146: Toxic Products and Harmful Habits That Are Making You Sick | Darin Olien

On today's episode of the Real Foodology Podcast, wait a minute, you're allowing a chemical that's a probable carcinogen that's an endocrine disruptor that has a chain of bad effects on your whole system. Doesn't have half-lives. We have been using forever chemicals in many different forms. This is how insane we are. Hi friends. Welcome back to another episode of the Real Foodology Podcast. As always, I am your host, Courtney Swan. I'm really, really stoked about today's guest. I have been following his work for about 12 years now. He helped create this protein drink called Shakeology. And I used to drink it like way back in the day. And at the time he was known for his superfood hunting. He was going around the world and finding all these different native cultures, superfoods, and incorporated them into this drink called Shakeology. But the reason that he is on the podcast today is to talk about his new book called Fatal Conveniences. His name is Darren Ollian. You may know him from the Netflix show Down to Earth with Zach Efron, which by the way is an incredible show. If you have not checked that out yet, I highly recommend watching it. It's such a great watch. I really enjoyed it. And the work that he's doing is just incredibly important for modern living right now. So that's what we talk about today is all about his book and what encompasses in his book. It's a lot of stuff that I talk about pretty frequently on my podcast, more so on my Instagram, chemicals and toxins in our everyday life. They were finding in body care and makeup and furniture. It's even showing up in fast food wrappers. If you guys are paying attention to this conversation at all, you know that recently, Simply Orange, the orange juice was, they tested it. And they found that it has over 200 PFASs in it or PFAS. These PFAS are also known as forever chemicals. They are in things like Teflon, non-stick cookware, anything that is waterproof. So if you have like raincoats or pants that have been sprayed, boots that have been sprayed, they're even finding it in workout clothes like Lulu Lemon. It's a huge problem right now. And there's not enough conversation about it. It's incredibly concerning, but it's also empowering to know. And we talk a lot about this in the podcast just that the more awareness we have, the better choices we can make. And there's a lot of companies doing it the right way now, but we need to be aware so that we can avoid these things because we are exposing our children to it. And we're exposing our families who are exposing ourselves to this stuff on a day-to-day basis. I mean, there's a statistic out right now that women on average are being exposed to 168 different chemicals every single day, just based on the body wash, the shampoo, lotion, perfumes, makeup, deodorant, fragrance, all the stuff that we're being exposed to on a day-to-day basis. And it's happening exponentially more for women, but it's men are also being exposed to this stuff as well because it's just in our environment. So we talk a lot about that, the health implications of it, and also what we can do about it and how we can move forward from this and really make change and hopefully get all these chemicals out of our environment. So I'm very excited for you guys to listen to this episode. With that, let's just get into the episode. Okay, just kidding. Before we get in with Darren Ollian, if you're loving the podcast, please, if you could take a moment to write and review it. It means so much to me. It really helps this show and it helps this show grow. Thank you guys so much. I really appreciate your support. I have been consuming collagen for about six years now. I like to put it in my morning drink, whether that's coffee or matcha. I usually prefer coffee, but lately I've actually been doing coffee and then having a matcha a little bit later. I love to mix the collagen in with my nut milk that I put in my coffee. It's usually almond milk or coconut milk. And I'm so excited to announce that Organify has their own collagen now. As with all Organify products, it's glyphosate residue free, really high quality. It has hydrolyzed bovine, high collagen peptides that are derived from pasture raised cows. It also has eggshell membrane collagen. It's taken from the thin layer between the egg and the shell. And this is collagen rich and it may be beneficial for strong joint health. It also has hydrolyzed fish collagen peptides derived from wild caught fish. Because this collagen source is a small particle size, it makes it easier to digest and more absorbable. And then there's also chicken bone broth protein concentrate in there. This collagen type is actually found in your gut, joints and cartilage and it helps support greater health both inside and out. Collagen is really good for lubricating the joints. It's also great for healing and sealing the gut. Often now because of our diets, people are dealing with leaky gut syndrome. And collagen actually goes in there and helps to seal the gut. So if you're having any sort of leaky gut syndrome symptoms, collagen may be your best bet. It's also great for just replenishing collagen stores that diminish as we age. And may help with wrinkles and keeping supple skin because collagen also is what keeps our skin elastic. So this is why I consume collagen. I love Organifi. I love all of their products. If you guys want to try any of the Organifi products for 20% off, you can use code realfudology or go to organifi.com slash realfudology. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com slash realfudology. Darren, I'm so excited to have you on the show today. I actually have been following your work for a really long time. I first discovered you and your work actually back way back in the day when you created Shakeology. And I remember you were on this like super food hunt looking for all the like the healthiest super foods that we could find all around the world. And so that's originally how I knew about you and your work. But more recently, I'm so excited about this book that you wrote because this is, I think, one of the most important conversations that we're not having enough right now. And it's this exposure to all these toxic chemicals and things that are in common every day, products, furniture, etc. that we're being exposed to that people really don't have much of a clue about. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. It's a, it became just blaringly obvious that everyone who's wanting to be healthy and this invisible world that seems to be a little bit more important. And so I was told that seems to exist with this. And not even anyone's fault. This kind of kind of droned out apathy that rightly so we believe that products should be in our best interest. We believe that they shouldn't cause harm. And to my horror, you know, so many do unless you're actually willing and able and preferred and to seek the ones that don't have harmful ingredients. So I agree, it's a, it's a, it's a conversation that has to be have. We have to have it in order for us to have a great life we can eat, try to eat as well as we can. We can try to exercise. But then when you have hijacking elements from this chemical soup. And largely the Wild West unregulated. Just yeah, it's a, it's shocking actually. It's incredibly shocking. Well, and you brought up such a great point that I see often with the food industry as well as that there's this common misconception that if it's on the shelf, that it's vetted for that it's been tested that it's healthy for us. But unfortunately what's happening is they're just, it's kind of like you said, it's the Wild West and they're kind of just throwing things out in the market and then until there's like an overwhelmingly crazy response to it, which also is kind of hard to track, you know, because there's so many different things going on. But until there's that response, then they start, you know, doing something about it, but then even then they don't do anything about it for like 20 years. I mean, the stuff that you're talking about right now, I've known about for probably 10 years now and it's still like people are still just trying to sound the alarm. Totally. It's, it's, you know, it is a, it's hard for people to first get their head around what you just said, right? And that is, we're going to put this out on the market. But if there's a, you know, and oftentimes it's gnarly there's there's a line item for when there's a lawsuit, you know, so, so they've kind of big companies that baked this in into their, into their, you know, profit margin. Yeah, marketing budgets so, so it to get your head around the fact that profits literally for the majority of owners of businesses when I eat big, the big boys that that they literally care about the profits over the health and safety. The, it's, it's so that the model is flipped where health and safety is not much of a concern. But like you said, over and over and over in this book, and all of the products. Like they, they take the same kind of rule book and that is we're going to put it out there if we don't test our product, even though many of the ingredients have been flagged, have need for their studies have also shown as possible possible likely carcinogenic activities, endocrine disruption, you know, connected to stick to cancer and the matriosis you name it right cholesterol like it's crazy what these these these small amount, because sometimes it is a small amount of these chemicals create a cascade of effect and then only when the public becomes aware of it someone tests it and then there's this huge avalanche of push. That's the good side of social media where you can push this stuff out, someone does some investigation, and, and then, then the plausible deniability gets, gets put in there going Oh, we didn't know. So we'll take the slap on the wrist. And then they're just, you know, these layers of contradiction, even within the regulatory bodies is just astonishing. Right. So you have things like, you know, you have lawsuits against people like Monsanto and using glyphosate we've been using glyphosate since 1974 in our food systems, which is just astronomically insane. Already horrifying. Right. And that's, and that's, and now finally there's some big losses 2018 there was a lawsuit that, that went after specifically the roundup version of Monsanto, which is the individual consumers little chemical poison that they can buy and spray on their lawn. But, but all of these things have been linked for example, I'm just using this as an example of many, but all these things have been been linked this particular pesticide has been linked to all sorts of issues you've got under the endocrine disruption, you've got hypertension, you've got diabetes got stroke you got autism you've got kidney failure we got Parkinson's Alzheimer's, like all of this stuff so you've got international bodies and this was like in 2015 you've got international agency of research on cancer there also declaring it as probable carcinogenic activity, and then the FDA comes out going. Yeah, we disagree. Like, what are you talking about? What do you mean you disagree? Like, and so it's, it's just like these are evidences and you could basically in the book I highlight many of the things that show up so I needed to do partial chapters on this, on this to just kind of get your head around like, what is this ethos? What is this Teflon derivative? What is, what are these, what is this fragrance industry? What is this natural flavor industry? Like, what, what is all of that? And why, and these all these endocrine disrupting compounds that are showing up in the parabens and the phthalates and your mascara and deodorants and, and, and beauty products and lipstick and like, like all of this stuff just keeps showing up everywhere. And then, and, and all the while, all this evidence points that this is, this is not a good thing and, and then put to when you really look at it, you go and none of this is tested. It's very, very little, right? And we're talking a few percent is tested and these are oftentimes what happens is these are tested, but they're only tested in a level that they are testing them in and then they deem proximity use and then they come up with some sort of standard. Virtually all of the research from electromagnetic fields to personal care to how much you're putting on sunscreen doesn't even come close to the actual use of the products. Right? Well, you think about everyday use. So there's a cumulative exposure like that. And then on top of that too, I think another issue is that they may be testing this one chemical, but we don't know what the interactions are with all these different chemicals. Like you just said, I mean, women are being exposed on average to 168 different chemicals every single day because they're makeup, they're lotion, they're body wash, the perfumes, et cetera. We don't know what that cumulative effect and all of those chemicals together are doing in the body. Totally. And that's where it gets, that's where it starts to get just unbelievably insane. The fact that, that this is, that this is happening. Like this, the fact that you said from the beginning, it's like, when you really get your head around this, it is unbelievably, I don't know another word, just utterly insane. You know, when all of these things are connected to disruptions in the body, you could summarize it all as like stressors, all kinds of different stressors hitting you all different ways. And like you said, the average of consumer use, you know, you can make arguments like, okay, the parabens, the phthalates, which why the hell is a plasticizer in your makeup and lotion, first off, right? So it's your leg going, oh my God, right? So why are these things in these products? And then, like you said, of the testing, they're only testing this very, very small amount in a very, very controlled parameter of testing. And under no conditions, have I ever seen or any test ever do any interactions of the 80,000 chemicals they create and throw into our environment every year. And so then you, like you said, you know, the hundreds of chemicals in every product, right? And you have to think of also sometimes a fragrance itself has hundreds of chemicals that are non-dramatic. So they're not chemicals that are non-disclosed, right? So if they just say it's a proprietary formula. So therefore it's a loophole. The FDA says, okay, you don't have to provide us with that information, because it's now they're protecting the IP of the corporation. You don't have to be disclosed. So yes, read the labels, but you can't read labels that don't have these things existing. So then you have a normal day of waking up drinking your water if it's non-filtered, hundreds of chemicals there and going into a non-filtered shower and your body wash and your shampoos, your conditioners, your lotions, your makeups, your, you know, it just goes, it goes on and on and on. And so yeah, I don't know about you, but I'm just not cool with it. No, I mean, this has been a huge topic of conversation on my own page on my Instagram, on my podcast, because, you know, as you've mentioned, we're seeing all of these diseases, these chronic diseases, just skyrocket, you know, in the last, like, I don't know what it's been, what, 30, 40, 50 years. And we can directly correlate a lot of these conditions back to the exposures that we are being exposed to, you know, within these PFAs, the forever chemicals, the phthalates. I mean, there was, I recently had Dr. Shanna Swan on my podcast and she's amazing. She's in the book. We never did her, yeah, for sure. She's amazing. And she talked all about, you know, phthalates and exposure to all these different chemicals. And we can directly correlate things like infertility, the plummeting of testosterone, the motility of sperm is going down. Women are getting more of these, you know, infertility conditions, like endometriosis, PCOS, like, I mean, it goes on and on and on, you know, and it's just like you keep saying, it's mind blowing to me that this is all happening and it's ramping up and it's ramping up. And there's not really much being done about it right now. And on top of that, people are not even aware. You know, on top of the fragrances and the body lotion and all that stuff, I mean, you have to worry about your furniture, filtering your water, like you said, shower filters, bath filters. There another thing recently that I just saw a video recently on Lulu Lemon workout clothes have PFASs in them now. Or do you say PFAs? How do you pronounce it? Or, you know, there's all different, there's actually 9,000 different types of derivatives of Teflon. And so, PFAs, PFASs, PPSs, PPO, ASs, like, there's all kinds of different, and that's the thing. Like, hey, no PFAS, but then they make another chemical strain and then they call it similar to BPA. And then they make, hey, it's BPA-free, but it has BPS, it has BPA. It's like, oh my God, like, we're playing Wacomol. Good to hear the honor. And so, you know, and Dr. Swan, amazing, amazing book, amazing advocates, you know, and I like to see also that the unfortunately, the longer we've been doing this, the work that she's doing and other people, like Dr. Leo Tresande, who wrote a great book, a sicker, fatter, poor, all on EDCs. And so, this research is starting to get out and they're starting to see that this is not just, because it's, are you dying from washing your hair? Not that one time. Right, but, you know, when you're talking about the endocrine system, you're talking about these minute changes that your body chemistry is creating, just, just in normal living, right? So, so minute chemical exposures that are binding to estrogen receptors, mimicking other compounds, the body has no idea what's going on. And it changes these systems and then think about that, right? So, Dr. Swan did a great thing of like seeing half lights of stuff. So, so like the half lights, so you make the argument, amen, these things don't last that long anyway, right? The phthalates, the parabens, however, like you said, the constant exposure to all of this stuff is where, yeah, that'd be fine if we were exposed to once. Right? Once a week, we're probably fine. There'd be no real issue, but you're exposed every day, all day, in a variety of different forms. And then I add on top of it, the PFOS, these, these gnarly grandsons of the teflon industry, these are this classification for everyone listening. You've talked about it before, I'm sure they're a forever chemical. And let's just get our head around that for a second. So, wait a minute, you're allowing a chemical that's a probable carcinogen that's an endocrine disruptor that has a chain of bad effects on your whole system that is a forever chemical. So bioaccumulates, doesn't have half-lives that can get stored into fat tissue. Now they're having this term called abisigens, right? So your body's amazing going, holy shit, that's a toxin, get it away from my organs, shove it into the fat tissue and try not to release it into the body to cause harm, right? So, but it's causing metabolic issues, it's all of these things. So these forever chemicals, just to understand this, we have been using forever chemicals in many different forms. This is how insane we are. All of us were born into this shit, right? So we were easily and willfully using DDT up until 1972. And that's a forever chemical. And then you go, okay, well, at least we banned it. Well, but just to give you an understanding, what is in the blood of virtually everyone today? DDT. Wow. What's it getting into the blood? Is it because it's like in the soil or? Yeah, it's that there's, they call it the half-life is like, I don't technically know, but it's a thousand years, right? So that's why it doesn't, you put it in there, you blasted it into our soul. We keep growing food in the areas, but yeah, we're fine. It's 50 years ago. But this is the forever creation of these chemicals, and we've been using glyphosate since the 70s too. So, you know, we've been, and we're not even, okay, they're starting to look at B activity. So the nicotin, nicotinamides and all of these things are causing all kinds of disturbance in bees and things like that. So then, okay, the pollination of our literal food system is under threat, but they also now new studies are showing that we're literally killing worms and other beneficial bacteria in our soil. So like, when that's done, we're done. Like, this is the, it's the same mentality of like, you're not okay as you are. We've got something for you. But, but we've used chemicals to do it. So therefore, we've divorced nature in the process. And then now it has a long, on your list of side effects, as opposed to everything in my book. All has a solution, right, everything. There's always a solution. And a lot of what we have to come back with is our apathy of our habits. We all have them. You get into habits and you just keep doing them. But if you're not aware, then you can't have a choice. So that's a whole point of this book and the people before me were trying to raise the alarm of this stuff and like, I just want to take you lightly by the shoulders. Everybody listening to shake you a little bit and go, I'm sorry to say this. I didn't do this. I was born into a two. I'm at the effect of it to your children are your dogs are your family is you are. So, be aware of the products out there, but you always have a choice. So now that you're aware, you can shift over here and create a new habit with a beneficial product or or a natural product that's not hurting you in the process, but actually cannot lift you. I think of things like you want perfume. Cool. Go to nature flower essences essential oil actually can help you because nature never essentially has a detrimental kill switch, right? You know, obviously cycles of nature, but you're not going to have a laundry list of things when you put on, you know, beneficial things in your body. Did you guys know that over 70% of sodium in the US diet is consumed from packaged and processed foods when you adopt a whole foods diet, you are eliminating or hopefully eliminating these processed foods and therefore sodium from your diet. Now, the solution is not to reintroduce processed foods in your diet, but by not replacing that sodium, you can actually negatively impact your health and performance. If you guys listened to my episode, the salt fix with Dr. James Dineck, we learned that sodium is actually really imperative mineral for the body. Sodium helps maintain fluid balance. It's an electrolyte. So it helps keeps us hydrated. It also aids in nerve impulses. It regulates blood flow and blood pressure. It's incredibly important. And if you're eating a whole real food diet, chances are you're probably not getting enough sodium. Also, this is probably going to be a shock to hear, but if you are just drinking water without adding minerals back into your water, you're not actually hydrating. My personal favorite way to stay hydrated throughout the day is through drinking element every day. That's L-M-N-T. It's a delicious tasting electrolyte drink mix that has everything you need and nothing you don't. So that means lots of salt. There's no sugar in there. 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Again, it's drinkelement.com. That's drinkL-M-N-T.com. I love this. And this is also what I love about your message because it's very similar to mine where I really believe, well, first and foremost, I'm very passionate about informed consent. Because we can't make the best decisions for ourselves, for our children, for our families, whatever, without being fully informed of what's going on. And then once you know, you can do better. Because I think there's a lot of people too that kind of spiral out and feel ashamed. Or they feel shamed and they feel bad that they've been exposing their children to this or whatever. And I try to tell people, like, look, you were doing the best that you could with the information you had at the time. But now that we know better, we do better. And there are alternatives too. And that's the other thing I love about your message is that it's not all doom and gloom. It is right now because we're exposing all of this. We're learning about all the craziness that's going on right now. But once we know, we can start making better, more informed choices. And there's a lot of companies doing really amazing things. You know, there's a lot of really clean companies out there. There's companies that are super upfront about the fragrances that they use. They list them out. I remember there was a company maybe like a year ago that wanted to send me some of their deodorant. And it was sent to deodorant. And I wrote them back and I was like, I don't know. I don't do fragrances. I don't trust them. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And they were like, oh, they're actually really natural and clean. I was like, OK, well, but I don't know that. And they're like, well, send you are. They sent me the proprietary list, the exact list of every single fragrance that was in there. And I wouldn't look them all up. They were super safe. They were very transparent about it. And now it's like one of my favorite deodorants. And they also make essential oils. And it smells really amazing. I put it in diffusers in my house. So instead of using candles, it's so there's other options. It's just all about being informed and knowing which companies are doing it the right way and making us safe products. Yeah, and I love that. And I celebrate that. I don't know the company, but who is it? They're called. I'm trying to remember. I think it's called, oh, it's Curie. It's C-U-R-I-E. And they do, yeah, they do deodorant. They have this whipped body wash that I love. Like I said, they do a little essential oils for diffusers. Like they have a lot of amazing products. Right. And that's where, you know, people can easily look at my book and like going, oh, my God. Because I spent, you know, two and a half years on this thing with 20 researchers and all this stuff. And of course, my first teacher was, you know, should I talk about in the book, it was my dad. And 30 years ago, he was chemical sensitive. So that was my first to like, what the hell's going on? Like, why is my dad being basically handicapped by this stuff? And so I celebrate, so my optimism comes by way of exactly what you're saying. There's incredible people and innovation. And that's where you and I have in this conversation and every, all of your listeners, so clearly your listeners are already tuned in. Right. So that's the, that's the army that we get to create because they get to tell people, they get to pass this podcast on, they get to share it, they get to share it with their neighborhood, their family, their kids, their pets and slowly start to transition out of this stuff. Because it's, I think of all of it as the journey of life. I am not, I'm perfectly imperfect. I, you know, personally, I just discovered something about myself in relationships that blew my mind. Like, I'm going, oh my God, I can't believe I've been doing that and I had no idea. So not to unpack that, but as a, it's so easy to go to, holy shit, how stupid am I? That's like maybe a second where like, I am so grateful for the awareness. And that's what we have to shift into. Health or mental health needs to shift into that, going, you're not broken. There's nothing wrong. You're just becoming aware and awareness. I don't know about anyone else, but awareness is, is the antidote, right? Fear and anger and resentment and all that. So that's not going to take you other than down, right? So become aware, live radically honest, and then face this stuff. Like, you know, sometimes you just got to put on the big pants and just go, okay, take a deep breath and look at this stuff because the only way, call it a relationship, call it anything you want positively to change, you have to look at what you're not willing to look at or willing to do in order for change to happen. So look at, I look at all of this stuff as opportunity of like, wow, it's amazing that I didn't see that, but wow, now my, my world, is wide open. And now I have this, using this example that I haven't given any details to, but, but, but my ability to love, let's say, just got opened in such a massive way. And I was like, oh my God, that's incredible. And I'm now so excited about life because how is life going to show up if I'm now what more wide open to life, all of life than before? So that's the thing with all this stuff. You can choose to be in fear and be into overwhelm. That's a lie. That's just a mental thing that we're doing. Or you can look at this stuff going, just take it one thing at a time. Listen to this podcast and go, okay, maybe I should take out, you know, I put on that damn deodorant every day. It's close to my breast tissue. It's canal aluminum salts or not. So great. I'm not great at all. Right? So let's, let's maybe look up that other. Curie, I think it was called. Let's look at, let's look at that deodorant and then I put many, many solutions in the book that I tried to do my best in pivoting. And, and, and become again, I don't know about you, but I get excited to integrate. It takes sometimes, yeah, the, the punch on the chin of just realizing like, oh my God, I just did laundry yesterday and I use this gnarly fragrance that smells crazy and it's full of chemicals. Okay. Don't do that anymore. Yeah. I was, I was going to say pass it on, but then maybe don't. Yeah, don't, you don't want to expose other people to it. Like you said, it's the, the everyday habits, the ones that we really need to be the most concerned about, you know, the deodorant, the laundry detergent, because you're sleeping in those sheets every night. You're wearing those clothes during the day. Every day you're being exposed to all these different things every single day. It's the other stuff where you're, you're not being exposed to as much that I'm not as out. It's the everyday stuff, you know, and let's give people a little bit of a snapshot of things that maybe like where are some places that maybe they're not fully aware that there could be these chemicals in there that they're being exposed to on a day to day basis. Like for example, I think people wouldn't even think about baby's diapers. Yeah. So, yeah, baby's diapers is pretty crazy. So I get it. Like again, all these things are so convenient. Throw away diapers, buy this thing, use it, throw it away. I get it, but it's number one, it's plastic, which is oil and petroleum. And then they use, so all that squishy, the ability for a plastic to be malleable means that it has all kinds of different plasticizers in it. Those are phthalates, typically. And those phthalates are 100% endocrine disrupting. And then they put all this absorbent chemicals in there. And then, which are all other synthetic fibers. And then, of course, no one wants it to smell bad. They're afraid of poop smell when it's just a natural process of a baby. And then the fragrances are in there too. Oh, God. Right? A lot of them. And so think about that now. We know that this is affecting children at this level without a doubt. So you have got this precious organ of the skin. You've got their genitalia. And now you're putting plastics, petroleum, chemicals, endocrine disruptor, fragrances on their genitals, which have to absorb a certain amount of those. So your child's endocrine system is being thwarted all for the convenience. What can you do? Spend a little extra money up front. Unbleached, undied, unformaldehyde diapers, organic diapers, by, I don't know, 20 of them. And then just rotate the wash. Wash them. Obviously not in fragrance, gnarly chemicals, because then you're just reintroducing the same problem again. So it isn't a big deal unless you're not aware. Right? So those things are like, I just think, you know, not to bum people out, but we always had this delusion that children were so protected in the womb even, like that placental barrier. Hey, man, you can kind of do whatever you want. The body is going to protect the child. Well, that's not true. It's not true at all. And several studies have shown that the what the mother is doing, what the mother is exposed to is absolutely in the umbilical cord, hundreds of manmade chemicals in the umbilical cord of most children being born today. So this is not an experiment we should take lightly. So then on top of it, you're bringing them in, you're putting Johnson and Johnson talk powder full of heavy metals on there. You're putting a easy to wipe off baby bib that's full of PFAS. So they're chewing on plastic with the with the binkies and the toys. I mean, I don't mean to laugh, but it's crazy. It's the twilight zone. I mean, just everyone for a second to spend your shame of not knowing, because we all didn't know we were born into it. Right? We were born into it these systems because I think of everything as a system. I think of these systems that we just like, yeah, it's what my mom did. It's what, you know, my babysitter did. I do that. It's what my brother did. I use this. And you're just, you're kind of just going, right? And I'm just going to eat all this ultra processed food. I'm not going to care about pesticide, whatever. You know, you just do this stuff. And over time, this is where we get hijacked. This is this is this is this is the issue, but it's it's happening sooner than what we think. And I just did on my podcast, the fatal convenience on children's food. Right? We have these food menus and we've somehow just came to this conclusion that kids, they're fine. They're just they're kids, they're resilient. Well, you're still exposing them the chemicals. You're still exposing them to non food food. Right? You're still, you're setting up massive changes in their metabolic system in their micro biological system. I mean, these, these pesticides, herbicides, larvicides, and secticides, these things wipe out like antibiotics. They wipe out digestive flora. So setting up for metabolic issues, setting up for immune system, setting up for, I mean, I'm I'm inflamed. I can't eat this food sensitivities, food allergies, like, like this is real, but this is a this is a bad chemical warfare that again, I'm gonna go back to the optimism. We all can change it. And we have billions of us. So we have the power because I guarantee you I've talked to some big companies. When they see a trend, like, we got to get on that or else we're gonna literally leave. So we set the trend. But what's happened is they try to set the trend and create, you know, the the clown from McDonald's, the tiger for the frosted flakes. And so they they create this gnarly, deeply ingrained, marketing system that's been manipulating us for a very long time. So it's like, not, not anymore. No, if you created safe products, if you created great products with our health and mine, I wouldn't have had to write it write a book. You wouldn't have had to talk about it. Scientists and all the research wouldn't have to do about it and call this stuff out. But that's not reality. So, you know, it's, it's, yeah, it's a hell of a thing to swallow. But I'm like, I love awareness. I love to be aware so that there's infinite choice. Because if we don't have infinite choice, we have a very limited life. Yes. Yes. Oh my God. I'm so glad that you said that. I mean, you and I are of the same kind of thing. I'm so glad that you're in the same kind of way. I'm so glad that you're in the same kind of way. I'm so glad that you're in the same kind of way. I'm so glad that you're in the same kind of way. 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I mean I believe in that sovereignty, I believe in the health of us, I believe in the human spirit more than I believe in anything else. Yeah, me too. Because we all have a desire to thrive, we all have a desire to live the greatest life ever. Even though some of this shit has kind of brought us down, you know, and it's easy to just scroll around and go, holy shit, this world is fucked up, right? Yeah. Okay, well that's a point of view that you can take or you can look and find people because there's a lot of them. And there's a lot of entrepreneurial people that are putting their heart and sweat into these products that are better for you and better for the planet. And like you said, like don't underestimate our voting power of our dollars. Don't give your dollars to organizations that don't give a shit about you. Like they don't care about you. Like when I meet someone and I instantly connect with them, I care for them. Like there's a natural thing. If I meet someone that doesn't give a shit, doesn't give a shit about, I ain't doing anything with them. Right? So we can take that same thing with the companies that are willing, the company who's willing to give you their IP and go, hey, check this out. We're proud of it. If I was a company, that's the place I'm going. It's what we do if they're my nut company out of Brazil. Like we've got the highest rated sustainable score that the third party has ever tested because we're looking at the environment where we're looking at the safety of the indigenous people. We're looking at the food safety of the people that are getting this wild food. So it's like that's how we need to look. That's the spirit of not taking a quick turn, just focusing on profit. Like we need to look at, as soon as we reduce, we create problem. But if we look through the lens of the best of our ability as wholeism, especially as entrepreneurs, as people wanting to do better in the world, like let's support those. And I get it. Like some of the arguments is they're too expensive. And yes, some of them are. But if a bunch of us who can afford it keep pushing it, the Elon Musk model, right? He had to start his business with like the high end car that could accelerate and create cash flow. And then with the cash flow, the prices come down. Also, there's a bunch of great fun DIYs. I think about all this stuff with the mama bears of the world who have kids like teach them how to make clean laundry detergent or deodorant or shampoo or healthy ways to clean your vegetables, teach the kids, make it a learning moment. And now all of a sudden they know. So now you've just informed them without needing to preach to them going, Hey, we're making this because, you know, the other things are just like chemicals. And it actually hurts you. You can't study as much. Your attention is not you're not yourself. And they're like, Oh, wow, I don't want that. Let's make this mom. You know, so so we have to like get back into that kind of idea. And and the ones that we can't afford, we just put a thumb, you know, a holding place. And when we can, we transition. We do the best we can. That's what life is. We do do the best we can with what you like you said in the beginning. You're all here in some of this stuff for the first time. And it's like, shit, but at the time you're doing the best you can. Yeah, exactly. Just go cool, forgive yourself for not knowing because you didn't know who cares. Now you know. Now what are you going to do about it? Exactly. And then that's where it becomes empowering because then you realize that you do have a choice. And there are other options. And like you said, you can do DIY. You can teach your children how to do this kind of stuff. And thankfully we do live in a time that more and more companies are creating better, more accessible, more affordable products. I've been seeing more and more than pop up. I mean, when I first got into this like 10 years ago, there was not a lot of options. But now there's a ton of companies creating cleaner laundry detergents and cleaning products and face washes, you know, body care, like there, there are definitely options. I mean, you can even find stuff at Target. I do videos all the time on my Instagram saying, Hey, this is a clean, sustainable beauty line and everything's no more than like $20. You know, so it's, it's definitely becoming more accessible. And I just find all of this so empowering. And I hope that people listening are like, okay, feeling good, I'm feeling empowered. I feel like there's things we can do. We have choices because we do, we do. What was your just out of curiosity? I'd love to know what was your kind of starting moment when you were like, I got this, this is, this is crazy. Yeah, I think, you know, it all happened for me kind of at once. I started getting really, really into health and nutrition. My mom, a lot of it came from my mom, to be honest. So my mom lived in Boulder for a long time in that community, you know, during the 70s and 80s. And they were really on it, you know, very early. And she was really on the food. She was making everything from scratch. I mean, she still does now. But like as a kid, like was making like bread from scratch and pasta from scratch and just cooking every meal. And she was also really on like the products and stuff. She never really wanted me to be on a lot of prescription drugs. She was very careful about all that, careful about the products that she used on me. And as a child growing up, I didn't really fully understand it. It obviously stuck with me, you know, as an adult. But you know, growing up, I was kind of like, oh, this is weird. Like we're shopping at the weird, like natural food stores. Like what is this, you know, I know my friends are going to get like McDonald's for dinner. And then I went to college. So I got exposed to it from a very young age. And it really made an impact on me. And but I wasn't aware of the impact until I moved out of the house. And then I started seeing the effects of all the, you know, all the horrible food that I was eating. And just I kind of, I got it backwards where like I felt so good. And then I started being exposed to all stuff when I went to college and living on my own. And I was like, Oh, this is like, I feel terrible. And so I started reading books about nutrition and health. And it all, like I said, it all kind of just came together when I started realizing how important it was, not only of the things that I was putting in my body, but what I was putting on my body is when I started to really understand this. I think I first was looking at a deodorant and realizing that there was a connection with like breast cancer and aluminum and all of that. And I just kind of went down a deep dive. And then it's one of those things like once you learn one thing and you peel back one layer, it's, you're just like, Oh, wow, this is like a bloom and onion. I'm just like, you know, rolling back all the layers. And it's really how I got into it. Yeah, that's cool. And that's, and that's exactly it too. Because you realize across all of these systems or across all of these different areas from your house, what's in your house to the clothes you're wearing to your personal care, to the food industry, you're like, they're all using this weird sort of playbook that there's less and less and less accountability and and failing safety standards. So yeah, it's just it's an onion. And I even very, very difficult to conclude this book, because it's so big, right? It was naively gone. I know about a bunch of this stuff. Let's write a book. And you're like, once you kind of really commit and even pull layers that I didn't even know, I'm like, Oh my God, if I get into this, I don't, this is a whole book. So I have to kind of like button the chapters because it's it's so intense. Like telecommunication companies, the history of fluoride, it's like going, Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh my God, this stuff is not only fascinating. It's like, because I read it, then I read the studies and it's like going off in my head like a movie. And I'm just going, but I can't, but but I have to like pause it. So my book took a lot longer because I was having to amass a huge amount of information to then go, Okay, I have to conclude it. Then like this. Yeah, it's, it's crazy. I'm really excited for people to read it. And I do, I also in, in this discovery for myself, like I said, I first got into food, I realized that, you know, similar to what you were saying is that all these companies are using a similar playbook, if you will. And we saw this happen with big tobacco. I mean, we literally have seen copy and paste step by step what happened. And all, I mean, that, that isn't an isolated incident. And this is what I think people really need to understand is that this is happening literally right now. With the chemical industry, with the food industry, with the pharmaceutical industry, it's happening across the board. And the more people that are aware of this, the more people start pushing back. And we realize, first of all, we need to make peace with it that it's happening. And then be like, no more, we're not going to take this shit anymore, you know, like stop doing this to us. Because it is happening on a large scale. Exactly. And I, I, I couldn't help but to come to that same conclusion, right? Especially the thing that was the most alarming, which we don't have time to get into all of it, but the telecommunications companies, the electrification of our world has some deep dark secrets. And that, that to me was like, when you're seeing non-ionizing radiation, which is the radiation that we're using every day all day, right? So our laptops or cell phone, when you're seeing it, it cause similar things to the chemicals that we were just talking about, endocrine disruption, lowering testosterone, we're talking proximity and usage of time. So let's be clear. It's not physically ripping your DNA apart, like ionizing radiation, like a rate, but over time, it's causing epidemiological change. They're, they're studying that more and more. When I was reading the, what was going on in the telecommunication world, I was like, oh my God, they're just doing exactly what big, big tobacco did. And the alarming nature for 25 years has been, they've known that the, the electromagnetic fields, even putting in, you know, electricity, they know that this stuff is connected to leukemia, then you start flipping on Wi-Fi's and all of this stuff, and 5G, the telecommunication, that is a crazy story. It is just an unbelievable story of what they know, what they suppress, what they don't plausible deniability, because the EPA, it actually fell on the EPA, environmental protection agency, who did a lot of the studies pre 1994, and they found a bunch of problems. And then overnight, all of that shifted to the safety standards for the FCC, and now they have standards that are 20 years old. So you like on, huh? Like our advanced tech is moving, we're putting cell phones up to our head, and your safety standards are 20 years old. What are you talking about? Like, it doesn't make any sense. And so it's frightening too, and you think about how fast it's all happening. You know, there's a new iPhone out every year, and all this technology is running at such a rapid pace, and what we can't even do any studies on it in the last 20 years. There's studies, but they're just not- But they don't want to, they're suppressing them. Yeah, you have to dig them up, and you have, there's great books, the invisible rainbow, if you want to grab it whole of the history of electrification, jump into that, it will blow your mind. It should be a movie that you don't want to watch, but really need to watch. So, you know, the thing that just to button that conclusion, shut off your Wi-Fi routers at night, so you can sleep, your body's electric. That's how they diagnosed you, you know, you put your heart in everything else that's EKGs and everything else, so your body's electric, and you're getting hit with electric fields at a frequency of an electromagnetic field. Keep that cell phone off of your head, plug back in, just, you know- Wired headphones. Wear headphones that are plugged in. Yeah. Wired headphones, and so things like that, common sense. It does all this stuff really does come back to common sense, similar to your mom, and like, hey, she's like, hey, best quality is, I just make it myself, right? Yeah. The best source is you just going, just don't assume that everything you can buy is all that great for you. Do some work, you know? What do you think about, do you know about the soma Vedic? Do you know about these things, the crystal, do you think those work? Do they help? Well, I haven't seen direct studies on them. I have dove into many. There's a German company. I've started to have a lot of back and forth. They've done up to 25 studies called Waveguard, and so the idea with soma Vedic and Waveguard, again, I don't have real data to say that it's the same thing, but I understand what they're trying to do. So basically, and I know that Waveguard is proving it in the studies that they have done, but the idea is that we're being hit, the satellites now are blasting us with 5G, and they're putting more and more up. We didn't get the chance to vote on that, right? So they're just doing all this, they're smartifying everything. So we are getting hit with electrical pollution more and more and more of it. But what do we do? Go live in the woods. Well, soon the woods won't even be safe because it would be coming from our ionosphere. So these devices are essentially creating a field effect. So we naturally, as electrical beings, we create a toroidal field, right? And so these devices are kind of going back to nature. And so how can we create a toroidal field that depolarizes polarizing radiation, non-ionizing? So polarizing radiation is essentially everything we created. So think of it like this. It gets very complex, but I'll keep it simple. The sun is non-polarizing. If you hang out long enough, it will burn you. But for an example, if you polarize the sun, that would take a magnifying glass and condense it into a laser and it will burn, you know, start a fire that way. That's essentially our electronics are polarizing. They're directed energy fields that are going to your phone and going to you and all of this stuff. That polarizing energy is intense for our bodies, causes us stress. Free radical species, effects our immune system, electro-sensitive people, about 17% of this country people are electro-sensitive. WHOs trying to put that as a condition. So people and most people don't even recognize that they're being affected in this way. So these devices essentially are creating this field. So then the polarized radiation is coming into contact with that field. The idea is that non-polarizes the polarizing radiation. So some of the studies that WaveGuard did was they showed in the field effect of the cell phone or the Wi-Fi or the 5G that in the control where there was no electromagnetic field, they did a tissue study where the tissue was cut and on a cellular level it healed in normal conditions. That was the control. And then they had the skin cut and affected trying to heal in an electromagnetic field that it was having a very hard time healing itself on a cellular level. Then with the WaveGuard in this instance, the non-polarizing field, it didn't go 100% like it was an effective but up to about 75% effective. So it cut down the polarizing radiation by 75%. So signals still worked and everything but it didn't affect your body as much. And they're continuing to advance into more and more products that are there. So I have a travel unit that I take with on planes. That's fascinating. So it is a wild world that I don't know about you but I can't shoot down these satellites. I wish I could. I would give it a shot literally and figuratively. But since that is, we have to use nature to help protect us from the stupid decisions that we're making. Because again, of course I still have a cell phone. I still use these things but you have to use them with scents. So keep them on speaker phones, plug back in and keep them off when they're on your body, these kind of things. But anyway, EMFs is all a whole other. Yeah. I might have to have you come back on to talk about those. Well, this has been such an amazing conversation. I'm so grateful to have you want to talk about this. This is incredibly important information and I mean life-saving for people. So I'm so grateful that you wrote this book and that you're making people aware. Before we go, I just want to ask you one question that I ask all my guests. And this is a personal one. And I'm very curious to know what your answer is. What are your own health non-negotiables? These are things that you prioritize either daily or weekly to really take care of your health non-negotiables. Oh my god, I have a list, right? All my water, clearly all my water is horror filter and I build it back up again with electrolytes and spin it and vortex it and everything else. My morning meditation, my morning journaling, my superfoods, du jour, my adaptogens. And yeah, and always touching nature every day. So that's the broad stroke but without a doubt and whole food eating. Like, yeah, there's just no way I'm living without doing those things. Yeah, yeah, great. Well, we're very aligned in those as well. Will please tell everyone where they can find fatal convenience. Is it out yet or is it coming out soon? Well, depending on when you watch this, it will be May 16th. So next week, when we're recording this, so yeah, you can get everywhere where you buy books or go to daronoline.com and I've got fatal conveniences, got all the links there and yeah, so you can find me. 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