and being a fan of the Eagles, the Eagles organization treating me like family in there, what was your biggest takeaway in Philly? Coach, for the Eagles out there? Yeah. So I mean, Jeff Lury, I'm close with to this day. He treated me great. The people there, you you at you gain a badge of honor, if you can make it through there, still standing. So they've been great through some tough times. I mean, there were tough times along the way. And whether it was on the field or off the field, and they're right there with me. But they're gonna let you know. I mean, they're gonna let you know one thing I could say about is they're gonna let you know they're like a coach and a player. Yeah. If you just stink, they're gonna tell you you stink. And if you're good, they're gonna tell you you're good. And there's no in between. There's nothing in between. That's right. So it's a tough place, but it's a good place. Yeah. Would you have done anything differently in your time in Philly? No, no, I mean, there are things you learn along the way. Yes. But I think we were able to go to five championship games and a Super Bowl. And I think the organization hadn't been doing great. And we were able to kind of get them moved up the chain there and the NFL. And it worked out OK. So I think there was at least a foundation there that everybody could build on and yeah, and go win the Super Bowl like you guys did. Yeah, with a former player and coach. Are yours? Yeah. Yeah. That was awesome. You talked about like the badge of honor. Do you think that that Philadelphia media fan base? I feel like there's like a sense of urgency in that city that you got to come to work every day. Have you carried that over? Did you have that in Green Bay? Do you think that affects the organization? Yeah. Green Bay for a different reason because of the history there? Sure. Yeah. I mean, you feel that legacy that takes place there. And then in Philly, you know, they'll give you two strikes. You're done. And so you've got to bring, yeah, you do you bring your A game every day. I mean, if you're off a tick, there's a you're going to hear about it. And so you make sure that you prepare and you're organized and all those things that you need to be. Yeah. No, let's move on to some cheese talk. All right. There we go. I get out of Philly, man. I'm saying, and let's talk some Cubies. Yeah. When did you know that I wasn't a QB? Well, there are a couple different times. If you want to take it, take it back to New York, there was a, oh, hey, you know, just listen, if and not run the ball. There you go. 80 or he wants to know he is to send the coach you put you told him, which is do not Travis do not throw this ball. You're not making a read. It's either there or you're running it. You wanted to see if he could beat my pump pass it. It was a good throw. It was a dart. Yeah, it's over on the other side. Then we come back and we've got this play. We call it Black Pearl. And it was a beautiful thing. Yeah. And we get Tyreak to toss it to Kelce and and Patrick goes in the end zone and although he almost stepped out of bounds and he should have been deeper. One corner plays both of them. And you're, I'm not going to talk to him. I'm not going to look at it, but your brother choked. Yeah. And then hold it. Not only that. So this is like in the first second quarter. Yeah. Ruined him the rest of the game. I don't even want to be there. Yeah. And he want to be there. I think Tyreak had three yards. This guy's got like the best arm ever. And this was like a five yard. And not even a five yard. He could have run it in. It was all bad, man. It was all bad. But he came back. He came back. Third time's a charm, baby. That's right. Came back. Third time's a charm in the playoffs. We need to move. Seriously, when did you know that Patrick Mahomes was the real deal? Was it watching him attack or kind of getting him in the building? Yeah. I get credit to Brett Veach on that one. Because Brett was a scout at the time. And from the first time that kid played, Dorsey and I had tapes on our desk. And so you got to watch this guy. You have to watch him. And for two years or how many every years it was, we watched this kid. And Veach goes, this is the best guy I've ever seen. He's just, he's that good. And Veach said to Southwest or southeast area. And that's with a hot bed. And you know, so Dorsey and I go, yeah, this guy's pretty good now. About two years later. And then, and then I think once he stepped into the league and he did that game at Denver, where we've wrapped up our playoff spot. Oh yeah. And he got to jump in and go and a game. I mean, he did what he did in practice, what he did at tech. And I go, that's that's pretty good. Alex Smith at the time, it was also good. That's the best year. Yeah. We sit on the show that Matt and Aggie secretly gave Pat the answers to the draft interview. Did you know that he had the answers? And did that interview impress you if you did not? So listen, Veach, no, no. So Veach and Nagie were teammates. They were in coots. Yeah. That did give a lot. So I had a couple little curveballs just to throw them at just a couple of curveballs. And he handled them. Nice. I knew. I had my homes get hit the curveball, baby. That's right. That's right. Just a couple of curveballs. That's good stuff. What goes on in that like evaluating QB from a coach in like the GM perspective? I think you got to get to know the guy and see what he's all about. You go to combine and the answers are kind of packaged there with answers. And I think that's easy. You don't get a ton out of them. But you get a guy, you lock him in a room for eight hours. And then you go over a whole install, make him spit it back at you, and then throw questions at him on how you'd handle this round. By the time you get done with that eight hours, you got a pretty good feel on what the guy's about. And we did six, I believe it was six of them that year. And it was their day in the building here. And so at the time they left, we kind of, I think we were pretty accurate with it actually as we went through and have looked now with the history part of it. We were pretty accurate on our evaluation. It takes a lot of time though. Yeah. When you're evaluating, is there anything that you, what makes Pat Mahomes in your mind so much different than every other quarterback out there? Like what is unique about him? Well, if he's in a bind, he just throws a tent. It's not a bad safety. I tell you, he's just, he's got a good way about him. He was raising a locker room. So he's got that feel. Yeah. He's natural leader, but he's humble. Yeah. He's easy to coach. I mean, he's going to listen. You can coach him hard. And then at the same time, he wants everything you can throw at him. Yeah. And you know, both of you guys are great players. And if there's one thing I've noticed in coaching over the years is the great players want to give them one more thing so they can even be greater than what they are. So they're always asking, hey, what do you got? What do you got? What do you got? You know, and I saw that with Brett. I saw it with Reggie White. I mean, I saw the different guy, Sterling Sharp, all these guys that phenomenal players and Brian Dawkins and the list goes on. So, right. But they just want to give me one more thing to make you make me better than what I am. And so it's a great driver for a coach to do. But anyways, that's got that. He wants you to load him up and challenge him. And he's going to work. And he's dedicated. I mean, you know, I mean, during the week, he's not going out. He's going to try to stand and study and do his thing. All the time. Yeah. That's how he rolls. Well, he has a bunch of ridiculous records. One of the most ridiculous is his come from behind record when it's in the heat of the battle and word kind of in that, you know, that trailing position. What does it feel like when you just you see my homes out there just take control of the game? Like what is that feeling for you as a head coach? It's a little bit like in the Super Bowl. I'm telling you that's not to rub it in or anything, but it's all right. It's going to be all we will be. We'll get you. I think just saying I'll pass it to you. I'll lend you my shirt. Everybody in the locker room knew that we had the ability if we just straighten a couple things out to come back. That to me is reassuring as a coach, but you got to have the players to believe in that. So it's one thing for the coaches to believe in it and say it. It's another thing when you're saying it to guys that truly have that feeling in their heart. So 10 points, we know isn't a big thing and 20 points, 21 points is not a big thing. We've done that. And so that's a good feeling from when you're sitting in the head coach's seat. Right on. Yeah. Well, you were dialing and things up. All right, let's keep talking some Super Bowl 57, man. So we just want our second Super Bowl. We're going to second. Did the second feel better? How did it compare to the first one? Yeah, I think it did feel better actually. And it wasn't because it was the reason it was the first one was a whirlwind. It just everything was moving fast. And then the second one was weird because of COVID and we lost. And then the third one was just you were able to kind of step back and take everything in. Yeah. And you still know that there's a challenge ahead of you coming up for the season, but you're able to enjoy it for that moment there. And it was just I'll remember that part where the first one was a little bit foggy. Just go just rapid fire. I hear you. Everyone's pretty excited. Huh? Did you feel more pressure the the first time or the second time? First, the first winner, the second one. I'm not. Listen, I didn't get caught up in that. Yeah. I'm not. I didn't feel a pressure that way. You feel the pressure to do well. Like if that's a pressure, it's that angst that drives you, you know, that you want to you want your guys to show well they busted their butt to get to this point. And let's just do that. Yeah. And then let the chips fall where they may if it if it's not good enough and the other teams better, but let's not go out and lay an egg. Let's not do that. How was it seeing guys that you drafted and former players that you've you've coached over the years? How does that feel seeing them across the field and that was? Yeah, that was weird. That was different. That was a little different. Right. Graham. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you look across and the people I know people across the field there. You know, there was actually one time I probably shouldn't even say it, but I'm gonna say it because it's you two and nobody else is gonna hear it. So there was one point where I was back talking with Pat. My back was to the field and I heard the cheer and I turned around and you're tight and caught the ball. Yeah. And for a minute, I went, Hey, nice. Hey, you know, it was weird. The hard guy and Goddard, but yeah, it was just the one time and the rest of the time I was whole red. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. There was after I think it was the first or second touchdown they scored and that dang on fly Eagles flies coming on. Yeah, I got caught going like this just a little bit to the fly Eagles. Finally, no, snap out of it. Yeah, snap out of it. Yeah, no, it was back. It was like Dually man, it was back and forth. So all game right game, they got deemed the Kelsey bowl. Yeah, should it should have been in our mind, it should have been the Andy Reebel. You had your favorite overs both organizations in such a way. I don't know. I just think it's, has that ever happened in the NFL where a coach has played his former team that he was with for over a decade, players that he drafted, coaches that he coached with, yeah, the front office. I don't know. Yeah, that was weird. I don't know if it has it was a great experience. Yeah, I thought it was unique. But when I saw your mom's shoes, I go, this is the Mrs. Kelsey. Those are Hall of Fame shoes right there. That's right. That's right. Those are Hall of Fame shoes. They just threw they just threw those things up and can baby. I know. I saw it. I like it. It's not up to mom and kills. Coming into the league, this the offense has changed so freaking much. I mean, traditionally, I'm the U tight end, but Fissana was the wide tight end is very power run oriented offense, especially with Jamal Charles. And I just feel like this tight end position has kind of changed throughout it all. I just wanted to kind of see it from your point of view. Have you just created an offense with four wide receivers or is the tight end position still available in this offense? Yeah, so we call it a tight end. Yeah, it still has the why in the play. That's right. It's unique because of how you put your flair on it and your ability to work in space and and do all of that. And so it's changed. It has changed the game. It's given a lot of tight ends that maybe aren't that in line crusher, an opportunity. And then with the rules that the league has put in for offenses to flourish, it's given the tight ends that opportunity of flourish and different lot different. Yeah, I guess how's the league changed? I got to ask this now. I mean, you've been coaching for a long time. How has the league changed? Yeah, so I give you an example when I was in Philly, Green Bay, went to what three Super Bowls, right? Two in Green Bay, one in Philly. And there wasn't a snap that any of the quarterbacks on the team that I had an opportunity coach that was in the shotgun. Holy cow. And today, very few times is a... Are you under center? Yeah, it was probably less than 50% or yeah. Shorty hard edge goal lines. Yeah. So, I mean, it's evolved that way. Technology has evolved the game. The media and that parody that you get by the league rules, but also by players knowing each other and what everybody's doing on every team because of the iPhones and that stuff. It keeps you copies and everybody's miked up at all times. That's right. That's right. Players go from one organization. We can tell you how many times your heart beats in a bracket. I mean, that wasn't the case back when. Right. Yeah. So, who wins the teams from today's NFL or a team from one of those Green Bay teams? I still think they would compete for sure. Yeah. And the talent and the size and that are similar. You know, San Francisco is doing it. They're a little bit tighter, a little bit more under center. Yeah. You know, there are a few other teams that are doing that type of thing. Shanting an offense. Yeah. So, I think it would work. I would think, though, that you'd have to bounce back when we lost the Super Bowl to the Patriots and Philly. We had to get into the gun after that with all the double A stuff that was going on. Is that what they did? Yeah. So, yeah. So, we that next year, we started popping back into the gun and you'd have to incorporate that in there. But other than that, I think the talent is very similar. We did a lot of two-back stuff back then. You know, there's not a lot of that in the league. San Francisco would be one of the teams. You know, the fullback has kind of been eased down the game a little bit. Now, teams try and do some of that full-back stuff with the second tight edge of the off position and kind of get to some of those runs, but it's not the same. Yeah. It's a little bit different. Mount Rushmore of fast food burgers. What do you got? Yeah. So, my grandson's been hammering me on this every little league game we go out for cheeseburger. So, I go town topic, which is right down the road. I go, five guys in the water burger to support Pat. I mean, we got to do that. I still got to go. It doesn't make enough money. You know, right? So, I'm sure I'm missing one, but those are the ones that we hit and I need to stop hitting them. They're starting to hit back, right? Town topic is good anytime of the day too. It's a late night late night diners. The diners are Jason's gig too. So, we went out to stuff. Oh, no, it's the best. Six eights. All right now. What's your favorite play call of all time? Well, it was Snow Globe. Yeah, I like that one. Yeah. Yeah. But it's more of a ring around the rosy. How did you get? Ring around the globe. Well, it was, I mean, you know, Christmas. It was Christmas. It was the season. Yeah, it ran the season, you know, brutal first. So, that was kind of fun. Yeah. What's the narrative about Andy Reid that you feel is unfair or maybe not correct? I'm really a skinny guy. It's just a camera's put a lot of weight on me. I do. No, listen, I don't know. I probably that I don't have a sense of humor. I, you know, well, we're clearly dispelling that right now. Okay. Who was funnier? You and the State Farm commercial are Travis in SNL. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you what, man. He's a rock star. Isn't he good? I don't even know about the game. I'm gonna be able to coach him. It's gonna be, you know, like they do in college football. I'm a yellow him. He's gonna leave. He's gonna go become a lenny star. I just gonna give you that, but I gotta say, both of you, when he gets you that brow, baby, you're done messing around. How tired are you of seeing that point passing kick competition video come up on the screen every year? Yeah, very tired. You gotta let him know right here though. It was an age range. Oh, yeah. So the kid wasn't, the kid next to wasn't the eight year old. I was 13. There was a line, two lines. So I went eight, you know, 19, like 13, and then you rotate, right? So that kid was not in the same age as me. Yeah, let's see if that's straight. And you did win it, right? I didn't win that one. What? Yeah, I won the one before. Fourth and goal ball on the one. What's your call? Game on the line. This is how it is. He's, you'll never know. Coach, I can't thank you for coming on the show with us enough. It's been an honor having the man that drafted both my brother and I on here. Who's had such an important role in both of our careers and impact. Thank you so much for coming on. Yeah. Always just keep being new. That's right. Always gotta be your flag. The best leader, the best teacher, and Dog got in the best play call that I've ever fricking been around. I love working with you. And the best kind of where I'm sure. I mean, come on now. Those of you that think he's just the best offensive, mind, best head coach, he's got the only, only tight end coach in the entire history of the league to have two all pro tight ends in one season. He's the best tight end coach ever to play the game to, baby. And a little fun fact. Appreciate that. All righty. That wraps up this episode of New Heights. Thank you so much for tuning in to the Andy Reid episode. Woo! Coach Red. Make sure you're subscribed on YouTube to the New Heights channel. And so you can check out all the new episodes of Drop In and listen to the Subscribe River from each of our podcasts. All right. Now, once again, New Heights is presented by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by our friends at Fireball. Follow us on all social media platforms at New Heights Show with one S for fun clips throughout the week. Thanks to our production and crew for always making us look good. And thank you to the 92%ers. Hopefully you guys enjoyed this one as much as we did. Coach, I love you, big guy. What are you guys, man? You already know. Until the next time, everybody. Peace. ♪♪

Andy Reid on Drafting the Kelce Brothers, Coaching Mahomes, Super Bowl Memories & More | EP 38