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Hi guys.
Hi Pia.
I'm really excited for this.
I know we've, I've not seen you in years, although I feel like I see you through Instagram every day.
How does that feel?
Weird.
Did everyone has a parasocial relationship with you from Instagram?
I don't have to like fill people in on anything because it's just like, oh I post everything on the internet.
But not everything.
Because that's the bad side of the parasocial relationship is they think you post everything.
And it's like, oh no, this is just a very one percent of my glossy online editorial.
Yeah, we're getting into a little bit of that.
Yeah, we're getting into a little bit of that with the podcast.
People kind of clock things.
Oh, you talked about this six months ago.
Yeah, because your podcast is so addictive.
And then now it's like your banter.
It's cute.
You just feel like you know the two of you.
So I can imagine listeners being like, oh yeah, six months ago.
The same way you will reference something that happened in like a previous episode.
Like the way that you guys see all the writing and like all the little particular like nods.
To things.
It's really.
It's the same with your listeners with you guys.
Oh, yeah, this is high season for us.
We are in the back.
We're in the back end of recapping the second season.
And just like that.
This is a major high season.
Wait, before we get into that, we were just talking about our former professor, Jessica Glasscock.
Which is how we met.
Remember how she used to hot she had the gloves.
She stuffed gloves and then had them interlacing and then made them into a headpiece.
And it was her.
She warmed her head.
Oh, like a very like scaperally type.
It was super fibrous.
Yeah, it was DIY scap.
She's a full genius, Jessica.
She was in town a couple months ago.
And I took her to the pickwick vintage fair.
Wow, cool.
We could only get two steps because someone would stop her because of her outfits.
Oh my god.
She's the best.
But yes, I was discussing the fact.
And I were discussing that Jessica, for some reason a week or two ago,
sent us old photos of ourselves in her class.
And I don't.
She's the equivalent of whatever twink death is, but for heterosexual women.
That like we're deeply amashed in the indie sleaze of the 2008-2009 era.
I think even earlier than that, what year of school, maybe we were like juniors?
Yeah, we all, I mean, you and Chelsea share a sort of overlapping,
kind of joining Parsons a little bit later.
Oh, my guys, we all went to Parsons.
I always went to Parsons.
Yeah, but I joined later.
I came from Eugene Lang.
Yeah, 2006 to 2010.
I never graduated, but I should, I was 2005.
I started.
Shell.
I graduated in 2008.
But I should have graduated in 2007.
It's out of the fashion program.
I don't have that much left, and it's a shame.
But it's like a business class and like macroeconomics.
And I'm not taking that.
Because I was, I was designing management.
Oh, of course.
Yeah, that checks out.
No, I love the design management.
It's mean hard, Preston.
Yeah, it's, we were, Chelsea and I met in the,
you remember the IDC program?
The integrated design curriculum?
Yeah, I believe it's the integrated design program now.
Yeah.
Which was so predictive of where careers
in the industry was going to go.
Because it was basically for those that know NYU
was like Gallatin, you build your own major.
Although you had to take a lot of boring lectures
about like the surveillance state in metropolitan cities
or something in order to be able to be like,
I want to take a fashion history class, a graphic design class,
and a film class.
Yeah, they were crazy for that.
But that was a good program.
What program were you in?
Same thing.
You were born in the same year.
Wait, I love that you said that that checks out.
What were the design management girls like?
I mean, like the design management girls.
Sheak actually like have their shit together.
Like have a, have a job in mind that they could feasibly
be paid money to do after they graduate, you know?
Yeah, but I think it was more girls that were like,
I love fashion. How do I make my,
like you guys are way more intellectual?
I mean, I don't know about that.
I think so.
I mean, I think I'm a little bit intellectual.
Maybe some people in the photo department were a little bit
intellectual, but I think kind of everyone
at playing with was a bit, you know?
Yeah. I'm a fashion student vibes.
Oh my god, so much stuff.
My outfits at school were crazy.
That's the other thing we were discussing.
I mean, my outfits weren't crazy.
They were just like, please.
I was an American apparel grey sweatshirt.
I thought it was really cool and wide-legged jeans and flats.
Yeah, I was just doing like really sad Kate Moss,
bootleg outfits, like everyone else that I went to college with.
So it was about like the leopard jacket, the ballet flat,
the skinny jean, that whole vibe.
Wait, I found a bunch of croquis from when I fashioned design classes
and my whole, all the girls had, it was like ballerinas
who was like punk ballerinas.
So like left ballet class and like put on Doc Martins with,
so it was like, they had some of them have ballet flats
and then it was pink leotards and then leopard jackets
or leather jackets.
It was very, yeah, me wanting to be Kate Moss as a California girl.
We all wanted to be Kate Moss.
I still want to be Kate Moss.
I think I'm good now.
I've passed it because I've accepted my body shape in my aesthetic
and I don't want to be something that I'm not.
So I'm leaning into this more.
You know what I mean? That sounds healthy.
Yeah.
Like you're like blonde fashion girl.
That's like adjacent to you.
Like I'll never be anywhere near like a Kate Moss.
I mean, I'll never be near a Kate Moss, but I would love to.
I mean, she is an inspiration
and the fact that she is now the creative director of Diet Coke
is something that brings immense joy to my life.
I was going to say we'll never be close to the Kate Moss Tea
which we were never able to buy and was discontinued.
They just won't fulfill my order.
They keep canceling my order every time I try and buy Kate Moss,
cost Moss Tea.
It just like does not happen.
One day, when did you guys start?
Every outfit on text message.
Uh, God.
June 2016.
She's good with dates. I can't remember shit.
Well, 2016 was a fairly crazy year, but you were coming back and forth between New York
and Los Angeles. I went back.
Uh, I think I flunked out of New York in 2012.
This anymore and went back to Los Angeles.
And you were traveling back and forth, and we went to El Compadre,
where they are famous for the flaming margaritas.
I lived behind El Compadre on that street.
Which one?
The one in West Hollywood.
Yeah, so I could walk to El Compadre.
Yeah, that's perfect.
This is before Uber.
A lot of good stuff goes down to El Compadre.
Yeah, we have not been in years and years.
We had one too many of those flaming margaritas and started the account at the table.
Cute.
And here we are.
There's a few more details.
I feel like I need you.
Lauren always wants to give details.
I'm like, let's just cut to the chase here.
Well, after college, you were hired by many designers to do photo research.
And at the dinner table, you were discussing how they always wanted these deep cuts,
sex in the city looks.
And you were like, oh, I wish there was a website called every outfit on sex in the city.
It was 2016.
I said, that would be an Instagram.
And I have no idea why we started it.
And after that drunk at night, why we chose to continue doing it.
Because it's a huge part of our culture.
And you were the same age.
So it was like what we were like 13.
And then moved to New York when.
Well, yeah, it's why we wanted to do it.
It's why I wanted to go to New York.
I will freely admit that.
Yeah, that was my reference for everything.
So this is ingrained.
I can remember talking to my husband about my behavior in New York.
And I was like, do you realize that like,
I watch sex in the city as my Bible.
And then lived in Manhattan.
Like, I was just like, the world is my fucking oyster.
I do what I want.
Like, it was nothing.
But like, it was so.
It was so empowered by the show.
So it's just a huge part of it.
I feel like who we all are.
And I'm like thankful for the account.
Sometimes to just have everything here.
But I'm sure you feel the same way in regards to Instagram.
It's like, we hit that algorithm at the right time,
right place, God on the Explorer page.
And within a month, we had 100,000 followers.
Oh, wow.
But I feel like you can't do that anymore.
No, no, no. It's impossible.
Like a scandal or like,
date someone famous or something.
Yeah, true.
Which hopefully, well,
hopefully the former won't happen to us.
The latter is not going to happen to us.
But you have your own.
Okay, how many episodes?
Do you do two a week?
And then once Patreon and once.
We do like 1.5 a week, basically.
Yeah.
But now we're doing within just like that.
We have the recap show or rewatch show.
Someone once got mad that I said recap.
We're rewatching.
Or no, we rewatching the older episodes,
recapping the new episodes.
There we go.
And just after that is our after show
where we take hotline calls.
And that's where the real fun goes down.
Just saying.
When you realize the reboot was happening,
it talks to me about that moment between the two of you.
We didn't know what to expect, obviously,
because the last thing they had produced
was sex in the city too,
which does feel like a fever dream for everyone.
Although in retrospect, not that bad.
It's not that bad.
But it's incredibly xenophobic.
It's bad in that respect.
But if you can look past that,
at least Samantha's in it.
Yeah, that was the crazy thing.
Once we started the account,
there was this thing of like,
well, how long can we possibly do this?
And then it was,
just things kept fueling it.
Cynthia Nixon ran for governor.
Chelsea designed merch for her.
We did a campaign of them.
You wrote a book.
Right around when the book came out,
is when they announced they were doing the series.
Or they announced the third film wasn't going to happen.
So there was always something new for us to talk about,
oddly enough.
It's Cynthia.
Cynthia? Yeah.
Her team did.
They were like, whatever you want to do,
we designed merch.
We did a fundraiser.
We wrote and directed a campaign ad for her,
which was beyond surreal.
I mean, what was that like?
I ended up cutting this.
But at one moment it was just me and Cynthia
and the cinematographer down in the subway.
Just grabbing shots.
I was like, this is incredibly.
Oh my god.
Yeah, it was basically like,
the ad was with John Early,
who's amazing.
And he played just a deranged reporter
that was asking her like,
increasingly intrusive questions about sex in this city
while she was trying to like explain her platform.
Wow. That sort of thing.
Cool. It was cute.
For you and maybe to the stays that they talked about
the merch you designed on the view.
Yes, career highlight.
What's career highlight?
What did they say about it?
Well, they were like,
God, I don't know. I have to rewatch that.
Because we made shirts that said,
I'm a Miranda and I'm voting for Cynthia.
So people were like,
is acknowledging sex in the city a good idea?
Is she going to be taken less seriously
because of this?
Or is she in on the joke?
Well, she's so different from the character
that I think it's in,
like she probably feels so comfortable
bringing it up and knowing that.
Also, she's synonymous with the character.
Well, also she has a sense of humor
and is a legitimately cool person.
So she got it.
It's like whether you get the joke or not.
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And then the announcement comes out
for the show, the reboot.
Mm-hmm.
And are you guys just like,
oh, this is our Super Ball?
Yeah.
Basically.
Well, also, I think there was a part of like,
I guess we got to keep doing this.
At a certain point,
we were like, oh,
maybe people would like our thoughts
beyond sex in the city.
We were also going a little crazy
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So that's when we, in 2021,
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So then when they announced it,
we were like, oh, well,
I guess we got to talk about it.
And then that first season was
what it was and it felt like,
I don't know, a therapy session.
And increasingly,
these episodes feel like therapy sessions.
Yeah.
Someone called in and did a welfare check on me.
They were like, is Lauren okay?
I mean, we've been going through a lot with this show.
What do you think about it?
Yeah, I want to hear your take.
I, I have goosebumps.
I cry watching it like I'm in high school
because of the nostalgia of it.
Right.
Like, I can't, I can't disconnect.
I can't be like, oh, this is like,
no, I don't like it.
It seems very obvious to be like,
oh, it's not good.
It's like, okay.
Everyone, there's clearly like a lot of thought
behind the re, like everything that they're doing.
There's a bunch of people who we have trusted
with this show for a long time,
making decisions.
I think Che got too much air time.
I think that, but,
and then she's like, her character went from being
this powerhouse, like this sad thing very quickly.
I don't like that.
I don't, the whole Aiden thing.
I don't, I mean, what we went through last week
was a lot.
And I don't know.
I cried when big, like when big died,
I cried like my own father had died.
I was really, did you?
I, I mean, we screamed.
I, I screamed because it was more because of
I sobbed too, but I think what was
jarring was the, and just like that big died.
I was like, oh, they didn't just do that.
Yeah.
I didn't just watch this.
I think I was more in shock by the entire thing.
But yeah, of course that was incredibly
motivated.
Sir Jessica Parker's acting is spectacular in that
episode.
So many women at that age lose their partners.
And I would, yeah, because you,
because the whole thing at, like when it's shift,
it was supposed to be her happy ending, right?
Like the whole thing was supposed to be like they end
up together.
So that was really, I don't know, the first,
I think definitely the second season,
more than the first season.
Yeah.
I mean, you crash land in such a different tone.
Yeah.
But it is, I think it's fine when we heard that
John Corbett was announcing it was going to be in
the second season.
I was like, actually, this makes sense, right?
Because he so wanted a traditional family structure
of the life, the kids, the house and the suburbs.
And she wanted big.
And now that they both fulfilled that,
maybe they could be together.
And they're finally on, as they say,
the same page on the same level.
But then didn't rewrite that maybe this was actually her
true love.
Yeah, it's, I think that's a lot.
I think like, I don't know many people who have gotten
back with an X.
So I feel like this is like an uncommon thing.
And they're doing it for us, obviously,
because who are they going to, what actor would they bring in
to be Carrie's new?
John Ham.
Oh, my God.
It was just in throw for a third time,
but a different character.
That's what we keep pitching.
Yeah, that's what I want.
He's been too already, huh?
Yeah.
And both writers, so he could be another writer.
He could be writing a profile about Carrie for the cut.
I love it.
Don Ham.
But they wouldn't.
It would be, it would need, they wouldn't.
It would like my, the thing that I keep saying is,
and I understand a lot of it, maybe we don't get,
because we're not women of, of that age.
And there's definitely things for women of, of that age
that we can't appreciate.
But I just don't understand the overall message.
I get making Carrie single again,
but let her date in her 50s.
I, it feels like the message is, like, ladies,
you can find love in your 50s
as long as you met them in your 30s.
Yeah.
About who knows how this is going to, yeah.
What are they going to break up a third time, Pia?
What are they going to not?
Like, you think they're going to,
she's going to be like a farm girl?
I'm scared that she's moving to Virginia.
Also, why does her hold on?
We're just skipping, my brain,
because there's so much to talk about.
Why does her apartment look like that?
I know.
What are the fucking shelves above her tiny teen bed?
All right.
Well, we talk about the tiny beds all the time.
All right.
There's the tiniest beds on this show.
It's so, it's so bizarre.
And it's something that Roxanne gay brought to my attention
when the second film came out,
because she was like, literally,
why are they sharing like a full-size bed?
It must just be for camera purposes.
Yeah.
That's what I have to assume that we listen
to a lot of interviews that they do,
and no one has addressed this.
Yeah, we need to address this world
where the one percent is like in tiny twin beds.
Her shelves above the off-centered odd shelves
above the bed and bright yellow is really hard for me.
I think the redesign of her apartment,
I think what's hard about it is that it kind of contradicts
the persona of the girl we know her to be.
Like, that's what those kind of fashion girls apartments look like.
They would never, she would never decorate it like that.
Mm-hmm.
She wouldn't like teal as like the overarching motif
of the overarching color for her, you know, apartment.
Yes.
I've gotten a wrap for thinking that the show is bad,
and it's not that I think that it's bad.
It's just like the execution.
They just shifted a couple of degrees
because it is odd that a woman of her age
and of her socioeconomic strata
is still in this tiny apartment
she lived in her 30s.
Just make it her office.
You can give Carrie a brand new apartment that's cool
and then she goes there once a week or every episode
because she's writing.
Why doesn't she have a podcast?
What did you think about the podcast going away?
Did you feel seen with the podcasting storyline?
Did you?
I mean, no, because both of us would do vaginal wellness spawn
and like live for it.
One, yes.
One hundred percent.
I mean, also, I must compliment you.
You are so good at it.
It astounds me.
I'm doing like organic sounding spawn con.
Oh, thank you.
Like on your podcast.
Like, it's literally, it's incredible.
I mean, I like all the products.
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See, you're lucky with that.
Our podcast.
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But like one day, a fast-growing train start clogged.
It wasn't given an opportunity.
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And I was like, wait, we don't remember like saying yes to this.
So there were things that Lawrence doing spawn for fast-growing trees.
Here's the thing.
I'm honestly going to cry.
There's the thing with having two people.
Is there, you can delegate.
There are some things like the episode descriptions I don't enjoy doing.
So Chelsea does them.
I hate that so much.
And things like the ads.
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How could we?
Okay.
Well, new controversial opinion.
Che outside the Miranda relationship.
We're digging.
Yeah, I don't know.
I agree with that.
I agree with that.
It's like a Stockholm syndrome situation with me.
Or if like, they have just really done a good job
at sort of bringing Che up this season.
But yeah, I'm not hating on Che.
Wait, what I can't stand is the kids and all of that stuff.
Like, the, the, the bountiful amount of side characters
that sort of.
Like, take attention away from, you know,
LTW's son's girlfriend.
I didn't care about that.
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
She has a name.
It's backster.
And that's not even a side character.
I don't know if you've ever watched the show True Blood.
But I was obsessed with True Blood.
And I had to stop watching because they started
to give the side characters their own side characters.
Yeah.
And you guys talk about that a lot.
The side character.
They're side characters.
Like the, yeah.
The, the, the veteran, the woman who's the, uh,
runs the vet that where Che works.
Like, good side character.
Good side side character.
Good side side character.
That's the weird thing is we do, we do now in recent weeks
realize like, oh, there's actually several spin-offs.
We would watch.
I would watch a whole LTW and her documentary career.
I would watch a, a zany 30 minute workplace comedy
with Che and that woman.
Judy.
Yeah, Judy.
I wish the show had worked out for Che.
I thought that was interesting.
Wait, hold on.
Why are we not talking about this?
For me, being homies with Che.
Miranda would never be okay with that.
The amount that they are hanging out and that she's
renting the apartment.
Post break up.
Yes.
Yeah.
They're doing that.
I see that.
They're doing that.
I see that.
To keep Che around.
But it's, no friend would be like, especially the way
that Miranda was so like, continue to big all
the time and like very protective of Carrie, there's no way
that there's a world where Carrie is just calling Che
come with me, like Miranda should have found out about that, gotten mad about it, that
should have been a thing.
Like, why did Che go with, it's very, it's weird.
Because we needed to spend 10 minutes of the episode having Charlotte by condoms for adult
daughter.
That's why we couldn't get that scene here.
Although I do think that it is true to queer culture that your exes are just around, you
know.
It's kind of different.
I think.
But she doesn't know if she's a part of queer culture.
She's been roped into it non-consensually.
But tell what if I had a separate friendship with your ex and asked them to come to things
that I did and murder without you?
Murder.
I don't think I would be mad about that.
I'm on good terms with my exes.
Mm-hmm.
But you would never do that.
Sorry, I have to make a call.
You would never do that.
But what's seen that I really enjoyed as a woman who's had many interactions sexually
in apartments in New York City in my 20s was Miranda going back to what's her face as
a apartment and it being like a shithole in her like stepping in cat litter.
Oh yeah.
Amelia Carsey.
Oh, our hotline blew up because to your point of like you guys remember everything.
Sometimes we don't.
And then the hotline blows up and they're like, did you forget that Miranda had a cat?
This goes so again.
It's tight.
But it's like I don't.
I don't care about the cat.
She cares about the cat litter and the litter's in the middle of the fucking apartment.
But I also, I also did feel that too, Pia, like the realness of that.
She looked so good.
This is going to be her moment and then it got hot for one second and then it just went,
I was like, we've been there.
Some of us, I mean, I've been in apartments with a man that I thought was like so hot
where I walked in and I was like, oh no.
Which they did in the first season when Carrie sleeps with the 20-something girl guy.
Oh yeah, the 20-something girl.
Which was...
Who was that?
Timothy Olafon.
I was about to say Matthew Lillard, someone from the screen franchise Carrie Futt in season
one.
But I think that's where the series should have started.
When Miranda is like, oh, I'm different, but dating is not.
Dating is as shitty in my 50s as it is in my 30s.
I was like, that should have been said in the first three episodes of season one.
But her life is so rough.
It's like, and then Brady having his like attitude problem, that shitty, Brady's shitty
girlfriend.
I was like, poor Miranda, like...
If you just got rid of the kids, it wouldn't be that big of a deal that you have three
new characters.
It's just a lot of story to serve.
It's a...
I'm calling the season at times I rated our version a modern family, but it's a modern
family level of characters.
There's 11 characters that you have to serve in 45 minutes.
I do.
I like to step by step or something.
But again, would love it, and just like that universe where there are a bunch of spin-offs.
All the kids have their own show.
Stop it.
All the kids are in a house at college and over lived.
No.
No, I hate this.
I hate this.
Although I do hope that they spin this out into some sort of extended universe or do different
things with the sex in the city, IP.
I mean they have to we all it regardless of people's opinions
I mean we're all watching it and talking about it like Chelsea had the best idea which is an animated series with Samantha
Yeah
Well done. Sorry to did she
Did she already have the part of was it like the first episode where she like called yet?
She made her cameo. We have not seen it yet
Okay, I was like tonight because I've been watching and it just hit me
That is funny to do animated because I think you could get Kim control to come back and do the voice of Samantha
But I don't think you're gonna get her on set for more than a cameo. Do you imagine how bad
It must be for you to turn down being on one of the most iconic television shows of all time
Yeah, it's it's such a complicated situation people always ask who we side with in the Kim control Sarah Jessica feud and the answer is no one
I see I see how this happened. I think they're just fundamentally very different women and
You know and there's tension because of that and there's something admirable about turning down an ungodly amount of money
Oh, yeah for your principles. I mean, it's in I don't know many people who would do that as a sell-out
I
Well to be fair she turned down the third sex in the city film
They'd never asked her to be a part of an just like that. So she didn't actually say no to being on the show
Oh, she they knew that she wouldn't because she turned down the third film. Yeah, damn that third film
That's like what it made way more money than a series, right? I mean, I don't know about how much money pays
What do we think about Charlotte's kids? Oh?
God, I mean rock yes
Lily hell now. I mean one of the kids
One of the kids of all the children the show had to have a noddling career and so glad it's rock
Yeah, that does speak to the times that we're living in that's I guess that's one thing I I think I miss
When I think about sex in the city versus and just like that is sex in the city really did have its finger on the pulse of
The culture at the time and what was going on in New York and it kind of doesn't you we get glimpses of it here and there
But I think we get I think that's I think when I hear certain people be like the show's too woke
Which by the way using that I don't want to get it
It's you shouldn't ever use that word in that way saying that it's bad because by being inclusive
It's not a bad thing
But I do think like I thought that her being on the podcast are being really uncomfortable with like
How open and sexual everything was like something that would very much happen or having a podcast something would very much happen
Like there's all these like I think I think Charlotte's kids being like spoiled brats
Ultimately and then like rock going through it's like perfect for Charlotte and it's exactly what rich upper east side mothers are going through at
These like very liberal really expensive schools. So I think that like all of that like really tracks
But do we need those storylines when we could just take that time and be with the main three girls?
Yeah, it's not enough care
It's and I point and then I want to know more about
There used to be so much time of carry just kind of like thinking out loud about what's going on
Like I'm not we're not understanding where this eaten thing is coming from so intent like why the whole deep dive
Right, I do think the voiceover did add a lot to sex in the city and we are a little bit
Lost without it. I genuinely think the writers just did not enjoy writing podcast father
And that's why she just sort of dropped it because it's the perfect update of what her column was to just have that be the running commentary
Throughout the episodes, although that's always been our question with the original series is
You know was Steve getting testicular cancer did that show up in her article or people reading we
Reading about how Trey can't get it up. Yeah, her hair is like reading the New York store
Trays reading the New York store star being like fuck Charlotte. Yeah
But that's I mean those are one of the one of those things we just accept it like yes or column
Even though she's sharing very intimate details in these voiceovers, but
Yeah, I think having the podcast would have helped what did you think of widow con?
You know my dad died five years ago
And so my mom is a widow and
Still has it obviously she's 20 years older than Carrie, but like
I got it a little bit like I like see
I don't know, but I'm like is that what you want to do for her?
Like is that what she I don't know. I'm like, I'm just like where is the
There used to be these like really funny low moments and then things that were like very aspirational that you wanted to happen
And there's no like aspirational moments happening someone
Yeah, someone called our hotline and brought up the fact that the main three are not really successful
Mm-hmm like
Carrie's book came out and nothing happened
She didn't even get a so much as a vogue sponsor dinner for her book, you know
She just got to go to widow con and do like terribly giving her a fabulous. I don't think she's that
I don't think she's a particularly successful writer
At least that's the sense we get from the show like no third hour on the today show no hoda and Jenna talking to her about having love and lost
That's the book right love and remember love love and lost yeah, I'm glad Charlotte has a job though
That's great Charlotte not working was hard also with Miranda not really working
Although I guess she has an internship now. I didn't love the body stuff
Oh, yeah, yeah, Pio. What was there?
Why the fuck would you have that be her issue? It was literally as a tiny tummy on her gorge bod
I know
And it's like she's never seen like someone that's a size 18 before she's like looking at this woman like holy shit
Yeah, it's fine to give
Sure you want then she's empowered and free. Yeah
Fine you want to give Charlotte that storyline, but the resolution is I mean tell and I called each other before we recorded that episode
Because I was like the resolution isn't what I think it is and she was like yep. Yeah
That there's like a oh what of you can work here now. Oh, everything's fine
As long as I'm not the fattest person at this gallery. It's it's great. I'll take off these three pairs of Spain
That's a thing all throw away hundreds of dollars of shapewear
On the spot. It was just I was awful to watch it being really sad
I mean really uncomfortable the woman who is cast as the woman who works at the
fucking gallery who's bigger than her
I think that's a sad horrible thing. I think the whole thing is and you know what that actress was probably just given her
Sides for the day and probably not until the
But the thing is it's like there is such a gulf between like the intention of the writers with that plotline
And how it was received because I do think that this was they thought this was a body positive plotline
Yeah, I mean it obviously wasn't for a show that's clearly trying to go out of their way
Admurably to do the right thing
And include many of the issues that we're dealing with today to put like
Charlotte with a tummy feeling bad about herself
And then I mean I was shocked Chelsea also Chelsea's point is that the dress just did look better without the belt like girl
You got to take that belt off. They love to belt everybody
Yeah, but that's part of Patricia field styling legacy from sex in this city
It's like remember when she made people wear like belts over like blazers and blazers like
Cragiton a naked midriff with a giant belt. That was the cutest. I know I sure it's with the bell and your little like abs under the
Yeah, are you on tiktok? You're on tiktok
Have you seen this subway sessions girl that has very carry Bradshaw-esque outfits like
That carry outfit with the bear midriff and the belt and the bra with the crop top and the line
I'm seeing it
This woman dresses like that every day. Is it working?
I mean, it doesn't it could I pull it off? No. Do I like to see other people? Sure
Isn't it amazing how
As people who have all lived in New York for extended periods of time like when I go back
I'm just like so anyone just dresses how they want all the time like oh yeah
It's crazy how much fashion has changed in New York since I moved to LA even like six years ago, you know like I'm
I'm like, oh, I'm so boring like I'm just I'm not because I don't it's not our time anymore
It's not our time
But also where do we go in LA? I go to dinner. Yeah, we only go to dinner. That's what we do. I'm not
catwalking up
Have anyway anymore. You know, I mean, there's no walking down the battery for me
I feel so bad for my younger self thinking because of sex in this city that I needed to wear heels everywhere in New York
Despite being broke and not being able to like take cabs everywhere and stuff like I wore
Psychotic I bought these crazy shoes. They were patent leather like fake slouch with a platform in a huge chunky heel
And I wore them with shorts with ripped up tights and then like ripped up shorts and a leather jacket
With my giant portfolio and my computer and I walked it from
Seventh and D where I lived to fucking school. Oh, I remember that's psychotic. That's mental illness right there
Because of sex in the city. They wanted to look cool going to school. Yeah
Well, also that period
We forget that like until Phoebe Filo went to Selene like people were not wearing sneakers like with dresses like out on the street
It was about like high high high shoes like there was you know like lady Gaga and like those big McQueen shoes
And like that's what it was about McQueen shoes. Yeah, I was gonna say on the other end of the spectrum
I can't believe that I wore just like very thin ballet flats on disgusting New York streets
Barefoot. I know when you can feel like you feel the concrete through you're like fucked up repetto ballet flat nightmares
What do you guys love about the show right now?
I didn't just like that. Yeah, it's everything that's bringing you joy
Yeah, I feel like you're you're moderating two toddlers. You're like say one night
I
I think it's the cast in the acting. I think
Obviously the OG girls spectacular a lot of the new additions also wonderful. I love SEMA
Yeah, SEMA is great because she has bad girl energy
And no one has bad girl energy on and just like that because Samantha's gone
Carrie is no longer chain smoking and partying and fucking a bunch of random guys
So it's like we need someone to be that girl
LTW is also fabulous and aspirational to me. Yeah, well, she's the most I love that they call her LTW
She's like the LSD of yes, yes, I think it's so good. That was on point for sure
But you can see with SEMA and LTW and Anthony that they are the Samantha substitutes. Yeah, and the writers have the most fun writing those three characters
That gorge Italian would never go after Anthony like that
Oh, yeah, that was shocking. I did not see that storyline, but you know what I actually don't mind it because
I like the aspects of it just like that that are kind of light and maybe shall I say Emily and Paris adjacent
Like I'm not saying that it's like the best writing or the best stories, but it's light and fun
And I'm down for that any standout outfits you've liked we talked about LTW last episode that winter look with the fanny pack and
Yeah, that was great. I mean, I think
Carri's met gala look was spectacular. It looked better than her wedding look. I'm sorry. You mean the Met Ball
Oh, sorry. Why do you think it they called it the Met Ball not the Met Gala? I don't know
Is that one in a house? Well, I guess she would be somebody who would be invited. How would Charlie get him invited?
Well, she is on the board. Oh Charlotte's on the board of the Met, but that was kind of
Briefly addressed and then dropped. I don't know. I don't know LTW bought a table
Yeah
Rich chic bitch
Yeah, but will not take a ride from her husband
How do we think that these fucking three kids that Aiden has
Are gonna treat Carri? No, please. Yeah, don't wish that into the world. I can't take more children. There's three more
God, there's three more kids. We know tape why it
We don't know everything. Yeah, we forgot one of them. Whatever two out of three is fine. I don't know. I can't even believe you know tape and why it. I mean worse. We're six sad disturbed people. So I almost added Donovan
I was like, no, that's just the actor tape Donovan. Did we do we know anything about the what at the ex-wife? Yes
She's from the preview. It seems to be the actress Rose Marie Dewitt who is
Was one evidently the actress that rats out Miranda and tells the law if she's pregnant from season four
But also that actress in real life is married to Ron Livingston who played Berger. Oh wow. Are they not?
I don't have enough people I
If it is indeed that actress, which is what people have pointed out it's
Or and I think it's on her IMDB is as well at this point, but
I think if it is indeed the wife of Ron Livingston
I think daddy MPK couldn't help himself. It does how cute that casting is
Yeah, but I do think and just like that it is like law and order special victims unit or something like
People do just come back
And yeah, I guess there's only so many character actors in New York. I know way it's like you
New York City you can't fight someone from LA maybe. I don't know
It just seems like a lot of like that who was the guy that she slept with and he was in season three year four
Whatever like oh charlotte's ex. Yes. I'm sorry. I only know him as mershko hargote's husband
Yeah, he doesn't have a name to me either. It's just that her husband in a hargote
Why would they do why would they bring him back again like it's so odd
Like we're not all watching
Isn't it weird that I think it's weird, but you know
I've I've accepted that there are certain, you know
Fellini-esque elements of the and just like that universe and I've given my pitch, you know
John ham time ham, but bring Timothy Oleh font back like he looks like a completely different man
Like scream to era Timothy Oleh font compared to justified or like once upon a time in Hollywood Timothy Oleh font
Yeah
That man is age better
I don't ever he isn't
He is adult children it feels weird to creep on someone where you're like oh you
Your child has graduated college. I feel bizarre. I think that's healthy and normal
I mean because like I have friends who have kids and have like gone through divorces or have kids with people who
They weren't serious with but like had like I'm like I have a lot of friends who are
Navigating
dating and relationships with children who are not babies around and so
It's like it's been a very interesting thing to watch. This is like a very
Real normal thing, but like you know these are his full children who take up a lot of his life
And my point Pia would be like wouldn't that be an interesting dynamic to explore and not like rock is modeling this week
Like there are genuine things that have not been explored in television that would be interesting to have the sexy city and just like that pervue on that
Rock wanting to quit modeling really fast was
Funny to me. There's no I know they didn't even get their mark Jacobs heaven campaign. It's truly truly sad
season three
Because they are so I
I feel like they would have wanted I feel like the real rock wanted to continue to model
But it was it just needed to be some sort of like Charlotte's annoying thing
Well, they had to decorate Charlotte so much that she's like fine. I'll finally go back to work
I guess these kids don't need me
I think it's ironic and really amazing
I like that they kind of did that I mean it's sad and I hope this never happens to be she's all she wanted was children
Yeah, it's like all this woman ever wanted was children so much and then she got to and they both can't stand her
I mean that is the age like I have a great relationship with my parents
But I remember in the last days of high school being like I I don't want to be here right now
I want to be in New York away from you guys. Yeah. I was a full bitch also
Although at least Lily has her songwriting going for her. I actually don't think she's bad
That's my hot take I would listen to that song you liked mess and avenue privilege
Oh, that's very Lana Del Rey asked lyrics if you think about it
It's not and she's not wrong
How many episodes are left?
Two or three it's gotta be three there can't leave me two
Well, we don't know if the 11th episode is a documentary or if it's the finale what was it last season
It was they did 11 episodes, but the last one was the documentary, which was my favorite episode
I think of the show
I don't think you're allowed to say that the documentary the supplement documentary was incredible
It was great. What are you guys to wrap it up? What are you both hoping to see? Hmm
I'm honestly
I'm just so curious what they choose to do because it seems like a cop out to have carrying eight and break up
It seems like it would signal the end of and just like that if she moved to be with him
Mm-hmm, so I don't know that's where and just like that and the
Syrah Jessica show divorce just become one when she moves up state with eight in
I want to see Miranda
dating as a queer woman in her fifties like I think that's really interesting
And yeah, I want Charlotte to have plot lines that don't revolve around being a wife or a mother or
You know whether or not she should wear a belt
It's awful
Because it's the Charlotte I do because I I like Charlotte. Of course. I've always had oh yeah
What's your yeah, how do you identify and we do it by rising signs? So I'm a marina you tell me what I am
I don't know I'm a Miranda with a carry rising
I'm a Miranda with a carry yeah, I think so I'm a Miranda with a carry rising too. I thought you were sometimes Samantha
But a Samantha moon husband you seem like a carry
With a Charlotte rising. There's a lot of Charlotte. I mean, I'm like a Pasadena housewife, you know, I could you're wearing polka dots right now? Yeah
Mm-hmm
But there's a little bit of broad suppose which is giving carry. Yeah, that's the carry the carry jumped out
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I saw your mind reaching there and I was like girl. Are you okay? We're having a stroke
Like Charlotte. I eat the special brownies before coming on here. I knew as soon as she took a bite of the brownie
I was like that's a pop brownie
Yeah, we knew where that was going
But whatever it took to get her, you know back in the workplace
I don't know no consequences for her teenage daughter for bringing in space cakes
By the way, space cakes were like 10 years ago these kids have like my
Little I'm not gonna out family members, but like those kids take better stuff than I do
You know what I mean? Yeah, they're also all about like psychedelics it like mushrooms and stuff now
I feel in straight vaping. Yeah, so yeah, so someone needs to vape on the show if we're having this many kids
Like someone's got a vape I'm sorry being child
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