Are you going to the meeting in May?
Let's go. I'm gonna go.
In Norman?
You think I'm gonna go to that shit to hear some people?
You're killing my pants.
You need to stop because of them.
This podcast time!
You're so disgusting.
Welcome back to the Reptile with podcast.
How you guys doing?
Good.
Hell yeah, well I just came back from Georgia.
Nobody gave right.
Why not?
You didn't go hurt me. You didn't find a thing.
I did find a thing at Repticon.
No, yeah.
Retakes and berms.
Bro, that was like the coolest thing.
That's so hilarious to me.
I haven't seen a berman person in like,
I mean I'm at the plus of the Everglades,
so at least like three days.
That's all one of my way to work to there.
No, but it was definitely cool to see...
You have a ball gun?
Oh my God.
No.
Fuck no.
That on table just for the ball gun.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, I mean, it was cool to see on a contest.
It was cool to see.
I think that was the first time I saw an anaconda.
Ever.
They're cool.
You don't go outside to a zoo or nothing?
I was like, you didn't go outside.
I'm like more than fucking Brazil.
You know I've never seen in person?
I've never seen the scrub python in person.
Never. Any of the, the penis.
Never. It's so sad.
Okay.
Yeah, I want to give you a spark.
Talk about the anaconda.
I'm like, nobody gave him off.
Fuck.
It's so sad. I'm sad.
All right, so yeah.
On the fucking bolt gun topic.
I guess we got to give our updated thoughts and opinions on this shit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm not going to lie to you.
Our timing.
We thought the timing was great.
And it fucking wasn't because the second that that podcast went out.
You see everything came.
Yeah, that shit pissed me off because like how you got the whole story
and you're going to put out 25% and then 25% and then 25%.
Like the way Donnie does 25% and then nothing else.
Yeah, yeah.
Like the way Donnie does it, it was like, all right, hold on guys.
Boom.
Comes out with a whole bunch of shit.
Yeah. And I'm like, okay, here we go.
Oh, like we can now we have a story.
But no, you as like said, he is 25% in the holy Thursday massacre.
Yeah, like only outside of this story.
Like motherfucker.
But hey, they did their job and they did it well.
Well, fear monitoring.
Oh, for sure.
But a lot of fear and dude, the entire community.
That's what it's all about.
Every time FWC, every time FWC,
we're circa on Instagram posts anything.
The entire community is just like big thing in the comments.
Like just say everything.
They don't even care.
They're like, oh, is this a poem?
Listen, I'll say, I'll say it's going to the fear mongering itself.
There are some things that they could they could push for.
It's still pull this off.
But what do you think of what they did of what they're saying
about this specific thing is fear mongering.
So when they started with the story, 25%, right?
They started with a little piece of the story.
Because of course, the rest of it, it's too mid.
So I saw people watch this.
I saw people, I think I sent it on the chat.
I saw people at first, 25% of the story goes out.
And everybody's going crazy.
Because it's only one side of the story.
They didn't say, yo, this is what happened.
They didn't talk about the body cams or nothing.
To be honest, they didn't have much.
They just had Chris video.
Yeah, but they only had Chris video.
Bro, hold on and get your shit.
But then, then Donnie puts out the other video
and then I see people's stories just switch.
And they go, wait a minute.
It's not exactly what we thought.
Still fucked, but it's not exactly what we thought.
I sent one of the stories of the girl.
Oh.
Well, it is what it is.
It is what it is.
So whenever she was in.
You guys were talking over each other, so chances are
that didn't even come out.
So that comes out, right?
That comes out.
And then people are like, wait, what the fuck?
But she also didn't have information.
So I was kind of like, it's just her speculation.
No, no, no, no.
She wasn't guessing.
She wasn't guessing.
She said on her story was, wait a fucking minute.
The story isn't fooled.
And she watches the body cam.
And she goes, wait a fucking minute.
It's not exactly what they said it was.
It's bad, but it's bad enough to put up.
You could take that story and put out the bad and be OK.
But they made it like, yo, this was horrible.
They showed up just to kill the snakes when that is not
exactly the fact that it's not exactly the fact that they
have some who has a lot of fault in this.
And they don't say that.
OK, but there's some worth to some people being like,
hey, look, a bunch of the animals that we like are being
killed and nobody cares.
You know?
And it's like, yeah, I said it on the last episode
when we were talking about this.
They could never do that with dogs or cats and post it.
Horses never.
And post it.
But it happens.
Yeah, of course.
But the entire community would be insane.
Peter would be insane.
Everybody would lose their minds.
Nobody cares about the retics and berms.
And I think in that sense, USR is like, yeah, look,
look what happens.
Nobody cares about us.
Yeah.
And I'm like, and I'm like, and I'm like, bro, bro,
like in my mind, I'm like, bro.
With the mistake.
Yeah, so that's not even that's not
the thing.
They push the mistake of the boa as something that is not.
Yeah.
I'm going to tell you that right now.
But that is the perfect thing to fucking pull.
Like that card is the card.
The boa is the card they can win.
Not the retakes, not the pythons.
The boa is the card that they can win.
This is the thing.
OK, I think that we're we're shitting a little bit too much
on coffee right now.
Because no, every single side.
OK, like I'm not even picking FWC.
Like what they did is fuck.
Yeah, because my thing is is that like he did say in the body
cam footage, he was saying how he was like, yo,
like I have been trying to contact you guys about either
moving certain things or any kind of issues
that he was having with the time he did.
He did.
And you guys were not complying with me.
I was trying to talk with you.
And I mean, we know, I don't know about you,
but Tino knows that trying to get information from FWC
is a pain in the fucking ex.
They still haven't responded to my email.
Yeah, that is tough.
I've called FWC.
And I've got it.
I've got a three different answers to my question.
I will say this.
If you have an officer, it's way easier to contact.
So like, my job, I can literally call whoever it is.
Well, if you were saying in the video,
like I was talking to you, you weren't getting it.
Well, no, he said, he said, you said,
you were going to get back to me and you never did.
Yeah, but now he gets charged with some shit
for having it for an extended period of time.
But this is the thing.
This is the thing.
This is the thing.
The law says this is the amount of time you have.
It doesn't matter what the fuck happens.
Like, suspended license.
Get rid of them, get rid of them.
Yo, I was literally on my way to like renew it.
You're gonna get a ticket.
Because the law says this is the line.
Once you get close to the line,
you are supposed to freak the fuck out.
You have your officer.
He didn't answer last time.
Blow this motherfucker shit up.
He didn't get back to you.
You get to him.
Or there's a time, there's a time
where if you didn't sell in time,
you say free retic by with that one.
Yeah, get rid of that.
That's something that somebody in Georgia did tell me.
And it's not my point of view,
but to reiterate, somebody was just like,
well, if he really wanted to get rid of the animals
so he didn't get in any trouble,
he could have just given them away or something like that.
Send them out and say he could have done that,
but he didn't.
No.
And that was his choice.
So the Python part, I feel bad for the animals that died.
I don't feel bad for him at all.
Because you had time to get rid of those animals.
Those animals are high-end.
Somebody's gonna want them.
Somebody's gonna want them.
You know, I mentioned it,
or if we're not gonna say it or whatever.
She had said like,
oh, he didn't want to take care of these animals anymore.
And I'm like, that's an interesting point.
He now has to keep 30-some odd, large constrictors.
And he went to the point where he's like,
after we see, come, don't charge me,
come and euthanize them.
So I also don't have to take care of them anymore.
And in my head, I'm like,
it's kind of evidence why we shouldn't have
large constrictors as pets, isn't it?
If the breeders themselves don't want to
do these animals.
You don't think that because he was like,
hey, you guys come and euthanize these animals.
If that's the case,
and then the UFC officers come way later,
and then they're like, well, we're charging you
for all this time.
He could have grandfathered.
If he knew he was heading to the dead,
like he could have been like,
hey, I need a grandfather permit these animals.
Yeah, he got charged.
Because I'm not able.
I think the body chemist says that they couldn't give him
the grandfather.
He passed that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he fucked up.
He does, he fucked up.
He could have probably still micro
if the animals registered them.
When you're trying to contact them,
none of the officers said these were your options.
You could have been grandfather,
and you had to apply for that
and get the enclosure.
But he didn't want to keep those animals.
And if you take him,
Kennan's video, which he does one,
you can see how the enclosure of Kennan.
Like this is the thing,
everybody's older here to kill your animals.
What about everybody else's animals?
Why is he the only one this happened to?
That dude, literally the last episode we were talking about,
I was like, no, after we see our city,
just gonna go there to lose their job.
No, he's there for a reason.
He fucked up, that deadline was there.
That deadline, I will say.
If your license is suspended from here to here,
if you do something after that,
you could call your gun.
I will say also with the sharks,
they did force him, force quote, quote,
because he couldn't move them or euthanize them.
Yeah, for 11 months, which is too long.
That's too long.
I feel like he could have fought that.
They just, yeah.
And he could have, he could have,
he could have, he could have,
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
I'm keeping these animals for this long.
They're costing me.
Either that, either that,
or it'd be like, yo, y'all gonna take this shit.
I don't have enough money to pay for the food.
He could have said something like that.
I think the biggest thing that I've learned through this
is timing with how quick we did it,
because I think Canon's video
has been the best video that I've seen.
I want it for Clint.
Oh, Clint's is gonna do a live stream about it.
Yeah.
I want to see him.
I want to see him, but...
Why is he gonna do that?
I just saw his, like,
enough for the game.
Yeah, he puts it on his Instagram.
But by the time this is ours, probably out.
But the thing is,
everybody's emotionally attached to this thing,
which I fucking get it.
But, like,
and everybody's attacking FWC,
I see people saying that they're gonna defund.
You would start saying on one of the videos,
they were like, oh, you...
FWC is not equipped for this.
We should have, like, either an organization or something.
And I was like, what do you want?
USD?
Are you gonna do it?
USD, hey, this is the thing.
Because somebody has to.
And, going back to what we talked last time,
they don't have to know the species.
And in this case,
they did not misidentify the snake.
Everybody keeps saying that.
They didn't.
I think, to be honest,
that it was just,
they were doing one after the other after the other.
Yes, exactly.
They didn't stop.
Yeah, this is each individual.
Nobody has to know.
Nobody has to know.
He told them.
The fuck up wasn't,
they misidentified a snake.
The fuck up is,
they fucking...
They were in the moment.
They were in the moment.
And then there's people saying, like,
oh, they're acting,
but they wanted to kill it.
Bro, nobody wants to do that.
No, that's insane.
That's a big fuck up, obviously.
Whoever does that is fucked.
Yeah, that guy either lost his job,
suspension, something bad happened.
Yeah, I don't know.
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I think that an issue that's going around
is that everybody is posting their emotional responses.
Instead of looking at everything.
When we get emotional and we're blowing up,
these arguments are lacking nuance.
And the reality is that these lawmakers
don't give a fuck about our emotions.
They don't give a shit about that.
Emotions are not what, like, run this shit.
But that's what I'm trying to say.
And then I had somebody tell me that it wasn't,
like, oh, everybody's attacking FWC,
but it wasn't FWC that killed those animals.
It was these officers.
Yeah, but with my perspective on that,
I'm like, well, that doesn't really make sense
because it's like if those people had a little more training
and knowledge and the patients that it took
to do that procedure very precisely,
as a matter of fact, I think they ended up like
training one guy on the spot to do the youth.
The boat gun, yeah.
You know that maybe they were.
You know what would have been better?
If they were like, hey coffee.
They're doing choices.
Because you're being charged or whatever,
you have to take pictures of all these animals
and submit it to us.
Then when they go to euthanize the animals,
they're like, all right, this is the one.
This is the one.
Yeah, yeah.
This is the one.
I just think that if they were better equipped,
they could have probably made different decisions.
Something that I did notice,
something that they posted today was,
somebody posted on a Facebook group,
all these officers, like personal, like,
yes, I tagged you guys in it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I tagged you guys.
I feel like that's a little far.
I mean, let nature take it seriously.
I mean, that's promoting harassment.
Yeah.
The guy who posted that is promoting harassment.
Yeah, granted, that's like,
go ahead, do it again.
That's public information.
You can do what you want.
But that, he's promoting harassment.
And then, it's gonna back.
Oh, this is gonna backfire.
I think the only thing that can pull is the bow up.
Well, this is the thing.
But now what I'm noticing is that some people,
and don't get me wrong,
I'm not trying to come and defend FWC or.
No, they're cool again.
Yeah, yeah, they're pretty far.
Yeah, or go against any of like USR or any of these keepers.
But it's just like, now then people are starting to attack.
Like, oh, FWC had this file, dude.
Yeah.
Do my favorite timestamp that,
because we can't say that word on this platform.
We could say PDF file.
PDF file.
PDF file.
You can say PDF file.
Okay, file.
It sounds too close.
Something PDF.
Some guy came out that he was a PDF document.
And he works for FWC and everybody's like,
look, it's FWC.
And I'm like, okay, that's like low-hand you.
Because they can do the same thing back.
Well, there's those people in the reptile community,
there's murderers in the reptile community,
there's creeps, there's like all types,
all types, drug dealers, they just everything.
I just think that it's low-hanging fruit
and it's like fuel for what's about to come in May.
Guys, all white people don't look the same, okay.
You're an idiot.
They don't even look similar.
But I think it's all of it is like people are trying to,
some people, I'm not trying to generally,
are trying to really grasp at these straws
because of the legislation stuff,
the meetings that are coming in May,
that it's very important.
So I feel like there's a lot of attention
on this specifically.
Yeah, and USARC wants a whole bunch of people to show up.
But then if you show up and it's like,
you guys support PDF people.
That's not true.
But look, that's true.
So then you're here talking shit for no reason.
USARC is an organization that needs support.
They need people to build their milking.
And this was just an example for everybody.
I feel like, bro, this is the Catholic trust.
USARC was falling off because they had nothing else.
And finally they got the law straw
and guess what they do?
You'll support us and support over there.
And then coffee over here $250,000 go for me.
They did a good job.
I say you guys to go find me.
Did you guys read the description?
Yeah, oh yeah, bro.
Emotional damage.
That there, man, that there explained the situation
a lot to me.
That was like, I understand what happened.
I got it a lot.
It's so much.
Don't read the whole thing.
Just like paraphrase.
That's what it's like five paragraphs.
So this is my thing though.
It's like, I mean, USARC has this thing to talk about right now.
How else do you expect an organization doing what they're,
what they do, like how else do you expect them to react?
No, no, no, I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
Like we're congratulating them for the reaction.
Like that was, that's what they needed.
Now people are taking it too far, including them
because they're just trying to grab on to whatever string.
They killed retakes, technically, legally.
They use a bolt gun in their pets.
That's how people kill a whole bunch of other animals.
Like they're just trying to,
the retakes would kill like this, that's inhumane.
Technically, yeah, but how you kill rats.
Yeah, so you know, it's like,
the actual, so you're saying is that the actual argument is,
is that what, the bulk of it is like, okay,
this is the process, but it's specifically the boa.
The boa that can win.
Yeah.
The boa that can win because it's not illegal.
They destroyed a legal thing that that man owned.
Yeah.
That is a case and a hack.
Dude, I think it's-
Within itself.
I think it's insane how big this is getting,
where they fucking, talking about it on the news.
Fucking, it was, they spoke about it on Joe Rogan,
which I thought was fucking crazy.
I was like, yo, I know those people.
He don't give a fuck though.
Yeah, he didn't give a shit.
Well, I, he gave a shit where he was like,
I don't wanna watch it, but he's like,
give a shit about snakes.
Yeah, he's like, who the fuck keeps those things?
Yeah, I do that.
But yeah, no, it's, they play the cards right now.
What happens after it was gonna be interesting.
Cause they're gonna try and bring FDC down,
quote unquote, good fucking luck.
Like the way they're going about it is trying to take it,
that you're not gonna be able to.
This is going to blow over.
And once it blows over, gets-
Is that an argument that people are actually trying?
Yes.
It's like, take out FWC, I don't think.
Bro, Facebook.
I haven't like-
A whole bunch of people going defund FWC and all this bullshit.
They're not equipped for this.
Somebody else should, and somebody else is USDA.
But why, like what I saw in one of the videos on USR,
they didn't say who they wanted to come up.
They said FWC wasn't it.
Like they're overreaching, whatever.
And somebody has to run it because of the bullshit
that these people in the community do.
I really, I strongly think that if there's gonna be a sector
in government that's gonna be watching over this industry,
this community, that there needs to be an organization
like specifically in charge of these kinds of things.
And I, because I get where you're coming from,
where F, I mean, because you say it, FWC is for the conservation,
is for the wildlife or whatever.
It's like, okay, but why do you task them with doing shit
that clearly they don't have a grasp on?
Yeah, but we are also, we also, especially Florida,
overlapped it too.
What do you mean?
Invasive species.
Okay, but then,
Who's gonna defend that?
You could have a, like some kind of subsection,
NFWC that specifically handles these kinds of things,
specifically in the pet trade, but it's still broad FWC.
But when you have an officer that maybe just came off
of like spending the day on a boat,
watching over fishermen, go in and they'd be like,
okay, now I need to check this random guy's reptile community.
But that's the literally what they do all around, dude.
That's the literally what they do with mammals
and other shit.
But I get what you're saying, but that doesn't mean.
Who's paying for that?
Conservation money goes into that.
Us dog, we're paying with our tax dollars.
So instead of conservation focus more on.
No, no, no, no.
I'm not saying that, I'm saying that.
It's the same officer thing.
No, no, no.
Use the same officers for both.
But that's the point that I'm trying to make, Chuck.
I'm saying that there should be other people,
there should be a subsection in FWC.
That means more money.
Yeah.
Separated to that corner and taken away from conservation.
No.
I'm not for that.
I'm not for that.
It would have to.
It would have to.
It would have to.
I would be fine with that.
Because we pay them yearly money.
We all, everybody in the community for a class,
our permits and stuff like that,
maybe that should be the funding for that.
Is it that much?
Do you make it right?
I mean, we don't have the data to say that.
Yeah, yeah, we don't.
But that's another thing.
Just me, let's say, it's $50 a year.
I mean, it's not a lot of money.
It's not.
But let's say we made it a little more expensive,
$100 a year, whatever.
I fucking have a business.
You know, I could spend $100 a year
for my fucking permit, right?
And then, you got your class to your permit?
Yeah, so that's me.
You want to get yours.
You want to get yours?
Actually, FWC, you have to email me
about my class to your permit.
Okay.
We all have our fucking permits.
And this is the point that.
It's $200.
Oh, and it's $200 in Georgia, you know?
And.
Yeah, but it depends where the money,
like it's way more than just making this.
I think, no, but what I'm saying is that
we are giving money to this organization for our permits.
So maybe that money gets allocated
for like a subsection in the broader company.
That money is supposed to go to conservation,
not that though.
Okay, but.
No, I get what you're saying.
This is the thing with that.
I'm taking money away from the conservation.
I get what you're saying.
That's what USRQ says,
all conservation is this,
conservation that's my fucking ass, bro.
I feel like these are the two organizations.
You have FWC.
Did you find it?
So like.
Yeah, yeah, I said the two.
FWC are developers.
You fucking idiot.
FWC.
I said the two of the developers.
Right?
Random by developers,
they're the ones running ship, blah blah blah.
USRQ says, hey, they're developers,
they're fucking biased, whatever, whatever.
USRQ.
What is USRQ?
A whole bunch of pet keepers.
All they give a fuck is about animals and activity.
We honest, FWC isn't about conservation.
They're like the cops.
There are other organizations.
Yes, that run through.
That actually do the conservation work.
But they have to run through FWC.
It's what they're the cops.
Yeah, they don't have to,
like FWC directly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
FWC doesn't directly work with the conservation.
They work with the people that do conservation.
So the organizations go through them.
That's what FWC is.
FWC is like a middleman to both groups.
Let's say conservation and pet keeping, whatever.
So two organizations that are biased because they're ran by the people that want to do
their own thing.
So to me, they're the exact same thing.
They're like politics.
Two different sides of the same exact motion.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the truth is usually in the middle.
That's how I see it.
Both are fucking bullshit.
Gotcha.
Or just limited.
Well, but the truth isn't revealed.
We just don't know it yet.
Yeah, but it's usually in the middle.
But man, I will say USR did, their goal was to garner more attention towards them.
Yes.
And they did it.
They did it for sure.
Yo, props on that.
They did it.
Props on that.
Props on that.
So many people.
Yeah, but this is what happens.
This is what happens.
Everybody's on it because it's the talk of the time.
You're getting money right now.
Yeah.
That's going to fall.
Also, hopefully this changes how these animals are euthanized because obviously these animals
were still alive when the both of us admitted.
I think it was an incredible thing.
I think it was an incredible thing.
You got to change that.
You got to change the way we kill rats.
You got to change the motherfuckers that freeze reptiles and put them in freezers.
That's a fucking thing.
No, but this is different because I'm paying tax dollars for them to do that.
Yeah.
For them to euthanize animals inhumane.
My other problem, my other problem with that whole argument is y'all motherfuckers just
Oh, it's a pet.
It's different.
That's a feeder to somebody that's a pet.
I'm not saying that.
I pay FWC.
I paid that guy's wages to kill those animals.
He might as well do it right.
I don't pay anybody else's wages to go ahead and kill animals for me.
Technically, they do that with a lot of animals.
I think it can.
I'm saying this is evidence to say, hey, this needs to kink because that's probably
didn't kill those animals.
Probably, but it's always going to be fucked.
I think in Kenan's video, he had mentioned that how strong reptiles are and how.
The words not coming to me, but he was like saying resilient, that probably a bolt to
the head is not going to kill that animal instantly.
Especially if you get it wrong.
So you're doing that and there's a high probability that that animal is just suffering.
And that doesn't seem the most quote on quote, humane way to do the thing.
I know there isn't people to argue that people just don't care.
They don't care that reticks and burns and blows and dying because they don't care.
No.
That's only the reps on people.
No, but they do that with tons of different animals, the way they do pigs.
But it's not really things.
But people would be an uproar about that if it was posted.
Bro, people do it.
That was public.
It was public.
Yeah.
And people post it.
It's just nobody pointing it out is what it is.
But people post it all the time.
I know a guy right now that I know very well, he raises pigs and he's fucking posts when
he fucking stabs them.
And it's not nice.
No, yeah.
That's the way it's illegal.
Why can people eat pigs?
Yeah, but that's it.
That next row of reptile, that shit feels way more.
It's a word way more.
It should.
But I don't think it does.
What do you mean?
I don't think people care.
No, that's what I'm saying.
I think people will see a pig cow or chicken die and be like yum.
Yeah, but this is the thing.
These are the thing people in their heads say, oh, but this is a pet.
Like that changes the animals experience.
No, of course it does.
It does.
It fucking doesn't.
Like whenever these fucking reptiles stores grab a wrap out of the tail and bats smash
up against the ground.
You're breaking the back.
You're not killing it.
You're not killing it yet.
But they don't care because why?
Because it's a feeder.
It's in your head.
So it's like, oh, yum.
I'm going to get some pigs cows and chickens.
They're like, yeah, that's just a feed.
That's something I eat.
It has to die.
Exactly.
In the form of death, nobody gives a fuck about.
So now you're like, oh, it's a pet.
It has to be different.
Mind you, somebody comes to my house with a bullshit hit.
You ain't killing shit.
Trigger warning.
Trigger warning.
Yeah, somebody's coming to my house.
Somebody's coming to this right now like, oh fuck.
Somebody's coming to my house like you're going to get charges.
I'm going to get some charges.
I did have one.
This goes probably like they came in and they were saying like, oh, the rats for it.
I'm like, oh, let's defeat the snakes.
And like, oh, I can never have a snake.
They eat meat.
And then I'm like, you know, that's all.
Did you just fucking roast these fucking people?
No, okay.
And look, I said, oh my gosh.
I was like, oh, then you must be vegetarian because you know, you eat meat all the time.
There's nothing.
Just say that there's no difference.
You know, it's like they need to eat meat.
You know, it's like, oh, it's not really that horrible an idea, you know.
And then she's like, I don't eat meat.
And then the parent goes, you eat hamburgers.
And she's like, that's not meat.
And then I was like, this is no longer my conversation.
I need to remove myself.
That was a very awkward far ride home.
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If they're going to kill pets, they need to be able to identify them.
Period.
That's 100% part of the job.
It's absurd to say that's not.
It ain't.
I think if you, if you are there to kill an animal, you didn't know what that animal is.
No, but no, again, what they mistaken was in the species, what they did was not listening
to the motherfucker.
Like the expert was in there.
The owner, the owner said, yo, that motherfucker right there is a boa.
It says it, boa.
Yeah.
The problem was, yeah, the problem was, they were in the moment.
Yeah, they were in the moment.
And another thing I will say, a lot of people oversee this shit, but in the video and the
conversation is, goddamn, this sucks.
Nobody talks about that shit when they're like, goddamn, this fucking sucks.
This hurts.
This fucking sucks.
They're so beautiful.
This fucking sucks.
Every time I see the guy's face, I kind of choke because he's just like, yeah, don't
be asking because they know it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hey, no, they fucked up, but nobody talks about like, they didn't want to.
Yeah.
They didn't fucking want me.
I know people that this video was sent to that don't keep reptiles themselves, like
family members and stuff.
And dude, they was hard for them.
Like, I can't watch my dad said it.
I mean, he was like, yo, I just saw a shoot on the news.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I wonder another comment here.
I wonder if there wasn't a personal beef with the FWC officer and the Python owner.
I thought that at first.
Okay.
I thought that at first, but no, he, that motherfucker did not follow through.
That's what it is.
Like the law ended that day.
They're not like, they did, they should have given more time.
That's not how law works.
The law passes and that's law.
You know what I mean?
Like the law, like the president is not going to go like, oh, yo, Pepe over there is not
ready for the law.
He's not ready.
Like we need three more murders.
Hey, what the fuck?
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like there's a deadline that deadline is it.
I'll say to a lot of people were saying about the guy, we got in the grocery.
He's like posing with the snakes.
He's like, he's not posing for a picture.
He has to show that they're dead.
Yeah.
He's like, look, that's evident.
Yeah, almost that.
That photos go to the public.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Recognize Boa or not.
The other snakes could have been moved out of state.
Who cares about a timeline?
Truth is there were of no harm locked in nice enclosures and nice facility.
No excuses.
They should have granted him more time if they had a beef with him.
Now they got a beef with the entire animal community.
No, that's the thing.
Like, they enclosures mind you garbage.
Garbage.
There's garbage.
That's a large ass thing.
Most people should not keep.
Yeah, that's garbage.
But you cannot extend the timeframe.
It is law.
I think it is possible for them to have done so.
If he's constantly contacting them and he actually got them and be like, hey, I need some
more time.
Then they could have been like, you know what?
Sure.
I didn't give a fuck.
That's everybody's fault.
He should have broke.
Yeah.
He should have gone to his office and be like, yo motherfucker.
I need this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because the law does not bend for nobody, bro.
You can't just murder somebody and say like, whoopsie, no, like you can't just go again,
like driving without a driving license and go like, yo, I need one more week.
They're not going to do that.
That's not how all works.
Once law passes, the end, you cannot bend it.
That's just how it works.
No, the law bends.
The law bends.
Look, because you get pulled over and they're like, oh, I'm on my way to get my license.
The officer can say.
That is.
All right.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
All right.
Go ahead.
They can say I'll follow you.
Go ahead.
You can go ahead.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
After everything is already on paper and put it up.
That's the officer impossible.
No, but it can't happen.
Listen, the officer himself can't do that.
No, the officer can't do that.
The officer can't do that.
That's what I'm saying.
They can't.
The court can do that.
No, they cannot.
But for something, Tino, they already know everybody back upstairs knows.
It's not like the officer just showed up there and nobody knows he's there.
You just, let's, let's do it.
All right.
Best comment, best comment on this.
Oops.
Jeez.
But yeah, like law doesn't bend.
I'm sorry, but law doesn't bend.
I'm not saying that they're right.
I'm saying like this motherfucker fucked up and wanted the law to bend for him.
I'm sorry, bud, but if you ask the bend for you, it has to bend for everybody else.
I don't think that he wanted.
I don't think that he wanted to be all sorry.
I don't think he wanted the law to bend for him.
I think that he tried to reach out to resolve some of the things.
Yes, I do think maybe he could have figured out a way to move some of the animals a little
faster, but he tried to be in contact with them.
Bro, the last thing he said is like, yo, you said you were going to get back to me and
you never did motherfucker blow this motherfucker's phone up.
But we don't know.
We outcome.
We don't know if he didn't do that.
We don't know.
We don't know.
We don't know.
Yeah, like it.
Dude, the next comment was from a guy whose name is leper, my messia.
Leper, his first name is leper.
And he's from Norway and he's like, he does how the world can also you.
You're fucking roasting this guy.
That's leaving a comment on our fucking video.
You're a great dude guy.
He thought it was funny.
He's from Norway.
He's from Norway.
He's trying to do us.
I can Norway.
He says that he can.
Norway arc.
Nor arc.
Nor arc.
No arc.
No way arc.
No way.
You guys are so lame right now, dude.
Are you going to the meeting in May?
Let's go.
I'm going to go.
In Norway?
In Norway?
You think I'm going to go to that shit to hear some people?
You're killing my pants.
You need to stop because of them.
It's fun.
I definitely.
It's always some time.
I definitely got a comment at the Atlanta show that was like, you have to go.
You have to take the podcast.
But think about if, if, like, that's it.
Where are you going to put it?
Like, if you get an Airbnb or something.
If somebody, no, somebody said, somebody said they were like, oh, just said, was it you?
They're like, oh, just set it up in the back.
I'm just like calling it play by play.
Oh, shit.
Ronnie Barolo just said this shit.
It's our record.
It's already public.
We just go up to that.
The commission's be like, oh, scoot over.
This is my favorite.
I just must have stayed here.
We're on top next to Ronnie.
Ronnie, your comments.
Ronnie, it's like a UFC post-prom fucking press conference.
No, we go to our chairs.
We pull up another chair.
Oh, Ronnie, this is your exam.
I'm about to start the meeting.
I'm like, hold up, hold up, hold up.
Welcome back to the Ruckling Club.
We're live.
We're live.
We're testing one, two.
Testing, testing, one, two.
I'm looking great, dude.
Oh, fuck.
That's great.
Yeah, I'm going to go.
Look at this look.
Think about it.
Let's say it ends right there.
The Ruck Talk community, done.
I mean, they're not going to end it.
They're going to have some time.
You're just crying.
But let's say a white letter sometimes.
So, Ronnie's going to be able to think, hey, guys, the Ruckling community is over.
It was nice seeing you guys here.
Today was your last day.
We have coffee in the back.
We have a bunch of officers ready to go to your houses.
We got the Ruck Chals with coffee in the back.
Oh, my gosh.
Yo, she's back there signing your coffee bags.
No, but let's say a white list comes out.
They're like, hey, it's a white list.
Wouldn't you want to be there for that moment?
No.
See it all burned down.
You would not.
I would.
It's happening.
I'm the part of it.
Yo, somebody, I forgot what it was a Facebook group.
It's always a Facebook group, right?
They were like, oh, it would cost for them to run like the, I guess, like the assessment
of like species for a white list.
It would be like $10,000 per species.
What do you mean?
Like somebody was saying that like, that's how, like, for them to allocate the funds to
be able to do that kind of research to see if it would have an, each species would have
an environmental like a.
Oh, I mean.
That's like a specific ass number, dude.
That is very specific.
How do you determine an animal won't have an impact in a certain state?
You have to find out how they live and what they are.
I'll tell you now right now.
You put it in the Everglades, you know, you're right.
You're right.
You do actual experiments and you put them outside.
No.
You watch it.
Like with the tag.
A lot of people didn't think takers could go up.
Or Green Aguands is like a gay further up.
Because people are fucking stupid.
That's like pet keepers.
But that's not how they live.
Pet keepers, though.
Green Aguands.
Now, if you have a pet, Chuck is roasting right now.
Pet keepers don't know about the animals themselves.
You're a pet keeper.
You can take the cold everywhere.
They're in Argentina for the fuck of shit.
Argentina.
What do you know about Argentina?
Most people don't know shit.
It's an amazing steak.
It's cold as fuck.
He was there for sure.
It's the first holidays.
It gets cold as fuck where the tag was are.
They have Christmas cards.
Why would they not survive here?
You fucking idiots.
You're fucking idiots.
Because of that amount of mountains.
I figured it out.
Florida's not mountains.
They can't live here.
Oh, yeah.
That's what it is.
They are the peak of the mountain.
Where are they going to dig into the water underground?
Oh, yeah.
There's no way.
There's no way.
There's no way.
With that tag.
And swamps.
They can't live near Crutchfield all around his house.
If the tegu went in the water, it would be legally a caiman lizard.
Oh, my God.
Is that not how it works?
Camin' lizards are water teggers.
Is that not how it works?
That's the definition.
You can find both.
Jeez.
Well, okay.
Give me an example of an animal that could not possibly live in Florida.
Or you're like, absolutely not.
No way.
I can't think of it.
Any invertebrate probably can't.
You know, I'll tell you right now.
I'll tell you right now.
I know.
I know.
I can list five animals right now that can't live in Florida.
Here we go with this bullshit.
Yoshi's ball pythons.
Yoshi's blue-tunk skinks.
Yoshi's all turtles.
Yoshi's gargoyle geckos.
And Yoshi's rhino iguana.
All of those cannot live in Florida.
I found it right on the outside.
Shut up.
Okay.
Yoshi's.
It was only mine.
Yeah.
Trust me, FWC, we got this.
I found the only one that has found a rhino outside.
No.
That's fine.
But Yoshi's cannot live there.
That's right.
Because there's not enough cuddles.
There's not enough pets.
There's not enough hand-feeding videos.
He does that through the racks of everything included in iguana.
Is that a rack?
Well, that's why they can't survive because they only know the rack, which is why I'm
saying racks are good because then the animals don't get trained to be outside.
I figured it out.
I figured out invasive issues.
Keep everything in racks.
What do you think were me to live in?
A racks.
And now where they are everglades.
They figured it out.
Oh, no.
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See, the only way to know is you throw them out there.
That's how you figure out.
Will you live out there?
All right.
We'll take a couple of years.
You can compare where they live and what they eat.
Well, you can't even think of anything.
There's nothing that can not do.
There's thousands of species that live in colder templates.
They cannot go.
Templates.
My studio is falling apart.
My brain is trying.
I'm in it right now.
The sky's down.
Like colder temperatures cannot survive in South Florida, but in North Florida, it's
pretty cold.
So they can probably survive there.
No, right, right.
It depends what habitat.
Of course.
But do you think Florida is so diverse that anything could live here?
Here, we have those things.
We'll throw to the audience.
You guys think it's...
Pressing geckos.
You think dry...
What do you call it?
Like you're a master?
We have tortoises.
We have tortoises.
We have tortoises.
We have tortoises.
No, we do, but like...
They're gonna give us...
Crusted geckos.
Why not?
Because they just need to be in a forested area.
I don't know.
Yeah.
If you can't get in the forest, then they're calling us.
What about other geckos?
How's geckos?
Tote geckos?
They're here.
Hold up.
Do you think the cold is taking off?
You can wear...
It depends where.
Like if you're talking in South, I feel like they probably survived depending on where.
Like they get goes have.
But they get goes can't survive up here.
It's too different.
Yeah, yeah.
Just because it's one state doesn't mean the whole...
No, right, right.
We would...
We would...
We would sustain...
You're gonna be too cold.
If you...
Okay.
Obviously...
But if you got a bunch of breeding pairs, release them in a specifically designated area,
we probably could have a breeding population of Krusty Gecko.
The Ragged Atlas Gecko's in Florida.
I know you're trying to be like, FWC don't take out our animals.
FWC listen, there is no whitelist.
There's no animals that cannot survive in Florida.
That's what we're doing.
Yeah, so banning everything.
Basically.
You know, timestamp, all of that?
No, skid.
Not that all.
I'm trying to think.
Yeah.
I'm trying to think.
Maybe collapse.
No.
I'm gonna go start this.
You think they could survive?
Bro.
Where are they gonna live?
Hold up, hold up, Florida had the largest fucking stuff.
Okay, before it's in the world.
It was four inches.
That's large, right?
Yo, forget people.
Forget people, the habitat.
They lived in the habitat is what I'm trying to say.
They can survive.
No, but people would find them.
People would find the gut laps.
Yes, but they could survive.
People would be like, oh look.
What we're talking about is they can survive.
Okay.
We're not talking about people, affect that they can survive.
You're around.
Huh?
Yes.
Everything can survive.
Yes.
A lot of things.
Not everything, but most things.
Yeah.
Bro, Florida, come on, bro.
I leave a lot of my animals outside at 55 degrees and they could make it.
South Florida does not get cold for that long.
Well, you're right.
I can't go outside.
Hold it for me.
I'm gonna say everything.
You know what?
That might be one.
Maybe, maybe not.
That might be one that can't.
Maybe, maybe not.
It gets too hot.
It gets too hot here.
Bro, if it's this.
I can't live outside.
Blood pipe on Zhen.
Yeah.
I think blood pipe on Zhen is good.
That's what?
Yeah.
Bro, if you go outside and you go to a forest area, you feel it.
You can't survive that long outside in Florida.
We can't.
We can't.
It's too fucking hot.
I can't.
I can't.
We would die.
So, like, these animals know how to get away from the heat.
Yeah.
Like, tortoise says, you know what tortoise is doing?
They dig a burrow.
No, tortoise is like a hot.
No, literally, go for tortoise.
Build a burrow.
Boom, it's cool down there.
That's why you can't see mostly snakes because all that they go in the burrows with them,
they're like, fuck this heat.
They're co-having.
Mm-hmm.
You literally are.
I'm trying really hard.
Four?
For to find us because they can't live in Florida.
No, we're not survived.
That could not survive.
Florida is so diverse.
And it's because...
What are you talking about?
The keys are perfect.
It's like, it'll be a party out there.
Yeah, it's hard because Florida is so big.
And so diverse.
Yeah.
That's the thing flowers are at Snake.
There are no caves.
Yeah, there are.
Underground.
The caves are underground.
No, there's actual caves.
They're above ground caves?
Yes.
I don't know.
I don't know how they exist.
North Florida.
And we're talking about the whole state, that's the thing.
Look, rat snakes are just gonna survive.
Yeah.
They're just out of it.
So are we trying to keep our animals or fuck it not?
We want to tortoise's Egyptians.
Why wouldn't we keep us live here?
Bro, the humidity will kill them like that.
Oh, the Greeks then too.
No.
The Greek tortoises.
It depends on what they callity.
Maybe.
You're around this?
Chuck showing us caves in Florida.
That's cool.
I want to go.
No, that's living there.
Yeah, yeah.
So come on, bro.
Florida has almost everything but mountains.
So no takers.
That is different.
Takers are throughout the whole.
They're not, they don't only live in mountains.
No, all of our cantinos mountains.
No, it's not.
You can ask this guy, he was there.
Yo, did you see a mountain in Argentina?
You want the whole thing.
You want the north to south.
His motherfucking walk from north to south.
It was just like this whole time.
Up and down.
And every time he went up, shit, tegos.
He went down, no tegos.
We went up, tegos.
Right now, no tegos.
That's how it works, man.
Damn, you know what?
He didn't even get to see a single fucking tegos out there.
No, it's not nothing.
That's whack.
You're whacked in.
So how are we feeling then?
How are we feeling like this thing is going to be any like you?
They can win the boa.
They can win the boa, kids.
I think this is going to die down.
Yeah.
They can win the boa, kids.
Like if you're a star, I thought this was going to be the smoking gun to defunding after
we see you.
No, it's not doing anything.
It's not even going to happen.
Do you think that this situation helps what's going to happen here in Maine with the legislation?
No.
No.
Go ahead to opposite.
Really?
Yeah, I think it'll be worse.
Really?
Why?
Yeah, because, so I think, I don't know who was, I think Tyler was telling me, there is
a, after we see did like a post, a story, something saying that they were going to resort
back to their old policies about comments.
And it's like, all right, we're going to start censoring the comments because I, like I said,
there's too many people just being like, dude, what about the boa on their total post?
Did you see what Ron posted?
No.
Ron was like, oh, look at this fucking government agency that's taking off these comments when
we're supposed to have free speech.
That's like, that's crazy.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
I mean, Instagram doesn't have free speech, but yeah, like that's, that's so crazy.
Because of this, after you see, like, yeah, these people are psychotic.
I don't think, I don't think FWC should be able to delete the comments, honestly.
But I don't think they should either.
That's the right.
You can do your comments.
No, they can't.
Is that a political?
Yeah, they can't.
Yeah, I'll pull a distance can't.
Really?
They can't delete comments from the post.
Yeah, I'll pull a distance can't.
Oh, nice.
They have to stay there.
But like, with the, the, the, the private you serve Instagram.
This is, this is where I see the problem.
FWC is not private.
This is where I see the problem.
What you are so like is doing right now is, hey, good job.
Well, in the, in the aspect of solving this problem, kind of, it's like, okay, let's go
after FWC because they're coming after us.
Now, let's say FWC just fixes the problem, right?
Let's say they fire those officers.
Yeah.
And they get what they wanted.
Let's say they stop the, the, the book guns, right?
Let's say they do that.
U.S.
Arc has not addressed the way that they would stop the invasive species.
And that's been the problem from the beginning, right?
Yeah.
So that's not the problem.
That's not the talk anymore.
I want to hear that.
U.S.a, Daniel literally said, I don't want to hear that stuff anymore on modern lives.
And I literally left.
He said, I don't want to hear that stuff anymore.
I'm like, okay, avoid the problem that was from there from the beginning.
Solve this one.
Guess what happens?
You missed out on that one.
Well, I, I kind of disagree a little bit.
U.S.a, it started because of the invasive problem.
The invasive problem means.
You're sort of SL.
SL.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You started because these people were like, hey, there's a lot of invasives.
It's because of the pet keepers.
We're going to do like a slation to take a pet's away.
Your soccer's like, hey, that's government outreach.
You can't, or government overreach.
You cannot take away the pets, whatever, this and the other.
So this is, this is like an instance where the government is taking the pets away, quote,
quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote.
And so that's really what U.S.a beef is about.
It's like, preventing government overwork.
Because then, then part of the argument, one of the videos if you watch is, it's not
a live, it's an actual video.
He's like, yeah, because they found a retake in the wild and it had no chips.
So that might as well be a wild retake.
I'm like, you fucking dumbass.
You fucking idiot.
Yes, they found a fucking retake outside.
And it wasn't coffees.
No, but they found a retake outside.
Where did it come from?
Where did it come from?
It's native.
There you go.
It's native.
Something that somebody did say is that a lot of like these organizations were being
like, oh, let their promoting.
Oh, invade 30 invasive species killed.
You know, when it wasn't that like burns are the invasive ones, but retics aren't invasive.
And then obviously.
Retics were here for a little bit, but no, no populations like that.
But like they are not from here either.
They're not native.
They're just somebody's fucking pet.
And they can be invasive if done, you know.
Done correctly, you were going to say, you were going to say that, dude.
Yeah.
And it's not correctly, if you're evil enough, anyone to do it, you can pull it off.
That's ecological terrorism.
Yep.
Really?
Oh, the fuck?
Yeah.
It's the same as words.
It's something else.
But to me, that is right.
I can do poison or water supply.
It's a really legit.
Yeah.
You know what Tino said the other day?
Tino was having an argument with God knows who because Tino argues with everybody.
Yeah.
And somebody said like a word and Tino's like, no, that's made up.
And I was like, Tino, all words are made up.
Okay, but some words mean things.
But they're all made up.
Most words don't mean anything.
What?
Yeah, like do do do do do do do.
What does that mean?
That's not a word.
It's a bunch of letters put together and I just made it up.
What's the difference between that and any words are used?
Okay, so now use it every day.
I can't know.
See, some words have meaning.
Some don't.
But the word that the person.
Oh my God.
Anyway.
Yeah.
I think it's going to go left.
Yeah, I think that this update was super necessary because with how soon we recorded the
last one, everybody's watching us.
So like they need to know the information.
Everybody is watching us.
It's crazy.
But I mean, do you think anything news going to come out?
Are we going to have to give a fucking part three to this shit?
Probably the part three once after that meeting and all that shit.
Maybe when this lawsuit ends, you know, there's a lot that's coming.
That's it.
Yeah, yeah.
It takes years sometimes.
That's what I'm saying in the process of that, bro.
Also you're suing a government agency.
That's hard.
Also, US arc.
FL come on the podcast.
FWC come on the podcast.
I'll be fired.
Honestly, if you start is going to support coffee.
No, what do you mean support?
Like bro.
You start FL.
We have to clarify that.
Yeah.
Why?
Why?
Because it's two different organizations.
Oh, really?
Share a name.
Yeah.
This is one thing that like just threw me off about it too.
Well, coffee, $250,000 is what he's asking on a go fund me.
Coffee, the reptiles with coffee.
You know what I mean, bro.
I mean, he needs you to 50.
No, you're expensive.
250.
Yeah, I expected for sure.
You're 50 million?
Thousand.
Oh, my God.
Listen, listen, listen, listen.
Yeah, lawyers and shit.
And then you were like Florida, what are they saying?
They reckon like 4 million every reptile show.
No, but they're like, but they're like, yo, we need you need to support us too because
lawyers and we have the best lawyers in the state and.
Yeah, but wait a fucking minute.
Remember that that organization protects the broader reptile community.
They're talking like they're pushing for this.
Okay, but how do you protect the broader community?
If you know their defend the person.
So they literally has an issue that the next person is going to be like, yo, why the fuck
did it you help me?
Yeah, they're organizations to prevent government over.
Hold on.
Isn't you?
Sorry.
I'm pretty sure they had they were talking about already pushing for like the stock.
They would stop killing pets until whatever the fuck is over.
You have to sue for that.
They said they were pushing for that.
So you are getting involved in this, but they're not going to help coffee out.
So coffee is asking for $250,000.
And part of the reason was if emotional damage like we owe you motherfucker, we don't owe
you that.
Emotion.
Yeah, the state owes you that.
But now people have to donate their money to help these teams.
He's getting the money back on the retics.
That's literally what I think it is.
I swear to God.
I swear to God because that's what business people are.
I don't know the guy, but that's what it comes across as.
So I'm like, yeah, fuck that.
My thing is he didn't even he didn't even bother to grandfather the snakes that he
couldn't sell.
I swear we know him.
Give them.
Give them away.
No, because he wanted the money.
Of course, because he spent money on them.
He wants the money back.
He wanted an extension to keep selling.
Yeah.
So I think I think I need to know better the I mean, not that somebody owes me an explanation,
but the timeline of this, because that's the thing that I'm honestly just getting confused
about.
Yeah.
Because it's difficult.
It's confusing.
A lot of legal mumbo combo, a lot of legal evasion, a lot of legal not telling citizen
shit.
I mean, government, you know, something that I've learned about these podcasts, especially
if you watch the podcast is that eventually this arm is just going to be purple from how
hard Chuck hits me.
He's fucking beats my ass, dude.
Whoa, it's your arm, dude.
Stop.
Stop.
You don't want to beat my ass?
Yeah.
All right, we got anything else for this shit?
No.
No.
I'm kind of done talking.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, leave the comments, do the thing, et cetera.
This was the Reptile's with podcast.
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