Nate Burleson: Megatron vs. Moss, CBS Mornings swag, the Nate B. freestyle

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I'm telling you, not asking, give us a five-star rating. Anywhere you pick up your podcast, whether it's Apple Podcasts, or I Heart Radio, please give us a look, a listen, teleprint, a teleprint, a teleprint. Peanut, who's our guest today? An oldie, but a goodie. This is someone that we're trying to be like, you know, on the national level. So he's... He's a 2003 draft class. Let's rest up for this, too. He was a third round, 2003 draft class, played 11 years. And since leaving the game, he has become a media mogul. He is one of the co-hosts from the CBS Morning Show. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome in. Nate Borrelson. What's up, Joe? What's up? I appreciate that introduction. Thank y'all for having me in. Before we get started, I just want to say, I've always admired what you guys did on the field. Yeah. But what you guys have done in your second act has been incredible. And it's a beautiful thing to see, man. So this is an honor, you know, when I got word that y'all wanted to have me on, I was pumped about it. Now, you even got the voice, don't you? It's like, I feel like when you play it, I didn't really recognize your voice, but it's like, well, you know, I really want to thank y'all for tuning in and coming up. You remember I've been working on it. That was one of my inspiration. I see it. Okay, you see it. It's coming. It's coming in. Thank you. You noticed it, man. It's the little things that really get people excited. Like, as Nate has progressed in his career and his life, he's like, bro, I didn't care about you getting all the love and some of the catches and stuff. It's like, man, did you feel that story? Did you feel the passion in my voice right here? Exactly. That's what he's looking for. Yeah. That's it. That's it. I appreciate it. I like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No worries, man. But yeah, man, you've been killing on CBS Wanna Show. Thank you, man. I like you representing us well. Thank you. You doing your thing. I like you, straight hand. Like, you give athletes us a platform to say that, you know, man, we not just athletes. Like, I don't just have to talk about sports. I don't just have to be a coach or an analyst. Like, I can come in. I can do radio. I can do TV. I can do, like, legit news. I can interview your president. I can interview politicians, hip-hop artists, athletes, like, I can do it all. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And I'm just, I'm proud of you. I really like what you've done. You started out a good morning football. And your progression and the work ethic that you put in. And like, you legit, you like legit media. Like, you doing a damn thing. And I just, hey, man, I applaud you. It's amazing to see. Yeah. I sincerely received that, man. And like I said, you guys have also, you know, kind of recreated the blueprint. I feel like we all, we all have this one big blueprint. And we're all making our marks on it, you know, individually. You know, straight hand, of course, is one of the people that they look at. And they say, all right, he going from a Super Bowl champion, Hall of Famer, into media, into news, and now hosting everything from reality shows to game shows. Now there's this blueprint out there. What I love about this new landscape and the new NFL player is that we're all grabbing that same blueprint, making our marks. And here's an avenue for you as a player. You can go into podcasting. You can go into law enforcement. You can go into coaching if you want. But you can also go in the fashion, media, music, finance. You can do whatever you want. You know, I think the greatest life sports has ever told us as athletes is all you need to do is care about this. Yeah. And I don't know where we picked it up from. Maybe it was just indoctrinated as a young age at a young age. But like, we got to the NFL. And if you were to talk to us our rookie year, our second year, about what we would do for the team, I think about 99% of us say, I'll run through a brick wall and mean it. Like, I die for these colors. There's this logo on my helmet, this emblem, and these team colors. This is everything that matters to me. And for the most part, that helped us do our jobs at the level it did. Right. But it also blinded us to the next chapter. And what we were also going to have to face, which was, if you're gonna know who we are after we take the helmet off. Right. And I think us and many others like us are just representations that being an athlete was just a small part of our lives. It wasn't necessarily who we were. And the sooner guys can figure that out, which is why I love this new generation of athletes. It's like, you'll be better off once retirement comes. It actually makes a lot of the coaches and people that work with these players more uncomfortable. Because they're not used to it. They're used to just guys doing what you tell them. Right. And now they're like, man, you know, they understand they have value. Right. They understand that they're not just football players. Right. And you know, they have their own face. They have their, they want to know what they're, you know, the media responsibilities, who they want to be off of the field is where they're brand. They're brand. And so, so all these things are happening. And I just think it's really cool. I heard you talking to this guy about a, on Cairo radio. It seemed like, yeah, you seem like you guys really hit it off. Cairo, that's hometown right there. Yeah, yeah, I can tell. I can tell like you guys open up, shared a lot of stories. And just you talking about your whole journey of like, man, you know, the confidence that came with, as you got more and more of this, and doing more and more of the TV that allows you, obviously now you're relaxing. Yeah. And you're, you're really getting into these things more. At what point time did that really start to happen for you? I'm, I'm in this space right now. Yeah. You that I work with on a date. That's my normal job. Yeah. And so, I'm trying to do more personality TV. I want to be able to be able to make that switch and show like, I have more. Of course. To just football knowledge. Of course. You have way more range. Yeah. Like, you guys are just holding me down from this, right? Like, I can talk way more about way other things. Right. Right. You know what I mean? Of course. Just football. Of course. That's just a small chapter. That's right. That's right. That's right. So many more to do. How do you get to that? And at what point in time did you all of a sudden start to get way more comfortable? Like, dude, I can totally expand and do this. Yeah. That's such a good question. The first time I was actually on TV was the year I got drafted, which was 2003. I went to the NFL Network. And, you know, I got a little bit of a buzz from it. And I got to be honest. It was more self-serving. I'm a wide receiver. You know, we're divas. Yeah. I like to hear myself talking. I like to look at myself on TV. Yeah. You know, surprise to y'all. You know, we don't need them glasses. You know, that's it. They got to give it. No, man. Come on. I'm almost 42. I'm behind them here. But, um, but, you know, I, so I say that because every offseason, I would do either local or national TV or radio. I would go do the NFL Network hits. They were never paying me. Yeah. I would do stuff back home. I was like, I was sharpening the tools while I was playing. And then I went to the broadcast boot camp. And that's when I realized that I wanted to do this as a career. And it was funny because I had a little bit of a paddle in the back. You still playing when you did that? I was still playing. Yeah. I was like, you're 9-10. And, um, they basically gave me a pattern of X-Hey, man. You're talented. You got, you got some foundational pieces that could allow you to be good at this, if you choose to. But I remember struggling when we did the exercise of calling a game. Like it just, it was so foreign to me. Yeah. To have somebody in there to kind of like team me up. It was like the alley up. And I just kept missing the dump. You know, it's like, all right. Uh, first in 10. Been the Rossis Berger drops back. And the pass is completed. And he'd wait for me to jump in. And I just didn't know how to do that dance. So once I let the broadcast boot camp, as much as I felt good about certain areas of being on TV, I just kept thinking about where I struggled. I guess that's the athlete in us, you know. Yeah. We focus on the details of something we're not doing well at. And that made me feel like a rookie again. Yeah. And that's what, I think that element encouraged me the most. When I retire, I'm going to work on this craft. I got to, I got to be good at it. And at that time, I had, um, a partnership with a clothing line, Bayes and Baker. I had an Italian restaurant in Seattle. I had a couple of other small things going on from a crew. So I had all these things that I didn't know. I didn't know what I wanted to do. So I had to pick something. It was either going to TV or try my hand of all these other things. And I thought, if I go on a TV and I'm good at TV, it's going to make these other things easier. Yeah. So let's get into TV. And that's when I signed on the NFL network. And from there, I was the busiest guy. Like, there was, there wasn't nothing that they couldn't call me for. It was live TV, tape TV, pre-game, halftime, post-game, digital content, getting reps. So all it was was getting as many reps as I could. And also, you know, I want to prove that I was just as good as some of these guys that were there. I didn't, I didn't have the gold jacket or the ring. So, you know, I, I needed to work twice as hard. And I felt like, remember when we first got in the league and the OG's be like, hey, hey, Rook, slow down, man. Chill out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, man. Chill out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Friday. You know what you are. It's Friday. Yeah. That's Marty Booker got me with that. Come on, Brooke, what you doing? It made you feel real bad, right? I'm just like, I'm practicing. I'm just, I'm doing what they pay me to do. I'm doing what they pay me to do. I'm working. Chill out. Chill out. And that's how I felt the OG's at the NFL network world was kind of like, hey, yo, Rook, slow down, bro. Like, you're not getting paid anymore. Yeah. So why are you doing stuff that, that you're not getting paid to do? And I, I didn't have an answer. All I knew is if I got as much reps as I could, at all of these different aspects of TV, eventually, I'll start to find my rhythm. And, um, and I'm still finding it. But, you know, I feel like I, at least I found my voice. Yeah. And so, so, look, I want this is going to be the toughest question to ask you. All right. Okay. And so, Pina got me so excited. I, I wanted to hit you with this first. Okay. Okay. All right. Who's the best receiver, Calvin, better receiver, Calvin Johnson, or Randy Moss. You played with both. All right. Randy was a different time in Minnesota when you were in. Yep. But Calvin, you had young, you were older and you got Calvin. Yeah. So, which one was the best receiver you ever played against? You ever played with? I would have to go with Randy Moss. Um, you know, a couple of reasons. One longevity by his side. All right. Okay. Even at an older age when people thought he was washed, he went to New England. He got killed busy. Killed. Killed like this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was the most naturally gifted athlete I've ever seen. I mean, he could play baseball. I think he could have ran in the Olympics. Basketball. He really good. That's a really good hoop. Yeah. A beast. Um, and he would show up. And not even really have to warm up in his prime. Like, Randy didn't even warm up. I'm talking about, not at practice, a game. I remember, you know, warming up next to him. And I'm like, like Jim Carrey and cable guy. I'm doing all kind of stretches. You know what I'm saying? And Randy's over there just moving his feet up and down. Yeah. And the coach was like, Hey, Randy, you got to warm up. And he just sitting there like, whatever. And he's like, Randy, come on. Let's go. We got to game in a little bit. And he just so casually looked out. He's like, Hey, you ever seen a cheetah stretch before a hunt? And it was like one of them, like abnormally profound questions that we did that answer for. And I'm like, and we're all like, yeah, you're right. The cheetah never. It just goes. It's a food. And we all kind of looked, looked at Randy, looked at the coach, coach turned around, walked away. And Randy had another big day on the field. So Randy was naturally gifted. Yeah. I will say this though. Calvin was a freak. Yeah. But he also worked his ass off. Yeah. Calvin was 6465230. Sometimes he gets to around 240. And he still was a 43 guy jumping a 45 inch vertical. Yeah, it's crazy. But he was show up every day and worked like he was a free agent. Like Calvin, when we could do conditioning, he wouldn't just like lead us by step or two. He would beat us by as much as his athleticism was supposed to beat us by. And I always like, I admired that about him. And I feel like if Calvin would have played as long as Randy, this would be a different conversation. That's what I said. But, you know, you can't knock Randy's numbers and then on top of that, just like his intimidation factor. I remember being in the slot. And there was, there was a DB in front of him. There was a safety behind the DB. And then the safety from the other side of the field was rolling over the top. So he basically had to beat three levels of defense in one play. And sure enough, don't take cold pepper, drop back with max protection and let that thing rip. Touch down back in the end zone. I just remember being in, there were moments where I was just in, ah, I remember another time, DB is giving everybody fits. And Randy goes up there, and I saw the whites of the DB's eyes. His toes was all the way up, because he's ready to get out of there. And then Randy, the DB backs up, right? So he's acting like he's going to press them. And then he backs up to about eight yards. And as soon as he snaps the ball, Randy's all the line scrimmages goes like this. Now, mind you, he had a hit. So he could have ran the hits. Right. But he's like, the DB's off at eight back pedaling, which means he's probably like a 15. Yeah. And Randy in his head is naked. I'm still going to run past you. So he comes off the line scrimming. And just hot hands. Hot hands and then boom. Touchdown. So Randy was just a different type of beast now. And look, that's what all the, my, my, my former teammate Darren Sharper's like, look, like nobody with the car at Randy Moss 101 in his prime. Like you had to have another safety over time. Or it was like, you had no chance. And that was a whole defense. That was out there. Yeah. Yeah. I think, for me though, I think I had success with Randy. Because you played both. Yeah. I had success with Randy, because coach is always saying, man, you got to guard the man, not his reputation. And I really, I really took that to heart like, yo, he is Randy Moss. He is that dude. But yeah, I can't be, I can't be afraid of you to man. Like your reputation, you're this. But like, I'm a dog too. And you also played to your strengths. Yeah. You're late. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So even if you knew you weren't trying to get your hands on them. Yeah. You knew if you just did the Street Fighter like Dawson just like reached out. You knew that would just like, it would cause a little bit of hesitation. If you get Randy, that has to do a lot of scrimmage. Not saying you got a chance to beat him, you got a chance to stay with him. Yeah. But yeah, you know, I've always admired those battles, man. You know, it's just, it's hard though when you look at those two guys, because they're just so different. Like Calvin was physical. I will say this though, you stack up their highlights together, you're going to see impressive catches. You know, see them go up over the top of guys, double coverage, even triple coverage. You're going to see good route running. But I think the separation will be that Calvin was by far a better blocker. Like Calvin was a beast in the run game. I remember me being in the slot and having a bubble round. Calvin was on the outside. I got it to the line of scrimmage. And in my head, I'm like, I'm already thinking about my dance I'm going to do, because Calvin's about to run this dude into the tunnel. And I knew it. And I knew I was about 30 yards away from the end zone. I wasn't even worried about Calvin's man. He got up on that DB, put them hands on him, drove him to the sideline. I just ran right inside. Because I trusted Calvin that much. Right. He never gave up on the play. What was it like when you, because you'd use this acronym for her? Oh, yeah. Yeah. His everlasting romance with football. Yeah. Yeah. After being involved with it for 11 years, having to walk away. Yeah. You've had some tragedy things happen throughout your career. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Move from a couple of places. You had an ACL injury. Yeah. Talk about that journey. When you finally said, all right, it's time to move on. I feel like we all fall in love with this sport at different places in our lives. You know, I started playing when I was a kid and popped one of football. And then in high school, it was like puppy love. Yeah. And then it was like, we got engaged in college. And then the league was like, oh, damn, I'm married to this job. Yeah. Like put a ring on it, you know? And there were some good times. You know, the reason I describe it, like this toward love affairs because, you know, the good times are the contracts, the touchdowns, the wins. You know what I mean? I mean, the traveling city to city and playing villain on the road. You know, all of that, like, it's like, it's like, it's like good sex in America. You know what I'm saying? For sure. The vacations are fire and vacations. The vibes are good. Vacations love is great. Right. Exactly. Exactly. That's what the good times in the NFL were like. But then there's the injuries. There's the contract negotiations when they tell you, you're not what you used to be. You're not good. Yeah, the devaluing. And which it plays such a role on our mental health. But we don't know it at the time. Right. And you go from when we were young telling us what the greatest things since sliced bread to when we're older that you just ain't got anymore. And this is why we're going to pay you crumbs. And I think, like, all of that, the bad times, it's like sleeping in separate beds or arguing with your boo or, you know, just not being on the same page. So when it was time to walk away from the game, I mean, I knew it was, I knew it was here. Like, I remember seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. It was brighter than ever. But I still didn't want to have that conversation with her. It was like, and it's like football came to me and she was like, and Nate, can we talk? And you know when you hear that as a man. It's like something that's the real deal. Yeah, we got to talk. Damn, what did I do? And she basically said, the NFL basically said, I found someone else. He's younger. He's faster. He's more athletic. He's cheaper. And I'm happy with him. And I'm happy. And it was, that's when it sank in. Yeah. I had to look at the league and just say, it was fun while it lasted. And then also had things that I could fall back on. So, right. There's also talking about the second act. When you have something that you can look forward to, it makes it easier to deal with, like a breakup. Like we all deal with when we play our last game. It's tough, though, as a player, when your career abruptly ends in, you don't have a next chapter to go to. Yeah. Yeah. So while was it important for you to start the media, like right away, I know for me, I did a little bit of media. I wish I would have did more like you did, like in the off seasons and things like that. I went, I worked for spot, but I went and I worked for Fox Sports. I remember that. I remember that. And I thought I was terrible. Yeah. And I was trying to get these reps and everything. Yeah. I wish I envy you because you said you, you were going and you were getting all these reps. You knew doing all these things. Yeah. And I wasn't as prepared as I should have been. So why do you think it was important for you to go and get all these reps during the off season? I just knew one, if I was in the building, these execs and producers will get to know me. Yeah. And when somebody knows you, you're much more than just a talent. Like when they bring on athletes, it's just like your football guy talking football. But if they know me, it's your Nate Burleson, the football player talking football. Yeah. And they want to help me out. And they want to make it work. Sure. I mean, they're a little bit more honest with me. I remember I had a bad show. I was working for the NFL Network. In my head, I had a bad show stumbled through a few lines. And I just took the long way to answer some questions. I just wasn't sharp. And afterwards, the producers came by as we were walking to the locker room at the NFL Network. And he was like, hey, good job. Good job, everybody. Good job. You pat me on the back. Good job. Don't tell me it's a good job. I didn't do a good job. Yeah. And he's like, no, I'm just saying I was like, yeah, but don't do that. Like, I'm used to coaching. Yeah. You know, we're coming from the football field. It's a huge thing. Just be honest. And it also like, you don't want me to get into a place where I feel like mediocrity is acceptable. Yeah. And so I can like BS my way through it or not prepare and just show up. And I think from there, it's shifted. So now they started like, they started coaching up Nate Burleson who's talking football versus always high five in the football player because he's in studio. Yeah. And I've seen that before with athletes. It's like, you know, you see him at one point in their media career and then five years later, there isn't much growth. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like it's not necessarily an athlete. If you're telling me he's doing a good job or five years straight, he's never going to change or approach yourself. It's so hard to get honest feedback. Yeah. In this side of the business, unless like you're saying, you build those relationships and now they're going to be open and honest with you. And then you can actually have real growth. Because the biggest thing is when, and in this space for me is that, I'm always trying to ask like, all right, how is that? How is this? And I know I try to look at myself and that's another part of it. But when you don't honestly know, because you don't even know what they're looking for. Right. Right. You have no idea. And you don't know your voice. No. Right. Like you have no idea. And you know, you try to be like what you see on TV and guys that are in the building. And so, you know, one day I come in and, and I'm just like, all right, I'm going to be like, like Deon and Irv. You know what I mean? Because they were in the building. So I'm coming in. I'm all hype. And I'm talking a little bit of passing like Irv, dude. I'm dressing friends like Deon. And I'm like, yeah, but I'm not them though. Yeah. Like, so why am I trying to be then? I'm like, okay, I see Marshall Fall. You know, he's more of intellectual type. So let me just come in and, and you know, focus on the pontification. And make sure that they, you know, when I'm talking about these words that, it's more elaborate and articulate. And I was like, that's not me. Isn't that it? So what is my voice? And then surely, shortly after that, I started to realize who I am, which is a kid from the West Coast who loves sports, music, movies, pop culture, who loves art, who can write. Like, that's who you are. That's your voice. And the more I displayed that, the more receptive the viewers were. You can see it though, too. And I think it's authentic. So you are, well, not, you're not a self-proclaimed, but your wife calls you and from what I've learned about you, is that you are creative. I am a creative. I'm married to a creative. Yeah, I know. So you know, I get a brand all over the place. I'll count all over the place. You're kind of dimdling in this. Yeah, I'm looking at that. We got all these brand ideas. It's really grand ideas. You're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, I get it. You're so accurate. So accurate. That's a great one. So, I want you to really dive into this, this mantra you use about open your eyes. And you, you're touring your ACL after one of your best seasons, and I think that was enough. And you were down in Birmingham, you went to Dr. M. You were doing some drinking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you realized, man, like, it's a slippery slope. That's a fact. And how fast to get easy, just go away. Yeah. When you start to get in your own head. Yeah. And you're not using that energy and putting it into other things. And you're talking about open your eyes. And I want to get this quote right. You talked about how all the beautiful things around you, the support system, the people that you had that were actually there helping you. And how bright today really is. Yeah. And so, maybe you could share with us how you still use that mantra about open your eyes. And every day you, so maybe you were out with it now. Yeah, for sure. I remember going to Birmingham, Dr. Andrews, World Renowned, Dr. and he did both of my knee surgeries. He's a beast. He's a beast. He's a beast. I remember I was sitting in there just depressed and he comes in. He had a little country. And he's like, hey, son, you're going to be all right. And I don't know in that moment, I was like, oh, yeah, I am going to be all right. But I wasn't, though, because it was my first major injury. Yeah. And you know, when you have that type of injury, first you start thinking about if you're going to be the same when you come back, or run as fast, jump as high as you play as well, being explosive. Right. And then, you know, the actual procedure happens. And I'm in Alabama recovering. My family is still in Seattle. My kids are in school, so the wife is holding down the fort. And I remember listening to the game on the radio because it's Alabama. They don't play sea ox games. And I just so desperately wanted them to say my name. Like, I don't know why. I just, like, I want to miss you. Yeah, I want them to say, like, man, you know, you know, thoughts with them. Got you want them to like, just focus on me. That's that, that selfishness that I was used to. And, I think you might have said something in the beginning, but it was quick. Hey, Nate Burlesons out. Next guy up. That was it. The entire game, they didn't mention my name. And I don't know why they made me so sad. Because I think it's said in, it's sankin' that they're going to move on without you. Yeah. Like, they are going to move on without you. That's the name of the game. Right. So, you know, the first day I come back after being cleared from, like, using my medication, like, let me get a Vocassoda. And, uh, drink my little Vocassoda. Next day, I'm like, yo, make it a double. You know, saying a few days later, I'm like, hey, just fill up the cup on a way. No ice, man. Just lie to my little honey. And then, like, a week later, I remember going to him, like, hey, yo, uh, here go, honey. Can you just send a bottle up tomorrow? Yeah. And I remember sipping, vodka, on ice, and drowning my emotions in alcohol. And I've never had an issue drinking, um, but in that moment, I feel like I was close to the edge. Yeah. I was either going to drink myself into a stupor or create some habits that will follow me for the rest of my life. And I woke up, fully dressed. I'm a pajama guy, you know, hoop and t-shirts, t-shirt, and hoop shorts and t-shirt when I go to sleep. And I had all of my clothes on from the day before, and my shoes, with my braids on, like, on top of the sheets. Yeah. And I was sleeping still. And I remember waking up and I kind of like, came too, as if I was, like, sitting up in the caskets. Like, what I felt like. Yeah. Like, the undertaker facts. Um, it was wild, like, my arms were, like, crossed. Yeah. So, oh, yeah, he was used, yeah. I felt like, I felt like, I was in a casket. Yeah. He was trying to start stinking, like, a creative like, is this, am I reading too much into this? Or do I need to read more into what just happened? Yeah. I blacked out, woke up, completely dressed like the day before, when my arms crossed over my test, like, I'm sitting in the casket. What are you gonna do, Nate? And I remember pouring the vodka out, putting it in the trash, and I was like, bro, let's rehab. Lock in. Let's get busy. Like, yeah. You got enough hurtles that you got to get over, or got enough obstacles, you gotta get around, let's not put alcohol in the mix, you know what I'm saying? And that's when I got focused, and I came back from my ACL, I'm like six months, it was extremely fast. So that was a turning point, because I either had to sit in this like state of depression and feel sorry for myself, or I can open my eyes and realize like, not only do I have a great support system, but I got everything I need to get back healthier and even stronger, and that's what I decided to do. Hey, this is Mike Wright from the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty podcast, you heard that right. The fantasy footballers have officially entered the dynasty space. Every week we bring you the same in-depth analysis and entertainment you've come to expect from the fantasy footballers only now from a dynasty perspective. Maybe you've been living in the dynasty, fantasy football space for a while. 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And reporting to you live on the CBS Morning News show where I'm Charles Toman, and we're going to be talking like that. That's how you talk, that's how you talk, though. And it's, it's no secret. It ain't no joke. No doubt about it. You're right about that. Did you, did you get any flak or any pushback or backlash about just you being you because you, you have your voice. Yeah, right. Yeah, you said you found it. So this is, this is you. Was there any backlash? Like talk about that. I remember talking to Strahan shortly after taking the job. And he said, you know, go in there and try to find your voice right away. Also realize like there's a lot of people that love that you're there, but there's a lot of people that don't want you there. Right. And those people are also working for CBS. Basically saying that there's individuals that they don't want another football player. They don't want Kirkland, Branch, Strahan, taking a seat when there are experienced journalists that have been waiting for that seat to open for years. Some decades. So there was a hyper awareness. And it's got to be a good vet move to come out there and tell you that. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. No doubt. Yeah, and it gives me some sensitivity to people I work with and come in with my chest all out. You know, I understand what it looks like. Yeah. To earn your respect by what I do and the work that I put in. But I did have some struggles though initially finding my voice because when I came in, like, all right, this is news. It is different. And everybody kept telling me like, yo, this is news. You can't dress like you typically dress, which I don't really get because that's who you are. Yeah, but it's not like on Sundays, I wear like pimping can suits or something. You know what I mean? Right. I wear regular suits, but you know, there were a few people that were like, hey, you know, you can't dress loud on this show. I'm like, when have you? Are you talking about stuff about where 20 years ago when I was on the road playing against the Green Bay Packers? Yeah. And my suit was green. What is that? Yeah, what is loud? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And you got to be a little bit more traditional because I speak with, you know, like we all do with our hair and our look and our cut and our swag and how we dress and walk and talk. Yeah. So initially I came in and I was wearing a bunch of browns and blacks and navy suits. Like it was very blah. And even my voice and delivery was different when I first joined because I thought that's what they wanted. And that's what they needed. And I was doing the same thing. Hey, how you doing? This is Nate Burleson. And we are here this morning. It's good to see you guys. We have a traffic accident on the freeway. And it's like, that ain't you. That's not me. Yeah. So one day I took all the suits I had in my office. And I put them in a bag, took them home. I replaced all those suits with suits that I have in my closet at home and brought them to work. And I walked in with a brighter color suit. It was like a deep red or something like that. I had my flat top with like a cranberry. It was like a cranberry. Yeah. And immediately my voice was different. Yeah. It was crazy. I got comfortable in my own skin. My delivery was different. Even the way I set, even my body language was different. So it took a few months for me to find my voice. And I feel like, I'm at a good place. And shout out to Gil, because I remember walking in with that type of suit. And she kind of looked at me and was like, about time. Oh, yeah. About time. Okay. And I was like, okay. Yeah. This is where I'm at with it. Yeah. But yeah, it takes time. I'm for sure. For sure. So now being in that position now, has any other players like reached out who are in the media say, football and they're trying to get over into like the news side of it. Have they reached out to you or have you like mentor? Like, look, here's what y'all should be doing. Of course. You're going to get my number when I leave. 100%. Okay. We got to tap in. Listen, we have to be each other's biggest fans. Period. And, you know, I'm not just here to get in this position and close the door behind me. I want to kick this damn door down. Yeah. So we can walk into the spaces that we want to walk into. But yeah, guys have reached out. And I told them the same things that I learned early on was one reps. But two, force your way into these other spaces. Because when I was doing Good Morning Football, I was grinding away three hours of TV a day, live TV, which is crazy. Yeah. And then, you know, way harder. Yeah. Yeah, no doubt about it. And then I, But if that's all you know, that's all you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have those reps on the run and on the fly and live TV, you're, it's like a heightened sense of like being on, on point. But then I, I started to strategically put myself in different spaces. And that's why I joined Extra to do entertainment. Now it's not necessarily hardcore news, but we do tackle hardcore topics. So they might be more celebrity driven, but it's the same type of concept. You know, we're talking about celebrity news and sometimes the crossover between politics and death and tragedy happens. So people were able to see me in a completely different light. Yeah. They were like, oh wait, like Nate, you can do entertainment. Oh, he's tackling, you know, politics because we're doing a story about Obama meeting the Super Bowl champions. And he's, he's speaking about it so eloquently like that. I think that right there got the attention of CBS. And they were able to see that. You know, I remember going over to the digital side of the CBS building, and they wanted to do a hit talking about the opening season schedule. And I remember something somebody told me a long time ago, microphones are always on. Yeah. Good and bad. So watch what you say, but also take advantage when they're on. And I was over there and we were talking about the season and what games I'm looking forward to and what games CBS had. But in between the takes, I was just sparking conversation about stuff that I knew they didn't know about me. I knew they didn't, they didn't know I owned the restaurant or that my financial advisor and I helped athletes invest money or that I started a few clothing lines or that I had interest in poetry. So I was just like throwing this stuff out there, starting conversation. And by the time I left, I remember one of the producers was like, hey, Nate, you know, kind of look back. What's up? He's like, hey, would you mind coming back at some point and talking about all that other stuff? Not just football. And I was like, yeah, yeah. Of course. And I just kind of gave myself a fist pump because like that, that was the point. It was strategically done. Yeah. Sometimes, you know, we assume that people know more about us than they do. Right. But in reality, all they care about is that we play ball. Right. And that's fine. You know, we've been playing ball a whole lot. So we almost have to force their hand and show them. So the strategy came with little moments like that where I was able to step outside that box. And that's the advice I give to these guys like I know the comfortable thing is talking about sports, but flex all your muscles. For sure. Like we all have all these interests. Yeah. Nobody knows. Yeah. So that's the best advice I can get to those guys. So the wolf management, the clothing line, the restaurant, poetry, art, you have so much interest. What would you call it earlier? Oh, he's creating. He's creating. So you were crazed to turn the audience into headless brave to like no doubt. So I can already see you and how you are and everything, but like how do you focus on what to do? Because you got the TV, I'm sure you got to prepare and work on that because that's your full time. Nine to five. But yet you also, but yet also you got all these other interests. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And then you got kids and you want to be a dad. You got to be a husband. Yeah. You know, like so that's, that's a lot of time to, okay, I got job, I got work, but my creative side in this and that, I have the apparent and sports and basketball games and like, what, what am I doing? Like how do you manage all that? I'm doing a better job of managing it now when I first moved out to New York about seven eight years ago now, did terrible job of managing it. I couldn't. I said yes to everything because I was like, man, it's my opportunity to show you how versatile I am. I'm saying yes to everything and I wasn't getting paid a ton to do it, but I knew if I got the reps and I got the exposure, eventually I get to a point where I can say no to things. But because I didn't know how to manage being a husband, a father, a coach, juggling multiple jobs, like I remember one day waking up and like little patches were missing in my beard. I'm like, damn, am I using the wrong like facial soap or lotion or something? And then before you knew it, big patches were going and then my entire beard was gone. That bald naked and you know, black men with no mustache, no beard. Can't trust. Okay. Yeah. Got a little bit. Thomas got a little. Thomas got a little stuff. Thomas got a little stuff. Thomas got a little stuff. Thomas got a little stuff. Thomas got a little stuff. Thomas got a little stuff. Thomas got a little stuff. You got a little bit, a little bit. But mom's butt naked all the way around though. So I remember going to a dermatologist and it started as her just diagnosed with the diagnosed. And then it turned into a therapy session. She's like, all right, you have alopecia to do the stress. Your body's reacting. And this is its way of fighting. Oh, wow. And now I'm like, okay, that's where she's like, do you have history alopecia? Like, nope. So run the family. Nope. And then she's like, what's different in your life? I'm like, oh, man. Start a new job. You know, I used to play. I used to play. That breath. Yeah. I'm starting job. Wait, wait for somebody. Yeah. Wait. That deep exo. Yeah. Got a new job. I got a new job. Yeah. Got a new job. Yeah. I'm waking up at 4 a.m. And she's just kind of listening. And I'm like, I used to have another job and I used to wake up at, you know, 7 or 8. And she didn't understand football. She's like, oh, I don't really follow football. I'm like, well, waking up at 4 a.m. is one thing. Moving to the East Coast is another thing. But also this job. I just really want to be good at it, man. And she's like, oh, well, that's it. You're stressed out because of your job. You're worrying and you're not embracing, you know, how much this means to you. I was like, no, no, no, I'm not stressed. You know, now my ego's kicking out and you're defensive. Yeah. I'm not stressed. What are you talking about? And I'm like, no, my old job. I used to have these linebackers and safeties they used to try to like break me in half. Like, that was stressful. And I'm like smiling as I'm telling her that part. And she's like, no, like, look at the joy when you talk about football. That didn't stress you out. It might have been difficult. But you loved this new job. When you started talking about that, you weren't smiling. And she was like, you have to figure out how to balance your energy. And if you do a better job doing that, your beard will come back. And sure enough, I did. I started to focus and just be a little bit more strategic. And not saying yes to everything, you know, because when we leave the game, it's like we feel like we have to say yes to everything to prove to everybody that I'm so much more than a football player. Yeah. But then I figured out that that was detrimental. And I had to be a little bit more selective. Man, I mean, you just gave us a lot. And I love that too, right? Is learning how to balance your energy. Yeah. Everybody uses it in different terms or are found in your inner peace or whatever that may be. But balancing your energy because you naturally have a lot of things going on naturally. For sure. That's your type. Yeah. But, you know, I will use that when I get home as well. You know, balancing. Balance. Yeah, yeah. I can probably do a better job of balancing my energy. I think my kids are like, Dad, you're always serious all the time. I was like, but I'm not. But yeah, ever since here, you say that. Yeah. I think that's going to be. That's going to be. You can't say serious all the time. Yeah. Because I'm always like the authoritative like, but I know me. And I'm like, I'm the jokes are like, I'm always playing pranks. And I'm always telling jokes like, but. But you're the authoritative figure in the household. Correct. Correct. So when the hand comes down, it's usually you do this. Do this. Do that. Yeah. Yeah. Because way to your dad gets home. Yeah. I've been hearing that forever. I'm a dude and I'm going to try to, you know, be more. Be more fun loving. Yeah. A little more balanced. A little more balanced. This is something I want to know from you. Yeah. And that is like, all right. After you're in a half end of CBS in the morning. Mm-hmm. How, where is your comfort level in that out now? I'm really comfortable. You dress. You dress is going there. Really comfortable. I feel really helped you out with that thought. Of course. That's probably huge. Yeah, yeah. It's huge. That's big. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I mean, just, I like that. Yeah. I also have an idea. I never liked that. I don't like that but I liked that. I never liked sand but I think. Yeah. Because of, you know, how I see myself on here. I feel like I'm being. What's next as well. That's a good question. We always naturally like what's next. We think about what's next. Yes. Yeah. I think my comfort also came in the form of the team I'm working with. So at CBS Mornings, I didn't realize that you had drawn, like, a team of people, your assistant, producers. Yeah. I didn't know. Like, I came from... Good morning little boy. Yeah. but they weren't like our son and you assigned to me. So I remember getting there, yeah, and they was like, okay, so who do you want your assistant to be? I'm like, I get an assistant. Yeah, so the producers are gonna start putting in their names to work with you. I'm like, they're gonna work with me alone. They're like, yeah, to tell your stories. So when I go sit with Bill Russo or Frank O'Hare, Rest in Peace to both of them, or Obama or Michael J. Fox or Barry Gordy, it's a team of people that have put together these stories. So I can tell any story I want. As long as I pitch it and we can build out the characters as we call it in TV, and then we can execute it. And I just like, for a long time, I didn't realize that. I'm like, damn, like more than news is a completely different animal when it comes to storytelling, especially at CBS. It's the one thing they hang their hat on. So that's why I'm extremely comfortable. And then as far as what's next, I have a production company, it's called Watch, which is an acronym for We Are the Culture House. We have a few projects that we want to launch. You know, I want to start doing work behind the camera as well as an executive producer of some projects. I'm gonna start with a docu-series, focus on sports and athletes, not just on the field, but also what they do off of it. And then just continue to flex my creative muscles. Continue to write. There's a few shows that I pitched, that were loosely based around my life. I've got a couple of nibbles at it, but nothing has landed. So just want to do more. Continue to expand and grow and step outside this box. So speaking of shows, I'm a fan of SNL. Watch it. It's a great show, great show. So what's a bigger thrill? So SNL did a parody of it. I remember that. And you also got recognized by Al Pacino on the red card. So bigger thrill. You did a good voice over too, Al Pacino. Yes, yes, yes. You tried to do a decent job. Being recognized with Al Pacino. SNL was fired. Don't get me wrong. I was crazy. It was right before the Super Bowl. I think it was Chris Redd. Yeah. And he had these funky little braids in. He had the Tyler Perry braids that he had in his movies. I thought that was fired. But Al Pacino though, like I was working for extra time. I think it was the Irishman. Yeah. And you know, I'm just like, I've got four hours. For our movie, long movie. So I'm just doing my thing. You know, I talked to Nero and a few other people that I'm starting in it. And then I'm like, Hey, Al, can I talk to you? Comes over and I'm like, you know, just humbly. Hey, how you doing? My name is, yeah, I know who you are. Nice to meet you. And I'm like, wait, you know why I am? Yeah, yeah, you play receiver. Yeah, yeah, you do the football show. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. And I'm at the immediately I'm sweating. Like back in my knees and sweating. And I'm like nervous. Yeah, I'm like, yo, this is crazy. I had to like collect myself. I look at our cameraman. I'm like, you know, just give me a second. Like, I'm a spichino. Are you for real? He's like, yeah, I'm a big football fan. And I'm like, yo, this is wild right now. And then I got back into my mode as a profession on interview them. And so yeah, that's pretty cool, man. So people that you look at and you've seen all their movies recognize you, they're sweet. All right. That's what I'm saying. This is something, Pena, I would love to know who's got the most at all of us. You probably do, but how many pairs of shoes you got? Oh, I saw Nate Robinson. Yeah, that's the crib. Yeah. You brought out some heat. I got some heat. You got some heat. I would say about, do you have a number count in your head? Yeah, I think I got like 400 shoes. 400 shoes. This tennis shoes or dress shoes? Tennis shoes, dress shoes. All my dress shoes are upstairs in my closet. My tennis shoes and kicks are downstairs in my sneaker room. So yeah, I love kicks. I've always loved kicks. That's kind of like my thing, man. Yeah. And you don't change sizes for a long time. Yeah, yeah, that's the fact. Yeah, that Nike deal you was able to. You know what I mean? That's what a boat like, I did a lot of that before I retired. I spent like thousands of dollars on that Nike account. I just like, I loaded up everything. Me too. Me too. Me too. I loaded up on it. And they were young and I was like, you getting the size. Six, wide, seven, wide, eight wide. See, that's more. I didn't do that. I did all that for my kids. I should have got all these sizes, knowing that it was going to come one day. Yeah, that's what I did. So I didn't have the buy shoes for a minute. I was like, no, I just got it all myself. No. But my boys, my sons, one, six, three, one, six, four. There was a brief moment where my middle child, me and my, who's 17 now, he was like in seventh grade, big old foot. He's the size 12. And he's like, Dad, can I wear shoes, school? And I was like, cool. It's fine, son. So he picked like one of my like exclusive LeBronk kicks. Man, boy, came back. Them things are so beat up. I was like, what was you doing, bro? He's like, oh, man, it was like a gladiator day of school. He's like, bro, we played a Super Bowl. We had a basketball game and then a soccer. And then we also played kickball. And my first of all, how long were you guys outside? My shoes was beat up. And I said, anyway, here's the thing, man. You know, I love you. But unless you learn how to respect my shoes, you will never put on another pair ever. Not happen. And that was the lesson of the day was like, this is how we take care of shoes, move before. Yeah, I'm still like that with my son. They already know it don't touch my stuff, because they do not. Are they your son? No, they're not my son. They're just like anything that we have, like they don't have as soon as going to happen soon. I'm trying to have a favorite pair. Yeah, yeah, the Concord, Jordan Levin. Yeah, yeah. I'm warning you today. I'm a Lozans. Yeah, that's the thing, man. I'm the Blacks, I'm the Blacks. Yeah, I like the Blacks, all Blacks, all Blacks. The Space Jam was. The Space Jam was a five. So I like to get married, I'm a Concord. You can get married, you can get married, you can get married, if you can go on a course and hoop and then wear it to a prom, come on, bro. You're going to want to talk, what are you going to do with us? Wait, you can do anything in the competition. It's a fire, kid. Yeah, yeah, it's a fire, kid. I guess the final question we have for today is, you know, you've had a successful life, an amazing career, and you're continuing to just kill it. Who would be on your personal Mount Rushmore? People that have had just influence in you, people that have mentored you, helped you along the way, helped you along this journey, helped you to get you where you are right now. I would say one of my mom and dad, they have been my biggest supporters on and off the field, and they've always, they've always seen more in me than I've seen in myself. So I have to shout them out, and it's just staying within the family circle for right now, my wife. She, former track star, she won indoor hurdles as a senior, she's a champion, graduated, then graduated with her masters, beautiful woman, really had the world in front of her, and put everything on hold to follow me, chase this dream of the NFL. So if she wasn't married to me, she'd probably be some woman running some Fortune 500 company, but, you know, she put all of her dreams on the shelf. So without her support, I don't think I'd be here. But as far as like men that have, like men or women that have been there as a support system, straight hand has always been there, because there's these comparisons that happen, and he has constantly told me, you're different than me. Be different, you know, you don't have to try to be like me. And if you're different, and you're better in the areas that you bring to the table, that I can't bring to the table, this business is gonna open up his doors to you. Yeah. And I always thought that was dope, because it wasn't like, there's only room in this town for one of us, you know. It was the opposite. It was like, I'm gonna make room for you, which is why I wanna make room for everybody else. Gail, Gail has been such an influence, and she's just a dope woman, because she's constantly trying to build people up and allow them to grow. Like, so she'll have assistance in producers, but as soon as she feels like they have kind of reached their peak where they are, she's like, leave the nest. And I'll be the first one to stamp your approval. Anywhere, I'll be the one that, yeah, gives the recommendations. Yeah. You know, instead of just like hogging all the talent, she puts the talent on, and then allows them to leave and grow. And then just like, I think collectively, you know, and I said it at the beginning, and I'll say it again, it's the brotherhood of the NFL. Like, you know, when I said that, I've seen you guys as athletes on the field, but that pales in comparison of what you guys have done at, I truly mean that. And we don't say it enough, but I just love watching y'all work. And that goes for the rest of this fraternity. There's so many men doing great things across all spaces. Yeah. Of course, in football, back into the game, on a low level, like pop one or all the way up until the league, there's guys that are coaches, are assistants, are working four teams that are doing a fantastic job. But from the men that have went into the medical field, law enforcement, the finance world, art, the creatives, I just think like there's no better motivation than knowing that the guys that bled like me gave everything they got, everything they gave to the game, like I did arc sailing in other spaces. And that gives me all the hope in the world to know that we can continue to do whatever we want, man. Football is, it's a beautiful sport. And I don't want to be dismissive of the careers we had because it is like being a rock star with pads on. But if we can do that at a high level, man, we can accomplish anything in this world. No doubt. You know what? No doubt. It's two things I really loved about that whole breakdown. Number one was that, I mean, creatives got their own space. Yes. And that whole description right there. No doubt. No doubt. Law enforcement. Yeah. Creatives are right there, bro. Actors and producers. There's a guy like Matthew Cherry, who's an Oscar winner. He's a director. You know, guys like that that have done such a good job. But I will say this though before I go, I got to hook y'all up with some suits, man. And I mean that in free of charge. So, you know, Baines and Baker is the brand. This is Baines and Baker. That's where I'm gonna buy all my suits now. I've got you. I've got you down. Let me hook you up first. I've got some suits. I've got some suits. I'm not. See, you ain't got to buy them first. I'm gonna hook you up first. I'm just trying to support it. And we do everything from traditional suits. We call this like the Jump Man suit. We have joggers. It was built as a brand to allow guys to look fresh while not overcharging them. You know what I'm saying? Because you guys remember when we first came in? For sure. And then people was. No, the walkers. But the price. The price was killing us. Yeah. And on top of that, they had the women in there. Oh. Yeah. Feeling you up. Get you right. That's a quick thing. Because you're the real professional in this whole business. I want you to wrap the show for us, man. Give us a tell them let it be gone. Speak it to the camera. Let them know. Oh, yeah. Well, listen, man. Are we out of here? I heart radio. You know, this is the main stage for guys like this to give individuals like me, the stage, to show that what we have done in the league, it is a small part of who we are. 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