He Will Just Stay an 8 | Will 8 Point Bucks Always Stay 8s?

So welcome back to the raised hunting podcast, and we're going to officially start because t0 535 I think is the number is giving us a topic that we almost talked about in our last podcast But we decided not to said we were gonna hold it and do it it of its own and But there's more to and and was the exact comment do we believe eight point bucks are always eight point bucks or have evidence or Have evidence or but was there any more to that question? I don't think so that was basically it. Let me pull it up for the fourth time. Okay It's gonna pull it up for the fourth time to make sure we get this right because we we can start though right there I don't mind going first and answering this question and see well make sure you tell everybody to keep I do in the reviews Also, oh actually just hold on He said wondering what our thoughts or evidence was on eight always being eight other than an injury causing abnormal antler growth or a random kicker point I've been told a mainframe eight will never grow to a mainframe 10 and just wonder if that's really the case Thanks again for the podcast and useful information all right We're gonna give you some more useful information, but leave those reviews you leave leave reviews this topic came from the Apple guys are still winning No, the Spotify people are winning. They are apples trying to catch up That's what we've been saying for the last seven weeks. Okay, well it's Spotify not Shopify So I mean just the fact that I'm keeping those two separate I don't know what to tell you. I told you guys. Yes, they put in or in the last podcast put in your application because I just about had no. Yeah You got your feet up on the table. Yeah, I have cookies. Guess what people comment on it and obviously they're watching them So anyways, I have your food David would you for once in your life? You're becoming as bad as him I think you need me kills to just stay focused All right, I have a city here and being okay. Go ahead. I don't have a theory actually. I didn't think I had a deer I do have a deer that I could prove this with now Oh boy answer being no, he's a fork or do a eight stay That's that's does not even pertain to the question because we're talking about eights. So Yeah, eights don't stay eights forever some of them might but main frame Yeah, main frame eight doesn't mean that it's always gonna be a main frame eight What deer are you thinking of that this bunks that I had my dumb little freaking annoying white eight Uh Year before I don't think he's been an eight for two years straight. That's very harsh to that. He's really annoying deer Gonna give him a complex. He's next. He's Joey's next but annoying. I think you should call him David. I agree So David that deer I've known him for three years You think you guys are the first two years that I've known him and last year he was a nine Hmm how long was it you for like an inch It was a classified point. That's but that's know what he said is a main frame eight. Was it a kicker or was it? No, it was another point. Okay, so he grew it before he was He's flat out actually actually if we're gonna get really technical. He's saying ten. No That would still be a main frame eight because it just uh, it's an unmatched point Okay, so I I want to weigh in because I have valid evidence Okay, and you'll know when I say it. Oh, yeah And that is eights don't always stay eights. They can become something else without an injury without an injury In the perfect example would be the wide eight that became the wide ten the next year and his G4s were five to six inches long And he was 160 some inch deer That is a good one and he went perfectly from an eight to a ten And we had really we have tons of trail camera. We have tons of trail camera pictures of it And the other one would and it is it is absolutely undoubtedly the same deer and we have a sheds and we can And we could show you we could look at his sheds and they are they are smooth as a baby's butt And the next year he's got two G4s Yeah, and they're legitimate. But I have another five six inches. Okay, is the big eight The big eight the next year was an 11 with two G4s and a kicker. That's true Oh minus the kicker because it does account. So he's a ten So what he but he went from it into a ten. So get there Sorry You know, I think it'd be a lot easier for Nick to just sit there with a beat button And whenever he feels a cunt Because otherwise that that we keep asking ourselves Why is it fit too well? I don't know what it is. I just have to Thank you make a proof of my head honestly though. No like That you just made two very good points. I have a question about one two Well, we need to call Shane. What about juice He switched up quite a few times didn't he? No, he always stayed in mainframe eight though I thought he was an eight when he was when me and dad saw him then he had one year where he had All sorts of crap. No, no. Did you Did you have the big eight aged? I think we did six Okay, interesting because I would have thought I'd ask this is very interesting I agree I was trying to think of a deer that we which is weird for me because usually I have no problem thinking of these things But I was trying to think of one that was an eight that went to a mainframe 10 and the wide the wide is a perfect example And the big eight is a perfect example So is what that would say and and I'm going to call Shane and let him know hey you might want to rethink your management practices Because I don't want it. Oh, yeah, she's crap out of them. That's why he let well actually Nick shot a nine Wasn't it was he a nine? Yeah, Nick shot, but Nick shot like a one-year-old 120 something nine That was probably going to be 200 at some point And it's okay Nick. It's all right. It's okay He doesn't care his first deer I just had to rub it in for him. Shane told him shoot but Shane Shane said was telling me that he Just whacking eight because he wants to get rid of all the the eights and I know a lot of people that believe that same thing my first question would be I first of all just why Because now like if there One I think so I think where this whole thing is gonna go here is the deer management, right that you're shooting what we call bucks, right? Yeah, beep it out Nick. Anyway, you're shooting my management here, but you know, they're the ones that you see them on the camera You're like, ah shit buck, you know, because they're always there and So I don't don't ever call them that too because if you have a really picky Significant other like I do they won't shoot it because you called it a a A beep buck. Well, we also don't put very much weight behind that It's not like we some of them though are cool. Yeah, a lot of a deer. A lot of that It's just a lot easier way to classify. Okay, this one's not in camera. This one's not yeah I think when we classify a deer that's not it like we would say you'd have 140 something jay Maybe the 150 in jay that all of us would shoot, but we would still call in the Rare bug because if he six or something like that because he's we know he's never gonna probably be anything more than that But my question would be is a deer that's say three years old And he's an eight and he's got pretty good tines pretty good eye guards decent mass Why would you shoot that deer? Because look at juice Oh, yeah, juice, but he's a 180 inch deer right, but he also had the I feel like he had the potential from day one We were a year off on his age every year because we thought he was old younger than I mean how do you know Like how would you ever know that when you don't look at these deer at two or three? This is a really maybe maybe somebody that is listening is gonna ask or asking this question themselves I think this might be a dumb question, but so if you think it's a dumb question, I I'm gonna be the dumb one to ask it If you take this theory though and the first rack of deer grows Is not it could be a fork at horn it could have a deer it could be a deer that's incredibly big and has uh Five points on each side if somehow he magically grew his first rack But that first rack never determines what he's gonna be the following year I don't know you know that's what I'm saying is the second year He may still not even have all the times that he's probably gonna have it his full potential. So how How could you is that just a dumb question to ask because okay? Well, they're so young obviously they got a lot of growing to do or Is that a valid what all their side to the argument? I think that it's up to the hunter or the manager's Perspective on what you decide you want to manage and what you don't But I think classifying point-wise is not a way to go Well, I'm not talking about class. I'm talking about the fact of do eight stay eight forever If that is I've confirmed that that's not the case Okay, I was just going on the fact that some people aren't gonna be convinced by your two deer Okay, so that's Yeah, but I guess my point is I kind of felt like that was the case before these incidents before I started I never have I did that one at some I mean there was a time in my life where I was like okay He's an eight point buck. He's probably gonna be an eight point buck that but at the same time I think as you see eight point bucks that look like there You there's no way of absolutely knowing I've said it before you it's impossible to age every deer Especially if you don't have some history with them But when you look at a deer and you think you're looking at a five-year-old deer and he's an eight point buck I would have said the chances of him ever changing now was not good and I would have been wrong Because we do know the age of the wide eight was four And he so from three to four he added his G-Force and we know that the age that the big eight became a ten Was from five to six That's what I was gonna say is I was gonna say I before you brought those two deer up I was gonna say that I felt I feel like three-year-olds A three-year-old eight could could turn into a ten But if they're like four or five the chances of them going from a mainframe eight to a mainframe ten is Is not gonna happen but now now I would still say that I think that's slim But obviously the big eight is a great case which we get that comment all the time the do's an 11 Yes, we're aware when we knew the deer he was a eight eight but he was mature and Went to an 11 and he without that one inside kicker. He'd be a mainframe ten So but I don't I just don't understand why everybody wants to shoot Shoot eights like why eights have such a stigma around them of being crap deer because some of them Turn into frickin tanks like 160 inch 8 150 60 inch 8 is fluid huge And I'd rather like that's what the one I need now is I need a big eight uh the The next question I have though is so when you really think about some of these deer I'm trying to think of how many deer have we looked at that were two or three-year-olds and we're like that deer is gonna be a tanker and then they don't do anything and then how many we looked at that have been like you weren't We're even on the radar and they frickin blow up. Well, I think our biggest issue we had won this year already that you thought was gonna be Much like grow blow up and I thought just from the amount of times I'd seen him thought that he was a little older I was like no, he I feel like he's not gonna do a whole heck of a lot who gypsy And he's freaking blown up. Oh, yeah blown up saying that I thought he was going to you thought that he was gonna blow up last year Saying last year from this year. Yeah, and I was saying that I was and I don't think that deer has it Like I don't think he's gonna do much and this year we've got him again, and he's He's put on like 30 inches from last year and and I think that what ends up happening it in the case that I the ones that I know of When they blow up at two they get killed Because we don't have big enough farms to keep them on there and then they are big enough That someone sees them and they shoot him. I mean the ones I would use as a chunky moon Meaning that they're willing to run around a lot more as opposed to a four-year-old or five-year-old or six or two and three-year-olds To me that no mad you're two and three year old. Oh, is he four three three three and then the nine Yeah, the nine was 148 inch deer. I think is what we scored We have both sheds from him and he was 148 at two years old And someone killed him the next year at what you scored him the other day just under 160 How did we end up with him? I found him dead 157. I found him two years later I'm gonna go ahead and go four inches short on both of the deer I scored though and I do not know how I did it We previously scored the one out of my room was 160 I thought was 160 three Measurement. No me and him are all I've learned from him and every time we We went and scored all the deer in our house because I wanted to write down the actual measurements of each thing And I was within an eighth of everything that he had and so then when I went and measured that I have no idea We're because I know he was over 160 and I got one got him at 158 I know he was too because I remember thinking he only had like 21 inch beams. Yeah, he was 160 with 21 inch beams Yeah, I can't I mean his masses absurd, but I'd get you're off to you guys probably baselines Anyways, yes, I measured him at 157 How many though have we been wrong on that we were like that one's gonna blow up and he didn't do anything I can think of a few but like I can think of the one the baby giant I would have never told you that he was gonna do what he did Yeah, I mean it sure I'd have looked at him and be like yeah, that deer could do something not 60 inches right I don't who knows what he's gonna do this year which for everybody listening He was 80 inches last year, so or the year before so he was only like 140 inch deer. It's okay He's just a deer throwing him off our trail. I knew it you okay Goodness I can think it so there was that same place where baby giant was there was a 10 that you found I think you found the one side and then I found the other side That we were confident was gonna be a tank and he was like probably one 45 it three or something like that and just had everything great time length great eye guards good mass And he's pretty much done nothing. Yeah, like 150 maybe last year. Yep. Might have grown five inches. Well the deer you killed Two years ago No, remind me to look at a deer at our the farm. We just checked Okay, cuz I think it might be one of my deer. Okay, so my point is is that oh good Oh, yeah Okay, so my point is is that the deer you killed two years ago that year the year before that was Right within two three inches of what he ended up being and we figured he was four or five years old And so he still should have the potential to grow and he put on like two inches three inches. Yeah, but then On the other hand You have Ralph Okay, who was Probably 170 at four one seventy at five Maybe he was a little bigger we did because he was a tough dear judge And then was it six that he find or was there one more year in there that he was still like the same thing No, it was two in a row. I think I think I think at five he was probably pushing the 180 mark I think he had grown we just didn't really Well, if you remember right when me and dad first saw he is one one seventy but one seventy two We found his checks. He looked like he was one fifty because the freaking body was so big. Yeah, yeah It what year was that the you six seventeen that was sixteen You sure? No, sixteen is when I killed that dear early season. I think it was fifteen Wasn't seventeen. That's when I killed sixteen. I think it was sixteen Okay, oh, I don't do sixteen was when I killed the October 8 Okay, so seventeen I don't think so I think it was fifteen, but anyway is what you know way that was the first year We on it there. Yeah, one nine year. Oh, then how'd it been seventeen because it can't be sixteen I was done. That was it was ever done and I was freezing my butt off with that's that that was a McDonald's run Okay, so I have to look at footage one on you guys start asking about that many years ago Yeah, cuz that was also that was also bullwinkle's biggest year seventeen. Yep. Yeah, why you should not be able to know this That's what I'm doing is I'm noting it so that I know in my head which I'm saying relating to bullwinkle That's what I'm doing so seventeen. He was one seventy eighteen. I think he was about the same That's when he added just a little G5's right and then all of a sudden in nineteen when we're assuming that he was six He Exploded like added twenty some inches or so huge Prey eight nine inch flyer off of his G2 split his G3's and added G5's on both sides and split his i-garts like just friggin blew up like I think I really do believe there was over 200 Don't know what under he had we had one more year with him I think he's he'd gone downhill was praying that 180's maybe 190 Probably 190 because our neighbor found one of the sheds and it was It was 80 Is there 89 or 85? I think it was 89 And then um and then after that he's been gone for four or five years. Did you kill drag the same year? that You killed you guys are way off topic here. I don't know Well, I just saw that dragon is 2017 and I didn't think that it was the same year that he's talking about Is what we're is what I'm getting to at least that I think that I think we've answered in our opinion I wouldn't be I would not be calling eight At least not till they're five What That sounds like you said calling eight It's not like you said I wouldn't be calling eights You should be calling that but that's why I was laughing because I think you should be doing that too But anyways Anyways, let's add let's add to the eight point questions. I don't think that that's from going I think that we can all I think we would all agree here that shooting two Three and probably four-year-old eight points is not a good idea Do you agree? No, I don't agree 100% okay dad's also the one that sees just make me roll. Yeah, that's no eyegar This is the reason kill because swoops. Yeah, it's huge. He he doesn't want to admit it. And so he's can't you know? I swoops exactly what I thought he was gone. Oh, he is maxed out like 145 Are you kidding me? He was over 150 last year. He wasn't my B. Yes, he was My BS meter is off We need waiters junk. Yes. No, he's been junk the whole time. Okay anyways Dad cannot admit he was wrong on this deer because he was saying that this deer was not going to be anything He would never do anything and and he hasn't and the deer has is a very good deer now probably mid 50s to 160 last year His beams were like 26 or something like that he just thought he looked weird at two because he had 21-inch beams at two So you're wrong on that one, but anyways, we'll move forward. I agree. I'm not backing you up on this Totally wrong. I will just make my statement then that I don't believe that you should be shooting an eight point unless he's a I don't believe you should be shooting any eight at two or three just because he's an eight at four If he's a total junk deer like total junk deer crappy i-garts no mass whatever sure shoot him I don't think I would tell you to do the same thing with a 10-2 But a good four-year-old eight. I would tell you not to shoot down either I would tell you honestly that Calling any deer is going to be Very difficult because I don't believe you should be doing that until they're four at the youngest and the problem that Throws such a huge wrench in that is I think that 80% of us are off on what we think the ages of these deer are And so you might be shooting one that is actually three or two at a year or two if you think it's whatever you think it is That's his opinion So he can have his opinion history. Yeah, that's my opinion. It's all I do think that you can shoot some eight some tens I mean you get deer that you can shoot that we should have already shot swoops Well, you also said that you were shot that you tried to get him to shoot juice. So right I'm wrong because he's 180 and that now that's why you know the other one he tried to give me to shoot what chunky monkey Oh, I didn't try to get you to shoot. I told you. Yeah, you could shoot Chunky monkey was a three-year-old that was probably in the mid-40s the only reason we know that is because he walked underneath dad and I At one years old and he was a full ten and had like 16 inches of mass. He had like these nine-inch main beams and just this Unbelievable mask. We have a good great video of it Yeah, and dad's like that deer's freaking chunky monkey and I was like yeah And so we named him chunky monkey and so then at two years old It was really easy to identify him because it was the this little tiny deer with this just stupid insane mass He looked really good under my stand Yeah, and eastern and dad asked me like hey, is there any deer that you know that we you think we should definitely pass I was like just chunky monkey and cage. You said don't shoot cage because cage was licking our stands I was like chunky monkey or cage, but I was like if there's one really not to shoot like chunky monkey Don't shoot that deer and then they come back later and they're like we almost killed a really good deer Now look at the video. I'm like that's flipping chunky monkey And then cage is sitting right there. We didn't think it's that our shooting game. He knew the difference So but um Well, here's the question that I would like I wish someone could answer because I don't know the answer to this because I don't believe It I think it's very difficult to tell the difference and that is Spikes is the other combination or the other argument that comes up all the time should you shoot spikes and No, I mean, and my point is that the argument. Oh, yeah There's a lot of people that think once if they come out and they're a spike the first year They're not gonna be much now. There've been some studies. I have read some myself Dear did one on that and said that that's not the case that they can that it can just be that they were born early Um, just a couple different things. Did your dog fart? That is the worst one I've ever snuck Oh my lord What did he eat? Oh my I think he might I think it might be seeping out. You need to look. Oh that reeks. Oh my god I'm going anywhere. Dude my eyes are watering How are you okay? I can't smell it because he's got the same level of freaking fartness Yeah, he can that sucker up and send that time right the heck that's over. That would not be illegal That would be breaking the Geneva Convention So there's a little rocket man. So anyhow, it's good. We're good. I think Oh, it's still under a little bit. That's disgusting. That was terrible. I I think that hit the top of my cranium It's not hard to get there. There's nothing to go through. Oh well, it filled it up It was coming back out my eyeballs. That's why they were watering. All right. Let's uh well like I said So there's a few comments on spikes. It's that I do think they've done some studies that say that you should not shoot spike bucks Because you think that they're going to be always inferior Smaller deer that they can bounce back can be just Bounce back. They've never started to bounce up Well, that's what I'm talking about still trying to figure out how to bounce It's like I've milk on their lips. Yeah, so Um, but rarely just got off the dead. Of course he's not gonna be anything yet Rarely do you get a buck that's one years old that you can go. Oh my gosh chunky monkey. I mean those kind of deer are rare Yeah, that you see just a massive deer already the other one he was two Um was eight ball. Oh, yeah He had all the makings to be a giant deer and again he got killed how many of those so so how many eight balls how many of those types here God how many eight balls Okay, why did you never done eight points on one side That's it that was it he had eight points on one side at two years old dude I think the next sent we come on you know what eight ball is we should name it. I do know what an eight ball is You think he doesn't know what an eight ball is. Well, why would you name a deer that Because it's also just a ball in a crap for what I called jubber. Okay, can we get back that's a little worse But what else because I do you need the lord um What are you doing how many he cracked his pants again How many go away from it and he stuck on my cord 12 inches is gonna help you. Oh, it smelled over here First time you can count 12 This is awful You're gonna use this podcast. There's a good chance where he's gonna be in there for hours I can't believe I still have my train of thought but I do And that pills kicking in how many of these deer have we had that Like if we try to throw a percentage on it like an eight ball that we thought was gonna be a giant and then they They don't do that much I thought we've already been over this yeah But we were trying to answer it before you got off on your goofy tangent. Yeah, idiot. I would say I'm telling you that in my opinion Like 75% of them are 80% of them get killed so we never know or when I say get killed the ones that we do know Cage cage did exactly without he was gonna do so to kb I knew kb had he had a lot of potential, but he was lacking the mass which heard him for a lot of his years. Yep blade Blade was already huge though really from the first year that we knew him. Yeah Mongo but blade didn't grow like we expected we were hoping that he was gonna do A lot more. Yeah, and he didn't do a lot more uh The the goofy eight Didn't he I'm trying to remember him when he looked like the year before he looked like the younger one version now Yeah, he grew a lot he did yeah Uh It's honestly most of them that we've Thought we're gonna do something had done that Yeah, the only time he's talled out the stalled out he'd stayed right away smaller than we thought he was that deer that deer would have been the most Except we did have an inclination and he was yeah, he's the biggest looking small deer That's not small he's not small 160 inch deer small when you guess is 20 and 54 Oh, I thought he would hand it up right at 160. No 158 154. Yeah, he low 150 Yeah, he like barely broke which is not a small deer that let's clear that up It's not a small deer, but the deer looks like he could be 165 170 And we genuinely thought he was that was probably no, I was pretty sure we were dad and I were pretty sure I didn't make 170 He's got he had no beams. I never really hunted him But every time they showed me pictures of him. I thought that deer was freaking huge Well, that's where he'd have really fooled you if you didn't do the numbers on him Oh, I didn't I didn't do any the the kicker was is g2's his g2's were look like they were 14 and I bet you they were only a foot Which is still big, but they looked like they were 14 inches long So then when you start comparing g3 and brow tines you're like oh my gosh, you know, he's got to be It starts adding up a little quicker. Yeah What about the flip side of when they get older Uh, and they start um They go downhill because we've seen or I can think of a couple, but I know as a whole we've all seen multiple deer that'll go from they could go from A 10 or a 12 to Either something really funky as they get really old or start losing tines. They'll lose their tines and maybe put on a little mass or Maybe neither Kb's in my opinion the perfect example of just watching him Go up the ladder and down starting down the lines though. Did he yeah? Yeah, yeah, you lost complete You lost a nine inch time the last year not from being broken. No, just wasn't there. Oh Did I thought he stayed the year 12 or whatever the heck he was oh when we killed him this year He was down three or four points Yeah, yeah, I just thought he was down three or four points because he broke off half his main beam again Oh, no, he was like he was pretty much a typical 14 at one point Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, I think well, I think because the thing that we don't realize when they get older Like five to six and six to maybe maybe seven is Even four to five is from four to five. They don't usually look that much bigger But they added a little mass and they added one kicker here or whatever and it ends up being Ten inches. Yeah, and then you see him from four to six and it's like, oh, I think a lot in five juries No, four to six you may look at him at six and be like, oh, he didn't really do a tons since four But if he did another 10 inches again, all of a sudden you have a deer that's 20 inches bigger And if he was already 160 at four or something like that you got a 180 inch deer Yeah, for us for whatever reason seems like they they 170 is kind of Just as big as ours get all man And I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that we've had but it just seems like our top tier deer have a hard time going over 170 yep, which I guess we've had a few that went that would have Ralph would have been over Well over one Edie even been in the 90s. I've never even hunted 170 inch deer. I don't think I mean this like Ralph I didn't that he just showed up But going past that you had Ralph and Bullwinkle. Yeah, I know. I'm saying like I they showed up not knowing that they were like we're just hunting And they showed up but like after that later on in my hunting career. I don't think I've ever like Been sitting there knowing of 170 inch deer Besides last year would be the closest and he's as much as I'd love to say he's 172 He I think he's gonna be 169 or 172 So I mean he would be the biggest which is still huge, but I really haven't even well Then you have like a hammer who's what that's huge that right there is where I would say that you can add all the numbers you want Mass will be the thing that will throw you off more than anything when it comes to scoring a deer or or why a score shouldn't even matter There can be so much antler there and yet and hammers the perfect example because he was a mainframe 8 Yep, and Everybody that I know would want to kill him. Oh, yeah If any of you guys and shoot him as a trophy deer Absolutely, you guys have seen our some of our posts. We've done in the past years The shed that was four and a half pounds. Isn't it 4.7 or 4.5 or something like that 4.5. I think 4.5 pounds One antler that's hammers side and it's just a four point clean points just no junk nothing 27 inch be actually we had him on the podcast one time hammer. Yeah, his sheds. Yeah, Nick went and got him Yeah, well, and the funny thing about it is the year before his what was it 67 When I found his antler the first time I found a shed it was 67 and his i guard was only like an inch or so And and we didn't even know the deer was big Till I found the antler. No, I Because that's the year that Marty came and I told Marty you need to shoot that deer If you see that deer on the hood. Yeah, but we thought he was a junk butt No, I thought he was just a big heavy deer I didn't know that he would score 160 something. Yeah, we didn't think he was that big I just thought that he was one of the deer when you and Marty were up there that I said if you get if you see this deer You're gonna want to shoot it. I mean it's that hammered right at one fifth. Oh, I knew hammer At the time we didn't have a name for we didn't name that we were sitting at bottom for him. Yes Yeah, we just knew him as a big heavy eight. Yeah, but I don't think you even you knew that that his base was six and a half inches I mean, I just knew that he was big. Yeah, and then that deer just got Stupid. Yeah, that's the that's my favorite deer of all time probably the biggest other than other than that one other that we had on that same place several years earlier That deer was huge He was probably 200 So but mass is the see that if I'm gonna if I'm gonna manage deer I want to manage for the deer that don't have mass That's that's where I because it doesn't seem like if they don't have it they never get it and KBE again Was one that I was like the the difference between him and cage and we really believe that cage and him were brothers I mean they I really think those two farms were born at the same time and they grew up and cage had everything it minus The extra points and the reason why explain why we believe Because thoroughly that they were brothers because every time that we saw them they were together every time that they They seem to swap a certain Characteristic of a dagger point coming out of the base of their forehead Well, when they were both three so when they were both of these deer were three Yes, they were both in the probably 140 something like that and and they each on the perfectly in the center on the base of their antlers had probably a four to five inch sticker Coming out on each side and both of them had that exact same thing. Yep It was weird and they were definitely the same age structure You'd see them in a on a trail camera photo standing side-by-side. They were the same age They were together a lot. We'd see summer pictures of them together um But one carried mass and was a mainframe 10 the other one was like Warren said he ended up being a mainframe 14 But he didn't have the mass cage was outscore kb Eventually, yeah, but we're pretty sure eventually he got killed Yeah, you know man. He was a pretty dear and and if you had stood them side-by-side Even though the other one one has massive amount of points the other one has massive amount of antler I would shoot the Lessor pointed one because he's a in my opinion. He's a nicer deer. No Yeah, they're If a deer's got stupid mass. I don't care if he's got a tiny or two inches What I'd say stupid mass though I'm talking about you He needs I would have traded conferences overseas. I would have traded Hershey for the deer. You ended up killing that year Which deer did I kill that year? I don't know, but it would have been better. Hershey I don't know that they're well I've seen a deer that has a nine and a half inch spread I think it scores over two hundred inches. I'm a good I would have been all right with that. He was like 130 now Hershey is the most disgusting deer pushing 160. He's not pushing. Well, he's big, but He hates on all his deer. No, I don't. I love all my deer except for Hershey That six inch it spread it nine and he's think it's nine and a half inches nine and a half inch spread and he scores over two hundred So each side is 95. Yeah, it's freaking stupid mass It's hanging on the guys were all outside of winter said Iowa. Yeah, yeah I was killed many many years ago I but I wish the guy would pull it out and let people actually even bigger than that It's it up to be they got to be like 97 at a minimum. It's huge It was cool. It was one of the coolest deer I've ever laid eyes on Do I know this person? No, I don't even know his name We went to track a deer for I took Dan to track a deer for someone and they had permission to hunt from this guy And so while we were hanging around the house, we want to give a little more time get everything situated He said, oh, you want to see the deer I killed a few years ago here and walked in and he said a few years ago I think it was killed in the 50s or 60s You've had a really big few years, buddy, buddy had it a fish It was officially scored and everything and I mean, it's just huge Back when Roosevelt was still in office They still you know one of these days you guys are going to realize that 2023 is of long time ago. I'm also I'm just I'm just saying a few years and then you said no That's what he said was this was killed a few years ago and then we walk in there and I'm like yeah, that's a few years ago Okay. Yeah, that's like 73 years ago. Oh, it took me by surprise too You know, but how do you know it was in the 50s or 60s? It was all printed on he had the plan. Okay, he had the like okay It's all labeled there and tells you everything about it Yeah, that was official, you know, I mean someone signed it in everything. Yeah So that's how okay, I'm with you. Yeah, it wasn't just him telling me so it's official I'm saying he had the paperwork to go with I'm joking. I just thought that was funny. Okay, like I told you guys Anytime that you want to put an application if you want to wear You can There you go next That's what wrap it up. All right, where's the wacky facts? I'm on it You guys check for a second. He doesn't have one. I'll be clear about Hershey. I do I am grateful for that deer But I will say he's ugly you super ugly. I think you're wrong. Yeah, he's he's got like he doesn't actually I don't you not like he doesn't have a tiny or seven inches The coolest part of coolest feature about him is the color of his antlers Which had to be chocolate Hershey. Yeah, that's why we call them Hershey Chocolate Hershey's chocolate. Yeah, but it was the most impressive shot I've ever made on a deer too You hit him. I didn't hate him. I smoked that some buck Gotcha All right, so we have definitively talked about antler size and scores and eight points aren't eight points and But we're about ready to close this but I think Warren has gotten his wacky fact ready. I got it All right And then and I think that this may explain a lot of things your brain uses up around 20% of your body's blood and oxygen I think your guys is Is more like seven and a half percent And that would explain why you guys have such a hard time following along No, not if I'm upside down I'm gonna get I'm gonna get you a signal Buck man. Oh, that's a cool superhero name. We're gonna have to remember that for something this fall Jackie Bushman's gonna try and trade market on yes, you better hurry. Yeah, Buck. Oh Yeah, all right. Are we out? Is that it? That's how much blood flow that you they brain uses and yeah Okay, that was kind of piss poor if you ask me he kind of let us down on today That was that that was one of your worst ones yet Yeah, so but anyhow we share appreciate you guys tuning in and we tried to make this I don't know how much of this is gonna be cut So you may only see four or five minutes of this because these guys went off on some tangents today that you just can't do You know, but we share appreciate everyone tuning in Thank you for the reviews both the Spotify and the Apple guys that are doing it and the youtuber dudes and the youtube guys man, I mean the ones that are watching So thank you guys for tuning in and for all the reviews and from the raised hunting crew. We be out We be out book man out