Mom and Dad on the Kelce Bowl, raising NFL sons and Kelce Family Secrets | New Heights | Ep 26

Hello? Hello? Listen to the speech, Ben. I'm not sure if you're going to ask Ben. I'm not sure if he's going to ask Ben. No, I'm not. I'm not sure if he's going to ask Ben. I'm not sure if he's going to ask Ben. In New York, her destiny runs dry. Scream sex. I'm not mad. Newark, M.K. No, Smith, ID. You're not going to lose with one of us? You're only going with the winner? I have already won, dude. You've won what? I'm on the most popular podcast in sports. That's right. Never worth worth five days. Yeah! I have already f***ed won, okay? Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome back to New Heights. The Juxtapreds on show presented by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by our friends at Fireball. Hey! That's Cinnamon Delight. How about that? We are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey. This is my big bro, Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio, that Northeast Ohio baby, also Cincinnati Bearcat alum. Follow the show on all social media platforms at New Heights Show. Don't forget to hit the subscribe button on YouTube and wherever you find your podcasts. This is an absolutely incredibly special show for the fans. Jason, why don't you tell them why? Yeah, I mean, we've talked about having both of these individuals on all season. We've had tons of requests from our fan base to have both of these two on. And in light of the current situation in which Travis and I will be playing against each other in this upcoming Super Bowl, it appears that the entire country might want to hear from these two. That leads us to our first guess, which is, first of all, the maker of the best dinner rolls of all time. And everyone knows her as the first mom with two sons playing each other in the Super Bowl. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you our mother, the lovely Donna Kelsey. Hey. Hey, mother! Hey, mother! Mama! Thank you for joining us, mom. How you doing? Good, good. Awesome. Yep, awesome. All right. Well, we're going to start with a segment that we do every show. I'm sure you've heard it now. Do you listen to our show? Absolutely. Oh, man, that's not good, Trev. We got to clean it up. Yeah, we got to clean it up. Sorry, mom. We got, we got bad vocabulary. We got to clean it up. We got to represent it way better. Hey, you learned it from me. Well, we're going to start. You're a saint, mom. Don't you tell anybody that. We're going to start with the first segment that we start with all the time, which is new news. New news. Yes. She did it. She's a natural. She's a natural. She's right on. Right on cue. Right on cue. All right, new news. We are still the number one sports podcast in the world. We're actually the number one podcast on Apple. We're starting to do some amazing things. Thanks to you guys, all of our supporters. Thank you guys. And listeners, this show is taken off. It might be boosted a little bit by the Super Bowl, but let me tell you, it's been great all year long and we can't thank the support enough. The first thing we're going to get to with new news is the Reddit page. We asked you guys on the last episode to get the show's Reddit page going because it is buns. Unfortunately, did too good of a job. I don't know. We now have new heights podcast and our new heights. So we'll leave it up to you guys, but let's pick a name and merge these two, please. Do we have a preference? Do you like subreddit? Mom, do you know what Reddit is? Yeah. All right. Do you like subreddit new heights podcast or subreddit new heights more? I like the second one, new heights more. Just new heights? I like new heights more too. What do you think? It's not just a podcast. Like we also have the YouTube deal. We have to show. Yeah, it's become a thing outside of just podcast. So I like new heights. All right. That settles that. I mean, unless the fans disagree. I mean, you guys, it's ultimately it's up to the fans. And speaking of the fans, we're going to talk about the fan base names. I mean, are we ever going to figure this thing out? We've been well, we've been juggling for about a year. We're going to get mom's opinion here. And then we're going to throw into a vote. I think mom has got great intuition, obviously. Mom, we've been trying to figure out what the fans what to call the fans of new heights. All year long. Yeah. We have an insane amount of emails. And I think these seem to be the finalists. We have a 92%ers, b the hooligans, c the newbies, the newbies, or four. And this is thanks to Travis, uh, uh, desecrating a public official. We have. I don't know if that's the right word, but, uh, the jabronis. Oh. What do you think? A, B, C, or D? Which one's your favorite? I, I kind of like D. You like the jabronis? Yeah. You're a jabroni fan? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're, you're in support of Travis shaming a public official? No, we're all kind of silly. You have to go and look what the urban dictionary says about jabroni and what it is. What is it? Jabroni. Because I don't know what it says. What is it? Jabroni lays in gentlemen classes in session. I actually know. Does it matter what jabroni is? What's a jabroni? Yes. It's basically a fool. So. It's a fool? That fits. That fits really well actually. If that's the actual definition of jabroni, uh, we are definitely jabronis. That fits too well. Uh, all right. Well, there's mom's pick. Travel to your pick. Um, man, there's just something about the 92%ers and just, you know, just making this thing up as we go and kind of being right on point. You know what I mean? Yeah. There's. I, I, and I feel like that's just kind of like. How all this really began, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I think the 92%ers kind of fits with the show. It's just kind of fly by the seat of your pants, having fun, making stuff up. That's, that's right enough. It's close enough. All right. Yeah. Um, but in lieu of mom's definition of the jabronis. That's pretty good. If jabronis does actually mean essentially just fools, um, I think that's a pretty good one for the show. It's a good one. So, uh, I think both of those are probably my two front runners, but as always, it doesn't really matter what we think because we're going to take this to a fan vote. That's to the people, man. Yeah. We are, we're, we're part of the democracy brother. We're Americans. We're all Americans. Well, not everybody listening. There's actually quite a few international listeners now. I've been thinking. Thank you guys for tuning in. Well, we're going to take this to the democratic process and take it to a vote. And, uh, we're going to get to the bottom. Finally, as to what we will refer to the fans of new heights to the polls, to the polls. All right. Very good. All right. Mom, it's time. Yes. All right. Interview is here. Okay. I've been waiting to get you for years. Okay. All right now. Mom, time to get to what everybody's been waiting for. Yes. And, uh, this isn't a real interview. This is just a mom talking to her two sons about playing in the biggest game. Ever. We don't really know how to conduct interviews. I'm, we, you do go, you do have a broadcasting degree. So you could probably do a better job conducting the interview. Um, so we'll, let's, let's start it right there. Mom, you do have a broadcasting degree. Do you have any coaching points for how Travis and I are on the show? Not really. You guys are doing a fantastic job. New it. All right. New it. New it. You're nailing it. She taught us everything we needed to know already. But yeah, this is just us, uh, talking and having a conversation. We're going to, we're going to get into some fun stuff. But first, the first segment that we wanted to get into, Super Bowl questions that we have to ask. Um, how's the last week been for you? You've been on the Today Show. You've bounced around. You, uh, the ups and downs of Sunday. Really just the ups and downs of my game because Jason had to walk in the park. Um, how's the last week been for you? Oh man. It's been so exciting. I mean, you know, not to mention just having two games, you know, on the same day that means so much that even to both of you, it was just absolutely crazy. So, um, just nuts and trying to get from the link to a bar to see you and make sure that we saw Jason's ceremony. You know, that was the hard part too. So, um, but thanks to Philadelphia police, it worked out really well. So, Philly police, God love them. God bless them. Did you, uh, did you go down on the field for the Jason's game? No, no, I didn't have credentials. Riley and the girls sit down. Did it. There's only so many people that are allowed on the field. That's what they say until Mama Kelsey's there. No, there's no way they're denying you the field, mom. Travis, you, you complain enough until they give you more credentials and I just, I don't have the energy. Yeah. I don't have to complain. I just have to go to the, just go to the people of the credential, like, controllers and just be like, hey, my mom's trying to get down. Can I get a credential for my mother? Oh, of course. Well, here's the thing. I couldn't. But you do that. You do that beforehand. You don't do it in the middle of the thing when you're up on the stage. You're right. You're right. Honestly, nobody, nobody that was, uh, at my game came down on the field because I didn't give out any credentials. So you guys got me red handed. I had really, I don't do this. Well, here's the problem. We only had a small amount of time. The NFL in their infinite wisdom decided to put both games back to back. So we literally, there was no time. We were lucky enough that we could see a ceremony and, uh, or the back of a ceremony. He was facing the other way, but, um, it just, uh, it was just one of those things. It's just, uh, we wouldn't have been able to stay anyway. That's all good. It was adorable seeing Jason on the field with the girls anyways. Absolutely. That was the cutest thing. It was just so cute. Were you rooting for this specific scenario to happen where both Travis and I won? Absolutely. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. I wanted both of you guys to, uh, to get into the Super Bowl and I just- You wanted to see one of us lose a Super Bowl. I get it. What, you know, basically what it is is I really wanted just pure joy. The first two Super Bowls, the ones that you were in, it was like tense. We wanted you to win so badly. It meant so much to get that one under your belt. This one is just going to be pure joy, pure fun. And you know, we don't, it's just going to be, you're both in there. How can it get any better than this? It's going to be the best, the best day ever. Except for when you were born. Both of you guys were born. That's, that's the cake and any better. Thanks, mom. Yep. The best day ever for you. You're one of the worst days for Travis or I haven't known which one yet. Yeah, we don't know. Well, I got, I got, I got something I would probably make the day a lot, go better a lot more than just, you know, being in the game, you know. Maybe if you touch downs, maybe a win, that'd be pretty sweet. What do you think, Jason? If you won, it would not be sweet. It would be terrible. No. Yeah. No, I hope you don't win, of course. Mom, you said that you're rooting for, you said you're rooting for offenses? Yeah, I am going to be screaming the entire game. Whoever has the ball, I want it to be the highest scoring Super Bowl ever in the history of Super Bowls. Ooh, making records. But who are you, who are you actually rooting for? I'm rooting for the offense. I can't, I can't pick. Well, you can't say that either. That's, that's a half in answer. You're half, half committed. I can't do it. You're a group 13. Sorry. I'm going to have both jerseys, half jerseys on. I'm rooting for both teams. That's all I'm doing. Tell Fletcher Cox. Fletcher's going to be very upset with your answer. Tell him that I'm 50% with you guys. Yes. 50 50 50. Are you going to be rocking the 50 50 Kelsey jersey? Oh, yeah. That I got you. They have, that I got you, that Jason didn't get you, that I got you. That, uh, He was really upset the first time we all played, you guys played each other because I was coming at him and the 87s on the front. So I had to turn around real quick because I could tell he was pissed. There you go. He didn't know. I don't get upset. What? You know what was really sweet though? Cheryl Bosa, Nick and, um, Joanne's mother, she texted me and she was just so sweet. And she said, the mom of two NFL players, I just want to wish you the best. And, uh, so I'm sure that wasn't true because her son was playing against my son. But it was sweet that she did that. She, she sure she meant it. I know she did. I know she did. How did she get your number? There's like, there's a, there's a, there's an under ground committee of moms that have a mother union. There's an NFL mother union. No, you know what? She saw me tweet my jersey. And so she, um, for the 49ers. So the deer DMs? Um, I don't, I don't know. But I, all I know is she said, this is Cheryl Bosa and, you know, we just chatted. Nice. It was really nice. I really appreciate it. We're big, we're big fans of the book. How do you know what Cheryl Bosa? How do you know what Cheryl Bosa? Jason, stop interrogating mom. I'm just saying. This is online. It was, it was, she verified? Sorry. It was her picture. So somebody could have photoshopped that, but who knows? But no, I think it was really her because she came back to me the other day and just said, good luck. And, uh, so it was sweet. This guy's out of control. Time out. We got to get back to the rooting. Okay. Yeah. We got to get back to this. You've said in the past, to both of us, that you root for me because I've given you grandkids. I've always known that you root for Travis. Who do you actually root for? Okay. Adam, question. Let's put it this way. Let's put it this way. Let's put it this way. In this one, you have the luxury of rooting for offenses in a battle to the death. Me versus Travis. Who are you rooting for? Okay. If you have a battle, if you are, if you are on a boat and you're in the middle of the ocean, who would you save me or your father? Who would I? I would say just fucking threw it right. That's easy. I would save you in a heartbeat. Yeah. There's no question on that. Who would you save, Trev? I was, man, you know what? Dang, nammit. I mean, mom, but I'm feeling bad for dad. Go ahead. Of course I feel bad for him. I don't want dad to die, but I have to make a choice. In these types of scenarios, you have to make a decision. Mommy, if you don't act quick enough, you're going to lose both of them. You don't have to choice. All right, mom, answer the question. Who you're saving? Life or death? Life or death? I can't. Remember that if you choose me, just know that both Wyatt and Elliot will grow up without a father. I got to start breeding. I got to start breeding all the breeders out there. Wait, wait till you find the right person. Find the right person. I'm going to have them. I'm going to find a breeder and I'm going to get kids so that mom can love me again. I love you. It doesn't say that, okay, never mind. Mommy, who are you talking to after the game first? Are you going to stay for the parade? Are you going to go down on the field no matter who wins and congratulate the winner? Are you going to find the loser in the? I will be on the field for you, Travis. Jason will have his family on the field, so no, I won't be on the field for Jason. Is that why you're rooting for Travis? Didn't say that. Oh, I can show. I can show. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. You know why? Because I go the extra mile to get mom credentials. You say, oh, all right, three. Yeah, no, nobody else. You out, you're cool, you're cool, you got. She was trying to get to your game, Travis. That's the only reason she didn't get credentials. I knew that we were speaking her over at the chase TV. For sure. What else we got? Did you know? Mom, that there is a petition going out. I'm trying to get you to be the honorary coin flip. Yeah, I saw the first one. For the start of the Super Bowl. Yeah. To do that means you would come, mom, have you ever coin flipped? No. That's my big, that's my big concern, honestly, is I just don't know. Have you ever, can you, when's the last, you've never done it ever? Yeah, I have, but here's the thing. There are so many legends and people that have, that have their blood, sweat, and tears on that field. And for a mom that's never played football, I don't think that's the right place for her to be. I think you're discounting moms. Yeah, you're a legendary mom right here. Well, here's, here's a, I don't know if I would be a distraction. Would I be a distraction out there for you, for you guys? No. That's what I would worry about. Because you've always told me since you were little, don't you ever come out on the field. I don't care if we have a broken foot or what, it's dad. Don't you come running out there? I do remember that. I do remember that. Yeah. You're like, don't you come out there? Yes. Yes. The only thing I remember from growing up with, very vividly was when my, I was wearing a cup in hockey, and it was rubbing me really bad. So I took it out in the middle of the game and threw it to you in the stands, because he doesn't throw their cup to their mom. Yeah, it's like, ladies and gentlemen, I'm talking about mid play. The puck is in play. And Jason is going down the hockey pants. Cream! And pucks it like a grenade over the wall. Yeah. And my mom's on the receiving end just catching it. Yeah. Oh my gosh. You know, I did catch it, but here's the, you were, you immediately were ejected from the game, not ejected from the game, but you were made to get off the ice. Because you have to have a cup to be on the ice. So they made you get off and go back in. Is that true? Yes, but the problem is, is that you never checked me for cups. How would they know? Don't you remember the knocking? Do you see if you had it? I don't think that's, don't you remember that? I think I got ejected because I probably like hit a kid in the head or something. No, no, you didn't have the proper clip in that. That was the second one. You know, the first one was the cup. That was the first personal file. The second personal file was because you probably cross-checked the kid in the child. Let's get back to the coin flip. What, yes, are you not, are you, you, you get to? If America voted on it, would you flip the coin? Yes or no? I would if the two of you say that it would not be a distraction to you. Deal. It would be a distraction to me. That you'll be focusing on the, you know, game. Yes. You're in. I'll tell Roger. There's so many other things. I'll tell Roger. I'm an expert focus. I'll call him up. You have his phone number? Nope. I don't. I think, I don't. Well, if you watch that bangles game, you might have his number. All right. Growing up Kelsey, let's go. What's the Donna Kelsey story? Where, let's, let's go. We got to move pretty quick because it can't be here too long. But where did you grow up? Oh, yeah. Like, you know, how many do you grow up? I grew up. I grew up. Grandpa. Yeah. Mom, all the whole nine. Yeah. Grew up in the east side. Well, really the inner city, Cleveland. You know, right downtown. Small house grandparents lived upstairs. Don and I were downstairs. We shared a bedroom. It was a small two bedroom apartment. And we grew up there until we were four and then moved out to the burbs. I'd be fourth grade. Sorry. And then we moved out to the burbs. And my mother was very, very ill. The doctor said that maybe, you know, putting her into a different environment might help her a little bit, but she passed. So my brother and I lost our mother when I was about, I think I was 12 and he was 10. So anyway, but you know, things, things happen. Well, you found. You married a wonderful. You got to say you found an angel as we know. We married a wonderful human being named Mary Blalock. And she raised both Don and I and by the grace of God, if we didn't have her, I don't think we would have made it through. So she's just a lovely lady. Wish she was with us, but she's not. And it was just, it was just, it was awesome. And I feel so fortunate that I was raised by her. So it was very cool. After, after high school, you went on to college. Yes. To get an education. Were you the first person to graduate from college? Like did Grandpa go to college? No, he was there for one year at OU. But he married my mother. He lived for one year, but he married my mom. And so they just went back to Cleveland and stuff like that. Do you think that one of the things that motivated you to go to college was Grandma Mary coming into the picture or Grandma Mur? Absolutely. Absolutely. And she talked my dad into it because he was very much chauvinistic. So he thought that I should go to, you know, like secretary school or something like that. It was typical. When you get to that in a second. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, he just basically said she's not smart enough to go to school. And my mom says, well, how is she going to catch a man? Little did he know. Little did he know. So he sent me to go get married. That's what he did. So. So let's get back to the, well, I guess it's a lead into Grandpa being chauvinistic again. But yeah. Yeah. So you were an excellent athlete growing up. Uncle Don, your brother who played football at Purdue. Our uncle was an extremely talented athlete himself. Always says that you would be able to beat him in a race and how there's legends of Donna Kelsey's athleticism. I'm not making this up for multiple people. What did you play sports growing up? We already know the answer, but we're just for everyone listening. Yeah, it was before Title IX. So we really didn't have the infrastructure for women like there is today. But I did. My father didn't want me being on the track team. So I snuck away and went on my own. Snicky. Flanker. This is where you get your flanking from Travis. Yeah. So I, I did. This is also where I get the ability to not listen to my dad. Not listening and flanking. Yeah. But don't say no. I went ahead and I went to Mr. Sites and he did the track team during the summer and I joined the junior Olympics and I won several medals for running by jumping and it was in the fact the surprising thing was the actual Olympics in Cleveland were being held in Cleveland Heights at the high school. So that was at that. Do you want all those girls running at heights? Yeah. And I was on Channel 8, you know, so. Wow. Wow. Yep. W. W.S. I know that. I lead the groundwork on the Heights field for us for the kills. There you go. So Grandpa was not in favor of you playing sports. No. Is or going to college. But despite your own father not supporting you, you went and did it anyways. Yeah. And that that was a lot because of what grandma Murr kind of fueled you with, right? Yeah. Because grandma Murr played field hockey in college, right? She did. Yeah. She did. She was also an athlete and but that would I it's just, you know, he supported me once I actually got to college. He paid for my education. So I can't, you know, he warmed up to it and he actually wasn't there on the come up. But once you proved it, you were on it. Yeah. Yeah. He was okay. He just had preconceived notions. Sometimes you have to prove people wrong. Right guys? Yeah. All right now. So you went to college four years at OU, right? Yes. And you obviously got a communications degree. I did. Yeah. But despite that, you don't go to communications. Yeah. You went into a lustrously long career in banking. Yeah. It was weird. I had to go back to school, get my masters because I didn't have all the math skills and accounting skills and things like that. So I went to UW and got that. But then I was okay to be a banker and it worked out. I worked in commercial real estate. She's 30 years. I started out in MasterCard, went to foreign international and then ended up in low-income housing tax credits, which is, will make people's eyes roll up in their head. But anyway, it's basically every bank needs to support their community. Oh yeah. And so that's what I did. I built housing for the less fortunate. So yeah. So somewhere along, somewhere along going into banking, you met dad. Yeah. How did you and dad meet? I don't even know if I'd do this. I really don't even know this, mom. This is breaking news. How do we not know this? Okay. We were at Fagan's. Yeah. And there's a bar in the flats. You've never been to Fagan's? I don't think so. Don't they sell perch? Yeah. Oh, dad did take me there one time. Fish and chips. Fish and chips, okay. Yeah. Okay. So we just happened to meet there. He came up to me with the illustrious, I guess, pickup line was, did you say Joe? And... Stop it. Stop. And I said, no. And he said, oh, I thought you said Joe. I said, is your name Joe? And he went, no, it's Ed. I'm like... What's yours? But that's okay. Wow. That's okay. We ended up chatting. You know, the halls were there. I think Brows and even Cece was there. So everybody was having fun after work. I was supposed to go out with a guy that night. And we were supposed to go to a play. And I never made it. Your dad and I talked forever. You stood him up. You stood that guy. I did. I did. Did you do that, Mom? Sometimes it sucks to suck, Mom. Yeah. It was meant to be... Sorry. It was meant to be... It's just the way it was. Yeah. I've been there. We all bounced back. He'll be all right. I'm sure he's doing just fine. Yeah. Probably never took another girl to a play though. It was a good play too. I really wanted to see it. I think it was Chicago, I think, or something like that. Chicago! We've talked about this growing up in Cleveland Heights and all the broken windows and the floors that we went through and all the holes in the wall. Yeah. By the way. Yeah. I have one question for you. Who actually jumped over the couch and landed on it so that the feet of the couch went through our hardwood floors? Oh yeah. That wasn't anyone jumping, Mom. That was a power bomb of the century. Oh, into the sofa. Yeah. Into the ground. Into the sofa and then the sofa went through the floor. That's how powerful it was. That was Jason throwing me around like a rag doll. Yeah. We just kind of slid that thing over and made sure you never knew about it. Yeah. I know. But we found it before we sold the house. But we fixed it. But I'm curious why or how did we never break the television? With as many times as you were throwing a lacrosse ball across the living room, how did it never break? Well, that was the one thing that we cared the most about in our tiny little lives at that point. Was the TV, we couldn't break the TV. What would we do all day? Oh yeah. We loved the TV. You were still throwing balls, throwing all kinds of stuff. But we made sure to steer clear that we knew not to touch the entertainment. That was what had the same by the bell and who wants to be a millionaire and all the other stuff that we were watching at the time. Yeah. We couldn't break that thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Fonzie. You were watching Fonzie. Nick at night. Nick at night was a good one. I haven't met the Fonzie at Big Kansas City fan now. Oh, there he is. He's a Patrick Mahomes fan. Let's not call him a Kansas City fan. I've seen him wearing Kansas City Chiefs jerseys. I'm just saying, if Patrick Mahomes played for the Raiders, he'd be a Raiders fan. I have no argument that the picture that I just got of Pat Mahomes playing for the Raiders was fucking disgusting. Jason, don't ever say that ever again. We got a flash forward. You meet dad. Maryam. You don't have to go down all that. Nobody cares about that. Yeah. What was it? How? Yeah. I don't know. When did us two come into the picture? How did that? It was about five years later. We were trying to have kids. It wasn't working for whatever reason. And I went in and one day she just told me, she says, you're going to have a little one. And I went, whoa. So I knew you were a mistake. I knew you were a mistake. She just said that they're trying to have kids. What do you want? Did you not listen? We were trying. You were trying. You know, she was trying for me. You know, who's just guy. Oh, let's be honest. Let's set the record. Let's set the record straight. How disappointed were you when you were having this? It became, was it, was it? Was it, was it? Was it, was it? Was it a boy? No, no, no, I wasn't. You want to help me girl? I will say. I will say. Honest, honest. Honest. Yes. You could be honest. I was hoping for girl. But I got one. He's a fashionista. I see it. I see where this is going. You two. And a dancer. You're on you two. And a dancer. There's a lot of, I see it now. No, no, no, I'm just, I'm just teasing. What was your name going? I was about to say, was it Tracy? No. What about it? And I have a little thing. You remember you guys were saying that I named him after the FAD kid on overboard? That's what I thought your name is. Okay, there was another Travis on a soap opera during the day. A soap opera? And I thought he was the most gorgeous man in the whole world. And I named you after him. So you told dad. So pop up. So pop up. So pop up. So you told dad that you like the name Travis off of a fat little kid from overboard. But secretly you had a man crush going on. Yeah. And that's who you named him after. Yeah. Yeah. That's so terrible. How could you do that? Oh, well. No, I'm joking. Speaking of dad, okay, so. Let's so yeah, you both raised us. Yes. You you were married. How long were you guys married? 23, 24 years, something like that. 25 years. It's a long time. Yeah. You eventually ended up divorcing about what maybe. 12, 11 years ago. You were just getting into that. It was like the end of college. It was like the end of college. Yeah. 12, 13 years ago probably. So what why do you hate him? I don't hate him. We're friends to this day. That was a great way to. To put it. Yeah. No, we're friends. It's just, you know, we get along. We get along great. You know, it's just sometimes people, you know, they move apart. That's all. So you don't regret marrying him? No. No, never because I got you two. I wouldn't be here. Yeah. I wouldn't be on this show if it wasn't for that. So no, we could we both were like a tag team with you two. And did all kinds of fun things when one of you had to go out of town. Another person would help the other child. So it was perfect. It was just you got to do whatever sports you wanted. You got to go on all the tournaments. You got to do everything and it worked out. If there would have been another kid, somebody was going to lose out. So it just happened to work out for the best. Well, well, thank you. Yes. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for making a mistake with Jason so that I could be here. And I didn't make any mistakes. I don't make mistakes. Yeah. Well, because Jason turned out not too shabby. There you go. Before we keep going, we need to shot one of our newest setup partners. Fireball. That was intimidating. Fireball takes any event to the next level, especially watching the big game with friends. Fireball's iconic cinnamon flavor tastes fire and goes down easy, making it the ultimate crowd pleaser. That's why it's the number one shot in America. What I really like about the fireball shooters is that there's no shot glass needed. You just crack it open and knock it back. Jason, are you a big fireball guy? I am because I'm a big fan of just cracking it and knocking it back. Fireball is also sponsoring New Heights's big game party on February 9th in Scottsdale, Arizona. And you can win a trip there. Go to fireballnewhights.com and submit your effort moment of the year to enter a free chance. 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Make sure you click the link in the description to download the app. Download that, Seakeake. Yeah, it's good for you. Get that $20 cut. $20 discount. I got that's what I love discount on this Taylor Swift tickets. Moving on to NFL parents. When did you feel like the NFL might really, like it might be an actual reality for us? Like when did you kind of put it together? Was it in high school college or were you kind of just sitting there on draft day like, I don't know if this is actually going to happen? Well, Jason was the first one. And I know that that was very taxing. We were all hoping so desperately that he was going to get drafted. And you know, the first round, the second round, the third round, it went on for days. And it just was one of those things that we didn't know if it was going to happen. But I knew you guys were talented. I knew you had the perseverance. I knew that you would be able to. It's just you don't know how your children relate nationally. You know that they might be the best kid in your city. They might be the most talented or athletic kid on the college team. But you don't know how that is across the country. And there's a lot of kids that are just as talented as you are sitting on the bench at Alabama, Ohio State. They never get a shot. So it just it worked out that, you know, all everything aligned just perfectly on how you were able to play, get on the field, show your talents, and show what passion you have for sports. Yeah. I mean, well, let's so speaking of kids playing, do you have any advice for other parents listening who are raising their kids and also have dreams of playing in the NFL? What advice would you give those parents to? That's a good one, Jason. That's a good one. What do you got, Mom? Okay. The advice that I would give is tell your children that no matter what anyone says, always believe in yourself. Number two, keep at it. Go up to teachers. Not the parent. The child has to do this. What do I have to do to get more playing time? What do I need to work on? The parent cannot do it. They cannot be the ones that are on the coaches, you know, backs all the time. Oh, yeah. It's got to become from the kid. The kid has to want it. He has to get up enough courage to go ask, this is what I want to do. That's what I want to do. And that's kind of what we try to instill with the two of you, if we were at a practice session, go up. Go practice with those guys. You know, tell the coach, I want to play more. I want to get better. That's basically it. We were definitely more curious than a lot of the kids growing up. I think we both commend you and you and pops because all of our, at least all of my head coaches and coaches on every single sports team that I had, especially all the travel leagues and all the community leagues, they all said they, how much they love you and dad for never complaining to them about playing time or why we're not getting, you know, certain looks or certain opportunities. You guys kind of just let us go out there and have fun. And our curiosity and our drive to have that fun on whatever playing field it was, because we love playing every single sport growing up. That is at the end of the day what drove us to where we are today, for sure. And you feel deck. Yeah, for sure. And it just, you know, you just have to, but whatever it is, whether it's sports or music or art, whatever your child wants to do, they've got to love it. And if they're not doing what they absolutely love to do, it's not good to push them into something that they just like. You got to love this shit, man. You got to fucking love this shit. Did you ever think about steering us in a different direction, like away from football? Like did you ever see like Jason doing something non-sports related, like playing saxophone and being like, dude, that's your ticket? No, you know, I just supported what you came to me and said you wanted to do. I, we tried to make sure that you had that opportunity. There was sometimes we couldn't. I don't know whether it was both of you or just one of you said you wanted to go to Canada and be a hockey player. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm not letting somebody else raise my kids. I'm sorry. That would be, that would be me. It was, I was in a tournament in Niagara Falls in eighth grade and dad got approached by a, I don't know if it was a scout, it was probably a scout from junior leagues up in Canada. Just checking out talent in this tournament that we were playing in. We weren't playing the highest level at that time. We were playing kind of like community league hockey, double A hockey. There was triple A and then there was, I think, one more division that was like kind of like more, more talented than what was in our league. But yeah, they said that the traditional way of trying to get to the NHL is in high school. You go and play junior years in Canada. And dad, I looked at dad, I was like, they think I have a chance. Like I could, I could go to the NHL. Like it was like the coolest day of my life. Like, what do they see? They see something in me. I could go be an NHL guy. And dad looked at me and said, you, you think that you're going to go to school? I'll be kidding. You can't even go to school in America. You think you're going to listen to some other family tell you to go to school? I'm just like, yeah, yeah, there's no way. And you're right. Fine. I'll just go right. Yeah. And you're lucky you would have went to Quebec and you would have had to speak French. Oh, don't you start that one, Mummy. We all know French wasn't my forte. No, it was. What do you think we would be doing if we weren't playing in the NFL? Both of us. You would be, I'm trying to think of something. Well, I do remember the first time you came to me, Jason, when you were squirt in hockey. I know a lot of these stories are hockey, but that's a lot of hours on the ice. And you came to me and it was the first time you got to hit people. And you said, mom, you were so excited. I finally found out what I'm good at. So I've been searching a lot of soul searching. But really, I'll tell you, I think you, it's in your mindset that whatever you put your mind to, and I think you've proved it this year as in previous years, whatever you want to do, you will be good at. Well, you instilled that in this, Mummy. Why don't you, why don't you tell your side of the Charles Barkley story? Because it's a little bit funnier on your side. Growing up in Cleveland Heights. Oh, I'd love to tell everybody what I thought my name should have been at the time. Yeah. Now it's just, I was at the Black Party. We had Black parodies in Cleveland Heights because the houses were so close together, shut down the street, you get a permission from the city hall, and you would put tables out and stuff like that. We would put out the basketball hoop out in the middle of the street, and kids would just have a blast, and we would eat and everything. And so I'm sitting down and talking to my neighbors, and they're like, and I didn't know them very well because I worked during the day. So I didn't meet some of the moms, but it was like, so they said, there's this great kid named Charles. He is the coolest kid. He's so funny, and he's really talented. I'm like, really? Who's that? And they're like, he's over there. What a rapport. You said his name is Charles. I said, that's Travis. He went, no, he's Charles. And this is for weeks. You were telling everybody on the street that your name was Charles. So I knew you wanted to be him. And that was something that, and I said, no, your name is Travis. I know you don't like it, but you will when you get older, it's not a common name. So. CB 34, man. Big Chuck. I still want to be, I still want to be Chuck. There you go. I still want to be you. It's been so cool getting to know him, but that story is, it's definitely one of the awkward ones that I can always kind of just sit here and be like, yeah, I was just out here blatantly lying about my name. What do you think people listening don't know about being a parent in the NFL that's kind of interesting? Like do other, obviously you just talked about Miss Bosa or the Bosa's mother becoming, do you parents like become friends on teams? Do you guys team up like that? Or tell us a little insight on the parents, parent life in the NFL. Yeah. Well, I'm going to start with college because it's a whole different scenario. You got your bear cat moms. You got your bear cat moms. I love my bear cat moms, and I still see them today. We get together once, not since COVID, but we've been getting together for, you know, a couple of times a year or once a year. And I miss them terribly. It's a lot of time on the road going to away games and everything like that. When you get to the NFL, your children are adults and they're dating people and they're married to people and they have their own children. And as much as they like to see you every once in a while, they don't want you there 24-7. So the one thing that I miss the most is just being able to talk to you. It feels like when you left the house, I didn't know that you would be gone forever. Man. Yeah, I don't think any of us did. No, and it's just... I don't think any of us did. And, Mom, you're more than welcome to come over here whenever I'm not dating anyone, nor do I have kids. So you... I got a room for you over here whenever you want to stop by. Sounds like you don't need her. I... We need mom. We need mom. We need mom. You say. You say. I'll just... I'll come out the Philly then. Yeah, but no, I think that's the hardest part. And I think you guys have found out too, especially with the podcast, that you've been able to talk to each other more. You're so wrapped up. And the NFL is so demanding on a daily basis that there are sacrifices that have to be made. People talk to me and they're like, oh, you talk to your kids all the time? I'm like, no, I don't. First off, I said, you know, seriously, you guys get a thousand texts a day. I'm sure there were more than the night that you won. And how do my texts get through all that? They can't, you know? Like, I'm sure you don't even know. They're kind of special. You're kind of one of the people that we respond to. I know, but they get lost. They get lost in the... in all the texts. It's like, I'm sure you don't even know that I said I was so excited that you won that night because... They don't get lost in the text as much as they get lost in the drinks that I'm having. Because on the drinks, the drinks are flowing. I'm not really looking at my phone. That's true. But I... The other thing is, is I'm so privileged. To be able to see the world through your eyes. To be able to go to events. To be able to see how you light up people's lives when they talk to you. They take a picture. How much it means to people and how genuine you are. And it makes me very, very proud. So I'm okay to give you to the fans. It's all right. Well, we love that everybody gets to see it through your eyes these past couple years with all the fandom and all the fans that you've created for yourself going on the Today shows and talking about us. It's been fun seeing you in the limelight as well. How do you and Dad separate or support me and Jason through the... I'm sure everybody always asks me, how do your parents split up seeing the games and stuff like that? Why don't you give them a little insight? Well, I'm a little bit more methodical because I'm a banker. So as soon as the schedule comes out, name for us... So nice we have seen that. Yes. When the schedule comes out in April, I look at all the games, find out when all the home games are, and I split it up eight for each of you. And I just do it that way. This year was tough. You were away a lot at the same weekend. You were home at the same weekend. So I didn't get to go to as many games this year as I usually do. But I think... We made it special for you. Yeah, I think I picked all the right games. So it was good. It was good. Alright, the last question that people have to know as our mother, do you support signing babies? Dolls, yes. I do support that. You don't support signing actual babies? Another for the good guys, man. So in other words, you're in support of us. You're in support of turning down babies. No, you don't have a young of an age. Shutting them off, no. I don't think you should ever even put a Sharpie on an adult. I've got into tattooing. So no. Sharpies are not tattoos. Did Travis and I ever do anything? It's defacing your body. No. Did Travis and I ever do anything grosser or more gross growing up as babies? Well, you did take a hairdryer one time and hit me over the head and I saw stars. I think he was around... Yeah, I think he was like four months old. And we were sitting on the couch and I had my hairdryer just sitting on the end table. And he picked it up and he went, whack. So you got both of us. You got your dad and me with different things. So no signing babies. All right, that's fine. That's just the way I feel. I have a couple other questions I want to get to. So a man, I forget what publication he was with, he got the Grandpa Blalock story out of me. Yeah, that's okay. Why was Grandpa actually charged with treason? No. And what's the story? What can you give us in actual story? What reporter got this out of you? I'm trying to remember which one. I think it might have been the Washington Post or I forget what it was. How did they find this? Well, they were asking me about the quote that Grandpa gave me. And then I gave him a whole background about how this guy actually... He wasn't a great grandpa. But he was a great grandpa in the right moment. Is that fair to say? Am I generalizing with Grandpa? Okay. Grandpa was a narcissist, number one. He named me Donna. That's one check for bad person. He named me Donna and he named his son Don. So he's got both of his kids named after him. So there you go. His name is Donna Blalock. Yes. So anyway, it's one of those things where he was a wonderful human being. He got me to college. He paid for it. He raised me. He didn't believe in you. You just said he didn't believe in you. I know. Eventually he came around. He came around. Okay. After you proved it to you had to prove to your own father that you could do something. Yeah. And I think he told me when I was 40, he says, I never knew that you would bank it in business. But anyway... This is two check marks in the bad guy category. We got narcissists and not believing in his own daughter. But the reason... He's going to create a tally right now. Jason. Bad. Grandpa. Good grandpa. I'm waiting for the good. Yeah. Well, anyway, he was a funny person. But... All right. I'll put... I'll give him. I don't think... Hey, he's a charming dude. He's a charming dude. He's a charming dude. A charming dude. I don't think funny necessarily means good. Yeah. But because he's got so many in the bad category so far, I'll give him a check mark for him. Well, basically what happened was is he was upset because he was a salesman. They weren't selling the product to clients anymore. He decided he could do it better. So technically it was industrial espionage. He was stealing plans that they had already thrown in the trash. But he shouldn't have done that. It was wrong. He got arrested, but he was never charged. And he wasn't selling secrets to the CIA or to Russia. So no... So he's a thief. Yes. Well, that's all right. That's fine. I got to put that in the bad category, Ma. They don't want to... Why is that a bad thing? A thief? You don't steal things. He's stealing things. Stealing to get out. I don't be stealing. This brings up a great story. God, I'm so glad we got on the topic of stealing. My brother... I don't even know if you know this story, Ma. Travis and I were walking around. What was the... What was the grocery store? The gaffes. The gaffes. And you know how they had the candy that was sitting out and you could put it in a bag. Ladies and gentlemen, I am not the only person that did this. Let me finish the story. And you would weigh it at the end and you would go and pay for the candy. Yeah. I am walking through Zagara's and Travis is just taking candy out and eating it right on the spot. I'm like, dude, what are you doing? And he's like, oh, don't act like you've never done this. I'm like, I have never done that. What are you talking about? Well, unfortunately, he's similar to me because I did that when I was a kid too. So I was like, you, you and Grandpa are all in the... Are all in Gauths. There you go. No. All right. Look at it now. All right. So he wasn't charged with treason. No. No. That's good. Are you sure? That's good to know. No. He never went to prison. He wasn't... He never went to prison. He never went to prison. He never went to prison. No. So he was charged, not convicted in a court law. No. The worst thing that happened was he had his pension taken away. That was about it. So... But he did help out the Russians. I don't think so. Which really... I don't think it's political. He did. He did. That's true he sold it from. And not only did he help the Russians, that's where he met Stoya, right? Zoya. Oh my God. Zoya. Zoya. Well, that's another thing. Your father's been married five times. Charming men. Charming men. Charming men. Plus. What's he faithful to all of these women? Of course not. He's an artist. I put it in the bad category. Another one in the bad category. And the other one. He's filling up the bad category. And the other thing was, is that he just... You had a... You had an uncle that was two years older than you, Jason. That's right. James. Yeah. And who's now in China? Two years older. Time out. So we've established grandpa's a thief. Mom's a thief. Travis's a thief. Was James... Was... No, hot. Was James or was he not charged with treason in Korea? He wasn't treason. Well, they tried to... They made him leave the country, didn't they? That's because he was a DJ. And he was cutting in on somebody's territory. What? Oh, James is a DJ? Yeah. In Korea, yeah. He lost a lot of weight. He became a thief. He was over there. K-pop-ing. He's a little k-pop-ing. That's right. Who is our K-pop? Yeah. It's all-time? Yeah. So yeah, he was a DJ over there. So he was taking people away from another bar. And so this guy went and put... It's not illegal. I've heard nothing that would get you... It is if you were in America. No, no. They put marijuana in his room. They came and brought it. So he's a drug dealer? That's what they tried to pin out. He's an international drug dealer. Let's be honest. Yeah. It's marijuana. I'm not... I'm okay with that. Yeah. So I'm sure it was just marijuana. I don't know what it was. So I'm waiting for more good things from Grandpa's side of the category. T-s. Did he love the... He was a good dancer. He was a good dancer. Oh! Very good dancer. I did not know that. Yeah, very good dancer. That's where Jason gets it. Yeah. Knew it. And but no, there were a lot of good traits. He was a good friend to a lot of people. In my high school, there was a girl. Her family could not afford to get her her senior pictures. So my dad paid for her to get her pictures. He thought everybody should have their senior pictures. So he had empathy. He had empathy. He did have it. I'll put that in the good category. Yes, he did have empathy. He's still trailing, but I'll put that in the sympathetic. No. All right. What? All right. Speaking of... You got to say good athlete because we get our athletics from... He was. He wasn't a good athlete. I don't know if that comes down to a good or bad person, but you know what? I'll get to him. All right. Yeah. Oh, I thought we were just naming his plus five. Positive traits. Yeah. What? All right. That's enough of ragging on grandpa. He can't defend himself here. No. It's probably not fair. He's since moved on. Yeah. Yeah. He was a great grandfather for me at a really important part of my life and it sure meant a lot. So... I know he's... Jason, to those who haven't heard the story, why don't you give him that real quick? We haven't told that story here. Mm-mm. No, we have not. Yeah. So how often did grandpa come visit us growing up? Well, he was raising his own child. So... I know. I'm just saying. We barely saw... Yeah, I'll call that. That was two years old. He also lived in Sioux Falls. Yeah. Sioux Falls, South Dakota. So what do we see him? Like maybe once he... We barely ever saw him and... Once or twice a year, he tried to come to at least one game of yours a year. He'd come to a football game. Yep. He would come to Cincinnati. He went to a couple of pro... I think your first year, I think he made it to the Eagles. So... Yeah. Yeah. Well, he... So when I was in high school still, and for some reason he was in town at this very specific moment, and I had just found out that I wasn't... how you received no scholarships to go to like any D1 schools. And I was trying to figure out what I was going to do with my life and whether I was going to go and play football in college, whether I was going to go and play lacrosse, whether I was going to go to college at all to be honest with you, which I think I was going to go to college because mom and dad were certainly pushing that really hard. And Grandpa gave me a little card that had a quote from Calvin Coolidge about persistence on it. And for a long time, I had that card wherever I went, and then one day I got drunk and lost it. Like I'd have most of my emotions. Like Jerris and Cincinnati Hummit? Correct. There is a pattern there, for sure. And the quote said, nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Untal... Oh my gosh, now you put me on the spot. I think it started with education. Yes. Education will not, the world is full of educated derelicts. Genius will not, the world is full of unrewarded genius. Talent will not. Nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. So a very deep quote for a kid who just wants to play football. But... It really hit me for some reason at the right time and combined with my mom and dad supporting me, motivated me to try and play Division I college football. Because I could have gone Division II or III as well or I AA, but mom and dad really... Because I had some partial scholarships, but mom and dad were very adamant that wherever I wanted to go, they would make it work. We'd find a way to make it work financially to just go and try and play wherever you want. And went to a university since an ad-y visit and fell in love with the Bearcats in the university and decided to walk on there. And I don't know if that would have happened without grandpa giving me that quote. So for all of his womanizing and thievery and treason, he was a great grandpa at one moment. And so thank you grandpa wherever you're at. You wouldn't be here without him. Exactly. All right, let's cut away from grandpa. We've talked about grandpa. We're going to get back to dad because there's a question that we want to know. Did you know that dad was trying to communicate with aliens? Yeah, he told me about... What he said though was that he was sharing his computer juice, whatever you want to call it at that time. He called it juice. He called it computer juice. Yeah. I think it's the hard drive. That's what he was sharing with NASA. Like the dad's wearing the word as yeah. With NASA. And they were trying to find extra-trestials. And yeah, he told me about it. At the time, what did you think of when he told you this? You know, I think... I'm not one of those individuals at the time. At the time, at the time, when he told you that, what was the first thing that happened in your head? I said, are we being paid for this? How are you not a cop, Jason? You're not a cop, dude. But the funny thing is now you believe in aliens. I don't mean... She was always on board with aliens. Not just an alien, not just an alien. She was always on board with aliens. Not just that aliens are out there. You believe that aliens have been to the planet Earth. Yeah. To the planet Earth. Yeah, they're here, Jason. Yeah, I can't believe that we're the only ones in the universe that were so... I agree with you on that. I do think that there's aliens out there. I just don't think they've been to the Earth. Last question, mom. This is arguably the most important question that I have to ask. I've been saying last question for about 10 times. But this is the outro right here. This is the real last question. Was more memorable. Our birth, our draft, or our Super Bowl this year. Oh, no, our first Super Bowl, it says. Oh, our first Super Bowl, I'm sorry. Yeah, man, that's rough. Which one do you remember most? Well, well, through the births, I was so excited. No, your birth was... We were also drugged. I wasn't really drugged, but I had a... What do you call it? Epidural or whatever? Epidural. Yeah. So you're not really drugged, but... That's fair. You just can't feel anything. So... It's hard to play football. Yeah. So anyway, it was... You know, I don't know they're all such wonderful things. Each time you win a game or you do something, like when you played the saxophone, on at Severance Hall, anything like that, whenever you do something like that, it just brings me pride and I cry. So you know I'm a cry baby, so that is what it is. So you've always made me proud. You've always made me proud. And you know, there's a few things that we probably aren't proud of, but don't we all have that in our background? So yeah, but you know, I'm telling you, you know, to come through what you both have had to come through and have to overcome, it may not be as much as other NFL players that have gotten to where you're at, but it still was difficult for children, you know, to get through. It wasn't easy. It wasn't easy, that's for sure. No. It's a grind. No doubt. Before we let you go, Mommy, we're going to turn the floor over to you, or you can use this communications degree right now. You got any questions for us heading into the weekend? I think I asked you, oh, for the weekend. Oh man. What's the one thing you're going to be thinking about when you're singing the national anthem? Oh my gosh, you're going to bring me to tears. That's always when I like, I have my like moment of appreciation of gratitude, of just being thankful for all the people that have been in my life, and how, man, I'm thinking, I'm choking up right now. It's just a cool moment to sit there and look at all the fans in the stadium and know that, you know, you're about to go out here doing something so much fun in front of the people that you love, and in front of the people that helped you get to where you are in life. And that's what I always think of when I'm, when I'm listening to the national anthem. It's my one moment to reflect on everything and be appreciative, and know that you're watching. Yeah, that's cool. How about you, Jason? Well, I always sing it. Yeah, I think it's the same thing as Travis just said, for some reason. It's a very emotional moment. And I think it's because you realize that, you know, all of us being here together as a country and as a group and as a family, like all of these and friends, everyone involved in this allows me to play a sport and a game for a living. And you realize how fortunate you are and how, you know, in this together, all of us are. So it's an emotional moment for me as well. And it definitely causes reflection. And when it's a game like the Super Bowl, it's just magnified that much more. So yeah, I think I'm right there with the truth. All right now. Very cool. All right now. Well, we're hopping on with Dad next. Okay. Got any message you want us to relay to him? No, not really. Just see him. See him this weekend, next weekend. Yeah. All right now. See you in the desert. Oh, mommy, I love you so much. So much. Okay. Wait to see you this week in Arizona. Oh, it's going to be peer joy. I mean, I'm going to love that game. I'm not going to want it to stop. That's a problem. Deal. No, we do we need do we need to do we need to run this back next year? Justin. Absolutely. Run. Run right. You both have to be a Super Bowl next weekend too. Next year. Yeah. Next year? Yeah. Set it. I mean, you got to play Jason. I think it's a career. You got to play. It's official. Ladies and gentlemen, Jason is not retiring. Mama Kelso got him to say that he is in on a Super Bowl rematch. Oh, well. All right. Thank you for your time. Mommy. We'll see you down in Arizona. The good thing is, is both of you play each other. You're you're playing each other in Kansas City next year. Next year in in brohead? No. Listen, you fucking jabroni. Yeah. For sure. I love your mom. Thanks for joining us. Kiss my grandbabies for me. I will. Thank you. Dee Dee said a little. All right, buddy. Tell Carly I said hi. Love you. Love you. A lot. Mama. If there's one thing I get asked all the time, it's how do I maintain my health during the season? And the answer is simple. I take AG1, athletic greens every single day. You guys probably didn't expect chasing Kelsey to be a big greens guy, did you? Travis? No, you didn't. Travis, because he is Travis. What? This is way more than basic greens. It's like nine products in one. 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Spent a lot of times in and out of steel mills while also looking for life among the stars. Our next guest is our papa, the first dad of two sons playing each other in the Super Bowl. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Ed Kelsey. Yellow Ed Kelsey. Yellow Ed Kelsey. Anybody that's ever called our house in Cleveland Heights has heard the famous and infamous yellow Ed Kelsey as pops would work from home and he would always have his slogan right as he answered the phone. So that's a little shout out a little love to everybody back in Cleveland Heights. Well, dad, thanks for being here. Have you seen the show? Everyone haven't seen the last one. Haven't seen the last one yet. What are you doing? It's been like our most successful one. Or was it? Take that. I'll get around. He'll get around to it. I'll get with the program here. If you haven't seen or if you've seen. I actually haven't seen them at all. I listened to them. You listened to them. Well, if you've listened to them, you know that we we're not experts. We're not at all. What's the word I'm looking for? You're not professional. That's where the word I was looking for. See, that's what dad's good. You're not media professionals. That's right. I don't want you to pocket. I don't want you to pocket figure that out. I'm not qualified to do interviews. We're just going to have a conversation with our dad. Dad and two sons having a combo. But I think people are going to love it. So, Trev, why don't you lead it off? Let's lead it off. Our first segment pops is the Super Bowl questions that we just have to ask you. But good. And ever so we've known for about a week now that we're going to be playing in the Super Bowl. Super Bowl 56. Seven. How do you not know seven Trevus? Can you read Roman numerals? The five is a V. So I just haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it. It's L-V-I-I. Nice. Well, that would be 57. What's L-I-I-V? 52. That's the three. There we go. Pops is here. That's where we got that here. Yes. All right. You can have that one. Pops, how's the last week been for you since you found out we were going to the Super Bowl? It's been crazy. Yes. It's been fun. It's been crazy. It's been I have had a little taste of how your phones get blown up. Oh, yeah? With text messages and emails and calls. I now understand why you. How do you not answer your phone? How do you do it? How do you deal with it? How do you deal with it? Good. What I do not answer my phone now. Dad, you have to at least get back in advance. Well, I get back to people that I've talked to in the past. It is John. A couple of writers that are grieving John Hostage is one of them. Got back with John a couple of times. Talked, certainly talked to Andy Baskin. Talked with their media show there. Oh, so you're mostly talking about just media requests and people want to get you all there. Oh, yeah. I don't. I don't. Yeah. I've heard from cousins. I'm going to die. Well, I mean, I'm sorry. Hey, guys, they're not. They need not to let you know they're here. I'm hearing from people. I've heard from people I haven't heard from. 50 years. Who's your favorite person you've heard from? The favorite person I've heard from. I said that with Sam Farmer last Tuesday. Who in the. Who Sam Farmer? Sam Farmer is a sports writer for the LA Times. He is in the pro football hall of fame as a football writer. This is a guy. This is this is a top level guy. He just showed up. Let it. Let it go. Had a great time at a great visit with him. What did you guys talk about? We talked about you guys. And you know, the whole football thing. After that, it's always fun to talk to PJ. PJ's a sports sports journalist on air journalist at the Fox eight Cleveland. Which was the local local news. Always always got to show that love. Yeah, always have a local guys. Always with talking with local guys. I'll tell you what people didn't then. I mean, we got to let everybody know mom had the communications degree, but you actually had a journalist like career there for a journal. Like is it the journalist? Yeah, journalist career there for a second. What are you talking about? You were he was he came out with a few articles. He would always have it. He would always have his blog. Yeah, you did the one piece on recruiting. Well, no, that's just that's just a story I wrote. And posted it on best part of a book that I've never finished. Called Somebody to Grow Up With about YouTube. Which I got to get off my button, finish at one of these days. Right on. And when I'm going to put that on the website, when I actually did something with fogdad.com. Fogdad. So you got to let everybody know what fogdad is now, pops. Find old gentlemen, dad. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Hey, okay, fucking old guy, dad. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody, every cop had a fog team and the fog team was the guys over 30. They were still playing rugby. Oh, really? So we're the fogs. You're a fogdad now Jason. We're fogs now. Yeah. That's right. Holy cow. You're a fogdad. Yeah, that's right. Fogdad. And I thought the entire time it was fattleguy. I really did. I thought it was fattleguy too. You're literally a fogdad. Easy. I'm a fogdad regardless. Regardless. The fattleguy, that's good. I got to remember that. I'm just a fog. I'm just a fog. Yeah. Pines. They were always trying to clean up say, fine old gentleman and, uh, in reality, a fucking old guy. Yeah. Well, no, that's not necessarily true. Pops. Who are you rooting for? Yeah. Now that we're here. Kelsey. For. Kelsey. For. Kelsey. Kelsey. Okay. Kelsey. Okay. But there's two teams. So. We'll be here all day if you, if, well, we're going to be here a long time while you try and get that. All right. We're, we're, we're in a battle to the death. One of us has to survive. Who are you ready for? Both of you. I don't know. I'm going to go. Both of us. I'm going to die. No, both of you. Both both of you are going to win. I'm going to go to captain, the captain Kirk route. The captain. I don't believe in no win situations. Gosh. That's good. That's for sorry, Trek. Jamesy. Yeah. Okay. No, no, wait, way over my head for sure. Yeah. I know. I know. Jason's going to lie to you and say he knows what he's talking about. Well, I know who captain Kirk is. I don't remember the specific situation we're talking about here. This is from like 1967. Yeah, Jason, you know. This is from the TV show. This isn't from the movies. Yeah. I'm not a star. I'm not a Trekkie. Do you know what a Trekkie is, Trek? Trekkie? I would say the cult that follows Star Wars. Star Trek. Star Wars is a Star Trek mix. Look at this guy. He's all over the place. Let me put my glasses on. Next question. Thank you for getting us to move on. We know a lot of the media has been at you to get you to talk about the Kelsey Bowl that is to come. So let's get these out of the way. Okay. Go. We've already asked you who the favorite is. And you said me, which I love you for that. But who are you talking to first after the game? The winner of the loser. Uh, probably the loser. You have any reason for that or? Somebody's going to feel pretty crummy. Yeah. And I want to, and I want to be with him initially. Yeah. Trev said that, uh, you know, mom can't lose. But actually mom is going to lose and you're going to lose, right? There's going to be a winning, you know, losing. No. No, one of you guys, one of you guys are going to lose. You're not going to lose with one of us? You're going to go with the winner? I have already won, dude. You've won what? I'm on my most popular podcast in sports. That's right. That's what I have won for five. Yeah. I have, I've already fucking won. Okay. All the rest of this is just window dressing. All right. You're never going to get the answer you wanted. We're going to talk about winning and losing the Super Bowl. All right. Well, mom said we're bad losers. Is that true? I think you both take it to heart. I don't think you're bad losers. I think you, I think you feel for each teammate. I think regardless of your performance on the field, which is generally stellar, you come off of a loss and you're pushing your blaming as you're blaming yourselves. Yeah. And that's, and that's the stuff that, that were, that were makes us proud. Yeah. That you recognize that this is a. You, you instilled it. I know you instilled it in me. I'm sure Jason has stories like this, but I remember growing up always, whenever I had a great game, it was, it was, yeah, it was a good, it was a good game, but you could do better. Yeah. It was always, it was always taking it up a notch. I remember feeling like I, you know, I had the best game of my life hit a home run to, to win the game or something like that and like, yeah, it was exciting. It was exciting, but those first two at bats, you were. Got a lock in son. Can't, I'm like, can't hit her if you don't see it. Yeah. Well, the biggest room is the room for improvement. Right on, brother. I also, I also remember doing really want to game. Dad, didn't I do good? And you're like, stop seeking, uh, uh, praise. I forget what you exactly you said, but you were, you're not a fan of, uh, validation. Yeah. I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I remember you doing that, but I don't know, I don't know why I added that, but. I felt like. Did you know there's a, did you know there's a petition to get mom to do the coin flip? Have you heard about this? I've heard roars. It's nationwide. Well, good. If right or out there, flip the coin. Dude. Do you think mom can flip a coin? I did. I did. You know, this is, this is, you got a better chance to get me to pick a winner than to enter this conversation. Well said, well said Jason, take us to our next one. All right. We're going to talk growing up, dad. I, I fully intend to. Okay. Let's talk about you growing up. Where, where you from, family background. Let's just give like a quick high level overview of Ed Kelser's life. The oldest of two children grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, neighborhood called Collivwood, which was home to the Collivwood railroaters. And they saw you because this was a huge rail yard for traffic between Chicago and New York, Mobile and Detroit all passed through Cleveland and, and those yards, Blue College town, Blue College part of Cleveland, great neighborhood. It was a lot of fun. Went to one of the biggest high schools in Northeast Ohio at the time, St. Joe's, and also had a year in college, right? I probably had a year in credits. It wasn't all one year in college. Okay. And what college? I would, I did a quarter and a half. At Ohio State. The Ohio State. The Ohio State. Dad was a buff guy, man. Ron, Ron, I don't know, buddy. He had to come home. I'll run some other problems that we're not going to divulge here. Went to try to see a cut for, oh, I think I've got some place around a year and a half of credits, some place between Ohio State, Cleveland State University and Tri-C. What did you do after college? Well, you know, I tried, I started out working in a lab, in a, in a foundry that is rather than actually working in the production of the, the steel castings, I would be taking samples and taking them back to the lab and analyzing them. Of course, you know, we didn't have the machines they got down to do. Whatever you do was wet chemistry. So you'd have, you know, if you're going to, you're going to test a particular heat of, of, of steel, you might have 30 different beakers with little bits that you're dissolving and you're going to put different reagents in there and see how it reacts and and all that. So started out at that. They started doing some, some physical testing of seals, things like that. The steel mill, that's where, and that's where you ended up, for the most part of our life, the steel mill was, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So where'd you be mom? Tell them out. Tell them out. You, didn't you, weren't you in the Coast Guard? Didn't you do the Coast Guard? Well, I did, I did the Coast Guard. I tried to, I tried to join first, I tried to join the Marines. They didn't let you in. They didn't know they were because of my knees. What, what was wrong with your knees? Because well, I had the cartilage taken out of my left knee. And when you were, that was when you were playing high school football, right? That was high school football. And, and they said, now we're not doing this. And then I went to the army and tried to win us in the army. Now you got to remember everybody in my family prior to me was in the service. I mean, but you know, but we're, we're also talking about everybody's family lived through World War II. Okay. So that's, that's what everybody did because of the big one. Yeah. Sure. Got to run the right, you know, I got a little pissed off actually, your recruiters, officer with the army, because I don't know, you got people going to Canada to keep from getting drafted. And I'm here offering to come in. And I had some grisled old sergeant just chew me out about, you know, what am I going to tell the mother of the guy that dies trying to carry your big ass out of there? Because you can't walk. And legitimate pointy. Yeah. Point. Yeah. Point. And he, and he said, you really want to serve your country? I'll be in the service. You could try the Navy or Coast Guard. I'd recommend the Coast Guard. The Navy is going to give you shit about your knees too. About your knee. There was no, there was only the left knee at that point. Yeah. And I, I did, I must sit in the Coast Guard and the, the Crohn's reared up. I had that before. Yeah. And I was, I was sick and went through most of basic training with, with some severe gastrointestinal. This entire time, I thought you flanked your way out of it. Well, I didn't serve. I thought I got the flanking from you. No, no, no. They just, they, you know, if I, if they're sick, they don't, they don't need sick people in the service. They need people ready to perform. You know, I do remember they taught you one thing really well. You were the best floater I've ever seen in a body. You didn't know how to flow. I mean, was it not impressive? I could either. I still don't know how you did that. It was like flat as a board. Everything up on top of the water. Well, not everything. What, what you actually did was you take a deep breath and you just let your arms and your legs hang down. And no, you don't, you have your arms in front of your legs, your hand, and down. Yeah. And when you, when you have to take a breath again, you kick your legs, push your hands down. Yeah. And you rise up, take a breath, and go back down. Yeah. To get through basic training, you had to do that for an hour. An hour. What? And there are, there are reports of people doing that that, you know, I always would share. I don't know the pool. In, in the, you know, we were doing it in the pool. But I mean, the, the training is because that's what you do in the ocean. If you don't have, you don't do the water and you don't have a life vest. Yeah. You do drown. It was called, drown proofing is what it was called. How long could you do that for you think? I don't know. I don't know. You made it at least an hour though. No, I didn't, I didn't do a whole hour because I didn't get that far along in the training. I probably did a couple, probably just 20 minutes, 10, 20 minutes, something like that. Well, I think you would have a minute. They didn't send you out there to do that for an hour right off the bat. Yeah. You had to do a few times. You had to perfect the process. Growing up, growing up, I thought you were the most least dense man that I had ever met in my life because you were just rising. You were just sitting right there at the top the entire time. It was impressive. Where did you meet mom? That's what we're. Fakins. Fakins, baby. Fakins. Fakins. Fakins. Fakins. Was that around you? Yeah. Fakins was one of only maybe two or three bars on the east, east bank of the flats at that time. Everything else down there was all, there were Samsel Marine supply. There were, and there were, you know, there were manufacturing company small amount of apps doing either metal work as some sort or putting together things and they were all there to search the prayers. The flats, everybody can do their history on the flats. We got to get back to mom. So mom actually told us that you stole her from her date that night. You swooped her. You swooped her up. She was supposed to go to a play at Playhouse Square and see Chicago. Chicago! With another guy and told us, screw that bum. Let's make some NFL babies. I don't, I don't actually remember that. Do you remember your pickup line? She's saying how you're doing. You got to realize I'm coming there out of a shop that I worked at in the flats where I made ceramic fired pieces for the steel industry. Yeah. Inhale. So I'm in healing chemicals. Yep. I'm in coveralls that are covered with cement and stuff. Yes. So fucking strong working man. That's what you came in there looking like. That's what she got. She was talking about the pickup line. That's what got her. Yeah, and we started talking and I needed her and I needed her and I needed her right home. She gave me a right home and she came out and said, well, hang on. We like changed. She's a right home. Well, she gave me a right back. This one is looking like Greg, with Greg and Bill, which yeah, she gave me a right home. Took a quick shower and cleaned up, but we went out to to the bar. Over in Cedar Center called the no name. The no name. Classic. Classic. No name. Classic. No name. No name. Clever. No name kicked up and did lots of business about 11 30 every night because bars and cleaver heights closed at 11. Oh, nice. Any more. Bar and cleaver heights and university heights closed at 11 and their own name was in South Euclid. Ooh. And so 11 30. On that part. You got you got everybody went to the no name. That's just a smart place. I mean, the place should be dead. The place should be dead until 11 o'clock and then, you know, boom. Yeah. Oh, smart business model right now. Sounds like a true American love story. Well, speaking of cleaver heights, we've talked about growing up in cleaver heights. And mostly all the damage we did to the house. How would you describe raising both of us? A fun. Yeah. Panic, man. This is all right. What, um, did you, yeah, I mean, you made us a mini stick arena in the basement out of plywood and carpeting on top of cement, which I don't know how we were able to do that. The cement was so bad. Yeah. So bad. Well, the thing I remember the carpeting was that thick rope, sisal, carter. Oh, I remember. Which is kind of rough when it scrapes your skin, but it's a good path between the concrete. It was a thick carpet. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. When you built the mini stick arena, how heavy duty did that thing need to be built? No, what do you mean? I just, I cut the boards and just found ways to prop them up. If I would have, for instance, you know, I could do more. You have to get architectural jobs. Two by four. No, I just kind of take four by eight sheets and rip them in half. I had talked with the idea of taking two by fours as backing is to hold them all together, give them more rigid. But then you're talking about something that's not going to be a lot of give to. Yeah. And I really wasn't. Not realistic. You too. It's not realistic. I also knew there were going to be a bump on a kid's down there that I don't want somebody else getting hurt. Did you think about splinters? No, because I got a fuck ton of those. Yeah, I got them. Yeah. I mean, I knew they were coming, but it's good for the immune system. Got to build up the immunities. Good point. Good point. Big immune system guy. I actually expected that thing to be destroyed like in the first couple of weeks. Get last. It was a broke. It was a year. It did. It was in a couple of years. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty good. We had the sports complex outside too though. That's not good. We used the house and the garage, his back stops or, you know, part of the rules of the game. When you got fired up in hockey, we did the thing. I made a PVC goal and then through a bad bit and we've had around that. And so you guys could shoot outside on the driveway, shoot pucks at the goal. And you would miss the goal when we have these indentations in the garage doors all over the place. And we would turn it around and there go the windows in the basement. Boom, boom, boom. Had more dents than a Pro V1. Yeah. We can't forget that. We can't forget. We can't forget hand baseball. Yeah. That was so big. That was so big. Yeah. That was so much fun. What were the rules of hand baseball? The rules of hand baseball were. It's like kickball rules. Yeah. Like kickball. Yeah. You hit the ball with your hand and if you feel the ball and can hit him before he gets with the ball before he gets the first base, he's out. Yeah. If you can hit him any time you've got the ball, if you can hit him when you're not on base, he's out. Right. And if you hit the house, it was a below a certain amount. Well, was the house a home run or was it above a certain height was a home run? No, if you nailed the house, it was a home run. Yeah. Actually, we're, we didn't start playing the levels until we got the wiffle ball and we started trying to put the football. Yeah. Yeah. No, because we're playing with roll-up socks if you remember. I do not remember that. Ah, I remember that a little bit. Rolled-up socks. We did hacky sacks, but the hacky sacks, every shot was a home run with you two. Oh, okay. So I started just rolling upside. Home run guy. Because he wouldn't go that far. Nice. Oh, right now. Made a little bit harder. When it was great exercise, I will never remember. I never forget it. Excuse me. Uncle Don comes over and of course he lived in Parmesan. He and he comes over and he's going to play hand-based ball with us. And he played away, have a great time. And the next day he calls it, he can't move. His arms, his shoulders, his legs. And it really was a good workout. I mean, for an adult, because you're doing a lot of quick twitch moves. Yeah. It's almost like a continual cone drill. Hi, Pop. You just got done talking about handball and all these things. What made you get Travis and I in sports? What was, why were sports so important? Well, sports weren't, I didn't get you in Travis in the sports. And sports weren't all that important as such. It was more of a natural progression of what you guys wanted to do. So, well, I thought, I thought you were. As a kid though, you don't really know about sport. Like what was the, the first thing we did was a tee ball or soccer. First thing you did was your toddler on the living room for you. Rolled a ball to me, I rolled it back and you know, we played that way. And that's, that's where it all started. And this is where we're at today. So, what point did you sign us up for tee ball or soccer? Well, first, first opportunity, first opportunity. Five years old for tee ball. Did you coach immediately with tee ball? Because I know you are our coach in youth baseball. No, I, I, I, tee ball was hard. When we were on the watch, we were through. No, no, we was, there were a lot of hair and a lot of people wanted to be coaches. It's more like taking care of me. I'm not, you know, I've just, you know, just have fun. You know what I mean? I do remember you giving me. I do remember you giving me one piece of coaching advice in tee ball, which was, he pulled me aside and you said, Jason, none of these kids can throw a catch. Just keep running. And just keep running. You're in the park. Yeah. And for the life of me, I couldn't figure out why other parents did do the same thing. You know what I mean? Nobody took it that serious. Nobody was like, how can I get my son out of it? I don't want to home run. Don't stop running. Oh my God. Legendary, man. So you did a coaches in tee ball. When did you start coaching us? I, I did coach, I coach Travis in, in tee ball. In the heights. Because I was in the heights. Gotcha. And did that. And at the same time I did that. You were in coach pitch. Yeah. At heights and it wasn't a height youth program. It was run by, it was run by the school actually. Community services, community services. That wasn't a height program though. That was in the heights and it was heights community services, but it was a height rack. Gotcha. So it wasn't up at four sales. And you know, and this was, this was all, you know, touchy feely, you know. Oh yeah. Touchy. It's coach. It's coach. It's baseball. What are you talking about touchy feely like? Well, I was. You can't get much more touchy feely than coach pitch baseball. I, I, I went out the pitch one time and I threw it over hand. And then there were, there were parents there who objected to overhand pitch. Gotcha. Have to throw it. Everybody has to get it underhand. Everybody has to go underhand. Yeah. That's what we. And you're like, all right, this is not the level. Face. Body. And I want our kids going. So we went over to candy service. I felt so underhand to you. All right. And everything is a line shot where you have little kids scared to death. Okay. Every time you come up. So it was out of safety. So is that a safety? And, and it's, well, about the safety of the cancel. You're never going to get it underhand. So we never got it underhand. Yeah. We, uh, and at that time, heights youth baseball had just consolidated. Like, you know, they had, uh, they have like three different programs going on at the same time. That is between travel teams and there were, there were two now, like a little league organization and, uh, I forget what the other one was called. And they had just consolidated everything. And Rich Johnson, I kept telling him, look it, I got to just put this kid in kid pitch. He'll be fine. And he said, I can't do it. He says, everybody's going to want to do that. And I said, I, so we took James. Yeah. We went to South Euclid. So you played, yeah, you played one year of, uh, of kid pitch in South Euclid when you were seven years old. Yeah. Denison. Yeah. The seven are great. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of them at Denison, it was, uh, the coach was great guy. You remember you had to hockey coach your first year. Yes. Joe, uh, Joe talked to the coach that his son played with. Yes. She just come on out here and some of them are not there. And, and he had a great, a great time. It was fun. And, uh, and you, you know, you did well. You, you were, I didn't like you being either one of you guys, but really started mostly rotation. I didn't like you being on a team where you were the stud. Okay. I wanted you to be on a team where you got to work harder to play up at the level. Everybody else's makes sense. Makes sense. And, uh, we did that. Then the following year, you're eligible for high-cheath baseball. And that's when you started coaching. That, yes. I, I told there, I told, yeah, I had coached, I coached the T ball with Travis. I actually had that same year. I coached T ball with Travis. Just not Coach. Yeah. And then, uh, then the year after that, the South, the, the Delaware back in Cleveland Heights, you're playing for, for Rod Schmidt and, and Ron, uh, won yourselves a white hat, won yourselves a white hat. The legendary championship champion. I should have had that at a two-way. I don't, I don't, I don't have one of those. Pops, we, uh, time out. Oh, we got, when you, yeah, what were your rules as a coach? He had one rule that I had. One, one, one, two. No, I had, I very, I, very, very, very disciplined coach. This was, because this was youth baseball, community baseball. I was, and as much as I was able to win, as much as anybody else, I had very specific rules, for the team. Yeah. You would go from the infield, one inning, to the outfield, that extending, to the bench, that extending, and then repeat. Yeah. That way every kid played equally, every kid would be exposed to more, more positions. Uh, Costes a few games, maybe. Uh, now that was, those are my rules. We love that though. We do love that. And I'll tell you what, I remember playing for you. And it was the year that I played both travel ball and community ball, because you were, you were, you were coaching community ball. When we were in college still, like you never stopped. Yeah. If you guys left home, well, you know, I, I didn't, I didn't, didn't seek it. So I got a call from Larry Shaw. Yeah. You said, Gerald, I, I, I need some coach. I need a coach. Can you help me out? Yeah. And that was going to be a coach pitch. Yep. And I did that. And I did that. I played, I, I coached for six years. And I had, I had kept the kids, you know, I didn't try to build this powerhouse here or anything, but the kids, I coached the first year, the parents come back next year. They want to play for the same guy. Because we did this thing. You played every position. Yep. Everybody played equal. Well, how did you do the lineup? The lineup was cool. How you did that too? Yeah. Well, that was, that was just basically print out a spreadsheet and put everybody's name in there. And it was just, you know, the first nine names, or 10 names. Back to Soft Excel. We're on the field. It works for lineups too. Five or six in the infield, four in the outfield. I thought you used to say you did the lineup based on who showed up to the field first. Well, that's batting order. Is that not what I like? That's a lineup. I know, well, okay, lineup. I did a batting order according to who showed up. Yeah. So I'm there at half hour, when I get there a half hour before, before the game, I'm going to start doing the lineup. Now it's actually there an hour before the game. Yeah. But half hour. Did you tell parents? Did you tell parents? Everybody. I had a print out at the beginning of the year that made it very clear. And pamphlet? Yeah, no, just one paper. And pamphlet guy. Yep. We're going to do this with, we're going to do this with playing time. We're going to do this with positioning. Ask for volunteers for snacks, it's stuff I get. I said, the batting order will be when they show up. So if you're, if you bring your kid at two minutes before game time, every week, don't come to me because he's batting last. So if the best hitter showed up last, he was nice. He was batting last. It's terrible coaching, pop. That's that. It's not good. I'm not going to lie. I would have definitely been in the bottom of that lineup. I'm not punctual at all. This wasn't this wasn't this wasn't this wasn't this wasn't this. This wasn't a kid's fault. This was the parents fault. They also probably were. Bikes. They were not bikes. They can't go to the field on their own. They're no, but we are. What are you talking about? They got bikes. Let's keep them on it. You can't be making accusations of parents. All right. What sport did you play growing up? Mostly baseball and football. There was too little basketball, but that was that was a pretty basic level. And we just touched on that. You tore your knee up. Your senior year of high school. And then you decide to play rugby after with a bum knee. Well, I saw rugby. I was at Ohio State. I saw rugby. That's pretty cool. Then when I came to came back home after I got out of Ohio State, I ran in some guys that they're no name and were rugby players. Oh, they're no name. They're no name coming up a lot. Yeah. Ended up and ended up going to a practice. Actually, we went to a game first and the rugby games were awesome. They're out in the metro parks. We had, we had an agreement with the metro parks. We had a field we could use. They cut it for us. We lined it, put up goal posts. And your two other cars on both sides. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's how I did the other day. And so can you definitively say which sport is tougher? Which, which players are tougher? Football? Oh. They don't, they don't wear pads and rugby, Dad. I know, but they don't block. They don't block. They don't block. You're not on the block and rugby? No, you're not on the block. But you play the ball. You're not playing the man. You play the ball. What's a scrum? A scrum is in the block. He's a basic quarterback sneak. No scrum is you have, you have nine guys on either side of the number. We're not three, five, seven guys, eight guys on both sides of the ball that are locked together. And they roll the ball in the middle. Yeah, they don't push you. They cheat. They cheat. They do. They kind of roll it up. But they do that in the ID as you push, you push these guys back and forth until the ball comes out the back. Were you in the scrum or were you? I was, I was second row. So there's, there's a, the guy in the middle called a hooker in the front row. Then there's two guys that are front row props. Okay. Then there's two guys second row. Sure. And then there's three guys behind middle. Okay. And that's, that's a typical, that's how it goes. So football players are tougher? I think you get a lot more high collision. Basically because high speed collisions in football, I mean, you've got, you've got pads. You think you're not going to get hurt. You're running faster. You're guys are getting blocked, getting, you know, so basically you're. So remember rugby, if you're going to come out full blast and lay somebody out, it's going to hurt you. You ain't got pads either. And worst of all is you're missing an opportunity to grab the ball. You tackle a guy as soon as he hits the ground, he's got to let go of the ball. Okay. And so you're at that point, you're jockeying for position. I mean, the ball is a constant line of scrimmage moving and you're not allowed to go past it. Unless you have possession of it. Wow. So you have to do everything right now. And that was the run. See when he's got, yeah, Jordan, you're awesome. Yeah, Jordan. Milada. Yeah. What, uh, I was going to say, Juju Smith's Schuster actually. Oh, really? Yeah. He grew up playing rugby. Out of the alley, I believe on Kali. California was huge with rugby, so was Texas. Right on teams. Teams I played for and Cleveland were pretty good. Basically, Dad, what you're saying is that Jason wouldn't have been good at rugby because he's a blocker and I would be really good at rugby because you don't have to block. Yeah. Jason would have been Jason. I could just flank the entire fucking game. I think there's legitimately a position called the flaker. Well, the flaker is a wider. Yeah. No, maybe in football and rugby, you have wings. You have the two guys at the end of the scrub on the outside on the back. I call them wing forwards. Those are generally your fastest big men. All right. The two wings, the eight man, two seconds, two props and a hooker. That group is called the pack, which is like the offensive line. And they basically hung together. Jason would have been awesome at rugby because of his attitude. And not only that, if the guys run them with the ball, if you can tackle them, that's fine. Well, what's better is when you look there and you take that ball from them. And let's also be honest, why I'd be good at rugby is because I like to drink beer. And I think that that's pretty much the most. Oh, that's the only reason why Dad really went. He met the team at the bar and then after every single game, after every single game. After failure, tap the kick. That's right. How do I know when you guys are coming to the no name? We're doing it after every rugby game. If you just go right from the right field. What's, let's get to this. So we've credited mom very frequently with our athletic jeans. Does this, is this a fair accreditation? Yes, absolutely. There's science to back that up. There's science. That's what that's what I've been told. Now, have I done the research now? The thing is, Oh, you're saying we can get your athletic ability probably from your brother. Okay. You don't think it's because. You don't think you had any. If we got it, if we could have gotten it from you, would you have offered athletic ability? Sorry, Mr. Gelfie. I don't want to lose the other question. Speaking of mom, you're divorced. And we asked mom this question. How much do you hate mom? None of them. Cost. We, both of them are liars. There's a staff. No, we're kidding. We know you guys don't hate each other. Ask one of those questions where you can a short quick answer to the point and shut the fuck up. Okay. All right. That did not go as planned. Also learned great things for men Kelsey. Shouting the fuck up is one of them. We know you don't hate her because you still remind us to call her all the time. You still remind us to let. Reach out to her on a birthday for a divorced couple. Boy, you two sure do care about each other still. Well, surely I would want nothing but happiness for your mother. Yeah. So you don't regret marrying her at all? No. You're happy about that. What is we've told the story in the show about you taking a second job around Christmas in order to pay for gifts. Was it actually to pay for gifts or was it just for free candy? Let's set the record. I said I didn't know any about candy. What? Nothing about candy. You only had a candy store. Well, I didn't know. Yours, that was your product. And wasn't it? I mean, I can't store as a candy kiosk, which probably less oversane than a candy kiosk. You got to know more about candy. They work at the kiosk. No, I didn't. I actually knew nothing about it. I just, I went looking for a job. There's an ad in the paper for part time seasonal work. Typically, if you're working in the seal industry in the sales of operational products or any of the installations, even if you're just a service guy, things slow down right around Thanksgiving till after the first of the year. Yeah. They're avoiding buying anything until they get into a new fiscal year. Yeah. And guys don't want to be bothered. Yeah. You know, just go. You know, you show up with, you know, my big thing was, you know, honey, big ham. The show company, big ham certificates. I give them to these guys and I get thank you cards from their wives. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that was pretty, that was, I would do that. So I had time and looking for something part time. It, the first year was because the, the iPad, the, iPods had just come out. Oh, yeah. You guys wanted those ridiculously expensive carbon fiber hockey. Hockey sticks? Yeah. East. Yeah. The Synergy sticks. Synergy sticks. And so, so I need to get a part time job for that and, and it paid good. I mean, it paid a good hourly wage. So what, why did you do that? What, what, why was making Christmas special so important to you? I have two kids and I was crazy about it. Yeah. I don't know what all, you know, Yeah. That's a good answer. I think that's the only answer. I don't think, I don't think that's, I don't think I'm unique in that or anything else. You know, plus, you know, it was worth just finding those gifts. It brought in some more, some more cash or realm of how it is for, for all of us. That's fair. We always bring up how you have new needs. You have, you have. Yes, new needs. New needs. You were just going to ask you to hit a new needs for us. So thank you right on cue. How did you, how did you get these new needs? Right now, how did it, what was the, what was the, what was the, what was the, the doctor and got new needs? What do you mean? Well, I, I, Social and primary care guy. We don't need this whole. Sorry about that. My bad. My bad. Wrong question. Are new, are artificial needs better than actual needs? Oh hell no. Hell no. Hell no. They're not. I see you move around the garden and you look a whole lot better. Well, yeah, but, but if I would, if I hadn't turned, you got to realize that while I had surgery that, that took me out of sports and high school, that would be a bump in the road for a high school player now. Yeah. Okay. Because I mean, they would first, I mean, the scar, first of all, they don't go in and nobody goes in and takes the entire cartilage out anymore. Yeah. That's a bad idea. They take, they go in, they shave off the frayed edges and they take out the vessel and they, and they do stuff to increase up blood flow, so it heals. And they're doing all that arthoscopically where they're just going in with like little needles and cameras and sure. Sure. Yeah. I know. I know. I know. I know. It's scar. How long has scars had long? What do I, yeah, what do, what do artificial needs feel like? They're, I don't know that they feel any different than, uh, that I feel new. Then that's what they certainly can move a lot better. Got some. Lucy Goosiness to them? Yeah, I'd about to say. Yeah. They're, it's a little tight and, you know, truth be told, I haven't followed up as well as I should have. No. Damn it, yeah. It was a therapy. What? Damn it. But I'll tell you, my fun, my best story about the new D's. Yeah. What's the best one? It was a last year was the first year really went, got on airplanes to come and see you guys. Yeah. Okay. Cause the pandemic here, nothing. And those are, that's really the year that I had the D's released. Yep. I got the airport in Philly and I'm, or, or anything, or in Philly. And I'm, I'm a gate 23 son of a bitch. I'm looking around, see if there's, I have somebody with a golf carton get a ride from. Yeah. Nobody there. So I start to walk and it hits me. Oh, this ain't no big deal anymore. I can walk again. I can do this. This is okay. Did you have an issue with the metal detector? Yeah. All right. I guess now it's not metal detectors anymore. It's like the. Well, if you, if you go through the metal detector, they can't, you can't continue. You have to go through the, you know, you know, the one where you put your hands above your head and it spins around. It's like a 3D picture of any metal. Oh, they can look and they can actually, yeah. If you have your medical implants, you have to go through that. You can't go through the thing where you just walk through. Got it. Well, no, no, we know. I'll tell you what, dad, I tell everybody that Jason is Ed Kelsey 2.0. You guys are literally mirror images of each other and I love every bit of it. Do you agree? Do you see more in Jason of yourself than you do in me? Am I spot on with this? Oh, hello. There are things that there are and you're not the first one to mention that there are mannerisms, tones, speech things, the way we talk and address people and stuff that are very similar between me and Jason. Oh, yeah. But as far as do I see more of myself and Jason than you? No, in some ways it's, it might be the other way. Whoa. In what way specifically? Well, I don't, uh, I'm not going to get out. We all were thinking it. We're all thinking it. Cc and I get a fix. It's saying you can't read. Yeah, it's very poor with money. That's a great thing. What are we talking about? What? We're not going out. No, we're not going out. Tramp, come on. You got this never. But now I want to know what you see in me that you see it yourself. Um, when do you feel the end of it? When did you feel like the NFL might be an actual reality for me and Jason? Did you ever think about steering us in a different direction or when we? I was never going to steer you any place. I was just, you know, my, my thoughts were always, uh, my job is to help you find a passion and then feed that passion. Uh, now your passion, both of you guys were sports. You know, but we've been the same thing. Or we've been music, dance, art, whatever. You know, whatever you want to do on there, but you're doing something. God damn it. Yeah. And, uh, as far as the NFL, uh, it was very apparent to me when you're in high school, there was something graciously special about both of you. Uh, maybe even middle school. Uh, in another one in the cupid. Yeah. Bigger than everybody. Might have been the size. No, okay. No, no, no, uh, but a time puberty hit, you've been playing hockey for three or four years each. Right. Hockey was such a huge influence. Yeah. Uh, and, and, and talk to you so much about team sports that, that, that translate over whether it's baseball, basketball, football, whatever you're going across. Mm hmm. Whatever you're, whatever you're playing, you're, you're using those skills. And why I don't necessarily mean the physical skills. I'm talking more than the middle aspect, you know, hockey, they're going to skate. Do something very uncomfortable on the Orthodox. Move across ice on, on, on, on skates. At the same time, you got to stick, you keep on the ice, you got to puck, you can't book at it and you got to keep skating. And at the same time, you're looking at a rotation. Yeah. On that ice of where players are going and to know where you're going to go. Yeah. And, uh, I'll tell you when it, when it really hit me about how much your, the exposure that you guys had to multiple sports impacted everything was, was Travis's, uh, Travis's summer of your off the team. When you play baseball. Yeah. The only time I've ever gotten cut in my life. Well, I got cut in college too, but. And I watch him. You go up to the plate and start looking around, everything going on, looking at the coach, seeing all these signs. And, uh, and the next, the next swing to ball went, where should it go? Hit behind the runner, the runner advanced. And I see him on second base. He's looking all around where everything is catching signs back and forth. And I think that what we're seeing here is the culmination of, uh, of a lifetime, I'll be at a brief lifetime, but a lifetime of playing multiple sports and understanding team games and how you're, how, how you need to interact to make your teams better. And, uh, I mean, it's, uh, the same skills, the same mindset. That was scouting me. Like that is, is, is the same mindset that you have when you got on the football field. When, uh, when you're playing, when Jason was playing lacrosse, it was the same thing. And, uh, and I think that is what made a difference. Now at that point, by then everybody knew you were going to be in the NFL. I, I had a pretty good indication this was going to happen. You just got kicked off the team. I wasn't even playing. Both of you guys. Yeah. It's a four-round conclusion at that point. I did. I just switched positions and I was, I looked like, dream on green trying to run routes. What do you mean? It was really, really speaking more about it that time. I knew it was, it was a four-round conclusion with Jason, but, uh, but. And you knew, I knew how to follow footsteps. And you knew Travis was more athletic than me. So if Jason's going, Travis is going. All right. What's, if we wouldn't have gone into the NFL pop, what do you think we would both be doing? I don't, we don't, to, and to be honest, we don't know the answer to this question. So I doubt you're going to know the answer. You would be doing, you would be doing something with sports. So do you think Travis would be in the NBA? Well, not even going there. Don't try to drag me in the ass. It's just a question. I'm not going to get anything. There's no agenda behind that question. Travis, could Travis have played in the NBA? Yes. But who do it? New it. But you know what was it? You want to be finished? Can I finish? Sure. All right. There would have been no baseball, no football. It would have been nothing but basketball because everybody that's in the NBA plays nothing but basketball. Yeah. I'm with you on that. Everybody in major league baseball plays nothing but baseball. And if you're not playing, you know, and you have to because every other player out there is doing the same thing as that's what they're doing. Same with hockey too. Yeah. I hear you. Yeah. And hockey is even worse. You're playing good. That's a good. What advice would you give parents listening whose kids might have aspirations of going into the NFL? Depending on the age. And it's hard to say kids got aspirations for the NFL when he's six, seven years old. Yeah. I mean, I would. I would. I would move away from the from the about aspirations for the NFL. Yeah. And I would say I would advise parents who want to feed that passion that their child has for athletics. And the most again, you sound like a broken record here. Put them on ice. That would be the first thing. Put them on ice. You're really think hockey is the main way to get to the NFL? No, I think hockey is the main way for you to understand team sports and develop conditioning and team play. And learn skills to do things that are unorthodox. Yeah. I think hockey is like that. I also think soccer is like that. Yeah. I think. Yes. And baseball is kind of like that. Baseball is a little bit different. Yeah. And the baseball is a little different. But. But if the kids have the aspirations, my problems with the parents who have the aspirations of the kids. Tell you got to tell the world what's your feedness man. Yeah. Speaking of feed, you just talked about what do you what do you feed NFL kids grow NFL future NFL players. What is the nutrition like for those kids growing up? That line. What is it? I'm going to tell you every but it's not for NFL kids. It's not for anything. It's for healthy young bodies. What's that? Meat protein. Protein with every meal, a carb with every meal, fruit and vegetable. Well, we're just so good with never. We've never got vegetables growing up. I never ate a single vegetable. We ate Georgios oven fresh pizza every single night. Not every night. Hey, worker, help for sometimes. Good. Go back to Georgia. Go back to Georgia. Go back to Georgia. Can we go to Georgia? Georgios. We're going to the Mango Bites. What's the Mango Bites? I want Mango Bites. Huh? Protein. We're going to be a Mango Bite. Cards. Cheese. What's that red stuff? That's sauce. Salt. Yes. Yeah. It's high fructose corn syrup. High fructose corn syrup. No. It's not. Yes. It's it. I guarantee it. It's a vegetable. It's a vegetable. It's a vegetable sauce. Somebody pull up the nutritional ingredients. Ladies and gentlemen, my type of Let's get to the real nutrition that we had every single time. Oh, most frequently probably. Besides peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, which was probably the number one thing we didn't know. New marinino. Yeah. And sauce gardener talked about this on Twitter and brought me back. Man, it was like hit me in the face. Beans and weenies. I feel like that was our major dish growing up. How are you? You had a lot of that. I tried to, I tried to, you know, I tried to bury things for dinner. So that, you know, so you didn't get tired of, you know. Wingstop and pizza. Or pineapple. Yeah. And, you know, you know, chicken steak and mashed potatoes. And beans and waders are another good one. I mean, there's a good vegetable there. There's some sugars there. Oh, I was hot dogs and mac and cheese. I was hot dogs and mac and cheese. I didn't do the beans. You were huge mac and cheese. Huge mac and cheese. Never did the beans. The beans were. Where did soda fit in? Where did Dr. Thunder fit into this nutritional? Where did you? Where did squirt fit in? Are you out of your mind? What? You're not in war. I used to steal your diet Pepsi when there was no other soda left. Well, you had to steal the diet Pepsi because I didn't want you drinking diet Pepsi. I never wanted you to get a fucking diet Pepsi. We had more soda in our basement than wild dogs and having their fridge raiders. I don't remember you guys drinking much of the way of soda. We have a character. We remember it. Every time you ordered. That was the deal at Georgia. You gave two large pizzas for free, two liter or whatever your choice was. I get the lards. Jason gets the lards and you get a free two liter. Listen to the world. I used to creep me. Your mother and I fought with the dog for the crush. Travis was much more into milk and Jason drank a lot of water. Yeah. Nice. You heard it. Pizza and hockey guys. That'll get you to the NFL right there. What was a good food? You know, I love peeping jays. So one of my favorite. Peeping jays, still a banger. I eat uncrustables every single game day. At least like five of them. It's ridiculous that it's one of the snacks in the locker pregame. It is. Middle of the game. Sports science. It's so good. What do the people listening need to know about NFL? Being a parent of an NFL player. You got anything unique that you can think of? Oh, I don't know so much unique. I would. I'm sure people have heard the same thing from a lot of different NFL players. You got to support them. You, you absolutely nothing you can do to to sue their their their bruised. That's just their bruised eagles with their hurt feelings and miserable. I mean, you lose a game. You feel like shit. No, you're kidding. You lose a game. Okay. You can hold. You get a pretty sound at the end. You get a movie and we're going to ice cream. You know what I mean? Get some doctor. I'm trying to forget about this. Yeah. Yeah. He gives a doctor property. Nobody's right. With, you know, with guys in the NFL, there's nothing you can do except you just be there, you know, how you feel and hopefully, you know, that's, that's one of the things you've got to be prepared for because you are totally powerless in that regard. Well, I got to tell you, if I. The other thing you got, you got to be very thankful that they have good friends. And you guys both have good, good friends, not just on the team. I do appreciate you recognizing our friends growing up in Cleveland Heights. I love telling everybody about the multicultural, the the difference in social class, the difference in race, and how tight knit of a community it really is and how everybody supports each other. I got such a great understanding of a lot of different walks of life because of my upbringing, because of how much you guys accepted everyone in the community just as much as they accepted us. And I'm still close with all my friends today. I'm a big believer and they've helped me, you know, become who I am just as much as anybody else. So I'm glad you, I'm glad you said that. We got to get the Kelsey family secrets. Is it Kelsey family secrets or is it Kelsey family secrets? Why in the world did you change your name out of nowhere? And now we are. I never, I never changed my name out of nowhere. Okay. Well, let's talk about it. Why, why do we, why did we think that our name was Kelsey for the first, how long, how long, 24 years? 25, 25 years, 25 years, 27 years of my life, 25 of trips. I got tired of correcting people. It's a good reason to stop. Yeah, it's as good as I've heard. So you changed your entire family's name over generations. Change anybody's name. Because you're tired of correcting people. I'm not gonna lie. Kelsey has a nice time out though, that doesn't explain why we thought it was Kelsey. Like I could understand you got tired of correcting people. So you're like, whatever. Yeah. All right. So tell them everything. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say these kids the because I never, because I never, because your mother thought it was Kelsey. Why did she think it was Kelsey? Because that was the name that I went by at work. That was my work name. All right. Everybody at work did that. So I just said fine. We'll just screw this. I'm gonna do that. My dad would get calls or we'll call in to get extra workers or auxiliary cop. And he would always say, Hey, this is Kelsey. You got anything for me? Got it. Should we go by Kelser Kelsey? Do whatever you want. I did. That's about as fair of a fucking name, man. I'm gonna go by both. How about that? Fuck. I'm going by Kelsey. Don't call me kills. Another inside the Kelsey household secret we got to get to is why were you trying so hard to communicate with aliens? I had, you know, the internet was such a great thing, because suddenly I could read stuff about anything and everything. And I come across a story about setting search for extraterrestrial intelligence intelligence. Yes. And they were intelligence. They were basically they with those telescopes. You saw the movie content, right? No, we're Johnny or well, the arrays is the the audio telescope or dishes trying to hear stuff going on out in outer space. So these guys saw a movie and decided to do just that? No, no, they were doing this before the movie. Okay, I got you. Okay. They've been doing this a long time. All they're doing is listening. And there's a lot of noise coming from space. That most of it is, you know, there are a lot of white noise, a lot of stuff that is just random shit. Was being resisted. What was it thinking about the big thing, right? You're I don't know. I should I think they say that. Whatever. How they and Gia said he would would get would get people that would donate their computer time when they were using the computer, because they might have, you know, a thousand computers hooked up in their network and I signed on to a network and with the bed. Sure. And overnight, they would be using the computing power of a boatload of network computers to analyze the noise coming from space. And it was, this is just all math calculations is what it was. And what they were looking for. So every night, only during the night, they were recording sounds. For their sounds, no, they're recording sounds all alone. But to take that recording, every time I went into that room at night, it was recording the sounds coming out of that room. No, no, no, no, they were recording sounds from space. What they were doing every night, you were hearing those sounds as I was a teenager. Dad, Dad, did they ever call you and say, Hey, we're done using your computer for data, because all we're getting from your computer is fucking virus after virus. This is it is getting it's screwing up our database and they, what was actually shot because computers got so, computers got so powerful, so quick. They heard too many aliens. They could, they didn't need my computing powder to analyze these math, the math coming out of these sounds. Gotcha. So what was the plan if you heard like somebody's like, Hey, I'm an alien. Did you call saidy? Like, yo, what the fuck was that? Did you hear that? What was that? Got to know, did they have a log that like told you exactly what they thought it was? There would be there's nothing that I ever heard and I never questioned anybody, but they were always, you know, every morning or every every third or fourth morning, you would get an email that would tell you, Well, here's what your computer did the last couple nights worked on this sound coming from who's that what's it then. Yeah, read and find anybody. One was the last time you stole music from the library. This is insane. You and Jason are the exact same person because Jason actually did this with our Xbox when Xbox 360 came out, the original Xbox that we had Jason in, I think it was Nolan Plunkett. Yeah, Nolan went and reprogrammed the Xbox so that you could actually download games onto the hard drive. So Jason took your method of going and taking library CDs, but his method was go to Blockbuster and get all the video games at Blockbuster and download them onto. So we were playing games that we I didn't even know we had, but we were running for. Why are you snitching? 25. What do you think is this on dad? I'm just letting everybody know you two are the same exact fuck person. Well, tell me what dad did wasn't illegal as taxes paid for that for what I did go to Blockbuster. And I was going and getting getting CDs that were albums I had already purchased. All of that there's no chance. There's no chance. Oh, like you're talking about. You're saying at some point in life, you had purchased them at some point or you're saying you purchased that. Yeah. All right. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. All right. Do you think aliens are on earth right now? Are they among us? Are they among us? Do we have alien DNA within us, you think? Yeah, I would think who is smarter between Travis and I? No way. No way. No, you already said it. You've already said it. I'll just say it to the world. I I don't know. Tell them. Tell them. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not going to change your mind because you can't deny. I don't know what you're talking about. What? You see me? Wow. You're talking to two of them. Now we got treason and liars in the Kelsey family. Ladies and gentlemen, my dad told Jason I was way smarter than him and he did. All because he gave me the Lego set. This is true. Listen, I don't need instructions. All right. All right. Just show. Just show me the box. Just show me. Give me a picture. I can write my own directions, man. All right. I got I got no I go before we get to the answer. I got to ask you one question. It's about the Kelsey sports complex that we grew up in our house. What is your favorite house wrecking story like the the store like breaking something in the house? One of us doing something that that you had to then you know, when you sold it had to fix up the house to be able to sell it. What's your favorite one? Oh, I don't know if there's a favorite to so many. There was one of the things I remember the more there are two broken window stories I will never forget. What is Jason's coming into the house with a lacrosse stick? It goes to drive a shot right into the couch. This is out the window. I was working on behind the back shot. Didn't break one broke the window and the store. They're going straight through a boat. You want to score? You got to throw it hard. The other one was was and I still can't believe I fell for this hook line in sinker. I go up into the living I go up into the computer room and the vacuum is in the computer room. And I think I yell for Travis because I know he's done something. And he says to me, he says, I was eating a bag of chips up there. I know I'm not allowed to eat by the computer. So I cleaned it up. Go a week later. I go to plug something to the vacuum computer. There's glass everywhere. I don't think it went to hell. There's like a Michael's office. Glass back here, vacuum over there, open the blinds as a window. Get up there. Yeah. Tells you how good I was cleaning. What happened? This gets better. This gets better. Travis comes up and says, yeah, I broke the window. So how did you break the window? He said, well, I was I was trying to throw the football over the house like you did like this. No, wasn't the football pops? You had just got me. I'm getting there. Oh, this is what I was I told you to. You told me that lie and I'm thinking, you know, not much I can do because he's trying to mimic what I did because, you know, a few weeks earlier, I'd throw in the football over the house. No, you guys in the front yard waiting for that bomb to come down. Are you kidding me? Yeah, it's one of our favorite things to do. Yeah. And don't the football over the house. Okay. I can't get let up trying to throw the football over the house in a window. Now we fast forward. You guys are both at UC. Jason's last year. No, Jason, maybe maybe even being the lead. He's come back to watch Travis's last season. And I'm telling this story about Travis, sort of the football over the house, trying to mimic me. And you guys both started laughing at me. And then Travis says, no, that wasn't that wasn't it either. So what happened? Daily and I were trying to hit golf balls over the house of baseball bats. And I said a fucking line drive rocket right into the computer room window. This brings up a question that maybe you will. But it was you who was more honest between Travis and I who was who was you answer that one right away? You would and that started at a very young age. You would tell the truth no matter what. And you got in trouble for it, but you still tell the truth. Travis would sit on the, Travis would sit on the countertop with the cookie jar open chocolate chip smeared all over his face holding a cookie as I'm cooking cookies. Who was a who was a better student? Who was who was who was I would say this? Jason was Jason was a better student. Okay. I better. Who is more well behaved? Who is more well behaved? You were. But you were. But this is this is this is not true though. Travis just lied about it. He was really good. He is bad. He just lied. Jason was a good school. Was he would do something wrong and then argue with whoever was complaining at school? That's right. Travis will get caught doing something wrong and he oh I'm sorry Miss B. I should never did that. Look at these puppy dog guys. I'm all over TikTok. Don't suspend me. I ain't got nothing else pops. Last question. What was more memorable? Our birth, our draft day, or our first Super Bowl that we both know if fans are but it's not even close. I mean it's a sight. It's a lot going on there. Visually I mean it's burned into your head. Exciting is not necessarily something that you're looking at. Something you're experiencing in the bird and child. And you know that. You know that right now. Yeah I'm trying to be funny. I don't know if it's pops. You got any you got any final thoughts or questions for us. We've been asking you questions the whole time. Do you have any questions for us? No. You don't want to know which parent we love more? No. I forgot to ask mom this. This is how I know mom loved you more is I got sketches and you always got no no Jason. She got those sketches for me too. I just politely asked mom to take those back. Yeah. Travis was always Travis Travis was into fashion at a very young age. Jason didn't give a shit what do you have on as long as you can get out of the house. Are you sure what what what number jersey is that you're out you got on? What number is 18? I wonder who he's rooting for. Sorry. No we can't see the back. We don't play for the name on the back. We play for the name on the front dad. I like that both parents have your name on the front. Your jersey on the front. Hey there he is. We see it this we see the six L. Jason wore 16 college. I weren't number 18. What are your thoughts on bread bowls? Is Waffle House a diner? Waffle House no. It's a Waffle House. I don't I don't know that I'm sure. I knew it. I I I am the beholder. You know it that people don't understand this art my my most vivid memory of you growing up was you sitting in front of the living room. Whatever night it was that Jeopardy came on it might have been every fucking night. I'm not even sure but you would sit there and you would house about I want to say roughly between 15 and 30 Buffalo wings and you would have half gallon of blue cheese and you would do this the entire time. Drenched in sweat locked in on the on the tv and just rapid fire answer answer answer answer and you would be sweating bullets as it's wet and I was like why is sweating and then I grew up and I started eating wigs like that and and I started sweating and I realized it's a Kelsey thing. This are our our our our boneless wings chicken wings. No. What are they? They're they're processed meat to squeeze together at a patty. Oh Jeopardy answer to Jeopardy answer. Yeah you forgot the answer in the form of a question. That is wrong. Ed Kelsey next to you. We got a brown little chicken. What are ground up chicken lizards and guts? They call that Kansas City chicken spadini. Well I got one more question for you big guy. Is it Kelsey bowl is one Kelsey bowl enough or do we need we need to run this thing back next year? What is talking about? Do we need to run this thing back next year? Why is this? Why you ask? Come on how fun was this year? We should do this again. I hate to admit it. I hate to admit it. I hate to admit it. But yeah I thought about that a lot. Chee I hope they can do this again next year. Man it's been a fun ride that's for sure. Pops we love you. You guys love you guys. Love you guys. And to everybody out there we appreciate you guys tuning in. Jason's officially playing next year to see if we can do this again. I can't wait. That about wraps up the very special Kelsey episode edition with both of our parents of new heights. Thank you mom and dad for both stopping by dad. Thank you again. Thank you guys for having us. And thank you Good Morning America for featuring this episode of new heights. How about that just for now? We'll be right back this Thursday with a definitive Kelsey bowl preview episode. Reminder to vote for our fan base name. We'll review the winning vote on that show. Hold on before we do this. What should we ask about what fan base name he likes? That's all right. No, okay. They're gonna put a poll on Twitter that you can vote on Twitter. Oh vote on Twitter. Which one do you like? Now I'm curious. 92%ers. There's four options. 92%ers. Hooligans. Newbies. Hooligans. With your bronies. Hooligans. All right. Hooligans. There's dad's opinion. Watch the subscribe on YouTube to the new heights channel and listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. 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