The Word of NFT God | Decoding Algorithms & Creating 1% Better Newsletter |
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Now the subject is NFT. They're known as non-fungible tokens or
NFTs are floating in popularity. This is a technology that will
ever change the way people interact. So it is happening whether you
understand it and like it or not. You have now joined Jenny from the
blockchain and Michael Keane on the NFT catcher podcast. What's up
everyone and welcome back to another episode of the NFT catcher podcast with me
Jenny from the blockchain and my co-host Michael Keane. For today's
interview we have NFT God joining us. He's known for his Hakes on Twitter and
also his newsletter one percent better. NFC God welcome to the show. It is good
to be here. Happy to be challenging. Yeah yeah we are pumped to have you on. You
have been really popping off on Twitter for a while. I got to let Michael say
something to Michael. What's up what am I trying to say? You I don't know you were
like you had your hand on the mute and I was like oh no no no no I was just
listening dig it in. What's up what's up God. Fuck it anyway anyway. Yeah you've
been popping off on Twitter for a while. I do kind of remember when you first
started really blowing up and you know you were kind of you were loved and then
you're kind of hated for a bit and then you know you've been through your
moments like it's been a bit of a roller coaster I feel like but you know you've
persevered. I think everyone kind of respects you now and you know I mean you've
done a lot on Twitter you've done a lot for people and you know you're very
knowledgeable dude so yeah we're excited to have you on and shout about stuff. I
view it very much as like the Tom Brady arc of his career where when he
start off he won is like in sorry for anyone who doesn't know about sports
hypothesis or just kicking this off of the sports reference. He started
his career won a Super everyone loved them. Then he won like three or four
everyone hated him. Then he won like six and seven. No I know I maybe respect
this guy. So I think it's the arc people like it when you're going up or
people like it when you're going down nothing in between you know. That's true
that is true. How have you dealt with some of the the low points where people
have like just been climbing on you and hating like is there that ticker toll
mentally? Oh yeah without a doubt. I mean no matter what people say
trolling it hurts you every I mean not every time. It hurts you at first like no
matter how much you go into it and you're like oh trolls don't me anything. It
hurts you at first and then you build you build the mental resiliency as long
as you keep good habits but yeah I mean especially where the position I was in
back in January where I got robbed of like $150,000 and hacked and then you
know the crypto space is very interesting where it's the only space where the
victims of crimes are like the bad guys people are so savage yeah it's crazy
like imagine a scenario where like someone's in a car accident they weren't
wearing a seatbelt and they like lost their legs like imagine someone
messaging them like should we wear a seatbelt you idiot you deserve it like
that's what happens in like crypto like oh you were using a hot wallet you
deserved it's like I don't know in the Russian hackers aren't they the bad guys
here I don't know it's also it's always anonymous people that are sending those
messages like that's all garbage yeah kids and people that hate themselves like
why don't you ever even dream of doing that it's not real people so like that's
and no it's got to be hard but it's just someone that wants to make it hard on
you it's not even a real insult it's like it's just stupid it's just
mentally upset yeah nature of Twitter like I don't know before NFTs to like I
feel like Twitter was the place people went to just talk shit like I think Twitter
is more it's just kind of like I don't know people are meaner on Twitter like
that's just like they think it's funny like that's a nature of it I feel like
it's easy to pop off right it's easy to let your emotions get hold you and say
something real wild real quick I mean I I led my emotions get a hold me a
couple days ago I fed a troll and I shouldn't have done it that was come because
I don't know if you can think last few days have been wild on my Twitter and so
the moment you have a wild moment people come out of the bushes so it's been
wow what's been happening so I've been I have a programming background and I've
been writing more about the algorithm lately and that's just all the sudden
caught fire like this has just been something that all of a sudden people really
like to see and so I've leaned into it and writing more and more about the
algorithm and coding and things like that and when you do things and you get
attention people will come out and be like oh you're needed you have no idea
what you're talking about like they just don't like it when other people get
their moment and so you get just people who harass you say crazy shit
threaten you for nothing and the best thing to do is ignore them and I fed a troll
a couple days ago and acknowledge their existence you can't acknowledge their
existence why did that backlash on you when you did you know is there
existence oh yeah for sure okay it backlash as in it only made it bigger not
smaller right when someone says something wild and you address it you hope that
you addressing it shuts it up but when you address a troll it only makes it
bigger and makes them more aggressive that feels to the fire they're like oh
this person let's go like yeah they're ready to find you responded let's go
like you responded got better response let's go yeah that's funny yeah and I mean
well speaking of responses to because yeah I saw the tweet of you know you
saying that you read through like the 13,000 lines of code of the you know
setting the Twitter algorithm and and Elon Musk replied to your tweet saying
like because you know you kind of broke it down on you know the algorithm and kind
of some of your recommendations and he's like oh I agree with a lot of your
recommendations like that's pretty cool I must have felt pretty cool like having
Elon Musk like reply to your tweet yeah I I was pumped it's definitely been as
nerd as it sounds like a life goal mine I just like I look up to him for a lot of
different reasons you know he is advanced technology in a lot of different ways
my backgrounds technology so I really respect him and to get the response to
get a response is like oh he's good good recommendations it meant a lot
especially because he responded to someone who like plagiarized my content like
two days earlier and he responded the plagiarizer like oh god damn it this is
crazy so two days later get the response was that was cool that's probably
about as big a response as you can get from anybody oh yeah like you're
else would you know who else would it be that you would want to respond to your
tweet on X no one that's the that's the credit on X yeah to respond to your
X X are we calling you X now no I still like to
go back to what do you think does he have something going with this X dot com
that's gonna be this everything app you don't need all the other apps I think
should I agree I think he definitely has something going on here I think he
had to change the name from Twitter because he clearly has like a different
paradigm he's trying to shift into which is like this everything app with
payments and all this which I think it's a genius move I think he's going to
create the creator economy where people are going to be putting their money on
this app people are going to be creating content on this app it only makes
sense that money to be going to creators as they help with the app and create
cool content so no I think he definitely has something the name is wild and
everyone's talking about it but I think that is a good sign and is a good thing
if everyone's talking about it how did he get X dot com you bought it like 30
years ago and that was actually the first name of PayPal PayPal's first name was
oh shit and eventually changed the PayPal so he had just X dot com for like 30
years I mean he always dreamt of having like his big company be called X so
that's how it played out I actually like just hit an X enter I'm sorry I didn't
cut you off Jenny when I want to go to Twitter on my computer X enter pretty
nice I still search Twitter I mean I have I have like freaking a million tabs
so it's just like one of my tabs but I'll still search Twitter like I do I
still do T enter because I'm still doing it I need to look up what is what it
Elon must like created PayPal or what was it again yeah he helped find the
Yale found PayPal I mean it's originally called X and then eventually changed
to PayPal and he's just been sitting on for the last like 30 years if you
went to X dot com it was just a white screen with the letter in Roman numerals X
in the top left hand now is it when when was when was PayPal that was in like
the early 2000s late 90s early 2000s right because I remember Jenny was she
she still had her pacifier when that was happening well it's probably the same
it is me all of you I'm 33 that's it all kind of I'm 20 I was selling things on
eBay when I was first having an honestly PayPal was very revolutionary PayPal's
kind of like the first cryptocurrency was the first digital way we had to send
people money like to buy little things like that back and forth it was the
first my eBay was revolutionary like yeah on the baseball card stores you
know what I mean and things like that like yeah that was his first break I got
my started a ticket broker on eBay that was his first break was when I think
eBay invested or bought PayPal and he was like that was his first fortune he I
think he made I mean some people told me he might have came from a fortune I
don't either way he helped find PayPal right we made money for sure I think his
dad gave him some money I there's a lot of weird like they say his dad
on this emerald mind and in a part that South Africa and then it's like we
I don't get into I don't think he's a human or do you think like he's from
another planet or like maybe like a reptilian or something I think out of all
the potential reptilians in politics and business I think he's one of the least
likely to be a reptilian because he's the one I think he calls out the
reptilian behavior but Zuck is definitely a reptilian yeah but the thing with
the thing with muskis he is kind of a troll and when he's been asked about
aliens and stuff he goes well if they are here they're pretty discrete like
that's a true if you're an alien if you're an alien that's what you would say
but I feel like human beings are the like lizards don't troll I don't think
aliens trolls I think human trolling is a human being characteristic the fact
that he's such a good troll I think that's what like the biggest indicator
of all the potential reptilians he's the most likely to be human okay okay yeah
maybe you want to be what I think he is what he's like secretly not like yeah
that's a nice level you're just a shield you're just a shield for Elon after the
the response now listen he responded to me again yesterday right and I pushed
back on him in that response I was scared I was actually gonna get banned I
I pushed back so I wrote a post that was like we need to get rid of like the
social credit score I wrote like a thread about what's called sweep cred which
is like the variable in the code that is like your average your threat I
wanted to ask about those kind of interesting reply and he said oh we're just
going to make that all the same value and I'm like Elon if you did that
wouldn't that like get rid of all content moderation if everyone was just
viewed like equally like I had the same exact reputation like to shouldn't
you isn't there a line like one advertisers leave if like you just let like
crazy trolls just say what they want and he didn't respond I'm like maybe this
is too far maybe I shouldn't be pushing back maybe you thought about it like you
know maybe I don't know I was like maybe I shouldn't push back against the
smartest human being in the world but I think you you'd be you might be a good
hire for him yeah what the heck that's not a bad idea I just say you can be
the algorithm transparency what is it vibes there what's the what's the thing
director of the director of the algorithm director of the algorithm
transparency I listen don't get me wrong if you offered Elon he listen he
listens he listens to this the reason I'm doing this podcast I know he's been a
long time listening I knew it I knew that's why you said yes to us yeah to get
Elon's ears why I'm on this podcast be quite honest with you okay I want to
bring it back because I need to find out you know how you got into Web3 and I
do kind of I'm a bit curious about your background prior to Web3 as well
because I mean you're you're an incredible writer I'm kind of curious about
you're writing background so I guess a lot but let's just start with like your
Web3 background yeah my Web3 background started in March of 2021 when I read a
news article on sandbox you know a sandboxes I read like I think they I think
they probably wrote the article because it was just very bullish on them I'm like
99% sure is they like paid someone else anyway I'm like a big nerd at heart like
I'm a gamer and all that and so the article was about this like digital world
where you can create anything you want and then like you actually own it like
it's yours to own and you can monetize and sell or whatever and like I was just
blown away like I was blown away that you could own like digital assets like that
concept just never came into my head and like you know I've played every game
under the sun I played Minecraft World of Warcraft all that and the fact that I
could build something in that game and own it like just blew my mind and so I
bought like five plots of land I bought like the sand token it was at like
13 cents it was like my greatest investment in crypto history because it went
up like nine dollars eventually did you sell though I sold at four or five
dollars so I'm like fuck this I sold it like four or five so I bought the land
I bought the coin really dumb move I just bought that and then I was like a
sandbox maxi for like another nine months I didn't look at any other projects I
didn't know board API like board a yacht club minted like a month later and if I
just like stayed engaged in like the market I would be like really rich right
now it should be awesome I'd love to be really rich and so I would just said
you would have just had more taken so it's all right yeah you know oh damn Michael
inspired everything happens for a reason it would have been horrible you're all
hundred percent stake what if you would add ten eight staken that was that yeah
hundred percent correct maybe I would not be playing in that sandbox by the way
Andy and I were buying all those drops in this spring and summer of 2021 but
but also maybe I would have had better wallet security if I had like ten
yeah I know yeah I know we never know we never know the outcome should I
could have what I know I just broke it's hard I just broke it's all right there is
Michael there's nothing you can say right now that I haven't heard but yeah
I'm telling on Twitter trust me there's nothing you I literally wrote a thread
this morning on like how that event influenced me and one of the first
comments was change your PFPU grifter like you would trust me there's and also I
own the PFPU I bought it back for 30,000 so I still oh my god you come into
Miami this weekend I am not I'm not no I just I don't know where you're at this
this might be offensive to something I just don't have like interest in going to
like an NFT party you never been to NFT events I've been NFT NYC because I live
in NYC but like I'm not like flying across the country to go to like a bar to
hang out with well okay what there is a bunch of other events happening or
you're just like none into the whole like I go I think you wouldn't come down to
our basil of Miami and I would I would I would I for like a bar like I don't
I go to NFT NYC and once I make enough money to afford to fly all over the world
like I'm gonna go to like Lisbon and all those but like I'm not gonna go to like a
bar it's like for a mutiny party like you'd be a local slab though everyone does
oh my god and if you go on like is it like that is tweeting being a popular
tweeter is that like oh my god it's NFT god oh yeah no if I mean shit if I saw
you walk sit anywhere people freak out so let's she just I'm also very like I
have like my jagged it's a jet even the boxy with my dude like I'm very obnoxious
about it but I love that shit like I love if other people are like that like if
you were wearing your moon jagged or something I'd be like oh my god I didn't see
god like I follow you like I don't know I think that's cool this is why I had to
buy it back for $30,000 a picture of it on the wall ladies I can't like so I kind of broke
up the story but I had to buy it back I can't have that painting up there and then I'll buy it back
but either way so I go that I go like nine months without paying attention to the
mark I'm like just super sandbox maxi and then December 2021 like I start like looking around
to see what there is and I find I learn more about board eight yacht club and all that and
there's rumors there's a coin coming and I saw all the free shit everyone was getting that was
now worth tens of thousands of dollars and I'm like maybe I want to buy this because this
would get me a whole bunch of free stuff that I can sell and make money off of this could be
cool and so I bought I had the money for it it was like $27,000 at the time it was like 11th floor
and I had I think like 5,000 that liquid eat the rest was cash the wake coin base works like you
got to wait like four days or something to buy the eat so my friend lend me like $25,000 like
drop the dime sends me to I buy the eight the muni I'm sitting on like I just spent
$30,000 in this fucking ugly picture of a cartoon monkey I got to do something about this
and so I start the Twitter account I I think okay like what's the most obnoxious name humanly
possible I can make for this the first choice was NFT Jesus but that was taken and so the second
choice was NFT God and so I rolled with that and just started tweeting and getting involved
the community and you know trading ugly pictures of cartoon monkeys and animals and that's the
that's how I got into web 3 that's awesome do you still trade or you kind of are you just kind
of using that as your you know face but not doing too much I stopped trading after I got a hack
like I just all motivation to actively trade like I'm going to still invest I still hold like 10
different NFTs and I'm saving up for this piece of art I really want like I really want a couple
of different art blocks but like I don't plan on trading them I'm not going to right right I'm not
going to do the whole trade like hope like make a profit because one I got hacked but two it just
seems like a really stupid thing to do like I haven't heard of one single story of the last like
six months of anyone making money on trade so I'm just not going to get definitely so when you
got hacked I mean first of all like bags it's fucking sucks so bad like we had crypto novel on and
you was kind of you know talking about when you got hacked and like man it was just heartbreaking
here and but you know after that like I have to imagine that you know after kind of the period of
just being released sad about it like I just feel like you probably got super motivated like
did I really motivate you to just like make more money and try to just like go harder yeah it
motivated me to like so I started building a business right around that time right so you know I
just tweeted for my first year I was just tweeting and trying to grow my following and grow my newsletter
but around that time I started building my business business which was more like my newsletter
business where I was selling sponsorships and newsletter I was building community if like you
paid for like the premium newsletter you get in the community and so that happened right when I was
doing that just like start building that business and yeah it you know first few days are really
tough it's really tough you know losing a tremendous amount of money and then being shot on by a lot
of people but then you know you you pick yourself up and you're like okay how do I handle it from
here and I I did use it to to motivate me and grow and then you know a few months later I quit my
job I was in the tech industry I happened to go into my background talk a little about the writing
side but I quit my job and start doing this full time and building and now you know five or
six months later the business is doing better than it's ever done and so you know I look back
I do I do feel like I wouldn't be here I where I am right now without that event and getting hacked
well yeah I mean I would love to hear about your your backgrounds like in tech and writing as
well before let me yeah so I full tech background studied computer science in college was a software
developer then she moved into tech consulting and then right before I quit I was in leadership at a
public software company great job I was achieving all my career goals but my ultimate life goal
was to build something on my own and so from the that's my kind of career background from my
uh writing backgrounds I've always just loved writing my entire life like when I was five my
parents bought me like a typewriter and I would just write short stories and stuff on the typewriter
and you know as I got into my 20s and then you know the internet was is and was happening you know
I I always had the dream of like building a business on my content and so I've tried so many
different content businesses like eight years ago I started a sports blog with my buddies and I
would blog about sports I had a sports Twitter and I would talk about sports on there no one followed no
one cared couple years later I started a traditional finance blog traditional finance newsletter and
Twitter did that for about a year with one of my best friends that didn't really go anywhere
and then when I started writing about NFTs on NFT God that's when everything kind of just clicked
I think one there was a huge market opportunity where no one else in NFTs or in Web 3 were really
focusing on writing like pure storytelling in their content when I started doing this I was
really one of the only ones doing it was like mostly shit posting and memes at the time
this was like December 2021 and so I'm like all right I'm gonna go you know I was in the traditional
finance space on Twitter before that and all the influencers and traditional finance like
these people that write these long elaborate threads giving value look at these charts is how you
read this chart but then I look at Web 3 and all the influencers are like posting memes and telling you
what to gamble on and telling you what to buy and showing off screenshots of their bank account and
like why don't I just take what's working over here and be like the first one to do it over here
and so I took all my writing skills all the practice you know because I've been writing my entire
life and just started like doing that in Web 3 and it immediately took off and like I started growing
and then my my big breaking moment was June 2022 when I wrote a thread on like the top five
June analytics dashboards you should be looking at and I wrote this long thread told you I
look at the dashboards what you should take out of it gave like actionable advice on what to do
and it went hyper viral got like 10,000 likes sent me from like 5,000 to 15,000 followers overnight
and I'm like oh shit this is all people in this space really want is like
help like they just want value and so twice a week since then I just write threads trying to
help people out and I've been doing that ever since and it's gotten me to you know 150,000
followers you know year and a few months later that's amazing and I even saw a tweet recently where
you're saying like you make a living full time on Twitter like you kind of have a lot of people
dream job in a way and I'm sure it's a lot of work and everything but it's like making money
through creating content on Twitter and consulting and you know ad share and newsletter and all
that like you know huge pops to you like for just building something for yourself you know and
you're you're working for yourself and doing what you love full time like that's amazing that's
incredible that's the true content creator dream so yeah just you know congrats congrats on that
and also one of the things you said earlier was you know you took what you you took kind of like
your expertise and and just kind of brought it into web 3 and I found that a lot of people that like
content creators I guess I'm thinking of specifically but a lot of content creators that do really
well are the ones that bring their skills to web 3 and you know they're not trying to like
conform to whatever is like popular it's like they're bringing in their own lane their own
something new that they're really good at and and that's why they do so well I think that's not
just web 3 that's anywhere on Twitter like I think the biggest mistake people make on Twitter
is they see kind of what's working for others and then just copy it like right now there's a
billion AI influencers on Twitter like a billion uh personal branding influencers where they
like have this monochrome pfp linked in head shot as their pfp and then like every tweet is
you want to get ahead you got to learn to invest in yourself next tweet is like make sure you're
building your audience by interacting with as many people as possible and the next one's like
you got to be on multiple platforms like this like really boring like them just trying to be an
influencer account and really that the secret is is like just be yourself be an interesting human being
lean into your unique skill sets if you have no unique skill sets then just like learn some right
you can learn anything you want on the internet so just like learn them and then just be like a
interesting fun person and you'll attract people and you know I think that's the issue a lot of
people have not only in web 3 is on Twitter it's like okay they try so hard to be an influencer that
they just see what's working okay I'm gonna be an AI influencer today and they just write guides
on chat gpt proms and it's like there's a million of those you got to be yourself there's only one
of you you have to be yourself and I think that's like it's just people fall in this trap of all I
just could do whatever I see working it never works out that way I see those people there's a
there's a lot of people on tiktok that were nft people two years ago and now they're AI people and
they're just doing the same thing trying to get people to you know Ryan Carson for there whatever
right is that what he's doing now I think you got a Facebook or something you don't he's an AI guy
now he he he he left and he changed his like LinkedIn like AI exploring AI or something right
right yeah I just remember seeing that that was funny I'll do some homemade another 10 million
doing something over the air and then screw that up hey I think you're working for him so
yeah he's doing now he's doing perfectly fun you could have made so much more I mean he was
there he had that morning show his fail mistake was that tweet announcing all of the the
collabs that were in official and he had this flow and he had the strongest community in Web 3
I mean those people were it was crazy I know I see it everyone I was collecting them I was
collecting them trying to get the whitelist for that thing I know I'm telling you I think and then
he's likable that's another thing too like likability is huge like if you're a likable person
you know you can get away with being you know whatever beany for example like and it also like
if you're polarizing if you're just on the extreme like people love that people love that
it'll like boring they want like you know chaotic crazy chaos like what do you think of beany
what do you think of beany what do I think of beany uh polarizing polarizing on this show
okay uh if he scanned people I don't like him but like I haven't seen much of the only evidence
they've seen is like he like stole like movies back today and resold them like I'm not going to
hate someone over that like I doubt never mind I'm not gonna say that um but
get him right here folks we got it's a joke it's a joke it's a joke it's a prank it's a social
experiment um but uh I don't know if he if he rugs shit like he if he rugs shit then yeah he's
a bad guy but I don't know if I've seen any evidence that I was part of the 420 game which he
was a part of that shit went to zero so I don't know well everything went to zero but
yeah yeah everything no no and you know I mean we know that's a little too much
game and pixel vaulter I mean pixel vault is down there but wolf games doing fine and is it
pixel vaults guys okay I'm just got what it's all about pixel vault pixel vault pixel vault
that's a lot of wolf game because beanie said pixel money you have been no no no no
well beanie you have evidence right when that controversy happened beanie had the liquidate
and leave Michael wants him on the pod do you think we should get him on because
Michael is messaging him back and forth and then he was like oh Jenny doesn't like me she
talked shit about me like I don't know why wouldn't you have them on the pod for me like I don't
really like I like bringing people on that I like look up to and like you know it's like I want
to shed light on like people positive people in this way it's like I don't know I'm not
wanting to want to have you on but Andy and I had to convince her that's cat but yeah I don't
know we don't have them like it's it'd be the type of interview where like I would it would be
conscious like I wouldn't be on his side like I would be like it would be just like a debate like
I'm not trying to have like drama like I don't know if you like drama if you're not trying to have
drama then don't do it I'm I'm just the type of guy where I encourage open discussion and like I
would like unless someone's a troll like unless I unless I think someone's gonna have like a bad
faith conversation then I'm willing to talk to anyone to kind of get to know more about why
they're a scumbag or why they're a good person whatever it is well I would actually like that's
the thing if we did something like that I would definitely want to research talk to people that
know more about the situation so he doesn't come on and railroad us because he's obviously a smart
guy you would be prepared to do that he would be right to come super clear we wouldn't want
somebody to come on and just like tell his side of the story and I'll say oh wow you sound
amazing he's going to come prepared with every town right right yeah yeah no doubt no doubt
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all right we've talked about him enough at this point oh i just brought it from that because
he got brought i didn't bring them up i didn't bring them up all right guilty fine i'll take
responsibility i wrote about okay i uh oh yeah this is one of the questions i actually wrote down
is and i actually i'm not i wouldn't say i'm a good writer but i i've had like a diary since i
was a little kid and i journal a lot and i've i've always i'm like into reading memoirs and stuff
and i don't know writing is very fascinating to me and i was curious what is your like what do
you love the most about writing uh storytelling i think storytelling is the most fun part of it
like writing in itself is really boring and sucks right like right grammar right spelling like
all that stuff sucks no one cares about that it's the art of like storytelling that's the most
interesting how can i take something that happens like for instance me getting hacked eight
months ago and turn it into a compelling story where it's not like a sob story of oh my god i got
hacked i lost so much money but more of like this is how it transformed me this is how my life
changed because of it and like this is your takeaway you can have to have a similar transformation
in your life right and that's what i think is so much fun about writing is just being able to take
stories uh communicate it in really simple straightforward manners and have an impact on the reader
with just 280 characters or 500 characters is like a long form tweet uh the storytelling part
is so much fun every day i you know i i do a lot journaling and notebooking and like brain
dumping ideas and like i just challenge myself to take events that happen in my past and turn it into
compelling stories that you know people relate to people get lessons out of and people you know
feel like they're closer to me because they read it uh right and and so storytelling i think is such
a skill and a way more important skill than writing itself writing is just like a vehicle to telling a
story and then storytelling is really the core of what makes writing successful or not
oh i love that that that makes sense why i like reading memoirs so it's like the stories you know
they're compelling and then it's like when i read some book that's like a smart bug or it's like
you could tell they're more like like i just read i finally finished Edward Snowden's book and he's
like just such like a like nerd like smart guy and it was like oh it was so hard to be because it was
like so much detail and everything and i'm like i need more of that storytelling like you to read
stuff have you ever thought of writing a book uh oh those like my original goal as a kid like my first
like oh i want to do that was i want to be an author and write a book like that's what i did with
my uh typewriter is i i would just write books so uh i definitely do want to eventually i don't
know what it would be about i don't know if it'd be like the years out of build like a twitter
business or if it would be like here's like a story i want to tell or just like uh here's what
happened in my life like a memoir or something i don't know um but i i do love storytelling so much
that eventually i i definitely do want to i don't know what it'd be but when the time comes around
i'll know that's awesome um and then one percent better in newsletter that has been really popping
off i saw you have like over 27,000 subscribers yeah what compelled you to start your
newsletter was it just your tweets are really doing well and you wanted to kind of
do a little more long form version yeah that's that's literally it i just i enjoy long form writing
and so i started my newsletter the same day i started writing for nft god i had zero follow or zero
subscribers and i was sending out newsletters back in the day this was beginning of 2022 to five
people i had on my like my mom dad and my best friend and i sent him out daily like i did daily
newsletters about the nft space uh eventually that moved to weekly but the when i was sent out the
most newsletters i had the smallest newsletter list i just enjoyed writing about anything at first
it was all nfts i was writing about i was like doing breakdowns of projects why i thought they were
cool what they were doing different uh and then eventually i started mixing in personal experiences
personal stories so i just gave word is writing about nfts i want to just write about whatever i
wanted to write about and so eventually you know i was writing about everything and i'd ask people
you know what are you more interested in do you like the nft stuff better you like the personal
stuff better and it seemed like the personal stuff was having a bigger impact on people and so i
just leaned all the way into that and yeah i it blew up when my twitter blew up and now i've got
up to 20 i'm about to hit 28,000 subscribers and it's the most fun thing i do i got to write one
today actually i sent out every Thursday and uh it's long form and sometimes it's about hey
here's a trick i figured out on twitter to get more followers or sometimes just hey this is crazy
this person has reached out to me here's a story about how that happened or hey this is what i
learned from this awful event i just choose whatever i'm like thinking about that week and
send out a newsletter on it so yeah i started that over a year ago and i just loved long form
writing so i wanted to do that even if i had five subscribers say i'd still be writing it
yeah that i mean the fact that you were grinding so hard and like that's just shows that you're
you're really dedicated and determined like you know you wanted to girl that thing because you're
putting out what every single day you got five people subscribed um and i think that's what people
get so discouraged about is in the beginning there's nobody watching you like but you have to like
keep going because eventually people will be watching you but that's the hard part is like
you're not getting that encouragement like nobody cares about you you know and you have to continue
to care and really be passionate about it well that's why you got to enjoy it if you like here's
one thing i tell a lot of people is like content creation is not for everyone like not everyone should
be a content creator there's a lot of people who would like they just don't enjoy it and they still
try to do it and they still write a thread a day and they get pissed off when they're not getting
followers it's like you got to be enjoying it if you don't enjoy it you're going to quit because
you have to go years without having intention and the only way you're going to make it through
those years is if you enjoy writing and so like if you're not enjoying it then there's other things
you can do you could learn program and become a coder like you don't have to be a content creator
you really have to enjoy it to get through it 100% yeah i don't know what the core is but it's
something like figure out what you love to do and then find ways to make money with that like
doing what you love because you know a lot of people they shout and chase the money but it's like
if you actually figure out what you love to do like the money will come like you'll figure out ways
like you can be the best in whatever especially if you love to do it like it's so much easier
to be better at something when you're when you're actually passionate about it Michael do you want
to do any questions no i mean i'm not necessarily about where we just wear but um i do have a
couple more i wanted to ask before we get into gas wars which i'm sure you are very nervous
i don't know what that word is it's decided to make a little suspense for there but it was
not not didn't do a good job um you probably thought about this a lot so uh obviously we talked
about the hack a lot but people can't just make one wrong click and lose their you know life
savings in a lot of cases uh what do you think's the best way to protect it what are we going to
do to to protect people in the future so you know what are we going to like so what's like the
best way to protect people yeah we're not we're not going to the NFT space is not going to be what
we want it to be if people can just come in here and get robbed and there's no recourse well we got
it we got to totally change how all this works because this is not ever going to go mainstream
in its current form like if you can click something and lose it all it's not going to go mainstream
that's just not how like humanity works like human beings make mistakes and for the end of time
for as long as the world exists human beings will continue to make mistakes so as long as you're
in tie like imagine a world where everyone was like transacting cryptocurrency and people were
just losing their life savings left and right like the world would fall into utter chaos and we
would go into world wars and it just it would not be a world anyone wants to live in so uh until
seed phrases are in a thing um it's just going to be a niche thing that some loss are into uh we
we need a shift that I mean there needs to be another way to do it me actually I take that back
maybe there doesn't need to be another way to do it I mean we don't need to decentralize everything
like I understand the advantages of decentralizing money there's a lot of advantages to especially
in people in like some developing countries where they're being inflated to hell but you know I don't
think the world is a better place if everyone is one click away from losing everything they have
I think it makes more sense it's kind of like a niche thing where you know people like us are
passionate about it or in it and then people and Argentina who's money is being destroyed is into it
but you know until we completely shift the paradigm of how all this stuff works I don't think
it's a good thing for it to go mainstream anyway yeah you're that I hear that and now the only other
question I had we met we talked about art earlier uh I wanted to what kind of art are you into
in the space name some of your favorite artists maybe and what's the art on your wall looks like
you're kind of in a dentist office your uh does it look like a mid-century what do they call
that it's nice looks like nice leather it's real nice big plant there I don't know about the fake
is it fake yeah it's fake fake Bosch got radio with their fake plant behind the Bosch
yacht I got too nice the cameras a little on focus let me reset that real quick yeah I mean I
and by no means uh the business is still growing let's just say we're still a startup we don't
we don't have the money now though those what floors are fired and those what floors are
the audience can't even see so they're just like yeah painting a painting a picture
painting a picture so what floors this is like a uh very old New York city apartment which gives
it a little charm gives it a little charm in the floors um artists I like um I just like they
kind of the old blockchain stuff like uh like uh crummy squiggles I want a crypto puck my dreams
have a crypto punk I consider that art those are like the two big ones I really like there's other
ones I'm interested in but like if uh one percent better was to take off and I started making
enough to uh throw around money again I'd probably buy like a crypto punk and then like a crummy
squiggle scale that's awesome I think those the only NFTs like you really can long-term invest in
I don't think there's any pfp project that's a long-term good investment because I think most
of them are just Ponzi schemes and people are only in them to uh you know get free stuff and make
more money they're not really into it to be into it arts really the only one where it's like they buy
it because they like it and they have an emotional connection and there's no expectation like getting
like a Ponzi coin at some point so that's why arts really the only thing I care about damn that
that issue though a lot of Ponziomics Ponziomics whatever like a lot of people just into the
but I feel like now I don't know because it's really not that lucrative now so I feel like if you're
in the space now like there's got to be some other reasons because I don't know if people are really
making that much money you sound like a big friend tech guy I'm sure you sound like a big friend tech
I like friend tech I think you're you've been complaining about Ponzi yeah what that's all to
you know listen listen if you're in friend tech in order to make money you're doing it the wrong
way yes you're just chasing a Ponzi scheme a hundred percent but if you look at friend tech for what
it actually has the advantage of which is giving you the ability to get access a personal connection
with your favorite creators then I think it's excellent cool technology or they're a sit or they're
assistant or they're assistant but I mean that's like yeah I just never you're never you're like
I bought that they set up on it wait so I don't I actually could you I'm always your first time
talking about friend tech I've seen a bunch of people I thought someone got hacked when they
tried to invite me and give me their invite code I was like um I feel like they just got hacked
so like I don't know what this is but what is friend tech like how would you describe friend
to friend tech to somebody that does know what it is and sure what was my other question about it
do you think it's still gonna be around in like two months from now yeah I do think so and listen
I'm like gigabarish on 99% of NFT and crypto stuff like I've been I think that's kind of what's
given me an audience too is like I was bearish when the market was like roaring and I'm like no
all this stuff's upon this evening completely collapse so I I speak my mind to be honest I like it
because here's what friend tech is it is a way to build a person more personal connection with
your favorite creators right and I think it's also an incredible incredibly unique way for content
creators to monetize you can buy a key to your favorite content creators which gets you access to
them basically one-on-one personal access where you guys can chat in the more popular the content
creator is the more keys that they sell the more expensive it becomes so the better the content
more popular the content creator is the more money they make which is how like an economy should be
the more valuable you are the more people in access to you the more money you make and what I
love about it is it gives really good incentive to for content creators to create good content and
build personal relationships right if you're on it you want to build better connections with your
audience and the people on there because the better you are building the connection the more active
you are the more personal you are the more they're gonna want to buy your keys and so it's a really
interesting value economy where the creators really incentivize to create a personal connection
and the the consumers if they want in on it they can buy the key and so I don't look at it as like
an investment vehicle at all I view it as a really awesome way for people to get access to content
creators and really awesome way for content creators to monetize that's very interesting so basically
people are kind of paying like be able to DM you anyway yes well there's a couple of things
there in its current form it sucks like it just sucks like it's yeah it is a chatroom you're paying
to DM someone and it's just not a good experience the app is just like janky and is constantly crashing
and broken but you think about the use cases that can be layered on to this and you think about
multimedia being able to live chat over video being able to send photos you know what what's
interesting about is it's an open source protocol kind of the financial layer of it that you can
use anyone can use to build experiences on top of so for instance if I want to build some sort of
social experience on my website where only people who hold my keys can be a part of I can do that
because it's all open source on the blockchain so I can build my own web experience okay if you have
five keys to my whatever you can come on here we can play this game together or if I want to create
like a counterstrike go server and you need x amount of keys to play counterstrike with me I can
build out that experience so really what it is is a base layer of like a financial protocol for
creators which I think is really unique and interesting and it's interesting that's what makes it
different than like patreon only fans is the blockchain like you said that's a good point in
missing there no it's always going to be this way there's always going to be people that use it
as a gambling vehicle because one a vast majority of our space are degenerate gamblers addicted
to gambling and two like they're just human nature humans love to gamble like they just love it
and so you know the people who view frantic as a gambling opportunity is going to lose a lot
most of them are going to lose 100 percent because the fee structure is not set up in a way for
people to win financially on it every transaction has a 10 percent fee there's no way that they
constantly grow revenue by 10 percent in order to make the economics of this make sense eventually
it's go from a financial gambling perspective it's going to crash but if you view this purely as oh
Jenny from the blockchains on here I want to be able to communicate with her and build her
closer relationship so I'm going to pay $20 to do that then that makes a lot of sense and I think
that's a win for everyone but if I'm like oh Jenny from the blockchain her price is a little too
undervalued I'm going to buy it here 10% fee okay now I'm going to sell it now 10% fee like
that makes zero sense and you're going to lose a ton of money so do you get like for example okay
Jenny from the blockchain in 20 bucks do I get the 20 but my minus the 10% so do I get
18 bucks or what is that where does that money go here's how it works the when you buy a key so
used to be a share they change the name the key probably because they don't want a little too
obvious even in the word share so what happens is all the transactions have a 10% fee added on
so if your key costs $100 there'll be a $10 fee $5 so half the fee goes to the friend tech team
and then $5 so 5% goes to the creator so the other the whole the $100 that's just like stored
on the blockchain so if someone decides to sell that money goes back because you're not like
trading with anyone you're just it's infinitely liquid it's just like a bonding curve that goes
up or down the amount of people buying or selling so the way you make money as a creator is you get
5% of every transaction that is very interesting that that seems so low if you compare it to like
hatred on only fans whatever I mean I don't I don't know only fans but like 5% like I mean it
makes sense of like okay then you get the money back if you like the side to sell it
if you if you look at it like from a percentage perspective like 5% feels small but if you
think about how the shares and the keys work is they can cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars
right so if someone wants to just talk to you for a month like you're making potentially a couple
hundred dollars off them for a month and so I think the monetization structure is really
interesting and beneficial for the creator because if you're just kind of like a not great creator
no one wants to buy your key you're not going to make any money a few people could buy but you'll
make like a dollar but if you're really big creator you got a lot of people trading your keys
then you could make thousands of dollars really quickly just because you're a popular creator
right and then you know people probably go and they buy other people's and you know kind of put it
back into the ecosystem I'm sure exactly how much have you made on there I've made I think 1.2
off of it 1.2 eat the key so what is that right now it was sure about like something
yeah it's amazing it's amazing yeah I do things like on it all my share price is not that high
it's like the people winning right now are the ones you like give like calls oh buy this coin
my share price like 0.15 or something eat but I like I'll say hey anyone want their like
content reviewed and they'll send the links their tweets and I'll review their tweets so
do it just something like that yeah yeah yeah okay well that's awesome well you know maybe
folks will we talking about friend tech in future episodes we'll see we'll see what happens
yeah you'll be coming on everybody go please sign up for my friend you know I don't like doing
that stuff my keys are cheap yeah don't kill it don't kill it I want to say cheap I'll be like
there's one too I guarantee it's gonna go to the moon no that would be you that would be you
okay okay okay let's go into our rapid fire so basically this is our our gasware segment where
we each ask five rapid fire questions that may or not be related to about three so let's kick
it off aga first ladies first first question what is one of your favorite songs my favorite song
of all time is devil in a new dress by Kanye West oh I feel like I don't know I need to listen
to that I like Kanye but I don't think I know that so that's this but that's my favorite song ever
it's amazing it's off dark twisted fantasy I check it out I'm adding spots I read nice it's got
like an incredible instrumental it's got like an orchestra it's amazing oh I'm gonna let's go
yeah okay who is your role model growing up other than your parents my role model growing uh
man there's I'm gonna come off as such a door in this one I just I Kanye was my role model
growing up like I just the way he came up was the underdog the underdog story first so I don't
approve any Kanye West stuff in the last two years I'll just put that out there but everything
before those two years before he went insane I just always viewed him as my idols because he
his story of coming from nothing of of always revolutionizing his art in which every album he does
sounds completely different like he always had to be creatively completely different right like he
would put out a super successful album and the next one would have to sound like 180 completely
different sound in that way of him challenging himself and doing something new I thought was very
inspirational so I that's why I view him as uh my idol as I was growing up not quite as you
watch as recent events but what's that did you watch his documentary yeah it was awesome oh so good
the first like the first one was like my favorite because I love oh my god that the fact that
they were recording I forgot the guys name that was recording but for so long like that was insane
and then I mean towards the end it was like damn it was kind of like honestly sad because it was like
ah but but the beginning was really good Ellie it was crazy that they were recording him that
early that was really cool yeah you knew it was gonna be big so he yeah I'm like a documentary
person I think it was just so classic Kanye to hire someone to film him while I was
yeah okay all right um oh okay so I don't know I guess I don't I'm assuming you've been outside
of the US but I guess I don't know but where was the most life-changing place you traveled to
most life-changing place I traveled to uh I've been outside of the US but I'd say that I did
like a trip like four years ago where I rented a car in San Francisco and just drove down the
Pacific Coast Highway by myself in like a red Mustang convertible um and you stopped at a
bunch of different places did like hikes went to the beach uh and now it's such a sick experience
I'd say that was the most life-changing experience where I was just doing a whole bunch of things by
myself seeing this these incredible amazing things and it was transformational and I went all
away I drove down to LA and it was just really cool it was a really really cool experience I try
to do that every couple years drive down the PCH because it's it's such a beautiful um drive so
yeah that was probably my favorite trip that's awesome yeah I was going to ask a travel question
but I will now ask what is the best pizza in New York the best pizza in New York is Grimaldi's
in Brooklyn in Dumbo I've been to them all Grimaldi's I just think it's like it's just
super thin crispy pizza that uh it's my favorite I get it so many times it's uh I've been to like
Johns Obligars and all them um but this to me is like the thinnest crispiest pizza and so that's
why uh and is that better than new is that better than what you could get in New Haven is that
better than like Frank and Pepe is and Sally is a pizza that's comparable it's comparable they're
all up there with each other I've been to all the New Haven places I'd say they're all kind of in
the same ballpark thin and crispy pizza that's really amazing yep nice are you a night owl or
an early bird that's a good question it's it's tough it's conflicting because I'm an early bird
that is the most creative at night um so it's an issue I I just I like doing work in the morning
waking up early like I love waking up early the issue is is all my creative ideas and juices start
to flow at night so I don't know maybe I'm selling myself short by trying to go to bed early
every night but like when I was grinding through having a nine to five and then building NFT
God which I was doing for like a year I was working really like eight to seven every day and then
writing from like seven to like midnight seven to one a.m every night to build NFT God and like
at midnight's when all my great content would be written um but I uh I'm just the type of guy
I like to wake up early in the morning and get a wake up I wake up at six a.m. every day
change okay that's really that is so really yeah I just I love I love being up before other people
I love getting and immediately start writing in like a notebook and like getting ideas out there
but it seems all my best ideas come at night though yeah I know that yeah all right where we at uh
what is the best concert you have ever been to and why was it Kanye West
it was uh the same Pablo tour in 2017 Kanye West uh he it was an arena tour where he was on like a
stage and it would like float over people and I was on the floor like I had like the floor
standing room mosh pit seats not seats but you're standing room only and it was just the crazy
experience where the seal the the stage was floating from like wires on the roof and it would go around
and go up and go down and had this crazy light show coming out of the stage uh and it absolutely
blew my mind actually I take that back now what that was the second best concert I ever been to
the best concert I ever been to was in 2012 it was Frank Ocean's channel orange tour so as right
before his uh first album came out channel orange you came to Boston this like 500 person uh like
venue really really small I was a call let me guess was it called the royal what was that venue in
Boston 500 people paradise or something yeah yeah yeah I know all the venues I was a ticket
broker for 17 years I know all the venues all around the country paradise yeah it was paradise
rock club and I yeah I was a huge fan of him when his mixed heaps came out and so I was a fan
of him forever since day one and then he announces his album me announces his tour and I bought like
the tickets the moment they released they were like $20 they didn't even sell out they didn't sell it
for months um and then like overnight he just blows up right when the album comes out like goes
from like nobody to like a mega star and the you know I go to the concert and I'm talking people
and I'm like they're like how much did you pay for the tickets I'm like $20 when they came out
I'm like how much do you pay like oh we drove from Maine and we paid $500 a ticket oh wow that's
crazy and it was just like this really small intimate concert where you're like I'm watching like a
mega star in like this really like you'll never do a place like this ever again uh and it was
incredible it was it was it he's just like the most legendary town ever he's amazing that's awesome
I saw Kanye and Miami on the glow in the dark tour it looks like it was 2008 yes and
Rihanna opened up for him yes she was just coming up yeah I had friend I didn't go to because I
wasn't a concert person in 2008 but I had friends who and they said it was like the best concert ever
it was that was when he was like every song was a mega hit because it was those first two albums
it was it was pretty awesome it was pretty awesome yeah yeah it's pretty awesome yeah damn that's
uh wow you got I see I'm more of a festival EDM festival girl but I mean concerts are cool to
like Frank Ocean thinking about you that's like my favorite song oh yeah so like
it's like I don't know the melody it's good anyway all right let's see next question is
what is your favorite book uh my favorite book I read an absolute ton like I read every day I'm
always reading like three books at once uh and crazy if I just like don't have a favorite book like
none there I say my favorite book probably is atomic habits because I think that's had the most
influence on my mindset and my business right like the name my business 1% better comes from
atomic habits because kind of the the message of atomic habits is 1% better every day and so
that's where my brand really comes from is inspired by that um so that was probably the book that had
the most impact on just like my mindset and the way I operate so I probably will add as my favorite
book ever okay bye James clear yes god what would you say is the most underrated NFT collection um
the most underrated and I know mr bearish but I want to something what do you like there is I know
who's doing something good who's doing something good the most underrated NFT collection is probably
let's see here sandbox I probably isn't saying and this is gonna this is the most chalk like boring
answer of all time um this this this will get people to turn off the podcast I think crypto punks
is most underrated uh NFT project because I think it's the only one that's like guaranteed to
succeed as long as Ethereum successful as long as NFTs in Ethereum are thing crypto punks will be a
thing they never have to release anything they never have to release a coin they're not the release
companion collections they will always be viewed as like the OG collection so as long as NFTs
are a thing which I think will always be a thing I'm hyper bullish on NFTs as a technology
then I think crypto punks will always be that and I think it's the only one that you can say when
the next market comes back it's going to be back with it there's no I don't even think you can say
for board eight where when the next mark comes back it's guaranteed to come back you can't say that
because if eight coins down not worth anything then it's going to impact the price of boy it depends
on their company it depends on how they do with their company right which ironically enough
is the same company that also owns crypto punks but the company doesn't have to do anything with
crypto punks they just the only thing they have to do is do nothing that the best thing they can do
is do nothing so uh I think crypto punks are the most underrated because it's really the only one
you can rate everything else I think I rate a zero so that's fair okay what is your favorite
way to work out like you know sport or gym I can whatever my my favorite sport is basketball
let's play the sport I have the most fun playing uh I do go to the gym to work out because
I don't know it's important you got to work out um do I love it I don't know I don't love it but
I like improving so I know when I go to the gym I improve so I enjoy it but I'd say basketball
I'm for the record absolutely terrible and I've injured myself a thousand different ways playing it
but oh no basketball is my my most fun way to work out you need to play in the next uh NFT
I would never and oh and a tba yes yeah yeah there's like there's like a basketball tournaments with
like NFT collectors and like the they join teams and and there's like 13 different teams or
something and they all they do a massive tournament um I've dislocated the shoulder 13 times
I fully first so I can't I can't I'm out of competitive level basketball more go to the gym
and shoot around by myself right oh my mom my mom does that she's like she's so into it and she'll
be like playing with the guys and she thinks it's she's like yeah I was like she didn't freeze like
she's so funny anyway all right final question what piece of what what piece of technology do you
wish existed that doesn't exist how I think he's supposed to think of that I don't know that's such
uh he's a smart guy I hope come on something um what's the this is a nausea that doesn't exist
shit um I want to give you that is that is a tough one and he's like how he's supposed to
I want to give you a good answer I think like biggest frustration for me right now is there's
divot in my floor right here to my right and every time I step on it it tears a hole in my socks
so every single pair of socks I have has a hole because the divot's like it's like it's sharp
enough to tear your sock but not sharp enough to like hurt you and like cut your skin and so I
wish there was a sock out there that you the technology is where it wouldn't rip when you step
on like mildly sharp things because I'm constantly I can't walk around and torn socks like even
if it's like this tiny little hole in the heel because it just bothers me I can feel the floor
through it so I wish there was like an untarable sock that was still comfortable I just googled
tear proof socks that's kind of impossible the right no but you know what have you heard of
bomb us I got a couple pairs I I'm not if you get a hole in them they will send you a new one
for free so you can just keep every time you get a hole just send them a picture they'll just
keep sending you free socks there's my issue is there the type of sock where one foot is for the left
and the other is for the right and it's marked on the sock and I hate that it adds that one extra
step every time I put them on where I have to see it doesn't even matter like do does that matter
though like I don't like it the right I don't like it the pressure me to put them on the right foot
so that one little extra one percent of stress every morning I I have two pairs I don't even put
them on because of that I have a problem with bombas too I have a problem with them I was in
brain series like six years ago and I went to this drum party it was called bombas I don't know
probably mean some kind of drums or whatever and that's what it was down there and I had to search
it and find it and I had to go to the neighborhood and find I searched it a bunch of times for the
next three months I wouldn't stop getting bombas ads on every social media so I was like that's funny
you know what I'll say it fuck bombas I'll say it right yeah fuck bombas this is an anti-bombas
podcast actually no they no hey any they sponsor this one I'm sorry anybody will never get that
sponsorship I know like what like I was like oh yeah you guys read a book yeah it's just like
shit on bombas like so hard they were just about to send you free socks like damn
actually kind of like them but all right because they're advertising was too good like that's
actually they should be proud of that like that's actually work yeah that's just your your phone
listening to you and then the government like sharing it with like I know how many he's like here
you go this is all information I wasn't even in this hemisphere I was like jeez I literally
starting I couldn't believe it that's so funny okay well we made it through rapid fire
yeah I was nervous for a second those are some hearted in questions I'm like damn let's get
room my reputation these questions thank you thank you for going to a little bit easier that was a
lot of fun yeah this has been a really fun podcast and you know you have great energy great vibes
like keep it up keep killing it you know on Twitter wish you the best with the newsletter and
everything going on and yeah thank you so much for joining us so much so thank you so much
for having me this this whole podcast was great vibes I really enjoyed talking to both of you
so thank you for having a guy who writes threads on Twitter on the show I appreciate it
pleasure let's go all right with that said thank you all for tuning into this episode of the
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