Hunting Stories From The South: With Special Guest Mr. Jim

So real quick guys, we want to welcome you back to the raised honey podcast. A couple people have done exactly what we've asked. They've written in reviews. We've had people sharing their ideas on that. Excuse me. I'm getting a little cold. Sharing reviews and then also asking, hey, would you do this on your podcast? But a couple people that we want to bring out that wrote in reviews and specifically said something. Gary Bateman, we're trying to do what we can buddy. His one comment was he gave us a great review, but he'd like to see us try and get louder. So I think our guest today is going to help a little bit with that. He talks pretty loud. But anyhow, and then another one is a elite gun eat and he gave us a great review. We sure appreciate you said he doesn't listen to him very often. He's actually trying to move, get his wife to move to Iowa after watching and he lives in Northern Virginia so I can relate. No smart man. If you like to whitetail him. He said it wasn't so smart. He got the look from his wife. So he's not going. So anyhow with that, I just want to introduce everyone and say thank you for being here. So again, we got special guests with Warren and Easton are back with me. But the true special guest today is we are doing our podcast from Alabama at the location of the GAMO Squirrel Master Classic at the Southern Sportsman's Lodge and sitting next to me is Mr. Jim. And I want to welcome you because we've gotten to hear some of the stories this whole weekend and we were like, there's no way we can leave here without not bringing the knowledge that you have, the information, the fun facts to light. So I appreciate you for being here. Thank you. Thank you. We had a real good classic. We did. We were all thinking real good. Especially because we won again. I knew someone was going to throw that in there. Not that we have anything against Michael Waddell or Ralph and Vicki or any of the other teams or Nick now that they have to own collector as two teams. But I kind of feel bad because we talk so much crap. It probably looks like we hate them. Yeah, not really. Do you like them? When you put competition in, it's a whole different ball. Yeah, it is. For sure. It's a whole bit. Nobody, me neither. Nobody likes to lose. Right. You know, if you come in a second, you're laughing. You might as well be. You know, he coined that phrase too, right? If you first your last, how big is that? Right. Who talks about second place? Nobody. I have all the Squirrel Master classics been here. Yeah. Nine of them. Nine of them. Yeah. It's been over nine years now. Yeah. I think so. Next year will be ten. Next year will be the 10th anniversary. Yeah, they're going to put you for next year so they're going to keep doing it. It seems like it gets bigger every year too. As far as well. You know, you got the best way you can do to teach a kid to hunt is keep them going 22 or something like that and then steal hunt squirrel. Yeah. I mean, it's fun with the dogs and everything. Because you're going through that's fun. But you can teach a kid to walk through the woods and sneak on squirrels and know how to get through the woods, you know, real good. It's real good to do that. I did it when I said me a little. That's all I did. Me and you both. Only different. So as I was carrying a 410, I wanted to blow them out of the tree. Yeah, they told us we had that. Yeah. I wasn't as good a shot as you were. Well, you learn to shoot. Yeah. You know. But and I think that's what I love about the classic is that you get we're introducing these 4-H kids to the outdoors and things like that. But the things that you can't teach them that we're not intentionally teaching them is the history they see when they walk in this place and they start to, you know, if you're out visiting with them, some of the landowners, some of the dog handlers, everyone has a different perspective, but it's all from hunting. We got real good people around at Hill. You know, like Kyle and then. Tremendous. I mean, a bunch of them that helped us. They helped us with the Buckmaster's classic. Okay. We had to take 45 people hunting and we couldn't do it here. So we, folks came in and took our work for a week to help us do that. Yeah. And so that's how we. How many years did you guys do the Buckmaster classic? 15 years. I think. 15 years. And some of the pictures that are in here have some of the most elite people in the world. Oh, yeah. Everybody. I don't think any places had as many as we have here. I would say there's no way. At least anywhere that we've been. Nobody has anything like what you guys. Well, I got a father. They don't walk. Yeah, that's your daughter's same thing. Granddad, place to put the pictures. Yeah. What I best ask it is we get returned business like that picture on the wall right there. It's five people in there. That's a total of 165 years of hunting at this large. Holy cow. And you don't get that. Yeah, unless you're doing something right. Right. You got to be. When we did our duck hunt with pop, that was we thought three generations was a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah. I mean, they've been coming for you. Well, since we start, oh, Mo, you know. Now some of the people that have come through here that I recognize Bo Jackson. Yeah. Walt Garrison. Yeah. Barry and Gene Wenzel. Maybe not as they may not be as famous in the general public as. The lady that looks like mom. The man. The man. Drell says that is the one. Yeah, she was the look. Yeah. Yeah. Learn hard. They'll earn hard. They learn hard. Oh, baby Allison. Baby Allison was part of the nicest fellow ever been. This gets sound really dumb. Who's David Allison? No, the race car driver. Okay. Ernest. Okay. I know the Ernest that's a singer now. Yeah. You guys are all talking about Ernest of comedian. Yeah, the comedian. He did Beverly Hillbillies, the movie. He was a jig clapping on the new modern Beverly Hill. Right. They don't know. He was real smart. He was real smart. But he was not a runner really. I think didn't I see Jeff Foxworthy in there as well? Yeah, Jeff Foxworthy. That fits. That fits. That fits. Oh, there's, I feel horrible that I started dropping names because there's going to be so many of that we forget. Oh, yeah. You can't get them all. And then the rastles were always good too. Oh, yeah. Okay. But the perfect. That's what I. Well, we had, first year he was stunning Steve Austin and he was cold stone Steve Austin. Stone Cold came here. Yeah, and big bubble and. That's awesome. What were you going to do? There's pictures on the walls of you. I want you guys to bring that back. They had a wrestling ring out here and people are getting a lot of people wrestling. Well, they put on the exhibition out here. They put a ring out back and they put an exhibition on and it was, I bet 3000 people were out here. Only in the middle of Alabama you get that. They come to that. They come to wrestling. That's crazy. Was that the at the Buckmaster Classic or? Yeah, that was at the Classic. And was, were those like professional wrestlers? Yeah. Okay. The real, if they got stone cold, it's got to be. What stone cold like? How's he? Hey, I mean, I want him a big, you know. I can't take the man. I was one. He was the biggest man I've seen in my life, but had one of the, it worked with the undertaker. He was big and then there was a lot of them. You had the undertaker here too? Not him. I had the big man on there. That worked with him. Oh, the big one. I know, I know which one he's talking about because I've played it on. Is it big? I think, I think that's his name, isn't it? I don't know. He's real. I don't know. I mean, they were all real nice people. Yeah. You know. Yeah. How do you get them in a tree stand? Or carefully. Well, forklift. No, you don't, you know, you had to do, someone on the ground, you know, you didn't get some of these people up. Yeah. And that's a liability purpose. But you know, Bill Jordan and all that, but tanks and Johnny Lee and all of them. Aaron Tippin. Well, he, what I think, I think that John Anderson. Yeah, it's all the country. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's nuts. See, I, I think it's really cool to see. Wheel claw. Yeah. You know, how so what, how did all those people start coming here? Like how did they kind of. Well, they thought it would, would Buckmaster because he started it and he asked them. They invite people. Invited them to come, you know, and it started off all of them came because wasn't none of them in hunting. And then it got later on, you got harder to get them because all of them had their own hunting show after they came here. They come here once. And all of them bought a land and had hunting, you know, Charlie O'Brien. He came all the time. Caught for Atlanta. He caught like, I have Cy Young award pitchers, you know, and I don't think Maddox would throw to anybody but him. But yeah, he bought a place in Oklahoma somewhere out there and he got a big rant. Now he wants some stuff. You listened to John Anderson. Yeah. Seminole wind. Yeah. Him. He always brought a daddy with him a daddy. So don't have push and wait. You don't ever get in every day. Yeah. I think it's really cool the fact that you, dad, dad has always told us about all his VHS tape collections. Yeah. And you're the one that was the main, a lot of them. He was the first ever ones. Yeah, we were, we were big into that in the early 80s. So they're starting, they're starting trends with the, with the sayings and comments and everything. And they started the whole hunting industry. So tell us about that. Like, well, so I don't really. Well, I mean, we started off with Turkey mainly, you know, and did that. And then Wayne Pearson came in here and did an outdoor trails thing. We had all the turkey hunters, Ben Lee, Kirby, Paul Buskey, Bill McCor, Eddie Salter, Rob Kick, all of them were here. Like me turkey. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard you talk about Eddie. Yeah. So what was Eddie's claim to fame? He just, he, you know, a lot of turkey call manufacturers were barbers. You know, they cut hair. Really? Kirby did. Eddie Salter did. I think one or two more did. I don't know why, but just what it was. Huh. But, but what they, I think a lot of them made their name because they were world champion turkey calls. Yeah, they were getting the call to their right here. Yes. Okay. If they really, you really want to know the feeling that promoted turkey calling more than anybody around was being Lee and nobody really knows him now. He's from Coffeeville and he was the first world champion and he won all the calls and everything. He made calls and he, he hunted with us a lot and he just brought turkey hunting to another level. Then he got old and kind of, you know, phased out a little bit, but he was a good owner. So whose idea was it to start filming the hunts? You, you, your call was, thought it, because that's how it was selling call. Okay. You know, we did a lot of them for Paul Buskey and Dick Kirby. And I, I had so many of Paul Buskey's videos, along with Eddie Salter's and then what Warren would, I think Warren or Easton mentioned a minute ago though was Barry and Jean Wenzel kind of started, they weren't the first, but it was one of the first and they did a honey noctober white. One of the best ones. They were absolutely. And the best one really, you know, you'd see all those bucks come running because they do this little push and they even did a whole segment in there where they would show people how they were shooting deer on the run with a tire. That's how they put a balloon in a tire and roll it and he would practice shooting it. What was the other, there was a third guy that was on. Paul Shafer was one. He, he, Paul Shafer made the bows. Yeah, he made the bows, but they are their bows. Yes. And he was, well the reason these guys know Paul Shafer's name or recognize it, all the mounts that are in the Great Falls Airport in Great Falls, Montana, that's his collection because he ended up dying on a ski. He's, he's doing what? He's saying and he ran into a tree. He came here hunting. Wow, that is good. And he left out of here one morning and I told him, I said, you can't put them on clothes on. He's all we used to this weather around here. I said it was about 23 degrees and there's a wet cold here. He said, all we, we used to do it. He put him in that swamp down and he liked to throw. I mean, he liked to throw. They had clothes on him. Yeah, I don't blame him. It's a different cold here. If for sure. With the boy, how much moisture in there? Yes. It's a wet cold and it just, it, it gets to you. Well, I think the coolest thing about coming down here is the culture because with, in Iowa, living there, white tail hunting is huge. Yeah. But even if you talk to everybody in Iowa about white tail hunting, you're not getting the history behind white tailing. It's just, they've all done it with their grandpa or whatever. But you come down here and turkey hunting is your guys's like huge thing. So we had tons of history with it. Yeah, we didn't have deer till the 60s. Okay. They wouldn't here. They put them in, Wisconsin did. They put them in on the river up here. Yeah. In the late 50s and early 60s. But they took off because we were a real farming area and then we planted soybeans a lot and they just thrived. Yeah. Huh. And it worked out. What we did was we brought deer hunting in and back then you could shoot a deer date. That's what we were advertising. That's what I ever had. I mean, you put that deer day on your brochure. You're going to get people. Yeah. You know, because it was, and we killed back then, we probably killed 500 deer some years. Holy cow. That's a lot of cleaning too. A lot of work. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to tell you guys about 45 people in one day to hunt 45 people in one day. I'm sitting here thinking if we bring somebody to come hunt, we're like stressed with two or three in a day. Well, we did it. We did it. We did it back in the 80s and 90s. We took 28 people a day every day. Oh, man. I had same guy, these guys took four people every day and he had like 2,000 acres to hunt on. Where did you sleep everybody? Well, it's a sleep 28 in the lower. You can sleep 28 here. And I sleep 10 in the house. Geez. And you're back then, you know, I don't know. I kind of always say TV kind of run deer hunting because now people won't sit on a stand. We were sitting the moment in the 80s. You know, they'll laugh at you if you think you're going to sit next to him right there. Yeah. I got to have a box with, you know, heaters, wonders. Some nice and warm and. Yeah. And I say, you know, it turned into a rich up person's hunting. So we tried to keep our prices down so we could get the average folks. I tell you right now with how much you guys charge today, I didn't think it was that much. But the amount that I hunted this year, you guys would have made a whole entire year's salary. He figured it up in the truck. The idea, what'd you say is going to $27,500 is what I would have spent on deer hunting this year. That's how he did. He's sad to shoot it here. But most people, you know, they hunted here because you could kill deer and this season lasted so long. We were everybody's season was out when we were when we were still hunting. Yeah. So they would come down here. Some Michigan and New York up there that did road work and all that. Well, they laid off in January. So they'd a bunch of them would come down here and go hunting and it was that's how that worked. And then they could kill a deer day. Is it how hard. One time we could kill all the those we want is, you know, it was unlimited. Yeah. I mean, you could do it. We had tags. We had so many tags every year then. Yeah. We just had all the head to attack. Right. Is it not hard for a non-resident to come here? No. You can go all over the counter. Yeah. You can get a you can get a lysin on that. Yeah. And then you just come down here, but our rules are a little different. We we are six point of butter and it's got to be outside the year. Because a lot of our young deer don't get tired of the group. Yep. And you give them an extra year. Then you get a three year old you get a third or half of your deer make it to three years old. So is there a fine or something if you shoot something under that? Yeah, we got to find on it if it's under that. Okay. And that's just for your guys. That's us. And you can't kill the three books in the state of Alabama now. One can be a spike. Yeah. And it got to be those two got to be big. Huh. And this. So I want to go back a little bit though the filming because last night we were talking a little bit and you were talking the cameras ain't the same. No, the cameras that we're filming with here now look like pocket change. And we didn't have black. That's the other thing. Yeah. No, no. And they have decoys either. Right. So it was just truly. And when that driver came in and tried to shoot him with a bow because you got to move the shooting. That would be tough. And it was tough. And film it. Yeah, and film it. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, y'all know what that beta cam looked like? It was about that wide that wide that long and that tall. Oh yeah. Without any decoys, how were they getting the full draw? Well, you had to set them up kind of with a tree or something, you know, in between you. Yeah. You had to get him when he was moving. Yeah. You know, but it was tough now. Not bad. We got a lot of turkey and we got a lot of video of turkey, but we didn't get them. Yeah. Well, I don't know how you do it without like sitting against a tree with your bow and no decoys because I was just telling him you could do it if you just wait for him to turn around when they're strutting or something like that. But if you have no reason for him to turn around, I well, you can do that. If you don't call that info a minute, he going to look around and you got to you got to know a lot more about turkey hunting to do that. The calling is more impressive to me because I know the amount of people who are going to times that I've called a turkey and he gets hung up at six or 70 yards and I can move the decoy that gets him without the decoy coming in. Well, I've hunted with all of them and Paul Buskey was probably the best one ever in the woods. Yeah. He could figure out a turkey. They could all blow calls. They could all blow calls. He was good. The curve is good, but Paul, I would put him at the top, you know. And there are and I do think. Now they perfected the calls somewhat for the calling contest. They're not calling turkey. They're making the sound perfect. You know, you got to have a perfect sound. And I bet half the time when they're in the woods, they're not using half those sounds. You got you got to know when to call and when not to call. That's it. I agree with that. 100% is it and what made Paul so good? What made I he can figure out a turkey better than anybody I was saying. As far as like when a call when I got I went with him one time up here in the evening, we were sitting there and he made a turkey gobble one time and he is saying another word for 45 minutes. That turkey will write up to you. Wow. I mean, you got to know that. That's kind of you got to you got to you got to know somebody. You had to have been in that situation more than once. Yeah. You know, to get he was working for Quaker boy back when he started. He worked with Quaker boy and he's the one invented the full read, couldn't call. You know, yeah. And now everyone's got one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy to see the you know how things have changed. How things have been. All kind of stuff like that. Billy McCorpe been it he invented the hooter that you blow real loud like a duck call, not the one that got the little hole in you go who the one that you blow hard. Blow hard. He invented it and a fellow tried to steal it from him. He got to yell about that. What he did. Really. But that's what I mean we've like you said, it's a lot of history. You know, there's been a lot of people. Well, what was the first year of the Southern Sportsman's Lodge? 82. 82. This year was my 41st year taking folks to your home. Wow. And then how did it so how did you guys get started? And then are you the owner? You do this. Well, now it was a group of us at one time because we were farming all of us were farming and we all hunted this boy named Steve Elmo. Had a place up here he was hunting a big hunter bullhorn. Came up with the idea and got with us. We all met with him. So is he the one that had the golden triangle idea? No, he wanted to start a lodge and he was going to run it. So we borrowed money from Dave Daddie about the double wide trailer and set it up. He had a wife of two kids and he was going to run it. I think he saw right off it. It wouldn't be a lot of money to start with. So he pulled out and left us with it. We don't borrow the money that we had to go. So I started in 82 and it was a little slow to him but then we got advertising and stuff and it just kind of took off. How did you start advertising? I don't know. We went to shows and stuff like that and then we had articles made. We had a fellow named Lee Lawrence, a writer and he would write an article for you and get it published. You don't really care about Bill Hunt but he would get you an article. So that I think he'd have won him and Bill and McCall came up with the books of the golden triangle. That was the first article that went out like that. How many partners did you guys have? It was three of us really. Three. Me and Dave and Georgia Liger, we finally bought George out and then he died about five, six years ago and then me and Dave. So the land that you guys were hunting, how did it was like... It was all like old family land. People owned it and we leased it from them. Some of them we farmed it and we got to hunt and rise. What happened to us was we advertised this area so good that it raised the prices. The land rents went up and we would have one did it. It's like working yourself out of business. Right. Because I mean it went up, I even told the land on the one time. I said, y'all ain't spent a dime to raise these hunt rights. We did and he gave me a little cut that year. There you go. But they all died out and the children either sold the land or cut all the tumbles or something. They had to have money out of it. So is that what? Some of them still got it but very few. How much do you guys have now still? Probably 45,000. 45,000? 45,000. Was it used to be 6,000 or something like that? No, it used to be 25,000. Wow. We couldn't hunt it off when we had it back then. That's a lot though. How did you even keep track of that much? It was a job. Yeah, I bet. It was almost a month with two teams playing food plots. Yeah, I bet. Back then you had food plots named Beak Cohen. I don't know why we plant food plots. We'd do it anyhow. I found that interesting. All the corn feeders that you see around here is all in a food plot too. Yeah. Right in the center of the food plot. What year did you guys start playing food plots? My opinion of deer hunting is not shooting one on a feeder. Yeah. I mean, I guess I grew up the old way. Where we climbed a tree, you look for where the scrape line were and you hunted the deer. Yup. Now you sit on the feeder and wait on the come out there. And it cost me a fortune to feed him. Yeah. But if you ain't feeding your neighbor's feed, then he got the deer. Yeah. So all that ground, how many guides did it take to be able to? We had seven guides. Seven guides. Seven. Each guide took four people every day. Okay, that makes sense. 28. That's all we could have. So they just dropping them off or putting them in search spots and actually setting them up and they go look for the deer and all that. And they were responsible for putting those four people on deer. Yeah. You know, when they got tipped from the hunt of the dust of the better job they did, the better they did. Yeah. And they were able to do that too. So we first them a truck gets about in a four wheeler and all that. And at one time we had 4,000 acres of this swamp out here. Wow. And you could take a fella 30 minutes in that swamp on a four wheeler and he thought he's going to kill one every time you put him out. Yeah. Because he's like going in a junk. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody's ever seen that. Yeah. And I'm trying to find out when these eight track tapes that I got of a fella from Pennsylvania film three or four four wheelers coming out of this swamp in water this deep. And it ran with a deer all on it and people sitting all on the deer and everything. It's just crazy. It's just unreal. That is. That's cool. So was it your advertisements or what was it allowed you to all of a sudden have that many hunters to take? Yeah. It was probably advertisement and then in the eighties six or seven that's when Buckmaster came in. That was a lot of publicity. Okay. You know, we got all the publicity. We wanted them. Yeah. Yeah. And we did it through the turkey hunts and stuff like that. We took a lot of folks turkey hunting because we had the land. We had and through busking and dick curbing all of them advertising the turkey hunts here. We did good with that. And then we just worked it into the deer hunt. So did you were you doing this full time? Well, we were farming as well. We were farming till, well, till 80 about the time we started the large most of us went broke farming. Yeah. And then we started with prilled. Yeah. Interest went to 21%. Wow. With the grain and bog on rushing. So I mean, went to for all the bush or what, you know, everything went up. But what we were getting for. 21% interest. It broke everybody. I mean, just about. Wow. I thought 7% was bad. Yeah. It was. That's what it was in 80s. One and two and now man. And so you guys, so then it was that kind of layer. We got to really focus on the lodge and making sure that this works. Yeah. And then it just took, it got bigger and bigger. You know what? We got to getting people from up to East Coast, you know, a lot. Yeah. New York, Pennsylvania up that way. And then even North Carolina and then Florida was a big draw because they ain't got real big deer in Florida. You can make them full of them. Pretty happy hunting. We got big groups come from there now. But year was what year did you guys start doing food plots? That's when we started. In the 80s. 80s. Why did I think that was the root thing to like, it was just not getting publicized more than anything. We did it all. We did it from the start. Where were you planting? We always planted wheat and crimson clover. Wheat and crimson clover. And we used to sling it out and just get in. And then I bought a great plain no-till drill and saving about half the money on seed. Because you could set it for how much seed you wanted out and the clover would come up and the wheat would come up. We were throwing a lot of wheat. Yeah. Slinging it in the bush, he's covering it up too deep. I think it's an acre and it's like quarter. Yeah. Yeah. We would have flippin' it out. And I can tell you that, guys are still doing that today. Oh, yeah. You know, still messing it up. But if you're not doing it for to make money, if you're just doing it as a hobby, it's a lot of money to spend to have a no-till drill. That's what people are doing now. You've got people that, if you get in a cotton club, you pay the dues and then you've got to do the food plots and the fertiliser and all that and everything's so high now, they come hunting, you know, all five days, six days a year and not spending much money. Yeah. See, you know, you don't food with nothing. You just come and go. Yeah. And the price of land's going up because they're making, they're not making any more land and it's more people with more money. Yeah. So what the white tail hunting though here is it baffles me because when we go for the scrollmaster classic, we're walking through all these places and like Kyle's telling us, oh, there's a stand that we shot this deer out of and stuff. I don't get how you funnel them down to anything. It is so random, it seems like, and so open in the trees. How are you guys? Yeah, it's a lot different from hunting up north, you know, you're in the pattern of deer up there. You can't pattern it deer here. You'll come through there, but he ain't coming through there every day. Right. You know, you got that deer in the living point on the wall in there. I wanted that stand living day in the roof like you let me, you know. Was that over a scrape or what was all the food plot we had in the bean for you? We planted a food pot in a bean for you where they'd come by. What time of year was that? That was in, that was probably in late December. So when's your rut? Middle of January. Middle of January. That is weird. What's that late? So everybody's through. Yeah. But our rut is spread out a little longer. I don't know where it starts because I think we got two or three different kinds of deer. You've got some from Wisconsin, some from Wales, and they got some came in from Georgia, you know, that way. And I think we got, that's why the ruts are a little bit different. That's pretty neat. I mean, like he said, it just this time of year, because it's February now. So you guys just finished hunting not too long ago, didn't it? And books are still chasing those right now. And it's what February 20 something? I saw a book chasing those two years ago to open their turkey season. What in the world is? With no antlers probably either. No, he had antlers, but we also saw one last week and already lost his own. And that's really early for you guys, right? And you live the first April, you know, so October like 15th is when you guys open, right? That's most season coming. October 15th is there. Are some of your whitetails have velvet still? Yeah, some of them do. We have killing one there with them. Man, that's crazy. Our is October 1st and we pretty much your no chance to get out of it. I think they put it October 15th and you can't shoot those until the 25th or something like that in about two. You can kill books, you can't kill those. Why do they do that? Because they still got a little one about that being. Oh, yeah. That makes sense. I mean, we got did it, had phones in September problem, you know. Goodness gracious. We see them born in September. Geez. You're a deer. You're bred out. You're bred on summer patterns where like they will in the Midwest. Well, dear, we're super consistent in the summer. Well, they come to these crop lands, you know, they eat in the crop lands mainly in the summer. But you know, they say a deer is supposed to eat from a foot off the ground that's hiding reach. He's a browser. You know, now we're making them eat off the ground, you know, and stuff like that and that's not real good. That's where you get worms and stuff like that, you know. And I don't know. I think it's just feeding them. It's going to hurt us in the long run. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't in Texas and all that. But I just think he's not the same place with all the deer. He got a chance of messing things up. Do they talk about CWD down here? Yeah. And they've gotten real strict on it now, you know. If you go out of here, you got to bone the deer out. You can't go to Florida, Georgia. You don't miss Mississippi without bone it out. You can't get it bone with you. Right. And or the head, can they? Yeah, they can if they bolt it out. You know, if you clean it out all the time. Okay. Yep. So the same as Iowa? Yeah. Yep. Yep. But you know, you got outlaws of the bringing deer in here. No, you can't, we ain't got enough help to stop all of them. Right. Right. And we've had some high fence folks that got out, you know, thongs tear down and they get out, stuff like that. You know, high fences, I don't know, I say that, but it might be the one foot gets us in the long run. No, I think everyone kind of knows that, you know, that high fences could be the, that's where they say CWD started. Yeah. You know, was it came from a domesticated elk and then that started the whole thing, the whole process. Why? Well, I think the, I thought about it told me one time that, you know, blue tongue idea won't get blue tongue. The ones that do die from blue tongue down here were brought in there. And did he tell you why? They didn't mean to it. That, so I did a bunch of research on it two years or they also are now saying that they believe that blue tongue is a seven year cycle. Yeah. That it's like a cicada, you know, when the cicadas come and if you don't have the right weather for there to be a lot of those midges, then you won't have a bad. Yeah. Blue tongue explosion. But if you do, then what you're going to see is a big die off that year because, and see, we see that in Iowa, 2012. We hadn't had a now, but they had, they've had something in New York now too. The folks I know up there said they found one place if I said modern did, did one county or what? Wow. Yeah. But Warren County is 400 and some. Yeah. We, in Iowa, we'll see that if it's bad. Yeah. And I don't, that would make sense though, because you guys have perfect conditions for all the time. Yes. And so therefore they build up an immunity to it. Yep. I heard, but I don't know that for a fact, but I've heard that from, I would think it makes sense. Well, I heard the same thing. It came from a biologist and it does make perfect sense. What's the, so what's the biggest deer you guys have ever killed here? Probably in the one sixties. We got, we had three in the Safari clue booth for Southeast and White Taylor. One time we had one, there was 16, 27, and 36 or something like that. Folks from New York kill him, I think. We have killed some one 50 last year, you know, but you get it. One 40 is a good class. You're a good deer. Yeah. That sounds like a big deer. Well, they are. And we, and we kill one 40 as you know, but yeah. But the more hunting pressure, the smarter the big deer get. I mean, we got people getting pictures of them on cameras, but they don't move in the daytime. Yeah. You know. Is there a, so like what's the average deer that you guys kill? Like what's a deep deer? One 15. One 15. One 15. One 20. Okay. Not average, but we get told. Do you think there's more hunting pressure now or 20 years ago? Yeah. More now. Oh, yeah. Really. Lot more. Lot more people living here too. Yeah. You got on one of these hills and look back when we were started, you couldn't see a street light nowhere now. It looks like a Christmas tree if you go up here and look out there. You know, it's people living with it lights on. Yeah. I was just telling these guys. We moved Iowa 12 years ago and we bought 50 acres and then we bought two small tracks, 40 acres and an 80 acre piece. And since I've been there in 12 years, there's now 12 new neighbors. Now they're not right beside me, you know, but, but they're there and each one of them, I believe at least 10 out of the 12 are hunters. And so therefore they're killing it here, you know, and so it definitely is. And more parcels are getting bought and cut up. Separate them out a lot. Yeah, it's getting too many people. Yeah, it makes it tough. But now people are coming from California and New York, everywhere they move in here called it taxes are not high and the land is cheaper way, even if what they can get it. You know, and I mean, we got people buying houses in line with county that from California ain't ever looked at it. They're just sending money by it. Wow. That's crazy too. What, now you were talking a little bit about some of the people that come to hunt here are not from, I mean, like how far away is the furthest person you've had come hunting here? I had a fill of coal from California yesterday, you know, but what about nothing but I mean, we've got some from not another countries. Yeah, we have had some from other countries, you know, did what is that like? I mean, do they have a piece? Well, most of the ones from other countries like Iran or somewhere the doctors or something coming, all they want to do is shoot a gun. Oh, really? Yeah, they can't shoot guns over there. So if you give them five bullets in the gun, they're going to shoot them. It might be at a can down there or something. They're going to hear it go off. That's funny. Got you. I mean, don't give them one five because they shoot everything. How did so now with the internet, I guess anyone could find you guys, right? Yeah, we own the internet. And, you know, I want to put this plug in. We just bought crackerboard seats then, which is a seasoning car. I've seen them. And we started, said we took over the first year, yeah, and we started selling it here. It's on the internet. Yeah. What was the name of it? Crackerboard. Crackerboard. Okay, and where can everybody find that out? Look, it's on southern sportsman seasoning on the internet. Southern sportsman seasoning. All right. Yeah. And it's a real good season. I've been using it on the chicken here for 15 years. Yeah. That's good chicken. We got real, we're, we're, we're noted for the chicken. Yeah. Oh, T-bona car. He was on a podcast with Bushman not long ago and only thing he could talk about with the fried chicken. That's the same something you got him off a Cheetos. Well, I'm pretty sure we had a hundred people here, you know, this past we are 50 at least. It was a hundred we feared every day. Right. And everyone couldn't wait for the fried chicken day. That's what they were. So, no, that's cool. Now, and then also, I mean, you've been doing this, you said 41 years, right? Yeah. And, but your daughter is taking over. Well, I'm trying to back out a little bit, you know. I like to play golf. Right. Well, trying to back out a little bit, my daughter asks us handling that. The catering part and the meals and she talked to the hunters. She booked the hunters because she's internet prone and all that. Logan, my son, he helps me do the food plots and keeps up with the hunting part pretty good. Yeah. I've never had him take anybody that didn't call and want to go with him the next year. That's good. That's a real good thing. Yeah. But I tell the story all the time, he grew up out here. I think eight years old, he was out there on the porch talking to a hunter. And the fellow came in that door shaking his head and I asked him, I said, that boy not bothering you, I tell you, he said, hell no, I think I just had an intelligent conversation with an eight year old. Yeah. He grew up here, you know, in India. He was teaching me about fields and for like planting food plots and stuff in the 10 or 15 minute conversation, I just met him. Yeah. Oh, he can. He can tell. He seemed to love it though. And they seemed to like him too. Most of them really like Logan. Yeah. And so I'm, you know, I'm in a 41 year. It's a little harder to do it. So I'm trying to back out. And my other daughter, Kayla's running this season in part of it. Okay. She teaching high level math and school. So she does numbers real good. Also she's a part of it too. Yeah. Okay. I thought she was just a teacher. She's a teacher right now, but we hope we get the season thing going on. I know it's sort of that we'll do, you know, and I want all three of them to have something to do. And if they're running the whole thing, they can all make a living out of it. Yeah. That's cool. Where did, so when did you, did you guys make your own seasoning or did you buy a company in the show? Not what I thought I'd been getting it from for years. He wanted to get out of it. And three or four folks wanted it, but he wanted us to have it. That's cool. I'm good friends with him. That's cool. So the first show we went to in Nashville, it's a turkey thing. And we did good there. But my children don't know whether they liked doing shows or not because it's a lot of work. Well, me hates them. When I told them they don't need to go to Harrisburg. Right. You talked about that one. We went there. Oh my gosh. No, no, we left two days after deer season, taking four days, 31 days or 35 days or so. Got in the vehicle and drove to Pennsylvania. It took two days, set up a day, a 10 day show, 12 hours a day, three days to get home. Hell, we couldn't, we were through. You can't speak 800,000 people came through it while we were there. You can't. Yeah, Harrisburg. It's hard to do that. Yep. Yeah, that's a lot. You do a weekend. They do it like Friday, Saturday, Sunday. You can handle that. You can't handle 10 days. Is it that many people now? Yeah. I think it's more than that. It's cut back since the NRA bought it and then it sold everything. But it's still in the hundreds of thousands. Yeah, it's when they cut the days off too. Yeah, they took some. It now starts on a Saturday ends on the next Sunday. That last Monday wasn't nobody there. It wasn't much to that last Monday. I think it's more for the exhibitors than it was anybody else. Yep. Yeah, we did all the shows for a while then and we quit doing them. Well, the nice thing is, you got three of them though that are looking to take it over. They can trade out. Not one of them doesn't have to go all the time in the shows because I agree. We have another show to do this next week at the Iowa Dear Classic. Well, they're going to Dixie Dear Classic in Raleigh. Oh, yeah. Just coming weekend. And then they come back and we do the 25th. We go to South Carolina, some Columbia, South Carolina, I think. Well, Mr. Jim, all I can tell you is that I could sit here all day, every day and hear the stories and look around. I mean, just as we're talking, looking at some of these deer and you probably know every one of them. I know you mentioned that one was from Montana. And then I think you were telling me about the one that was killed back here. Mike Bautaker killed the one over there. He went for Kansas City. Okay. And then Warren was asking about the sheds there. That was all the sheds for the same buck. We had one in the pen out here. What's been your favorite thing of doing this for 40 years? Like, what's been, has it been the hunts? Has it been the people? Has it been? Probably been the people. It wasn't a start off. We're a start off. I didn't like it at all because we like to hunt and I didn't like to try to make people happy, you know. Yeah. And finally, I made it a, my deal was to make a game out of it to figure out the people I'm taking hunting. I would try to figure out your mind and make you happy by figuring the whole thing out. You know, and hunting you like you wanted to and trying to make you happy. But you know, you're not going to make 10% of the public happy in the house. Right. There might be more than that. Yeah, some people are responsible. But we got such a return business deal. I think we're doing pretty good with it. Yeah. I would say you guys are doing good after 41 years. Yeah. Do you guys do any bad research? And we're, we're one of them. It's a few still around it, but it was a lot of them at one time. You know, farmers popped up taking four, five people a day extra money in the winter time, you know, and then it kind of laid out a little bit. You guys do any advertising now? Or you don't have to. No. Yeah. We used to have what I had in the book, Master Book. We got it for doing the classic, you know, they put one in for us. Yeah. We did that. And boys and plugs us every time we can, you know, we helped us out a lot. When did, when did you meet Bo Jackson? Bo Jackson start coming here. And he bojacked when he was an all man. When what? When he was an all man. Before, before pro before he, before the thing. And then he came to the first three or four classics. Okay. But we knew him then he used to, he used to come by here and stop and go to bathroom with his children. His mom-in-law lived in Thomason down here. They come from Auburn this way. So how did my partner play football at Auburn too? Oh, really? Is that how you knew Bo? When did you meet Bo? No, I'm a boat. We met him. I don't really know. It was before the classic though. Yeah. He seems like a pretty cool guy. Yeah. He was an athlete. Yeah. Don't tell him about that. Probably ain't another one like him. I'm reading the book on him right now. It's a book just came out about him, a legend, a folklore. Because back when he was coming up, they didn't have all the cameras and stuff. They didn't film all the things he did. And this sort of documented the things he did and it's unbelievable. I saw him play baseball in Selma once and twice. He used to play Livingston in Selma called it Tiger Classic. He played multiple sports at Auburn too. Yeah. He ran track, played baseball and football. Okay. I didn't know if he had gotten into the problem. That was good at all. Yeah. Yeah. Really good, right? Yeah. Good one even the word. Yeah. No, wow. That's a comedian. Well, he was all right. The one we probably liked, I liked the most was Davey Allison, the race car driver. Okay. He was good. You know. What was Aaron Tippin? I'm real good friends with Aaron Tippin too. And Aaron Tippin was country singer. Okay. I got on my phone. And he killed his first book down here with Dave Watson on Secrets of the Heart. And he killed an eight-point with a bow on film. And they showed that. And that was a real good advertising too. Yeah. What was it about those guys that made them stand out? Were they funny to be around? They were just nice. Easy to talk to just down to earth people. Yep. You know, you got some that ain't real down to earth. You know. Yeah. And that's a good question. Who's the biggest asshole? I'll say that. Probably a little list of that. A longer list than the good ones. What was the one that put it bluntly? Well, I mean, we're just going to be real here, right? What was one of the funniest things you ever had happen here? Or one of your most memorable stories at the lodge? That's got to be hard to pick. There's got to be something that was like super notable. Well, it's one I tell all the time. I did it myself. I had a fella in the swamp down here. You know, an amateur climber. We had him bolted together. And he told me, he said, I love to stand and think, but it's too like this when I get up there. I said, well, I'll go in there the next morning with the wrenches and we'll sit it like you want it, fix it up. Yeah. So I went in there, got in there for a dog. I set the stand, got my bear and trying to get back to the folk wheel that was out there a couple of hundred yards or so. I got lost. And I walked around and I came back up on the man in this tank. I said, this is all right. He said, yeah, I appreciate you checking on me. Well, I got to get my bear right now. So I found the foal wheel of that time. I came walking one of a year and I was just like, that was quick thinking. And we used to have three old men from Pennsylvania came every year, every year. Opening week and Queen Christmas and New Year. They came in a long wheel base for a truck, one seat, all of them smoked and they came here to shoot deer. That's what they came to do, shoot deer. And the old man always shot deer. He was behind the lodge here and he went on picking up and saying, I shot a big eight point and went off that way. We look, couldn't find that. And so I said, I tell him what the car would come back the next day and look. And we didn't see more than the other guy that went over there. And he went hunting that morning. We found it was a spiking went this way. So he got back from hunting that morning. You find my deer. Yeah, much car we found him. But you the lucky man I know, he said, what's that? I said, well, we'd waited another hour to go get him a better do. Oh, that's funny. And I don't remember who it was, but yesterday we were talking and you made a scrape for someone. Oh, yeah. Yeah. When we started, this was before the lodge where I had this fellow friend of my momma was with the school with his momma and he made him come up here. That I agreed to take him hunting. Well, then I had him. He just moved in. But he was in the scrapes and roofs and all that stuff. And we didn't do that. You know, we knew about it, but hell, nobody did that. We were hunting bean fields and stuff. And then it said he wanted to kill a big deer. So I told him, I said, I think that helped. I said, I got, they walked from that hog house over there. They saw a big book in that pecan orchard over there. The day before I'd gone over to a rate and I made a straight big of this room. I run off on the pre-up there, that big around and I get off and put feet prints on there and on right. He came back his eyes. Bigger or something in the world over there. And I think he sat on it three days. He didn't see a single deer, did he? Well, he did kill a spike. It was great. In the scrape? That's funny. And then I got to thinking about that. You know, when he was the first one to bring tints up here, he got it off the thing. And so I was up here, he taught me in the unit. So I was going to see the tree on a place I had up here. So I walked around and put him with cotton ball that. I got to the tree and I walked out there and I put one on a stick out and four other thing. I got up to the tree and I was sitting up there. I got to the tree and walked out there and he was like eight point deer. He walked right out to the street to the bay. I shot him in the field right there. I'm sitting there. I got to the tree. And no, walked out and walked out to the deer. Deer was feeling the darn thing. I didn't shoot him and I said, this stuff was worth putting down good. You know, so then I get the thing out and I'm reading the instructions in there. It says, don't put it on your color, deer might attach it. So now I got to pick them balls. I'm going back to the truck. I'm thinking, man, I got to watch this getting out of here. I know they let him know that I used it though. Yeah, I had something very I passed. So this would would have been probably 1989, 88, 89 and I'm driving down the road in Virginia in a tinks truck. And to this day, I don't know if it was the founder or just a guy that worked for him or whatever, but anyhow, I was going hunting and I had a hat and sitting on the dashboard and I had some tinks I had bought sitting on the dashboard. He saw that. So he pointed and asked me to pull over. So I pulled over and got out. He says, I see you're using our stuff. And I was like, yes, sir. And he said, well, I'd like to give you a hat and gave me a hat. And I think he might have given me another bottle of it and everything, but he just stopped me on the road and handed that stuff to me. We took him hunting. He came to the book masters, you know, tinks was something else. Oh boy, it was huge. Yeah, he was he was a character. It was tink Nathan. Is that right? Yeah. I don't know. I think he's still alive. I don't know. He's still alive. No, no, no, I don't. I don't know. I honestly don't know. I don't know either. He was at the Harrisburg show and I bet he said, well, going back a little bit. Oh, yeah. I had a book on and folks watching his videos of that. They were just cranging. Oh boy. You know, he was trying to show it out of my arrows, he killed and it wasn't good. That's not good. No, it wasn't. No, we had, but like back then I do remember this and you might know it, but like camouflage has changed a bunch. Oh, yeah. Jim Crumbly had come out with tree bark camouflage. Jim Crumbly was here at that turkey thing. Really? Of course he was. And I got a complete set of the first tree bark he got in the closet. I think I still have a brand new show set of it. I got it. Then we went to, Bill Jordan came over here when Coney was here and drill had his pattern, but he hadn't got it going yet. Coney wouldn't even look at it. Yeah. You guys wouldn't, I don't think that you've ever, well, yeah, you're, there's probably a picture or two that you guys would have seen me in it. It's great. It's great. Yeah, it looks just like bark. Yeah. And that was before real tree before real tree before mossy oak. Then you had real tree and then we had one that we promoted a fellow in all of them called Hiden Pine and Liberty did it and they were doing pretty good with it. We did promotional farming all that. Then I think Bill Jordan told them said he was not going to let them do his stuff if they had their own cattle on powder and they just dropped it. Because they did a lot, he did a lot of business where they made all his overalls and all that stuff. So I think that's what it dropped. Yeah. It's made a, the camouflage has made like a full circle thing, you know, where, because therefore a long time real tree and mossy oak ran the entire outdoor industry. Did you see how them vests sold up there? The turkey fell around? Oh yeah. They auctioned that one off and went for $31,000. For a vest? A fox. And turkey hunt vest, they didn't have a 400 of them or something like that. What was there? The mossy oak's daddy is 80 years old and he made it and it was a limited edition. They stood in line from one o'clock that night to get a ticket to get one of them. Did they put a golden egg in it or what? I don't know. No, they just believe it's going to be a collector's iron. It is a collector's iron. I cut it with a number. It was 400 of them. It sold all 400 of them, like, 450 a piece and you could have bought one and one out of the door and sold it with the house. Wow. It was a land. And one went for $31,000? They auctioned one off at the turkey thing and it went for $31,000. Oh my lord. That's insane. My wife better kill you. A lot of turkey. You're treated the boy with me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm out of the young nurse to take care of it when I got old. If I wasn't married to, I'd be dead three times now. Well, we're sure glad you're still kicking and I hope that you'll be here again next year when we come back. Good Lord. We're willing to increase. Don't ride. We'll be here. There you go. We appreciate it. Oh yeah. You got any more questions? I enjoy all coming. This has been a ton of fun. I think our listeners are going to love here in some of these stories and I hope that people can appreciate just like it seems like every name that I am associating with when I started hunting, and mine for me is 40 some years ago. You not only know them, you've met them. They've been here. They've actually almost everyone that... Everybody we say, he's like, yeah, he was here too. It's kind of like... I tell them and they don't like it no more, but I tell them what you're... They'd be around them and they'd be talking about... I think we call them legend and stuff. I said, I made legend. Yeah. Well, if you think about it, I mean, like, there's a saying out there, I think it's two ways to Kevin Bacon, the actor, that any movie that anyone's been in, you can go one more and then he'll have been in a movie with that person. Yeah. Well, I think you could be that exactly in the outdoor industry because I don't think any one person is removed from having them in your lodge or you meeting them or hunting with them. I had a fellow, a turkey fella from the last year, he was out telling him some stories and stuff, sat there in the body at night. He said, you need to write a book. I said, well, I would, but I can't write. And then he said, well, just tape it or something. Get somebody to put it down. Well, I forgot half of what I remember. Oh, no. I forgot half of it, right. And I got some guys that can read, you know, I can talk to some guys. I know when we would, you know, put a good one old boy to Ernie, Calindrilla. He's a Quaker boy. Yeah. All right. He took him hunting in his fault down here and he shot a deer on my coat when he told him, he said, you stay right here and I'm going to go look for the deer so we don't get lost. He went out about two on a yard and so got lit in the hole. Hey, Ernie. He said what? He would follow you. So I'm going to tell you, stay back. That's what he would get lost. That's it's just the amount of history when you walk down this hall and you look at those pictures. It's crazy. I mean, it's basically. You all have seen it when we had we had this place fooling and law fooler Greeks and Italians from New York. And that was the biggest ride you've ever seen in your life. Oh boy. I tell you one more story. Pretty good. We had a Bigfoot scare around here. Oh, let's go. Some fella. This is what we've been waiting for. Some fella right next to us. The kid scared him to death. He said Bigfoot come out and feel walked around and he stayed in the stands at nine o'clock and jumped out running. He shot at nine milliwi behind a corner. And I think he quit hunt. I'm not sure. We had a fella come down here from Arkansas. We was a Bigfoot investigator. Mr. White. He stayed here three days. They stayed out there. He said they talked to each other and all that. And so what. I mean, talk to the Bigfoot. During this big scare we thought we would just push it a little bit. So oh boy. You can take a bongo drum and fill a hole in the middle of it and put a cotton clothes line in it and pull it through the bottom. So you got to knock the top down here and you pull it through the bottom. Make string about that long and get you some pine rods on off one of these trees and get on your finger and you pull that coal and you make that thing sound bad. You go. And I mean it would. You did a docket scare you. That's how bad it was. If you got folks hunting on your line or something, you can back them up. But ain't gonna stay there. Ain't nobody gonna stay there as a dog. But we put four. My guy put four hunters down the road and I got on the hill and he says you just fired a joke up at five o'clock. So we did a five o'clock. I fired it up. We come back in and got in the house. Nobody said a word. Nobody brought it up at all. So then we the next day I said well they probably not have heard it. So the guy that no one said I don't own a road and listen to the next day you know. They heard it. We know they heard it. Came back in and nobody said a word. So there's other from New York I told him about it. He said we'll see. He walked out there and said y'all know I heard the daddest stuff in the woods this day. And when he did that all of them came clean. One of them said it must have been a line from the zoo or something. No one's halfway back to the house. I think he done got out there. He done hit the road. And then I told the guy I said you started this what you're going to do with your heart about this. He said well in the morning coming through the kitchen and do it in the kitchen when they're eating breakfast. And we did it. They got they were real good folks about it. But it was. Did they come back? No yeah they still came back. What the how did you guys figure out the sound of that would make. I think a fellow from told me that I knew from up in Birmingham he told me about it. And I had a fella in the pond shop bed he got me the bongo drum. But if you practiced with it. You can make it big. You can make it sound bad. I'm telling you real bad. The extent of that joke is great. That's hilarious. And we you know we did it. And it was and then we did even did. I had a fella send a $600 break Bigfoot suit down here. You know. And we had a boyfriend from Georgia that he he's get there. I got in the suit and run through the woods right here with a Logan Hill to carry a camera and took pictures of me. And then when we finally did all the pictures we picked the ones where Vay equal you know. And I told that little boy from Georgia he got through hunting that I said Thomas I didn't show you these pictures when you got here because I figured you wouldn't go hunting. And you know the brother got there look at that. I know there was him. It's been all kind of stuff like that. So did the did the guy the gentleman that came to investigate what he he he he left with saying yes there's for sure one here. No he had my he's got three sightings in Lowndes County he interviewed the vote. One of the game one one. Black man on and then unknowns and this fella down here cause like we got him to come talk to him too. And it's I'm to that could have been being Lee might have been hunting with us that might have been being legal he's real bad and he didn't pay on the place and all that you know. So it could have been him wondering. Could have been him wandering around there but I don't know that. A warden said they saw one. Yeah I can go over here in the other county. You know what the largest sight most sightings were in Clark County south of Hill in the river like 30 site. Is there a lot of people around there? No but it's a dry county. There's a lot of whiskey still. Yeah. That's keep my dewoo. Right. Right. Yeah maybe what we heard was my daughter and son was going to they were going to Houston one time and they were down in Louisiana going down it with that big bridge you know while that small piers going through there. They swelled him down one run across the road front of him down there. Came out with crawls with crawls you know. Who claims that? My daughter and Logan my youngest daughter. They said they sat there in the trunk for the longest insane that nature. And finally one of them said they said you see that. Yeah. We can't say nothing about it. We're going to have to ask them on a yeah we are. We can't talk about it. Let's have a whole Bigfoot podcast. Oh I went to California I went to California on my 25th wedding anniversary of all I want to see what the redwood tree. I'm a big tree lover. A little tree and they be you know. Every town out there got a Bigfoot museum. It's the biggest money maker out there. You can buy any kind of Bigfoot paraphernalia you want to in town in Northern California. I didn't know that. Oh yeah. I mean key chain maps everything. Well there's there's isn't because of where to find where people. Because of money like big money like I do. Yeah. Yeah. That's funny. But that's where you go. All right well. Well I'm going to I'll come and see you next year. Hopefully we'll do it again. Oh we'll be back. We got to be back to defend our title. Yeah I know it. We got some good guys to the guys are real good. Really good. They're awesome. That's why people come coming back. They like the guys that they're being we're. You get you get to create relationships with a lot of people and you get to see them once a year. Oh yeah. Like I told you in the book mindset they used to let school out. All right. That's awesome. They call it bookmaster day. That works so cool. All right guys. Well I appreciate it. Yeah thank you. We share appreciated. And so for all you listening we just want to say thank you again. We're coming to you from the Southern Sportsman's Lodge in Alabama. We're sitting here with Mr. Jim and this has been one of the best in my opinion one of the best podcasts we've ever done. If you are listening please give us a review. Let your friends know the podcast keeps growing and we want to keep doing it and we love being able to visit with folks like him. And so plug your spices one more time where everybody can find us. Back a boy seed and then there's some Southern sportsman's season. Southern boys. Southern sportsman's season. And it's cracker boy seed. And then on the internet it's Southern Sportsman's season. Southern Sportsman's season. You need to season your wild game. Southern Sportsman's season. Particularly chicken. Wild or domestic. I think we could 300 pieces of chicken. I think it was good. I can vouch for that. All right guys we're out of here. We sure appreciate you. Peace. See you next time. So.