947. Breaking Down the Top 10 of the 2023 NFL Draft

Dan Hans is here with Mark Sessler and Greg Rosenthal from the Around the NFL Podcast. The 2023 NFL Draft is almost here and Around the NFL has you covered with three shows a week leading up to The Big Night. We got to top prospects. We got to big mysteries. We got it all. And we'll be joined by draft experts leading up to The Big Night to help us predict how this draft will unfold, which is hard to do because this year's draft is unpredictable. I'm excited. Yes, listen to Around the NFL on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you're going to get your podcast. Happy drafting. And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Sticks DJ Bucky together here in Kansas City. It looks nice outside, but as you can imagine during this week, I don't know that I'll go out there until Wednesday. So just sit in here, just polish up some prep work here as we get ready to go, man. How you doing? I'm good. I'm glad that the week is finally here. Draft week is a big chaotic, but you can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I think the big thing for me is always the curiosity. It's one thing for us, you and I, to evaluate prospects and talk about how the pieces of the puzzle shift fit for teens. It's another thing to see what teens really think about it. And as we get closer, you begin to get some of the intel from teens and some of the things that they thought the entire time that are radically different in the way that you may view a player or a series of players or those things. And so it's fun to kind of see how it all plays out Thursday, Friday, Saturday, because then we get scheduled lease, we get mini camps and training camps. We get to kind of put it all together. Yeah, no doubt. By the way, my sandwich has got brought in here. Hold on. Hold on. Once that's the big news, hold on. You know, Buck, you got to get into, if you want to get into scouting mode as we get towards the draft, you got to have a Jimmy John sandwich or else. It's like, you know, what are we even doing? So here's, here's what I want to do today. Let's, you've got your final top five. I got my final, final top 150. We'll touch on some of those, you know, movement that we might have had in those spots. And then we'll also, I think we should kick things off just latest stuff, you know, top 10, what we think, not only what you're hearing, but like, can we, can we just make an agreement with something we've always tried to do, do here on move the sticks, which is, I don't know, use some common sense. Can we, can we do that? We bring some common sense to this thing. We can definitely try to bring some common sense to the madness that we've been dealing with the last few weeks, for sure. Okay. Okay. Let's go. Bryce Young, I think we're both on the same page. It's going to go one to Carolina. I don't think we need to spend any time there. It'll be a shock of all shocks if that doesn't happen. So we get the Houston at two. A couple of things I wanted to bring up there because the, and this is, again, we give our buddy Lance Zirlan credit for this because he was the first on this and there's been a lot, a lot of chatter about two things. Number one, not taking a quarterback, right? And number two, Tyree Wilson over Will Anderson. So the, there's two parts to this thing here. I want to talk about the second one quickly, which is I can understand why somebody would take Tyree Wilson over Will Anderson. Like I have Will Anderson over him. You have Will Anderson over him. But if you're saying, okay, if this, if both these players hit the ceiling, then you'd say, okay, Tyree Wilson has more. He's just bigger and longer and just range here. Like he probably has more in there if you can tap into that. Whereas I think Will Anderson, as we always say, man, it's a double all day long, like you are not missing on him. We feel comfortable with him. But you know, I could understand, I could wrap my brain around it. I don't agree with it. I can't wrap my brain around it if he were to go ahead of Will Anderson. The part that I can't wrap my brain around Buck is them not taking a quarterback. I can't, I hear it. We all hear it. I can't, I can't do that. I just, when it comes time to put in your final mock draft, I know what everybody's saying. Maybe I'm just going to weigh an idiot. I can't, I can't have them not take a quarterback. I mean, it's crazy, but then here's, here's the thing. Like do the Will Anderson, Tyree Wilson debate. Now think about those two, DJ, it reminds me, not in terms of them being the same type player, but it reminds me of the debate that you would have with Jadaevian Clowney and Khalil Mack. Meaning that, in Tyree Wilson, you have the maybe more athletic, more physically imposing pass rusher. But in Will Anderson, you had what Khalil Mack was, which was a powerful technique oriented player who you're banking on, that technique, that power, being able to get it done. And so I can understand gambling on the upside, gambling on maybe the ceiling, but there's just something with Will Anderson that I am more comfortable saying, whatever he is in college, he's going to be more like that than me saying the same thing for Tyree Wilson. Tyree Wilson flashes, he has nice production, 17 and a half sacks of those last three years of Texas Tech, but Anderson's been the marquee name, I mean, for three years. And each of those three years he delivered. For Ms. Freshman, you're on, he has been looked at the bell of the ball and he's lived up to those things. And I think there's something too, when you have to carry that crown and carry that, I'm a known commodity, but still have to deliver, there's something to that, as opposed to kind of flying under the radar, then your last season, like, I'm the prospect. So with the quarterback, I don't know, man, I think some of this is, man, I think people overthink it when we get to this time of the year. Every time when you look at CJ Stroud over the course of the fall, you watch him doing the college football playoff, and he looks like what an NFL quarterback should look like. And so, I mean, we can talk about testing and all this other stuff, but I just know when you watch him play the game, I don't see anyone who has issues and turns and fast up. Yes, there's things that he can clean up. He's not a perfect prospect, none of them are, but to me, if you're going bypass on a guy like that, man, you better be right, man. Especially in your division where you can come back and just lay the dragon two times a year, you just got to be right. You got to be right. Here's where I am on those two topics, and I'll wrap up my thoughts on both of them. I felt like with last year with Hutchinson and Trayvon Walker, same thing. We're talking about Willie Anderson, and we're talking about Tyree Wilson. And this is not to say that I don't like, I mean, that Tyree Wilson, I think, is my fourth player. Not that I don't like him. It's not that I didn't like Trayvon Walker. I think Trayvon Walker was my fifth player. But I think there's a difference, Buck. Sometimes I think we get caught up and teams get caught up. I'm not trying to find a defensive end to play in a movie. I'm trying to find a defensive end to play in a game. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, okay, wow, look at this. This is central casting. Look at these guys, man. Whereas that's great. The other two guys are just better football players. That's who I come back to on that one. So your thoughts on that don't get back, put a bow on it. I mean, I think there's something to it. There's a lot of truth in that statement. At the end of the day, you have to grade people on how they play ball. I mean, that's what it's about. We can talk about the beauty pads and we can talk about how they look, how long they are and all those other things. Production matters. Production and performance over time. Like, that's what they're going to do. And I don't think that you can ignore the production, the production of both of the guys we talked about, the production, Aiden Hutchinson had a season ago, was really cool. He was real and legitimate. We saw that carry out and translate to production with the Detroit Lions. I am confident that wherever Will Anderson goes, the production that we've seen him do throughout this time at Alabama, he's going to continue to do that. Guys don't change. And so I just have a hard time thinking that he's not going to be able to do those same things. And so we'll see. And maybe there's a vision. Maybe there's a plan that the Texans have in place if they elect to go to Tyree Wilson. But you're passing up two things that will be here, scratch, you could be called into questioning down the line. One, not taking a quarterback at two. Two, taking a different pass for us, She didn't will Anderson number one. Those two things put a lot of pressure, put a bullseye right on your chest. If those things don't go on your favor. Yeah. The other thing I would say on the quarterback thing is I know there's the theories of all the take one at 12 and take somebody else at two. And we went down this road buck. Remember when we talked about this, when you look at that, it is a trail of tears. Say, you know, we debated it. I think that was like, okay, well, maybe we could say three or four, those guys were okay players outside Lamar Jackson. It's not a great list. You know, it's just not either good enough to go. If you're going to be my starting quarterback at 12, then shoot, I'm taking you at two. I swear to you, I would have more. I would, I would, it would make more sense to me if Henan Hooker was their guy. If they just said we're taking Henan Hooker with a second pick man, Henan Hooker is like my 40s on my list. So that's higher than I have him great. But my whole thing is if you think he can be your guy at 12, then shoot, you might as just taking it too. Because ultimately you graded on how to play a play. Yes. How do they play? Doesn't matter when you pick them, how do they play, what's the performance like once you get them in the building? So it doesn't matter. The only thing draft status does, it gives you pole position coming into the building. You come in as the first round pick. It means you get to the front of the line, we expect you to start right away. Yada, yada, yada. But at the end of the day is how do you play when you have your opportunities? What do you do? How do you impact the game and those things? And given the impact of the starting quarterback in a league that is governed by quarterback play and now governed by young elite quarterbacks, you better get your quarterback because we've seen it. You don't have a chance. We don't have an A level quarterback. And tying those two conversations together while I like Will Anderson, you like Will Anderson and we both like Terry Wilson, good football players and both like Anderson over. We've established all that. The other side of it is, I don't feel like this is a Nick Bosa. I don't feel like this is a Miles Garrett. I don't feel like there's a von Miller. So it's not like, I saw Kimes' video to the day. I think he was on a cow herd and he was like, Nick Bosa's like, you're going to regret taking the little quarterback go, blah, blah, blah. That's one of those ones where man, I might not sleep great at night. I'm passing up a potential Hall of Fame player. I don't think you'd have that issue here. I'm sitting here thinking like, there's no guarantee that those top two defensive ends are going to be significantly better than the defensive end. You could take a 12th like you're going to get. You might get Nolan Smith, Lucas Van Ness, whoever your flavor is at that point in time. Like I just, that's why I just keep going around surface. But I'm like, they have to take a quarterback at two. They got to. Well, I mean, like, depending on how they have them graded, I don't know what the system would say, but to me, the grade is the grade. I gave TJ Stroud a very impactful grade. It's a solid first round grade. This is coming off the CFP, coming off these bad games and everything. And so to me, it doesn't make a lot of sense. And I felt like there was separation between Bryce and his C.J. Stroud and the rest of the pack. I don't see it as close as some would see it when it comes to Will Levis or Anthony Richardson or whoever being the next one. So I need to see it. Like, for the reason why I want to see what happens on Thursday night is we're hanging all this stuff. I can't wait to see if it plays out and see if people really felt like that. It was just a smokescreen the entire time and we did a spin. A lot of conversation talking about guys at the top of the board who would never grade it or view it as guys that should have been at the top of the board. Yep, no doubt. All right. Let's get to the pick five. I won't take a quick little break here. So let's get to three Arizona. I know we can say, gosh, they would love to get out. Hopefully somebody would come up. But when you look at it in the last five years, Buck in 2022, nobody note on draft day, no trades in the top 10 in 2021. The only trade in the top 10 was Philly going from 12 to 10 in 2020. No trades on draft day in the top 10 2019. The only trade was Pittsburgh going to 10 from 20. Like if you're going to move nowadays, if you're going to move up into the top five, it's usually done well ahead of time because you want to play and you want to prep. You want to have the opportunity to do everything. You want to play and prep. You want to be able to invite the guys that are potential prospects to your facility as one of your top 30 so you can get a feel for them. All of that. Like no one wants to play this cute game today up. Like it looks great in movies. It was great when Kevin Costner and all those guys moved around and whatever. But in real life, you don't want to do that because you want to plan. And so, you know, it has to be a player that drives it like a lot of times and I want people to understand it because we always get asked to talk about trades and stuff on path or whatever. You just don't trade up for the sake of just moving. You know, can confuse like John, when you say don't, can mistake like. I can't see what he's producing. Yeah, I can't see what he's producing. Like look, just because we're moving around the board, doesn't mean it. There has to be a player that is worthy of moving the needle like that. Now, if you're saying that Jalen Carter didn't have the issues away from the field, Jalen Carter's talent moves the needle where you could do it. And so, if there's an action that I put by one player, he would be the one player. And so, as much as we're hearing about the stuff, I don't know, these, you have a hard time when I look at the tape saying, man, I'm good. I'm taking lesser player just because I just have a hard time bypassing the talent that you see on a player who played with first rounders and he's the most dominant one when it wasn't even his turn to come out. Yeah. I don't know. That's why it's interesting to me. So if we say kind of Will Anderson more than likely goes three, Indy, if we go with Shroud at two, if we're talking about that, then you get to Indy. And I think that there's a lot of Levis smoke there. I haven't heard as much about Richardson. So I don't know what that means. Maybe there's a reason they haven't talked about Richardson. Maybe Richardson's been their guy all along, but I tend to believe it. I tend to believe in that smoke with Levis there at four. And then we get to five and then it's Jalen Carter or no Jalen Carter. We look at the Edrichers, but they've got Daryl Taylor coming off a good year, Jenna Nuo, so who they got a really good year at, who's still really young. And boy, they just drafted. So it's not like they're barren of young, talented Edrichers. So what they don't have is that dynamic interior guy. And then you could say, well, corners, they haven't drafted a corner in the first round since Kelly Jennings. Like they find they find those guys down. That's not that's not their normal and even though I may have mocked a corner there, but I mean, the tea leaves would suggest that, man, you have an opportunity to take an inside player that's a disruptive force. You haven't had issues with players on your team. Like you have a unique environment that allows all these different type of personalities to flourish. I just have a hard time thinking, man, I'm Pete here. I'm going to turn down a dude inside that can absolutely dominate the game from inside out. Man, to put him alongside was the Draymond Jones that they signed in the season. Like, man, you know what kind of problem is you can put Jalen Carter over top of the center and make him turtle up over the course of 60 minutes, just beating the centers here and in. I don't know, man, I'll find it hard to do, but I know this. You notice the Detroit Lions have become increasingly more comfortable with Jalen Carter. He doesn't get down six. He doesn't go past it. If he's there at six, the Lions take him in there, you have the opportunity to put him on the inside with Aiden Hutchinson. You have James, I mean, you talk about the Detroit Lions being able to put together some goons at the point of attack. I mean, that's the kind of defense you want. Yeah. That's why I just, I don't know, I don't know who to put to Seattle. And then the other thing is like, well, maybe Seattle's just going to take Anthony Richardson and say forget it, like we're going to, you know, let him sit under a, on Gino. We don't know if we'll ever be picking up here again. So this gives us our quarterback in the future, but man, I don't know. I mean, Pete, how many more years is Pete want to do this? Is he want to, he want to sit and wait? Like I feel like he feels like he's got a pretty decent young team right now. So everything they've done this all season has been an attempt to recreate the 2010s defense. Yeah. You think about what they've been able to pick up. So you talk about Draymond Jones coming over. They bring bad Jan Reed. Okay. So imagine like Draymond Jones, Jan Reed on the inside. You now throw Jalen Carter into the rotate with those guys. You have it. They bring Bobby Wagner back. They signed DM Bush to play linebacker. Jordan Brooks obviously mentioned he come back. They're moving Jamal Adams down. And safety to weeks out linebacker. They signed Julian Love. You have to re willing to know all those guys like DJ everything to me screams. We want to get back to playing the dominant defense that we played in the past. And so we can be like, nah, we don't want to upfront guy because we can take another position. To me, it just makes sense that they're going to take the Georgia defense attack just based on what they're trying to, just the vision that they have for how they want to play. Yeah. And I've got some people in the league swear to me, they won't be scared of Jalen Carter and I've got other people who said, no, you know, you got to remember Malik McDowell and the issues they had with him that they won't want to go down that road. So I got no blue buck. Remember they took Frank Clark. Oh, yeah. They've had me. They've had Brandon Browner on their team. They've had guys. I mean, they've had. Michael Bennett was Michael Bennett was an interesting guy. So so that doesn't I don't think that bothers him and DJ where he's from. We talked about man being top to Seattle. I don't think there's a direct flight from a pop. I mean, being able to just tuck away far away from everybody. To me, it makes sense. You have control over the market, everything to me. It just makes sense and it would be the perfect fit, not only schematically, but I think the type of hate coach he is dealing with the player. Yeah. No, it's it's it's interesting. All right, we're going to take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll roll for the rest of his top 10. Maybe hit a couple of these guys in the top fives in the top 150 and we'll wrap this bad boy up on a Monday of draft week. We'll be back right after this. Dan Hans is here with Mark Sessler and Greg Rosenthal from the round the NFL podcast. The 2023 NFL draft is almost here and around the NFL as you covered with three shows a week leading up to the big night. We got to top prospects. We got to big mysteries. We got it all and we'll be joined by draft experts leading up to the big night to help us predict how this draft will unfold, which is hard to do because this year's draft is unpredictable. I'm excited. Yes. Listen to around the NFL on the iHeartRadio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Happy drafting. All right, Buck. So then we get to we get the six here and you get to the the lions. You talked about if Jalen Carter was there, they take him. I mean, it just feels like to me it makes too much sense with the corner. If Witherspoon's there, I feel like that's a good match for them. Yeah. Witherspoon is a great match. He's a great match for anybody, like his ability to play man or zone. Just how hard he plays, the preparation that he puts into it. If you want to gamble on somebody, you want someone who is all in like that. Yeah. So then we get to pick number seven with the Raiders. I look at the offensive line and say, okay, man, they could still use some help there. But then, you know, I think about their kind of philosophy of, you know, with Josh McDaniel, is he's going to get the ball out quick and maybe they don't know you. That is quite as big a need at right tackle as maybe you or I might look at it and I can make a case for Skronski. You could play right tackle. You could plug in play, right guard, whatever you wanted him to do. But I feel like they've got to they've got to do something help this defense. And in this case, I mean, you'd have Tyree Wilson, which still be would still be out there. You're hoping to get a Chandler Jones last year. No, you certainly didn't do that. And so Tyree Wilson would be in play a corner with always being played. Christian Gonzalez, definitely with whichever one is available. They have to be able to play. You got to defend all those wide receivers in the division. Let's have to talk because I think I saw this somewhere. I don't know if Peter King talked about this, but there appears to be a lot of love for Paris Johnson, Jr. Like a lot of love and a lot of people talking about he won't get past the Bears at nine. What are your thoughts on him initially? That's a little high for me just where I have him individually. But I've heard that same talk. I think that teams, there's a lot of split opinion out there. I mean, he is a tackle. So at the end of the day, one of the things that gives me some comfort with him is that if you look at big 10 tackles who are, you know, big, smart and instinctive, like those guys all play and they all play for a long time. Now I don't think he's a great bender. I don't think he's, you know, I don't think he can drop his weight. I think his weight, like I would like to. I don't think he plays with outstanding core strength. I think he needs to get physically stronger. So I don't think he's in the class of Rissant's later. I don't think he's in the class of Penais-Soule. I don't think he's in class of, you know, the Worf's Beckton, you know, Andrew Thomas, that whole group of guys. I don't think he's in that group either. But I think he's a solid player. And to me, he's actually, I guess technically my top tackle because I kick Skuransi inside the guard. But you know, tackles get pushed up. You look with those guys get paid in free agency. They don't, they rarely hit the market. So if you need one, you got to take one of the first round that, that pushes those guys up. Yeah. No, it's funny because I had him initially as my top offensive tackle because I skuransi on the list and I get going back and forth. I felt like he was more athletic than skuransi. I felt like he's upside and those things were intriguing. But at the end of the day, I made a flip at the end just because when I see skuransi just from a technical standpoint, man, he does all the things right. He does all the work, quick set, hands inside, all those other things. If he fails, he won't fail because he doesn't have all the tools in the toolbox. He just failed because he simply is overwhelmed. But I just can't see that. Yeah, it's just an interesting debate, you know, seeing more of the love on him and look, I mean, he was still up there. I mean, I haven't said that. He's still like a top 12 player. I mean, when you look at the row of spots where the offensive line is going to come, he's not coming off later than in the mid first round. But it is interesting to hear this conversation about him and some of the other guys that kind of popped up. Yeah. No, it's, you know, the interesting one to me is when you look at Darnell Wright, I struggled with where to put him at the end. It showed up a little bit out of shape at the pro day, which some teams were concerned about that. So you've got inconsistent play as a junior. You've got him playing great this year. Really good at the senior ball. I thought he had a good combine workout, but then just a little, you know, a little, a little as shape at the pro day. I still kept him as the number two guy, but I've got, I've got it. Paris Johnson, then him, then broader Jones. So all three of those guys stack together. I think 16, 17, 18 overall on my list. But again, tackles, they're going to get pushed up probably above where they're, where their grade is just because the need and the supply is, is not great. So we'll see what happens there. We got to the Raiders. We get to the Falcons at eight, but you buying, are you buying or selling on, on John Robinson's or I mean, I like it. I think it makes it a lot of sense. If you go and you look at how that franchise is operated, when they've been at their best with a young quarterback, they had a big time running back behind them. So Matt Ryan was there. They had Michael Bernard Turner and Michael Bernard Turner, those first two and a half, three years he was able to leave you at a lot of the pressure on Matt Ryan to carry the offense. If Desmond Ritter is going to be your guy and you have an opportunity to get B. John Robinson to go to Tyler Eyes years and Codero Patterson, you make the move you go for it. And so yes, I can see it. And also because Arthur Smith has a comfort level with kind of creating your running game with a big time back. I'm all then on it. You know, the one, the one that I'm just kind of looking at their team and I'm curious about because you mentioned you've got Algier, you've got Codero Patterson, you've got options back there. And now you've got Kyle Pitts tight end. Hopefully he stays healthy for the whole year. You look at Drake London, he can bring to the table. They brought over Matt Collins. You know, you think about Drake London, Matt Collins. And now if you, if, and I have not, I'm just literally thinking about this on the fly as we're doing this, but like Jackson Smith and Jigbo would be kind of interesting for them. Oh, yeah. Put him in the slot with that three-user collection. He kind of, he kind of fits though. He's kind of three-user in the row, pass catches, Kyle Pitts, Drake London, JSN. We got it. It's a pass, it's a passing limit. But we're using a row, we're getting pass catches in the top 10. Well, they just paid, they just locked in their offensive line. So that's, you know, they're pretty set there for the time being. So I don't know. I just, I'm looking at their group and how it kind of comes together. And if you're going to go all in on Ritter, I know one thing. If I'm getting ready to push my chips in on a young quarterback, I've got on my team, you know, I'd be telling defensive coordinator, hey, man, I know we got, we need this, we need that, we need the other. But in order for all of us to keep our jobs and to keep this train rolling, we need the quarterback to play good. So what, what pick helps us help him? So you know, I think the running back would accomplish that in a big way. You know, Smith and Jigbo would be interesting. So it'll be fascinating. I've been told a lot of people think that they would get out and they would, you know, they might not even need a huge return to get out of there. So I mean, yeah. I mean, yeah, but then once again, which player is going to drive that? Oh, I'm going to give up. Who are you trying to get up ahead? Trying to get ahead of the Bears for who? Yeah. I mean, and so the player will drive that market as opposed to, oh, we want to be out. We're up for business. You have to want to get up there to get somebody to give up additional picks to get that player. And so depending on how to bore shakes, maybe, but man, I think they may get stuck and have to stick and pick. Yeah. So we'll see what they end up doing. Nine, the Bears, I feel like if Jalen Carter did somehow get down there to them, perfect. Ryan Polls coming from Kansas City. Think about Chris Jones and his impact. I could see him easily looking at that and saying, come on in. We'll take our chances here. Take a little bit of a risk and off you go. Philadelphia gets 10. Last one we'll touch on here. You know, to me, I think you're looking at Paris Johnson, Peter Skoronski, those two guys because they love offensive linemen early. And then I would look at two other guys I would keep an eye on. Nolan Smith, give him a real fastball off the edge and Lucas Van Ness. I think those guys, I think that decision is probably coming down to those four guys. Man, that's a good list. It's not bad, right? But you know what tells you if more than a couple of them are there, you can maybe slide back over. Yeah, I mean, that's a good list. And the options are there. It kind of depends on what you want to do when it comes to building out your team. How quickly can you get one side of the ball up and running? You know, we've talked about that. Like, hey, let's make one side great and then do it. And I don't know if you can go wrong in that scenario. For all those guys are there, man. What do you think? Offense, defense, been around the quarterback? Like what do you think? Yeah, I mean, I think probably more defensive lines. I just think they'll look at that as kind of a priority. You know, you do have a little bit of age there with Brandon Graham and think about Fletcher Cox, like this is just one last hurrah with those guys. So continuing to just add to that mix, it's a nice little group that they've got going forward. When you look at Jordan Davis plugging in, you've got Milton Williams, who's young, explosive interior guy, you've got sweat, who's really good. Obviously, we know what they have with the son Rhettick. So they could just, I mean, they like to play as they like to say with the alpha and the Bravo units. Yeah, like the all those guys. So this would give them another piece. So DJ, I did my mock draft last night. So I had them, I think at the time, I hadn't taken a pass rusher. I think it looks to be in this was off the board. So maybe it was Miles Murphy there, but then to come back at the end of the first round and take another inside outside combo guy. We talked about a key on white or somebody like that. Like to me, if the Eagles do that kind of stuff, you talk about really cornering the market on like just pass rushes, like deep talented pass rush so you can roll through there. The one thing that I love about the Eagles, their philosophy is clear and everyone understands it and knows it. So as much fun as we had like mocking Bijon Robinson, I'd be great. Everyone knows that's not how they get that. And so it's me. Yeah. Like I love it because it's very clear in the parent. Hey, this is what we do. We don't take right of X. Hi, like this is what we do. We can get that value somewhere else. Mm hmm. 100%. All right. All right, your final top fives. I've got my final top 50, actually the both those you can find us at NFL.com hardest decision buff. I'll give you the floor on that one. Hardest decision for me. We talked a little bit about Parrish Johnson, Jr. and Skurmoski. That was probably one of the hardest ones in just in terms of which one deserves to be number one. I finally flipped on Kincaid and Michael Meyer. That was a huge one for me because coming into this, I thought, man, I just thought Meyer was going to be the guy. But then as you just look at what Kincaid can do and all that other stuff, it was a bit of a surprise. You know, I've seen you're looking, DJ. It wasn't a lot of, like I didn't have a lot of movement. I can say true. So that's either good or bad. I think the guy that I am interested in, I can't wait to see where Kalaja can see go. Like, we're really coming off the board after the combine, after stuff. How are people comfortable with this size? That stuff? Those were kind of like the hardest ones for me. Everything else was pretty much status quo. After you've done it two or three times, man, not a whole lot of movement that you can really do. You know? No, I had a couple of guys move up and down a little bit on the overall list, but the two debates that I was kind of working through in my head and the guys that were in the top 50. One was Banks, the corner from Maryland versus Porter. And I ended up sticking with Porter. I had Porter the whole process, but that's one of those ones where if I didn't sleep great without him, because I thought I think you can do more with the on-tade banks. I think he's more scheme versatile. And you always talk about that. You know, he play up, he can play off, he can do all the different things you want to be able to do. I think he gives you more of that. I think with Porter, some of the stiffness, and I don't think he's, you know, I don't think he's not playmaker. He doesn't get, you'll poke the ball away. We didn't finish and make plays on the ball. So to me, I ended up with Porter kind of staying with him with the length and the size, but I thought Banks won't shock me if Banks goes ahead of him now when the draft gets here. Banks is certainly been interesting because when I initially looked at him, I thought he's fine. But then the more you start thinking about it, the more you look at the size, the more you look at the athleticism and the explosiveness, some of the instincts kind of begin to pop up. I can absolutely believe that there are plenty of scenarios where Banks goes before George Porter Junior. The one thing about George Porter Junior, I felt like he was very limited in terms of what he did, very nose to nose, get some stuff off. We've talked about it when it comes to like mocking him to the Washington commanders. I brought up like Josh Norman and I would Josh Norman play, but when I look at George Porter Junior, not because they're the same size, they're the same athlete, the way they play is very similar in terms of how they need to play and those things. But Josh Norman carved out a nice career for himself. So, George Porter Junior can do that. He doesn't have the fluidity of some of the other top guys. And so that's why I'm a little probably down on him compared to some of the other guys. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you on that. The last one was I ended up again staying with the Washington over Musgrave, but I thought when you look at Musgrave, he's a more dynamic athlete. I know if you look at how they've washed and ran a good time, but it's a different, more of a lumbering runner, because obviously a big time asset in the past game. I think if Musgrave had played a whole season of he only had, he only played two games this year. If he had played the whole way through, I think Musgrave would have leapt over him. And I think there's still a chance he gets picked ahead of Washington. Oh, I think so. I think it comes down to styles, preferences. What do you want in a tight end position? If you're looking for a traditional wide tight end that you're really using as your sixth offensive lineman, what don't know, Washington is your guy. I still, he makes catches and plays. He's not a route runner playmaker for me. No, he's either early down tight end. We go run behind him. If we have two tight ends on the field, he's the wide. The other guy's the H. The passes are going to the H. So a lot of it is beauty in the eye of the beholder. What are you looking for when you're coming to the draft to get a tight end? Do you want a traditional one or X one? They're kind of determined it because right now I just think, John and Washington is just an X. He's an oversized tackle who is a, I mean, oversized tackle who's really a Y. He's a regular attached tight end. He's not a flex guy. He's not a movement guy. He's not a pass catching guy. He's in the line of scrimmage guy. Yeah. No, I'm with him. So it'll be interesting to see how those guys end up coming off the board. Any other takeaways from your final list there, Buck? I mean, it was difficult for me because like DJ, sometimes it's hard doing these lists when you try and do multiple iterations. It's hard to try and sort out, okay, am I being stubborn and my ego is in the way? Or do I need to relent looking some more tape and maybe flip the cards? And so I always debated particularly because you released this last one like a week before the draft. So now you just always try to guard against what you're hearing versus what you're seeing. I'm hearing they may go, but what I'm seeing is I don't really love the product or so that that's always the most difficult part of it. It's hard. It's hard. It's hard. Well, it's easy to do when you're inside with a team because you guys all know inside that building what you feel about players and all the outsides stuff you don't care. It's hard when you're in the media thing and you're balancing, okay. Like here's my top 150. Like a great example for me is like Marte Mop who the linebacker from Sac State. I love them, man. So I'm like, you talk to teams like you'll go on the fourth or fifth round. I'm like, well, he's my 73rd player or something like that. Like, to me, he's a early third round player. So I know he probably going to go later, but my job is not to stack them how they're going to go. His job is to stack them high. How do you feel about them? How do you feel like they're going to play? And that's the thing that's hard sometimes because when we're doing draft line, we see him the boy get picked before it like a chicken. We're like, yeah, I didn't like him as much, but that's okay. At some point, we're going to have to snap the ball, put a ball down and we'll get chances in play. And then we'll see who's right after that, but you can't beat yourself up. There's a couple corners there. There's a couple corners, Buck, that if you're a zone team, purely a zone team, they're going to, they might have these guys like the third or fourth round. They didn't make my top one 50 because of personally, I'm like, just for my taste, like you can't run. I don't. What can I do with you? I value that because if I can't line you up, nose to nose at some point in time and play like that, then those are teams that I kind of work with and what I appreciated. So that's how I think. So I'm like, it's hard to do this on the media side of things because we're not scouting for a scheme. We're not scouting for a division, all that kind of stuff. It's generic. But I kind of just say, you know what, at the end of the day, those guys end up being good players somewhere else, whatever. I'm just going to guys I like. And that's why if you can't run a corner, I'll just, I'll let some, I pushed it. No, South River should certainly play in them because we all bring that to the table. The funny thing is, look, I think there's enough awareness to be able to say, hey, man, he's his own corner. You want him to put his own skin or whatever. My top units will look differently. If you want man to man, but I'm not tasked with that. I'm tasked with just ranking them one to five based on ability they have. So it always changes. And so you just hope that you're able to explain it, whereas the listener, the viewer, understands like, Oh, okay, this is what he means. This is why he created this is the criteria that he used to issue these grades. Mm hmm. No doubt. Well, anything else you want to add here, Buck, before we jump out again? I'm excited. I don't know if we have another one. Is this it? Well, I think I know Beel can pop in here, but I think Fash is Lance jumping in here. What do we got? I don't know. Oh, Thursday. We got another one. Okay. We're going to be with you. Okay. Cool. A little recap, a little recap with red recapping what the draft doesn't happen until Thursday night. Is that after the draft? Is that the Beel doesn't want to talk? He just wants to jump. Oh, okay. I did it. Like the little post draft recap. So this is the last one. You and I. Okay, cool. Yes. Yes. So, I'm going to be looking for a new one next week and go through all this stuff. So, Buck have a blast, man. And enjoy it. I know you guys do a great job. And I'm looking forward. I'm sure we'll be texting all for the next couple of days. For sure. Silly season, but I can't wait for that. I can't wait for that DJ my draft on Wednesday. Oh, man. You don't even want to know. I confident level zero. So I'm just like, I'm going to put a sprout at two and just let the chips fall where they may look like a dummy when everybody else was right on that whole thing. But anyways. All right. 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