946. Daniel Jeremiah's 2023 Draft Media Call

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And we'll be joined by draft experts leading up to the big night to help us predict how this draft will unfold, which is hard to do because this year's draft is unpredictable. I'm excited. Yes, listen to Around the NFL on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast, happy drafting. And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. What's up everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ here. And the draft is right around the corner. We are less than a week away from the first round kicking off. And today's episode is a little bit of a tradition here on Move the Sticks. It's just going to be my conference call. Every year we do this before the combine. We do it before the draft. And it's a way for me to kind of answer a bunch of questions from media all over the country, and in some cases outside the country, as it pertains to what we expect to happen on draft night. So it's a good way to touch on a lot of different topics. We've trimmed it down a little bit. But for today's episode, it's going to be my conference call as it relates to the upcoming NFL draft. And a reminder that after this episode is over, be on the lookout. Lots more Move the Sticks content is going to be coming your way. Bucky is going to be doing a tremendous job next week. I'll be joining him for a little bit of that. And he'll take over the rings as well. So without any further ado, here's the conference call ahead of the 2023 NFL draft. Our first question comes from Mark Podish. Hey DJ, thanks again for doing this. Before the bear's traded, the number one pick. You were a proponent of the deal they eventually made, I think going down to nine as opposed to two or four. In the five plus weeks that have ensued, as this quarterback classes shake it out, is that pick any more valuable today? In other words, would Ryan Poles would any better better off waiting? What's your analysis of the timing of it now? Well, look, you never know how that's going to shake out once everybody does all their homework and gets to the finish line on the quarterback evaluations. I would say that it feels like in the teams I've talked to, there's a clear cut number one when that happens. You end up getting a pretty good price. But even that being said, with the haul they got when you include the player that they got and DJ Moore, I don't know that they would have been able to do better. So I think that was smart on his part. He got a deal he liked. He was comfortable with it and he wasn't going to wait to see if there was anything better out there and maybe miss out on that opportunity. So I thought it was smart to go to nine. It made the most sense. I love the return they got. And the crazy thing about it is, I think as we're a week out, I think never would have thought this when they made that trade, but they might be sitting there with more quarterbacks still on the board when they pick at nine and might be faced with another opportunity to continue to add more picks. So I really thought that was the smart move that they made. Great. Thanks, DJ. Yep. Next question comes from Jonathan Alexander. Thanks for doing this. I was curious, your name. If the Texans were to pass on a quarterback at the number two draft, I mean, with the number two pick and take say, Will Anderson. Do you think that'd be a mistake? And do you think there's still be opportunities to get, you know, quality quarterback? Of course they have that 12 pick. So it's one of your thoughts. Yeah, I mean, Will Anderson is my second player, and Bryce Young is my first player. So, you know, we assume Bryce Young goes number one. They'd be taking best player available. So from that standpoint, I couldn't argue, I would just say that there has to be a plan in place to add a quarterback in this draft. You know, they've got a, you know, they've got an opportunity where they're at 12. Maybe they're, you know, maybe that's what they have in mind. I just have a hard time seeing them entering next season, you know, with the Mills Kingdom, Perry combo being it. They have a chance to add to that room right now. And that's why I'd be, I would be shocked if they left the first round with those two picks and one of them was not a quarterback. So hope that kind of answers your question. I love Will Anderson as a player, but there's no guarantees you're going to be picking up here again, and you've got an opportunity to take a quarterback. I really like CJ Stroud. He's my seventh overall player. And to me, if it's me in that situation, I would take CJ Stroud. I think he's better than anybody you have on your roster right now. It's an upgrade. And you know, you can look the next year, all you want, there are absolutely no guarantees. You're going to get one of those guys next year. If I could quickly ask, is there a reason to see this draft has seemed to have fallen out of favor in, in, in some people's eyes recently? Well, I mean, I don't know that he, I don't know that he really has. I think sometimes, you know, everything gets taken with and ran with on the media side of things. And it could just simply be, you know, the Texans are the team we've, we've long anticipated would take him. And that might be that the Texans just don't feel like he's a great fit for them. So who's to say that that doesn't mean that they trade that pick and somebody up comes up and takes them. You know, that, you know, somebody comes up to three and takes them or the Colts take him at four. So I don't know that it's this narrative that he's dropping like a rock as much as it is that it seems to be out there that, you know, they're not in lockstep unanimous in support of CJ Stroud inside that one building in Houston. That's, that's basically, I think what everybody's getting. Thank you. Our next question comes from Mike K. As you mentioned earlier, you didn't have a great feel for where guys were going to go at QB, but it does kind of feel like CJ and Bryce or the conversation at one. Why would you choose one over the other based on what you know about Frank and his offense. Yeah, I think sometimes, you know, we get hung up on, you know, this, this, they all have a type and this is the player that they've had in the past they've had a similar guy he's not had a good job. And my pushback to that was number one. I don't know that he was in the position to choose who their quarterbacks were, and they never had an opportunity to select an ultra ultra talented undersized quarterback. So, you know, the Bryce Youngs don't come around very often where you get somebody that's, you know, that doesn't fit all the specs but is supremely talented. And to me, I just thought he's the, you know, he's got the best tape of anybody in this class. I thought it was clear cut just with everything he does on schedule off schedule, you know, accuracy, poise, you know, ball placement, you know, play making ability, being great in those big clutch moments, games, managing games, all that stuff is off the charts. And if it was like a blind taste test, if you just read the notes on Bryce Young and didn't look at how big he was and you read your notes on Joe Burrow, they would read almost identical. So I think he's that type of a player. I think he's that type of a talent. He just, you're going to take the risk with him, you know what the body type. It is what it is. You're going to, you know, it's not ideal, but the rest of it is really, really good. Next question comes from D Orlando lead better. Yeah, thanks for doing this, Daniel. Hey, the last two times the Falcons that was the 27th time they've been in the top 10 last two times they went with offensive. I'm going back to Bruce Pickens and Audrey Bruce and all that but last two times when with offensive weapons is that a tip that had it maybe going deep in so they take the big lineman that might be there for him at eight. I think it's pretty wide open for them. When you look at the direction they could go. I mean, they did a nice job and free agency kind of locking their own guys in. And so offensive line wise there. They're okay. They can line up and play there. I just look at them on the defensive side of the ball. And when you're 31st and sacks and you're 31st and third down defense. I like the fact they brought in Kaleis Campbell. I like the fact they just brought in Bud Dupree. They've added some good pieces there. But I think that's the best handle is not going to play much longer. They're going to need some more young guys some talented guys to throw in that mix on that defensive front. Grady Jarrett's been awesome. But again, you know, you're getting a little bit older there. So I like the idea of adding some some juice up front. And I always, there's, you know, I think there's two guys that come into play there. When you look at Lucas Van Ness talked about him a bunch with them. And I think that's one of the things that I think is one that will be in the mix. And I also think Nolan Smith from right down the street at Georgia. To me, those two players make a lot of sense for their front. They just get younger, get more athletic, get a little bit more dynamic and see if they can't improve on some of these God awful numbers against the pass and on third down. I think that's a good thing. Thanks. DJ for doing this. Question is about the Cardinals and all the trade down possibilities that might be presented. You know, we don't know what Houston's going to do. Obviously. Well, I would think it's a no brainer that they want to do it. You know, the question is whether or not there's the market for it. So I think that, you know, it's got to be a two way street. I think they would love to get out. Yeah, I don't want to be overly harsh, but I, in my opinion, I think they have the worst roster in the league right now. I think it makes a lot of sense for them to try and get as many assets as possible this year and next year, just accumulate as many picks as you possibly can. So that makes all the sense in the world for them. It just comes to whether or not there's a market. And I would say the same thing about the Cardinals that I said about the Bears. If they have an opportunity to move back, don't get hung up on, you know, I can only go back, you know, one spot or two spots or three spots. I don't want to be out of range of a particular player. You are a lot more than a particular player away from being a good team. So get back as far as you can get as much as you can. And again, I would be adding pieces in next year's draft as well as this year's draft if you could. Thanks, man. Next question comes from Jim Wyatt. Daniel, appreciate your time. I listened to the Peter Schrager podcast. You had the Titans going with Jackson Smith and Jigbo. You've stuck with that. What would you think about that tick? And what do you think they're going to be faced with sitting there at 11 if they don't move up? Yeah, good to hear you, man. Look, I just look at this offense and just say you've got to get some more firepower. When you're 30th and passing yards and I like trailing Berg, I think he's going to be a good player. I think they need more to complement him and support him. So that's why trailing Berg's thought would be a good fit there. I think he complements him quite well. And you've also got a couple guys now that are really good with the ball in their hands after the catch. He kind of fits that physical identity. The coach, Rabel's always appreciated there. So that's why I was kind of leaning in that direction with their pick. If you're looking at other areas, they could end up going. You know, I think they'll be staring at some tackles. I mean, Petit Freer is a third round pick. So it's not like they have a ton invested there. But I think you'd be in a spot there where you could very well have your pick of any of the offensive lineman. I think that's possible. So I wouldn't totally rule that out either. But when you just look at it overall, they've got to leave this draft with a little more juice, a little more firepower offensively. Next question comes from Dan Weederer. Hey, DJ, I had a couple receivers in day two, maybe early day three. I wanted to ask you about Josh Downs in North Carolina. Curious what you think his bit is at the next level. And then Princeton, I'll see if I can pronounce it right. Andre, yes, she was. I'm curious what you think of him. First of all, you nailed the pronunciation there. So nicely done on that. Josh Downs, a good player in talking to teams around the league. I think he's been a coaching favorite. So you kind of go through these different cycles of the process where you have personnel department kind of takes the ball and runs with it early, you know, throughout the fall. And then the coaches jump into the process in the spring and just talking to teams. It feels like this has been a coaching favorite who's kind of helped. It kind of a climb a little bit as we've gone through the process here as the coaches have gotten involved. He's not big. He's, you know, he's a little bit under five, nine. He's quicker than fast, not super, super explosive. But when I watched him, you know, you see him get in and it breaks these little whip routes. He's so quick. He kind of reminded me of, you know, going back in the old school, a little bit to Randall L. If somebody who's just a really, really good athlete who I think is going to be a nice slot receiver. So I think he's going to go in the second round. I really do at some point in time in that mix. And then I would think you got to probably go down a couple rounds. I think you'll see if it's probably goes in that fourth round range. He's got some size at six, three, he's 205 pounds. He ran well in the low four fours. Obviously he's got, you know, a tremendous track background. So he can really run. He's a, he's a strider. He gains a lot of ground as he goes. He's got a second gear when the ball goes up in the air. You know, I didn't think he was a tremendous run after catch guy with, with make miss and in elusiveness, but a true over the top receiver in, in a draft with so many small guys. He's one of the rare guys that's, you know, six, three and 200 plus. So that'll help him. But I think he's probably in that fourth round range. Maybe he's surprised us and sneaks into the third round. But I think that's where he comes off the board. Great stuff. Thank you. Our next question comes from Chase. Good bread. Good to see you. Good to see you buddy. Looks like a beautiful day out there. Yeah, the weather's too good not to be outside. What is the likelihood or unlikelihood that Bryce Young and Will Anderson could be to go off the board one, two, it's only happened at the same school has done that three times in the history of the draft. The last time was 2000. So obviously it would be pretty significant historically. Well, you know, first of all, before I answer that question, I'm going to ask you one real quick chase. How long after that were to happen before Alabama's football would tweet out the money that both those players are going to make in the NFL and the you just tossed out there. About half a second. Yeah, that's what I figured. I think it's a legit possibility, more so this week than last week. You know, the thing with CJ stradd the Texans, I didn't buy it early on with them not taking him. I thought, Okay, you know, I think Bryce will go one. I think stradd will end up going to. It just makes, you know, it makes a lot of sense. I think those were clearly the top two quarterbacks in my opinion. And the Texans had the need. And then all of a sudden the whispers started. You know, my buddy Lance Zirline is there in Houston. He's plugged in and he was one of the first, if not the first to say, Hey, hold up. I, they might go defense here. They might not go quarterback. And then those were kind of the whispers. And now I think that whispers kind of turned into a roar. There's a lot of people around the league that believe that's that's the case that they aren't going to take the quarterback. So then it comes down to, you know, Will Anderson versus Tyree Wilson being the choice. I like Will Anderson over over Tyree. I think they're both good players. But, you know, if they were to go defense there, I think at the end of the day that, you know, Will Anderson's body of work would would be enough to get him over the hump and then that's, and that scenario. There you go. Alabama one and two. Thanks, DJ. Next question comes from Jory Epstein. Thanks for doing this DJ kind of a niche question later around. But how much do you think that Brock Purdy has changed the perception of Mr relevance more broadly? How would you describe the difference in teams draft strategy in the seventh round versus earlier rounds. Thanks. Oh, that's a great question. I think there's always been two different camps when it comes to seventh round picks to late round picks. There's, there's. Okay, we want guys with, you know, kind of established resumes who have been punished through the process for not being as big or fast, you know, as they need to be they don't fit all the specs, but they're good football players. High, you know, we feel like high floor and maybe they've been devalued to the process because of that. And then there's others that are just trait hunting at that point in time saying, I don't care what level they played at. I don't care how much playing time they got. We're going to just get trying to get the biggest fastest guys we can and we'll try and develop them with our system. So I think there's always been those two schools of thought in the seventh round with Brock Purdy. I think it's not only impacting what, you know, what could happen late in the draft. You know, in terms of maybe, okay, this guy's played a lot of football. He's a good player. Maybe he's not the wow, you know, the wow traits. But maybe that helps a player like that. I also think it's going to impact, you know, where that, that next tier of quarterbacks comes off the board. So in other words, if you're looking at a quarterback and you're looking at the third round group, and you start getting into like the Jaren halls and the Jake Hainers, the Tanner McKee's, you know, the DTR from UCLA. And the traits that made Purdy a hit. I think teams are going to place a lot more premium on the traits that he possessed in terms of, you know, accuracy, intelligence, you know, decision making, and more than anything else. I think the fact he's played a lot of football. Next question comes from Zach Kiefer. DJ, thanks for doing this. Let's talk Colts for a minute, knowing what you know about Chris Ballard and this team's Rocky Road the last few years at quarterback. Levis or Richardson, or is this CJ Strout Smoke real and maybe they maybe they get a chance at him. Well, again, I guess we'll find out on Thursday night about the Stroud stuff with Houston, whether or not that's real or not. So we'll have to wait on that. But, you know, there's a lot of people in the league that you talk to with, you know, again, GM's and head coaches that just feel like will Levis is a good fit there with them that, you know, the stuff that that will Levis can do athletically is intriguing with what, you know, you have a coach and Shane Steichen who's been able to, you know, work with a Jalen Hertz and then even Herbert his ability to move around a little bit. You know, he kind of fits that that mold and again, I'm always leery of marrying guys to what they've coached in the past. I think there's more to it than that. But I think he's with him and Richardson. If we just take those two, I think will Levis is further along in his journey and his development. He might not have as much upside as Richardson, but I think, you know, tomorrow he's going to be ahead of Anthony Richardson. Whereas Anthony Richardson, I think has a little more distance to travel, but with a way bigger upside. And with this Kultraster where it is right now, there's some pretty good veteran pieces in place. I think there's some expectation there that you want this guy to be up and running sooner than later. So if I was going to give you my guess, I would say at this point in time it would be, you know, the the Stroud scenario. The Stroud scenario of Stroud got there. I think I would, I would lean towards Stroud and then I would say Levis and then I would say Richardson would be my guess with the Kultr but as with all of us with this draft. I mean, it's nothing but an educated guess. Next question comes from Ryan Dunleavy. Hey, Daniel. Thanks for doing this. No problem. I wanted to ask if the Giants goal was to go receiver corner or corner receiver to get the two positions they need out of the first two rounds. What shapes up better in the second round. If that makes sense, like where is there more depth in the second round that you would have to, like is it make more sense to go receiver corner or corner receiver if you're trying to match up the two in the first two rounds. Well, it's, I think that's a smart way to look at it. And I think that's what goes on in draft rooms and that's maybe not what everybody understands is that you don't make that one individual pick in a vacuum. You're kind of looking at your collective hall in terms of how you negotiate your strategy here. And this might be the first time that I can remember in a long time that I would advocate taking the wide receiver first because I actually like the group of corners in the second round that you'd be staring at more than I like the receivers you'd be staring at. When you get in the second round at the corners, you know, we'll see what happens with a manual Forbes. I think he's got a real shot to go in the first round, even though he's, you know, 170 pounds currently. But with him, Ringo's intriguing from Georgia, Tyreak Stevenson from Miami. Riley Moss, I really like him. A lot of teams like him from Iowa, Julius Brents, Kansas State. You know, there's a long list. I mean, there's some teams that are, that are Cam Smith teams, others aren't quite as high, but there is a, there is a lot of depth of this corner position. Whereas the wide receiver position, I feel like it's that, that kind of clump up there at the top. There's a handful of guys. And ideally, I think you'd want to leave with one of those guys already in the fold. I think he's got a lot of fun. I think he's got a lot of fun. I think he's got a lot of fun. I think he's got a lot of fun. I think he's got a lot of fun. I think he's got a lot of fun. I think he's got a lot of fun. 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I don't mean to suggest an honor to figure out the draft in any way. They've certainly had their share of whiffs like any other team. But as you know, after the second round during the lunch in the area, they've had like kiddo Warner, Greenlaw, Upanga, DJ Jones, Purdy. I don't know. Do you have any thoughts of, you know, why they've been able to hit on an inordinate amount of kind of elite type players in later rounds as there's something about what you know about their strategy or approach that would at least offer some some level of explanation. Well, you know, it's interesting when you when you list all those names off in a row. To me, I think there's some there's some continuity there with you're talking about guys that are incredibly football smart. And they're they're incredibly passionate. They were leaders at the places that they played. In other words, I'm getting to is I think they've they've they've figured out the makeup part of this whole thing. They've they've they've found it. I mean, who Funga, they raved about him at USC. He walked into that program. He was a leader. He was incredibly productive. He just didn't run fast. So they were able to see past some of that stuff and see guys that are really, really smart, tough and instinctive football players and plug them in. Obviously, you get some more athleticism with some of the other guys you mentioned, but all those guys off the field like work ethic and tangibles like elite elite elite elite elite. So sometimes this thing is not just evaluating these guys as players. It's evaluating them as people and competitors and all that. And I got to believe it helps having John there, you know, as somebody who's kind of epitomizes what you want in a football player. He knows what it looks like. So with him and Adam Peters, who I think is good as anybody in the league and evaluating players, they've got a great personnel department and Kyle has a really good idea of what he wants at every position. So when you get a coaching staff that gives you a good menu and you get guys that know how to go find it, you get a lot of success. Thanks very much. Next question comes from Charles Walker. Yeah, how you doing? Just a question about the Ravens. Obviously they have the uncertainty with Lamar. Do you think that could lead them to make some sort of move for a quarterback in this draft, whether it would be a big splash for a guy like Richardson or, you know, get a guy further down that maybe turns into a developmental guy for them. I would say, to me, it looks more like, and this is my opinion here, but to me it looks like more, you get another receiver kind of, you know, on board without necessarily utilizing a lot of your resources or, you know, first round pick or trading up for a guy. It feels like to me, just let's put another guy in the room. We have time, you know, at least we know we've got this next year, if you're going year by year with Lamar Jackson, he's going to be your guy, you know that going into this next season. So if you're looking at somebody you can bring into your room and whether that, you know, as Dorian Thompson Robinson we've talked about from UCLA who can run all the stuff that you currently run, very athletic, strong arm. He's a little bit older as a 25 year old, but that would be kind of an intriguing mid round pick. Sharon Hall from BYU can do a lot of those things really athletic and move around Stetson Bennett as well. I mean, to me it feels like maybe one of those three guys. And then, you know, you have a decision to make if somehow, you know, Richardson were to fall all the way down into your lap, then now we've got now we have a conversation to make, but I don't get the sense I don't feel like this is a big bold move for them to go up and get one. Gotcha, thanks. Yep. Next question comes from Joey Kaufman. You know, just wondering about Jack and Smith and Jigba at Ohio State, he was almost exclusively playing and line up in the slot. Really all of his snaps. Pretty much came there. How does it affect the way he's viewed at the NFL level? Does it help her? Does it help him that he showed that Billy played in slot or is it kind of like hurt him as well that he was maybe having been able to really evaluate him playing outside as much. Yeah, I mean, I also want to mention it's totally different than the Justin Jefferson thing. I know there was some conversation when he was coming out that, you know, he's just, you know, he's going to be a slot, he's a slot there LSU. He had spent a lot more time outside previously. So with Jefferson, I didn't, I personally didn't have any of those concerns. I think with Jackson, I think he can play outside, but I still think he's much better suited and situated to play inside where, you know, he's kind of quicker than fast play style works better in the slot. You know, I am, you know, is 21 tape is excellent, but I don't get totally on board with those, you know, saying, well, if you look at his numbers, they were better than the other two guys in Wilson and Olave so that therefore, you know, he's a better player than those guys. Those guys had a much more difficult assignment. Those guys were on the outside. Those guys drew coverage. They, they jump off the screen with their explosiveness. Jackson is a really good player. I think he's going to be a high volume slot receiver, but there wasn't that time when I was watching him where I kind of like almost fell out of my chair like he did with those other two guys with how dynamic and how explosive and how electric they are. So what I'm getting at is I think those guys made his life a lot easier on the inside and, you know, he's a, he's a, he's a wonderful slot receiver. I don't think, you know, he gets, and I don't think it's totally dinged by team saying he's an outside guy you just draft him no and this is how we're going to use him. And he's going to get a chance to catch close to 100 balls or around there in your offense and there's nothing wrong with that. Thank you. Next question comes from Daniel or Fusi. I appreciate you doing this. The dolphins don't have around one pick and they really don't have a lot of picks and offers for, but on day two at 51 and 84. Can they find a difference maker, maybe not a plug in starter but somebody can contribute in year one as a rookie. I think absolutely I think if you just look at the tight end position. I think you get a darn good player, you know, so where they're picking in the second round picking 51. I think you could get a tight end that in some years might have been a first round pick. So, you know, Sam LaPorter from Iowa I love. I think he's got a good chance of being there. I think there's a very good chance that the top, you know, the top guys are gone concades gone Mayors gone, you know, Darnell Washington is, is a potentially there but I think he's more than likely gone. Even if Musgrave's gone from Oregon State. If you're picking between Sam LaPorter Tucker craft from South Dakota State or scoon maker from Michigan. I think all those guys are plug and play. I think they're impactful right away. So I think absolutely they can find somebody there that can come in and really help their ball club. So that would be the position if you're looking for immediate impact. That would be the spot I'd be looking. Thank you. Next question comes from James Boyd. Hey DJ thanks again for doing this and sharing your time. The question I have was regards to the Colts kind of piggybacking off what my buddy Zach Kiefer eggs but if the Texans go will look and will Anderson I'm sorry at two. And the first two guys are Bryce Young and will Anderson. Do you think that there is a big enough gap between CJ shroud and Anthony Richmond will love us for the Colts to say hey we probably should move up to number three if we can to go get the Ohio State quarterback. I mean from from my tape study and the homework I've done watching these guys I think there is a gap between CJ shroud and then that next group which with Richardson and Levis so you know again Chris Ballard has got access to a lot more information than I do he's got a chance to really visit these guys and really figure out how they fit them and their coaching staff. You know from my job and my role what I do watching these guys on tape and studying them. I thought there was a you know there was a gap between shroud and next so if I'm in an organization where we've been on the quarterback carousel the veteran carousel and this is the draft we've identified as the one where we're going to try and take our swing. I want to I want to guarantee that I get the guy that I really really like so yeah for me it would be worth it to move up a spot and give up whatever you have to give up I don't think it would be too costly. Just to just to guarantee you don't get somebody leaping over the top of you to get your guy but you know again I hear a lot of stuff with Levis in them and maybe that's their guy maybe they're comfortable and that's maybe that's why they've been so content that they're comfortable with a couple different options. Next question comes from Chris Franklin. Hey Daniel how you doing man thanks for doing this. Peter Skaroski has been mentioned as a potential place for the Eagles to pick on that 10 but in case he goes or they say they go with defense who would be a Jeff Stoutland type of guy they could pick in the second or third rounds and fill the position of right guard. Yeah there's some good options there's some intriguing players to me I would you know I could go in a couple different areas for Stout but I would say Matthew Bergeron from Syracuse is one I mean he's big I'm going to go ahead and take a look at this one. He's going to be a head of the game in terms of the past protection. He can move. He's a really really good player. So that would be one I would keep an eye on as somebody in the second round that could kick in. I also you know if we're looking for surprise first rounders I wouldn't be shocked if he was one of those guys that snuck in to the bottom of the first round so he's going to be a little bit of a good one. I'm going to be a little bit of a good one. I think Steve Iveela will be one of the first rounds so he's an interesting player. Another guy you could say to fit Stout you know it would be I'm always looking for bigger guys that kind of beat people up a little bit. I think Steve Iveela will be gone from TCU but he would be one that would make some sense there. And then I would say the last one give you one more bonus one. Maybe a guy like City South from Michigan, not in the second round but maybe a little bit later. A Stoutland type guys almost 6'5", 323 pounds. He's got some length. He can move. He's got some torque. He's got some power. Those seem to be the kind of traits that Stout has appreciated over the years. Next question comes from Taryn Wack. Hi there. Mine is more of a big picture. When you look at a draft and back on recent years how would you define whether a draft D was a success and based on that criteria what kind of grade would you give the Saints? Ooh that's a good question. I always look back at it and try and say okay a great draft to me a good draft like the goal should be to get three starters. If you can get three starters out of your draft to me you feel pretty good about your haul. If you get four it's an unbelievable draft. And one thing the Saints have been able to do is they've been able to on occasion just knock it completely out of the park. So you know you go back and look what they were able to do when was it 2017. You know when you get Lattimore, Ramchek, Marcus Williams, Camara, Hendrickson like that's an all time excellent draft. So they've been able to have drafts like that one where they've knocked it out of the park. And then over the last few years they've they've gotten solid players but they haven't been able to maybe get as many difference makers until last year with with what you saw from a la vay. And you know what you're hoping Trevor painting is going to be but that that 2017 draft is definitely the gold standard there in that organization. Next question comes from Jeff Fettiton DJ thanks so much for doing this. I had a question about at Tommy wall, I don't borrow. We all saw what he did during the combine what does this film look like and where do you see him going in the draft. Yeah he's a he's a fascinating player. You know coming out of the fall. You know I would say teams weren't you know sky high on him. And they all knew he was going to test like crazy. So you had people saying okay well I you know I think he's more of a third fourth round player but wait do you see him test he's going to test like crazy. And then you talked to some of those same people after he works out and puts on a show and they go oh man he's unbelievable I mean I think he's going to go in the second round. And I said wait a second you what's changed you didn't necessarily love him on the tape you knew he was going to blow it out. He blows it out and now you're saying that he's moving up. So he's been a fascinating case study from that standpoint but I like him. For me I think you know he's for me personally he's going to be in my late second round range as a player. But you know the athleticism is off the charts and the testing side of things I think on the field. You know he showed you some of that inside outside versatility knows how to use his long arms to set the edge. I didn't think he was a you know a real polished pass rusher. But you know I think when you have the combination of of explosiveness and length that he has he's an intriguing guy. I just you know I know some buzz about him going in the first round that would be a little, a little early for me. That's great. Thanks so much. Yep. Next question comes from McKenna keel. How are you? I'm going to kill a Pac-12 network. Always. Every year I hope that you have some post draft vacation plans in the work. I just wanted to get your hi. Hey schedule release show come on there's no there's no breakout for the draft. How can I forget. There's truly no off season you guys are amazing though and like everyone that said thanks for doing that. I know we're running tight on time but just quickly wanted to get your high level thoughts on a couple of the top Pac-12 prospects. I'm concade and collect Phillips on a Utah Jordan out of the and out of the U.S. the maybe sharp and a and a Christian. All is out of Oregon. Sure. I'll start with concade. I've been. I don't know if I'm the captain of the fan club but I know I'm in the running when my finalist comes out he into the process that'll come out Monday. He ended the process is my ninth overall player. I think he's a special special talent. You know he had the back so he couldn't work out in the spring. I think if he if he had been able to work out I think he would have cemented himself as a top 15 pick. He's he's a stud. He is awesome. Off the line he's awesome at the top of his routes he can separate he's got great hands. He's competitive after the catch he can make you miss. He's not that fine teams are comfortable with him medically so I don't envision him dropping for that reason at all. But I think he's an elite player one of the best in the draft. Clark Phillips his teammate things going to be a nickel he's undersized but he's got incredible ball production and toughness and quickness. I think he would struggle a little bit holding up outside consistently. But he's somebody I think you're probably going to see him in that third round range is when he starts coming into the conversation. But a really really good nickel and the process in a really deep class I think he's my 11th or 12th guy so you'll be interested to see between him and Jartavis Martin from Illinois who goes off the board first two really good nickels. Addison into the process as he started it for me as my top receiver. I wish he was heavier the I don't love the 173 pound aspect but this guy made more big plays down the field in 21 than anybody in the country. So I know he can make big plays he can get over the top. He's a you know he's he's a talented guy after the catch. He's not going to be able to break many tackles you know not real physical but he can make you miss he can run away from you. I think he plays you know he plays fast so smooth fast fluid guy. I've dropped him down a little bit from where I initially had him overall he ended the process in my 15th player. I think he's somebody that's going to go off the board. Yeah he might be the second one to go there seems to be more support for Smith and Jigba around the league as a top receiver with more teams somehow have Addison. But I would say more than likely that Smith and Jigba is the first one and he's the second one. Then you go to Charbonnet. Charbonnet to me is a mid to late second round maybe gets into the third round running back. You know some teams were worried that he runs a little bit too high but I think he can drop levels on contact he's real physical he's tough. Showed last year what he could do catching the ball. He stays squared as a nice job and pass protection. I think he's one of the you know he's one of these guys that can finish a game as well as he can start it he can be a four minute back and put a game away so I'm high on him he's my third running back in this draft class. And lastly Gonzalez he's in the mix I would say it's pretty much a coin flip to see who goes first at the position between him and Witherspoon from Illinois. With Witherspoon you get a little bit more play making a little bit more aggressive a little bit more urgent. Whereas with with Gonzalez you obviously get the size and the speed that's pretty elite and he's a real fluid smooth athlete so I think the there's a high likelihood that both those corners come off the board and the top 10 picks so. It's a good year for the pack 12 when you've got a chance to have you know for me you got my top tight end. It's my top wide receiver in my number two corner my number three running back that's a pretty good that's a pretty good year. Awesome thank you DJ we appreciate you. No problem. Next question comes from Jonas Schafer. Hey DJ thank you for doing this as a follow up to what was asked about Lamar earlier you know it seems like there's optimism around him being back in Baltimore for this season but if there were uncertainty about you know whether you've been able to get a little bit more about you know whether you kind of bring him back for 2024. Is there a way that you would approach a draft like this to maybe you know have that kind of insurance planner to put yourself in a better spot to be agile for that next draft and obviously if you trade Lamar you get a lot of draft capital that way but is there kind of a way to split the difference if you're unsure about what might next to your hold for you in that quarterback position. I think there's you know I think it's just good business and being smart to bring in you know another option you know it's just a matter of where you want to do it I don't think it makes as much sense to do it early I don't think you need to go like that's almost I don't want to say a panic pick. But if you're taking a quarterback or you're trading up for a quarterback. You're all but kicking Lamar Jackson out the door I think to me there's a way to kind of have your cake and eat it too where you identify one of these guys in the third fourth round that's got some ability that's got some talent somebody you want to work with. So it gives you another guy in the quarterback room, but that doesn't do anything to to hurt you in your negotiations with Lamar to try and do what you know it's best for everybody and that would be getting a long term deal done so. I think that allows you to kind of serve both those serve both those goals so that that to me. You know just from the outside looking in to me that is the it's a good compromise that I think it keeps from upsetting Lamar Jackson doesn't mess with your negotiations, but also gives you another guy to take a look at in your building. Yeah, just to just to follow up quickly on that do you think it would make more sense. You know in that case to not take a quarterback and like the third or fourth round. This year maybe trade into next year's draft so you have that capital available if you need to make a deal for them move up. Yeah I mean I just think you have to understand what that with that entails is that you know you're going to have a chance to maybe get a quarterback next year, but there's no guarantees of you know of that taking place if you take one now in the third round at least you get one in the building. Versus you know the danger with next year when we have a couple high profile guys and I think it's actually a chance to be a pretty deep draft quarterback next year but you know the two guys that everybody's kind of pointed to and everybody's talking about. And the whole thought process of I have a bunch of picks next year and I can trade up and get one of those two guys well when you get special quarterbacks. Nobody's trading out of those spots. So you can have all the first round picks you want if you're not picking one or two you're not going to sniff either one of those guys. So that to me is a little bit of a danger of trying to put all your eggs in that basket. Next question comes from Nolan Bianchi. Hey Daniel thanks for doing this. As we enter the home stretch here I'm just wondering is there a percent chance you could put on the likelihood of more more than two cubies going in the top five. And if it's only the two and and strout and young. How does that alter the value of the Lions pick at six is there a best case scenario for how the board can fall in front of them. Well I think the best case scenario for the Lions is the is the opposite I think if I'm the Lions I want all four of those quarterbacks to go you know if that happens you're going to get one of the premier players in the draft. You know at one of these defensive players specifically so that's what I'd be rooting for if I was Brad Holmes there in Detroit but you know it's tough it's hard at this point in time to put any type of a percentage on it without knowing. You know what the heck Houston is going to do so you know I have no idea there's a lot of smoke out there about them not taking one if they don't take one. And all of a sudden Arizona can't get out then we're looking at you know two quarterbacks going in the top four potentially the top five. And that means more than likely that one of those quarterbacks is going to get down the board even further to you're talking about nine or ten. At that point in time I think we start seeing some action take place so that to me if they're they're not good enough to go up there in the top five. They get to 10 now you bring in a whole new wave of teams that could be in the quarterback market and can trade up and we've seen that in years past we saw it in. Gosh what was it the you know the Mahomes draft with with him and Watson those you know 10 12 that area. You know there seems to be kind of that new sweet spot of quarterbacks you saw Justin Fields go in that range so Mac Jones going that range so. I think a lot of times we assume these quarterbacks are all going to roll and they're all going to go off the board in the top five but there's a lot of history over the last handful of years where that that you know nine 10 to 15 range has been a spot where you can see teams go get one. Next question comes from Eric Smith. Hey DJ appreciate your time with the charter that 21. What's the ideal scenario and what they trade down still in the first round. But don't get a player they like it you know late 20th early 30s. Yeah I mean I think that's a real possibility and I think as you're getting ready to pay Justin. You know having having more cheap starters is going to be is going to be the way to go and I think look no further than the chiefs and what they were able to do. You know the Tyreke trade and playing so many rookies and getting so many cheap starters through the draft so I think trading down makes a lot of sense. If they were to trade down now you start looking at you know you could you know edge rushes and receivers I think there's value down there at the bottom of the first round. You know we'll see where some of these edge rushes go like Miles Murphy. You know Will McDonald be another one I think is interesting Felix and a DK you zama from Kansas state like. I think you get one of those guys maybe BJ O. Jalari would be another one you could consider. But I think there's a good group of veg rushes you could be picking from if you traded even to the top of the second round if you were to trade all the way out. I think there's some guys that would fit and then you know receiver wise if you're looking for guys that can. You know really stretch the field you know vertically I think there's a chance you you see one of those top wide receivers one of that top five or six guys. You know Z flowers be in that mix at that point in time I think Addison will be gone Smith and jig will be gone. There seems to be some late pushing buzz around the league for Quentin Johnston who's getting a lot of attention so I think he's probably gone but when you're looking at Jalen Hyatt from Tennessee. 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To me, that's a pretty good spot to be in. When I look at some of their guys, Elijah Cansey, I'm curious to see where he ends up going. I'm curious to see where he ends up going. I'm curious to see where he ends up going. On my final list, he ended up being my 26th overall player. Ed Oliver was my comparison for him who went much higher than that. But somebody, obviously the twitch, the quickness, the ability to play on the other side of the line scrimmage, I do think he needs to win early. It doesn't have real long arms. But I think he's a 25 to 35 type. I think that's probably where he ends up going off the board. Somewhere in the late portion of the first round, maybe into the second round. I'm in a condo. The running back has got big time juice. He wasn't a huge asset in the passing game, but I think there's more there. He's real slippery, makes you miss. He's got good vision, and he's really, really explosive. So I thought he did a nice job as a route runner. Just didn't give as many opportunities there. Serviciate Dennis, not only one of the all-time names in this draft, but a really good player who, when you talk to the guys there, they rave about how smart he is. He rushed the pass or he does a lot of different things. He's going to have to play primarily off the ball at the next level. But man, his off the ball timing is a blitzer, and his ability to kind of just slither through blocks and make plays as impressive. So he's intriguing, I would say. You're talking about him in the fourth round range, somewhere around there. So it's a good group. Brandon Hill, the safety is intriguing as well. Somebody in a safety class. It's not that great. He's a great player. He's my seventh safety. So I think he'll factor in somewhere on day three. Thank you so much. Sure. Next question comes from Charlie Potter. Yeah, hey, Daniel. You talked about having Bryce and Will talk to players. You have two other guys from Alabama and your top 31, just beyond those possible day one picks. Who's your next best Alabama player, maybe a couple of guys, and then stand out to you? Yeah, so to me, it's Bryce. It's Will, and then Gibbs and Branch would be the next two. And I think in a draft like this, we could talk about running backs and kind of go all in on that. And whether you take them, whether you don't take them, there's not 31 players better than Jameer Gibbs in this draft. And I think teams at the bottom of the first round give him serious consideration. Branch, I wish he ran a little faster than he did, but the versatility, I think he's the best nickel in the draft. You can play him all over though. So I think he's going to go mid to late one to early two in that range, but he'd be the next one for me. And then after that, it would be Jordan Battle. So he's Jordan Battle is my third safety. I love the anticipation. I love his eyes. I wish he had a little bit more twitch, but he's somebody that I think, especially immediately, he's going to get on the field. He's going to be really good on special teams as well, something he did well there. So those would be my next guys in order. And then you've got Tyler Steem and Emily Heor would be probably next as the offensive lineman. Same great I also have on Henry Toto. So those guys, I think, are all going to go in the third round range would be my guess for those three. Next question comes from Alexander Wilson. Hey, Daniel. Coming into the season last year, it seemed like Keshan Booty was going to maybe be a first round pick. And obviously his stock seems to have plummeted. How did we get to this point with him? And what do you make of him as a prospect at this point? Yeah, I mean, it was somebody that when he was younger, you paid attention to him and he kind of jumped off the tape a little bit and got you excited. I didn't really see that, you know, him take that next step going forward. So, you know, there are some teams that still really like him and they're holding on to what they saw earlier. But I didn't think he was just real crisp as a route runner. You know, I think he's a smooth athlete. He ran fast enough at four or five flat, but I thought he just was, you know, drifted a little bit on rounds. I didn't think he was real clean or crisp. And I didn't think he was super physical at the catch point. So, you know, a lot of times in the NFL, the space disappears. You got to have you got to be strong, you know, in the midst of some other bodies. And I thought at times he just wasn't real physical at the catch point. So that's that was that was my personal hang up. But in terms of where he goes, we see this every year with guys. That have maybe not been as good later in their careers, that some teams, you know, they're going to believe in what they saw earlier and stick to that. And that's the type of team he's going to need in this draft to bring him in. So I think he's probably in that. If you're going to ask me right now, it's like a fourth round type pick. But the beauties in the eye of the beholder. And if you get a team that's a little more attached to what he showed earlier in his career, maybe goes a little bit higher. As a follow up to that, are there any other LSU guys that are sort of rising for you or just what do you make the group from them this season? Yeah. So, you know, Ozilari seems to be getting a little bit of buzz here late. He's my 35th overall player. So I mean, he's a good player. Jay Ward is intriguing. Again, when you look at this safety class, he's somebody that, you know, could play some corner, could play some nickel, you know, play safety. He didn't run super fast, but I think he's fast enough. And he's intriguing guy as a mid round pick. So those would be the guys that jump out to me. You know, you look at Roy, Jacqueline Roy might be pronouncing his first name wrong. But he's a good player. He's down the line a little bit for me as a defensive tackle. But somebody who's, you know, he's got the size you're looking for for sure. I think he's more of a day three guy. Next question comes from Tom Krasovich. Hello, Daniel. I'm still marveling at what the Chiefs did last year. I think they got like three defensive backs and edge rusher and running back who all helped them win a Super Bowl as a rookie. This time of year ago after their draft, did you think that was a potential outcome and how did they do it? And who could do something like that this year where most of us don't even know who the guys are, they draft, but then we turn around and it's a heck of a class just one year later. Yeah, I mean, I felt pretty great about their draft last year. Now, if you're giving me truth serum, I would not have predicted Isaiah Pacheco would have the role that he had on a Super Bowl winning team as a rookie. So that was the one exception. I thought he was a good player, but I did not know he would do that and turn into the unbelievable bargain there in the seventh round. But Trent McDuffie, I was a big fan of Carloff, I was a big fan of Sky Moore. I was a big fan of, you know, Brian Cook. I liked Leo Chanel. I mean, you go all the way down the list. Like they had a lot of resources. So when you have what? One, two, three, four picks in the top 62. That's a good haul and Brett Veach did a wonderful job of bringing guys in that were smart, athletic and coachable. And I give their staff credit because sometimes it's not just your, you know, your scouting staff being able to identify talent. That your coaching staff being able to develop that talent. And I think the Chiefs coaching staff is one of the best teaching staffs in the NFL. And that was evident by the way they're able to get these young guys on the field early and get them up and running and they just got better and better as a year went along. So I think they've kind of, they've laid out the blueprint for teams that have paid their quarterback. This is how you have to do it. You know, you've got to go out there, get extra picks. You're not going to be able to pay everybody, but you need to hit on draft picks. So if you can get more of them, get increase your odds. Those are the cheap starters you need to round out your team. Do you think there was a team this year that can sort of do something like that. Well, I'm intrigued to see what happens with the Detroit Lions because they're right on the cusp. They're a really good team. We saw, you know, within a whisker making the playoffs last year. And now when you look where they're picking they've got four of the top 55 picks. They've got another one there at 81 so they've got a chance to add some real, real help to their roster and the way that their lineup is set up right now. You don't look like they can't line up and play tomorrow at a certain spot. So that allows them to take the best available player. Brad Holmes. I give him a lot of credit. He took a lot of grief after the Stafford trade and they went on and won the Super Bowl with the Rams. But he's, he knew the timing and he nailed it because they weren't ready to win yet. And he was able to still get a quality quarterback in return and load up with all these assets. And now they're in great shape. I don't know that there's, you know, many teams you'd rather be than them right now with where they are as an organization and the assets. They have to go ahead and take that next step. Awesome. Thank you. Yep. By the way, I didn't say this at the top. I probably should have. Happy Fernando Tatis data everybody. I hope you're all celebrating as much as I am. Next question comes from Bradley Locker. Hi, DJ sincerely appreciate all of your insight. Turning to the Steelers and the moves they made in free agency addressing a lot of the offensive line and defensive line in particular. Do you still think cornerback and offensive tackle or positions that might go early, but also where do you think Ed Druscher might fit into that mix. Yeah, I think those are the three spots. You know, I think you got to see how it kind of falls, how the draft falls. I would just say if you're looking at those three to me, you know, where they're picking at 17, it makes more sense to go off and tackle first. I think there's a bigger drop off at that position. If you don't get one there with your first pick. Now they come right back at it and pick at 32. So, you know, they'll have a chance to address those other needs. But to me, it makes the most sense. If one of those top tackles is there, take tackle at 17. And then you turn around 32. And I think you can afford to just say, hey, highest rated player between a corner and an Ed Druscher. I think there's going to be some really good options at both those spots. So I think they're in a pretty good position in this draft. Coming on the heels of what they already accomplished. And then again, you're picking at 49. So 17, 32, 49. You talked about those three positions. I don't see why they couldn't come out of those first three picks with three starters between a tackle, a corner and an Ed Druscher. Wonderful. Thank you. Next question comes from Palmer with dogs HQ. Hey, DJ, I heard you mentioned Stetson Bennett's name earlier. What do you see as his ceiling in the NFL and what would be a good comparison for him and then Kenny McIntosh, the running back from Georgia. Where does he fit into what's a deep class of running backs. Yeah, I mean with Stetson. You know, it's interesting to me. He's a he's a different body type, but if you're if you're looking at maybe a little bit a little skinnier, faster version of Colt McCoy would be a comparison for me, you know, Colt one in college. Colt could run. He could move. He just he found a way to make winning plays, even though he didn't necessarily fit all the specs you were looking for coming from a, you know, a true blue blood program as well. So, yeah, I would, I would say that would be my vision for him as somebody that can start games here or there. But, you know, it's going to give you a really, really athletic and, you know, a good solid backup that if you need to get through three or four games, you wouldn't feel bad about giving him the keys. So that's where I would have Stetson Bennett in terms of a comparison. And then when you're looking at the running back position, it's interesting. It's, you know, I wish Kenny would have ran faster. He ran the four sixes. He's, you know, a similar type of player to Tony Pollard coming out. Just doesn't have the juice that Tony Pollard had, but he's one of the best pass catching backs. I think he's, you know, I think he's going to be a day three guy, I think in this group where we have so many backs, it's a pretty deep and talented group. I would say I would put that mark probably around the fifth round is is about the range of where he hears his name called. But again, really good with the ball in his hands and then excellent the passing game. Next question comes from Josh Schrock. Hey, DJ. Thanks for doing this. The Bears have pretty much had every top tackle and for a visit. Darnell writes a name that's kind of been percolating here in Chicago. I wanted to know your thoughts on his fit at nine with the Bears and how he compares to Skoronsky in Paris, Johnson. Yeah. I mean, I think if you're just saying as a pure tackle, his tape is really, really good. And playing on the right side this year, and everybody's talked about the fact that he took a big leap in this year, but it's hard to find guys that are 330 pounds that move like him and as strong as he is a right tackle. I think he's plug and play. I think he's ready to go. I have a higher grade on Skoronsky. I think Skoronsky can play tackle. I think Skoronsky can be a good tackle, but I think Skoronsky can be an unbelievable guard. So my, you know, my order there would be Skoronsky and then, and then right. But, you know, I have in my final ranking, I have Paris Campbell or Paris Johnson, Darnell Wright, Broderick Jones. They're literally 16, 17, 18 on my list. So I'm a little bit higher on Skoronsky, but I think all the four of those guys are going to be starters. I think if you had to play a game tomorrow and know that you're going to line up and play tackle, I think Darnell Wright might be your best option as a right tackle right away who could plug in there and get going. So, you know, I think there's, I don't think there's a wrong answer there, but for me personally, I just think Skoronsky is the best overall football player. All right, well, there you go. Hope you guys have enjoyed that. Again, a lot of questions. I enjoy it though. I love talking about this. It's really Christmas morning for me once we get to the draft. So a lot of questions, not a lot of answers yet at this point in time. A lot unknown about this draft, which is going to make it compelling. Hope you guys will join us next week on Move the Six. We continue to dive into this process and continue to preview the upcoming draft. So appreciate you hanging with us and we will catch you next time right here on Move the Six. We're going to go back to the next round of the game. We're going to play a game tomorrow and we'll see you next week. I'm going to play a game tomorrow and I'll play a game tomorrow and I'll play a game tomorrow. 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